gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

100% not our schaeffer. "the warden is not your enemy, it wants to help. it has a plan for us"

[finite vine]

ok nvm way different lmao

[drowsy shuttle]

there was one in D1?

[finite vine]

holy shit wow crazy log

[eternal talon]

our schaeffer would go apeshit tearing through its server room

[spice hinge]

this is sus

[drowsy shuttle]

I didn't hear that, that is sus as hell

[main citrus]

when you open the apex door before the boss

[drowsy shuttle]

yeah didnt hear it, must've bugged or something

[finite vine]

I think its also not og schaeffer because he said maybe you think we have talked before...

[eternal talon]

ah. thats why i didnt hear it

[main citrus]

It bugged for me first time, second clear actually played it

[eternal talon]

before schaeffer log was AFTER teleport back

[drowsy shuttle]

that isn't schaeffer though

[finite vine]

I always thought the warden was not the bad guy since like r2, kinda like WICKD in maze runner

[eternal talon]

which again raises questions... where is our schaeffer? he would NEVER tolerate this

alt//r6 is just a bucket of questions and only a couple answers

(granted the answers are huge)

(warden is a collector, allens are called collectors, etc)

[keen mantle]

Could it be that after OG successfully sabotaged WRDN, the warden targeted Schaeffer first thing?

[drowsy shuttle]

that is going to be probably improperly answered in R8 lol

[eternal talon]

as always

[keen mantle]

In Alts

[eternal talon]

in my opinion thats probably why //alt even happened

merge the worldline to undo his progress

[keen mantle]

And then do what exactly?

[drowsy shuttle]

yeah, which would explain whjy he's awake in alt r1 too

[eternal talon]

we dont know. he's probably fine by alt//r1d1 given morse

but we just havent heard from him and henrikkson

[finite vine]

well The Warden is communicating through membranes, so I would think you literally have to disable The Warden in all membranes to fully kill it

[eternal talon]

mhm.

as per the excell sheet log

[finite vine]

yea

[drowsy shuttle]

?

[keen mantle]

That’s probably how the WRDN is using that insane computing power

[loud urchin]

33k line spreadsheet log listing individuals

Many of whom appear multiple times

[eternal talon]

get brain blasted kiddo
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSLHVp3ReG56bunlm1cuCMwLQxtJkINITk1vVMCgGbrJj-Ce6GWc9TpBNlYYmAujwqh4kSGF-pOjdqb/pubhtml

[drowsy shuttle]

haha thanks

[eternal talon]

it seriously takes minutes to load

no joke fuckin' HUUUGE

[keen mantle]

Damn

[keen mantle]

It showed VERY quickly on my pc tho

do u need me to find anything on it?

[eternal talon]

ehh, looks like you got good internet.

[drowsy shuttle]

bruh

[eternal talon]

nah i have a local download

said fuck that first time i loaded it

[keen mantle]

oh ok. I was wondering if you needed me to help you find something

[drowsy shuttle]

I love how most of it is alphebetical order but some of them was just like "alphabet's cringe"

who the hell at 10cc put their life into that for a week

[finite vine]

the conduit says that the virus has become the primary life force in all membranes that they have traveled to... so it seems like the virus is taking over every membrane is comes in contact with. that's crazy. so I guess whoever created The Warden is trying to find a clean membrane to send us humans to.

But why? And didn't NAM-V come from the "egg" that was the meteor from the chixulub impact event? So does whoever created The Warden have anything to do with the virus? Did they bring it to earth? Or was the virus just on some meteor that happened to crash into earth?

[drowsy shuttle]

The egg also had artefacts that could be used to travel to wherever the kraken was so it's something to do with that I guess

[eternal talon]

it certainly came from their ship

the infection first hit two scientists who broke quarantine in the excavated zone, remember?

[broken oriole]

R6D4

R6D4

[harsh pike]

So I just beat r6d1

What the fuck is happening

[coral gorge]

lore wise?

or level wise

[cunning light]

The lore drop is kind of heavy in this one ; I see you guys went down the rabbit hole last night :)

[coral gorge]

yes

very much so

[harsh pike]

lore

[eternal talon]

quite a bit.

warden is an allen confirmed.

allens are called collectors

collectors are talking directly with alt// schaeffer

alt// bishop and dauda are fucking dead

[harsh pike]

dauda too

?

did i miss something

[harsh pike]

i read the log abt bishop teleporting

OH

[eternal talon]

fuckin dead dead

[harsh pike]

how did we miss those

if r8 isn't gonna be an alt how the hell are they gonna tie this together

i haven't played the last two 6X story levels so idk if they clarify if there

[coral gorge]

yeah i feel like R8 is gonna be ALT

[harsh pike]

unless the last story levels have us warping back to the original timeline to line up with r7, how tf

and if it DOES do that, what was the point of alts?

if it doesn't, then r7 is gonna be such a weird outlier

but ALSO if they're ALL alts then they're basically just the new canon! no such thing as alt!

[broken oriole]

R6D4

[coral gorge]

huh

so we have schafer

(i think)

talking to 2 units most likely?

[cunning light]

As I understand it, we (og Woods, Dauda, Bishop and Hackett) moved to the Alt:// version of our reality.
The other characters in this "story line" have therefore a different past and present state as the one we knew

[coral gorge]

question is which schafer is this

[harsh pike]

I really wish the characters would comment on this at all

"We did this before" like anything

[coral gorge]

yeah that is prolly about right

[coral gorge]

i guess HSU memory loss might have kicked in

[harsh pike]

true, but that depends on how much it takes from them

I imagine HSU memory loss isn't everything or they'd be forgetting all their training/experience over and over

[cunning light]

So to me, R7D2 is sort of the "bad ending", where Schaeffer achieved his objective of hijacking Biocom, freeing us from its influence, but dooming humanity.
He had previously killed the Conduit, and did not get to realize what was going on in our world.

[harsh pike]

depends if WRDN had the same goal in original timeline

[cunning light]

Now I have to replay R7E1 and pay more attention to the objective stack

[harsh pike]

i genuinely wonder if they came up with this entire new story just on the fly

or was it planned

[cunning light]

In both case, I find it interesting, although I agree shortcuts have been made :')

[harsh pike]

r7e1 ended on a pretty big cliffhanger that we're probably not gonna see a continuation of

cause alt

[sudden quarry]

I feel like they came up with most of this in og r6, since then the story took a massive turn and it feels like nothing from before really matters

[harsh pike]

maybe, but it kinda feels like they didn't know how to continue from R7E1

[sudden quarry]

maybe

I guess i can see that

[harsh pike]

r8 is gonna be interesting

[solemn kraken]

@finite vine There is one thing tho that does not align. When we tp back in R7E1 glowsticks are still green and not yellow. this would imply we tp'd back to our own timeline. This could also be: lazy devs

[drowsy shuttle]

Another thing that's gonna make R8 interesting is that they have added sleeping sounds for immortals

they didnt have any before

[wary portal]

Why ya call them allen and not alien? :p

[coral gorge]

allen was a placeholder name to distingiush the aliens from any other alien lifeforms

[wary portal]

Oooh

[coral gorge]

now we know they are called collectors tho

so the reign of „allen” is over

[wary portal]

Cant wait till the wiki is updated

Cause i am sure i missed one or two terminals

is it updated ?

[steep breach]

they had, same with dogs

[topaz flare]

i am back for my monthly dose of gtfo lore

whats new?

[loud urchin]

Bishop and Dauda are fucking dead

Other than that eh idk I'm not that invested in the lore

[topaz flare]

diffrent universe?

or our main timeline

[loud urchin]

ALT timeline Frank and abeo

[topaz flare]

ok so main timeline characters are just built diffrent

anything else?

world building wise

or did the whole rundown come down to ALT timeline Bishop and Dauda being dead

[loud urchin]

Uh ALT schaeffer wants to help the warden

Other than that I don't remember much, probably wait until frostty responds with all her knowledge

[topaz flare]

i see

[broken oriole]

R6CX

[coral gorge]

okay so the expedition did happen in ALT too and seems to have had the same results

[broken oriole]

R6CX

[pine agate]

Backwards log

[burnt wren]

So what was that about a corpse somewhere?

In like B?

[coral gorge]

what corpse?

daudas and bishops?

[burnt wren]

Supposedly

Made it to C1, so far haven't seen anything interesting

I think Schaeffer's room got even messier and bloodier in BX, but that's about it.

Ah. Now i see them. Weird shit.

[coral gorge]

in CX their bodies are next to the unit

[burnt wren]

Fascinating.

[topaz flare]

wait so bishop and duada die on CX?

this universe*

[coral gorge]

ALT bishop and dauda

and they die before CX i suppose

[topaz flare]

damn

[crisp citrus]

A few questions
The parasite/alien disease, does it infect everyone? Are some people immune?
How come the player characters seem to be immune to it?
Dauda was a researcher who entered an hsu. How come he seemingly has the brain chip other KSOs have?

Also does the parasite transmit through air or something else

[coral gorge]

okay well

no one is immune to nam-v

a report from global health organisation says there seems to be no natural immunity building up

the player characters arent immune to it

HSU simply freezes the parasite and the virus

or something among those lines

[cunning kayak]

1 yes, the virus infect everyone
2 they are not immune. Hydrostatis kills the virus because it stops the living process
3 idk
4 parasite not transmit through air, virus does

[coral gorge]

daudas HSU somehow got transported to the kovac place with all the hsus

no one knows how

but then the Warden probably somehow put the chip in him

actually i think the virus transmits through basically anything, but i might be wrong here

[cunning kayak]

Air, surface, yes. There was a log about it

[lilac island]

Now that I think about it doesn't Schaeffer get in an Hsu in kds deep and is released by the warden before warden has control of it

[coral gorge]

og schafer gets realesed after R5E1

[lilac island]

Oh ok

[coral gorge]

we then hear og schafer in alt R1D1

hence it seemed odd before, but alt R6 practically cofirmed there are 2 schafers

the og one and alt one

and that there is also an ALT version of our squad

[lilac island]

Makes sense

What I think is interesting is that destination doesn't seem to be changed
Wouldn't that mean that both alt and og timelines can meet there through the use of the matter wave projector

[coral gorge]

that could be a possibility

since it did already feel like destination was in a diffrent dimension

[lilac island]

Yeah

[crisp citrus]

So periodic HSU freezes would clean you of the virus, but HSU also kinda wipes your memory

[lilac island]

I wonder if destination is just an alternate earth which the virus got introduced to much earlier than ours (and alt's)

[coral gorge]

im pretty sure the virus doesnt die, just becomes inactive

[cunning kayak]

I think the team goes back to hsu after every mission?

[coral gorge]

so you would have to go in an HSU very often

[coral gorge]

yes

[crisp citrus]

I feel like it'd have to kill the virus or else the player characters woulda gone sleeper

[cunning kayak]

Because every mission starts when they wake up in hsu before being dropped

[coral gorge]

not necesarily, our characters might not have the parasite

plus i feel like it takes more to kill nam-v

[crisp citrus]

Doesn't it just kill you if you have no parasite

[coral gorge]

yes

[lilac island]

I thought hsus did just essentially make you partially die and then just resuscitate you when you're needed

[crisp citrus]

Didn't it die out without a food supply (animals to live off)

[lilac island]

Like how we have to resuscitate the neonate

[coral gorge]

yes, but when we are in an HSU it has a host to live in, it just doesnt attack the host

[crisp citrus]

Regardless the earth is Doomed

[coral gorge]

yes

in og it had a chance

[lilac island]

Black plague but worse

[coral gorge]

cause there were no sleepers on the surface

in ALT earth is beyond saving

[crisp citrus]

I mean realistically speaking, if someone made a complex underground that was self sufficient they could survive

[cunning kayak]

By the way, I wonder if Dauda and Bishop react somehow when they see alt Dauda and Bishop corpses?

[coral gorge]

good question

[cunning kayak]

Just curious because i haven't beat R6 yet, just started it yesterday

[coral gorge]

but also i feel like they might not realise its their corpses

i havent gotten to CX yet either

But i do wonder if they react at all

[coral gorge]

i suppose so, but they would be condemned to live there forever

Or in case of og, for a very long time

in alt, it would be forever

[lilac island]

Actually though don't hsus practically kill you and preserve your body and just bring you back to life to wake you up I thought that's how they worked

[coral gorge]

yeah i think so

they basically put you in a coma

[lilac island]

That would make sense how we don't die to nam-v

[coral gorge]

yup

[lilac island]

Or get sleeperfied

[coral gorge]

the virus/parasite are either frozen or die

That still does ask the question of how is schafer not nam-v ed

[lilac island]

I don't think hsus freeze

[coral gorge]

well id assume they lower yout body temperature

[lilac island]

They would just be cryostasis units then right

[coral gorge]

yeah

they are smth diffrent

but we know very little on how they work

[lilac island]

An amniotic fluid-esque liquid filling the pod I presume

With some antibiotics or something

[coral gorge]

yeah

we dont know why it causes memory loss tho

[lilac island]

A little bit of rotting Brain never hurt anybody

Probably just not perfect preservation of the body

Hard to preserve a living thing

Indefinitely

[coral gorge]

well youd expect more brain damage then no?

like memory loss seems so little actual brain damage

[lilac island]

In the case of the Mars mission sleeping in the hsus made them all just kill each other

They were presumably asleep in there for a very long time

[coral gorge]

wait did it?

i thought they just frogot how to steer

[lilac island]

That too

Pretty sure I read they all killed each other

[coral gorge]

but if they attacked each other then it would be a Madox case

[crisp citrus]

The only immune

[coral gorge]

where their hsus didnt have the fluid thingy

[crisp citrus]

Nah Schaeffer probably is really good at holding his breath

[coral gorge]

or super lucky

[coral gorge]

yeah

he is winning

[crisp citrus]

Maybe he's got a hazmat on

[lilac island]

The masks could also block nam-v

[coral gorge]

honestly… i feel like its just that

[lilac island]

I guess Schaeffer probably isn't wearing one tho

[coral gorge]

we know there was a quarantine in garganta

so such equipment must be lying around

[coral gorge]

what why

all KSOs seem to wear them

[lilac island]

He wasn't a kso he just got in a pod

To not starve to death

[coral gorge]

He became a kso

he left his squad to die

cause of faulty chip

[lilac island]

Warden dresses us theory

[coral gorge]

he then got haunted by the warden for some time

before getting rid of the chip

[lilac island]

Also the whole thing with him speaking to us over intercoms and our masks not letting audio out into the room

[coral gorge]

uhm

[lilac island]

Unless that's just a gameplay thing cuz we do also hear ksos speaking on audio logs

[coral gorge]

im sure sleepers also just

listen to him

you know

its like a bedtime story for them

=)

[lilac island]

True

[coral gorge]

realistically how audio works on sleepers in this game is one major plot hole

[lilac island]

Maybe there's like a button or something that switches if our voices project outside the mask

In lore

Or were communicating telepathically with our implants

[crisp citrus]

The latest in Bluetooth technology. (Redtooth in alt rundowns)

[eternal talon]

It's not, we have coords pointing to the butterfly nebula, 3k light years away

[cunning kayak]

Speaking of Destination, i wonder why alt version have jungles and a lot of flora, as the log said

Or EF01 and EF04 are different planets?

[eternal talon]

another of many mysteries regarding him.

[eternal talon]

if they arent woken correctly, as per r7a1, their brain melts inside their skulls like what happened to maddox.

you need a very specific chemical cocktail to ensure the waking proccess goes correctly

[harsh pike]

is that why maddox just went berserk?

[eternal talon]

schaeff talks about it in a log before we go get the collection case in b1

[eternal talon]

yes. he is rapidly dying

his cognative functions reducing to paste in seconds as he strangles schaeffer for answers

[eternal talon]

we dont know specifically what happened, but violence amongst the crew is almost certain given maddox' reaction. all we know is earth lost contact and critical systems seemed to have been sabotaged

[eternal talon]

doesn't matter. parasites can eat right through it.

We cannot stop the progress of the virus, and our only defense is SCBA Level A suits when in NAM-V hotspots. Even with this level of protection, the parasites are finding ways in.

these suits are the same kind the CDC and the like use for biological disaster cleanup irl

no kind of unmaintained junk found in a rusty locker in garganta could ever come close

[eternal talon]

Two separate areas please! I don't want to contaminate any samples. This is Dr. Durant. E-F-Zero-One have arrived. We're in a jungle, of sorts. A lot of vegetation, some of which looks familiar, most of which doesn't. I... I don't think this is earth. Amazing. Let me check my notes... so far, no sign of fauna but Ben and Gustavo are searching. This environment is rich and vibrant; it's teeming with life! I'm sure it's only a matter of time before we find animals. We have lost our link to Garganta. No comms, no telemetry, no quantum tether. Our local chronometers are operating at normal speed but the mission clock, which was tethered to Garganta's quantum frequency, hasn't moved since we got here. So either we've lost synchronization, or it broke during the jump, or it's running slow. Very slow. Alice is looking into it, but we may be here a while. We're going to proceed under the assumption of worst-case scenario. We will make a permanent camp, establish a perimeter to defend if necessary, and settle in for the long haul. There's water here. The temperature is hot, but tolerable. We have rations for several weeks if we don't find food but I see fruit bearing trees and with all this water I'm confident we'll find a way. We have left earth.

... wherever they went, it wasn't destination. alpha two was set up on destination's worldline by our own OG durant and his team.. and destination's worldline runs 85x faster, not slower.

we dont know where the hell they ended up

fascinating

[crisp citrus]

does HSU sleep kill parasite/disease or delay it

[cunning kayak]

Oh, i see. Dr. Durant didn't send second message in alt timeline?

[eternal talon]

HSU effectively kills the user, so yes. it is the only way to temporarily stop the virus, but you can't really kill it per-se. once you are infected, it can stay dormant in your system for years as per a CDC log

we are only alive because our constant Hydrostasis between missions is slowing its progress to a crawl. we ARE infected.

schaeffer... he should be dead 110%, but there are already a dozen other things that are plot holes regarding him so i tend to ignore it

like how in OG he broke free of the warden in r4, yet he was trapped in KDS-Deep until OG r5e1. does that mean OG had another alt//alt// schaeffer?

[eternal talon]

this log is the message he sent back to stokes. in OG, they never heard back from him. presumed dead

we dont find him in OG either

for all we know, alt//s worldline durant ended up in fucking xen

https://tenor.com/view/xen-gif-25385148

absouloutely MIA in a place we've never even heard of

[finite vine]

actually hsu kills the virus within your body. after being in hydrostasis for a long time, you are no longer infected. can remember which log but I do remember reading that.

[crisp citrus]

schaeffer is actually an alien that cured the disease, source it came to me in a dream (i have no other idea how he would live)

[eternal talon]

well yeah, it'll starve as i said. hydrostasis isn't cryostasis.

[cunning kayak]

Wait, i remember there was a log with his message saying that the team is in danger and some creatures are attacking them, so they assumed dead (except Bishop who managed to return)

I mean in original timeline

[eternal talon]

iirc isnt that log on destination?

so it didnt make it back to earth?

i know the first one was for certain, on the terminal at alpha two

[eternal talon]

but yeah.

talk about being hunted in caves

[finite vine]

in the end, it does not matter whether schaeffer disabled the warden in that membrane. because the warden is trans-dimensional, it communicates with other instances of itself in other membranes.

[pine agate]

Something tells me R8 will be the two squads and the two Schaeffer's finding each other

[eternal talon]

well alt// squad is mostly dead

rest MIA

same with OG schaeffer and henrikkson, MIA

[pine agate]

Since ALT Schaeffer considers the Warden to be an ally and wants to help it, while OG Schaeffer thinks the warden needs to die in order to be free

[pine agate]

Yeah, I saw that

It's odd that both are dead but we play as them in CX

[eternal talon]

we dont play as them

they are from alt

we are from og. different worldlines

[pine agate]

I mean yeah not them

Wait so we're the OG squad in ALT? How did we get there?

[crisp citrus]

hold up the warden is a multi dimensional entity???

[eternal talon]

r7e1 shinnanigans

unexplained

[harsh pike]

very odd that r7e1 doesn't actually explain any of this

just ends normally

[crisp citrus]

praying r8 makes this all somehow make sense

[eternal talon]

same with schaeffer, we hear him beating in morse a message to us in alt//r1d1

unknown about klaus

[pine agate]

The other option is just multiple dimensions other than the 2 we know

[harsh pike]

i was hoping for r6 to do that lol but it just added more questions

[eternal talon]

it prolly wont. this is GTFO after all

it loves its confusing out-of-the-box narrative

[finite vine]

yes, there was a log with like ~50000 lines that list the warden searching different membranes for people. and it also looked like the warden was communicating with the wardens in other membranes.

[cunning kayak]

No info what happened to alt Woods and Hackett?

[eternal talon]

a collector consciousness that took over biocom.

new information, yes.

at least after five fucking years we know who we work for lmao

[finite vine]

I mean it makes sense, the aliens that created The Warden are trans dimensional beings

[keen mantle]

Well… After our last teleport in R7E1, we “lost” contact with OG Schaeffer

[pine agate]

Also it's interesting that EF01 in the ALT version they arrive to a jungle with lots of plants and life, while OG EF01 arrived to a barren place with no plant life whatsoever

[eternal talon]

completely missing. there IS a blood trail that abruptly stops and a bloody handprint, but nothing else

[crisp citrus]

dude i thought it was just "you are convicts/bad people sent into a complex to do among us style tasks"

now its all "you are from a parallel universe and the warden is a multidimensional entity which is ordering you to work for it, btw the aliens are from a vibrational state beyond us and they also lost to the super disease but now the disease is mixed with parasites also your other selves are dead but you replaced them and the glowsticks revealed this to me"

[harsh pike]

literally

[lilac island]

Looking at the scene again I think the unit attacked alt squad and killed two of them and then Hackett and woods opened fire on it

[eternal talon]

OG they went to destination... ALT//... who the fuck knows. some other worldline out there

[pine agate]

Most likely yeah

Pretty sure there's two different dimensions but meh I don't know at this point

Something tells me both will collide in R8

[lilac island]

That or woods and hackett were thrown into the pit

[eternal talon]

have a read of the for dummies doc in the pins. it doesnt cover alt//r6 stuff yet, but it covers the basics if you are confused

ive been updating it since OG r6

[pine agate]

Also which one has a higher rank in Kovac? Johanson or Piros?

[eternal talon]

that skinny looking pringles can? no way.

[lilac island]

That could be exactly what they thought

[eternal talon]

piros works for anders (johanson). anders is the head of KDS

[eternal talon]

its all sealed up. i freecamed the entire zone.

other than the bloody mess and the additional corpses, unchanged from OGr6ex

[pine agate]

Ah, gotcha

[crisp citrus]

i read it

it explained things but gave up in-doc about the timeline stuff

[eternal talon]

yeah, you can see why. its easier to explain on a case by case basis than in the doc itself

Every different worldline exists in parallel simultaneously. Think of it as a set of waves stacked vertically ontop of eachother. Each one vibrates at a different frequency. Everything in a given worldline vibrates at that same frequency. The MWP tunes the frequency of the individual that used it to the frequency of a different worldline. This is method a. They don't change location, they are just slowly moving frequency until it matches another worldline in the stack.
The allens collectors use this method, in combination with localized teleportation simultaneously
So think of it as a person moving at an angle, both horizontally across space, and vertically across wavelengths

for the purposes of easy explination, wordline = universe

[crisp citrus]

so its like dimensions that are all in the same place, but at different frequencies which the matter wave thing changes for you

why are they called the "allens" and not the aliens

makes sense just seems a bit sudden + silly to introduce this

[eternal talon]

allens was a temporary name for them. we didnt have an official name for them until literally now

they are officially called the collectors

[pine agate]

Kollector wins, Fatality

[clear furnace]

Playing the game now knowing that the Warden is our friend is eye opening

[jaunty widget]

There's a log in C3 (maybe 2?) that mentions a unit reaching out to a quad. Then they all get attacked by sleepers and at the end two of the quad are dead and so is the unit. To me that's much more likely to explain what happened than the unit attacking the quad and taking out two if the.

[clear furnace]

Probably installed as a last ditch attempt to save humanity

[harsh pike]

i wonder if this is why none of the alt rundowns say "prisoners deemed expendable" in any mission description (unless i'm missing one)

because the alt warden actually gives a shit about humans?

or it's all a lie

[jaunty widget]

To be fair at least one implies it's expecting heavy casualties so it's gonna throw more bodies at the mission. To me that says humans are 100% expendable.

[lilac island]

Either way hackett and woods threw by not reviving

[jaunty widget]

Dauda was clearly in a glitched spot where it wouldn't let them get the prompt without falling off.

[pine agate]

Well back in og R6 the entity triggered a scout by accident which forced Schaeffer to hustle out of there.

[jaunty widget]

Right, I'm just saying in ALT it's more likely at least to me that 2 of the dream team died as described in that log than to something that is supposed to be friendly.

[crisp citrus]

was allens due to a log misspelling or something

[eternal talon]

nope

[wintry vector]

So, all the kso's that ran to kds deep and went into hyrdo stasis are still there during game play right? Like in the complex? I know we see reference to other squads but I feel like it's not at all proportional to the amount brought up or witnessed. I know "game play" reasons, but part of me feel like there has to be a reason why warden can't or doesn't just wake them all up and do it faster or better? I understand it wouldn't be as fun for other squads to do our work, and most of the things we are sent to do are dependant on each other. Idk. Just seems like there should be more mention or interaction or info or something about the massive amount of other ksos.

I can't put a finger on it but I feel like there is some interaction with possible limitations the warden has in biocom and the facility that tie in to why the collectors would even care to bring humans over to a clean membrane in the first place.

[crisp citrus]

who knows maybe r8 just has us harassed by the squads

final level of r8 is you vs enemy squads after you manage to mostly escape warden?

[wintry vector]

I mean the warden does need us for a reason, but for me I just keep coming back to that. Why bring us along?

F - tier is just you fighting out of all the sleeping ksos the warden finally has access to bc you helped them. LOL

Feels like a very similar concept to worm. And boy did that one end up "normal"

[wary portal]

@eternal talon lmao

the goal is to leave this dimension "this membrane"

rather then working on a cure

warden is trying to make the humans leave this dimension

so the virus will be trapped in this dimension

thats wardens plan

[wintry vector]

Yeah but if the collectors are some higher lever being and themselves need to be isolated from Nam v, why bother with also taking the humans? Just to lie to get help? The warden already controls them via the chip

[wary portal]

what do you mean

[wintry vector]

I need to find the log but the conduit was talking about bringing the humans to the new membrane, teaching them how to use the mwp ect.

[wary portal]

yee

i got that one open right now

[wintry vector]

Why do that if you could just make the humans get you to safety? Why take them with?

I'm not really getting at anything in particular lol. Just, seems weird to me

[wary portal]

arent they trapped in dimensions with the virus

[rain heron]

might be an attempt to preserve sapient life

[wary portal]

he said this dimension is different for he relies on the humans to help them out to

[wintry vector]

But why would they care? We are like ants to them. Bugs. They did this to other universes, and haven't been attempted to drag those rejects along with them.

[wary portal]

humans need warden as much as warden needs humans

[wintry vector]

True. And that's kinda my beat thought. It's just manipulation for compliance in response to scaffer being able to actually fuck up the warden in our og timeline

[eternal talon]

not since units exist

[wintry vector]

There's that too

I just wouldn't spend time trying to save sugar ants during a house fire. U kno

Might follow them to the exit tho

[rain heron]

if these were the last colony of sugar ants in existence, there'd be a good reason to try

[eternal talon]

also, if the point was the have our worldlines 100% the virus, why not just let it fucking kill us?

take the easy road

[wary portal]

thats his problem

units keep dying

humans > units

[eternal talon]

no????

the only time units have ever died besides the very first one was due to us pesky humans interfering

[wary portal]

wait

[wintry vector]

Ain't no chance giiiiirl. We are technically supposed to leave animals and family memebers behind for our own safety lol. But to be serious the contamination risk too would be real

[eternal talon]

we only know of two deaths and one "failure". first death was to sleepers before it was familair, second was to schaeffer, third didnt technically even die

[wintry vector]

Exactly

[wary portal]

" They managed to produce living specimens, but they were weak and didn't survive"

[eternal talon]

which log sauce?

[wary portal]

basically warden is trying to continue the rise project

[eternal talon]

gimme more than one sentence to read

[wary portal]

Hearsay on. Kovac Defense Services had a cloning program called Rise. They wanted to mass produce soldiers instead of using recruits, and they were getting pretty close. They managed to produce living specimens, but they were weak and didn't survive. I've been trying to figure out why the Warden has had mercenaries gathering resources and samples from the Rise program, but it wasn't clear... until today. I saw something. Someone. It was a human, approximately. It was standing in the middle of a mass of creatures, and they weren't attacking it. The creatures knew it was there, but... pheromones? Temperature? Some kind of... social or behavioral characteristic? I don't know. Then a quad of mercenaries came through a security door and before the creatures attacked them, this human - clone; I think - reached a hand out to them. Then the creatures attacked the mercenaries, and by the time the chaos was over, the clone was dead and so were two of the mercenaries. The clone clearly didn't want to hurt the mercenaries. It was trying to communicate. It was weak and looked like it was dying, but... If I see another one like it, I'm going to try to talk to it. Him. Yes, him. Hearsay off.

[eternal talon]

yeah, rise. thats not warden and his units. they are modified, different.

[wary portal]

what about the last part

wait

[eternal talon]

literally the very next sentence I've been trying to figure out why the Warden has had mercenaries gathering resources and samples from the Rise program, but it wasn't clear... until today.

[wary portal]

yeah but later

it says

the clone was dead and so were two of the mercenaries

from what

creatures didnt attack it

[eternal talon]

before the creatures attacked them

sleepers.

[wary portal]

yes

them

the mercenaries

or....

was the hand reaching out to them signal to attack

actually nvm

[eternal talon]

i dont have time to be your english teacher

[wary portal]

thats stupid

[wary portal]

salty much

[harsh pike]

human enemies in r8 would be an interesting change

[eternal talon]

The creatures knew it was there, but... - sleepers knew clone was there

weren't attacking it. - sleepers weren't attacking clone

Then a quad of mercenaries came through a security door and before the creatures attacked them, - sleepers attacking KSOs

this human - clone; I think - reached a hand out to them. - clone reached out to KSOs

Then the creatures attacked the mercenaries - sleepers attacking KSOs

by the time the chaos was over, the clone was dead and so were two of the mercenaries. The clone clearly didn't want to hurt the mercenaries. - conclusion, KSOs killed clone

[crisp citrus]

it'd have to be done well tbh

[eternal talon]

i dont understand the confusion

[wary portal]

if the rise program is complete that means warden doesnt send anymore squads and doesnt need anymore mercenaries

r5e1

KDS DEEP

[harsh pike]

rise never was finished was it?

i read a log that said the clones never survived long

[wary portal]

we literally gave him more mercenaries

hence the clones are still faulty

[harsh pike]

kinda rude of WDRN to cheat on us

when we do everything successfully

[eternal talon]

It was weak and looked like it was dying thats just how they look

[wintry vector]

Guys

[lilac island]

klas henriksson?

[wintry vector]

What if we are the clones

Hear me out

It's like the movie Moon

That's why we and Schaffer don't die to virus

[wintry vector]

[wary portal]

does biocom interact with clones ?

🤔

[eternal talon]

no. we are different. we already know all of our characters origins prior to becoming KSOs as a part of the legion program. Rise is entirely separate

[wary portal]

yeah i am with this one

why we dont die to the virus must be because we keep getting back to hydrostatis

[wintry vector]

No no you're right. I'm fucking around. You are right about the rise program giving way to effective clones. Which is why I'm like "huh" to the warden taking us with.

Why keep using us and keep us with if we are even more unneeded?

I'm cooking 🍳

[eternal talon]

it wasn't. it was abandoned before it was finished because everyone died. the units still had the mental capacity of children. it was warden who came in, picked up the scraps, and made the units we know today

[wary portal]

what i am implying is if warden is still working on the program

cause i dont think the clones he can produce are the endproduct

[eternal talon]

to be fair warden was still working on it through r7. u23 in r7 grew to adulthood in SECONDS in r7d1. significantly faster than the time gap between ogr3 and u22 in r6

and prior to r7d1 he had us get a more advanced GLP2

before we were using standard GLPs in r3

[wary portal]

where is there a unit in r7 🤔

[eternal talon]

the entire point of r7 is making a unit... like... almost every story level

[lilac island]

it's in R7D1

fucking

[wintry vector]

Warden is probably just using us to produce the clones needed to effectively interact with our dimension and continue to be free of virus and threats in the future. He never means to take along humans, only the perfected "humans" they finished create. Just need us not to go crazy long enough to go the dirty work.

[harsh pike]

doi we see it grow?
I just remember r7d1 putting a power drill to a baby

[lilac island]

you put the mini hsu into a fucking microwave or smthng st the end of D1

[lilac island]

and it grows

[eternal talon]

yes.

you can see it even better with thermals

[lilac island]

theres a vid of that on yt

[eternal talon]

@rocky wraith has pic

[rain heron]

what's interesting is where these piles of clones come from when we spend entire rundowns on lugging babby HSUs around
why does the Warden need the latter if it's capable of the former?
or is this what all those thousands of pickled rent-a-cops in KDS Deep have been expended on? Fetching and growing new clones for the Warden to tinker with?

[eternal talon]

because the former are rejects. stuff from the human-engineered rise project.

warden is cooking something special

[wary portal]

warden needs the perfect specimen

for what ? we dont know

my guess

[eternal talon]

a five star chef wouldn't serve food cooked by a 1 star chef that worked in the building before

[rain heron]

They look rather fresh to be rejects from a project that was run almost a decade ago

[wary portal]

maybe warden wants to upload his concious into the perfect specimen

[eternal talon]

we know enough about it that they are invisible to sleepers. they recognize them as their own

[wintry vector]

Maybe reject in hsus the warden dumped to make room for what is actually needed?

[eternal talon]

and the speed of development helps mass-manufacture

[harsh pike]

maybe the next 'step' for humanity?

[eternal talon]

collectors dont care about humanity, they collect the virus

[wary portal]

my guess is warden wants to know the recepie for how to create these clones so his allen species can live with the virus

[eternal talon]

biowarfare zookeepers.

[harsh pike]

unless i missed something (haven't played 6X levels) why are we helping them?

[eternal talon]

they just happen to be turning our metaphorical house into their next exhibit

[eternal talon]

because warden is one of them, and he has a chip in our necks that force us to comply.

[wary portal]

frostty do you have a guess why he needs the perfect specimen ?

[eternal talon]

we have no say, remember?

[harsh pike]

but schaeffer talks like it's a good thing

at the end of d1

[eternal talon]

beats me. i dont know why it'd care

[rain heron]

then again I recall there was a pile of reasonably fresh bodies in R7C1, I think? The one with the first Snatcher
decay works funny in Gargantia it seems

[eternal talon]

it wants a world without any life aside from the virus. why its developing more humans, AND ones that are resistant to it? seems kinda counter-productive

[wary portal]

still got no clue why they collec the virus

[eternal talon]

do we know if alt//schaeffer broke free like OG schaeffer did?

did he break out in alt//r4?

or was that skipped?

[harsh pike]

I don't recall

[eternal talon]

alt//schaeffer could still be being controlled

[harsh pike]

I want my crazy we-just-trojan'd BIOCOM schaeffer back

[rain heron]

yes he did, his first log mentions having removed the implant

[eternal talon]

then he just seems kinda stupid, or desparate.

[harsh pike]

this sounds insane but is there any actual HARD evidence the world is dead?

[eternal talon]

a hyper-advanced species just stops on by to talk to you AND promises you a way to escape?

[harsh pike]

the logs and shit could've literally been faked by WRDN

[eternal talon]

too good to be true

its probably a trick

[wary portal]

schaeffer confirmed it

[eternal talon]

the collectors themselves contradict themselves while talking to him. it'd be easier to just fuckin kill him than waste time and resources (destroy the mwp after teleport)

[harsh pike]

isn't he operating on the same info as us?

[lilac island]

or maybe it's just all in the head of a mental asylum patient

[wary portal]

yeah which is why i have no idea where he would get that info

[eternal talon]

close to it, but we cant say for certain. only what 10cc chooses to show us

[wary portal]

but he says

"I know you want out and so do I but outside of this place, it's all gone. There is nothing left. A virus... I... I don't know if you even know about that. A virus has wiped out everyone, it's all gone. We're the only ones left alive"

[eternal talon]

he says this like we dont already know it.

he's being fed false-info

[harsh pike]

it would be the biggest fuckin twist if earth was fine/relatively fine

[wary portal]

you mean warden tricking schaefer to help him ?

[eternal talon]

yes

[wary portal]

honestly

i want to know

[eternal talon]

that'd be a lot of planted logs in places the warden wouldn't previously have access to

[lilac island]

warden playing 4d chess in it's head

[wary portal]

how 10 chambers can fit all the lore in 1 rundown

[eternal talon]

also the santonian industries website outside of the game

[wary portal]

there is 1 more rundown

and thats it

i want to know what they have planned

[eternal talon]

they can't. this is gtfo. you should get that by now.

[harsh pike]

r8 isn't going to be alt is it?

[eternal talon]

expect sequel bait ending

[harsh pike]

i'd rather take GTFO 2 than cyber heist

[eternal talon]

we ain't the devs. they work on what they want to and they seem pretty sick of gtfo

given in the previous year the only updates we have gotten are just reintroducing old stuff they've had in the datablock files since literally r7

[wary portal]

expect cliffhanger ending

[harsh pike]

true

but I wouldn't expect them to cliffhanger us then

if they don't wanna make more

[wary portal]

i see two possibilites

[eternal talon]

not the point of a cliffhanger ending

[wary portal]

either its really false info and its going to be cliffhanger ending

[eternal talon]

halo 2 ended on a cliffhanger

[wary portal]

or the infos are true

and it will end with r8

[eternal talon]

if they decide on a gtfo 2, it wont be ANYTIME soon

[rain heron]

having spend a year on reintroducing old rundowns doesn't mean they haven't put effort towards R8

[eternal talon]

and even so very unlikely

[wary portal]

the sad part is i will probably die before gtfo 2 comes out

[eternal talon]

the actual work on alt//rundowns is minor compared to making new ones from scratch

[rain heron]

exactly, ALTs being relatively low effort means a lot of extra time/effort could have gone into R8

[eternal talon]

and i mean even i with zero experience made a custom rundown in only a couple months, and thats solo, with its own mechanics and arsenal of guns

they can do a whole hell of a lot per rundown

they just dont

idk if its lazy manpower or what

[wary portal]

devs just dont care about gtfo

cyberheist has all the prority

apperiantly its just 3 people or so working on gtfo

[eternal talon]

last major engine changes were around the time of r6 afik. since then, very VERY little has changed, if anything

[wary portal]

thats it

[wary portal]

true

[eternal talon]

i know becuse i havent had to make changes to my code to fix anything since then lol

[wary portal]

i dont like the final product i got. i am waiting for r8 before i make that conclusion but i doubt it will do much

6/10

[eternal talon]

personally i dont even play gtfo anymore. i haven't since the early alt rundowns like alt//r1 and alt//r2. i just stick around the for the story

once that ends, its probably it.

excited for frostpunk 2, might move over there

[wary portal]

i am done doing solo missions

[rain heron]

I want to play it but can't get my usual crew together because one guy got utterly broken by R7E1 and refuses to touch the game again

[wary portal]

the only thing i do is helping people complete levels if they really need help

thats it

[rain heron]

(to be fair that was an awful experience)

[wary portal]

i dont really work on my own skills anymore

even beat d2 and c3 with CP but dont care lol

[lilac island]

civil protection?

[eternal talon]

the lore of GTFO has always had such amazing possibilities, though in the end the direction of the story squandered a lot of it by spreading it out too far.

[harsh pike]

there must be some way biocom connects areas through terminals and could plant them though

i.e. how is schaeffer's audio log about getting stuck in KDS deep, on a random terminal in R6?

[wary portal]

do you like where the story is going frosty ?

[eternal talon]

every major rundown has this new crazy complicated thing that doesnt make the story more dense, just more complicated for no benefit

[eternal talon]

no, i honestly hate it.

[wary portal]

same

as soon as i heard the audio in d1

i am like

yeah i am done

[harsh pike]

definitely of the opinion alt rundowns shouldn't be canonically different

[eternal talon]

r6 had me hooked, but the potential since then with the ever-expanding worldlines was troublesome, but i was confident it could go to somewhere good in the end, if not great.

now with the motives of the allens, now collectors... its just bad

nothing says a good story like revolving the entire plot around a species of ancient aliens you've never even met taking away all agency from the players to just hand them a happy ending with zero effort

[harsh pike]

real

if this storys gonna have a happy ending I want it to be the result of the 4 not alien ex machina

[rain heron]

the game has missed the mark with its storytelling when it made our actual playable characters into bland mannequins

[harsh pike]

ALSO REAL

[eternal talon]

like, what the fuck was the point of ANY of the previous rundowns and expeditions if the collectors are just gonna show up and say "oh hey, heres a ticket out"

[harsh pike]

removing so much dialogue, de-characterizing them while simultaneously having them BE important characters

[rain heron]

if they actually reacted to any developments it would be far easier to feel invested into the story

[eternal talon]

itd be different if we did something major to get their attention or ASK for their help, but nothing

they just show up

and dont even talk to us

they talk to fucking ALT schaeffer

[wary portal]

its probably gonna involve like "yo the missions you did resulted in your ticket out. goodbye"

[eternal talon]

not even our original, who woulda rightly killed them on sight

[harsh pike]

i would've loved to see that convo go down with original schaeffer

"We are the collecto-" "WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT" BANG BANG

[eternal talon]

ONE HUNDRED FUCKING PERCENT. schaeffer and the characters in logs we only hear about, not see, are the main characters. we are just bodies hearing about it in the third person

[harsh pike]

if only they didn't cut out 90% of the 4's personalities

from actual gameplay

[eternal talon]

by design

[eternal talon]

is that a fucking rat? it looks like grandma the fucking thing

[harsh pike]

nothing more immersive than hearing an audio log about bishop's false imprisonment and he doesn't say anything, just standing there picking his nose

[rain heron]

such is the tragedy of GTFO
the concept is fantastic but there are just some awful design decisions that make no sense whatsoever, yet the devs stubbornly cling to them in the worst traditions of Overkill

[harsh pike]

literally

[lilac island]

10cc is overkill 2.0

both payday and gtfo are good games but filled with bugs and complicated and crap lore

[harsh pike]

I would bet money the ENTIRETY of alt rundowns is 'cause the devs didn't know how to continue the story after r7e1

[eternal talon]

like literally, all they had to do is keep the collectors mysterious, thirdperson, let us go through their ruins, explore their tomb in the fossil and see their relics. let us use their tech on our own and contact them asking for help. have them send us a method, and have us carry it out. thats it

[rain heron]

I was hoping 10C had the good parts of Overkill

[eternal talon]

i could sit around talking about this rock for hours theorizing. but now that they are actually in the story, talking? there isnt anything to say

[harsh pike]

i remember when I first played this game r7 had me SO invested

the story was actually pretty coherent, fighting back agaInst the warden

now it's like..

[rain heron]

eh
the warden was the mystery driving the story
at some point some answers would have to be given and I'm not surprised that they seem disappointing to many

[harsh pike]

but the alt rundowns are what fucked it for me cause we don't GET answers on the original warden, the original story

It's one big "oh, actually this is your new canon now"

[rain heron]

but I'll have some actual answers for once even if they're lame instead of even more vague vagueness, had enough of that in From games by now

[wary portal]

I dont expect anything for r8 so cant get disappointed

[rain heron]

honestly what I fear the most from R8 is that the ending, whatever it might be, will be a vague 10 second cutscene that barely explains anything and that's it.

[wary portal]

🙃

[wary portal]

I dont expect a cutscene at all

[rain heron]

yeah, that's also possible

[harsh pike]

i know im asking too much but multiple endings based on choices would be interesting

[wary portal]

Just a "expedition complete"

Here is your reskin item

[rain heron]

damn it, where's that stupid ME3 blurb when I need it

[lilac island]

cant wait for the alt r6 completion mask recolors with r8

[wary portal]

Gtfo will only grow from here

[rain heron]

the one with "Commander Shepard has defeated the Reapers, become a legend, blah blah, now expand that legend through DLC"

[cold sphinx]

Based announcing

[harsh pike]

I have done it. I have summarized the entire lore.

[wary portal]

Imma steal that

[harsh pike]

I have a 20c tax per post or my goons will get you

[rain heron]

how tastefully relevant given the engine the game runs on

[harsh pike]

Exactly

[crisp citrus]

Include that og Schaeffer is seemingly immune to the virus

[jaunty widget]

Am I the only one who isn't assuming an alien race who are making a "collection" aren't going to give humanity a happy ending?

[harsh pike]

yeah not much about the whole collection idea seemed very happy for us

but then again, why bother reaching out to schaeffer & us

[jaunty widget]

Based on the info I know of they're trying to complete a collection. They realized they can't because the virus takes over all life in whatever membrane it's present in. That implies they're collecting life in some capacity. So they've resolved to take at least some humans that aren't infected to a clean membrane and break what would be those humans only way back since presumably the collectors could just make another MWP attuned to whatever it needs to be to get back to any membrane they want. Until they start saying stuff like "we're saving you" it seems like to me the best scenario would be humanity becomes free range chickens for some interdimensional zoo.

Well, until they actually set the humans they take free to do whatever they want to do I should say.

[jaunty widget]

Their stuff is busted to some extent otherwise why bother doing anything they've done. They need something from us. It's possible they need someone in our universe to somehow gather uninfected humans (without interacting to infect them obviously) and then do what's necessary to get them the MWP, activate it, and send them wherever.

Essentially they don't want to come to earth because the virus to collect their humans. So they get the humans already there to do the collection for them and then just leave any infected where they are.

[crisp citrus]

Arent the players infected though

And isn't everyone infected

Actually NVM I'm sure some KSOs in HSUs aren't yet

[jaunty widget]

Pretty sure the unit tells Schaeffer only like 95% are infected in the ALT membrane. They also said they were taking some humans to Schaeffer. They never said they were taking him.

Essentially our quad kicks ass and always wins. Maybe the original membrane didn't have enough/any uninfected to have a viable gene pool of humans to collect so they bring the dream team to ALT which does. Also ALT's Schaeffer is actually willing to work with the WRDN which helps. They get him tland us to do whatever they need us to do to get them their uninfected humans and then when we ask if we can come they hit us with the "lol no"

In fact, sending our dream team to ALT because we can get shit done is supported by the fact that ALT's dream team clearly couldn't due to 2/4 being dead in CX

[harsh pike]

but that must mean that the events of r7 must've been whats stopping them (as the alt's team made it through 1-6 until CX) but there's not gonna be an alt r7

err I guess actually they didn't make it through 1-6 then, since we had to?

wtf were they doing?

[eternal talon]

Nonono, they say directly they are collecting the virus, not life

[jaunty widget]

Maybe they got skill issued? Also what was the Warden even having us do in r7? Unless you mean R7 stopped the collectors in which case I'm not sure what you mean since having that membrane's BIOCOM infected with a virus made by an entity openly hostile and mistrusting of the collectors would 100% be a problem for their plans.

[harsh pike]

r7's goal (and to an extent r6) was starting the RISE program back up

[jaunty widget]

It's possible they wanted RISE so they could have a smaller population of humans. If you just clone/lab grow them you don't really need a population that can reproduce.

[harsh pike]

but they're not really humans

I figured WRDN had some other purpose for RISE in the original timeline that idk if we'll get to know

[jaunty widget]

Then it's possible they need it to accomplish their plans.

[jaunty widget]

They say they have a collection and that the virus was planned to be a part of it. They also say they realized it can't because everywhere they take it it takes over all life. Unless their collection is of viruses and they've decided to skip this one because it's too dangerous it's pretty obvious (at least to me and how I'm interpreting it) that the collection is of life forms. That would also make sense why they're obsessed with relocating humans as they would be a part of the collection.

[jaunty widget]

Unless you're meaning this part of the convo?

Conclusion: the Collection cannot be completed. The virus is the primary life force of membranes in which it exists. All will become impure. In this membrane, and all we have traveled.
A clean membrane will be determined. Humans will project, then destroy the Projector. The Collection will be complete.
We collect the virus. The Collection is impure. -- Did you "collect" those creatures? -- Yes. They are the Collection. They are impure.

In which case I'm seeing that as a language barrier the same why I think "matter birthday" is supposed to be "Matter Wave Projector" but words are hard for the unit. They're essentially trying to say We collect(ed) the virus. The Collection became impure. Essentially they used the word "is" when they should have use the word "became". Tenses are the more intracate part of language afaik and are harder to get correct than the rest of a sentence.

Then when asked if they collect the creatures Yes. They are the Collection but They are impure. Essentially implying that by trying to collect the creatures they collected the virus which means the entire collection is borked since the virus takes over all life leaving only itself and the creatures. So the solution to "complete" the collection is to take the humans that don't have the virus => they're collecting life.

[eternal talon]

Planes. Spheres. Phases. Dimensions. Universes. We travel, We collect. Through the membranes. We collect the virus. The Collection is impure.

[jaunty widget]

See my above post, they clearly have an issue communicating. The above could easily be Through the membranes. We collect(ed) the virus. The Collection is now ** impure.**

Which makes a lot more sense then they saying "We collect the virus but now we realized that was dumb af so we're just gonna save humanity now for reasons"

[eternal talon]

they understand english intricately. they are the warden

**Did the Warden make you? Why?

VOICE 2
A biological conduit for humans. This unit will speak for us.

VOICE 1
Us? The Warden?

VOICE 2
No. The Warden is of us. This unit is of us.

VOICE 1
You control the Warden? Who are you?

VOICE 2
We travel. We project. From before, and after, through the membranes.**

[jaunty widget]

You're just assuming they understand and can speak english intricately through something they engineered not all the long ago. Again they literally said "we'll teach you to use the matter birthday" which makes 0 sense. They may understand english well but they clearly have issues speaking it.

The same way I can read Spanish well enough to get by if signs were in Spanish but when I have to speak it I sound like a child

Also in what you just posted the Warden clearly =/= the collectors. Whe nasked if the Warden is "us" they go out of their try to try to make the distinction that they are not the warden. To me they're saying "No, the warden is not us. We made the warden like we made this unit"

[eternal talon]

the warden is of us

[jaunty widget]

Again, language barrier my due

[eternal talon]

also you cant go say they are using very specific wording when they also go matter birthday. if it doesnt fly for me, it doesnt for you

[jaunty widget]

??? them not knowing english well literally supports my claim that they don't know english well enough to say "No, we are not the Warden. We made the Warden and we made this unit." Instead they say "No. The Warden is of us. This unit is of us."

[eternal talon]

of us, a part of us

or??

[jaunty widget]

Then why did they literally just say "no" to a question asking if "they" were the "warden"

[eternal talon]

that was a question

not rhetorical

[jaunty widget]

A defintion of "of" is "indicating an association between two entities, typically one of belonging." The same way surnames in some cultures signaled who the father was such as O'Donald being a form of "OfDonald" telling you that they were the son of Donald. They're not saying the Warden/unit is "one of us" they're trying to say the Warden/Unit are "of" them. They don't know how to phrase "We made these two things but they are not us" so they say "Thing is of us"

[eternal talon]

Who knows. It's a funny thought though. Twiddling their thumbs as different versions of themselves doom guy through their own campaign

[eternal talon]

Fair enough

[topaz flare]

why must the wall of text be so big

i just wanted to know a summery on what tf happend

yet i have to read through 100+ messages xd

[wary portal]

Guys

Alt schaefer

Is femboy schaefer

[lilac island]

BANNED from #gtfo-lore FOREVER

[fluid gyro]

So I started playing in R6, and didn't realize that some of the logs were different in the alt rundowns, then my team beat R6D1 yesterday and heard the vastly different Schaeffer log and I went down the rabbit hole of reading through the dummies summary document, and all of the messages from Alt R6's launch onwards. Can someone help me make sure my understanding of this is all correct?

• R1 through R7 are all the same wavelength/universe, and after R7E1 the Warden sends us into the alt rundowns R1 by unknown means.
• OG Schaffer comes with us to the alts, because we hear his Morse code in R1, and alt schaffer would still be in KDS Deep at that point so it has to be OG. We haven't heard from OG since.
• Alt Schaeffer is pro-warden because he knows the alt surface is full of sleepers at this point and screwed.
• Alt Bishop and Dauda are dead in the alt timeline, but we don't know where alt Hackett and Woods are at.
• The Warden is a collector (formerly allen), who is supposedly trying to save humans from NAM-V by sending us to another clean wavelength/universe, where we'll then destroy the MWP and prevent the virus from following us?

[eternal talon]

1: correct
2: correct
3: technically correct, but it's probably more than that.
4: correct
5: correct.. or at least that's what it seems to be. Could be a trick though since last schaeffer killed the unit on sight.

[cold sphinx]

strange

they could have done anything better with the mimic this time

making it a more advanced version of it self that it killed 2 dudes we saw

[fluid gyro]

Thanks for writing up that dummies doc by the way, it was a really great way to get back into the lore quickly!

Good to know that I'm roughly on the right page, and of course with the GTFO lore there's some mystery or questions with motives and whatnot

[eternal talon]

The skinny Pringles can I doubt could break a chair if you gave it a week and a sledgehammer

[cold sphinx]

no no

i mean if they had made it more evovled and advanced

bold of u to assume thats what im saying to a skinnny goofy ahhh mofo

[eternal talon]

Well we don't know. The one that is dead in alt//cx is the same type/model as in OG

[burnt wren]

Welp, i catched up up to D1

I wasn't wrong when i said this Schaeffer appears to be both smarter and more collected

The original one was basically a maniac

But now... I have no idea what to do with R7

If R8 will just continue this plotline - R7 will be sticking out like a sore thumb

Also Durant's mission might still be alive. Might.

The guy mentioned jungles, but we don't see any during our little jumps. Either they are somewhere else, or... By the time we get there - its already a desert. But why?

[past matrix]

i think r8 will be silly

my biggest gripe with gtfo's story is a lot of it seems off

[solar nova]

This is an alt version of EF01

It's the same wording as the original EF01 log from Durant

[past matrix]

in r6 it's randomly thrown in "oh yeah there's a teleporter to some completely random place thats infested with parasites that killed aliens also there's other dimensions to other realities too"

[solar nova]

So it might indeed be a much younger planet, before it becomes a desert.

[past matrix]

then in r7 we're given imo what is a pretty clear setup for r8 just for the alts to come in and randomly take place in other dimensions and whatnot

[solar nova]

It might also just be a different chain of events that leads to things looking different.

It could also be the difference between going back vs. forward relative to the OG vs. Alt timelines.

[eternal talon]

My only problem with this is that the form of multiverse theory that gtfo uses doesn't account for time travel. It's just different worldlines with the same (or different) events happening at relative times. If alt//Durant went to destination, it wouldn't be the same destination worldline we go to

It would be a different destination wordline that just started later so to say

A delayed big bang or whatever you believe created the universe

[brazen lava]

Where are shaeffers voice lines in the alt version of R6? Felt like that rundowns main theme was us learning about him more

[sonic tapir]

^^

[eternal talon]

It was. But we aren't doing the original r6

Alt// rundowns follow a continuation of the original story

They are bringing back the old gameplay, not the story you missed

[brazen lava]

So my fundamental understanding of lore must be off then (I haven't really looked up much in terms of lore since the original R4)

[brazen lava]

got it, thank you

So is it not canonical or is it an alternate story?

[eternal talon]

There are many logs that are carried over from OG, but many are changed in varying ways from minor to major

[eternal talon]

It is canonical. At the end of r7 our worldline got merged with alt// by the warden as a way to undo schaeffers progress

The schaeffer that talks to us in Alt//r6d1 isn't ours. Much like you can find alt//bishop and dauda dead in alt//r6cx

The whereabouts of our schaeffer is unknown

If you are interested in learning the story, id recommend you read the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel

Alternatively, all of the old logs are archived on the wiki

Though at this point, we are nearing 300 total logs

[ocean lake]

Alt Schaffer: The warden is helping us 👉 👈 🥺
OG Schaffer: WE ARE GETTING OUT OF HERE. INFECT THE MAINFRAME.

[harsh pike]

My meme is spreading

[burnt wren]

To be fair: what choice does he has

He's seen the logs around the facility, just like us.

He's a smart guy in ALT, could crunch the numbers.

Outside is fucked. That's a fact.

This is his best bet besides putting a bullet into his mouth.

Also i think this is getting a little bit meta on the writers' part

When he talks about NAM-V in D1 and asks himself "Do you even know about that?..." - there ARE people who played that level and are just not aware of the lore at all.

The only question is: is Warden lying or actually playing it straight.

[past matrix]

you can???

[ocean lake]

I love whenever writers incorporate lying
so much media makes everyone say and assume the truth

[ocean lake]

who tf said no

[lost drum]

In Rundown 7: subtitles are introduced. ALT://R6: what are the subtitles? I don't know about those.

I'm through D1, I don't fucking understand it yet. But I'll come back here for answers and discussion when I finish the remaining levels with my friends. Hopefully by then you'll have some answers. Thanks to everyone who is interested in lore and discussing it here

[cold sphinx]

Memes jack

The dna of the soul

[harsh pike]

seconded

the log with the creature talking to schaeffer was VERy hard to understand

[eternal talon]

Full transcripts are on the wiki

[lilac island]

there was a log about a unit among sleepers, unit moved it's finger and sleepers attacked ksos and only 2 of them survived the attack

and there's a unit and 2 dead ksos

both in the log and in the unit room

[frank gate]

Hello got back into this game recently team mates mentioned funny log about Americas downfall someone explain so i understand

[coral gorge]

a company found a virus in the place where the meteor that killed the dinosaurs, 2 dumbass scientists broke qurantine and the virus got out

it was super lethal and quickly reached every corner of the world

killing most humans

The american gov hid in a bunker im pretty sure

[leaden olive]

he wants the actual log

[coral gorge]

does he?

[tranquil summit]

He wants the log for the downfall of Amrika to the NAM V

[coral gorge]

well the officia wiki should have it

[frank gate]

can you link it i cant find it please

[coral gorge]

Also that would be several logs im pretty sure

[frank gate]

idk man just most interesting one

[coral gorge]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_3.0_Logs

the fifth log

is quite interesting

[frank gate]

thank u

[coral gorge]

might be what you are looking for

if you want the exact logs @eternal talon can prolly help you more

[leaden olive]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_4.0_Logs#HZW-8JK-LTT

V94-ER1-120

[eternal talon]

No sauce

[lilac island]

it came to me in a vision

[coral gorge]

thats unfortunafe that your local shop run out of sauce

[solemn kraken]

in R6 they were introduced

[abstract shuttle]

So even though we are in the ALT rundowns, we still play as the OG prisoners? But I thought that someone found bishops mask in alt 1. So do we have a third bishop?

[solemn kraken]

Alt bishop

[abstract shuttle]

Unless the mask they found wasn't our bishop

[abstract shuttle]

But alt bishop is dead in R6cx

And he clearly has his mask

So is there an alt alt bishop?

Venom Bishop

[abstract shuttle]

It's probably just an oversight by the devs, but the implications are interesting.

[coral gorge]

i think there was a plausinle theory about it

but it might not still stand due to CX

[plush nest]

I mean they could have just given it back to him

[abstract shuttle]

Alt bishop returned with his mask

I thought it was OG bishops mask, but apparently we play the OG prisoners?

[plush nest]

Then it might be some random bishops mask

Yep we play the og ones

[abstract shuttle]

So that means there was a third bishop

[plush nest]

There is infinite bishops

Infinite time lines infinite things

[abstract shuttle]

Yes, but there was a third confirmed bishop

Which might mean a third Schaffer

And a third set of prisoners if they are still alive

Alt Hackett and Woods are still in universe probably. Since we only found Duada and Bishops corpses

One hell of a multiverse. Infinite yous vs infinite sleepers

[coral gorge]

well yeah it seems like there are near infinite timelines

so its possible a mask of one of the infinite bishops got sent into our timeline by accident

(which honestly i doubt we will see the third bishop)

[burnt wren]

Yeah, don't read too much into this.

[abstract shuttle]

True, but I'm thinking about the other characters potentially making the jump. Maybe that timeline failed since one of the OG prisoners (bishop) passed away on the return trip from EF-01

[burnt wren]

Theres a million of everyone doing same things. Except this new Schaeffer who managed to converse with Conduit. That's a major new development.

[abstract shuttle]

I'm just bouncing fun ideas around

Like I said earlier, it was probably just an oversight

[coral gorge]

or just a way of devs saying - yes there are infinite timelines you will never be able to interact with

[abstract shuttle]

True

If only

Someone should make a GTFO cinematic universe

[coral gorge]

Huh i for a second i was confused why you called destination EF-01 and then i remember that the one scientist dude called it that

funny how it isnt commonly used in lore speech

[abstract shuttle]

I only remember it from those scientist logs.

[coral gorge]

yeah most of the time you see „destination” being used or „Alpha X” if its a named location

[abstract shuttle]

My friend group refers to it as the 'desert'

[coral gorge]

well that is quite fitting

but i wonder if we’ll ever get like a jungle

and have the main enemy be 5 fps

[abstract shuttle]

We got the garden variety rooms

That's probably all we gonna get

[coral gorge]

Probably

same with actual water

we have waterways with puddles

[abstract shuttle]

I can't wait til they add an enemy that you can only fight with glow sticks

[coral gorge]

but we will never get an actual lake and water physics

[coral gorge]

lmao

im keeping glowstick power boosters for a reason

[abstract shuttle]

We need actual sewers

That's be a cool area

Makes sense, gotta send the shit somewhere. Might as well make the prisoners wade thru it to some random objective

[coral gorge]

i mean waterways kinds gave that vibe

some rooms atleast

but id love some sorta „unclock the pipes” objective

where we gotta reach a termi, put a command in and have the whole sector get fucked

[abstract shuttle]

Warden needs to take a dump and the toilets clogged

The sewage level rises to chest height, the sleepers will be impossible to see without a biotracker

[coral gorge]

Conduits be like: warden wtf why did you make our bodies shit themselves

[coral gorge]

that would be pretty cool

even if it was just retextured fog

[abstract shuttle]

Do you think there's a universe where the warden sends the prisoners to do laundry?

Just like mundane tasks that aren't worth the risk

[eternal talon]

There are streams and ponds on several destination tiles with water physics

[eternal talon]

No because we don't do laundry. We don't shower, we don't bathe, and we always come out of hydrostasis wet and gooey because of the amniotic fluid. We probably smell terrible

[abstract shuttle]

Obviously not our laundry, it'd probably be the little shorts for conduit

Or clothes for the warden, if whatever the warden is wears clothes that is.

[coral gorge]

lmao

[coral gorge]

oooh… maybe in R8 then

[abstract shuttle]

R8 gonna drop on April's fools, it's just the prisoners completing household chores in the complex

[coral gorge]

lmao

and then

there will be og and alt schafers yelling at us through intercom to do actually important shit

but we wont care

[abstract shuttle]

"Ignore your objective stack!"

[coral gorge]

”No.”

[crude jacinth]

What year does gtfo take place in?

GTFO proper

[burnt wren]

2060 or something

[eternal talon]

~ late 2060s - early 2070s

[eternal talon]

OG r3 is 2063

[burnt wren]

I wonder whats the last confirmed dated log ignoring Schaeffer

Also wtf happened to UN expedition, not a word from those guys this rundown.

[eternal talon]

2063...

I haven't seen any dated during gameplay since

[eternal talon]

Daylight mission? Or OG WHO team?

[burnt wren]

Daylight

[eternal talon]

Who knows. They might have just gotten all KIA once they broke through the upper level bulkheads

[burnt wren]

Yeah, but I wish we got that on record.

[eternal talon]

Last we heard from them they were recording the activity along the blast tunnels, listening to the winches send our freight lifts up and down

[burnt wren]

Yeah. I think that's our elevator.

They wanted to try to break in into upper levels.

We all know what that entails.

I wonder if their upper level is like ours A

Or even closer to surface?

Probably closer. As are like 300m+

[eternal talon]

A levels are still usually ~300m

Yeah

We start at the top because of the rain during drop down, but we haven't had an expedition that high

[crude plume]

was there 9/11 in gtfo lore

[burnt wren]

Weird question, but most likely.

No writer is ready to deal with consequences of no 9/11

[crude plume]

alright thanks haha

[crude jacinth]

Sam raimi spiderman showed us that universe. It was brighter. Kirsten Dunst was in a rain soaked shirt with no bra. This is what they took from us.

9/11 likely directly led to the events of gtfo as increased funding for the military industrial complex gives rise to Kovack

[burnt wren]

Me thinks PMCs rise either way, but 9/11 definetely would make their services more valuable. Especially with how anal they are about everything.

The shot an engineer for trespassing for God's sake. Poor guy was just doing his job.

[crude jacinth]

Nah he had it coming. Should've stayed within his designated sectors and followed directives from security personnel.

Have you thanked your local KDS operative today?

[burnt wren]

Fairly certain it was the same guy investigating clock time discrepancy.

No wonder that shit went nowhere.

[crude jacinth]

Rules keep us safe. He could have made things worse.

[burnt wren]

I don't remember this but did the previous log implied that he got shot by KSOs? Because this time it says so directly.

A) KSOs are very anal about people being in wrong areas (they almost shot Dauda in ALT).
B) That was direct intervention from Warden. But why?

[eternal talon]

Very good point. Why warden save alt// dauda only to let him die in cx anyway?

[crude jacinth]

Cause it was funny

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-trolling-trolled-troll-wwe-gif-20809728

[abstract shuttle]

My best guess is that something went catastrophically wrong during that fight. Or since the warden has the OG prisoners in the Alt line, one dead Duada isn't something the warden will lose sleep over.

[finite vine]

we still have not figured out what OG bishop did on OG destination for 2 years after EF-01 went to shit.

also, if EF-01 failed in the alt// timeline like in the OG one, we can assume that ALT bishop is either dead, or still on ALT destination, because the membrane the alt// ef01 team went to had a really slow passing of time...

unlike the membrane that the OG EF-01 went to, which had time pass 86x fast. So 1 week in OG Earth time = ~2 years in OG destination time.

So its possible that ALT// bishop is still on ALT// destination, because, i'm not sure of the actual numbers, but it would be something like 2 years ALT Earth time = 1 week ALT Destination time

[lilac island]

isnt alt bishops body found in alt r6cx

as one of the two dead people in alt squad

[coral gorge]

yeah ALT bishop is dead in CX

alongside ALT dauda

and the unit

[lilac island]

Just another soldier

He saved him because that's more manpower

[coral gorge]

did warden really save dauda?

to me it seemed like woods defied the warden to save dauda

[lilac island]

Dunno

[split badger]

Hello guys, I'm interested in learning about the lore (I've seen a bunch of videos for a couple years but not active in the community). I'd love it if someone would hit me up so we could have a conversation about it on vc.

[cold sphinx]

#lore for dummies(check the pinned chat)

[split badger]

This feels like uni again

[coral gorge]

lmao

[lilac island]

I wonder if hydrostasis is restful

Do the prisoners wake up feeling hungover or do they feel like they got a relaxing 12 hours of quality sleep

If it's ceasing all of your functions then it would logically follow that you don't sleep or rest while inside one

But then how do our heroes rest after each mission, are they just sleep deprived as shit the entire time

[eternal talon]

While you are medically dead in hydrostasis, your body is provided nourishment and is repaired by the fluid you are surrounded by while under. You wouldn't feel sleep deprived imo. Honestly, if anything, it'd be like closing your eyes entering and opening them again leaving. Near instantaneous to you.

I doubt you'd even dream or anything either... your just gone while under

[lilac island]

being put under sedatives before surgery was actually the most rejuvenating sleep ive had so if hydrostasis sleep is anything like that then its probably pretty good

and considering were probably pumped full of drugs before missions the prisoners probably wake up feeling pretty good

[lilac island]

Yeah i just mean, is this good enough to be considered restful sleep

if not a little terrified

You go in tired and stressed as shit

With a bunch of wounds

In pain

You close your eyes to sleep

When you open your eyes, are you well rested, or does it feel like nothing has happened

[lilac island]

That was my thinking

[cold sphinx]

Just like cryo sleeping

To the world it has been a long ass time for you? Things was just like 30min-half a day ago

[crisp citrus]

Ur all forgetting that when they get into the HSU they do so in full military gear while heavily armed. I'm sure they're in there with their bulky equipment poking into them uncomfortably

Probably like sleeping for several hours with a pointy rock under you

[pastel ether]

my headcanon is that the backpacks (with all the guns and bullets and such attached to them) are sent up/down in a separate container (like how HSUs etc are sent down with us) - albeit with the whole process of 'picking up your equipment at the start of the mission' omitted from the game because it would get very tedious

[crisp citrus]

No real way to be sure ig unless it's said somewhere and I'm just insane

[abstract shuttle]

I don't think so, a whole lot of expeditions end with hot extracts. I don't think they would have time normally.

[pastel ether]

tbf I'd guess that the backpack gets removed afterwards

[plush nest]

Question for the lore people, who is Art Schaffer was talking about them in r6b2 secondary