gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

the trojan that schaeffer and henrikkson had us install was into a biocom server mainframe, not the warden, so i doubt it would be that as they'd only have as much strength at stopping the warden as biocom does, and as we see in that same room, that's not great. biocom has been trying to delete the warden for years unsuccessfuly.

in regards to the warden, depending on what you believe its origin is, it is highly probable that it made use of some allen technology unknown to us as we can see in the alt//s, warden/insight has knowledge and has catalogued the complex and its staff on other variant earths

[strange grove]

why do you use spear

[burnt wren]

It's comfy

[eternal talon]

usually I use hammer or bat, in this case I really can't tell you. maybe i just felt like it that day

[sudden quarry]

good choice my friend

[burnt wren]

There has to be a better item to hold while taking screenshots

What would be the item that takes least space...

[eternal talon]

the hack tool by 7 on your keyboard

[strange grove]

kids these days can't be bothered to disable hud...

[burnt wren]

Lockmelters... Packs...

[full oar]

no item

[loud urchin]

probably time the screenshot between when you're swapping items so nothing is on your screen

[burnt wren]

Then what has the slowest pull out animation

[loud urchin]

idk, if it was destiny 2 it'd be legend of acrius I think, in this game noone cares

fucking swap speed calculators

[sudden quarry]

destiny 2 shill

👎

[strange grove]

can we keep this chat relevant to gtfo, not other games

[toxic wagon]

GTFO where Gun Lore

[burnt wren]

Don't get me started

[sudden quarry]

why didn't they just mass produce hel shotguns

[burnt wren]

I'm ready to personally write it for them but I don't think they'd accept

[strange grove]

who is them

[toxic wagon]

Kovac security was too busy mass producing Bats

[sudden quarry]

or create a hel assault rifle...

[toxic wagon]

[strange grove]

#general is here

[toxic wagon]

Yes that is general

Doesn't change Bat is a Kovac weapon

Kovac Peacekeeper

[cunning light]

Well, they are the law-enforcement team down there

A bat sounds like a common equipment for such team

[toxic wagon]

It's just. Bat looks like it would be too damaging to just be for law enforcement

[cunning light]

Oh, most definitely

[toxic wagon]

But idk how chaotic it is in lore

[sudden quarry]

thats why they should use the hel shotgun

good stagger

[strange grove]

what about hel autopistol

[cunning light]

SMC might be unkind to its workforce, but the use of firearms would probably be a bit excessive

[merry frost]

Is it a requirement for admins to make their name a describing quality of themselves?

[burnt wren]

You only win by owning it, so...

[sudden quarry]

@vestal delta do i have to dm mod contact or could i just dm u directly ?

[vestal delta]

about what

[mental stump]

Give all the mods banana so we can talk chimp theory seriously for once

[sudden quarry]

this channel

[vestal delta]

dm @ruby lake

[harsh pike]

why doesn't Buckland just put their shotgun chokes on their other models

[mental stump]

The real question is

Why is there a cfoam launcher

There’s no way those yellow blobs were used for construction

[cunning light]

It looks like a decent tool to reinforce concrete / pipe breaches

At least as a temporary solution to avoid leakage or something

[mental stump]

But it’s concrete

[cunning light]

It does not last forever

[mental stump]

Don’t get philosophical on me

How did they create a temporary concrete material

[burnt wren]

It could be used for heat consumption

Wrong words but you get it

[cunning light]

I am not a construction site expert, but my guess would be... Additives ?

[burnt wren]

Foam often used as a heating tool, to seal cracks and what not

[harsh pike]

it's basically the GLOO from Prey

[cunning light]

Components added to the concrete mix to make it less durable, but still keep the other properties

[livid grotto]

[livid grotto]

to whoever who banned RyK from this channel, tyvm

keep him ban please 😊

[eternal talon]

Woah, did he copy your name or something?

Even his discord user is one letter off

[harsh pike]

evil twin

[burnt wren]

I'm fairly certain that's just his alt.

[eternal talon]

Wasn't it said alts were against the rules?

[burnt wren]

It sure does.
But we all know how well people follow "rules" on the internet.

[past matrix]

there were 2 ryk's, always have been

[eternal talon]

Oh hey warden. Long time no see

[burnt wren]

#gtfo-lore message

[eternal talon]

Okay?

If someone doesn't want to be a part of a society that doesn't give them the right to cause chaos. There is a reason anarchy is looked so down upon. Rules give structure, expectations, reliability, and stability.

An empire can last generations.

[past matrix]

gtfo discord mods (they want to ban chimp theory)

[burnt wren]

I agree. But the internet demons don't, they just like to have fun.

[livid grotto]

yeah

that dude is one of those internet demons...

[burnt wren]

And to be fair - this is a niche-ass dedicated chat in a niche-ass game that is barely hanging on for its' dear life. We're like the marianna trench. Why not burn this place down with memes? We have a meaningful conversation like once a week.

[eternal talon]

It's ultimate freedom. In the eyes of a collective, it's freedom from consequence

[burnt wren]

Good news: they now have an entirely dedicated chat just for that. I think? Or did that got nuked too?

I guess it got nuked too.

Big surprise: they didn't actually need an empty room to have fun. They needed someone to pester.

[past matrix]

there was a chimp theory chat???

[burnt wren]

I swear there was

[eternal talon]

For a very VERY short period of time

[burnt wren]

Yep, its dead

[eternal talon]

They lost the privilege and the mods removed it in less than 90 minutes

[past matrix]

1984

[burnt wren]

That's what happens. Violence wins again.

[past matrix]

we need a coup d'etat tbh

[livid grotto]

wise words...

[eternal talon]

Don't negotiate with terrorists. Give an inch they take a mile.

Set specific rules, they will go just outside them to circumvent.

[burnt wren]

Not "violence" violence, more like a provervial "force", but point still stands.

[eternal talon]

Broad outstanding rules, order, and an iron fist is necessary to maintain civility and decency.

The only difference is the ones dealing out that order must have the best interest of their citizens at heart, which sadly 99% of the time isn't the case

[past matrix]

we are being actively oppressed by the violent force that are the GTFO discord mods

[burnt wren]

Eh.

[livid grotto]

frostty, remember when the definition of this channel was ''Serious only discussions about the Lore of the game.''

[burnt wren]

I'm kinda playing both sides here

[past matrix]

its only if we band together and bring chimp theory to full force that we will finally see retribution for our fallen comrades

[livid grotto]

and then they removed the ''serious'' part and everything went to chaos...

[burnt wren]

I can tolerate internet demons, but dear lord they were fucking annoying.

[mental stump]

Don’t make the tattle tale tap the sign again

[burnt wren]

Careful there, Warden

[past matrix]

which is what the workers at santonian should have done

[eternal talon]

Absolutely. They uncaged the lions.

[burnt wren]

We now have a dedicated role that will lock you out of this chat

[livid grotto]

yup...

[harsh pike]

what does NLO stand for

No Lore Occess

[burnt wren]

Either its [N]o [LO]re, or some joke perhaps.
Not Lore Ok...
Not Lore Oriented...

I think it actually might be the latter!

Fits, makes sense, describes the issue perfectly... Fair is fair. I'm keeping that one until further notice.

[modest thicket]

Lore reason for why there are absolutely zero suppressors

I get the balance reason but the lore reason plz

[harsh pike]

so close-quarters it wouldn't help anyways

[modest thicket]

Oh

[harsh pike]

the DMR and double tap are suppressed im pretty sure

[modest thicket]

I forgot

I fucking forgot suppressors still make noise

I’m an idiot

[burnt wren]

Their primary function is also to hide muzzle flash... Which is not an issue when our enemies don't really seem to have functional eyes.

Bringing a crossbow or a bow might be a better solution at that point.

But that's why we have our melees.

[tepid crane]

i feel like subsonic ammo (like arrows) would be pretty ineffective tbh

instead of waking the room with the shot they wake when the sleeper with an arrow in the knee starts screaming

[lilac island]

Chimp

[short gazelle]

Naw, looks more like one of them big fuckin muzzle breaks w/ a shroud.

Which, on a DMR would be preferable to a suppressor tbh.

[harsh pike]

you might be right, the fact it's wrapped in wire or something made me think it was a suppressor

[raw terrace]

the R3 neonate its still connected to the machine of d1 right?

[short gazelle]

Yeah, it's got a heat wrap on it. tbf, I could see them taking inspiration from the square suppressors that are all the rage in game design nowadays, but I believe in-lore it's just a muzzle break

[coral gorge]

kinda late but im pretty sure yes, i dont think we were ever told that it was disconected from it

[willow geyser]

damn they killed the chat

[eternal talon]

Wdym

[loud urchin]

probably the NLO/chimp consequences

[harsh pike]

the lorepocalypse

[mental stump]

Yes that definitely killed interest in here lol

No one wants to risk getting banned #removeNLO

[solar nova]

W8, did MountainMan get muted?

Oh, I see.

Cringe tbh.

[burnt wren]

Nah, its always been like that. If you want memes (especially of primate type) - there's.... Literally every other chat. Including #general

Majority of discussions is talking in circle anyway

"why no silencers"
"why no crossbows"
"can you summarise lore for me real quick"
"why sleepers react to light"
etc etc etc

[cold sphinx]

Who?

[burnt wren]

the funny wall face

[cold sphinx]

No clue

[raw terrace]

people ask for crossbows? havent seen that ever
also people usually once u tell em theres a pinned document ask normal stuff, and lets be real its not easy to see when u enter the server either, specially newer people that just used discord

[cold sphinx]

Do elaborate

[cold sphinx]

Imagine silencers in this game

[solar nova]

He's a prominent free thinker and philsopher on the Discord.

[cold sphinx]

[raw terrace]

vomits

[plush nest]

i like the use of "free thinker"

[burnt wren]

See? Its happening again

[cold sphinx]

Damn he do be doin the thug shaker irl

Aight no more yoking

Fr

[burnt wren]

We will get a lot more traction after 14th

[cold sphinx]

So

[burnt wren]

provided there will be a bomb shell of new logs

[cold sphinx]

Expectations for ALT R6 lore

[burnt wren]

Most imprtantly of course: will Schaeffer's monologues change

[plush nest]

i want to listen to unit 22 and our local crazy man have a nice talk

it seems funny but sad at the same time

[cold sphinx]

Imagine alt being Schaffer sitting having tea with the damn thing

I mean it really could

[burnt wren]

Even more hints / references to multiverse shenanigans.
Different Schaeffer?
Stokes.
Perhaps a conclusion to Mr Truth

[cold sphinx]

Could really be heavy on Mr truth

[burnt wren]

The man was about to kill his wife

Or was at least considering it

[cold sphinx]

Yes

Remember the voice log when he called in a extraction survivor?

It got cut out at the end (i don’t remember that much of it)

Oh yea its KDS deep voice log

[loud urchin]

Put some respect on the grindel

[cold sphinx]

@burnt wren yeah the guy escaped but he said a helicopter was hovering above him for several hours

[burnt wren]

I dont like that log

[cold sphinx]

Call was cut out when mr truth was getting more info

[burnt wren]

Its suffers from that thing where people kinda talk past each other

They're not really having a conversation and nothing of value gets said

[cold sphinx]

But did they actually get assimilated into sleepers?

[cold sphinx]

I mean big whooping info being both Dreyfus and smc was doing something sus

And they were very in doubt determined to not let anything slide

My guess being the guy who called was the last to be caught while the others bought him time to call

[burnt wren]

eh, he appears to have been completely on his own

He also could be the ultimate patient 0, but i doubt it

[cold sphinx]

I mean he could have been split

[burnt wren]

too convinient

[cold sphinx]

From the group while escaping

[cold sphinx]

Also

I see the CONDAM being a report on 2053

About estimates deaths and living ppl in US

And census being 2050 report

3 years for Nam-V to take off a third of the whole US

[burnt wren]

yep, pretty rough

[cold sphinx]

I mean

It ramps up in dangerous ness right?

Constant spawns of monsters and less of us than its more of them every time

[burnt wren]

I dont know

The major cities are always the first to fall in situations like that

Because population density

That third was probably just every major city getting wiped out

[cold sphinx]

Oh wait

[burnt wren]

And so the only thing that gets left are the suburbs

So it actually would just slow down

[cold sphinx]

Was the hydrolik collection case

The thing used to wake up hsus so they dont end up like Maddox?

Kinda weird for hsus to not have those pre installed

[burnt wren]

Warden probably has an automated system for that somewhere

Like a dedicated can opener

Shaff DIY'd it

[cold sphinx]

Likely hood of that being KDS deep only

And others being high maintenanced

@burnt wren wait R6D3

Dr durant was moving with bishops team?

I thought bishop and his team got lost when R6B1 warp gated them away

@eternal talon feed me lore

[burnt wren]

Rather: Bishop was with Durant's team

The assigned KSO security probably

[cold sphinx]

He did mention

Bishop and his team worked like robots

And would not listen

And

The quantum tether

On our mission its broken

But to durant and the warp gate expeditions

They just lost it

[burnt wren]

Shrug

[cold sphinx]

I mean

Weirdly enough

We warped there

And only dowload the nav cordinates

It had nothing to do with the quantum tether and telemetry was a lil hitched off thr sides

But we still was transferred back

I guess tether broke and brought us back

[burnt wren]

I'm afraid to even speculate how it works.

I believe one of the logs did allude to possibility of sabotage, but i'm not sure

Small chance Warden got something to do with all of it, but... No evidence either way.

[cold sphinx]

Really big theory here

But the warden might put that objective stack and took over the pull back protocols maybe

It could had left us but the tethers gonna break anyways

[burnt wren]

Easily a possibility

Especially since there is a log in the R6 as well that pretty much talks about Warden testing his waters

Random KSOs doing random ass shit no one can explain

And one of them directly tells a member of Insight Team to stop...

Assuming it came directly the Warden - he's very invested in that particular project.

My personal guess: Project Insight is doing research into the aliens themselves, perhaps autopsies and other immoral shit like that. Assuming Warden is playing on on aliens' team - the fact that it attempted to interfere... Is rather telling. That was an exceptionally risky one, and it did it anyway.

[harsh pike]

are checkpoints 'canon'?

characters react to using them saying shit like "holy fuck, that was close!" but...how

[raw terrace]

i would doubt, i mean out of context just sounds like they may b talkin of like pats events of the alarm they just did or some sneak or somethin

[plush nest]

Maybe it’s them reacting to them “replaying” the whole level to get to that point

But slediman already sort of implied that

[coral gorge]

other than that, the only implication would be some sorta quantum anomaly thing that sends them back in time... but that wouldnt make much sense

[harsh pike]

the only theory I had is that they're somehow going through a 'simulation' of what's to come and then they get sent back to reality

but it makes no sense how they'd know what things are like past the door

[cold sphinx]

idk

they really seem out of the story

why would you have some time reseting waypoints running around a end of the world story right?

[harsh pike]

no idea

but they have voice lines for it, for some reason

[cold sphinx]

yes

cause you literally die

and then get pull back to life

[solemn kraken]

Ok asking the real questions here: We know the Alts are Alts cause the glowsticks are yellow. Our timeline has green glowsticks. But then in what timeline where we when the glowsticks suddenly were Orange???? I 'm sure there is a secret log out there explaining it

[burnt wren]

Unfortunately not, but if we were to entertain that idea - its probably the reality where Halloween is a world wide most popular religion

[solemn kraken]

Lets call this 3rd timeline the trump timeline for ease

[burnt wren]

Real answer: halloween events are never canon

Unless devs try REAL hard

[solemn kraken]

Well Alts have cemented glowstick Colours as being tied to different timelines

[burnt wren]

Eh, not really

[solemn kraken]

Where my green glowsticks then?

[burnt wren]

If i werent lazy i would go on investigation which light colours is objectively the best for glowsticks to perform their function

Because, imho, green glowsticks are just an aesthetic choice more than anything else

[solemn kraken]

blue

[burnt wren]

Like the reason why all the warning signs are agressive orange is because orange is the most rare colours in nature

So it catches our eyes a lot better than many other colours

Why not just white glowsticks

Or like... Generic flashlights washed out yellow

And why the fuck garganta has so many of them, everywhere

[solemn kraken]

Well I mean nowadays 👀 (sorry easy one)

[burnt wren]

I think someone put the wrong 0 on the glowstick order

[solemn kraken]

Ok Def agree with this

[lilac island]

It's a dig op they throw glowies in the hole before running the lights out there, i imagine

[lost drum]

Why is R2C2 the only level whose name is highlighted in red? Also, it has question marks in its name. The R8 levels are also labeled (probably the names have not been invented yet)

[raw terrace]

it was cause it was very new when it came out, it looks funky like now seein it with all the other rundowns but, when it came out it was somethin very new n stuff so

[loud urchin]

Because its the first error alarm i assume

[raw terrace]

it has also ??? cause, more mistery till u play it

its to build up hype

[clear furnace]

R2C2 is also just a great level

[burnt wren]

No idea. As other say - the best explanation would be the first ever spawn error alarm, but as far as i'm concerned - its no longer a valid excuse for that now that there's a dozen levels far worse.

So either incompetence or some inside developer idea that we're not aware of

[queen gazelle]

It is because the levels was just remade in r2 it was an issue and for new players going through the rundown in order it is a place you expect them to stop at

[raw terrace]

or maybe that it was just like that in the og so they, kept it?

[burnt wren]

Which counts for incompetence since we no longer need that.

There's no reason to keep it that way and singling it out from like 60 levels we have right now.

[raw terrace]

if it wasnt there im, sure people wouldve complained

[burnt wren]

Either there's 0 of them or there should be like 10

But no, its just THAT ONE

And its not even that bad in any sense

Its a mid tier error alarm level, that's it

No unique enemies, no sudden surprises (aside from alarm itself), nothing.

No excuse.

[terse knoll]

Hello, I am interested in this game's lore and what crimes are the prisoners in for?

Seems like death row but with extra steps

[burnt wren]

Well...

[raw terrace]

um, we arent technically prisoners- not at least, all of us

[burnt wren]

Woods killed an entire office of fellow marines for religious reasons

Just walked in with a shotgun and started roleplaying doomguy

Took a dozen bullets before he stopped

[terse knoll]

so deathrow for him

[coral gorge]

bishop blackmailed the CEO of a company that owned thr complex

[burnt wren]

Hackett submitted himself willingly after effectively commiting a war crime on civilians and realising that he feels nothing

Bishop black mailed a high company executive, who erased his existence and then submitted him here as a punishment

[terse knoll]

so 2 mass murderers and 2 blackmailers

[burnt wren]

And finally Dauda... Dauda was actually a scientist in the complex, but he ends up being "the operative" one way or another.

[raw terrace]

we are kinda just resources for the warden, but if we dont die is better for it, not really deathrow

[coral gorge]

Yeah he becomes an operative to save himself

[burnt wren]

Technically we're not even prisoners

[terse knoll]

it's still death row

[raw terrace]

eh

[burnt wren]

We recently got a lore dump that the effect is backwards

[raw terrace]

:3

[terse knoll]

what's Hydrostasis?

[burnt wren]

Basically the company was running a brainwashing experiment where people are turned into basically zombies that follow orders, who are then hooked up to a facility-wide AI that controls them.

[coral gorge]

its kinda like cryosleep from other games

[burnt wren]

They are called KSOs - KOVAC Special Operatives.

[coral gorge]

your body doesnt age

but it has a side effect of breaking your memory

[terse knoll]

but you don't do anything either, they put the operator to sleep 24/7

[burnt wren]

But the AI in question got hacked and is currently under control of another AI... Who, for some reason, started calling KSOs prisoners. Not because it decided it to be so - but because, apparently, KSOs respond to orders better when reffered to that way.

[coral gorge]

artek i dont think you need to lore dump the entire story of the game

[burnt wren]

Eh, potato potatoe

Otherwise i'll be spreading misinformation

[terse knoll]

So how did we get aliens inside of oldest crater on the planet?

[coral gorge]

space asteroid that killed dinosaurs

got buried cause tectonic shifts and such

a company dug it up for some uranium stuff

[lilac island]

asteroid was a giant ship or something

[raw terrace]

[theres also a pinged document with almost all of the lore summarized!]

[coral gorge]

yeah it was prolly a ship

[raw terrace]

u can check that out too

[coral gorge]

but i still call it an asteroid

[terse knoll]

ah so those are more or less lobotomized aliens?

[coral gorge]

not reay

[lilac island]

no

[coral gorge]

the aliens are gone

[terse knoll]

So what is a sleeper then?

[burnt wren]

No confirmation either way

[coral gorge]

they have been taken over by the virus and the parasite

[burnt wren]

We know they existed, we know some things belonged to them.

[coral gorge]

and most sleepers in game are humans

[burnt wren]

There is actually a huge hole in our knowledge right now - Project Insight.

[coral gorge]

or rather were humans

[terse knoll]

so killing them is a mercy

[coral gorge]

most likely

we dont know if their brain still works

[burnt wren]

Its reffered in many a document, but no clear statment on what it is or what it does. But from few hints that we DO have (including Dauda's very own confession) - it appears they got access to living aliens and are performing some kind of experiments on them.

[coral gorge]

how tf did they have living aliens

unless these were sleepers

[lilac island]

well i think its safe to say in the strikers case

[terse knoll]

probably a recent ufo crash?

[burnt wren]

Absolutely not

[terse knoll]

hmmm

[burnt wren]

They were digging that hole for years

[coral gorge]

the aliens are assumed to be dead for ages

[burnt wren]

And we have mentions of "flea demons" as far as Mayan Civilization

[terse knoll]

so how did they get live ones?

[burnt wren]

Whatever is down there been there forever

[lilac island]

just the parasite and virus survived

[coral gorge]

i mean destroying their head doesnt kill them

[burnt wren]

Stasis, time travel... Who knows, anything is possible in the moment.

[lilac island]

probably

[burnt wren]

As a said: the lore is currently unraveling at neck break speeds.

We went from haha some prisoners doing random shit in abandoned facility to multiverse and dimension jumps.

[coral gorge]

and id assume they found living sleepers rather than the actual aliens

[burnt wren]

Also a possibility. Maybe they're infected, but not fully transformed unlike our human counter parts

Actually... That might be the only explanation.

[coral gorge]

maybe they had better resistance

[burnt wren]

we have it on RECORD that sleepers are technically immortal as far as aging goes

[terse knoll]

So we just spear them in the head?

[burnt wren]

So if aliens are infected, but not quite fully mutated... yeah, poor bastards are cursed with ethernity of suffering.

And our beaitufl scientists got their hands on them, because fuck you.

[coral gorge]

while we humans get to have a brain shutdown

good deal tbf

[terse knoll]

so what's up with their heartbeats stopping?

[coral gorge]

we dont know how a sleepers functions

all we know it has atleast one parasite in it

and obv the virus

[burnt wren]

yeah, 0 info on sleeper biology

we only know that they're mutants and what makes them

[terse knoll]

seems that they sleep and heart stops and starts at random

[burnt wren]

the rest is just game mechanics

[coral gorge]

it might not be their heart but rather the parasite

but really we have no info

[burnt wren]

There's an entity reffered to as the Parasite. We never actually seen it as a separate in-game entity, but many a log reffer to them. Perhaps its those parasites that are pulsating, attempting to wake up the mutated host.

But again - pure speculation

[bronze wing]

https://youtu.be/p6Xsp0XfnIY?si=IMex9-NvdUviV5_F

oh i forgot that lore channel allows embeds

[burnt wren]

We don't generally consider that one a reliable source

Roanoke usually hits, but this one was a miss because he basically made his own headcanon in that one. Not to mention how outdated that particular video is now.

[eternal talon]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[bronze wing]

aw

[solemn kraken]

hammer*

[solemn kraken]

that whole vid is basically false info

[eternal talon]

10cc explaining the schaeffer discrepancy in alt//r6:

there are just so many things with schaeffer that make absoloutely zero sense if you read them along the timeline. things happen all out of order and contradict themselves

[burnt wren]

I'm voting for multiple Schaeffers

[eternal talon]

it looks like thats where they are probably going to take it after the banging in alt//r1d1

[cold sphinx]

u made frostty mad

[eternal talon]

the guy went out of his way deleting comments correcting his vid.

its terrible practice and dishonest.

[lost drum]

In R7B1, from Shaeffer's logs, we hear Snatcher grabbing Maddox body, but he was already dead after all. Wouldn't it be nice if he could grab prisoners who were lying down?

[cold sphinx]

who?

[eternal talon]

ehhh, balance wise i can see why they dont in gameplay

[eternal talon]

roanoke

[cold sphinx]

need more lore about him

[eternal talon]

wdym?

[cold sphinx]

idk who is he

[eternal talon]

he's just a generic lore youtuber. he posts breakdown/biology videos on monsters from all kinds of video games and movies

[cold sphinx]

oh

aight

[eternal talon]

its just kind of a pain in the ass because he is a MASSIVE generic lore youtuber

doesn't do good when that kind is spreading misinformation

[cold sphinx]

[eternal talon]

like bricky and his "bomb collars" thing that came out of nowhere he claims as fact

[cold sphinx]

ye

as if we have enough weapons for that

[loud urchin]

there is that funny spreadsheet log in r2b1, though I'm not really sure how much that counts for

[lilac island]

Huh I just noticed that on the gtfo websites prisoner page woods is wearing the same armor as dauda instead of the puffer vest

That and his actual mask instead of the default one unlike all the other ones on that page

[eternal talon]

More alt// changes?

[terse knoll]

How do HSU keep us alive?

we are not seen eating, drinking or sleeping

from one mission to another

[coral gorge]

its some funny liquid

and science

[pine agate]

Water has nutrients

[eternal talon]

It technically doesnt

It's cryostasis-lite

While in hydrostasis, we are medically dead

[terse knoll]

wait, so don't we get hungry?

[eternal talon]

It was first created as a method to transport astronauts to Mars efficiently

So no

[terse knoll]

but there are side effects?

always are

[eternal talon]

Severe and permanent memory loss

Something KSO wasn't aware of before said mission, and something that caused the complete and total failure of that mission

[lilac island]

Just maybe a slight amount of brain damage

[eternal talon]

Said memory loss that became the key ingredient in using hydrostasis to create KSOs

[terse knoll]

I knew it this is death row

[eternal talon]

If you aren't woken with the exact precise chemical cocktail from hydrostasis your brain will literally melt inside your skull, as per Maddox in r6a1

[eternal talon]

No. Most ksos are kidnapped from American prisons, yes, but others are forced in or voluntary.

I recommend reading the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel for more information

[terse knoll]

-suicidal missions
-medically dead between missions
-"Tehnically not on deathrow"

[eternal talon]

"Prisoners" is the name they call themselves.

We are a mind controlled private army fueled by our neutal-chips and constant memory erasure

[terse knoll]

with a worryingly high mortality rate

[eternal talon]

Nobody in charge at KOVAC or even the warden calls us prisonners

[terse knoll]

have we run out of actual soldiers?

[eternal talon]

I REALLY recommend reading the for dummies doc

There ARE no soldiers

The surface is nigh dead

Apocalyptic

[lilac island]

Warden does call us prisoners biocom doesn't tho

[solemn kraken]

everyone is ded

[eternal talon]

can i see a quote for this? maybe i am misremembering.
BIOCOM hasnt been in control for over a decade

[solemn kraken]

we are sent down by a sentient program not even people

[terse knoll]

why? It doesn't seem like we do anything to save mankind

[lilac island]

Schaeffer has an audio log talking about how warden started calling us prisoners in response to ksos calling themselves that

[solemn kraken]

who said its about saving mankind ?

there is nothing to save

[terse knoll]

what's profit if you are dead next week?

[eternal talon]

which is what i mean. we came up with the term

not the warden or biocom or kovac

it isnt official policy

[solemn kraken]

well we don't really have a choice do we ?

[eternal talon]

nope

[lilac island]

Well yeah but warden does call us that now anyway

[terse knoll]

is warden even human?

[eternal talon]

no

it is an artificial intelligence either created by the allens or in secret by KOVAC execs

[terse knoll]

wait, when did Woods kill those marines if the surface is wiped out?

[eternal talon]

that was long long before

[lilac island]

Btw u should maybe change your pfp considering the visible nipples

[eternal talon]

all of our squad (except for dauda) was incorporated into legion before santonian likely even started digging

[terse knoll]

testing

ah done

[eternal talon]

regardless, if you are unfamilair with the timeline of events, that is what the for dummies doc is for. it is an introductory explination with the purpose of not making people read 200+ archived logs

[terse knoll]

so what is keeping the Ksos going?

[eternal talon]

what do you mean? in terms of food/nourishment? motivation?

[terse knoll]

death is almost ensured, humanity is wiped out

[burnt wren]

Oh, morale wise?

[eternal talon]

we simply cannot disobey the warden. physically.

we do what it wants

nothing more nothing less. we are a tool with as little freedom as possible

[burnt wren]

Nothing, really. Just desire to complete the objective stack, as they were brainwashed to do by The Legion program.

[brazen willow]

also what was said above, severe memory loss :>

[eternal talon]

the chip

[eternal talon]

the training

[eternal talon]

the method

[terse knoll]

wait, what are the gas masks for?

[burnt wren]

Technically out of the 4 Woods is the only one who could have his reasons to be here willingly.

[tame goblet]

R7D2 “ignore your objective stack”. We disobey the warden here pretty sure

[burnt wren]

In fact, he seems to be a pro-active agent on that front.

[burnt wren]

That entire level is a giant plot hole, we have no idea what to do with that

[eternal talon]

speculated, but given how deep underground we are and how incompetently designed the life support systems are, its likely to keep dust and airborne particles out of our lungs

[burnt wren]

Our chips were not removed or damage in any way, so what the fuck

[eternal talon]

we were out of range, as per the top of your screen

[terse knoll]

wait, what is an artificial Womb?

it's objective of Crib

[eternal talon]

the biomedical explination for how hydrostasis works

both for us, and for the units under project rise

[burnt wren]

Unless the level implies - with its' very existence - that the Warden's control weakened so much over the course of this entire sharade that our lads can just go "eh, whatever, might as well"

[eternal talon]

(they use smaller modified HSUs)

[terse knoll]

The Warden even approves generous use of prisoners

[eternal talon]

its the same way schaeffer broke free. after his squad got wiped out, he wandered out of range

and did whatever he did

probably the same thing he later does to henrikkson in r7c1

removal of the chip via surgery

[burnt wren]

Yeah, but it took him A LOT of struggle to get there, fighting with foreign ideas inside his own head

[eternal talon]

deus ex machina. i cannot explain due to lack of information on the topic

[burnt wren]

Our lads just quietly went with it, no headache no screaming asking Warden to get out of their heads, nothing

[eternal talon]

we have how he was and how he is now. we are just left to speculate the in-between

[burnt wren]

So yeah, R7D2 is fucking cursed as far as lore goes

[lilac island]

I think it's just that if there's no objectives for us to complete we'll listen to the orders anyone gives us

[burnt wren]

No foreshadowing, no pre-building, it just happens because writers said so.

Which is very fucking lame.

[eternal talon]

to me its pretty simple tbh. just explained away as "out of range"

[eternal talon]

it literally says in the previous level r7c3 schaeffer plans to cut the brakes

on the lift

er

d1?

[brazen willow]

could also theorize about outside "help" by schaeffer and klas

[eternal talon]

i dont remember but he said it

[brazen willow]

is r7d2 that deep? i dont think its that much right?

[eternal talon]

everything outside of like b tier is 1000+ meters down

[terse knoll]

so pointers are: humanity is dead, got a handful of straglers, we are mind washed and do missions cause an AI wants it?

[eternal talon]

garganta goes down thousands

[lilac island]

Like henriksson tries asking Schaeffer what his orders are because his objective stack is empty

[eternal talon]

yepperu

[burnt wren]

Yep

Brainwashed slaves working for an AI that probably doesn't even care about saving humanity and got some other objectives in mind

[eternal talon]

as schaeffer woke him not warden, warden probably didnt know he was up so didnt update the stack. same with schaeffer, figured he was dead, so stopped updating

[terse knoll]

but what killed humanity?

[eternal talon]

nam-v

just read the doc... please

[terse knoll]

on it

[eternal talon]

bioengineered virus by an ancient alien civilization

[burnt wren]

The virus did it. S-tier virus, bio-weapon grade, spreads through everything at once.

[lilac island]

But I'm saying because our objective stack is empty we're just blindly following whoever gives us orders

[eternal talon]

wiped out the entire planet of destination and then earth

[solemn kraken]

we are in lore some kind of rambo team, never died, first tried everything

[lilac island]

That would explain r7d2

[eternal talon]

yee

[eternal talon]

yes

[eternal talon]

thats what im saying. thats EXACTLY how d2 works

[lilac island]

Yea

[terse knoll]

wait, so canonically we never die?

[solemn kraken]

and R7E1

[eternal talon]

nope

[solemn kraken]

yep we superhumans

[burnt wren]

ehhhhhh

[eternal talon]

we do every level, all optionals, first time

[tame goblet]

Where does it say virus was bio engineered? I can’t remember that.

[terse knoll]

those are some unlucky bastards

[burnt wren]

with the multiverse bullshit it could be that we are just the ones that survived

But until then it was canon that we first try everything

[terse knoll]

death might be only way out

[solemn kraken]

we are always the same 4 dudes, we only know of other teams due to R5B4 and R6C3

[eternal talon]

by both a couple of dauda logs and by our own professional, @rocky wraith

[tame goblet]

Ah ty

[eternal talon]

we have quite a few biiig nerds in here

[eternal talon]

also the tutorial where we play as an unknown guy the same class as dauda

(its not dauda because tutorial guy is white)

[eternal talon]

We can assert categorically that both NAM-V and Parasitidae Garganta are extraterrestrial in origin. There is no way of knowing for sure if they evolved in the same location (or even if they evolved at all), but we do know that the environmental conditions for both lifeforms was at least very similar as their structural framework share many features. It is highly likely they have the same origin, wherever that may be.

[terse knoll]

huh, so now we got alternate timelines?

reading the file

[eternal talon]

with the allen's artifact 13, the MWP, we have multiverse travel between worldlines, not timelines

its entirely separate universes.

like how on planet destination, time fundamentally flows faster. the laws of the universe can be different because they are different universes entirely

destination time is 85x faster than our own

[terse knoll]

how don't we wither there?

I think we are not affected

[eternal talon]

It’s not a relativity issue. This is a calculable change in the quantum frequency. Durant’s time was running faster than our time. And not by a little - by a lot. Back of the envelope math is 1 second in our quantum frequency is about 85 seconds in Durant’s quantum frequency. I mean I
[4.4 second silence]
Stokes
I want to scream but I don’t have the energy. There are places that pass through time at a different rate. This is multi-dimensional physics. This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe, or it’s a another universe, or there are multiple versions of this universe and we happened to pick up the trace of a different universe or
[6.7 second silence]

[eternal talon]

because in the way that we shift between worldlines, we also move at the same speed

i explained this better a couple weeks ago... gimme a sec

Every different worldline exists in parallel simultaneously. Think of it as a set of waves stacked vertically ontop of eachother. Each one vibrates at a different frequency. Everything in a given worldline vibrates at that same frequency. The MWP tunes the frequency of the individual that used it to the frequency of a different worldline. This is method a. They don't change location, they are just slowly moving frequency until it matches another worldline in the stack.
The allens use this method, in combination with localized teleportation simultaneously
So think of it as a person moving at an angle, both horizontally across space, and vertically across wavelengths

[terse knoll]

this is Interstellar level of plotline

[eternal talon]

not really... the black hole gargantua was speeding up time in a very realistic way

astronauts experience this RIGHT NOW irl in a very minor way

this is just flipping the table and changing the rules

moving faster to increase speed of relative time (to you) doesnt change anything, its just gravity

destination's worldline is changing fundamentals, irregardless of gravity

[terse knoll]

so in space time goes faster?

[eternal talon]

the same effect would also happen in destination's worldline, just as per that universes' rules, 85x faster

[eternal talon]

in proximity to a large gravitational force

[terse knoll]

like the sun?

[eternal talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation

this is special relativeity, but yes, technically over any mass

but like i said before, destination doesnt do that

it changes the rules

there could be universes out there where time just straight up flows backwards

or gravity as a rule doesnt exist

or.... literally anything

[terse knoll]

My brain hurts

[eternal talon]

and the allens have been to countless of these universes

[eternal talon]

(which is why the doc just skims over it and says to ask me if you want to read deeper into it)

brain blasts arent conductive to introductory learning

[eternal talon]

so just go into it understanding it like this

its teleportation where the location you are teleporting to can get a bit wacky

you could meet another version of yourself if you teleported to an alternate (alt//) earth for example

the planet destination exists in our own worldline

[cunning light]

Unless your alt:// version would have taken the same trip at the same time, to a different alt// earth

[eternal talon]

we teleport to that planet AND to destination's worldline

changing both location, and the quantum frequency

wait, isnt this just rick and morty rules?

[burnt wren]

There is also a log describing that Garganta staff noticed that in one of the zones time kept dilating. To be precise they noticed that for some reason all the clocks in that area kept getting stalled resulting in 230 seconds difference a day

[eternal talon]

we still dont know whats up with that. some weird thing the allens have in their ship, probably

like a magnet affecting things nearby for example

[burnt wren]

Either:
A) that zone was close to teleportation devices and the devices is whats doing that
or
B) That zone is very deep and close to... Whatever is down there.

[keen mantle]

That’s what it sounds like lol

[normal abyss]

@queen gazelle we are safe here

our discussion can continue

[queen gazelle]

No they wouldn’t like the style guide convo

[normal abyss]

lol

[coral gorge]

Im afraid we dont have lore on style

[normal abyss]

what about lore style, does shauffer have style ?

[queen gazelle]

No he is a abusive bf to Henderson and that isn’t stylish

[terse knoll]

why don't we have suppressors?

[coral gorge]

Lore reason? I dunno we dont have any in stock

[cunning light]

Suppressors would not help that much, when enemies can hear your footsteps 5 meters away

[coral gorge]

gameplay reason? Too op

[finite vine]

the larger the gravitational field you are within, the slower time passes for you relatively.

same with speed, the closer you approach the speed of light, the slower time passes relative to you.

the passage of time does not change for the observer, it just slows down for you. you travel through time slower than they do

[cunning light]

Indeed. The article Frosty mentioned earlier takes note of experiences where clocks ran faster when they were sent into Earth's upper atmosphere than on ground level

Basically, the further away you are from a strong gravitational force, the faster time runs for you

[queen gazelle]

isnt it the other way around? you travel faster through time relative to everyone else ? like 1 year for you is 100 years for everyone else

[finite vine]

yes, 1 year for you is 100 for everyone else, because everyone elses time is passing faster relative to you

[queen gazelle]

WERID way of think about it

[finite vine]

yep, within large gravitational fields, time slows

and at high velocities as well

and I think what the devs are getting at with the MWP and the alternate dimensions, the "quantum frequency" is just a parameter that determines how fast time passes normally in the dimensions.

and when the MWP switches you to these frequencies and transports you to these alternate dimensions, time passes differently relative to the main dimension

[cunning light]

They could have introduced the idea of "your reality vibrates at X frequency, therefore time passes at Y(X) speed" indeed

[red oasis]

Where my favorite gatekeeper

[lilac island]

I think it's safe to say they're keeping us safe from the majority of the nam-v virus in garganta

Considering how we're not dead

[crude jacinth]

Beating the last r2 level and knowing I still have 5 or 6 more rundowns to enjoy and get lore from is a good feeling

I feel bad for you guys that have been in it since day 1 😏

[hushed jetty]

I too hate getting 700 hours of enjoyment out of a game

[lilac island]

The og rundown are still kinda part of the lore I think

Not as important though

[burnt wren]

Yeah, basically.

[finite vine]

I think were not dead because hydrostasis kills NAM-V

[burnt wren]

All the old logs safely transfered to alt rundowns with minor changes / improvements, and new logs were added as well.

So you get a superior lore product either way.

[finite vine]

dont ask me how schaeffer is not dead though. makes me think he is immune to NAM-V or something like that.

[lilac island]

Minor plothole alert 🚨

Actually I guess we don't even really know if nam-v is all over the complex

Aside from the stuff that infects you

Which we don't know if that even is nam-v

Doesn't give you rabies symptoms

[crude jacinth]

is nam-v going to kill us though? I assume that's what infection is related to. but we dont seem to die from it

unlike 99.998% of humanity

[raw terrace]

infections not nam-v
nam-v gets eliminated with the HSUs

[crude jacinth]

well schaeffer took a nice long hsu nap anyway so homie's fine

what the hell is infection then?

sleeper poop?

[lilac island]

They got that goblin gas in the complex

[toxic wagon]

was there any lore on artifacts?

[raw terrace]

think artifacts were allen stuff that was found in the place where nam v was, they r incredibly tough and cant be destroyed in any way

thats kinda what i remember

[spice hinge]

Oh no, I've been cited 😱

[lilac island]

By putting it on a scale duh

[eternal talon]

what does woodworking have to do with gtfo?

like, at all, let alone lore

this is #general material

[lilac island]

theres trees in the garden

[eternal talon]

its the gardens, not a forestry tileset

this ain't Schaeffer n' co Lumber

[normal abyss]

Bros angry

Take a joke my dude

[cold sphinx]

last time i saw a joke like that this place was heated af

[normal abyss]

Careful warpgate that’s off topic, you’ll get reported!!!

[cold sphinx]

oh no

can we talk in dms bread?

[normal abyss]

No

[cold sphinx]

why

aight back to lores

sooooo

tanks

[normal abyss]

So are there two shauffers or 1

[cunning light]

Now, one on topic (for a change) : What do you expect from the new lore in Alt://R6 ?

[cold sphinx]

having more context to why they started on the warpgates

like

did they wanted to know whats out there

[cunning light]

Understandable, this is quite left behind

[cold sphinx]

and where did they even get the nav cordinates for such a warp to be pulled off

[cunning light]

We know they discovered the Artifacts and noticed people disappearing but suddenly "we create a warp gate"

Is slightly too fast

[cold sphinx]

asuming they took it from scratch or they did from the aliens

i mean

they could use alien tech to do that

[cunning light]

Well, that is what they do

With the MWP

[cold sphinx]

we arent slow to learn and recreate things

[cunning light]

Just plugged some way to interface it with our own infrastructure and equipment

[cold sphinx]

that would be so hard

but doable

because we have to make it suitable to us in alot of ways

being: how to operate, does it accept human or cargo as a transport

or will it malfunction and cause other worldly chaos such as the tether break

i mean

1 mission of just grabbing the damn thing and then get pushed off into another world is really pushin it fast

gameplay and story wise

[cunning light]

Thing is we do not know how time passes between each expedition

[cold sphinx]

shortest one we know by far

is between R1-R3

after is unkown

[cunning light]

Hell, Bishop is sent to Alpha-something BEFORE we are sent there

[cold sphinx]

warped to set up alpha 2 (may be alpha 2 or idr)

[cunning light]

I would like to learn more about that time-thing that was talked about here a couple days ago

[cold sphinx]

dw

im sure well get context

when ALT comes around the week

[cunning light]

eventually

[cold sphinx]

its not long now

im definetly gonna go on those missions for 8hrs

too get every logs/different stuff from OG

[cunning light]

hf with that

[cold sphinx]

gonna gather my team and speedrun ALT R6 in 1 day

gonna be rough on R6D3

[cunning light]

The thing is, when you press your teamates to speerun, while you are looking for every terminal, it can be confusing :D

[cold sphinx]

no

after that

i want braggin rights

[cunning light]

ok, happy lore hunt to you. I will likely be like (unless I can convince my boss to let me play on Thursday afternoon)

[queen gazelle]

There is an infinite number we just exist on a single world line

[cunning light]

Did we, as players, shift from playing the characters of one universe (in OG) to their copies from another universe (in Alt://) ?

Or did the universe itself change in between ?

Or did we change IRL ?

[queen gazelle]

Pablo the immoral was a very naughty boy who tangled up the time lines

[cunning light]

How very immoral of him indeed

I guess we will find out in the next episode

[queen gazelle]

I can’t wait till we find out this is a cycle

[cunning light]

Might feel like one when you are playing R4E1 duo over and over again

[sudden quarry]

whats so wrong with that 🤨

[normal abyss]

Guys pablo is shuauffer in disguise

And hendrikkckson is shaffers brother

i have proof

[queen gazelle]

honestly that would be a sick as fuck twist shaffer being like a monstrosity and this checks out. pablo can only tounge two people at once when he has 3 heads this is because on is shaufer and one is henikson. the last is madox who when insant when they were abosrbed

then they chase us because shaffer or pablo in this case pablo shaffer is looking for more head

[normal abyss]

EXACTLY

[spice hinge]

If he ended up being some Lovecraftian abomination that's actually intelligent and capable of total communication like he's shown, that'd be out of left field for sure. It'd also change to tone of the game upon discovering.

[queen gazelle]

tbh the goofy time travel thing

is also a pretty crazy change in tone

[spice hinge]

Yeah it was for sure. If the game went into "terror from beyond the cosmos" and started talking about something bigger than Nam-V it'd be nutty.

[lilac island]

R8 is a lie

[plush nest]

That’s the only way I can see it going in my opinion, just a never ending loop that we can never escape

[harsh pike]

idk why but I feel like this game won't have the grimmest ending possible

[plush nest]

Gonna be one of those things were we get to the end of r8 and then wake back up in our hsu sort of deal

[harsh pike]

that would be such a bad cop-out imo

[plush nest]

I don’t really see another way, because the whole world is gone basically. And the chance that they find a solution is slim to none and this point

[harsh pike]

with the whole infinite-universes can of worms there's definitely a way

even if it's literally teleporting the crew + schaeffer and henny to a universe where nam-v never broke out

I dunno I just feel like all our effort has to be for something

[burnt wren]

I have a far stretched theory that we might sacrifice ourselves for the aliens. Humanity's done without some deus ex machina happening.
So that leaves us with our 2nd best bet: aliens. We know they're here. We have Dauda pretty much confirming that they are alive in one way or another.
Either we will end up freeing them and letting them go on instead of humanity, or perhaps we will grant them a merciful death and call it a day.

[harsh pike]

I couldn't see the 4 doing that, especially considering how little they know

[plush nest]

I could be wrong or misunderstanding things, but isn’t the warden sort of in control of how that works

[harsh pike]

after r7 it's debatable

I don't really know, I hope they explain it more with alt r6

if we're going back to the original timeline to 'line up' with r7 or what

[plush nest]

I guess that have to make everything connect somehow even just between the rundowns

[harsh pike]

my theory is that at some point in alt r6 we're going to go back to the original timeline so it lines up with r7 again

idk they've made a very confusing decision making alts canon

[plush nest]

I thought they were?

[harsh pike]

they are canon yes

[plush nest]

Unless r7 is like the origin

[plush nest]

Like 0,0 sort of deal

I dont know if what I said makes sense

[lilac island]

spoiler but they do take him down in r7

[plush nest]

Don’t they just take biocom down not the warden itself ?

Because doesn’t the warden use biocom to give us orders basically?

[lilac island]

well no they can’t take down biocom

because schaeffer controls the prisoners now

[plush nest]

So he controls biocom then right?

[lilac island]

yeah

so they had to take down the warden

[plush nest]

So the warden is very much still fine

[lilac island]

they used a trojan in biocom

[lilac island]

lemme see

[plush nest]

I could just be completely misremembering r7d2

[lilac island]

yeah they kinda do take down biocom and not the warden

[plush nest]

I just know that the main room at the end is the biocom server basically

[lilac island]

the fandom explains it kinda terribly

but they take down the warden’s “network”

[plush nest]

Yep so they just can’t talk to us basically

[lilac island]

yeah

[lost drum]

https://youtu.be/r-y_N-3t7tI?si=azXQQqX1LyVUfAaf

About the tentacle at the end. A lot of people think it's some kind of unreleased enemy and hope to see it next. But it's just a handmade attack from a regular giant. If you watch in slow motion the giant's attack around the corner, it's almost exactly the same as in the trailer. The only difference is that in the trailer this attack was drawn (wasn't part of the game)

Am I wrong?

[burnt wren]

Shrug.

The worm seems different from what usually bites us.

[cunning light]

Could have been "enhanced" by post-prod or even pre-rendered animation (instead of using the in-game systems at the time)

[coral gorge]

or just an old version of the current lick

[raw terrace]

this is not lore and idk why is it here but it is a different enemy or thing cause bigs of the same area have a different lick thing

[eternal talon]

not sure, but regardless, the old snatcher was abandoned before r1 even released. its alpha material.

[raw terrace]

pre alpha material

[finite vine]

i think so... it was a planned enemy that was scrapped. i'm like 90% sure

[normal abyss]

Old snatcher was not found and developed into the snatcher we have today

[finite vine]

it was pre alpha stuff

there were a lot of pre alpha mechanics that were scrapped unfortunately

[lost drum]

This enemy was a giant. He wasn't in the trailer. You'll immediately agree when you see the giant attack around the corner in slow motion. They are almost identical, again, except for the fact that in the trailer, this attack was hand-drawn

But I could be wrong. I think only the developers know for sure

[pastel ether]

it was the chimp from chimp theory 🙏

[eternal talon]

Please don't.

[toxic wagon]

Gun lor

Wher

[coral gorge]

frosty on her way to rid lore chat of non lore topics

[toxic wagon]

I still want Gun lore. Ammo type/caliber and etc.

Aside from vague descriptions

[eternal talon]

there really isnt much

[toxic wagon]

Yeah. It's unfortunate

[coral gorge]

maybe in R8

[toxic wagon]

Didn't you have a image of this pre-snatcher?

[coral gorge]

i do wonder if we will ever learn from where does the warden even get our guns

[final sentinel]

Kohls

[toxic wagon]

It was blurry but it was a image of something that isn't in-game

[final sentinel]

Honestly

Kovac supplies

[coral gorge]

well yes

but like will we see a room

[final sentinel]

Although we never see armories yeah

[coral gorge]

or how do the guns even reach us

[final sentinel]

I get it for gameplay, but for lore it seems weird

[final sentinel]

I mean I think it’d be cool if they got dropped off with the box

And you had to grab them

[coral gorge]

that would make more sense than us having them in the hsu for some reason

[toxic wagon]

Imagine dropping HSUs like drop pods into a battlefield

[burnt wren]

I can make up some on the spot for shits and giggles

[coral gorge]

I kinda would like the drop to be in an actual elevator, with maybe a cool animation of us grabbing our guns and walking out of it

could be cool

defo wont happen

[burnt wren]

Oh, that would be so fucking cool

[coral gorge]

Yeah maybe if the levels with errors from the start had also a special like more hasty animation

so many small things could be made cooler, but i still like the idea of the drop being the loading screen

[harsh pike]

I doubt the devs know

[eternal talon]

nothing like the one in-game now.

unless you were talking about this thing

[raw terrace]

thats kinda a completely different thing skmdkm

[toxic wagon]

Yeah was meaning that one.

[plush nest]

I am naming him Fred

Also what is that thing

[eternal talon]

We don't know. Something abandoned really early in development

Barely made it into a single trailer OST video

[cunning light]

They had some crazy designs early in the development stage ; You can see some of the concept arts from their earlier videos

[unreal nymph]

A little off topic but I really like the level the arm-thing is standing in. Looks more interesting than most of the tile sets I’ve seen

[plush nest]

Well whatever it is, they are now named Fred

[burnt wren]

You and me. That's clearly an outside world lighting.
Good news: that's technically in the game.
Bad news: we don't go there often.

[lilac island]

It seems the game was a lot more heist like in pre-alpha

[harsh pike]

you can read old Q&A's from simon viklund where he talks about looting and upgrades

I think you're right

[lilac island]

Honestly glad it wasn't just a horror payday

[burnt wren]

Is it not?

Break in, steal some cells, carry them back to truck extraction point

My only regret is that music is crap

Come on, myster synthman, cook up some synthesised horrors

[raw terrace]

it is not exactly thats what 'wasnt' implies

[lilac island]

I agree the combat music is a bit generic but I think the exploration music is good

[burnt wren]

This game has exploration music?...

[lilac island]

Yeah

It's fairly subtle

But it's very tense

[burnt wren]

Sorry, can't hear it over the sound of my teammate quick stealthing, so the combat music has to kick in for that 0,00001 of a second that sleeper was awake

[raw terrace]

thats their issue

[lilac island]

I think adaptive music would really help this game
Instead of just going full action music when one or 2 sleepers wake up instead just maybe add something more subtle to fit the situation more

[raw terrace]

i mean u cant have music on sneakin cause u need to hear the clicks, or, at least u should b able to if ur playin it slow
more like, a more subtle startup of the music when wakin a room, or two different music for alarms and wakin up rooms

which, completely viable since gtfo already had those

one more calm until an enemy screams and the room wakes up

[lilac island]

There is very subtle music for the stealth

[raw terrace]

other more build up- kinda for alarms

[raw terrace]

yeah but its more the exploration one shuttin off when u open a door with enemies

or at least thats how it feels

[lilac island]

No I mean there's like

A constant quiet horror stinger

Idk how to explain it

[raw terrace]

thats more of an effect

isnt it

btw this is lore we should, move

[lilac island]

I still think of it as music

[raw terrace]

ill go die on gtfo chat

[leaden olive]

Has anyone noticed that when the sleepers are charging you at a alarm door. The first one to arrive will point and scream? I don't know if I saw the thing exactly point but it looked like it did.

[raw terrace]

some sleepers just run in, some do a scream, others bang the floor

happens also when wakin up one tbh

[leaden olive]

they bang the floor?

[raw terrace]

yeh they go AAAAAAAA
and then with both hands they do a slap on the floor, get back up and go for u

[leaden olive]

maybe thats what I saw.

[coral gorge]

they do a funny dance

thats what glowies are for after all

throwing raves

[crude jacinth]

On the subject of gear with us in the HSU I can't imagine warden has downtime for us between missions. My understanding (during the events of GTFO that is) we are cold stored in HSU until needed. Also based on the logs where it mentions a prisoner in innovating the use of Cfoam launchers during a mission, we pick up most of our gear during missions. Likely we had some gear with us at the start of events and then gathered more through different missions, it's just not shown as a game mechanic as that may disrupt the flow of the game

So if your prisoner finds an SMG on a dead guard he probably just extracts with that and wakes up later with it still on him. Maybe an inlore explanation for why we never start fully stocked either

[short gazelle]

IIRC that was supposed to attack you if ya strayed too far from your team. Not so much an enemy type, but more of an "environmental" hazard.

[pastel ether]

tbf I think The Warden already had access to the guns already (seeing as KSOs (the prisoners) were the security guards in Garganta, so it only makes sense that BIOCOM would have exclusive access to the armory to allow it to arm all the KSOs during ordinary day-to-day operations)

Then again, the lore reason why we never start off fully stocked is probably due to the Warden needing to ration the limited ammunition stockpile in the armory - and it's probably a finite resource. Like the prisoners.

However, the C-Foam launchers, hammers, and drillheads (or spears) probably were looted into the armory by the prisoners, seeing as these definitely were not manufactured for the intended purpose of being used as weapons

(Not sure if the mine deployer was initially produced as mining equipment or as a weapon though. Given the setting of Garganta as a great big underground complex, a tool designed for easily deploying and defusing explosive charges probably would have had some utility for blast mining, but the tripwires on the mines indicate that they were intended for 'weapon' use cases - in which case, they may have been intended for above-ground perimeter anti-tresspasser measures rather than below-ground stuff (potential risks of cave-ins))

and ofc the sledgehammer was probably mining equipment, and the spear is a repurposed drillhead (again, mining equipment) - almost definitely looted by prisoners once they were no longer being used for mining-related use cases

[crude jacinth]

I'm saying there's likely no period between missions where we are out of the hsu and conscious. I don't the the warden changes our armaments between levels. We remain under and inside hsu from mission to mission

Initially yes we probably have our kso loadouts though

[lilac island]

The mission you start with 0 ammo conflicts with this theory

In the briefing the warden states that the objective is simple and so isn't giving resources to the prsioners for that mission

So the warden is capable of manipulating our equipment while we are in hydrostasis

[terse knoll]

I think some people might have survived the apocalypse

isolated communities

some far off village in Siberia

[lilac island]

north sentinal island

[terse knoll]

Viruses can't travel oceans worth of distance on their own

so Humanity isn't extinct 100%

cities are damned

[cold sphinx]

nope

youre saying that we get pulled out and then put back in after with none is a manipulation of some what an entity

and R7C3 is a example?

[lilac island]

The Intel for the mission shows that the prisoners who were sent before us were surprised by having no supplies during the expedition

So we were unaware to it happening hence it would seem we weren't pulled out of hydrostasis for warden to do that

[cold sphinx]

cause of other teams perhaps

and the normal distribuition was cut off due to acessive reaches of multiple teams

andddddd

the reason because the mission is a storage facilities

holding much needed supplies

[lilac island]

The Intel states that it's a simple objective and for that reason the warden is reducing supplies given

[cold sphinx]

and as every mission we load in with default amount

we here have nothing till then

soooooo by wardens promt protocols

we get none

not out of wardens being a learning curve but by mission locked

[lilac island]

Rudimentary objective, reduced resource distribution

R7C3

And the prisoners before us were surprised during the mission at their lack of supplies so

[harsh pike]

tihs begs the question of who is shaving our fuckin heads

[lilac island]

Gtfo ultimate edition: now includes prisoner shaving minigame

[harsh pike]

gotta have something to do while one mf won't ready up

[cold sphinx]

lack

not all out

meanin they didnt have the syringe and cfoams like we do

so likely we started at the same starting stuff (amm/tools) but at another entrance that had plenty of it

[harsh pike]

the warden seeing the previous crew of prisoners get absolutely slaughtered and deciding to send another in, also with no ammo

[lilac island]

Note they say "this can't get worse"

As if they've just been sent in and noticed it

So it really seems they weren't aware of it

[cold sphinx]

it also doenst have to be at that point as well

for all we know

[harsh pike]

i doubt they ever are

[cold sphinx]

they could be ass deep down into it

[harsh pike]

not really a way to brief us on things when it's "Wake up, and drop down"

[cold sphinx]

and have now noticed

[lilac island]

As if they didn't have the choice to equip themselves- because the warden does while we're in hydrostasis in some way

[cold sphinx]

like

we have no sense of time down there

so all were both sayin is built on our own beliefs

reduced resources doenst mean none is given

thats all ill say

[lilac island]

We start with none though
As did the team before us

[cold sphinx]

you dont know that

[harsh pike]

yeah that comm log sounds like they got out of the pods, checked their mags and were like "oh."

[lilac island]

"I got nothing"

[cold sphinx]

comns happens anytime lol

[lilac island]

They're speaking as if it's the beginning of the mission

Which makes sense because we do start with 0 ammo

[cold sphinx]

mhnm

@eternal talon

splain

[lilac island]

I know the comms can come from any point of the mission but this time they're speaking as if they've just dropped in and saw that they have no supplies and are surprised by that

Like they didn't do it

[cold sphinx]

true

i see noproblem there

still

[lilac island]

And the intel for the mission implies to me that the warden is the one that took our ammo before it

[cold sphinx]

it is too vauge to even confirm a strong bind like that tbh

[harsh pike]

can't confirm either

but its a pretty safe bet