gtfo-lore

[coral gorge]

yeah

[topaz hollow]

(Google it)

That's why I think it would be cool to hear echoes of distant gunfire or sleeper roars and combat ambience in general

If supposedly there's other teams around

[coral gorge]

in R5B4 we also take part in a diversion protocol

[eternal talon]

100%. can do easily in modded, but devs never bothered to in vanilla

real shame

[topaz hollow]

Isn't that because we have a GO/T/F/O line of KSOs, one of each

[coral gorge]

yes

[topaz hollow]

Schaeffer's squad dies with 2 Ts, 1 GO, and I think 1 F KSO

[eternal talon]

the generations of Kovac Security Operatives. Genesis, Tau, Faulty, Sigma. (yes 'O' is Sigma for some reason)

[coral gorge]

Did his die?

yeah

hackett is sigma righy?

[topaz hollow]

There's a log detailing how KSO-Schaeffer gets lost a second time from the Warden's perspective

[topaz hollow]

Faulty

[lone beacon]

wonder if this is what turned into the Snatchers

[coral gorge]

no woods is

[topaz hollow]

The main crew's IDs are listed in game in logs

[eternal talon]

to be fair, schaeffer himself is a massive issue in the timeline

the schaeffer discrepancy is major

[topaz hollow]

Woods is sigma

[coral gorge]

wasnt he faulty?

[topaz hollow]

How so

[coral gorge]

Well

he is not dead to nam v

somehow

and its supposed to be an ultra virus

[topaz hollow]

no, he was threatened with it because Kovac thought he still had that religious dawg in him

faulty supposedly dictates that the KSO gets eventually recycled for tissue and organs

[coral gorge]

im pretty sure it is implied he was reset a bunch before

[topaz hollow]

according to another log

[topaz hollow]

twice

[eternal talon]

if you haven't heard of it before, basically, schaeffer locked himself in KDS-DEEP when the facility was collapsing. he accidentally locked the doors and to avoid starving to death, entered hydrostasis. all of r5, we lift the lockdowns schaeffer caused to give warden access to kds deep the hsus inside. so i ask you, how did schaeffer break free of the warden in r4?

[eternal talon]

worse

posted above

[topaz hollow]

yeah I read that

[hollow sage]

how do these shadow variants in the deeper levels do come into existence, i mean do they kind of evolve into having a invisible cellular structure, the shadow concept is just very "not digestable" to me. how do these things even become something so anomalous, and when they die they go into accelarated decomp. and the corpse is visible for a short time. what is actually behind the functioning of shadows, why are they like this?

[lilac island]

what if schaeffer does not exist

[topaz hollow]

Schaeffer locking himself in KDS deep but somehow getting deployed after the fact is actually a huge plot hole holy shit

[coral gorge]

what if schafer we know is alt schafer

[topaz hollow]

Wtf

[coral gorge]

who warped to og

and in alt R6 he wont talk to us

[topaz hollow]

Giant Shadows are the goofiest enemy

Because of the way they walk bro

[hollow sage]

squatting slavs

[eternal talon]

they are different variants. canically. different sub-species of parasite

[lilac island]

or if he was taken out of KDS DEEP by warden needing more ksos, after he locked himself in a HSU, and then it goes after lockdown by idfk maybe biocom fucking warden

[coral gorge]

yeah unless he is actuslly alt schafer, who didnt lock himself in kds deep, left his squad in alt R4, then warped to og

[topaz hollow]

that would explain why they sound like horses

[hollow sage]

so a diff fucked up parasite turns them invisible?

oh yeah the screech

[eternal talon]

we dont know for certain but probably.

[coral gorge]

rather same parasite but mutated

[topaz hollow]

isn't that also how chargers happen or am I insanse

[coral gorge]

since i doubt nam v has symbiosis with 3 diff parasotes

[coral gorge]

possibly

[eternal talon]

we dont know for certain but probably

[lilac island]

chargers are speculated to be made by the ceiling biomass

[topaz hollow]

Chargers used to only ever spawn in rooms with the ceiling dripping black goo

[coral gorge]

and charger wall in R7E1

[lilac island]

one can find in rooms with chargers in it

[topaz hollow]

But not anymore, they just spawn wherever these days

[eternal talon]

like, we know the brown/red ones, on door alarms, canonically melt when dead. the white ones do not. but in gameplay, both do because performance

[topaz hollow]

racist parasite?

[eternal talon]

they are hyper-agressive patrolling subvariant of parasite

[coral gorge]

or its mutation

so same thing

[eternal talon]

its why the baby sleeper plush the devs made recently is weird looking. its a agressive parasite varaint sleeper

not the common white variant

[topaz hollow]

Hey how does the warden get a threat level rating for sectors

[eternal talon]

like, i dont even think we see a red mom in the game

[topaz hollow]

Like why is there never a mission with 3 overloads

[coral gorge]

simulations prolly

[lilac island]

the same reason blood doors say motion sensors triggered

probably

[topaz hollow]

Also why are there never missions doing previously-uncompleted overload/extreme left behind by pussy prisoners who didn't do it

[hollow sage]

dont you think this invisible mutation is something of a evolutionary product for predators, like to hunt and not to be hunted?

[coral gorge]

nam v is a killer ultra virus

it evolves cause it has time

[topaz hollow]

nam-v turns you into a genshin impact player

[coral gorge]

likr a shit ton of it due to destination and other places

[topaz hollow]

or a red tank

[eternal talon]

nam-v is so SO much more advanced than anything even remotely possible. our resident biologist, Beanz, said to his knowlege, it is impossible to have occurred naturally. saying it is almost certainly a bioweapon

[hollow sage]

oh so more deeper it is situated, the more time it has to evolve cuz no disturbance

[topaz hollow]

40k virus bomb moment

[coral gorge]

I mean you said destination has nam v for like 500000…. Smth years?

so it could evolve into an apex virus in that time

[eternal talon]

a lot of the people we have in here are IRL experts. like punkthulu works in disaster cleanup

[topaz hollow]

I mean if we use Destination time, it's had a while

[eternal talon]

5,500,000,000+

[coral gorge]

yeah

[lilac island]

aren't normal tanks red?

[coral gorge]

plenty of time to become an absolute killing machine

[topaz hollow]

Isn't destionation also in some IRL nebula that there were coordinates listed for somewhere in game

[lilac island]

and pablo greyish?

[eternal talon]

no

[topaz hollow]

I was making a joke, chill out brussel sprout

[coral gorge]

plus if it has other places other than destination…

it really had a lot of time

[eternal talon]

yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_6302

destination is located there, in an alternate worldline

its far away in two aspects

[hollow sage]

so correct me if im wrong, NAM-V been there for a shit ton of time, it evolved to be the destroyer of worlds, so what about this parasite that works in symbiosis with nam-v, where did it come from

[topaz hollow]

just say fucking timeline

god damnit

[coral gorge]

same place probably

evolved together

[topaz hollow]

also destionation iirc

[coral gorge]

or not detsination

[eternal talon]

but its different https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_line

[coral gorge]

yet anotner domension

[eternal talon]

special relativity wise/qft

[topaz hollow]

5d gtfo

[lilac island]

ty (last time i saw a tank was R4C1 and he blew up to 8 mines)

[coral gorge]

explosions

i wonder could nam v be nuked

or is it resistant to that too

[hollow sage]

pretty fucking bad luck for santonian workers to get fucked with double nam-v and parasite punch.

[eternal talon]

sleeprs like the dark. a nuke wont do much to a sleepr miles underground in a cave

its why it getting to the surface is really fucking bad

[coral gorge]

nuke the ubderground

[eternal talon]

makes it damn near impossible to rid the planet of them

since they can wait out literally anything

[coral gorge]

i mean the planet is lost tbg

[hollow sage]

black mesa moment

[eternal talon]

110%

our original worldline had a chance. only the virus made it out, not the parasite.

alt// is 100% fucked

[coral gorge]

i mean its most likely parasite and virus go together, to maximize the amount of victims

[coral gorge]

oh yeah reports of sleepers in US

[eternal talon]

the virus is so lethal it'd eat itself out of fuel and starve to death. the parasite keeps the hosts alive and basically gives it an infinite gas tank so to speak

[coral gorge]

yup

parasite is the only reason the virus can be a death machine

cause it grants it infinite food

[eternal talon]

it makes sense honestly for it to be a controlled bioweapon to wipe out planets to later be colonized

[hollow sage]

so the parasite doesnt let the host die, and they become sleepers except being in a comatose state and then later die?

[eternal talon]

sleepers are like lobsters. they dont decay

[coral gorge]

wait lobsters do that

[eternal talon]

and honestly it would seem they dont even need food

[hollow sage]

wait lobsters dont decay

shit i didnt knew

[eternal talon]

lobsters cant die of old age

their cells repair themselves forever

[coral gorge]

lobsters op

[eternal talon]

humans are looking into it as a way to slow aging irl

science is cool

[hollow sage]

stem cells or some shit?

[eternal talon]

basically

[hollow sage]

yesssirrr

[eternal talon]

i dont know the specifics of it

its not my fiend of study. i just know it as an off-hand fact

[coral gorge]

i mean if the virus gets energy from the cells of the host and then gives this energy back to the parasite for it to keep the sleeper alive and regen the lost cells it would make a loop

[hollow sage]

yeah i know right, we can have surface level discussion but the real fucking experts are doing it their way

[coral gorge]

wait a second does that mean i can have a pet lobster that will never die?

[hollow sage]

[eternal talon]

the experts that we have here are pretty much only beanz nowadays. he studies microbiology and is in his 4th year.

[hollow sage]

sheeesh

[coral gorge]

all for some stupid games lore

i love video games lore

[eternal talon]

punk, who works in disaster cleanup and with the kinds of hazardous environment equipment we see in the game hasn't ben in this channel in a long time

[hollow sage]

im a non med passout, but still a huge science and bio nerd inside. i love discussing things like these here

[eternal talon]

i dont know. probably?

the environment would matter more tbh

[coral gorge]

yeah of course

[eternal talon]

just because they repair themselves doesnt mean they are immune to diseases or environmental factors

[coral gorge]

but if i was to give it everything it needs

[eternal talon]

then yeah probably it'd outlive you

[coral gorge]

i could make it live for a long time

[coral gorge]

gotta beat the record for oldest living animal

Dumb turtles

[eternal talon]

aha, found it!

### Entry: Gallus {genus}
Poss. intro? fix end bit
/quote
There are cross-species behavioral distinctions that separate all species within the genus. The dark-skinned variants tend to be more active hunters, suggesting the darker pigmentation is a product of natural selection. They are harder to see and therefore more successful predators. The light skinned breed are still vicious and will attack at the slightest provocation, but they do not seek the prey as actively, they are more disposed to sedentary, almost somnific, behavior. They wait, and strike when roused.

**/quote

Entry: Gallus Reptus

Paragraph on:

• Reptus show little signs of intelligence beyond their predatory instincts. Clarify the intraspecific devolution theory?
• possibility of structured hierarchy among the pack, and the role of Reptus in that hierarchy
• possibility that Reptus are a post-metamorphic stage of Jaculus? Note no confirmed sightings of Jaculus in a pupal state.
• NEED DNA SAMPLE

Entry: Gallus Jaculus

• more intelligent than Reptus, or given a more strategic role in the hive?
• what are the implications of emergent intelligence.
• potential human connection/influence. Mimicry or symbiont relationship with parasite?
• remove that woman from the team**

[coral gorge]

what woman

[eternal talon]

?

[coral gorge]

„remove that woman from the team”

[hollow sage]

where is this from exactly?

[eternal talon]

oh. stokes

[eternal talon]

7GY-HYP-SDW

[hollow sage]

oh

the logs

[coral gorge]

the numbers, what do they mean

[eternal talon]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_3.0_Logs

[topaz hollow]

I don't like that they set up the story to have infinite timelines, it should have just been 1 and maybe the ALT one

[coral gorge]

yeah

[eternal talon]

i agree

[topaz hollow]

It makes everything so damn complicated

[eternal talon]

absoloutely

[coral gorge]

who knows maybe alt r6 will fix it

[eternal talon]

i doubt it. its like a pandora's box.

[coral gorge]

Well unless they were drunk while making the story they gotta have a plan for it

a hopefully reasonable plan

[topaz hollow]

Imagine all this gets hit with a hard reset like the Undertale setting, doesn't Sans have dialogue during the fight where he talks about timelines chopping and changing until suddenly they all end

[eternal talon]

**### Entry: Gallus Capreolatus
Name options:

• Capreolatus
• Cirrhus
• Pampinarii
• Clavicula
  Discuss tendril hypotheses :
• diphyllobothrium latum mimicry?
• siphonophore/zooids theory
• NEED DNA SAMPLE

Gallus Horridus

• advanced predation techniques
• purpose of keratinous growths unclear. does it charge under threat?
• NEED DNA SAM**

[topaz hollow]

Gallus Horridus sounds like chargers

[coral gorge]

yeah basically

[hollow sage]

is this about scouts?

[eternal talon]

capreolatus yes.

[hollow sage]

ohh

[eternal talon]

spaghetti variant

[coral gorge]

second sounds like chargers

[hollow sage]

keratinous growths

[topaz hollow]

"Keratinous growths"

[hollow sage]

like the spikes?

[topaz hollow]

Charger spikes are fingernails confirmed

[eternal talon]

guys, watch out! there is a gallus capreolatus over there!

[coral gorge]

and chargers under threat

[hollow sage]

dried black goo fingernail

[topaz hollow]

If we were on a mission and you said this to me, I would turn around and shoot you and tell the warden you fell down a hole

[coral gorge]

which one is that again Dauda?… OH SCOUT! SHIT

[coral gorge]

hey thats a hole

also how do you get these screenshots so fast

you have just every room screenshoted?

[eternal talon]

i have an archive of hundreds

[coral gorge]

huh

[eternal talon]

i am literally THE gtfo lore expert

i am in here every day

[hollow sage]

hahahahahah

[eternal talon]

i even archive old stuff like trailers that went unused

[coral gorge]

start a gtfo lore youtube channel if you havent already

[eternal talon]

i dont bother with that. i'd have to update it too much to be worth it. the for dummies doc is much more efficient

[coral gorge]

Hm perhaps

although one thing i wish the doc had were sources

[hollow sage]

the dummies doc explained the lore so good, i dont know reading it my min absorbed this world. no other youtube lore video could've done this

[eternal talon]

i also work on a total conversion mod for GTFO, DM me if you are interested in playing it. it has solo and duo campaigns. 2k+ downloads

[hollow sage]

usss rn

[eternal talon]

and ofc, its super lore heavy

[hollow sage]

will try

[coral gorge]

AAA games have lore?

[eternal talon]

exactly

[hollow sage]

[eternal talon]

but nah, i've been here for a very long time. here are my completions on r6 alone

[coral gorge]

wow

i wish i had mine screenshoted

[eternal talon]

first started playing in OGr1

[coral gorge]

WTF

you are ancient

[eternal talon]

half a decade of gtfo lore

yeah

lmao

seen many many many faces come and go

[topaz hollow]

imagine an expedition where we keep jumping timelines with an enemy that keeps following us until eventually we reach the end of the original at the end of r8, and cure the virus, beating GTFO

[coral gorge]

huh i completely forgot R6 has levels in a stair pattern

[topaz hollow]

get a life

outside of GTFO

[hollow sage]

i remember the beta days, i actually loved the first intro where it kind of screamed to cortex establishment, ominous.

[eternal talon]

you know, me and my team were world first in the log collection hunts for both r6ex and r7

[topaz hollow]

REAL

[coral gorge]

if i see pablo in one more level im actuslly gonna spend 6 hours killing it and then throw my laptop out the window

[topaz hollow]

total conversion?

[topaz hollow]

no I mean something like Giga moon from fnaf sb

[eternal talon]

custom levels, guns, tools, melee weapons, enemies, encounters, custom fog, basically everything

[topaz hollow]

Not unbeatable, but very persistent

[coral gorge]

very cool

[topaz hollow]

GTFO^2

[eternal talon]

custom story and even voice acted audio by community members and fans of the mod

[coral gorge]

Is it done?

im guessing not right?

[eternal talon]

yeah. been out for over a year. only thing isn't 100% finished is the community voiceover, only some characters are voiced.

[coral gorge]

huh wow

once im done with alt R6 i might give it a try

[topaz hollow]

how many characters does the mod add

[coral gorge]

does it add north?

[topaz hollow]

we should not be talking about this here by the way, lest we draw the mods' eye of sauron

[eternal talon]

no. custom cast of characters

[eternal talon]

agreed.

[coral gorge]

oh =(

yeah true

[eternal talon]

dm me any questions you want or visit the mod's discord. i sent you the stuff

[coral gorge]

Lets flee Frodo

the nazguls are coming

[eternal talon]

quick, look at this plant!

or this one

or these

[coral gorge]

bush in other dimensiom confirmed

[raw terrace]

PLANT

[eternal talon]

or these

[coral gorge]

this is game changing

[eternal talon]

i archive EVERYTHING

[raw terrace]

give ammo to plant

[coral gorge]

plant want ammo

it hungers

it consumes

IT DEVOURS

[eternal talon]

destination has sandstorms taller than mountains. its metal AF

[coral gorge]

also thats a good question

why does destination look so barren

like almost no living plant life

i mean it is said the plants the scientists brought died unnaturally quickly

but why would that happen

and how could there be any life nam v could host upon then

[eternal talon]

beause they watered them and sent them 2 weeks before they went through

[coral gorge]

oh

right

Quantum shit

[eternal talon]

thats 3.2 years

lel

[coral gorge]

still

why is that place so barren

like when will we get smth like a jungle

[eternal talon]

only real big plants we have seen have been dead for a very long time

[topaz hollow]

FINISHED WITH MY WOMAN COS SHE COULDN'T HELP ME WITH MY MIND

PEOPLE THINK I'M INSANE BECAUSE I AM FROWNING ALL THE TIME

(Guitar Riff)

[desert flame]

worth noting, you can say the same for Dauda since both times he was a scientist that got into the HSUs to not die

OG on his own ALT at gunpoint by the crew

[topaz hollow]

Getting into the HSU makes you halfway to a KSO, the warden just finished the job

[desert flame]

we're more or less just left to assume the warden found them in HSUs and made them KSOs after the fact since Schaeffer was also just an employee in both timelines

also I cant be fuckin bothered to scroll all the way back up to reply to it directly but

Schaeffer very likely breaks his control in OG the same way we see in ALT, given he knows about the machine to rip the implant out

We dont get to see it, but its very likely to be the case

[desert flame]

man they can barely get the gardens to run well, you think they can handle making a whole ass jungle optimized

[burnt wren]

By freezing the trees maybe

[edgy pecan]

The creatures hate light, since the surface is so inhospitable, it seems safe to assume all plants and creatures live beneath the surface

[solemn kraken]

Well there is confirmation of sleepers on the surface of earth. Unless there is no day/night cycle anymore that would be ... problematic. to add onto that we get attacked at day in R7C2 and R7B3 (on destination)

[edgy pecan]

Attacked yeah, but they do hate light. Also, the intro is always dark, so I figure they terraformed earth somehow.

[raw terrace]

creatures don't hate light, they stand right in front of incredibly powerful light in the complex
i think it's more so the change on it, which could make em be more active in mornings n stuff maybe?

[edgy pecan]

Mabye, but also consider where the initial structures were found in the meteor

[solemn kraken]

If earth is terraformed why not destination? (has still day/night cycle)

[edgy pecan]

Hard to say, too many storms mabye?

[solemn kraken]

sleepers also don't seem a intelligent species technology wise

cause they infected, not a species

[raw terrace]

isn't alpha [or well destination? is that whatcha mean?] another planet?

[edgy pecan]

I was just about to say that was a hole in my theory

[edgy pecan]

Possibly

[solemn kraken]

it is

confirmed

[edgy pecan]

The problem with it being another dimension is that another lifeforms would have to have made the portals then, but there is no mention of other infected besides the humans

[solemn kraken]

there are and we fight them

[edgy pecan]

I suppose you could argue that those are nonhuman, I always thought they were just further along in mutation

[solemn kraken]

No I am talking about the flyers

[edgy pecan]

Oh, that's true, they do show up in the compound

[solemn kraken]

AFTER we teleport in R6B1

[edgy pecan]

But the rest seem like infected humans, besides the kraken

[solemn kraken]

Kraken, flyers and shockers

But yeah those are the only infected other species we see

[edgy pecan]

So only the parasite came in the meteor, so once again, where are the ones who built it

Have we actually seen the portal structures?

[solemn kraken]

We have seen our portal structures yes

R6B1, R6D1, R7C2sec

[edgy pecan]

I meant the alien parts of them, not the project insight constructs

[raw terrace]

yeah alien stuff

[solemn kraken]

Matter wave projector I think has to do with that, it seems to be linked to those crystals

[raw terrace]

there's an alien like stone in r7b3 i think?

frostty has the image

[edgy pecan]

Ok, mabye I misunderstood, I was under the impression that the portal tech made use of alien tech, not just the strange materials

[solemn kraken]

I think it's materials but not sure.

we seem to power them with crystals from destination at least

[edgy pecan]

Then I feel like that lines up with destination being another dimension more

[solemn kraken]

Possible, but not earth

As time goes slower there

[solar nova]

My memory is that the MWP is an alien device, but it's contained in silicon or something to prevent it from activating inadvertently.

I don't think the logs make it very clear as to what artifact 7 actually is under that coating, though.

[edgy pecan]

Ok, I think I got it. So millions of years ago, the central star of NGC 6302 begins to collapse, as it is one of the hottest stars we know of, we have no idea what happened at those energy levels, but it opens a portal to another dimension. This is backed up by the shape of the nebula, as it resembles things spewing from the center, as well as the fact that the materials in the nebula seem to be crystalline according to Wikipedia. One of these large chunks hurdles toward earth, creating the crater we now call garganta. Inside of what is essentially a geode resides a virus that begins to mutate the people who come into contact with it, as well as an alien material that, once properly used, acts as a tether to the creatures original dimension.

Then all that jazz with kovac goes down, the mining company starts drilling, stoppers start mutating etc.

Only things I don't understand are why the first mission to Mars is so significant as to add it into a log, and who the warden is

[solar nova]

Isn't Mars just HSU flavor?

[edgy pecan]

Mabye, seemed like they dwelled on it for a while tho

[solar nova]

Isn't it 3 or so logs, setting up HSUs, Kovac and their higher ups, etc.?

[eternal talon]

the only physical structures of them we have seen at all outside of logs and the hammerstein collection is this

[eternal talon]

i've never heard about that. would love to see though

[eternal talon]

what? have a read of the "for dummies" doc in the pins. we have direct evidence in the logs of not only the hyper advanced alien race, but their technology

[raw terrace]

u have the screenshot qwq
then it isnt r7b3

[eternal talon]

i actually talked about this with cubix early today. read from here down

[eternal talon]

this is r6b1

[raw terrace]

there chu go qwq

AH

i wonder if

itll still b there on alt

where is it like on the map?

[eternal talon]

who knows. given it is modeled directly --

-- its behind where you spawn where you teleport

part of the cliff is carved out aswell.

i only took a pic of the sandstone though.

-- it is modeled directly into the geometry of the tile, so they'd have to remake the tile were that the case, and i'm not sure they'd do that. the biggest changes they did with destination tiles is adding in charger gunk (ironically in that same tile) in r7e1, but it is much easier to add stuff to the tile than carve it away

as they'd have to remodel both that and the bits of the cliffside that are cleared out

[raw terrace]

yeh but idk would b like very very funk if they did, i gotta like see it first thing when i tp

[eternal talon]

yeah, you just do a 180 and its there.

[raw terrace]

ok :]
snaps its neck

[eternal talon]

ah, here you can see the bottom of the cliff a bit better

its carved out around it

[raw terrace]

ohh damn

rock >:3

[eternal talon]

a lot of people thought it was an imprint from the base of the teleporter pad, but no other level we have ever used one in created this imprint.

[edgy pecan]

I forgot about the massive explosion. Atleast that clears up what happened to the other race. Although the rest of the theory still checks out, NGC 6302 being the first extradimensional portal

[raw terrace]

also idk why i was thinkin of this earlier so ik its, probs incorrect but i still, will write it ksmdskms
so the alt started by like, unknown causes, as it says in like the dummies document, but i was thinkin dumb stuff
so we travel, back to rundown 1 n stuff, and the warden did it so we dont hijack it in R7
what im thinkin is like what if, warden used the matter wave projector for that? like it used some shenaningans with it, we went back, and now stuff is like different. then, in r6, we are gonna use the mwp again, so we revert everything?
full idea is like, warden sent us back with the mwp to the ALTS, we get to ALT r6, we undo it somehow and then r7 is the exact same?
lorewise its kinda dumb cause like its a nothin tale, its just a loop and absolutely nothin changes, but what if thats like, the reason in gameplay theres not gonna be an ALT r7

[eternal talon]

no, you misunderstand. the explosion happened on earth in like 2053

we dont know what ended the allens. presumeably nam-v and the virus

and it isn't the first time the allens jumped either

[edgy pecan]

I know, but it said it was an anti parasite measure, so the Allen's all got infected, then promptly disintegrated

[eternal talon]

we know that for a fact since hammerstein found specimens from countless universes in the inner

[edgy pecan]

What log was that in?

[eternal talon]

This week I drew the conclusion that the lifeforms we have been finding do not appear to come from the same evolutionary tree. Indeed, many of them appear to have at least partially evolved in drastically different environments, though there is clearly a commonality in the mutations they all share. There is no indication that the artifacts and objects we have found within the fossil were designed for use by any of the creatures, so quite how they ended up there is still a mystery. The bizarre disappearance of the equipment while working on Artifact 13 suggests some method of transformation or even transportation beyond our current understanding. As such, the origin of these creatures remains a mystery - but they come from different places. Different planets? Universes? I am confident I will unravel the mystery, but my impatience for understanding is overwhelming!

QSW-EQW-S99

[edgy pecan]

Weird

[eternal talon]

he even managed to recover a few living ones

I will be conducting a behavioral analysis of the few living creatures we have managed to capture.

[edgy pecan]

Could those have been flyers and baby krakens?

[eternal talon]

if you haven't read the "for dummies" doc in the pins of this channel, i highly reccomend it. it has been thoroughly researched by over a dozen people and has been updated constantly over the past two years.

[eternal talon]

no for two reasons

firstly, the fliers were first encountered in the ef01 log where durant mentions them hunting down him and his team, so it wouldn't make sense for him to not know what they were by that point if they also found specimens of them in the inner,

and secondly krakens are a sort of biological aircraft carrier for the floaters. Appearing to be highly mutated ocean life, resembling the cuttlefish here on earth, their uninfected specimens would be vastly different to what we see in r6c1 and what we fight in r6d1.

[lilac island]

It's still completely absurd that they were studying namv as the entire world was collapsing

Hey where's jim, he's late on his spectrum analysis

Oh, he got fucking gored and eaten alive two days ago man

Ah you're right. Well, better keep working!

Were they trying to cure it or were they just doing science experiments

If they were trying to cure it then i can accept that

[harsh pike]

probably trying to learn more about it to help cure it

why else

[lilac island]

Idk

Evil company does evil stuff

They didn't warn WHO or CDC

Lied to their staff

Did human experiments

Doesn't look very altruistic

They did the stereotypical "sacrifice literally the entire globe for money" spiel by not saying anything and continuing to drill when half their employees were dying

The dummy lore txt says they were drilling while kovac was actively holding back sleepers

If I understood it right

What the hell were they trying to do

[eternal talon]

Some suspension of disbelief is required for pretty much all post apocalyptic scenarios

But then again, somebody's gotta fall for those god awful scam callers/emails otherwise they wouldn't be profitable enough to keep doing them, right?

[harsh pike]

this time it's really a nigerian prince guys

[loud urchin]

hang on, let me check with my nigerian friend, they might know better than me

[eternal talon]

we are so close, the cure is right there! It's in the next chamber, I'm sure of it! If we just keep going a little more it'll all be okay!

Like a gambler trying to hit it big, ignoring the costs on the way there.

[harsh pike]

I mean at that point what else would you do

if NAM-V is decimating the world, every organization able would be focused on a cure no matter how unlikely

[eternal talon]

In alt, I agree... but in our original worldline, the surface was and is okay. No sleepers

The could have pulled out and helped the world recover with what they knew

[harsh pike]

i thought the original timeline still had a huge loss of population to nam-v? I remember a terminal in r7...c2 I think? (gen cluster) that said the US was down 50% of it's population

[eternal talon]

built a wall around garganta

[eternal talon]

Yes, but given time earth could recover. Nam-v would starve itself out

[harsh pike]

I wonder why they went with the "World is completely fucked" approach

[eternal talon]

Don't get me wrong, you are still returning to the middle ages, but I'd rather be there than nowhere

[harsh pike]

just kind of feels like our actions have no weight since there's no point, no world to return to at all (if the warden's goal with the KSOs is developing a cure)

[harsh pike]

tbh garganta does seem like a self-solving problem, all they do is sleep. fill the holes with concrete and leave it buried forever

[eternal talon]

That's what the warden did in the original worldline.

Garganta was isolated

[harsh pike]

original timeline sounds much better

[eternal talon]

.... then we let the floaters out in r6b1

... oops

[harsh pike]

I hope they wrap this up in alt r6 and we go back

im curious to see how they link the two at all if r7 isn't getting alt-'d

[eternal talon]

TAKE ME BACK, I DONT WANNA LIVE IN THIS SHITHOLE ANYMORE

[harsh pike]

literally

cause if we do go back to the original timeline in alt r6 to link back up with r7 / r8, what was even the point?

[eternal talon]

Still, floaters are now out so our original is fucked too

[harsh pike]

yeah those things wouldnt have a hard time escaping garganta

[eternal talon]

Sleepers couldn't get thru the bulkheads, but nothing stopping the floaters from just flying up

Out the giant holes we go down thru

[harsh pike]

more concrete

[eternal talon]

Those tunnels go down 2k meters... and there are hundreds of them

[harsh pike]

then maybe just some saran wrap on the top

[eternal talon]

You'd need a whole hell of alot

[eternal talon]

LMAO

[harsh pike]

idk the original timeline seems a lot better IMO, i feel like "world is entirely fucked and you have no chance of accomplishing anything" stories aren't. good

[eternal talon]

It is.

Even with floaters

[harsh pike]

US military (What's left of it) can handle some meatballs

it makes r7's whole theme more impactful too IMO

[eternal talon]

They'd have to from range

[harsh pike]

what's the point of going AWOL and trying to escape garganta if there's nothing at all to escape to?

[eternal talon]

Or they'll get infect with nam-v....

And part 2

Also any native wildlife

[harsh pike]

hopefully they'd know that by that point

[eternal talon]

Like birds and fish

Can't exactly tell a bird to fuck off

Fish, with enough time you could build dams and such

[harsh pike]

depends if floaters try to kill all sentient life or just threats to their existence? likely the former

[eternal talon]

Well I would think the point of any species is to infect and propagate

[harsh pike]

but their goal seems to just be kill

[eternal talon]

Infecting new hosts I'd think would be the most important

Well we don't know what happens to our squad when we lose

We could just be incapacitated then turned

[harsh pike]

good point

[eternal talon]

Given even when one man goes down, we don't ever die

[harsh pike]

somehow despite the surely-broken-bones

[eternal talon]

If you leave a guy with a swarm chasing they won't tear him apart on the ground like zombies

[harsh pike]

eugh i never really thought about that

[eternal talon]

And the only corpses we have ever seen were people that died from nam-v without the parasite present, as the mutations are always half way done

We never find just actual corpses

[harsh pike]

makes sense

[eternal talon]

even just the random heads we find in the biocom server room are still infected heads

[burnt wren]

This suddenly reminds me of something...

The UN Expedition upon ariving to Gargnatha's Entrance noted that they couldn't find anyone. No signs of fighting, or struggles, even fully loaded helicopter carrier ready at the place, but just... No one there. Like everyone just left. No corpses either.

It is VERY weird that we just never find normal corpses anywhere. Surely one worker would climb into some forgotten hole or corner and just die there from starvation.

Small chances it could be a foreshadowing for something, but i have both doubts and no idea what it could possibly foreshadow besides straight mind control.

The fact that experience of the UN squad is the same is what bothers me. I cant sort of forgive that all corpses got eaten down there, but... There's no one upstairs either. So what the fuck?

[harsh pike]

there's also just very little blood

garganta is shockingly clean

[burnt wren]

That too!

Outside of the blowholes we use to deploy there's not really much collateral damage even though we know sleepers absolutely ravaged the facility during the great outbreak

I'll have to boil that one down to limitations of procedural map design

Imagine making a "ravaged room" and have it appear everywhere with same corpses and what not

[harsh pike]

yeah, you're right sadly

garganta is way too free of gore imo

[lilac island]

Powerful addiction to cement

[harsh pike]

can you blame me

[lilac island]

If factorio has taught me ANYTHING

[raw terrace]

yes

[lilac island]

You can not have enough concrete

They could probably build like

A sarcophagus ontop of it

Like what they did in Chernobyl

Now granted it would be risky because you're keeping in creatures and not radiation but like it could work

[harsh pike]

it wouldn't be that risky other than the noise of construction

all these things do is snooze

[cold sphinx]

Hunt as well

They work like a hive but we already know that

[leaden olive]

Gonna show this to my latin terminology proffesor so he can laugh at this.

[low folio]

well wouldn't most people have either been infected or eaten?

i agree though, it'd also be nice to occasionally see the bodies of other prisoners that we could loot weapons off of/resources

[harsh pike]

yeah but i doubt they'd lick the blood clean off the walls, there'd be SOMETHING

[low folio]

fair

[short star]

an organism that literally won't waste any organic material maybe

[lost drum]

https://youtu.be/8gqyHgXUjJs

At the beginning of the trailer, pictures are shown. Is this the blending of universes? Are we seeing part of the original world?

[burnt wren]

Too unclear to say anything, just cool visuals

I have no idea who's speaking though

[coral gorge]

yeah

[burnt wren]

Is that Henrikson?

[coral gorge]

who was that

is it North

at first i thought dauda cause he spoke in one trailer before

but it might be Henrikson

[burnt wren]

To be fair we never hear our lads without comms filter

[coral gorge]

defo not shafer

[raw terrace]

sounds more like hacky doesnt it?

i dont think its henrikson

[burnt wren]

Nope

[coral gorge]

so it could be North

[burnt wren]

Doesn't have the accent

Not Woods or Dauda either

[coral gorge]

bish?

i doubt it

[burnt wren]

Same

[coral gorge]

maybe North is truly making a come back

if at the beginning we see universes merging it would make sense for him to exist

even if temporarily

[raw terrace]

it has to b one of the main 4, tbh i do head a lil of bishi but unsures

[burnt wren]

Yeah, it might be Bishop.

I hear those crusty whiny notes of his tone

[coral gorge]

:(

so no North comeback

sad

[cold sphinx]

hackkett is a big lead too btw

bishop would sound more aggressive

[harsh pike]

Its 100% bishop

[burnt wren]

No one sounds as whiny as him

[lost drum]

That does sound like Bishop. But I like to think it could have been Maddox)

[coral gorge]

in my heart its North

even if its impossible

I believe

[lost drum]

Who's North

[raw terrace]

the old name of bishi i think

[burnt wren]

Alpha ver playable character who later got replaced by Hackett

[coral gorge]

Yeah he got wiped from existence

but if in the GTFO universe exist many timelines, maybe in one North is alive

[burnt wren]

That would be cool

Rng chance that Hackett reverts to North

[desert flame]

I'm pretty certain that's Hacketts VA

[burnt wren]

Nah, I don't hear the Scottish

Unless he voices both

Also the man got too emotional towards the end

Ain't no Hackett style

[desert flame]

Hackett gets just as if not more emotional in the original launch trailer so I mean

I dont think that's valid

[harsh pike]

hackett is irish

[eternal talon]

to my ears, it sounds like the hackett VA without the accent.

I do not know what North sounded like, as that was before i started playing.

if they even had voice lines back then i am not sure.

[harsh pike]

the way he says "the survivors" is so undeniably british

bishop for sure

[naive crow]

def sounds like bishop to me

[lilac island]

I thought it was obvious it was bishop

in the new trailer

[solar nova]

That's Bishop, lmao.

The audio at 0:09 seems interesting.

Counting?

[night vale]

Are there dinosuars underneath the facility? maybe stuck after the asteroid impact?

[coral gorge]

i doubt it since its a giant ass crater

everything should have been wiped clear

[night vale]

damn wouldve been nice if we had to fight a dino

[rose panther]

Somehow that reminds me of the bipedal robots that started showing up in R4. I thought they would become hostile after putting in a terminal command or that they would be a new kind of objective/alarm system

I was a bit disappointed they were just decoration

[gusty halo]

same

[edgy pecan]

@eternal talon do you recognise this logo?

i cant quite make it out

but it is plastered all over the mater wave projector

[coral gorge]

i think its also on the reactor models

like the one in R3A3 i think (the one where the terminal is on glass and below are like spires)

im pretty sure its the same logo

[solar nova]

I think this is more likely to be correct.

[coral gorge]

oncehs

shireno?

and then i have no idea what the other part might be

[solar nova]

Shireno or Shirano is what I'm seeing as well.

Second part looks like ???ND to me.

[coral gorge]

yeah

its like

Ec?no/d

[solar nova]

Could also be UD or VD

[coral gorge]

ecno?

ecnd

ecno sounds plausible

ecud

ecvd

hard to tell

[solar nova]

Found another version.

[coral gorge]

shirano

thats almost defo shirano

with the a being a bit destroyed

[solar nova]

??oud I think?

[coral gorge]

oh yeah

maybe... ?coud

[hollow sage]

It's also present on the Hydrogen MCFC cell

[coral gorge]

so its on the 2 power related things (reactor and power cells)

and the matter wave projector

or is it just on the warp gate?

and not the actual matter wave projector

[hollow sage]

Maybe they are responsible for power grids or systems?

[coral gorge]

yeah

and i mean making a warp gate surely needed such expertise

[solar nova]

Just the warp gate, to my memory the MWP has Insight-related writing.

[coral gorge]

explaining their logo on it

[coral gorge]

would make sense

[hollow sage]

What is Nyxos

Or I am reading it wrong

[coral gorge]

what

[hollow sage]

It's like everywhere like CNTRL

[coral gorge]

wow

its group

we are dumb

shirano group

or

[solar nova]

Shirano group

[coral gorge]

shirfno

it could be shirfno group

[hollow sage]

You know those canisters and the disinfecting station has nyxos Or something written on it

Is that another corp

[solar nova]

Nyxos is much better known.

It's in a few logs setting a backdrop for what suppliers Santonian wants.

[hollow sage]

Oh

[solar nova]

Basically just setting up that they value secrecy.

[hollow sage]

Secret corpo stuffy

[coral gorge]

i mean Garganta was on the verge of being illegall before it was even built

like the president of mexico was literally bribed for santonian to get the right to build it

and then well... human experiments and stuff were also im pretty sure illegall

[hollow sage]

I was playing R3 yesterday, encountered the sleeper mother or whatever that is for the first time, what the fuck are those wobbly warping testicles on the roof everywhere ?

[coral gorge]

signs there is a mother nearby

[solemn kraken]

Mother eggsacs

[coral gorge]

most likely

or her shit

that is a possibility too

[hollow sage]

Oh so readymade sleepers and other abominations are gonna pop out

Shit

[coral gorge]

or its her shit

you never know

[hollow sage]

Warping poop

[solemn kraken]

Not really. Cause mothers only spawn baby's

[hollow sage]

Testicle sacs

[hollow sage]

Yeah that's what it was conflicting, if not womb sacs then wtf it can be

[coral gorge]

these might be a survival mechanism

to lay some eggs further from the mother

to decrease their chances of being destroyed should the mother be attacked

[hollow sage]

Yeah that can be something

Not eggs but a whole sac

[coral gorge]

wait

[hollow sage]

Not fresh smol baby

Big boi in sacs

[coral gorge]

can you send a photo of it?

cause im pretty sure i know what you mean

but from the descriptions it sounds like respawn sacks

[hollow sage]

This thing

[coral gorge]

okay yeah

these might be mothers eggs (or her shit)

[hollow sage]

Bro it's at that point that we are all totally okay to believe that it can be her poop 😹😹

[coral gorge]

overall these almost exclusively only apear when a mother is near

[hollow sage]

Yes a shit ton

She also like screams

When entering the zone

[coral gorge]

i think only in R3C1 they apear but there is no mom

[hollow sage]

Got me fucked up for the first time that jumo scare scream

[hollow sage]

Yes

Only egg and charger

[solemn kraken]

she does not scream in R3B2 tho

[hollow sage]

Yeah I remembered, she was sleeping

[coral gorge]

i still remember trying to foam nade her and it going straight through

[hollow sage]

But like who tf is the mother tho infected pregnant woman?

[coral gorge]

perhaps

we dont really know

we know it has a face

[solar nova]

They seem to morph into their own forms based on their needs, just they're using the human body as a baseplate.

[coral gorge]

yeah most likely

[hollow sage]

Yeah kind of a faint smile, popping out the cross section I saw it too, it was quite a detail

[coral gorge]

since they operate on a hive mind

[solar nova]

So, it's presumably some kind of nesting strategy of sorts.

[coral gorge]

they become what the hive mind needs

[hollow sage]

Ohh

[solar nova]

Still opposed to the use of hive mind here, it's just a colony.

[coral gorge]

i mean its kinda the same thing

but i suppose hive mind implies mental connections

and they dont really have that

[hollow sage]

They have collective senses, can say hive mind

[coral gorge]

i mean... do they?

its hard to tell

[spice hinge]

Can't be hive mind cause we killed kraken and the game goes on. Checkmate.

[coral gorge]

i mean the kraken is just one

[spice hinge]

Yeah

[solemn kraken]

Kraken is just a big infected

[coral gorge]

yeah

[hollow sage]

I used to think it is, doesn't scout calling reinforcements count?

[solemn kraken]

Also kraken is destination species

[coral gorge]

and i doubt it even had a conenction to earth by any means

[spice hinge]

Like how in Dead Space you kill the Hive Mind in the end but infection still persists.

[coral gorge]

its technically just a very loud scream

[hollow sage]

What is a destination species?

[coral gorge]

other dimension

[solemn kraken]

yeah cause it's not the have mind it's the markers controlling them

[solemn kraken]

the species coming from destination

[coral gorge]

destination is a diffrent dimension, which apears mostly in R6

[hollow sage]

Oh chief

Oh

[solemn kraken]

R6 and R7 3 new type of enemies

[hollow sage]

So not earth baseplate based?

ET?

[coral gorge]

nope

[spice hinge]

Is the desert actually called "Destination?"

beyond just Alpha_X?

[solar nova]

Right, all of the flyers are either neutral forms or based on something else.

[solemn kraken]

yeah but nothing to write home about

[solar nova]

That's just the name based on I think a level name?

[coral gorge]

im pretty sure alpha_X is the name that was used by scientists

[hollow sage]

And also what is the ceiling bisomass in charger room, it kund of reacts to light the same way, how tf is it that much, dripping. How is it even created?

[solar nova]

But "Destination" or "Destination Alpha" is just meant to be a neutral term for the place we go that doesn't assume anything about dimensions, planets, time travel, etc.

Oh, R6 was titled Destination.

[coral gorge]

most likely some other parasite thing responsible for creation of chargers

[solar nova]

It was the name of the rundown.

[coral gorge]

yeah

so people just use it to talk about the dimension as a whole

or technically its a planet in a diffrent galaxy but you know...

[spice hinge]

This is a noob question but is it confirmed it's like a manmade virus or actual alien life?

[coral gorge]

alien

[solemn kraken]

Was about to say. Cause the dimension stuff extends to earth as well as shown in R6D4

[hollow sage]

I kind of think like the black biomass drips constantly on the sleepers, slowly accumulating keratinous growths, hardening shell and armor, is it something like this, or the biomass is just infected human juice from a parasite creating chargers?

[coral gorge]

it could be sleepers after coming into contact with it become chargers

[hollow sage]

Cuz it always dripping

[coral gorge]

it was in destination before humans were there

[solar nova]

It could go either way.

Chargers could also just be defending it.

They are just a heavier striker, after all.

[spice hinge]

I take it the chargers are "closer" to one of the more 'actual' forms of the species, along with more out there enemies like flyers and what not.
Strikers and shooters still retaining human characteristics.

[hollow sage]

Yeahhh

[coral gorge]

i mean we can theorize tanks and pablo are older chargers

with pablo literally being ancient

[spice hinge]

Another parallel to dead space funny enough. Necromorphs further along are darker in color and look substantially less human.

Prob took as influence low key

[hollow sage]

I mean whatever the environment throws into this fucked up evolutionary genome blender, they all come up as diff fucked up species, if these were given a half life treatment of a nuke, imagine the fucked up stalker shit

[coral gorge]

tbh i wouldnt be suprised if the virus didnt already adapt to survive radiation

cause we dont even know if destination is its origin

[solar nova]

Dauda's description of it makes me feel like it's more likely a bioweapon than merely well-adapted, though.

[coral gorge]

i mean its hard to tell

due to how long it existed for

it could have simply evolved to become an absolute menace

[solemn kraken]

chargers have human heads

[hollow sage]

Also I saw preserved wrinkly degloved body skin something resembling of a sleeper in R3A1 labs in the cylindrical containment, are those the ET species that escaped, if yes Santonian was researching over it, till it became a disaster??

[spice hinge]

I'm gonna be real that seems the least human part of them.

[solar nova]

Viruses don't typically evolve in the direction of an ideal pathogen, though, they're just reacting to available hosts.

[solemn kraken]

Nah if you look real real close, the whole face is there

[hollow sage]

Spiky bois

[solar nova]

This would apply to any organism as well, including the sleeper "colony"

[solemn kraken]

they human based

[spice hinge]

If that's true then that's brutal.

[solemn kraken]

it is

[coral gorge]

i mean still, if it was originally preying on some alien civilisation it surely had to adapt to extreme treatment

[edgy pecan]

i think that all of destination is alive beneath the surface, like the shell on a giant flyer

[coral gorge]

i doubt it would have stopped the virus

looking at (og not alt) earth even though sleepers were only in Garganta, the virus still wiped out humanity

[solar nova]

The ultra-powered up version did.

[hollow sage]

Also who is Schaefer, I've seen you guys talk about him a lot. I listened to his log yesterday. Was he a KSO? Like was he getting voices from BIOCOM Or warden?

Can give me a mildly non spoiling version pls

[coral gorge]

he was a prisoner just like us, but he broke his program

[hollow sage]

He Detroit become human'd himself

[solemn kraken]

R6 - R7 he starts talking to us directly

[coral gorge]

also he did questionable things to poor madox

[hollow sage]

No shit

He alive?

[coral gorge]

yeah

somehow

[hollow sage]

Alright rahta enough, I think anything more than that will spoil

[solemn kraken]

Alt R1D1 he is still at morse code. the pipes being hit in the corridor to the reactor

[coral gorge]

what did the morse code translate to btw?

cause i kinda forgot

was it just "go deeper"

[edgy pecan]

behold, the piece of shit rock that caused all this

[coral gorge]

i mean not really

[solemn kraken]

Don't remember there was also a message in OG R4B1 which is technically the first time he contacts us

[coral gorge]

the virus arrived on earth with the asteroid

[solemn kraken]

that's just a sample

we have multiple MWP confirmed

R6A1, R7C2sec

[solar nova]

And I'm not saying that GTFO couldn't go a similar road as Subnautica, I'm just saying that sort of plot device may be a bit contrived while a bioweapon explanation avoids most of those problems, at least in my mind.

[hollow sage]

Wait you're telling me there is someone alive beating metal pipes in R1D1, how can we not see him?

[coral gorge]

echo

the echo is what we hear

[solemn kraken]

You never seen him, even when talking it's over the intercom

[edgy pecan]

the material was originally from destination, the meteor was from an alien race that fell victim to the virus

[coral gorge]

i suppose so, but then who would make it

[coral gorge]

yes, but the aliens brought it to us

[edgy pecan]

i know

[coral gorge]

even if no one went to destination the virus was already on earth

[solar nova]

Presumably the allens. They do have highly advanced tech after all, at least to our knowledge.

[coral gorge]

well they fell victim to it too

so their tech sucked

[edgy pecan]

how do you think the aliens got it?

[coral gorge]

could have been from an entirely diffrent planet/dimension

could have been a natural virus

could have been a covid scenario

[solar nova]

Not necessarily. If you consider us rn, if we really wanted to we could easily annihilate ourselves with nuclear weapons and such.

[solemn kraken]

Welcome to R8 Destination 2

[coral gorge]

watch it be just that

continouation of alt R6

[solar nova]

It's possible that they were able to design a bioweapon that they couldn't in-turn answer.

[solemn kraken]

Nah I expect the new environment to be the core/ship/thing

[coral gorge]

i suppose so, this wouldnt explain the parasite tho

[edgy pecan]

if only we had a weird dimension that could have allowed for such a virus to evolve into a symbiotic relationship with a parasite in

[coral gorge]

we dont know if it was destination

like i said

[solar nova]

Arguably worse than nuclear weapons, since we actually tested and used them w/out ending the world.

[coral gorge]

oppenheimer be like

[solar nova]

If you let out NAM-V on accident, it's just over.

[coral gorge]

like i said, the only thing about it being a bio weapon i dont understand is the parasite

did they make the parasite too?

that seems like an actual suicide

[solar nova]

Presumably it's just how it's engineered. The virus alone doesn't do much besides kill people, so they need the parasite to carry it and spontaneously create massive colony structures out of the target population.

[coral gorge]

hmm tbh maybe the colony structures were an accident

[solar nova]

The artificial extention of the parasite's life is also striking to me.

Kind of feels like the virus was designed to enhance their chosen vessel, which may have itself been naturally occuring prior.

[hollow sage]

A parasite to disgusting ceiling goo, if given more resources, another hell on this planet.

[edgy pecan]

we know the virus came from deep in the meteor, we also know that it was deadly to the aliens who built the egg, the aliens who just happened to be fleeing their planet in a ship filled with the exact artifacts needed to acess another hostile dimension.

[solar nova]

I would definitely be more willing to think that the parasite is natural than the virus.

[coral gorge]

i still dont understand how this makes destination the source of all evil (NAM-V)

[edgy pecan]

that could make sense, we dont have much info on the parasite, but i still highly doubt it

[hollow sage]

A 50/50 handshake between my parasite and my virus to give me a sleep of the millenia.

[edgy pecan]

?????? how?

[coral gorge]

is that not what you are implying?

that if not for destination, nothing would have happened?

[edgy pecan]

YES, in what world is that not the case?

[coral gorge]

we dont even know if destination is the home world of the allens nor the virus

it could just be that not all allens crashed on earth

cause i doubt only a singular ship escaped

[edgy pecan]

we know it is not the homeworld of the allens, but we know it is the homeworld of nam-v

[coral gorge]

how is that

where do we know from that the virus originated from destination

[solar nova]

My reading of the "fossil" is that they wouldn't even need to flee necessarily. If something like the MWP can be used to go to and fro, the place(s) they visit may have been hit while they were away, and they accidentally brought it on-board. From there, it just continued its natural trajectory until it happened upon Earth.

[edgy pecan]

just read the pinned lore for dummies

[edgy pecan]

possible, but the origins of the virus and whatnot remain the same, and since their vessel had a machine to completley purge biomaterial, i would assume it was meant to escape

[solar nova]

Also, not sure what Frostty said specifically but we probably don't know that Destination is the ultimate source of sleepers, it's just likely to be the most direct source relative to Garganta.

[coral gorge]

yeah

we have no idea if nam-v originated on it

if we were to say its a bioweapon it literally means it could have simply been a testing ground

[edgy pecan]

oh my gosh, go read the lore for dummies already, he said sleepers, not nam-v

[solemn kraken]

Ask frossty if there is a log backing it up

[coral gorge]

i dont mean him, i mean you

[solemn kraken]

otherwise it's just assumption on his part

[coral gorge]

you said its the source of all evil

[harsh saffron]

It's basically implied because they explained that, in order to stop the virus, we would have to reach the planet it originated from. And then they go to "destination". That's it.

It makes sense, but its never "confirmed" directly

[solemn kraken]

well there we go

frossty's base

[solar nova]

Frostty is engaging w/ the lore the same as most of us, that doc is just meant to be a quick introduction since the total source material to pull from is quite daunting to people that started in R6 or R7.

[edgy pecan]

oh, bad timing i guess, but still makes no sense, if it were a bioweapon, why develop it in an active mining site? and why were all the allens dead then

[coral gorge]

wait what active mining site

[edgy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-22596911

[coral gorge]

i mean that it was tested on destination (just like nukes irl)

and then the allens went ahead and used it in their homeworld

[solemn kraken]

there are sites on destination.

[coral gorge]

alien or human?

[solar nova]

Not Allen, tho.

[harsh saffron]

"I see no future for us if we do not seek the origin of these lifeforms and find an immune genome. If we are to survive NAM-V, we must turn to the nature that created it. Evolution has had millions of years to fight the virus. We have months. "
Thats the quote I meant btw

[solemn kraken]

But if @edgy pecan means garganta then no. that's earth and not destination

[coral gorge]

yeah

thats why i was confused

do we mean garganta as an active mining site or things on destination

[edgy pecan]

oh, you mean the allens developed it? nope, still makes no sense, they just happen to stumble on an alternate dimension as a virus leak happens, not buying it

[coral gorge]

i mean that the virus was created by them

destination was used to test it

[solemn kraken]

It's confirmed we did not develop it

[edgy pecan]

thats what i thought he was arguing, which would have been really dumb

[coral gorge]

no

[solar nova]

Doesn't even have need to have been tested, just needs to have gotten out of a controlled environment.

[coral gorge]

yeah true

[solar nova]

Also Cubix disagrees w/ me afaik.

[coral gorge]

do i

[solar nova]

Do you?

[coral gorge]

i dunno

do i?

its funny cause all i wanted to say - that destination might not be the reason why nam-v ended on earth

and then it kinda went down the rabbit hole of being a bioweapon

[edgy pecan]

it is still massively unlikely, the allens possessed tech far beyond our own, and even we can survive in destination pretty easily, so it wouldnt have been deployed unless they were absolutley sure it had no effect on themselves, and if it was an outbreak, the timing is ridiculously convienent

[solar nova]

What about the timing is convenient?

[coral gorge]

destination could have gotten nam-ved well before the allens did

for any reason

[solar nova]

The only thing that stands out to me is that the fossil hit Earth and not literally anything else if not nothing at all.

[coral gorge]

i mean maybe other ships hit diff planets

not in our solar system

[solar nova]

^ Could be a lot of ships.

So lots of chances to crash land.

[coral gorge]

i would be amazed if only one escaped

[edgy pecan]

likely

[edgy pecan]

thats possible, but at that point its kind of splitting hairs as we know nothing about the virus or destination prior to the allens

and again, given that it has symbiosys with the parasite, the most logical conclusion is that it originated in destination

[solar nova]

My idea of the bioweapon idea, personally, is something like:
-It breaks out of containment, is used in war, or otherwise begins to spread on its own in at least one place that the allens inhabit.
-From there, it transmits through individuals or some medium carried through the MWP technology, infecting other places that the allens inhabit (Destinations, Fossils, etc.)
-The fossil we encounter is one such victim, and the entire things has been adrift carrying the infection for potentially millions of years.
-At some point, it hits Earth, and millions of years later we're fully unearthing it.

It could have started on Destination, but it could have started anywhere.

It could have even been held on a fossil initially.

[edgy pecan]

seems like an awful big coincidence

[solar nova]

I'm not really seeing the coincidence.

[edgy pecan]

i prefer the "we messed with stuff we didnt understand and opened a portal to hell" explanation

[edgy pecan]

the virus outbreak AND hostile extradimensional beings at the same time all on one ship?

also we see the same pustules on the kraken as we do on mutated humans like mothers and tanks

[solar nova]

Hostile extradimensional beings?

Are you just suggesting you think Allens in general are unlikely?

[edgy pecan]

flyers and krakens, if not the planet itself

[solar nova]

Wait, what's coincidental here?

The flyers are there because the virus is there.

[edgy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/angai313-luigi-luigi-reading-gif-22148197

they aint mutated humans, and they aint mutated allens

[spice hinge]

allens

[edgy pecan]

they are called allens

wasnt a typo

[spice hinge]

Was this in the dummy guide?

[edgy pecan]

ye

[solemn kraken]

yeah he infected as well

[spice hinge]

Oh crap it is.

[solar nova]

We don't know that, tho. Allens would explain them neatly, and a neutral form is also fine.

[spice hinge]

That's the name of them, supposedly?

[solar nova]

Being a bioweapon doesn't preclude them from having a neutral form.

[edgy pecan]

they only show up after the portal to destination is opened, there would have been corpses , or living specimens if they had been on the egg, but Schafer calls them "something new"

they arent allens

[solar nova]

Schaeffer calls the snatcher something new.

[harsh pike]

he's talking about the snatchers

[solar nova]

That's a misreading.

[harsh pike]

I had the same misconception when I first played because shaeffer raves about "something new, something not human" then you get attacked by floaters

[solar nova]

I can't believe they pulled an R3C1 again.

[edgy pecan]

oh, fair enough

[solemn kraken]

yeah snatcher, you hear the sound as well when he sees it

[harsh pike]

(will also never forgive the devs for butchering the amount of floaters on that level)

[solemn kraken]

And that makes sense as snatcher first appearance is R7C1 while the flyers appear in R6B1 a whole rundown before him having that text

[edgy pecan]

we should still see them prior to the portal opening though, the allens had lots of specimens preserved, but we dont

[solar nova]

Ehhh, we haven't gone very deep, and presumably they've come to prefer terrestrial forms over the past few million years.

[solemn kraken]

not if all specimens on the fossil are dead

also yeah depth

[edgy pecan]

they arent, the virus clearly survived on something, and they have a collection of preserved biological specimens

[solar nova]

I'm also not sure what the conclusion is that we're meant to end up at.

Wouldn't this just imply that sleepers and flyers are completely unrelated?

But that's obviously not the case, so...

[edgy pecan]

how is that obvious, they look nothing alike

[solemn kraken]

Ok but they are contained to the deeper parts where we haven't gone. then R6B1 happens and oops now They can come from destination

[solar nova]

Same warped mouths/teeth, noodle-like appendages, decayed eyes, etc.

[solemn kraken]

In the sense they infected by the same thing

[solar nova]

^ Twisted shape of a different base creature.

[solemn kraken]

destination native. probably

[edgy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-giga-chad-lego-giga-chad-meme-gif-26528700

[edgy pecan]

exactly

[solar nova]

Also, they fight alongside sleepers constantly, so...

[solemn kraken]

Yes so this explains why we don't see em pre teleport

[edgy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-office-exactly-bingo-gif-13025505

I know they are infected, i know they aint human (what i meant by looking different) and if they were allens we would see them pre r6b1

[solar nova]

So you... don't agree?

You've agreed with DJ twice, and disagreed with him at the end.

[solemn kraken]

I admit I am confucius

[edgy pecan]

you know allens arent destination native right?

[solar nova]

No, we do not know that. It wouldn't be far-fetched, though.

[edgy pecan]

yes, we do know that, read the lore for dummies

[solar nova]

What is Frostty refering to that actually demonstrates that?

I'm not even sure if Frostty has said that.

Wait, isn't this literally what I'm saying?

Our story begins with a species of ancient, hyper advanced aliens from another plain of existence. In one way or another, this species, the Allens, either create or come across NAM-V and the Parasite.
While there is very little information on these events in the timeline, we know for a fact that their planet and civilization was wiped out by the virus and the parasite, with the survivors fleeing to earth.
However, the virus and the parasite had already made its way onto their vessel, and the crew was swiftly either killed or infected. Their vessel which would later be known as the Fossil, or the Inner, would warp into our reality and crash into the earth, landing in the Yucatan peninsula, and wiping out the dinosaurs.
In the 16th century, earthquakes in the Chicxulub region releases NAM-V into the environment, spreading outward from the village of Ixil, and killing the local populous. NAM-V would later be referred to by them as "Flea Demons".
Luckily for all life on earth, at the time the region was far too isolated for it to spread, and it quickly consumed all its food, and died out.
However, this section of the "For Dummies" Document is called "Pre-Apocalypse" for a reason.

[edgy pecan]

the allens were from a planet in our dimension in NGC6302, as confirmed by the santonian website hidden code

[solemn kraken]

Sooo?

[edgy pecan]

then the lore for dummies is incorrect

because we are told for a fact the allens are from our home dimension

[solar nova]

There are bits here I'd probably disagree with, but I'm not sure where the broad picture is coming from.

[edgy pecan]

let me find it, hang on

[solemn kraken]

Destination has never been confirmed another dimension

[solar nova]

^

[solemn kraken]

So what's the problem

Destination is that other planet

[solar nova]

Trans-dimensional stuff is involved, but the MWP doesn't necessarily bring you to other dimensions.

The log describing this is notoriously hard to understand, as well.

I would not lean very strongly one way or the other.

But iirc it implies that you can use extra dimensions for FTL travel in your own dimension.

[solemn kraken]

Yeah the different dimensions and Destination is 2 different things as shown with R6D4 and with the Alt's very existence inplying in the Alt timeline/dimension there is another Destination as well