gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

can't do. Destination is also completely infected and devoid of life, and with the floaters, both nam-v and the parasite were there together before they were on earth.

again, weither the allens actually made nam-v or not, it wiped out their entire civilization.

[plush nest]

From a realistic point of view it would have to be a bio weapon of some kind most viruses don’t evolve to have such a high fatality rate, but I don’t think that applies to nam-v since it has a some kind of relationship with the parasite

[eternal talon]

The parasite that we had previously attributed as the primary carrier of the virus is, in my opinion, merely another victim of this remarkable lifeform. - Dauda

the virus didn't always have the parasite as an infinite-fuel tank.

presumeably it would have been easier for the allens to control since it'd just eat itself to death

depending on if it being exposed to the parasite was an intentional act or an accident resulting from a previous outbreak

[plush nest]

So it could have been a bio weapon that the creators lost control over is what you are saying

[eternal talon]

yes, and a dozen other things. we simply lack a lore-given answer. i'm simply theorizing based on what little research we do have from hammerstein and dauda.

assuming it was a bio-weapon designed to wipe planets of life so the allens could later colonize them, (as evident from the numerous specimens in the inner from varous worlds and universes), i doubt they'd intentionally include the parasite, that'd make later colonization impossible

[lilac island]

why were dauda's noclip abilities never explained in the lore?

also, he LITERALLY was standing in the air, he wasn't loading in

but that also was after 7 hours of this game running non-stop

[eternal talon]

same reason this scan circle on destination was never explained in the lore.

its a bug.

[lilac island]

if you only had dauda on your team he could fly there using his powers

[plush nest]

it reminds me of like underwater footsteps and that other sound reminds me of something falling from the atmosphere

[stone vine]

yeah basically in realistic terms it was def created but that’s as far as we get unfortunately

that’s where i was stumped beforehand

bc i was confused as to how this virus would just be there to kill ppl bc that’s literally not possible no virus will continue to kill forever

like in mass

especially one that is known for adapting that fast

whole point of viruses is they don’t kill

then i was told of the allen stuff

and it made way more sense

[stone vine]

i wish hammerstein died earlier

😒

if he even is dead

he’s literally the worst stereotype u get out of the science community

dauda did almost all the work and bro reworded it and moved on with his life like 💀

dude the dauda memory reveal arc is gonna be INSANE

bc as soon as he remembers it all he’s literally going to know everything and he’s going to know he did it 😳

bishop and dauda r super essential assets for the end of gtfo i assume

i’d say that’s the reason our team + schaeffer are so familiar with where we are and canonically don’t die like it’s probably that we do kind of know what we’re doing and where we are we just can’t put our fingers on it

schaeffer traverses around the complex with little to no issues and he used to be an engineer that helped in building it

[stone vine]

the only thing that could possibly even back up the fact it isn’t a bioweapon is if it was a non pathogenic virus

even then it’s still crazy

and makes almost no sense due to the fact it needs parasites to turn ppl into sleepers

so it couldn’t really be it was spreading in order to “advance humans into a better prehistoric survivor”

it wouldn’t be killing them then unless it just spread so fast that even it’s insane adaptation rate couldn’t stop it from killing

[stone vine]

sorry is that a giant red circle

in the middle of the sky

[eternal talon]

below the cliffs, but yeah. it's an out of map bug. its the extraction scan back on earth

[eternal talon]

honestly most of the stuff he copied and called his own was stuff from rebecca stokes and her team

she was in charge of destination based research/expeditions

dauda was the guy doing research back home to try and find a cure or at least how it spreads in an attempt to minimize the risks.

hammerstein... did a couple expeditions to go collect stuff from the inner that other researchers actually studied

most significant bit of the actual research he did was the examination of the very first artifact discovered, and dr richtofer lost his eye in the proccess.

he'd be best described as a graverobber, not a scientist.

just because "he discovered it" he got to put his name on it and now earth's very first contact with extraterrestrials is forever known as the start of the "hammerstein collection". and honestly, credit of discovering it should go to the mayans, since they had to deal with it first.

[past matrix]

its actually supposed to be hinting at the next rundown

[eternal talon]

Been a long time since you've been here warden. How you been?

[past matrix]

been busy with irl stuff

unfortunately lost more and more interest in GTFO the more alternate realities and whatnot came into play

[eternal talon]

Yeah that checks out. A lot of it is just increasingly getting more and more complicated.

Alt//r5 included new backgrounds for some of the squad and changes to all.

Like dauda's kso-ification, for example

Really wonder how they are gonna do alt//r6 or r8

Still nice to see you though.

Some of the others like punk and daraxus haven't been here in years.

Same thing with merv

And skyrope's been gone for a while... rayalot too

Kinda lonely

[stone vine]

ur so real

[low folio]

perhaps they were just the first ones to encounter it.

people thought nam-v came from a meteor or under the earth right? perhaps alpha is the origin of the parasites

or the parasites are from earth and it was them coming HERE that killed them

[solar nova]

Most of my GTFO interest is gameplay oriented nowadays, and playing almost exclusively with fellow sweatlords.

Most of the lore lately from what I've seen is just wrapping up everything set up by R6 and R7, doesn't quite have the same feel anymore.

And a lot of the time I would have filled PuGing I just don't have the same interest for, so just in general my attention is elsewhere much of the time.

Too much dead weight from the average random to keep the harder content non-tilting to play, and that's just the most entertaining content rn.

Mid-difficulty content was more fun AltR3 when we had mega-OP HEL Gun/BC.

It was legitimately you vs. the level.

But now the real shit is 4 people vs. the level

Or at least 2-3

[past matrix]

honestly the main thing thats turning me off from playing alts is that just from playing r1 alt and some of r2 alt, they dont really feel like their originals

which yeah that makes sense but idk its just something about it that feels off

[past matrix]

im always real

[austere depot]

Followed the clue on 'conduit' mentioned by Schaeffer in F12-KLU-YN2.
Leads to mention in log 3P0-R1k-5YT where WRDN refers to it as 'Conduit' Log 3P0-R1k-5YT and BDG-UT3-54HC
"conduit_gather()"
It proceeds to make a list makes a list of "Nyxos_HSU_NN3_unit" (s) which are tied to project rise

Our friend who is not so different from you and I may have been one of these conduits.

[lilac island]

He is the variant after all

[spice hinge]

Sad but based.

[past matrix]

i wonder if its because writers are being more focused on the new game

i mean the general feel im getting is that its a skeleton team working on GTFO atm

[cold sphinx]

1CC POV:

[solar nova]

Could be that also, but my intuition is that the story team is going to be the least pulled away from GTFO of anyone at the company.

It's not that the story itself lacks resources, it's that the story is being mapped onto a game that lacks resources.

They don't have the freedom to space out their reveals/story beats, and they're writing the story with different goals in mind than they may have had in R6 or R7.

[stone vine]

they even said themselves they’re essentially just wrapping up the story via alt bc they’re working on a new game aka they’re rushing gtfo

went from “teehee never giving u old rundowns” to guys look alternate dimensions funny story schaeffer time

like

they’re just throwing it at us

we get so many logs now and in bulk just blatant info that doesn’t reveal anything

like they basically just tell us the lore and put a winky face on the end

r8 better be some insane shit bro

the entire issue with alt too is they can’t progress any of the story through the environment either because there are no new environments

r6 literally 180d this game

gtfo literally had a perfect story it could have gone off of

it quite literally matches up with everything happening irl rn

the actual mining stuff for the crater happened in 2017, ice caps are melting bc of global warming, the mayan “flea demons” alluding to an existing disease aka the spanish flu, chixculub literally meaning demon tick which is actually very useful, lots of shifty organizations popping up (ocean gate to name a very recent one), a whole global pandemic with the highest stress response in history

gtfo could have very much been influenced by way more i mean it’s literally a grotesque spin on the real world but it’s kind of turned into mid subnautica

ppl asked for more story and this game might have well turned into a youtube arg with the substance material we’re being given

(sorry for my extensive use of literally)

anyways

this game is the perfect concept with not so perfect execution

idek what it’s gonna be like post r8

cuz if u wanted more levels go play modding atp

not to say this game is utterly terrible and they didn’t try or anything but it’s just sad to see the direction it’s going in

and 2 games means less work on gtfo especially since they were stressed as hell with their prior workload but now they have some more members and decide to yet again bite off more than they can chew if that wasn’t the case alt wouldn’t just be a copy paste of the old rundowns with a tile scramble and some funky logs 💀

this wouldn’t of happened if they just kept North 😔😔😔

[stone vine]

oh yeah and they had this game written like it was covid before covid went crazy

which furthers my point that this was so close to being such a scary story

it was almost spot on

who’s to say there isn’t freaky shit happening down in that crater rn it’s only 2023 🤔🤔🤔

the mining expedition is not brought up very heavily it’s kept under wraps quite well

viruses are evolving and coming out of the ice i mean there’s even a whole log talking about that

we’re not far from this kind of situation especially with how global warming is allowing things to adapt to our body heat

idk it’s funky but i won’t judge too harshly about what i haven’t seen yet

possibly still some redemption with r8 and alt r6

[lost drum]

Don't expect anything from ALT://R6 other than R6 itself. But R8 will not disappoint in terms of story and locations, I'm sure

[lilac island]

Don't expect anything from ALT://R6 😔

[solar nova]

I dunno about IRL parallels as an important story beat. That's always going to be either accidental or reactive.

Most of the panemic-parallel language seems very much to me like it's a reaction to IRL, but I don't think they they decided to parallel covid on the fly.

It was just events that by happenstance occured alongside a story about a sci-fi virus.

The allusion isn't important to the story much at all.

R6 definitely blindsided a lot of what came before.

Nothing was hinted at.

The end of R3 wasn't explained.

The end of R5 wasn't explained.

It felt like either they'd rewritten the broader strokes, or the reveal was really (and I'd say this is likely) that they'd been spinning their wheels for two years before they'd tell the "real" story, focusing instead on establishing a backdrop of time and place.

and characters, ofc.

[sweet lark]

so if those sleepers were actually humans before this, then what happened to scout, donkey, chicken, charger and giants

and obviously the immortal pablo

and why are we all bold😭

[lilac island]

cuz we r prisoners

[sweet lark]

we could be a handsome prisoners with hair

[lilac island]

and hair (especially facial) can fuck up a seal between a gas mask and your face, so that the air we want to filter, will just slip through the leaks

[sweet lark]

that has a point

as we also some fake hand and leg.

[lilac island]

cosmetics are sadly non canon

[sweet lark]

:”)

[lilac island]

aka no fake arms or legs

[sweet lark]

im looking for pinky cosmestics

and they kept giving me like bags

[lilac island]

what

like

pink cosmetics?

there was a pink colour pallete in r6

[raw terrace]

there is a pink color palette :D

lugubrius!

lugubrious?

... the pink one :]

[sweet lark]

i didnt get it even tho i had completed it

[lilac island]

skill issue

what else can i say

[sweet lark]

hmm, maybe

[eternal talon]

ah yes, the squid game palette.

[cold sphinx]

Where

[eternal talon]

r6 compelting every mission. lugubrious

[cold sphinx]

Oh

What would you expect Alt R6 changes to lore wise

[eternal talon]

i have no idea.

og r6 was such a massive lore dump that i can't even predict

[burnt wren]

Well first things first... Gotta check the USA lock down announcement in A1. See if it's different.

There was a couple of state of truth logs.

And of course... Mimic.

[cold sphinx]

Yeah

The mimic is definitely gonna be different

Lets see if it has more visual and reveals

To make it as a continuation from OG R6

[stone vine]

such a big lore dump it changed the trajectory of the entire game

😭

like r6 was crazy

that’s why i’m concerned for alt r6

and it’s almost alt r6 time we r like a month away at most

[charred vault]

same mimic from new fnaf? is this real?

[cold sphinx]

maybe...

[eternal talon]

No. The mimic was the community name for unit 22 before we found out what it was.

It's that ugly mo*******ker in r6dx

[stone vine]

i think its very cute

dont diss jrungle like that

[short star]

Somehow i always imagine schaeffer to look and act exactly like Ron from GTA5

[past matrix]

real

the amount that's been backtracked is INSANE

only real ogs remember the stamina controversy 🦾

[harsh pike]

I mean backtracking on the no-old-rundowns was a good idea

[topaz hollow]

unit 22 was the neonate from r2/r3, was it not

[cold sphinx]

No idea

But it would make lots of sense

[eternal talon]

Given how fast they mature, the unit we processed in r3 would be in their 90s

In other words, no way

With the new boosters we get in r7, u23 grows from an infant to an adult in less than 30 seconds

[topaz hollow]

I mean

Look at unit 22's corpse

Then look at real 90 year olds

And listen to his voice

[final sentinel]

Iirc Unit 22 has a lot of voices

[topaz hollow]

Do you reckon the whole project rise thing was for Kovac to get new KSOs faster

jesus that is a cursed pfp

[final sentinel]

:)

But yeah iirc Unit 22 is technically the thing speaking in that one log with all of our overlapping voices

@eternal talon i can’t remember what you said about that one log

[peak quail]

There should be a mod that moves that guy into the family guy death pose

haha very funny very cool

[past matrix]

its most likely not

we didn't use the neonate to grow someone anew

we used it in order to inject DNA into it so that the Warden could have more access over the complex

[eternal talon]

yes.

cheaper than making people dissapear from USA federal prisons

cheaper than 2+ years in hsu before even being useable

many reasons

[past matrix]

i still really hope the big twist in r8 is that the Warden was having us grow it a body in r7 and it's like an Invincible robot situation

[eternal talon]

KDS, as they are affectionately known by no one, has reportedly been recruiting operators (read: criminals) from state run prison systems with abandon in the last few years, and not all of that recruitment is voluntary. Indeed, they are suspected--

HOPO-BCD-002-L.LOG

[eternal talon]

this one? it was to help train units how to speak

[topaz hollow]

cheaper than collecting war criminals and blackmailing people

cheaper than having a random dude slap himsef into hydrostasis

[eternal talon]

Cheaper than multi-national gaslighting

[short star]

It was why i never purchased the game back then, $60 for constantly removing content isnt my vibe.

[burnt wren]

But it's also 60$ for constantly added new content too. It's not like the game has any replayability save for enjoying blowing up monsters.
Then again you would have to start early to really git a mileage out of the game.

[eternal talon]

Hold on, you guys paid $60 for this game?

Afik it was like $30 when I bought it

[burnt wren]

It was 1500 rubles for me with a discount on v1 release, which is basically 40$ to us vibe wise. Most AAA projects are 2000+

[eternal talon]

I don't think it was discounted back when I bought it. It was way early in early access. I could go try to find my steam receipt

[loud urchin]

I can't remember how much it was for me, certainly less than £20 from a certain website though, probably was £15

[muted cliff]

i got in on sale on like 7/9 this year for 20

[short star]

Adding new content while removing old, essential, content is not what im going to be paying for in anything ever, regardless of replayability.

Besides, the rundowns used to have a timer before it was removed for good, meaning im forced to play the game when it wants me to and not at my own leisure, i ain't gonna be paying for that as well. I can only afford to play with my friend for 2-3 hours max each night, and then we can go for days or weeks without playing after that.

The game is already hard enough, i don't need to be further punished by being forced to follow a schedule or be forced to miss out on what i've rightfully paid for.

[finite vine]

well they are adding the old content back

[cold sphinx]

More like revamping the old

Makes it more confusing every time you look into it

Honestly OG R5A3 had me at more context than Alt R5A3

[toxic wagon]

Ain't gtfo 40$

Even then. It was cheaper back then

When rundowns were being removed.

Back around OG R1 I recall getting it for 14.99

[cold sphinx]

40 bucks?

boi whadda hell boi

[toxic wagon]

It's on sale atm.

But without the discount. Yeah. 40

[lilac island]

i bought gtfo for 40$

[raw terrace]

ah yes the true ending of gtfo lore

[bleak delta]

i can’t believe scrat would do all these things

[tame goblet]

Scientists in Garganta were trying to grow the seeds for the RISE project before everything went to shit, why is the WARDEN still trying to accomplish this now that Garganta is abandoned?

[cold sphinx]

Might be because of its objective stacks still active

And no protocols were made to cancel it out should Garganta be abandoned

[tame goblet]

If I recall the WARDEN makes its own objective stacks?

[cold sphinx]

Could be embedded into its primary objectives

The scientist could have installed it before the Warden had a self made objectives

[tame goblet]

Do we know where the sleepers were coming from when the complex went to shit?

Something about teleporting?

[cold sphinx]

I think teleporting was before the overrun in the main sector

[tame goblet]

because whatever caused all of the massive holes in the complex was an energy burst from the inner supposedly aimed at all of the sleepers

[cold sphinx]

No way could the stable tether at that time could cause a major end of the world scenarios

[cold sphinx]

Units (imo) could have been misplaced and not all grouped up so they were likely wiped due to underestimating the monsters resilience

You see how hard it even it to try and navigate or even hold a fight without so much risk in fogs

Personally i dont have leads on how the surface was wiped out of human life

[tame goblet]

Do we know when that specimen shaeffer killed was made?

Clearly a failure of the RISE project

[cold sphinx]

But it was in R6

And R6 was prep for Rise wasn’t it?

It could have been prototypes and starting experiments that successfully survived the initial creation

But lacks all the functionality of it was supposed to be

[cold sphinx]

I would picture it as a under coded AI from scratch

With either soul nor intelligence (very slow learner)

Robocop but dumb

[tame goblet]

I wonder if the neonate in RISE R7D1 was successful or not

[cold sphinx]

It was

The chamber that accelerated its growth

[tame goblet]

Yeah but the point of RISE was to create a person who had adult cognitive function

They could already grow people, but their minds wouldn't develop properly

so there's no way to find out if RISE was successful atm

[cold sphinx]

If it failed then the thing inside would spew into a pile of flesh and yucks

[cold sphinx]

No

Rise was supposed to create those ppl

And led them on teat run

In order to make a disposable unit

That could be recreated on the go

So my point being

We create them and the scientists that were on the project would test them and they will learn over time

But obviously it didn’t have time

[tame goblet]

I've just been reading the lore logs. One of them states that they want to achieve adult cognative function for the seeds

[cold sphinx]

Yes

If R8 we have to babysit a thing like that

Would make my point true

[tame goblet]

so you're speculating

[cold sphinx]

Would love to have NPC type to folow and be helpful

And also watch over what the prisoners do

A tier it sniff resources, hides
B tier : being bots but instead of meleing or shooting it shoves enemies
C tier it can hold ur guns and shoot
D TIER: ITS BASICALLY YOU BUT BETTER
E tier become god and beat the shit out of the warden (literally hacks into its systems and free us all)

[tame goblet]

wtf

ok but that's all speculation

[cold sphinx]

Yes

I need content

R8 would feel like that imo

[tame goblet]

bruh GTFO ain't gonna turn into Sons Of The Forest with that NPC flipbook whack

[cold sphinx]

Yes

[tame goblet]

"Collect ammo"

I watch as BOT Unit 23 goes to find ammo packs

[cold sphinx]

Turns up every 10mins and give you and team free ammos

Or

It could spew a pheromone that basically a door glitch for enemies

That would be so broken

[eternal talon]

we don't know.

[eternal talon]

assuming the warden is human-made, and not allen in origin, which we cannot say for certain is the case.

[cold sphinx]

yes

but in the time like that

[eternal talon]

the allen ship deep below garganta, the inner. that, and the infected miners mostly.

[cold sphinx]

allen

[eternal talon]

think iron lung and the lambent from gears of war

[eternal talon]

not something we have much info on i'm affraid. we only have one example of this (not floaters), and it didn't behave like a sleeper.

[eternal talon]

we don't know how many were produced before the fall of garganta, but i wouldn't think it would be in any number anywhere close to KSOs. kovac and their researchers never managed to iron out the kinks with them having the mental capacity of children, leaving units' brains stunted

this is still an issue, given what we see and hear from u22 in r6-r6ex

[eternal talon]

we know this quite well actually, even in our original worldline. miners got infected after two scientests ignored quarantine procedures regarding an excavated allen passage, and those miners were sent to relaxation camps on the surface along the coast. nam-v got into the sea and presumeably into the natives, and from there spread out into the gulf of mexico and further north.

america was hit first, and with a state-of-truth log, we know the average death toll there over the course of three years post initial outbreak

[cold sphinx]

dang

[eternal talon]

nam-v first appeared asymptomatic aside from hightened mental stresses, so Santonian saw it fit to give its miners more time off at these camps.

nobody knew what hit them until a very large population was infected, inside, and outside of garganta

like a game of plague inc. going fill virality before pulling the kill switch

as to the reason why it didn't just go insta-rambo upon encountering humans, my only guess at current was that it needed time to adapt to us to begin to infect us the same way it did on destination to their natives.

as to why it didnt do that when the mayans encountered it... i don't know.

[eternal talon]

no.

[eternal talon]

eh, its the common outcome. they could all be considered failures in a way.

[eternal talon]

its simply baby with adult body.

@rocky wraith can get into the details about how what we see in r7d1 and the like regarding their development is... incredibly impossible given everything we know about modern medical science.

[eternal talon]

bingo

[eternal talon]

not necessarily. if you build a boat but dont install a motor, you still have a boat, despite how incredibly inneficient using oars with it would be.

[cold sphinx]

thats what i pointting out off

it still works

[eternal talon]

just nowhere near what it's potential is.

[eternal talon]

at this point with schaeffer's active rebellion, i doubt warden would trust us with training its new units.

i mean, we directly disobeyed orders in r7d2. if we weren't the most valuable quad it has, i'm almost certain it'd've had us killed already.

[eternal talon]

i agree. too much in scope compared to what little development time gtfo has left.

[cold sphinx]

does it know?

[eternal talon]

i can't actually answer that question.

[cold sphinx]

wasnt it lost track of us on this level in particular

[eternal talon]

because we continue to fuck around and do work for schaeffer instead of the warden in r7e1

we still dont know how we got into alt.

[cold sphinx]

yeah

[eternal talon]

i'd assume we are working for the warden right now,

but i dont know if this is the same warden, if it knows, or whatever

[cold sphinx]

the Warden might have the same idea or just said "fuck it let him cook"

[eternal talon]

its the problems with multiverses in storytelling

anything and everything is possible, impossible, already occurring, and has occurred.

[cold sphinx]

yes

but we are on 1 world

that we have a pretty good standing point

but speculating other worlds that had it different

prob best to let ALT R6 goes

[rocky wraith]

me!

[shell forum]

What happend in after r4?

Like did Warden just gained the control of the complex?

[eternal talon]

Wdym?

[eternal talon]

Warden had full control over the complex years before the game even began.

I highly recommend you read the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel to get yourself caught up with the lore

[normal abyss]

hey lore people

i have a question

why is there hotdog

[shell forum]

Oh sorry

[normal abyss]

lore wise

[strange grove]

the hotdog is a lure for the grease goblins, who will come out and suckle upon it, allowing them to be easily captured

[normal abyss]

ty

[eternal talon]

Why must you lot be this way...

[eternal talon]

Don't apologize. I'd be happy to answer or elaborate on anything it doesn't.

[cold sphinx]

"why not?"

its a free place

[eternal talon]

didn't used to be.
#gtfo-lore message

[strange grove]

those really were the days

[queen gazelle]

back in my day

[lilac island]

do we know how the outside world's doing with this virus

is it just us in the complex that are suffering like this to prevent the collapse of civilization or

is the world dead and the warden is having fun

[clear furnace]

Its probable at this pojnt that there is no human population left on earth

more than likely actually

[lilac island]

why are we doing what we're doing

nobody knows i guess?

is the warden trying to cure it or something

[clear furnace]

We have no idea what the Warden's goals are. My theory is that its trying to exterminate the biomass that seemingly encompasses the facility.

"Obviously there is some sort of immense biomass that spans the entirety of Garganta. Idk what to call it but the black biomass that we see in multiple levels I think is all part of one big "biostructure". I think that when an area gets empty of sleepers, more would emerge? be created? from this biomass. This is especially evident when in R7E1 we actively see sleepers emerging from the biomass during the reactor startup. However I also think that this biomass is collapsing in on Garganta. In R7E1 we saw more of this biomass than in most other levels, it also happens to be the deepest level we have been too. Meaning that we are closer to whatever the center of this biomass is than ever before. That same biomass we see in the reactor startup may be blocking off an entire section of the complex and has closed in around it. This thing is massive and if I had to guess, whatever the Warden's goals are, are probably related to this structure."

[lilac island]

i was wondering on the meaning of those different bottom designs on rundowns

on r7 the bottom is big and brown

in others its blue

and sometimes small

is it supposed to represent the bottom

sometimes it isn't even there

So the lore is from the pov of the prisoners right

we only have access to information that they would stumble across

no outside news broadcasts or stories

[clear furnace]

There is this one radio station we get can read brodcasts of called truth fm

On the GTFO wiki you can find every log if you want to read them for yourself

[lilac island]

should i?

will it spoil anything, i'veonly done 2 missions

[clear furnace]

The logs themselves dont really spoil anything gameplay wise that I can think just give more story. However if you really wanna avoid spoilers perhaps stay away from R7 and R6 logs since that's when the story of GTFO picks up.

[lilac island]

thank you

also is it worth it to like, go find them organically

in terminals

[clear furnace]

Sure it always feels cool to read the lore for yourself in game. Maybe dont go out of your way to find every single one but keep an eye out for em.

[raw terrace]

theres only like one log that explains gameplay, and tbh its super useful and everyone should read it

[lilac island]

its interesting to see the sheer volume of games and movies that rely on "mysterious hyper infectious disease"

i feel like it's gotten very popular as a style to build a universe

[lilac island]

which one is it

[raw terrace]

um lemme get it

haha equis de

[lilac island]

that's smaller than i expected

[eternal talon]

...

I don't know why you were never linked the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel

[queen gazelle]

It ain’t about the size of the log but the movement of the ocean

[eternal talon]

It is the go-to resource to help getting Into the lore

[lilac island]

well

i just read the dummies text file

this is depressing

literally everything is dead except our brainwashed guys in the complex

and we're just the pawns in a chess game because two computer programs

ouchies.

[eternal talon]

Yepperu

Deppresso espresso

[short star]

is there any significant difference between the OG rundowns and the alt versions? Lorewise.

[burnt wren]

Significant? No. Not at the moment.

I compared every single log and differences are... Irrelevant.

Various events of the game take a month earlier or later than they used to in original timeline...
One of the Santonian big wigs had a daughter instead of son...
Most character seem to be a more lot jumpy and unhinged than they used to... With sole exception being Woods who chilled out instead and acts like he knows The Plan.

Probably the single largest difference is that Alt Schaeffer received a major promotion and had a lot more going on for him than his OG variant. He also appears to be somewhat smarter and less unhinged.

[raw terrace]

wasnt there a whole deal with multiverses and how bishops mask was duplicated, and how it might b an alternate timeline or idk what?
idk if thats cause of alts or cause of, normal gtfo lore

well the last part is obvious

why did i wrote that

i am an idiot

[burnt wren]

I was just about to say...

Oh there are TWO more notable differences.

First of all: the UN expedition and its' misadventures, including confirmation that sleepers are sighted on the surface. None of that was present in the OG.

Two: an audio log of an interview of local psychiatrist with one of the Santonian workers is COMPLETELY different.

In the original - she was talking to a guy who was clearly losing it and she was trying to find a way to help him.
In the ALT - she talks to a woman worker instead and the interview ends with the worker experiencing... Something. Like she started mutating right then and there.

[short star]

ah, ok, thank you. Im glad it's just wasnt a massive retcon and more of minor improvments to the logic of the plot.

[short star]

do you have the log ID for this?

[burnt wren]

Nope.

[short star]

i know i've read it before i cant rmb it right off the bat

thats fine i will search for it later

[burnt wren]

OH!

And Dauda got KSO'd differently

In the original he climbed into an HSU completely by himself, somewhat understand what it does.

In the ALT he seems unaware of what HSUs do and gets basically coerced into one by Woods instead.

[burnt wren]

XMN-GBB-8B5
from ALT R4
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_4.0_Logs

[short star]

Thanks a lot!

ah yes i remember the male version

[burnt wren]

Nothing interesting happened in that one

But something went clearly wrong in new one

[short star]

yes it was just him rambling or something, this one is much better

yummy bone cracking flesh splitting sounds at then end, sleepers and their split face

[lilac island]

i found the exact foregrip the Heavy SMG uses IRL

it may be missing the bottom cut out, but its the closest match i could find

[harsh pike]

it's the fortis Shift grip i think

that looks like a knockoff of it

I like that the guns are all weird looking and futuristic but some just have exact copies of RL grips

like the bullpup rifle sporting the Magpul RVG foregrip

[leaden olive]

Yeah after listening to Alt R5 890-KUJ-T65 this makes alot more sense

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_5.0_Logs#890-KUJ-T65

[plush nest]

What does the d lock block cipher mean?

[burnt wren]

My wild guess its the name of whatever cryptographic system garganta uses for data encryption

[quick grove]

R5A3 109775243056246849 https://discord.gg/APzVjKjjWG

[eternal talon]

MERV!!??

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

[raw terrace]

a reunion, and with r5 of all rundowns qwq

[cold sphinx]

who is merv

[eternal talon]

An old friend

[cold sphinx]

from an by gone Era

[lilac island]

Who are allens

In the txt file for lore there's some allens in there

[harsh pike]

silly alien fellas

[lilac island]

Is it like a group of people that are all named allen

[harsh pike]

if only

[lilac island]

It says allen like 2 times

[harsh pike]

its a running lore joke

[lilac island]

Not alien

[raw terrace]

do u know how it started?

[harsh pike]

nope

[burnt wren]

Its a funny way Frosty came up with to deferentiate "aliens" (which technically counts for sleepers because NAMV and Parasites are alien in nature) and "Allens" - the suspected / presumed alien race that ran into a scuffle with NAMV before

[raw terrace]

qwq

[lilac island]

That's nice

[burnt wren]

Its their shit that the scientists kept finding in the lower levels

[lilac island]

The lore cobfuses me

[harsh pike]

it confuses everyone

[lilac island]

The company's decisions mainly

They discover a totally lethal illness with a massive infection rate

They tell nobody

Once people start dying business continues as usual

Just keep drillin

Who are they gonna sell iridium to

[harsh pike]

i don't think santonian knew what it was for a little while

[burnt wren]

What can we say... Big bad evil capitalist corporation is an easy excuse for writers

[lilac island]

Everyone's dying

[harsh pike]

i.e. why it was getting dubbed 'the garganta flu' / etc

[lilac island]

Yes but like

Later on

They're actively fighting sleepers WHILE DRILLING

Like still drilling

[harsh pike]

wasn't there some part in the lore where Kovac took over garganta from SI

oh damn I didn't know that part

[lilac island]

I think so

I just read the dummy lore txt

The actions of the company confused me

Because everything is going to shit and they're still digging down there if i understand it right

[harsh pike]

i thought it was they were forced to keep going by kovac

[burnt wren]

We're gonna put that one on "bad writing" for now

[lilac island]

Why would Kovac force them to continue digging

[burnt wren]

Having KOVAC and Santonian making smart decision would mean humanity doesn't die

And writers didn't wanted that

[harsh pike]

no idea

[burnt wren]

They were adamant on humanity going extinct so here we are

[harsh pike]

I also thought it was only in the alt timeline that just-about-all of humanity was gone

[lilac island]

It would be so much better if instead of warden just using prisoners as toys we actually were doing this to prevent an outbreak

[harsh pike]

i remember reading a log in r7 where it said only half of the US had been wiped out

[burnt wren]

The last confirmed log from a person is like 10 years old

And with how insane NAMV is - at best theres last percent or two still kicking somewhere

[lilac island]

Probably some tribes

[harsh pike]

i feel like the only happy ending this game could have would be the 4 of us escaping to an alternate dimension where NAM-V never got out

[burnt wren]

Does dummy file refferences the multiverse shenanigans

[lilac island]

Yes, barely

[burnt wren]

Right

Warden is aware of it

Very much

[lilac island]

It says it's not gonna get into it because it's very confusing

[burnt wren]

He's a multiversel player

[lilac island]

Warden is a nerd

[burnt wren]

He keeps hijacking garganta in millions "membranes"

So he's playing a very big game

[harsh pike]

why did this game have to start including alternate universes

[burnt wren]

It could be saving humanity... But just as easily could be not.

[lilac island]

Yeah wtf

[burnt wren]

I guess its very fun for writers to play with

[lilac island]

I think they wanted to rationalize and include the ALT rundowns as something that actually happens in universe

[burnt wren]

But none of them can play it properly

[harsh pike]

yeah, which was a shame

just having them be simple remasters would be fine

[lilac island]

Yea agreed

Multiverse is just eh

[raw terrace]

i mean the universes stuff didnt started since r6

before

alts

?

[harsh pike]

did og r6 talk about alternate universes

I figured the lore just went 'alien planet. here you go'

[burnt wren]

Not directly, BUT!

[raw terrace]

butt

[burnt wren]

We had mandatory audio logs that were RANDOM and would change from playthrough to playthrough

I genuinely believe that was the first major hint

[lilac island]

Also

If namv is so infectious n shit

And incurable

[raw terrace]

and namv

[lilac island]

fog

[harsh pike]

nam-v is the deadliest virus the world has ever seen

now excuse me while I just

[lilac island]

Infection meter

[lilac island]

Yeah

Like

Is this some proprietary hand sanitizer or

[harsh pike]

yeah

[lilac island]

Prototype cure

[raw terrace]

infections not namv

[lilac island]

What is the lore of this

[burnt wren]

Convoluted

[lilac island]

Infections of namv

[raw terrace]

infection is another, thing, idk what but it is another thing i think

[burnt wren]

Some people who are in the know claim that it could work

[harsh pike]

inb4 they pull the biggest fucking twist of all time in r8 and the 'logs' talking about the world ending were planted there

[lilac island]

What just pneumonia or something

[burnt wren]

It doesn't cure you, but it at least chills out the virus to the point where your system is not being overloaded with foreign agents

[lilac island]

That's still massive

[burnt wren]

We are always infected by default anyway

[raw terrace]

sure

[burnt wren]

The HSU pods slow down the virus progression by a lot, but its still there

[lilac island]

I don't think so

[burnt wren]

It kills in approx 3 weeks

[harsh pike]

hsu's kill the virus

[lilac island]

How

No they don't

[burnt wren]

Eh

its 50/50

the logs are quite iffy on that

But it does do something

HSU do technically kill us as well

[harsh pike]

its in one of the logs, they say the only way to stop nam-v infection is by hydrostasis or a bullet to the head

[lilac island]

When starting the game you can see infection

Some are fine

[burnt wren]

It basically puts you into forever sleepe (a.k.a. death) and then preserves your body in some highly big brain water that doesn't allow your body to rot

Then they just wake you up with a special chemical cocktail and vuala

[harsh pike]

and if they don't, you go feral like a 40yr old man at mcdonalds

[burnt wren]

Sideeffects: memory loss, headache. Because your brain still was kinda dead and that's not good.

[harsh pike]

RIP maddox

[lilac island]

If it wipes your memory then this whole ordeal is surprisingly humane

[burnt wren]

Supposedly HSU kills everything inside us as well, including both the parasite and even namv

But then we immediately get infected again because sleepers, duh

Anyway

NAMV causes death in 3 weeks.

[harsh pike]

if the warden would give us better gas mask filters we wouldnt have to worry about this

[burnt wren]

Now compile how much time KSOs spent outside HSUs through all rundowns

[lilac island]

Wake up

Intense, massively traumatic PTSD inducing experiences

Sleepy time, forget

Wake up, not being traumatized

[burnt wren]

If we take average clear time of something like 1 hour per expedition and multiply it by amount of levels...

About 10 levels per rundown, 7 rundowns... 70 levels...

[lilac island]

Probably has none because it's a nerd

[burnt wren]

70 hours. You can round it up to 100 if you want.

[harsh pike]

cheap ass can't send us in with full ammo, but AI-targeting sentries and hollow point .50 BMG snipers are fine

[burnt wren]

Estimated death time = 24 x 21 = 504

[lilac island]

They're not at maxed ammo

[burnt wren]

Accounting for exposure before events of the game...

[raw terrace]

i mean a sniper has like 5 bullets droppin in

[burnt wren]

We're maybe half-way through to our deaths

[harsh pike]

i mean the fact we get gear like that at all

[lilac island]

Gear is recycled

[raw terrace]

ah well i would guess they had an armory before it went to shit and warden was like 'HEYYYY'

I COULD USE THAAAT

and it did

[harsh pike]

mf was like "mmm don't mind if I do"

[raw terrace]

'is for me?'

[lilac island]

How many soldiers does the warden have access to

[burnt wren]

There is one explanation why warden doesn't send us at full ammo

[harsh pike]

after r5e1, enough

[lilac island]

Full auto?

[burnt wren]

LIST ZONE command works from any terminal for any zone

[lilac island]

Not enough I'd assume

[harsh pike]

except if they're not relevant to the level then the zone doesn't exist

[burnt wren]

Warden most likely commits pre-expedition scans and goes "oh, there's ammo here, here, here, and here..."

[lilac island]

Yeah but it doesn't have arms to go grab it

[harsh pike]

counts on us to go get it

[burnt wren]

"Estimated ammo expenditure to clear the objective: this much. So i can deploy them with X ammo and then they can just loot local supplies. If they don't: too bad, natural selection, yadi yada, i'll find someone better."

[lilac island]

It's so hilarious that such a powerful entity is relying on us

[burnt wren]

what do you think soldiers are for

[harsh pike]

its kinda funny how little power the warden actually has

[burnt wren]

I mean that literally

What, do you think, is the job of a soldier

IRL

[harsh pike]

like when you play r1d1 and it tries to inject priviliege to shut down the reactor and gets rejected

then tries again on r5d1, fails again

[lilac island]

To receive massive PTSD

So our gas prices stay where they are

[burnt wren]

Soldiers exist as an auxilary upgrade to guns they operate

Guns are cool, but they have a massive lack of features. Such as: legs to walk around, eyes to see, ears to receive commands.

Soldiers compensate these features and get paid for it.

[lilac island]

I mean that the warden is like an elite surgeon with some rusty old ineffective tools to work with

It's super smart

[burnt wren]

The day they can make a gun fully autonomous and not utterly re!@#$ soldiers will no longer be needed.

[lilac island]

It knows what to do

[lilac island]

This is what i mean

The limiting factor of the warden is us

[burnt wren]

That was a big plot point of rundown 6 actually

And rundown 5 too

[lilac island]

And by a lot

[burnt wren]

What do you think Mimics are for?

[lilac island]

Idk what that is

[burnt wren]

Alright, give me a moment

[lilac island]

You've been typing for 5 minutes straight

[raw terrace]

c:

[burnt wren]

In rundown 5 we were busy growing some test subject. Collecting pheromones for it, putting it into various machines to wake it up, pump it with chemicals, yadi yada.
In rundown 6 that thing grew into a humanoid creature that could walk around, speak (albeit badly) and - most notably - it is invisible to sleepers except for scouts. According to Schaeffer that is, who observed said creature in the wild and even had "conversations" with it.
Unfortunately he quickly caught on that the so called "Mimic" was a puppet of the Warden and Schaeffer really doesn't like him. So he ended up killing the poor thing with a pipe.
In Rundown 7 we were actually trying to grow a new one, before we got distracted by adventures of Schaeffer and his new friend Henrikson.

Now the big question is: why would Warden be so adamant on producting these creatures?
The answer is obvious: they are so much better than us.
The fact that they are invisible to sleepers and can get around the facility without having to expend days worth of ammunition to get through a security scan makes them such a superior worker drones.

Think about: none of our objectives ever involve actually killing the sleepers. They are just an obstacle to what we are actually doing: starting reactors, generators, hacking security access, acquiring various materials.
If Warden can create an army of artificial soldiers who can do all of that WITHOUT having to kill 300 sleepers in the process - it will save him so much headache.

[lilac island]

Yes

Makes lots of sense

I guess he'll succeed in r8

[burnt wren]

Uh, problem

Henrikson succesfully hacked BIOCOM in R7D2

R7E1 was Schaeffer's objective, not Warden's. A test run.

Warden is currently molding and seething because he just lost control of the situation.

[lilac island]

It's too late for brain activation

I need to enter my hsu

[eternal talon]

oh god notifications... its always a million at once

[raw terrace]

:>

[eternal talon]

it is the temporary name for the species of aliens who created the matter wave projector, the artifacts, and sent the meteor to earth in an attempt to escape destination which was (and still is) overrun by nam-v and the parasite

we dont have an official name for them yet.

[eternal talon]

yep. i agree. play stupid games win stupid prizes

[eternal talon]

its an ingredient in expensive chipsets. think INTEL or AMD, computer electronics stuff. and it is extremely $$$. i'm pretty sure the doc mentions its average price per troy oz

[eternal talon]

this was before they knew what it was and really started analyzing it with the help of the project insight team. it had many names by the SMC staff. The garganta flu, like you mentioned, the stoops, etc.

[loud urchin]

I don't recall any baby related missions in r5, if that's what you're talking about

[eternal talon]

yes. they did when the situation started to get out of hand and even worked with the mexican government to gain total control over the entire region, both above, and below ground, having martial law declared

[eternal talon]

yep. that's not really the workers fault though. at this point the global economy is collapsing and dreyfus industries are trying to squeeze what little they can out of what is down there. both in terms of materials, and in terms of digging new tunnels to allow insight to send expeditions to catalogue the artifacts they recover down there

[eternal talon]

we are all infected. every second we are out of hydrostasis we are continuously being re-infected. if we leave, we take it with us. there is no happy ending.

hydrostasis in and of itself is just a lazy explanation in-lore as to why nam-v hasn't killed us yet.

but it is, i assure you. slowly.

the progress and the mutations it makes cannot be reversed. there is no natural immunty, either.

[eternal talon]

a little bit but i intentionally didnt go into that much detail because of how much a clusterfuck it is. i figure answering questions on a case-by-case basis would be more efficient in that regard

[eternal talon]

yes. destination is in a different universe. time fundamentally flows differently there. it is 85x faster.

[eternal talon]

no cure. 100% certain of this. if it existed, warden wouldn't be bothering to continue the abandoned work on the rise project.

part of warden's modifications to rise are making the units invisible to the sleepers. something it wouldn't need if it could be cured entirely

which, given their state, would also imply that they've been made to be immune by being spliced with nam-v itself

but i still wouldn't say units are a "true" solution to the problems at hand.

[eternal talon]

infection fog is simply areas of incredibly high concentration, and possibly, the parasites, though we have even less information about them than we do nam-v.

[eternal talon]

^

[eternal talon]

i thought it was 5. did alt// change it?

[eternal talon]

brain slushy.

[eternal talon]

i'm still not entire convinced that our masks, gas masks or not, would be sufficient. we have constant skin exposure. one of the logs mentions the parasites being able to eat through haz-mat level protection

[eternal talon]

not neccessarily. hydrostasis isn't a switch. memory loss takes time. we still likely have memories of the past ~5 or so missions when we go down. when a KSO is first introduced into the program, they usually have to go under for at least two years before being considered "ready" to be deployed and even so, woods still has his faith, and even after 1 year, bishop still remembered his hatred for davies, though that's been smothered now.

you can hear proof of this in the original squad audio logs back before r6.

[eternal talon]

at maximum capacity and assuming zero deaths, 32,000. so to be generous, i'd say ~10,000

[eternal talon]

not to mention the entirety of r5 is a build-up to r5e1, getting it access to kds-deep, which it didn't previously have access to. that is where 24,000 of the 32,000 ksos were housed. before r5, warden was running by with at most 8,000 ksos.

[raw terrace]

me when me when me when

[eternal talon]

when schaeffer beats you to death with a lead pipe

as per r6dx audio

[harsh pike]

i think there's definitely some outfit combos that would be more defensible against it, but wouldn't last cause any damage taken would probably rip holes in it

[eternal talon]

cosmetics aren't canon, i mean c'mon, prosthetics.

can't just cut off and re-attatch your leg and arm when you decide you don't want to wear that vest anymore

[eternal talon]

considering alt//, we are back under the warden's control. it set back the clock to before this happened -- to now.

https://tenor.com/view/zawarudo-gif-18636464

[eternal talon]

i agree. artek is probably thinking of r3

[loud urchin]

ye, r3 and r7 prominently featured the child

[eternal talon]

warden almost certainly be playing god/messing with allen stuff to stop schaeffer from meddling. alt// in its entirety is a super counter to schaeffer finally getting what he wanted. a leg to stand on against it.

i wonder how alt//r7e1 will go down. will we reset... again?

or will schaeffer find a way to prevent whatever warden did

given schaeffer is now active as early as alt//r1d1.

he's gotta be scheming, even if he isn't telling us

[loud urchin]

Thought we've been told that there will be no alt r7?

[eternal talon]

we dont know anything about alt//r6 or alt//r7.

nor r8

[loud urchin]

I'm fairly certain we've been told that there won't be an alt r7, it's alt r6 and then we're through to r8

[eternal talon]

just that r8 will almost certainly be the last rundown, as its the last thing that was ever published to their roadmap

[eternal talon]

i've not heard this. sauce?

[loud urchin]

maybe we get snippets of lore elsewhere that elude to different r7 lore, like an alt

gonna try find it in server history now

[eternal talon]

maybe they plan for r8 to be alt//r7.

given if something major doesnt happen, warden will za warudo again

because.. why the hell wouldn't he?

schaeffer is literally trying to kill it so he can break free and escape to a world he doesn't know is a barren wasteland

daylight squad or not, the warden is still keeping the surface levels locked down. and i'm not actually sure that daylight even made it deep inside. iirc the logs stop at the surface levels of garganta

garganta is literally like 1 and a 1/4th miles from top to bottom

[harsh pike]

maybe the fashion world in gtfo's universe is just *very * aggressive

[eternal talon]

making me think of quake 4's stroggification

[harsh pike]

"Those shorts will cost you an arm and a leg!" "Haha that's a good one-why do you have a hacksaw?"

[eternal talon]

"The "Sharp Teeth" cosmetic wasn't talking about the sleepers..."

[burnt wren]

The discussions just ignites in a moment and then burns for a while. Its never 1-2 casual messages, its always a rabbit hole.

And yes, i easily confuse objectives of various rundowns.

They're all the same in my head.

[eternal talon]

i love reading it nonetheless.

[burnt wren]

I think it was Rundown 2... That's where we acquired the baby... And then...

[eternal talon]

its okay.

[eternal talon]

we got bby in r2e1 and worked with it through all r3

i think we ended up leaving it at the end of r3

so what happened to it is kind of left up in the air

[loud urchin]

yeah end of r3 it has a halo and you put it in a machine and it never comes back out

thank god, I don't like children

[harsh pike]

you hook it up to the car battery

[burnt wren]

Right, R5 was gaining access to KDS deep.

How could i forget.

For some reasons all HSUs are just the same ones in my head

Big ones, small ones

[eternal talon]

the machine in r7a1 is the exact same setup/machines as in r2e1

will never cease to confuse me how nyxos got their hands in manufacturing stuff for the most top-secret projects on and OFF the planet

i mean, they aren't even IN garganta. and yet their stuff, unknown to them, was being used on a different planet -- in an entirely different universe

if the world wasn't dead that'd be insane pr

[burnt wren]

Have you by any chance hacked that particular bit of the planet? Any hidden secrets in there?

[eternal talon]

like the cave? nothing there.

you can freecam into all the geometry in modded, but didn't really need to. you can run there with a decent chunk of time to spare

and if you run the opposite directly its all just invisible walls and super low texture quality sand

most interesting destination stuff imo honestly would be the doors you can see in r6bx that lead deeper into the staircase of death

it shows they actually had proper facilities built on destination

[burnt wren]

Which is a whole other insane thing

How fucking long were they there and how comes they didn't got melted by NAMV

[eternal talon]

also haven't mentioned it in a REALLY long time, but the bx/dx site and alpha two are near to eachother

you can see the same mountains in the distance

[burnt wren]

I mean its probably just the same skybox because making 2 would be too much work

But eh, could go either way

[raw terrace]

nono qwq they close

[eternal talon]

i mean technically, yeah

[raw terrace]

i like this detail

[eternal talon]

but they did make different mountain skyboxes for this one in r7

[burnt wren]

Wtf is going on with that grass down there

[eternal talon]

which, granted, you cant really tell much skyline,

but this one is certainly a different desert

[burnt wren]

We need more screenshots of that

[eternal talon]

it appears most like the common Syrian Thistle while not budding

here is another shot

[burnt wren]

Huh

2 possibilities

[eternal talon]

but i'm way more interested in the ancient calcified plant stalks

[burnt wren]

1. Devs were lazy and just copypasted a real plant
2. Its actually a hint that Destination might actually be just very fucked earth

Which also would explain humanoid sleeper presence

[eternal talon]

we dont live in the butterfly nebula tho

[burnt wren]

I mean... Does it really matter?

[eternal talon]

yes.

[burnt wren]

With the whole multiverse thing and shit

[eternal talon]

we got exact coordinates to it for a reason

[burnt wren]

Maybe its a very, very, VERY far version of an ALT universe

[eternal talon]

and both the coords, and destination, were long before alt

but given multiverse and infinite realities.. it pains me i cannot definitively disprove you.

its the annoyance with the multiverse

but i'd still say the evidence stacks against it, like the moon for example, is the same size in the sky as the sun

[burnt wren]

Moon?

[burnt wren]

Sorry, i spent very little time on R7E1 so i really didn't had time to look around during the desert bit

[eternal talon]

both these pics are from r6. i didn't actually bother to look in r7.

[burnt wren]

I should replay that level sometimes

Wait what

[eternal talon]

were you not here during r6?

[burnt wren]

When was the night mission in R6? I completely don't remember it

[eternal talon]

the caves in r6c1 and the cliffs in r6d1

there were multiple

you can see top left of the pics

[burnt wren]

R6C1 was day

[eternal talon]

no

[burnt wren]

Was it not?

It felt like a day

[eternal talon]

the first two jumps was night

the last jump was early morning/sunrise

85x faster, remember?

[burnt wren]

I literally didn't notice

I now remember that R6D1 was night, but i don't remember the moon being there

Again... Gamers don't look up. And neither they pay attention to skyboxes.

[eternal talon]

i dont have a pic of the sky from the last jump, but from below the cliffs you can see its significantly more illuminated

[eternal talon]

i love exploring and learning

i genuinely dont play gtfo for gameplay

[burnt wren]

I would like to pay attention, but i just get sucked into gamer routines

[eternal talon]

i dont really play it at all anymore tbh

just research and master the lore

[burnt wren]

I become so tunnel visioned on securing objectives that i just stop paying attention

[eternal talon]

alpha one on the cliffs was in a pretty bad state, too

falling apart

parts of it were literally just left on stilts

[raw terrace]

give ammo to the plant

[eternal talon]

i have soooo many plant pics

[raw terrace]

pat the plant >:3

[eternal talon]

hmm...

similar, but not quite

does anybody have a pic of the cave entrance in r6a1????

more ancient plant stalks btw

[cold sphinx]

You only get 15 secs of time there if i remember

[lilac island]

isn't that an extraction scan?

[burnt wren]

That is what he was screenshoting, but it also happens to be a neat screenshot of lighting

[eternal talon]

*she

[burnt wren]

Right, keep forgetting

[lilac island]

what hsu does to a mf

[muted cliff]

I opened gtfo and saw this. You've made me mad for years to come.

[lilac island]

If you leave people in hydrostasis long enough can they forget to breathe

[burnt wren]

maybe...

[eternal talon]

I mean don't really need to play to study the lore. Everything is accessible in the files with the right know-how, and I have plenty of access because of my experience in modding

[cold sphinx]

Ye

Frostty is here to mine the lore

[eternal talon]

And even without, the wiki team updates it when stuff comes out.

[cold sphinx]

Break it down and make good gems for lore

[eternal talon]

And people race here day#1 to get all the lore that comes out

[eternal talon]

Only the especially annoying stuff, otherwise I wouldn't bother. If it isn't visible in gameplay/without cheats, it's almost certainly not canon

[cold sphinx]

Ye

Oh wait

[eternal talon]

I mean I've seen shapes that look like allen ruins in the distance of r6b1 but I wouldn't call that out as confirmed because it could just as easily be due to how low quality the textures are out there and how your not meant to fully see them

[cold sphinx]

The bottom in R6 when we move under some pathway above

[eternal talon]

It's like fallout 3 dirt textures bad

[cold sphinx]

Which B level was it again of R6?

BX?

[muted cliff]

You've still upset me and I won't listen to reasoning

[eternal talon]

Bx was the surface level of alpha three.

Dx was the underground portion

[cold sphinx]

Oh

Alr

[eternal talon]

Cool. Join the list.

[eternal talon]

I'm not sure. I'd think so, it depends.

[lilac island]

Are those spikes at the edges of the bottomless pit steel or bone

They seem organic

[eternal talon]

According to my mum, babies come out knowing how to breath since it is a reflex, so it wouldn't be lost

For ref she is a director of nursing and has been working in related fields for twenty years.

Just happen to be nearby rn while she is working consultation at a law firm

[burnt wren]

Steel that got blown outwards when the beam accident happened

[eternal talon]

So it'd probably be the same for ksos

[lilac island]

Why is it so fucking thick

[eternal talon]

Very interesting question though

[lilac island]

I thought people with Alzheimer's eventually forgot how to breathe

[lilac island]

Ok it's probably my graphics settings then i guess

[eternal talon]

i have no idea in that regard, sorry.

i went upstairs to my pc to go get the pics

[lilac island]

Sorry for the walk

Unavoidable leg usage

[eternal talon]

lmao

some of the pits have been cleared out and are used for freight

[lilac island]

Neat

[burnt wren]

What room is that? I don't remember it

[eternal talon]

weirdly enough though none of the pits we drop down are like that

[burnt wren]

R4E1?

[eternal talon]

donut room. shows up in a bunch of levels

now that i think about it,

what rundown first had those hole rooms?

i'm almost certain r1 didnt have any at all

[muted cliff]

[solemn kraken]

R7C2 ovl

[lilac island]

do you think any humanity is left in the sleepers

Like we dont know how it goes from OK to sleeper

we know that you're ok -> flu like symptoms -> migranes and photosensitivity -> ??? -> sleepers

at what point do you lose yourself

probably when mutations start

or do you essentially expire as a human because of the strain and then the virus brings you back once you're done

most of the brain is gone

after the skull cracks open

[clear furnace]

There was one log where somebody is interviewing a person as they are turning into a sleeper, forget where it is though

or atleast thats what it seemed like

[lilac island]

hm, ok

do all levels have lore logs?

[clear furnace]

usually they have atleast one

[eternal talon]

this is where it gets especially dark -- they don't.

[lilac island]

how do you know

[burnt wren]

I'm not sure we have a confirmation on that

[eternal talon]

the infected do show significantly reduced mental capability and oftentimes insanity, as shown in many of the pre-collapse logs,

but the parasite is what ultimately creates and controls the sleeper

[burnt wren]

First of all the maw head leaves very little for imagination as to what happened to the brain

[eternal talon]

without it, the host just dies.

think about it like NE-A in resident evil 3.

[burnt wren]

I guess the shooters have something to work with, but i don't know

[eternal talon]

the host is still left partially alive without control over their body

[lilac island]

wait there are 2 diseases?

[burnt wren]

No

[eternal talon]

granted, in the case of strikers and such that split the head (and brain) apart to make way for an extended mouth, their capabilities are likely significantly reduced

[lilac island]

then what's the parasite

[burnt wren]

There is a desease and a parasite

They go in hand, but they are separate entities

[eternal talon]

but its possible that shooters, hybrids, etc, are fully conscious

[burnt wren]

NAM-V is the virus that is super infectious and has 100% death rate, there's no cure or immunity. Everything points to it being a bio weapon - normal viruses don't behave like that.

[eternal talon]

i agree, though different parts of the brain do different things and we do not know how much remains in the case of strikers specifically

[burnt wren]

And then there's the parasite who creates the sleepers.

[eternal talon]

assuming its a straight split, there would still be the left and right regions

[burnt wren]

According to Dauda (before he got KSO'd) - he theorises that Parasite is merely a slave of NAM-V.

[lilac island]

why cant the parasite just work without the thing

[burnt wren]

NAM-V uses it as a nother very effective spreading vector, and parasite in return enjoys effective immortality

Hence why the sleepers are still alive years later down there even though there is no food sources in sight

[eternal talon]

additionally, given how the parasite would control hosts, significant parts of the brain stem and cerebellum must remain intact

[burnt wren]

He can. In fact someone found instances of not-infected parasites.

But otherwise their behavior is identical to infected variants.

[eternal talon]

the cerebellum is responsible for things like motor functions, emotions, etc.

[burnt wren]

So either NAMV does not touch their behavior at all, or - as the scientist himself theorised - parasites have some sort of hivemind and currently that hivemind is hijacked by namv

[eternal talon]

things the parasite would need to manipulate its hosts, along with the brain stem

[burnt wren]

He could always just replace it

[eternal talon]

so it depends on what you consider to be "gone"

[burnt wren]

Heavy handed but eh, sci-fi did worse

[eternal talon]

the humans are very much driven insane by nam-v,

but they are still there

albeit no longer in control of their bodies

and with significantly reduced faculties

[lilac island]

didnt we just say that namv kills

all humans

[eternal talon]

nam-v is 100% lethal, yes.

[burnt wren]

it does if parasite is not present

its parasite that creates the sleepers

[eternal talon]

however, it has a quirk with the parasite that causes it to make it, and its hosts, nigh immortal

[burnt wren]

So humanity is fucked both ways

You get namv - your brain gets melted

[eternal talon]

either in a grave or essentially a flood combat form

[burnt wren]

You get namv and parasite - bam, you now have a maw for a head

[lilac island]

you get parasite -

same thing

[burnt wren]

Yes, only that not-infected sleeper lated dies from malnourishment

[eternal talon]

as shown by the floaters on destination, the hosts also attain the immortality the parasite does. (if it wasn't clear)

they've been active for... billions maybe trillions of years

[lilac island]

so called "immortal" parasites when i subject them to a roaring stream of 1400c napalm

[eternal talon]

5,525,000,000 this many years

[eternal talon]

immortal like lobsters, they don't deteriorate

they can still die from wounds, gunfire, etc

[lilac island]

such an overwhelming force

so namv is airborne

massively infectious

completely lethal

and the parasite also makes the dead into sleepers

[eternal talon]

yes. it spreads by every possible vector.

[lilac island]

and those sleepers are immortal from a biological needs standpoint

[eternal talon]

correct.

[lilac island]

and the sleepers can also infect others

[eternal talon]

yep.

[lilac island]

ouch.

[eternal talon]

the parasite is the virus' fuel.

otherwise, it'd rapidly eat all its food and starve to death

the parasite keeps that from happening

it just continously munches on hosts of the parasite that keep repairing themselves indefinately

until nam-v encounters another species or two to munch on.

before it encountered the parasite, intentional or not, it would have served as an incredibly effective bioweapon to cleanse planets of life to support later colonization.

[lilac island]

..yeah

im wondering how you would survive this

[eternal talon]

like how you bomb a house to get rid of a bug infestation then come back when the chemicals are cleared from the house

[lilac island]

yeah

release virus -> it cleans the planet out -> come to planet after a couple months when the virus is dead

[eternal talon]

compared to the allens, we might as well be ants. they are so, so much more advanced than us.

[lilac island]

i wonder if it can eat trees

that'd be horrifying

[eternal talon]

for humanity, it probably isn't. aside from isolated tribes that just never encountered it and people that immediately bunker'd up when shit hit the fan on the radio and was still far far away from them, everyone is dead.

[eternal talon]

we do not know its effects on flora, though given destination, it seems to leave them alone

[lilac island]

do we know if it uh

infect animals too

[eternal talon]

destination has a very large quantity of shrubs and bramble

[lilac island]

i mean it probably does but is it confirmed

wait how are you outside

[eternal talon]

if it can infect humanity, its almost certain, but we dont know.

[eternal talon]

r6b1, its not earth. its the surface of planet destination

i've got many more pics

[lilac island]

that looks pretty nice

[eternal talon]

humanity even has outposts there that insight set up

[lilac island]

that looks... fine

i think you could recycle some waste and get some solar going for energy

people could live there

there are monsters though

[burnt wren]

The only problem is food and water sources

[lilac island]

wood?

[burnt wren]

We know for a fact water exists on that planet - i think you could see some in R7B4 secondary

[eternal talon]

i mean, hey. bishop managed to survive there for two years alone