gtfo-lore

[stone vine]

bishop met alt bishop im p sure so

[eternal talon]

back when they still were refusing to remake old rundowns

[stone vine]

LMAOOO

thats the thing

i think they caved and made alt bc they gave up

and thus had to make allen lore

like

its clear alt was never intended

[eternal talon]

allen lore started in r6.

[stone vine]

yeah

ik

but what im saying is yk how it came in r6

everything

allen lore wasn't a thing previously

they probs talked abt it

realized they had to do something with destination and a bunch of inconsistensies

and kinda just slipped allens in there

its that or they broadened the allen lore a ton when the possibility of alt was introduced

think abt it

what is easier to do than fixing the story if they mess up

aliens and alternate dimensions or fixing the lore

[cold sphinx]

aliens

more content and just pulling all new connected lore into the base game

[eternal talon]

remember when they fucked up the logs and said the inner was 2,000 MILES wide?

[stone vine]

LMAOOOO

see they had to hire a lore team to fix their shitty lore

[eternal talon]

calle confirmed its supposed to be meters.

[stone vine]

thats actually rlly funnt

[dim scroll]

Hmm yes 2000 miles wide

[eternal talon]

honestly at this point it wouldn't surprise me if they look through here to get info to write their lore

[stone vine]

also theres a lot of grammar issues

like

they no english good

everywhere

i found a bunch of like misspellings

things that DONT EXIST

like im pretty sure they make up their own latin

atleast hammerstein does

[dim scroll]

It'll always be funny to me how they made the virus have an R0 of 17

[stone vine]

YES

THAT IS INSANE

[dim scroll]

Like

[stone vine]

like i was saying think covid

took maybe a year

this would take like a month or so tops

[dim scroll]

The virus that propagated the most in human history had an R0 of 3

[eternal talon]

to be fair, they are a swedish company

[stone vine]

well yes

but they made up their own latin

[eternal talon]

english doesnt appear to be an official language of sweden like the US has both english and spanish

[dim scroll]

With a virus like that released in our world we'd be wiped out in a single week lmao

[stone vine]

i suppose

i should cut some slack

its just a little funny

[stone vine]

pretty much

[dim scroll]

Hence why the UN still existing makes no sense to me

[stone vine]

oh yeah and the fact that in alt the virus takes an extra week to start killing people just for funsies

[dim scroll]

It's literally a perfect virus

[stone vine]

like

[stone vine]

oh yeah how are these people still alive and the truth AM guy

[dim scroll]

Takes time to display symptoms (so hard to detect), propagates like crazy and a 100% lethality rate

[eternal talon]

allens

[stone vine]

well 99%

[eternal talon]

aka: deus ex machina the species

[dim scroll]

Without the parasite* it's 100%

With the parasite congrats you're fucked

[stone vine]

yaaaay

[dim scroll]

I recall someone did some calculations

[stone vine]

before i knew abt the allen theory i was getting so confused trying to explain the virus

like

bc what virus just kills ppl

[dim scroll]

There's supposedly more than 99% of the world population that's been eradicated

[eternal talon]

enjoy a life of having your body being piloted by a swarm of parasites, living in constant agony for all eternity

[stone vine]

they dont do that

so like good thing these allens exist

[stone vine]

yes

sounds like a fun time

[eternal talon]

~ 1 million humans left in our original worldline

not sure about alt//

[dim scroll]

Even if the world is saved for some reason

1 million humans 💀

[stone vine]

oh yeah basically everyone

[eternal talon]

still fucked. welcome to the middle ages: part 2

[stone vine]

like asides from sleepers and some humans

[eternal talon]

you know, its kinda surprising they aren't constantly screaming like headcrab zombies in half life

[stone vine]

LMAO i mean in the logs they do before they become blobs?

i mean literally

[eternal talon]

then again... the whip tounge kinda restricts that...

[stone vine]

they scream until the big red blob comes out of their mouth

[eternal talon]

constant gurgling

[stone vine]

and then they become a blob

unfortunate

what doesnt make sense to me is the women

did they also have big red blobs

their heads did not split open

ig theyre luckier

they grow giant bulbs instead

and can spit fireballs

[eternal talon]

im not sure we've seen any female corpses. all of the pre-set ones that are autopopulated on levels are male.

[stone vine]

exactly

do u think they just forgot abt women LMAO

[eternal talon]

even the ones on destination, same reused models

[stone vine]

yes they are exactly the same

also another inconsistency is the fact that sleepers r dead like we can see them

yet

they r supposed to disspeaer

[eternal talon]

until you consider their brain wasn't split in half so they'd be more conscious than the males

[stone vine]

but some dont???

[stone vine]

ah true

probably reversible and more liveable post rna editing tho

thats saying if their vital organs r still around

[eternal talon]

the black/alarm ones do canonically. the white ones dont canonically. different variants of the parasite, like subspecies. in gameplay, both do for performance reasons.

[stone vine]

ahhhh

yes

alright so

wtf

that is rlly weird

[eternal talon]

idk if you played r6, but here is a living adult Unit.

[stone vine]

i did yes

[eternal talon]

the one in r7d1 was a bit of a blob and obscured by the glass

[stone vine]

schaeffer bitch slapped that one

iirc

[eternal talon]

bloodied lead pipe lying near the corpse with a blood trail.

[stone vine]

the one we grow correct

[eternal talon]

yes, unit 23.

this is unit 22.

[stone vine]

there was 24 right

i found a log regarding the unit creation materials

[eternal talon]

u23

[stone vine]

if there is 24 theres 28 in alt

[eternal talon]

not sure if they are made out of order or not, as far as i am aware i havent read about it.

[stone vine]

well theres a log that shows how they r made

like

what u need

[eternal talon]

here is the one waaaaaay back in OG r2 that we dont know the number of.

[stone vine]

ah yes

r2e1

we also slap that one inside of the thing in r3d1

[eternal talon]

we get it at the end of r2 and spend r3 working on proccessing it

[stone vine]

yeah

still wondering like

what that did

we basically used it like a usb

[stone vine]

idk if u saw my explanation for the unitd

[lilac island]

r1 is maintenance, r2 is collecting child, r3 is processing child, r5 is overriding lockdowns to get to KDS deep, r6 is destination bullshit, r7 is another baby and then prisoners fucking warden

[stone vine]

hold on

[lilac island]

what is r4

[stone vine]

i dont remember my memory is ass

oh yeah

[stone vine]

accurate

[eternal talon]

r4 is going completely off coarse to go and get some systems back online

[stone vine]

yeah

[eternal talon]

then r5 is completely unrelated to where r3 left off

[lilac island]

so maintenance x2

[lilac island]

r7 picks up on that part i think

is there even a neonate mission in r6?

[eternal talon]

no, r7 is replacing the unit that schaeffer killed in r6 extended

thats why the line is partially still straight

coming out of the hairball

[stone vine]

partially straight LMAO

[lilac island]

i never played r6

[eternal talon]

r3's plotline is just abandoned

[stone vine]

idk r3 u just kinda use the baby as a usb

for r4

[lilac island]

is there a neonate mission in there

[stone vine]

basically..?

and for some reason the baby spawns a mom

[eternal talon]

destination's pretty, you'd love it. just be careful of squidward

[stone vine]

and that mom seems to come frm r3c1???

anyways basically

[lilac island]

i saw vids of it

[stone vine]

super confusing makes no sense

[lilac island]

i have been to destination in R7

[eternal talon]

not unique. pmoms appear in other levels like r7d2 and r7e1 for a quick in-game example rn

[stone vine]

yes

[lilac island]

B3 secondary

[stone vine]

ik that

but there was a mom in r3c1

and then it goes to d1

and then it comes out when u put the baby in

and then there is also a pmom

interesting level

[burnt wren]

Speaking of squidy... Is that an eye or a nostril, you think?

[stone vine]

eye

[eternal talon]

every trip is to a unique location on the surface though (except e1, going back to r6b1's final zone past the caves)

[stone vine]

sleepers resemble destination's animals

[eternal talon]

eye, black as the others like charger.

[lilac island]

motherly instinct lmfao

[eternal talon]

better view here.

[burnt wren]

That's a big fucking eye

What did it infect....

[eternal talon]

shiny, not a hole.

[stone vine]

also the fact that it throws up meatballs

[eternal talon]

appearance wise it resembles a cuttlefish extrmemely closely

[stone vine]

what a weird animal

[lilac island]

if it has a mouth there is a probability that it mutated from a human

[eternal talon]

buth those are earth specific.. and do NOT get that big

and dont fly

[stone vine]

hammerstein did say these r very similar to marine lifeforms

[lilac island]

krakens fly?

[eternal talon]

yes

like a giant fucking infected aircraft carrier

[stone vine]

specifically the things made of zooids

start with s

i forgot

[stone vine]

LMAO

[lilac island]

that is getting interesting

[stone vine]

and theres a lot of em

[eternal talon]

at least 3.

[stone vine]

wondering if the big bubbles r somehow infected spores

like u said frost

[eternal talon]

we killed one, so at least 2.

[stone vine]

yes

how the animals in destination

r affected by nam-v

[eternal talon]

when we pop all of them it collapses and falls, so either the trauma of having them destroyed make it die and it fell, or they are used as ballasts of sorts.

[stone vine]

u can see 2

in the uhhh

c1

r6c1

[lilac island]

imagine a level where theres a kraken FUCKING STUCK in a room

or two

rooms

[eternal talon]

there won't. they are destination exclusive

[stone vine]

then the game would be too much like subnautica

well

[eternal talon]

if it were, we'd be either in caves or in allen ruins on destination

[stone vine]

theres zones in destination

yes

or they would have to go through the uh

teleport thing

ykwim

how the meatballs got here

[eternal talon]

which im still salty about. the only allen ruins we got is a sandstone boulder.

[lilac island]

flyers alr went through there

[eternal talon]

we accidentally let them in in r6b1.

[stone vine]

who says we can't do it again

[eternal talon]

warden couldn't close the tether and it was a run-n'-gun escape

[stone vine]

it is possible

highly unlikely

[eternal talon]

warden sent another team (probably r6c3) to get it so that we have it again by the time we do r6d1

[stone vine]

but it would be funny

[lilac island]

stupid fucking warden

[stone vine]

warden kinda sucks tbh

[lilac island]

true

[stone vine]

like missions only occasionally go correctly

a lot of the time we do shit that goes wrong

or warden hacks something wrong

or fails

kinda a loser

[eternal talon]

assuming that bit only took us 5 mins, we were gone from warden's sensors for 7 hours.

5x85 = 425=7.083

[lilac island]

R2C2

[stone vine]

love destination time

[eternal talon]

it was probably very unexpected and sudden

[eternal talon]

85x1

wacky shit when you think about it

2 weeks is years.

[stone vine]

yeah its actuallly like insane

[eternal talon]

if we talking how long bishop was there alone during ef01

HMMM, 10CC, WHY BISHOP NO STARVE??

[lilac island]

kraken fight took us like an hour?

[dim scroll]

It takes 5 minutes with a sniper

[stone vine]

well

in our time

probs took forever

[lilac island]

84 hours

[eternal talon]

3.54 days

[dim scroll]

what the hell

💀

[eternal talon]

until we returned

[stone vine]

can u imagine a mission like

[lilac island]

yea 1 hour in destination time

[stone vine]

completely in destination

takes a while lets say

a couple days in destination

when we get back its completely different

similar to how the chargers in uhhh

what level

r7e1?

r gone

because of how long it was

[eternal talon]

3 days on destination is 255 days

[stone vine]

exactly

[dim scroll]

So that's due to destination dilating time like a fuckton ?

No wonder they disappear lmao

[stone vine]

yep

[eternal talon]

it is 85 times faster

[lilac island]

just walk away lmfao

[eternal talon]

the entire worldline is

that destination is a part of

[dim scroll]

Meanwhile immortal doesn't give a shit

[stone vine]

basically adding up everytime we go to destination

we increased our lives by a few dats

days*

maybe even longer

[dim scroll]

And uses the teleporter to fuck you when you get the last code

[eternal talon]

the fundamentals of time work differently in that universe

[dim scroll]

Though i still don't get how he managed to use the teleporter

[stone vine]

well thats how time works like for instance

there probably is life out that far

and their year for us

is like

[eternal talon]

unexplained allen deux ex machina?

[stone vine]

our entire lives

think abt that

its crazy

[lilac island]

cuz he's immortal

[eternal talon]

he told the insight staff nothing and stayed silent until kovac picked him up

[dim scroll]

Well

[eternal talon]

from the platform

[lilac island]

that's the only thing he can do to kill time

[dim scroll]

being immortal shouldn't suddenly make you able to use teleporters

💀

[lilac island]

chase after us

[stone vine]

he kinda isn't but kinda is

hes very hard to kill

but give me like

some cfoam

[dim scroll]

What's also interesting is how immo manages to join us in destination

[stone vine]

lots of cfoam

entire complex worth

[eternal talon]

all sleepers are technically immune to destination's time shinanigans just because they don't gaf about time

[lilac island]

doesn't he have 1 mil health?

[eternal talon]

they'll sit there for eternity

[stone vine]

yeah

[eternal talon]

waiting for a new meal to wake them up

[eternal talon]

9999999

[stone vine]

think about like hitting a tank w ur hammer without hitting bubbles

but like

[eternal talon]

7 9s in the code

[dim scroll]

Yeah i think we should've made a zoom call with UN members and asked them to fill the complex with fucking zyklon B

[stone vine]

100+ of them

[stone vine]

sorry yes 10 million

even worse

itd take thousands of hours of hitting

bcuz u cant just sit and do that

[eternal talon]

didnt even know garganta was the origin of nam-v until the world was already mostly destroyed

[stone vine]

ud rack up so much in game time

[dim scroll]

Well the fossil at 2000m was the origin

iirc they tried to drill through it

[stone vine]

earthquakes did it first

garganta simply copied

[dim scroll]

hot

[eternal talon]

you will bring me an egg fossil

[stone vine]

bro they literally made their own earthquake

like on accident but

[eternal talon]

who do you refer to?

SMC showed up after the earthquake

[stone vine]

garganta

[eternal talon]

the help with survivors

[stone vine]

no no

[eternal talon]

yes yes

[stone vine]

there was that one

then the big lazers

that also was "an earthquake" of sorts

that they caused

there was seismic activity leading up to that

[eternal talon]

SMC showed up after the marida earthquake and discovered the infected red cross staff and were ordered to burn the bodies and that is what started all of this mess that kovac found out about via blackmail and got to set up shop in garganta

[eternal talon]

was it seismic activity? i thought it was just temperatures

[stone vine]

cute

no they said something abt the geo team picking up seismic activity

id assume as the frequency got closer

[lilac island]

did tanks mutate out of chargers?

they have the same spikes as them

like

[stone vine]

as they were drilling

[lilac island]

out of the biomass

[stone vine]

whatever they were doing was causing trembles

[eternal talon]

nope, geothermal mass started to grow october 8th, the detonation was october 11th

it was going on before hammerstein even came up with the idea to blast noises...

which is weird

[stone vine]

ahhh ok

so this was beforehand

gotcha !

either way

[eternal talon]

biocom illicit communication, october 8th 2053

[stone vine]

yes i see

[eternal talon]

**I will be conducting a behavioral analysis of the few living creatures we have managed to capture. They have an extreme sensitivity to aural stimulation, so I will be setting up an experiment to project a range of frequencies throughout the lower levels of Garganta to see which ones draw the most attention. Obviously, this will be a controlled experiment. We will have Security Officers there to protect the researchers as they capture as many varieties of creature as possible. In an ideal world, I would need to order more display cases!

It should be perfectly safe if everyone does as I say. Next week will be monumental for Project Insight!
**

the day of the blast.

[stone vine]

yes what a monumental idea

they fucked up everything

after that rip everything LOL

[eternal talon]

also from that log This week I drew the conclusion that the lifeforms we have been finding do not appear to come from the same evolutionary tree. Indeed, many of them appear to have at least partially evolved in drastically different environments, though there is clearly a commonality in the mutations they all share. There is no indication that the artifacts and objects we have found within the fossil were designed for use by any of the creatures, so quite how they ended up there is still a mystery. The bizarre disappearance of the equipment while working on Artifact 13 suggests some method of transformation or even transportation beyond our current understanding. As such, the origin of these creatures remains a mystery - but they come from different places. Different planets? Universes? I am confident I will unravel the mystery, but my impatience for understanding is overwhelming!

allen deus ex machina

[dim scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-troll-the-day-of-reckoning-gif-19655212

[stone vine]

O_O

[eternal talon]

like i said, they were exploring the inner for a while

[stone vine]

teleportation??? thats crazy

couldnt possibly be that

not at all

[stone vine]

yeah

[eternal talon]

you think thats funny, when they first got their hands on artifact 13 (the MWP), they ""lost"" an entire wing of their research lab

[stone vine]

BAHAHA

really???

it wasnt just people

[dim scroll]

Yeah

These mfs got teleported iirc

[stone vine]

thats actually super funny

[eternal talon]

gimme a sec i'll nab it

[dim scroll]

Wasn't it with schaeffer ?

And schaeffer survived

[eternal talon]

i dont belive so

[stone vine]

bet they believed the sighting of that teleporting creature/ allen after that

[dim scroll]

I remember a log about that

schaeffer and other people getting teleported and attacked

only schaeffer survived

[stone vine]

can u imagine being teleported and just consumed by kraken

and meatball

[dim scroll]

They got the dwemer fate

xd

[lilac island]

wasnt that bishop?

[dim scroll]

i forgor

💀

[eternal talon]

i do not remember this at all.

[lilac island]

💀

[stone vine]

i do recall something similar

there was an accident regarding teleportation

[lilac island]

bishop was teleported to destination

[eternal talon]

intentionally with the ef01 team

[lilac island]

he fought and got back here

[lilac island]

so he was

[eternal talon]

i wouldn't call bear grillsing it up for 2 years "fighting back"

[lilac island]

didnt he like kill a few enemies there?

i dont rember the audio/log xd

if it even has an audio

[eternal talon]

it was an audio in r6b1 i believe on destination and a continuation somewhere else

but it wasnt by the pov of bishop

it was one of the scientists talking about plants

and the weird time stuff

[lilac island]

idk

[eternal talon]

then the second log was talking about something hunting them and picking them off one by one and them hiding in caves

[lilac island]

SNATCHER?!

[eternal talon]

given destination, i doubt it.

no humans there to infect

ef01 was the first expedition there

whatever it was, it was an infected native.

be it a floater or what have you

[lilac island]

native snatcher

[burnt wren]

Sure would be interesting to get a snatcher remodel

Probably not, but...

[lilac island]

problem solved 😎

[lilac island]

why

it's good as is

( i totally have not been paid by 10C to say only positive things about stuff related to the game )

[eternal talon]

@stone vine **Hey Becks,

I just caught sight of a preliminary report on the item they're calling the Data Block - artifact 13 of the Hammerstein Collection (yeah, he named it after himself). They tried to conduct a material analysis on it and lost half of their equipment to a "physical anomaly". The tools didn't break like the sample they sent me 2 years ago. As I understand it, the lab disintegrated. Or something. Apparently, it's "gone". I don't know what that means, but that, and all this talk about the "fossil", and the Cretasium 77a discovery makes me think... Insight is the place to be. They're on the brink of something huge. I'm guessing since they stopped sending me samples there's no way they don't trust me for some reason, but I think you'd walk it.**

here is ef01 pt 1:

No no, I want separate areas. The sample collection needs to be completely isolated from the rest of the gear. And Alice: Mask! This is doctor Durant, EF01 has arrived. This place is… it’s exhilarating. Let me check my notes. So far there’s no sign of biological life, though Ben did notice some discoloration on the rocks nearby, so he’s starting there. I don’t know how anything could survive here though, there’s no obvious food sources and the soil appears to be barren. Ben and Gustavo were taking readings at different elevations to see if there’s a habitation zone. The atmosphere is tolerable… for short periods but I wouldn't want to spend more than five or six hours here without protection. The security operatives are patrolling the perimeter, gathering all the equipment we sent through over the last few months. So, that’s the good stuff. Here are the problems: We have no link back to Garganta, nothing, no comms, no telemetry and the Quantum Tether didn’t hold as far as I can tell from this end. So this means either A: We had a catastrophic system failure on our end; unlikely. Or B: Something has happened at Garganta, which we have no way of knowing.

There is a “C” but that would suppose the data sent back from the Hammerstein probe was falsified, which… no, I won’t believe that. Whatever the reason, we’re alone; for now. We have located the vegetation capsule we sent through three days ago, but it didn’t survive the jump. The capsules must have popped open during transit, the plants have been exposed and withered away to nothing. Although the soil in the capsule is bone dry. I prepped these plants myself and when they left my lab, the soil was saturated. And even in this environment the plants should have survived weeks but they look like they died months even years ago. It makes me wonder if there’s something in this atmosphere we’re not picking up. I have everyone wearing their masks, just to be safe. Anyway, chin up James! Doctor Stokes will find a way to reach us, I’m sure of that.

[burnt wren]

To explain the discrepancy that we have a planet-side description of snatcher behavior, even though all of our snatchers are clearly mutated humans so there can't be any of them on destination

Unless its all going to be a big reveal that actually there are no aliens and actually Destination is just a very fucked up Earth that got completely overrun. Also explains how we find sleepers there occasionally.

[lilac island]

probably just flyers lifting the scientists and flying into caves

[stone vine]

sleepers can get there the same way we can

funny enough

everything can

[lilac island]

probably one of the scientists just went somewhere, mutated and started snatching

[burnt wren]

Don't even get me started on logistics of that

[stone vine]

people who went to destination can also become infected with the parasite and nam-v considering that’s where it’s from

it’s very much they just

got infected

teleported

and book

book???

😳

boom-8

i cant spell

i give up

[burnt wren]

Well here's the thing

Why is Bishop still alive?

[stone vine]

because he’s him

[burnt wren]

If it was indeed all infected - he should be 90 shades of dead.

[eternal talon]

alternate view of r6b1's stroll through destination's cliffs

[lilac island]

Probably KSO so had special equipment

[stone vine]

what kind of question is that

he’s clearly that guy

[burnt wren]

Also 100% the expedition that went in should've known something about the virus

[lilac island]

AND went to KSU after returning

[burnt wren]

Surely they would test the air and find something

But there's no mention of it.

As far as we know - the planet's air is clear.

[eternal talon]

**The atmosphere is tolerable… for short periods but I wouldn't want to spend more than five or six hours here without protection. **

[stone vine]

that is true

u have a good point

but they also mentioned artifacts being somewhat

uh

dangerous?

and also

[eternal talon]

they could have been a liiiitle more specific if they mean stuff like solar radiation or particles in the air

[stone vine]

there r worms in the artifacts

so

parasites definitely still r there probably

there was also a log abt the connection between the virus and artifacts iirc?

[eternal talon]

well yeah because floaters are.

[stone vine]

yes ok cool

just making sure

🐌🙏

thank u frosty

always covering my dementia ridden memory

[eternal talon]

virus needs the parasite to become immortal, thats the rule and i doubt the virus is smart enough to just not kill fucking everything and make a host farm

since the meteor left destination, it has been 7 TRILLION years

[stone vine]

virus is intelligent for sure but yeah it clearly shows signs of not having any self control

considering

earth

it could have grown bigger

[eternal talon]

and these fucks are still floating about

[stone vine]

i like meatballs

[eternal talon]

imagine infected humans in that same situation

trillions of years of pain. its incomprehensible

[lilac island]

yikes

[eternal talon]

surprised we haven't seen any infected allens though in gameplay

you'd think we'd have seen them on destination by now

or maybe they're all burried underground given how long its been

cities swept under the sand

[stone vine]

i’m there rn

they’re all with me dw

we’re hanging out rn

[eternal talon]

wonder why the sun is exposed and they don't have dyson sphere stuff goin' on

[lost drum]

Since I don't speak English, I'm sitting here with a translator and translating all your thoughts to the GTFO soundtrack) Very cool, thanks).

[raw terrace]

que basado

[short star]

no, i meant us, as the players/prisoners

[eternal talon]

Give the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel a read. You'd be able to get far more out of that than trying to decipher mish-mashed text about various different topics.

It is all of the pre-apocalypse lore condensed down into a simple, readable, time-efficient format.

@stone vine here is some brain mush for you that will make your head hurt.

Person 1 enters destination for 5 minutes.

Person 2 enters destination 1 minute after Person 1 and stays there for 10 minutes.

Person 1 is now in Person 2's relative past.

[raw terrace]

i read persona

[eternal talon]

Imagine you and a friend enter destination at the same time. Your friend returns to earth after a minute and pulls you back via the tether. When are you?

Imagine you ran a cable through an open tether. Would you have inverted lag?

Did the computer on destination receive your data before you clicked send?

These are free will questions now.

[tawny yarrow]

localized time dilation is one of those speculative sci fi things that no two people can really ever explain the same way

recommend "Singularity" by William Sleator on that one. Great YA fiction about it.

[stone vine]

jesus

stop brain hurty

i have something

what if u get a person to go to destination and say radio transmission between places is possible

and u get them to count five minutes

would that just be like -85 times speed

like for them they count to five minutes in five minutes

but for people on earth it would be more like 8-9 hours

can u also imagine if someone went to destination, got stuck for a week or something yk just accidentally

when they get back the complex is just dead LMAO

[lilac island]

i think the characters should have different outfits to better fit their backstories
woods is the most soldier of all of them and yet hes just wearing a puffer vest
dauda was a scientist who was never meant to be a kovac security member yet hes wearing the body armor

i get that now that garganta is completely shut down were just using what we have but all but dauda have been proven to be active kovac members while everything was in operation

and for whats most definitely a very expensive security service they really do not look the part

talking about the bot/canonical outfits not cosmetics as a whole

[harsh pike]

it is really funny how Dauda gets a ballistic vest

and he's the only one with any armor

i suppose it does give a sense of 'progression' (if entirely random) when you upgrade from a puffer vest & your dad's gym shorts, to a more tactical outfit

[lilac island]

im not arguing about the cosmetics appearances overall

the outfits the bots get dont match the characters backstories

[harsh pike]

yeah

realistically they would all probably look like dauda

outfit wise

[lilac island]

yeah

except maybe dauda depending on when they picked him up

there have been 3 different body armor cosmetics in the game since 1.0/r6 as well

[harsh pike]

3?

there's 2 really, then a reskin of each

[lilac island]

well one isnt really body armor

[harsh pike]

last update added a camo dragonscale

the kovac carrier?

[lilac island]

but looks military-esc enough

yeah

[harsh pike]

yeah, a basic carrier rig with a weird bicep pad

[lilac island]

carrier model 1, primer grid model 1, and dragonscale

[harsh pike]

i love that they all have model 1

there has never been a model 2

wtf is a 'model 1' of a fisherman's jacket?

[lilac island]

welll kovac doesnt really seem to care about improving their gear once theyve made a functioning model

considering hydrostasis' tendencies

[harsh pike]

just the fact that random items have that tag

like 'model 1' of a puffer vest? come on

the fashion industry in GTFO's universe must be crumbling

[lilac island]

yeah that one isnt even made by kovac

[stone vine]

we not gonna talk abt the fact warden probably dressed them 🤨🤨

when do they even have time to change their clothes either bc they’re just constantly in hydrostasis unless it’s like at the beginning of missions

warden just gives them new clothes n goes :3 okay guys u can put them on when u get down to the complex with all the sleepers n stuff and anything could happen gl

[clear furnace]

as much as I hate to say it its probably just a gameplay thing. Or maybe we the player are making the new cannocial look for them. Or maybe its just a multiverse version of them in a different outfit. Idk pick your poison.

[harsh pike]

if only the warden cleaned us too

[eternal talon]

cosmetics aren't canon. (you cant just cut your arm off and re-attatch it every time you want to swap out KOVAC PRO-CAR ELITE)

[harsh pike]

or can you

maybe the wardens nice enough to keep it on ice

[lilac island]

probably once you cut off your arm you just get fake meat and flesh on the metal

[burnt wren]

I mean....

You can just put a glove on it, TF2 engineer style

Although to be fair the hand's new outline should be visible, and some gloves are VERY tight

For all i know the aparel is given to us to headcanon our own version of prisoners

Its that weird bit of discrepancy where the game can't decide if it wants us to play characters or ourselves

[lilac island]

also, how cool would it be if we could find stuff like alr placed mines, cfoamed doors, and bodies in expeditions

[burnt wren]

Because we are playing characters, but we can customise the shit out of them, even though they have canonical looks

[lilac island]

stuff like consumables and other resources near the bodies too

[eternal talon]

the tutorial character is probably actually us, to be honest. since they are the same class as dauda but dauda is black

[lilac island]

doesnt it say that our class is something-XXXX?

idfk rember the tutorial tho lmfao

[eternal talon]

delta.. the same as dauda

we know all of our squadmates designations

[lilac island]

yea

[eternal talon]

the only delta is dauda, and he's black. we play as a white guy in the tutorial

[lilac island]

GO for Bishop
F for Woods
T for Dauda and
O for Hackett

[eternal talon]

theta maybe. i don't remember. i just remember the designation was the same

because it was bizzare

[lilac island]

T was Tau

General Operative, Faulty, Tau, Sigma

[eternal talon]

g was genesis, i know that.

not general

[lilac island]

Genesis Operative

fucked up the first word lmfaoo

[eternal talon]

intro cutscene has memories

dont know if it changed with alt//

[lilac island]

dt rifle has a different sight

did it have a red reticle in og r5?

[eternal talon]

dt?

i know the burst rifle had it's scope flipped

(only pic i have of the burst rifle in r2 soz)

[harsh pike]

its based on a russian OKP-7 sight but now the sight actually faces the right way

[stone vine]

well yeah clearly but it’s funny

warden still had to dress them at some point

[lilac island]

double tap

[hot burrow]

It looks like the pdw

[stone vine]

yes

it is

each rundown has like a brief “flash into the rundown”

for r4 it was tank for example

think like the same thing outlast trials is doing when u get the flash into the levels

[hot burrow]

Neat

[lilac island]

Canonically it's probably what they had on before garganta was shut down and changing from the canon outfits is just for gameplay purposes

[stone vine]

i doubt dauda, a doctor, was wearing a ballistic vest and cargos

the other 3, debatable

but i’m p sure it’s just gameplay purposes

the fact that santonian had merch tho like still waiting for a santonian hoodie or a mug or som

[harsh pike]

astounding that this game HAS merch and you can't buy a Santonian Industries hoodie, or a tank top like hacketts wearing

[lilac island]

or get a mechanical leg replacement

[stone vine]

ong

like where is my dragonscale armor???

[harsh pike]

this but unironically

[lilac island]

gtfo collectors edition

when

[lilac island]

with a full sized Hammer and a Convex Scorpion helmet

[austere depot]

Looks like something is happening with woods. By some instinct, he seems to know more clearly than others and has some sense in how things are going to be. That is also twice he has survived the miracle mile where his odds of surviving were astronomically low.

[stone vine]

he has the power of jesus inside of him

and he’s american

case closed

[topaz hollow]

didn't they have to wipe him several times and they still couldn't get the faith out of him

[austere depot]

I would assign it to him having an inherent need to believe in something, something not dependent on his memories.

[topaz hollow]

Dude the santonian spartan vest would be drip af

[austere depot]

Whatever that change that causes for his sense of being at all times, may end up a saving strength for him in the long run.

[topaz hollow]

Woods is designated as faulty though

As a KSO

implying that they fucked up or just couldn't manage to wipe his mind right, but that makes me wonder as to why they didn't 'recycle' him, as is what is implied to happen to faulty operatives

[lilac island]

By the power of god that gent shalt not be recycled

[austere depot]

It begs a question though: Who are we without our memories? Assuming we retain social, mechanical and communicative functions, of course

[stone vine]

it’s the power of christ 😍😍😍

[topaz hollow]

robots

KSOs

[stone vine]

trust me we’re getting them back

very soon

[topaz hollow]

basically machines that get uploaded with work orders from the warden's implied predecessor

[stone vine]

yes

[topaz hollow]

Woods is actually the only KSO in the game to be designated as Faulty that we know of iirc

[stone vine]

it’s like resetting ur computer but leaving the setup and some files

they’re not fully wiped but like

majorly

and u can still reupload things u have saved to a flash drive

very much same

[topaz hollow]

there is a log, R4 I believe that mentions hitting heads on things and how it's a toddler's behaviour

[stone vine]

yep

[topaz hollow]

I think part of the KSO process is teaching them how to be a human again, or not, as there's a log of Hackett being woken up and he seems fine excluding memory loss

[stone vine]

he had suicidal tendencies

like self harm

[stone vine]

it’s weird to think all of the characters had to listen to themselves like they were strangers

schaeffer is going to figure it out

[topaz hollow]

Dauda's the most fucked up out of the 4 though, because he put himself in Hydrostasis intentionally, which I guess turned him part of the way into a KSO and the warden finished the job

[stone vine]

i feel like once he realizes who we are things might get a little weird

[stone vine]

in regular timeline

[topaz hollow]

he mentions dauda in one of his transmissions

[stone vine]

in alt woods dauda hackett and bishop r all together beforehand

woods tells dauda to get in a hsu if he wants to live

this is when the lockdown procedure was starting

in alt

in our regular timeline it’s simply luck

[topaz hollow]

the worst audio log in the game IMO is the one schaeffer makes where you can hear the sleepers fucking everyone up, it's in r7 iirc

[stone vine]

i cant imagine how gross it actually is

because sleepers do eat people

[topaz hollow]

or the one where the facility's like, just gone under and he talks about trying to go and get food but the comissary is full of sleepers

[stone vine]

i’d heavily assume they do

[topaz hollow]

they don't seem like they eat people, as there 's bodies everywhere

[stone vine]

well i’m basing this off the assumption they do when they’re active

not when they are hibernating

not sure

but their design is literally super efficient for eating people

so either they do or don’t

but they could if they wanted to

they have like mega digestive tracts

this game really emphasizes the “being consumed” part of horror

constantly giant tape worm looking tongues in ur face, snatchers, being consumed by tentacles, meatballs being a very large mouth

but u never rlly know

🤔

we need to see how the sleeper gets nutrients

[topaz hollow]

I think it's more the facility consuming you, aren't there logs about people starting to mc-fricking-lose-it even before the virus

[stone vine]

hopefully more dauda test logs in the future

[stone vine]

yes

the facility is literally called garganta

aka throat

[topaz hollow]

The facility's name is also "Throat" in spanish

[stone vine]

yeah

the digestion portion of this game is

very implied

🤔

[lilac island]

vore

[topaz hollow]

shut up

[stone vine]

sleepers use their digestive systems to attack people

like a good chunk do

[austere depot]

The metal teeth you see at the start of most levels, if not all, is also a nice metaphor

[stone vine]

yes the lasers from the egg

almost looks like teeth now

u r right

[lilac island]

[stone vine]

ur actually mimics a sleeper tongue pretty well

[topaz hollow]

weren't the holes in the facility exposed by an explosion

[stone vine]

it-88

9oh my god

if i can’t spell

one more time

[topaz hollow]

not the lasers

[stone vine]

lazer beams from the egg

nope it was lasers

pew pew

[topaz hollow]

proof? schaeffer only mentions partial damage in his log, not the entire facility getting kamehameha'd

[austere depot]

They were.
I look at the teeth as a symbolic game-design choice though
The Devs knew what they were implying when they made them look like that 😂

[stone vine]

hammerstein decided to see if they could test frequencies in order to like

see if anything triggered the sleepers down there

and it set off literal laser beams

there’s a lot

log***

[austere depot]

Not directly. But it likely set of the largest mass of sleepers ever seen... which began overrunning the fascility - which in turn triggered the blasts 😂
So indirectly, yes, he may have been the one to set off that whole catastrophe

Which also set off Schrödingers Clinton - who was dead and not dead in two separate timelines 😵‍💫

[stone vine]

yeah but basically his fault either way

[topaz hollow]

he doesn't mention large holes in the top of the facility, he would have if that were the case

they are very noticeable

[stone vine]

it’s a hammerstein log

that says what really was the cause

behind that

that’s just where schaeffer was at the time

i’m p sure basically the frequencies were going

the sleepies got mad

the lasers targeted the sleepies

boom

😔

or they might have

frosty said it seemed like it was targeting sleeper hotspots

🤔

which is quite interesting actually

[stone vine]

yeah here’s the log frosty sent

also

schaeffer specifically says “energy blast”

not explosion

an explosion isn’t clean and will not penetrate layers of metal and concrete like thar

and wouldn’t leave the spikes in that kind of perfect circle

[topaz hollow]

if it's a laser wouldn't he have seen it

[stone vine]

no

[topaz hollow]

why would it just stop once it penned the surface

[stone vine]

he never mentions seeing it

only feeling it

[dim scroll]

There were hypothesis of a reactor blowing up in the lowest layers of the complex

[stone vine]

couldn’t have been

[topaz hollow]

why

[stone vine]

the blasts came from the inner

[dim scroll]

Due to what ? The form of the blast ?

[stone vine]

like deep as fuck

[dim scroll]

Well that's what i'm saying

[stone vine]

there were not any amount of reactors down there unless it was secretly done

[topaz hollow]

they did, but the hole goes all the way up to above ground

why would a laser just stop after penetrating out of the top of the facility

[dim scroll]

It wouldn't be surprising honestly

[stone vine]

also

allen theory

[dim scroll]

The first layers who'd be taken down by sleepers would be the lowest ones

[topaz hollow]

allen

[stone vine]

allen is the species of aliens from destination

think subnautica lore

they brought the virus here

[dim scroll]

No more maintenance on the said reactors would result in a direct meltdown

[stone vine]

on accident or not who knows

[topaz hollow]

"allen"

[stone vine]

and it reacted to the sleepers

defense went off

blah blah

now

if the egg isn’t an allen space ship

[topaz hollow]

can you type in full sentences and not billions of messages

[stone vine]

that means

[topaz hollow]

we're not using in game voice commands here

[stone vine]

i could but this is the only way i can put out my thoughts well enough

i’ll try

i have bad focus issues

😭

[topaz hollow]

where does it say they're called "Allen"

that's a fucking stupid name

[stone vine]

theyr not it’s a placeholder name

it’s cute don’t diss frosty like that

😔

[topaz hollow]

I will diss whoever I want

[stone vine]

yes u just did it to me

i like sending 92839505 messages thanks

[topaz hollow]

I most certainly did not

[topaz hollow]

It makes you hard to follow

[stone vine]

yes that’s normal for me trust me i have people in here arguing my own points to me because i make no sense sometimes

[topaz hollow]

well try to make more

back to the topic at hand

[stone vine]

yessir

:3

[topaz hollow]

I don't like the concept of reactor explosions either, they wouldn't make holes like that and wouldn't be powerful and directed enough to go up in a chute shape

[stone vine]

exactly

my point is the only thing it could be IS some kind of lazer

[topaz hollow]

And the fallout and radiation emitted would make the facility unusable with that many holes

how many is it? 8?

[stone vine]

who cares where it came from it had to have been something extremely hot and precise and the only thing that fits that is lasers

[stone vine]

more

[topaz hollow]

the warden takes over the facility does it not

[stone vine]

could have been warden

[topaz hollow]

what is stopping it from using previously established to be disposable prisoners to detonate explosives

[stone vine]

idek how it woulda done that unless something is behind warden that was also in the egg

[topaz hollow]

or plant them at least

[austere depot]

There is a log for it, but it is on the website (lasers)

[stone vine]

no it wouldn’t be able to

[topaz hollow]

explain why

use metalanguage and citations for full marks

[stone vine]

warden took control of a bunch of hsus in kds deep

we see it in well the level kds deep

👍

anyways

warden could not have even began to utilize that because biocom still had control of everything until the big shutdown

aka everything onwards from big laser beam

it was in the system yes

[topaz hollow]

as I understand it, the warden is biocom

[stone vine]

hacked into it but yes

it literally IS biocom now

[topaz hollow]

"Look at me, I am the captain now."

[dim scroll]

There are logs implying biocom and warden are "fighting" each other

[stone vine]

yes

but warden can’t do anything if biocom still has access

[austere depot]

Basically. Only it did to biocom what biocom did to its operatives

[stone vine]

that’s why warden struggles a fuck load

[topaz hollow]

I don't like the laser beam concept, how would nobody have seen the fucking laser

[dim scroll]

Everyone ded

xd

[topaz hollow]

Also explains why it can't just open the doors and shut down alarms for us

[dim scroll]

Because they're under lockdown protocol

😳

[topaz hollow]

Also how was schaefer allowed to go back to work with huge holes everywhere

[stone vine]

r2c2 it starts an error alarm accidentally, accidentally fucks up a tether during a mwp trip we take, constantly sets shit off, fails to hack into things a LOT aka error alarms, loses track of schaeffer extremely easily even with the dumb chip

warden is in shambles

[topaz hollow]

Why doesn't that schizo podcast shit that I forgot the name of ever mention the beam(s)

[stone vine]

set by biocom :D

well not created by biocom but implemented

[dim scroll]

With the protocol listed in another log

[topaz hollow]

why didn't they just pop the lockdown when the fall began, surely at least someone would have made it out then

[stone vine]

oh people definitely made it out

more like sleeper

[topaz hollow]

if you close all the blue doors it surely stops them

[dim scroll]

If you release the lockdown, you're releasing hell

[topaz hollow]

then we only have D levels no problem

[stone vine]

people got into the complex

afterwards uh the matthew dude

[dim scroll]

Imagine if all sec doors opened at once

[stone vine]

yeah rip lol every single aggro possible in abt 2 seconds

[topaz hollow]

Every single alarm and sleeper in the distance sound plays at once, followed by the only thing they fear is you

[stone vine]

that’s essentially what reactors do actually

[dim scroll]

The scout scream in the distance 💀

[austere depot]

oh trust me, they saw it.
What it was though, was not a laser as we think of it. Some kind of super-heated particle blast.
All matter in the vicinity of the holes existed one moment - the next, it was GONE
And it happened near instantaneous. The blasts everyone talked about, was the temperatures of the aftermath.
The scientists did not know what they were looking at, at all.

It fired off, in precice directions, targeting masses of sleepers. And somehow it was intelligent enough to ensure the fascillity would stand afterwards. That is what blew those holes.

[dim scroll]

Couldn't find the audio file on the wiki sadly

[stone vine]

basically laser

just

weird

[austere depot]

Lasers is the best apt description we have of it, yes x'D

[stone vine]

yes

[topaz hollow]

where is the log file for that

[austere depot]

in other words, the writers did their homework on this one

[topaz hollow]

Surely there's more writing to it

[stone vine]

thing is that means that it definitely was not just human created or something that came from something like it came from the egg which means our choices are giant sleeper queen or aliens

[austere depot]

That one is on the webpage. Santonian.. or if you give me a moment

[dim scroll]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AZO-gmyvFr_uWNClhEf2lbbaSQ6-GRWuN5FW0j6kCI8/edit?usp=sharing

[stone vine]

and i doubt some giant almagamation of mayans is down there

hehehehhe guess who wrote that

[austere depot]

@topaz hollow 21B-789-RD4.LOG on the wiki

[stone vine]

some of it

some really not possible and unreal things we see but hey it is sci fi

aka fake latin 🤔

[topaz hollow]

Also is anyone here familiar with the Stellaris contingency

It sounds like that

[topaz hollow]

not what I was looking for

[topaz hollow]

ty

[stone vine]

i’m sleeping now y’all have fun

[austere depot]

Night!

[topaz hollow]

I hope you get jumped by giant chargers in your dreams

[eternal talon]

@stone vine @topaz hollow
it didn't reach all the way to the surface. *exception being within the sea walls, which are still below sea level

**D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.med_core/GHammersteinB014.flagged

Dr Hammerstein,

The trace analysis on the residue found in the shafts after the October 12th event has been completed. It was mostly molten rock and metal, the composition of which confirms the blasts were high energy focused QGP streams, at a temperature that was only thought to have occurred during the Big Bang.

According to the BIOCOM navigation data supplied by Mr. Piros, the streams appear to have been deliberately targeted at areas where security operatives were engaged with the creatures during the attack. The QGP streams originated from the Inner but the creatures had by that point overrun much of Garganta, which is why we see such a wide spread of shafts across the facility.**

**Interestingly, none of the shafts created by the QGP streams caused flooding in the facility. The streams stopped short of the seabed, except for several shafts which penetrated the seabed within the perimeter of the sea walls, so no flooding occurred. This seems unlikely to be a coincidence. Unfortunately, one of the streams did hit the helipad outside hangar 3, which is where Mr Clinton was believed to be. His death would have been instantaneous. The results suggest this was a weapon. Whether it was aimed at us or the creatures is not clear, but it did turn the tide in our favor. Kovac drove the creatures back to the Inner shortly after the blasts (or the creatures retreated voluntarily – we only have a single Kovac report to go by and that paints them as the heroes of the October 12th event).

The trace analysis has left us with more questions than answers.**

**1) Who or what fired the streams?

2. We have created quark-gluon plasma in hadron colliders, but nothing even close to this power or temperature, so how were the QGP streams formed? Is there a machine or artifact we have yet to find?

3. This level of exotic matter control is beyond our understanding of the physical laws of the universe, so how was the intensity of the sub-atomic streams controlled?

4. Was the purpose of the streams to kill us, or the creatures? It worked in our favor to control the onslaught, but we lost hundreds of people in the blasts (though some may have been lost or taken by the creatures).

5. If the purpose of the blasts were to kill the creatures, why? Does something else see them as a threat?

Nolan Connor B229**

it wasn't lasers either. it was superheated particles that were either magnetically or gravitationally controlled

[eternal talon]

^ proof, among other things.

[eternal talon]

Also goes to show that after r6, allen "theory" isn't theory. It's fact.

[cold sphinx]

wow

[stone vine]

yes

i’m just inclined to called it a theory until it’s stated directly

but i majorly agree it’s the most likely thing

[stone vine]

like we said

not lasers but what other easy word is there

so funky lasers for now because “superheated particles that were gravitationally controlled” is not fun to say

and eh same thing basically almost kind of not really but yeah

essentially what probably happened was

allen species contract this virus

they aren’t the creators of it

similar to subnautica really

whatever teleport ass bs happened with the artifacts on destination happened

got here

got frozen over

earthquake = disease got out via ice cracking and temp rise

mayans contracted parasite and nam-v went into the fault line

smc digs there finds it, dreyfus takes big interest and starts testing on it

eventually they start to mess around too much aka hammerstein bs

egg “spaceship” does not like the frequency for some reason OR they played a very close frequency to sleepers in a large quantity and the ship activated some kind of defense which is the “lasers”

aimed for the sleeper hotspots

somewhat succeeded but actually ended up fucking everything over

also

if the allens are that intelligent they also created warden

and that would explain how warden got into biocom so sneakily

allens were down there studying us

we know they could possess some level of comms “allen log”

allens are likely not the cause for the disease given that information

🤔

which means something else made the bioweapon

maybe allen space war and they used the virus to try wipe things out

who knows

or it could be natural though extremely highly unlikely and that’s alr been discussed

it would be impossible in reality

which basically means this is subnautica in an alternate universe

😱

[eternal talon]

could be, of this, we have zero information.

[stone vine]

yes

exactly

back to no info again

😔

i essentially think that’s what could have happened

behavior makes no sense otherwise

ALSO

if the allens have the virus

and say ice acts similar to hydrostasis

could explain why the allen was so “sleeper like”

[eternal talon]

we do have the one audio log, though it's undeciphered.

[stone vine]

u get what i mean

[stone vine]

yeah

could be allen

maybe not

[eternal talon]

weird sounding whatever it is

like very deep whale calls

mixed with garganta's ambient droning noises

[eternal talon]

probably not something 10cc would cover at this point.

then again them introducing the allens as late as r6 is something that doesnt make sense if its a critical plot point

from what i can tell, they are saying all these cool things the allens can do/did but not going into any detail because it'd either take to many resources to show us in-game, or because they haven't thought of it themselves and intend to leave it open to interpretation and theorizing

[harsh pike]

I feel like someone in the board room before r6's release was like "Guys. what if aliens did it."

[eternal talon]

yeah

[harsh pike]

and everyone just kinda nodded

[eternal talon]

here is the audio if you wanted to take a listen

[stone vine]

that’s exactly what i was talking about earlier

i think the allen things is dumb

overused

every single disease game is caused by an alien

it would have been SO much cooler if this was a natural disease from space

[harsh pike]

or even something that was just buried in the earth

you hear news stories about viruses deep in ice

[stone vine]

yeah dude it woulda been sick

exactly

that’s what got me into virology n stuff so much was the icecaps melting and stuff

[harsh pike]

i assumed thats what it WAS until recently and the more alien shit was unrelated to the virus

just the combination of the two = sleepers

[stone vine]

it was basically just a disease from space until r6 yes

and it got frozen

not confirmed but that’s what happens

it would be dead otherwise

[harsh pike]

watch them just upend the lore with alt r6

[stone vine]

hey guys jk allens r just here to throw u off

schaeffer actually made the disease from kraft glue

[harsh pike]

he fucking would

[stone vine]

😱😱😱

he would

ur so right

tbh it’s still salvageable i can get over the allen plot if they make the disease a non alien created virus

if they just

stick to it being some super virus

idc if it doesn’t make real sense aliens don’t either

[harsh pike]

I feel like the best 'idea' for it is NAM-V was deep inside the earth, aliens only existed on the Alpha planet, then the two mixed and uh oh world ended

[stone vine]

that would have been kinda cool actually

parasite and virus mized

mixed*

🤔

interesting

[harsh pike]

wait I thought the last part WAS canon

is it not the combination of nam-v and the parasite that turns people?

[eternal talon]

virus kills. it starts mutation (head split) but doesn't actually go anywhere before the host dies. The parasite is made immortal by the virus and infects hosts and in turn, making the hosts immortal. Hosts now have time to fully mutate and with the help of the parasite's own variants, create the sleepers.