gtfo-lore

[burnt wren]

Yeah, welcome.

[stone vine]

but we’re they on the asteroid ???

[eternal talon]

we have the exact measurements of it too

it was on the KUX deepscan

[stone vine]

yes i know a lot abt the egg

[eternal talon]

i dont think it was, moreso that its where was the IRL asteroid

since in real life it isnt a ship, it was a rock

[stone vine]

yes but where was the ship

[eternal talon]

SMC went down there because they thought it was a meteor -- to mine iridium

but found soemthing else entirely

[stone vine]

in relation to the asteroid

yes

[burnt wren]

Is no one gonna post concept art creature

[eternal talon]

i dont have the pic lel

[stone vine]

i’m waiting to see this thing yes pls

😞

[eternal talon]

'sides, it isn't a 100% fit to the description and is abandoned concept art that never made it into the game/isnt canon

[stone vine]

oh ! it’s official art

[eternal talon]

like this guy

[stone vine]

snatcher so cute

[eternal talon]

its a single frame from a trailer

[stone vine]

will forever miss

[eternal talon]

not really art

was scrapped before even r1

[stone vine]

the allen

[eternal talon]

i highly doubt they had plans for allens way back then

[stone vine]

no no where is the allen

[eternal talon]

the plotline came out of no-where in r6

[stone vine]

where can i find the concept art

[stone vine]

which is why i probs had little no idea abt all that

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILLnzOReqU

zoooooom

[stone vine]

i have been on and off since like r3 😭

regular r3

[eternal talon]

ENHANCE

[stone vine]

wtf is that

i’m trying

it’s so tiny

[eternal talon]

what artek thinks could've been a prototype allen

from way way back then

[stone vine]

it looks

[eternal talon]

here it is blown up

[stone vine]

like a weird armadillo

WTF

so glad that isn’t in the game

[eternal talon]

dont worry, the described allens are much worse

[burnt wren]

This thing perfectly fits the description in the encounter log

[eternal talon]

with 4 arms and looking like "two people fused together"

they can even teleport

like the floaters do

[stone vine]

encounter log ?

[eternal talon]

the stuff ontop of the back really doesnt look like arms man

[stone vine]

sorry what

[eternal talon]

sec

[burnt wren]

Can easily be confused for it in darkness

[eternal talon]

**Log E105-009
Date: January 16th 2053
Patient: Employee E105 (Edgar Soweta)
Att. Phys: Dr. August Teale B023

//HearSay auto-transcript begins//
TEALE
Describe to me what you saw.
E105
You mean what was there.
TEALE
Is there a difference?
E105
You make it sound like I hallucinated the whole thing.
TEALE
I didn’t mean to--
E105
I’m not a nutcase Teale.
TEALE
I know that. Please. Describe the creature to me.
E105
It was… in the shadows, but not physically there. Like it appeared from the shadows.
TEALE
So it was hiding in the dark?
E105
No. No, it came from the dark. Do you understand?
TEALE
No.
E105
I mean it wasn’t there, and then it appeared. It came from the dark.
TEALE
Like it materialized--
E105
Exactly! It materialized in the dark. From a different dimension or something.
TEALE
A different dimension?**

[burnt wren]

Good enough for me

[eternal talon]

E105
Or something. Shit, I don’t know.
TEALE
You know that’s not possible, don’t you Edgar?
E105
Then why did it happen?
TEALE
Perhaps you misinterpreted what happened.
E105
Listen to me Teale. It was there, whether you want to believe it or not. You want me to walk out of here right now?
TEALE
No, please. I’m listening.
E105
Yeah… well… just don’t even go there--
TEALE
Okay. Tell me what happened. You said it chased you?
E105
Yeah. We were spraying the drift in Quad 21--
TEALE
That’s a deep shaft.
E105
Yeah. It’s down there. So I’m running the Gunite hose with Werner--
TEALE
Now Werner didn’t see these creatures, correct?
E105
She stayed back to prep the Gunite. That’s why she didn’t see anything.
TEALE
Of course not. Go on.
E105
I’m walking the drift down towards the end, laying out the hose, and it’s dark, right? We haven’t sent Sparks down there yet because the drift is new and we have to finish spraying before they run cable.
TEALE
Go on.

E105
The light ends about 25 meters from where the end of the tunnel. So I turned my headlamp on, but it’s not seeing too deep because there’s still bug dust from the blast. Then I hear this sound - like a popping sound or... a clap of air, like a seal closing. THWAP!
TEALE
Yes.
E105
I start looking around in the dark and I see it. This creature. Just standing there, staring at me. Breathing real hard. It was… sort of human, but its head was hung low, like it broke its neck or something. Its legs were strong, muscular, but the arms were skinny and bent. It looked like two different bodies put together… and it’s looking right at me, panting.
TEALE
What did you do?
E105
I ran. What do you think I did?
TEALE
Did it chase you?
E105
Yes. I started yelling. Werner heard me and shone her flashlight down the tunnel.
TEALE
But she didn’t see anything?
E105
No, it disappeared. I don’t know - just stopped chasing me.
TEALE
Did you ever find it?
E105
I’m not going back there. Send someone else down that tunnel. Fuck that.

**TEALE
Is it possible it was human? Someone playing a joke on you?
E105
Are you fucking kidding me?
TEALE
I’m trying to understand what you saw--
E105
Look, that’s a closed tunnel, you understand? It’s a dead end. They haven’t finished blasting it. There’s no way to get down there other than walking right by me and Werner, and nothing, no one, walked past us. That thing was already there, in the dark. That’s what that sound was. It like… teleported or something.
TEALE
Teleported.
E105
This is a waste of my time.
TEALE
No. I’m trying to understand--
E105
I’m leaving. You want to know anything else, check the report. I’m done talking to you.
TEALE
HearSay off.

//HearSay auto-transcript ends//**

[stone vine]

it sounds like a sleeper but like not if u get what i’m saying

[eternal talon]

yes.

[stone vine]

like the virus kind of creates what allens sort of look like

[eternal talon]

we know hammerstein found specimens from countless worlds/universes in their ship

so it could also be one of those

we dont know.

[stone vine]

there’s more universes

o-o

[eternal talon]

an infinite ammount

[stone vine]

that we’ve found tho

[eternal talon]

hell, destination is in a different universe

[stone vine]

via destination

[eternal talon]

time moves 85x faster there

[stone vine]

yes

yes

think abt r6

[eternal talon]

that we've found? i'm not sure.

[stone vine]

what happens when we go to destination

:o

[eternal talon]

we've been to like 3 different alt/earths in r6d4 alone

[stone vine]

r6d4 ?

[eternal talon]

yes.

with the corrupted data cubes

[stone vine]

ohhhhhh

i wonder if we will see an allen

[eternal talon]

only physical evidence we've seen of them on their homeworld. a biiiig rock.

[eternal talon]

I hope so. We still have a whole hell of a lot of them to see.

Their ship especially

[stone vine]

what if a log shows that the egg is a ship

[eternal talon]

... it is

[stone vine]

no no

i mean confirmation

where they go inside or something

LMAO

[eternal talon]

they have been inside it

quite a lot actually

[stone vine]

oh wait i’m a little slow

[eternal talon]

like, 6-7 logs of them being inside it

[stone vine]

yes im not good at remembering they have ur right

idk why i was expecting it to be furnished

it’s just a big rock

[eternal talon]

its mostly obsidian-style shiny tunnels

like the alien ship in prometius/alien

[stone vine]

u think they might inhabit the overworld once everything is dead

they must have a good reason for mass killing

[eternal talon]

well, if they weren't able to save destination, i doubt they'll save earth

i mean they fled it after all and when we go there, their native fauna is still around and fighting

krakens/floaters n' such

[stone vine]

yes

but then we go in and pew pew

rip

so sad

[eternal talon]

the sheer state of it is just... unrecoverable

a single infected fish, or bird, or what have you, in a cave somewhere, or anything, and the entire planet can get reinfected

it'll never be safe again

there is always significant risk

[stone vine]

basically subnautica but worse

[eternal talon]

yes...

[stone vine]

now that i think abt it if it happened in subnautica it rlly isn’t all that weird

i didn’t think subnautica was weird

[eternal talon]

it is basically the karrah without the whole "will be here forever" thing

[stone vine]

pretty much and maybe it deforms things into a bit more grotesque creatures

but i guess it depends on what u think is gross

[eternal talon]

there are a lot of video game parasites that mimic this same style, like the velonaceps calyx (husk)

though the karra isnt very tentacle-y

even in Natural Selection

[stone vine]

yes

no tentaclesss

hmmmm

well the tentacles definitely came from destination

if i were to make a great guess

possibility

let’s say somehow the disease is not allen created like

just a chance

what would be the explanation for it

[rocky wraith]

Red-Queen hypothesis would imply that for a virus to get as convoluted and advanced as this that it can infect any biological lifeform and interact with its genetics in such creative manners, that it would have to evolve alongside a holobiome that would be constantly coevolving equally or even more advanced immune systems. In essence, the Virus has multiple attack strategies not for just one species but for multiple species with inventive types of immune responses. This is beyond the advanced trypanosome antigen-shifting strategies, but to the point where it can counter any less evolved defence strategies. This implies that the holobiome it would originate from have the most kickass bodies possible, capable of fighting off infections that would normally wipe out all life on Earth

In the logs it is implied that there was the potential that a virus could coevolve as a mutually symbiotic partner in evolution, but that would require that the benefits of cooperation outweigh the cons of fighting the evolution of the hosts immune systems

[stone vine]

woooow

[rocky wraith]

This is something that could be possible in the prementioned advanced holobiome scenario, but would involve such a level of horizontal gene sharing that is unprecedented in anything outside of science fiction

[stone vine]

makes sense

[rocky wraith]

I'm glad

[stone vine]

r u just a general biology major?

or what r u going into

[rocky wraith]

I got my bachelours(hons) in Molecular Biology a few weeks ago

[stone vine]

omg thats sick nice job :o

[rocky wraith]

X3 not a job yet, just a degree for now

[stone vine]

still very good job :D

[rocky wraith]

Ty!

[stone vine]

im trying to get into disease research

not exactly sure what specifically yet

i have a year to figure it out

[rocky wraith]

I recommend cancer. Yes it is one of the most difficult, but for me it was one of the most dynamic and interesting fields of study I have ever had

[stone vine]

ill take u up on ur recommendation

sounds fun

[rocky wraith]

Definitely look around about what the universities in your area and your lecturers are interested in. You may find specialists who can point you in the right direction

[stone vine]

yeah i have no idea really where i wanna go yet

did not think i would make it this far LOL

[rocky wraith]

lol

[stone vine]

oh yeah i am continuing the script i started in november would u be down to look over the sciency stuff once im done?

its just a like explanation of nam-v and sleeper biology basically

[rocky wraith]

Sure! I'll offer my two-cents!

[stone vine]

thankyou i think ill probably have it done by next week sometime

i even have some interesting diagrams i made u can look at

[rocky wraith]

That sounds cool! I'll offer what help and knowledge I can

[burnt wren]

Obscure low-tier lore: this is apparently a canonical look for an SMC operator.

• Both the helmet and backpack are part of a new recoloured apparel and have Santonian for a name and carry their logo.
• The armor pieces are both called "SMC cut" (Santonian Mining Corporation)
• And the colour palete is "Santonian Vestis"

Santonian are basically orks. Look at those danger-zone shoulder pads.

[raw terrace]

i
love this look and this so fuckin much

its such a small like thing but, this is the completed look, and i like how it seems :]

[zinc crest]

Anyone here know what the message you get from warden says when you are leaving a level and entering the WRDN scan?

//:DECODED SUBSURFACE TRANSMISSION

...
..THEY REACT TO LIGHTS AND SOUNDS!
..STAND STILL! [UNINTELLIGIBLE SCREAM]
//:END OF SUBSURFACE TRANSMISSION

//:DECODED WRDN TRANSMISSION

MSGCAT::OBJ.NEW

FIND HYDROSTASIS UNIT HSU_885 AND RETRIEVE A DNA CORE SAMPLE

MSGDEC_STATUS::E_DONE
_TRANSMISSION CHECKSUM 682991419
//:END OF WRDN TRANSMISSION

Because this is what R1A1 says when you are entering it

[harsh saffron]

Don't think there is one in R1A1 when you are entering the scan itself, the last one you get is:

//:DECODED WARDEN TRANSMISSION

MSGCAT::OBJ.NEW

RETURN TO THE POINT OF ENTRANCE IN ZONE 49

MSGDEC_STATUS::E_DONE
_TRANSMISSION CHECKSUM 314902168

//:END OF WARDEN TRANSMISSION

The actual number listed as "transmission checksum" seems to change from run to run.

[short star]

which is the best youtuber for GTFO lore?

[zinc crest]

Thanks

[burnt wren]

Unsure. Gtfo youtubers are whatever. "The complete timeline" one i guess?

[cold sphinx]

Nah

Just stay here

Artek and Frostty gives out the best lore cooks

Based on what you ask tho

[short star]

so is that desert place related to the asteroid and artifacts?

[cold sphinx]

No

If youre talking to alpha six/ alpha 2

[short star]

yea, i think so

[cold sphinx]

Then its a completely different plain of existence that we stumbled upon and had enough time to set up camp

[short star]

wait how do we know its not related? like for real

sorry the wiki kinda lacking too

[cold sphinx]

Because we get teleported

The first teams made the first contacts and established cordinates

For later warp jumps

But in R6A1 you break the tether and was lucky to even be brought back

B1 was you using the warp gate and accidentally breaking the tether rendering it broken for the flyers to push through

[short star]

oh i see

well time to read more logs and watch more gameplay

[cold sphinx]

C1 was to get data cubes for exact cordinates for the COPY_GEN_INDEX_COMPLETE_DB

On D1

[short star]

are the kraken and flyers native to that planet?

or is it unknownable

[eternal talon]

As far as we know, yes

[short star]

sexy

[eternal talon]

Yes, it's where the ship came from

[short star]

butterfly thing in the butterfly nebula lol

[eternal talon]

Ah, so you've read the for dummies doc

And no, destination is just a planet there

The butterfly nebula is a real place

[cold sphinx]

It is a real place

[short star]

yea, i know, im trying to go through 2 years worth of logs

[cold sphinx]

Just hard to reach

[short star]

are there any logs on this?

[cold sphinx]

Where cat pic

[eternal talon]

Not again

[cold sphinx]

Yes pls

In DM cause i rethink the terrifying stare

[eternal talon]

No but there doesn't really need to be. The coordinates from the data-cubes is what led us from earth to destination

[short star]

ah ah i missed that part

well one less question for the night, schaeffer and henriksson are both still alive right?

ok nvm, they are lmao

[eternal talon]

Yes

[stone vine]

honestly we need someone to make decent lore videos for this game before game theory decides to make some pollution theory about gtfo

i like making videos but im extremely inconsistent so

and currently the only things circulating around yt is stolen theories without any credit and misinfo

theres a biologist who did a good video and then yeah the timeline and other like good things atleast

[burnt wren]

My editing is crap so definetely not me

Need someone on Vaati level

[stone vine]

yeah i only know pretty basic editing i got into it a year ago then stopped

i have a video coming along rn

its gonna be like a deep dive into the virus and sleeper biology

thats why i was here yestarday trying to clear stuff up

i will now have 2 explanations

allen explanation and non allen explanation

since either is now plausible

im gonna go get a bunch of cinematic shots for the background somehow

[strange grove]

what about the zombie explanation

[stone vine]

sorry that too

zombie chimp gorilla apes

[eternal talon]

"good video" hahahhahahahahahha

he deleted comments pointing out that he ignored the logs and the overwhelming majority of the information he states as fact in his video is very easily proven wrong

[strange grove]

that was a great video

[eternal talon]

so, natural or bioweapon?

[stone vine]

yes

[stone vine]

no i meant the part where he did biology

i havent seen the video

someone told me he did a biology kinda explanation?

sorry "BAD" video

ive been told its good

so clearly more misinfo

[eternal talon]

personally with my sources, I think that it being a bioweapon is almost certain, but like many things in GTFO, the other possibilities aren't disproven, just lack of information to support it/go against it

[stone vine]

thats my thing yeah

my video isnt a theory vid

if it was id just put allen

[eternal talon]

you'd be shocked how much stuff is either just wrong or is outdated on YT

[stone vine]

but since it isnt i need to look at it from all angles

[eternal talon]

its why people dont really bother with videos imo. why record and edit a video when you can just spend 10 minutes on a txt file

[stone vine]

im aware

thats why i dont watch yt gtfo lore

[burnt wren]

GTFO lore is kinda worthless because it gets outdated with each new rundown, alts included

Better off to wait for R8 at least and then maybe one could make a coherent step by step video

[stone vine]

actually this chat has been pretty good

a lot of thigns i said in r3 still hold up now

same w others

[eternal talon]

he did two, but his conclusions were that it was a natural fungus... no virus, no parasite... its blatantly obvious he didn't read any of the logs relating to the topics he is discussing

[stone vine]

oh so hes dumb nvm

its clearly stated to be a virus

several times

even way back

[eternal talon]

manymanymanymany times

[burnt wren]

His explanation was something among the lines of "i was drawing evidence from the environment and making logical conclusions from there"

[eternal talon]

literally dozens of logs to the point where its an off-handed remark

[stone vine]

which makes no sense to do in a sci-fi video game

[burnt wren]

Meanwhile that terminal over there: ITS DA VIRUS, DA VIRUS IZ USING DA PARASITE

[stone vine]

its sci-fi for a reason

it doesnt have to make 100% environmental sense

like allen bioweapon is insane but like

its gtfo

[stone vine]

LMAO

[burnt wren]

I don't even know what kind of argument that is

[eternal talon]

i'm just talking like half of the logs refer to "the virus" or "nam-v" or "the parasite" or "parasites"

[stone vine]

The corona virus type logs

literally making light of corona LMAO

yeah not a virus yep

[burnt wren]

Apparently lore was written before that

It was quite a funny conincdence

[stone vine]

thats hilarious

the lore has existed forever almost to the point that its weird

theyve changed things

but like

we predict so much

[eternal talon]

i'm pretty sure we know the official R-naught of nam-v, and it is more infectious than corona

[stone vine]

WAYYYYYY more

17 is massive

only got up to abt a 6

covid ^

and yk how quick that was

[eternal talon]

like a plague-inc game

[stone vine]

basically nam-v probably took months tops to spread literally everywhere

basically covid was like one person infects 6

those 6 infect 6

6 x 6 x 6 x 6 .... until its everywhere

imagine

17 x 17 x 17 x 17

[eternal talon]

1248163264128...

[stone vine]

so when patient 0 got to florida

man spread it to 17 people p much immediately

which is why it spread so quick

[eternal talon]

afik didnt it hit florida, texas, and the UK simultaniously?

[stone vine]

florida first

patient 0 went there

not sure

id have to check but id say pretty soon after

[eternal talon]

i thought it just got into the gulf and then rode ocean currents

[stone vine]

considering florida is on the coast

and a major tourist hotspot

[burnt wren]

The lore gets confused on that too, but currently the working idea is that a patient 0 reached florida and it took off from there

[stone vine]

yes the lore is

jumbled

[burnt wren]

We have a log where KOVAC are tracking him and trying to intercept him and then we have the UN mission spilling out the beans

[stone vine]

i genuinly think they forget what logs exist sometimes LMAO

[burnt wren]

No idea who that patient 0 was though, apparently some scientist who just took off and apparently took something with him

[stone vine]

yeah some random 33 year old dude

[burnt wren]

Insanity? Greed? A doom bringer who wanted to watch the world burn? Wonder if we'll ever find out.

[stone vine]

we need his log

like the one matthew found

oh also something weird id like to mention is that dauda hackett woods and probably bishop met up before getting in the hsus

like not purposefully

but***

[burnt wren]

Are you talking about Dauda's new indoctrination path?

[stone vine]

not sure

just saw it somewhere

this ^

but when he was describing it before

there was no one

[burnt wren]

That's an ALT change

[stone vine]

ah yeah forgot abt that the alt part

so weird tho

[burnt wren]

Original Dauda walked into an HSU out of his own free will to avoid an incoming swarm

This Dauda didn't even knew what an HSU is and had Woods tell him to get inside inside

[stone vine]

yes and somehow just managed to get grouped with those 3

[burnt wren]

Woods to be thanked for that one

I think he got some kind of a grip on the whole multiverse scrufuffle and he brought Dauda in specifically because of this

Hackett was going to shoot him there

[stone vine]

so weird to think all were discovering is alt lore rn

like main story still different

[stone vine]

funny

he rlly likes murdering

[short star]

For me the biggest issue is not the lore and the timeline, the logs so far are really on point for those, just alot to go through and re-organise, tedious but not hard. But one of my biggest gripe for most lore vides is that we really don't get to see anything, everything is a screenshot of the logs from wiki with no relevant in-game stills, much less footage.

Obviously we cant do that since we dont have noclip or even removefog or godmode. Though In reality we only really need like image stills or 10 seconds clips since we mostly just need to show the stuff that the logs talk about and most of the relevant time spent in-game is just doing stupid scans to activate it. The main issue is how to get quality ones like the devs could (since they have noclip and all)

[finite vine]

^you can download a noclip mod to get quality screenshots

[past matrix]

i wanted to make a gtfo lore video but then the game got too boring to play

game theory will make a video

it will be the worst thing we have ever seen

some shit like i dont know

"sleepers are actually monkeys"

[short star]

does it allow me to skip gameplay?

like just go to the area directly? also there's still the issue of lights and fog in some on this areas

[queen gazelle]

yeah

[short star]

well, maybe i might buy the game one day kek

[stone vine]

this is so real

me 8237485 times

my vid has been on hiatus since november

[lilac island]

do we know who was in the opened hsus in R7B3

?

[burnt wren]

No.

Although you can probably query it...

[lilac island]

they have no numbers sadly

[peak quail]

The gtfo wiki says somewhere that GTFO stands for something in universe

Does anyone know what that is?

[burnt wren]

First time i hear of it. Everyone knows about the "for legal reasons that's a joke" thing, but in-universe...

[peak quail]

I swear I've seen it before

[stone vine]

not sure it technically doesnt mean gtfo but it means gtfo yk

thats basically what the devs said

[loud urchin]

.t gtfo

[ruby lake]

The game is called GTFO and it doesn't stand for "Get The Fuck Out" but rather the feeling you have that you want to complete The Warden's objective and GTFO.

[stone vine]

exactly

so its gtfo but not gtfo very understandable and cool

if we wanted to figure it out just find key words that play a big role in the game

that start with g t f or o

that could be a start

just a thought but i doubt it matters that much

[burnt wren]

Oh actually

I remembered

[peak quail]

Are y'all sure?

I'm pretty sure there's a wiki entry claiming it means something to do with the soldiers from that santonian?

[burnt wren]

GTFO just happens to also be first letters of KSO generation names that our main characters belong to

[stone vine]

wow

see

big brain smart

[burnt wren]

Gamma, Teta... Can't remember the rest

O probably Omega, but what's F?

[stone vine]

i know a good .112121 % of the kso lore

uhhhh

[peak quail]

found it

GO - Genesis Operative
T - Tau
F - Faulty
O - ...Sigma?

[stone vine]

HELP

[peak quail]

Lol hwhat

[stone vine]

Yes !!

very much correct

gotfs

[peak quail]

No source on the wiki tho

[stone vine]

yeah i checked

artek

where did u find that

[burnt wren]

Frank Bishop - GO-1395
Dr. Abeo Dauda - T-3701
Isaiah Woods - F-2056
Aiden Hackett - O-4711

[stone vine]

oh wait yes

ik what ur referencing

yay !!!

[burnt wren]

Unfortunately they couldn't avoid fucking up even here

[stone vine]

GOTFO :3

LMAO

jk but yeah that makes sense

[burnt wren]

Because according to this and Bishop's ancient characters description - everything points to the fact that Bishop is supposed to be the squad leader.

[peak quail]

So... Like why does the bot go teehee x3 it's not get the fuck out but it's get the fuck out when there's literally in game lore pointing at the name of the game

[burnt wren]

But we all knows that its Woods who took over that role.

[stone vine]

yep

[stone vine]

because its gtfo

u understand how annoying this game is

[peak quail]

Angery

[peak quail]

😦 I enjoy it

[stone vine]

they overcomplicated everything

i mean

the games alright just a bit silly sometimes

[peak quail]

Fuck star signs what's your GTFO KSO designation??
GT
F
T
O

[stone vine]

me personally GO

bishop

[burnt wren]

Probably because the name designations are more like a wink wink refference, more than anything.

Everyone knows what GTFO actually stands for, they just don't want to fight it in court.

[stone vine]

bishop is rlly good at csgo

[burnt wren]

For legal reasons their game is just called GTFO. Simple as.

[stone vine]

get the frunk out

easy

child friendly

this game is abt helping frunk escape the complex

this is frunk ^

he is deep in the complex and warden needs to rescue him

[peak quail]

What law requires this behavior

[stone vine]

i just realized the gtfo characters arent actually that old

bc of hsu

theyre probs 30 and ive been thinking of them being like 50

LMAO

[peak quail]

It's kinda funny to imagine some law maker sitting down and being like "no sware word in product name 😠 "

[stone vine]

i mean it puts a lot of people off ig?

but its marked as mature so

[peak quail]

Wait isn't the GTFO universes in like 2030?

[stone vine]

nooo friend

more like 2060

2059 at the absolute earliest rn

[peak quail]

Sorry- why I meant is they were all born around 2030*

[stone vine]

nope

all born around like 2010 or so

gen z or alpha

[peak quail]

Oh, they were probably HSU'd at some point?

[stone vine]

they were multiple times

it was regular

[peak quail]

That makes them zoomers 😬😬😬

Cringe fuck ass game

[stone vine]

LOL

[peak quail]

I've been roleplaying as a ZOOMER this whole time???

[stone vine]

basically

[peak quail]

Fukign CRINGO 💯 fam

Oh no

It's happening

I've got TikToks to make

[stone vine]

tiktok canon existed in gtfo

and twitter

just imagine someone escapes and starts posting ab it

like that dude who was reporting to the truth am

[eternal talon]

over 100 messages... oh boy

[eternal talon]

the generations of Kovac Security Operatives. Genesis, Tau, Faulty, Sigma. (yes 'O' is Sigma for some reason)

[eternal talon]

faulty, as mentioned in the "we could use the meat" log after WRDN murdered a ton of sleeping KSOs that were infected if i am remembering correctly

[eternal talon]

yep

[eternal talon]

gameplay takes place in the mid 2060s to the early 2070s.

though given worldlines and the fact that we are in alt// right now... who the fuck knows.

[burnt wren]

eh, if you compare the logs there is a slight different in months

[eternal talon]

still same general year, though almost certainly 5-10 earlier

[eternal talon]

really? only months?

thats... strange

[burnt wren]

I think so, yes. Reliably a small difference of one-two months

I can go and find an example if you want

[eternal talon]

nah, i trust you

[burnt wren]

OG:
"Sorry for the delay. Crazy busy. Blueprints attached. Est. construction time is 20 months. Drilling in August 2050."

ALT:
"Blueprints attached. Sorry for the delay. Could have sworn I already sent them to you. Estimated construction time is 18 months. Drilling starts late July 2050."

[lilac island]

Could have sworn I already sent them to you.

This is like that one State of truth log

in R5A3

[burnt wren]

OG Merida earthquake happened 15 Match 2049.
ALT doesn't have a specific date, but mentioned it was in April.

All events in ALT happen a month later than OG.

[lilac island]

Alt could have possibly been the OG reality we were in getting fucked a bit by warden using teleporters so much

[burnt wren]

I had a funny idea that maybe the reason why Warden doing the multiverse shenanigans is that he's trying to win time... And maybe move the timeline a bit to get to some weirdass historical breakpoint that will allow him to do something special.

[lilac island]

Also, notice how glowsticks have different colours in normal and in alt levels?

[burnt wren]

No, wait a second... What the...

[lilac island]

isnt namv killed by hsu'ing the individual?

[burnt wren]

Earthquake happened a month later.
But drilling started a month earlier.

So there's not even a rule to this crap, its just "plus-minus"

[lilac island]

fucked up shit

i love the idea of alts

[burnt wren]

I don't. Writers are crap when it comes to multiverses and how they work.

The only show that got it "right" was Rick and Morty. At the price of completely destroying the concept of stakes, which they were completely fine with.

[lilac island]

Brick and mortar

[eternal talon]

green pog

[eternal talon]

yes. hence the word murder.

they'd've been okay

not that the kovac staff would know that though.

[lilac island]

then why does warden kill them

maybe something other than namv

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/albert-wesker-resident-evil-dead-by-daylight-dbd-sus-gif-26633972

like what

[lilac island]

mental instability?

or critical vital levels

[burnt wren]

Or they were just collateral damage

[lilac island]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qoKB_WTKQwCfrndmB57WOG_wdAed41-hLLGRiQXZdkk/https/media.tenor.com/uolvO3kwfoYAAAPo/albert-wesker-resident-evil.mp4

fuck

collateral damage for what?

[eternal talon]

**D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.exec_branch/MGantusB623.flagged

From: Christopher Getz B488
To: Marcus Gantus B623
Date: September 11th 2053
Subject: BIOCOM permissions

Marcus,

We’ve been having some issues with the BIOCOM interface in Overflow Vault 3. I’m seeing a lot of signal interference between the mainframe nexus point in the storage vault and the HSU dispersal bank. We have hundreds of HSUs throwing up signal degradation alerts (and I assume you’re seeing the warnings on your end too).

I don’t think it’s a shielding issue. I think the run from the mainframe to the vault is just too long and I need to construct additional pylons. To gather the resources needed for an additional pylon I need approval from you of course.

I’m worried if we don’t solve this issue we may end up with a failure cascade. These HSUs are all F/Infected classification so I guess it wouldn’t be the end of the world if we lost the meat, but the freezers may come in handy someday - or at least we may end up needing them as Deep backups or organ donations etc.

LMK

Chris Getz B488
HSU Maintenance**

"issues with the biocom interface" ~~
whatever it is, it is deliberate~~

the pylons are out of range... hmm.

https://tenor.com/view/pylon-starcraft-protoss-sketchfab-alinai-gif-19051731

there are multiple plausible explinations

either warden was slowing the signal, kovac engineers were incompetent, or someone sabotaged it like that guy that broke into the Hyrostasis storage before.

[lilac island]

what's the log for the guy breaking into hsu storage

i wanna read that

[eternal talon]

**D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.med_core/DLockwoodsA074.flagged

Mr. Johanson,

On August 8th at 07:48 a Santonian employee was discovered in the hydrostasis unit storage area

Mr. Piros has advised me of your request for more Kovac involvement in future expeditions. The current approach to operative debriefing, situation training, and resource management will not scale well for your proposed usage. However, we do have a command system that will fit your needs.

BIOCOM. Managing operations through BIOCOM would ensure full coverage for all future expeditions, coordinate additional stationed security posts throughout the facility, and provide round the clock protection or surveillance for all POIs within the theatre of operation (currently Garganta itself and the red zone on the peninsula). BIOCOM is a DI that will take control of resource tracking, supply management, objective specific training, operative briefing, and rapid response deployment.

That's the pitch done. The long and the short of it is BIOCOM handles things better than any human can, It doesn’t sleep, doesn’t make bad decisions based on compassion, and unlike human COs, has a 100% success rate for all fifteen of its deployments (if you need to know more, we’ll have to do some paperwork). It still requires human oversight to handle some of the more sensitive ethical considerations, but even that can be pre-programmed to fit your ruleset.

It would take a few months to transition over. We should start now.**

[lilac island]

i wonder what was that employee doing in a hsu storage area?

[burnt wren]

This feels like a badly written log

We had that happen before - logs leaking into each other because the guy copypasted them everywhere

No one was prudent enough to double check

On one hand - i understand, but on the other... Come on man, you have one job. Just triple check what you're copypasting and where.

[peak quail]

Are in game physical elements like the way security doors and alarms work dismissible from lore as they intend to serve gameplay issues?

Or did garganta really have the fuckiest wuckiest security known to man

[burnt wren]

I prefer to believe the latter. This security system makes no sense no matter how you look at it. There is no fucking way Dr Bob has to stand in 5 specific spots with his coffee cup just trying to get to his work office.

My best explanation is that its not really a "scan" but more so Warden is hacking into various micro-chips and security sub-systems using us wi-fi beacons, which is why we have to be close for it to work.

[peak quail]

"damnit Steve get back in the S scan we're gonna be late"

[plush sigil]

I like to think that the big security doors only closed when the facility went on lockdown and that outside of super sensitive areas normally they're all wide open since they did have manned security all over the place

[harsh pike]

thats why it fell so fast

"How do we get to the armory?!"

"Stand in a bunch of circles for 5 minutes!"

[harsh pike]

there was a log that stated there was a facility-wide lockdown once things went to shit

doesn't explain who the fuck was locking all the doors from both sides and crates

[eternal talon]

that'd be the warden

getting people killed in the proccess

**../BIOCOM
audio intercept
meta3.date_stamp(561125.160643)
concern begins/..

//transcript follows...

D017
You're not listening to me I am getting no response at all not a bounce back the message is getting there nothing is coming back so it

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
[Security tier not met. Update credentials for transcript]

D017
Right so is the network down on your end

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
[Security tier not met. Update credentials for transcript]

D017
I tried that I tried everything at my tier blast doors media [inaudible] temperature con

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
[Security tier not met. Update credentials for transcript]

D017
yes temperature control I can't even turn on the fucking lights

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
[Security tier not met. Update credentials for transcript]

D017
How the fuck do I do that when there is no elevator I have no power fuck are you even listening to me I am trapped down

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
[Security tier not met. Update credentials for transcript]

D017
You know as well as I do there is only one thing that can override every system in the place and that’s [biocom] but I can't find any controllers down

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
[Security tier not met. Update credentials for transcript]

D017
So it's not even possible it could go wrong I am the one who is stuck here you fucking asshole oh no

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
[Security tier not met. Update credentials for transcript]

D017
Oh jesus christ no what the hell is that please come and get me please I am begging you**

**RESPONSE COORDINATOR
[Security tier not met. Update credentials for transcript]

D017
Oh no please you fucking assholes

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
[Security tier not met. Update credentials for transcript]

D017
[inaudible]

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
[Security tier not met. Update credentials for transcript]

D017
[inaudible]

../BIOCOM
personnel files updated
alert system flagged
concern ends/..
**

[harsh pike]

applying padlocks and electrical locks to doors?

[eternal talon]

padlocks and door locks aren't randomly generated assets via level strings, they always stay the same, so in some aspect they are canon, so in regards to the electrical locks, they could just auto-lock on a timer and are much simpler to open if you consider that we are literally hacking them open, rather than just spending half a second with the correct keycard

for padlocks, i've got no answer other than paranoid santonian staff

granted i have autism, i know i personally would check the same door 3-4 times to make sure it is sealed, so just saying fuck it and using a padlock isnt entirely out of the question

given they open vertically, there is no say that without that that someone trying to break in couldn't just slide it up a little bit like a garage door

[cold sphinx]

Same

They needed safe havens to hide

Idk bout the blood doors tho

I could only imagine those who were unlucky to be shred to pieces near the door trying to scan nor open it

[harsh pike]

i wonder how the fuck those doors are even closed

[cold sphinx]

Use the same tech as your normal garage door

Its heavy and unnecessary but shit does it gets the job done

[harsh pike]

people at garganta mustve been annoyed as shit

there isn't one real door in the entire place

[cold sphinx]

Rather let it wither in time than let anyone know of their doings

[cold sphinx]

As unbelievable as it sounds

They were made after the virus

Made perfect sense cause why would you want everything being overrun in merely minutes

But alas

There isn’t even a cafeteria bor bathrooms

Big minus

[harsh pike]

or sleeping quarters

dont think ive ever seen those either

[cold sphinx]

Imagine shitting in the gardens or hsus

The food problem can be solved with dried up food

Sleeping is done in HSUs

Likely hood of all staff having connections to real life time is when they are working

Other than that they are sent back to hydrostasis

[harsh pike]

no way they had the entire staff, miners, all that, in HSUs

[cold sphinx]

Yes

Imagine KDS deep

[cunning kayak]

"Mr. Clinton, there's a pile of shit in my HSU. Care to explain?"

[harsh pike]

the memory issues would've been insane wouldnt they have been

[cold sphinx]

Housing tons of KSOs

[cold sphinx]

They are stored

[harsh pike]

but garganta didn't just have KSOs

[cold sphinx]

The HSUs have been said by the interviewer to hackett

Memory wipe

[cold sphinx]

Ik

But look at the tech they have

They likely didn’t need much man power

And likely have staff monitoring the machines working

[harsh pike]

for digging/mining they did

[brittle wyvern]

Do they ever explain what the actual cause of the infection is or do we even know?

[cold sphinx]

A team of 8-10 peps is well over enough to dig up alot

[harsh pike]

on garganta's scale though?

[cold sphinx]

Not that i know of

[harsh pike]

that place is unfathomably huge

[cold sphinx]

Seeing the big hole and what they build in

One can speculate

Thw real thing is

How did they operate

How did they transport all of the needs down here

Via slopes done by digging or dropping it with the cage drop

[brittle wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

[cold sphinx]

The only place we see well done and polished is the gardens/data center

Same can be said with labs

But storage/dig site tile sets are very crudely made

Like they only to house and transfer cargos

With forklifts everywhere

But not a single drilling vehicle

If you look up (gamers dont look up) youll see the ceiling and layout looks almost like a cavern

And places like R1C1 and R4B2 which have a hole in the wall

Is also crudely made for the sole purpose of fast examinations or what not even more than that

[dusty tiger]

what if dig site is just a temporary state before they start building labs and refineries

[cold sphinx]

Basically what i was saying

But yes

Its like that

[eternal talon]

Personnel bunks are described in logs tho

Same with a cafeteria

[eternal talon]

SMC broke into the inner and released nam-v and the parasite. Read the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel

[eternal talon]

Bruh you see hundreds of them in the digsite tileset, embedded in the walls

They were left begind

Giant mole drill-heads

[cold sphinx]

oh yea did they?

[eternal talon]

Yes

I shouldn't really need to send a picture for that

[cold sphinx]

sure lemme look for it on my runs

thanks for pointing it out

[lilac island]

R5A3 was changed a bit

The only open terminal in the terminal hub room in og was the right one

left and middle blocked

now left is open right and middle locked

[cold sphinx]

oh yeah

i didnt see it

thanks

now that you sent it

[eternal talon]

there are hundreds... basically every sub-zone has one in digsite

in the ceiling, in the walls, everywhere

[cold sphinx]

i never ran into the end of anyrooms

and gamers dont look up

[eternal talon]

cave leech/barnacle gamer?

[cold sphinx]

yeah

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_ld5ij1aH0

[stone vine]

yea it’s called digsite and refinery for a reason lol

those r the like smc “very typical mining branch areas”

floodways, labs, datacenter r all the kind of shady shit

[stone vine]

to think that had dreyfus not been a corrupt evil corporation then like over 90% of the world wouldn’t be dead rn

[eternal talon]

indeed, but thats how these stories go

[stone vine]

yeah pretty much

and if they had better security instead of whatever they had going on

people wouldnt have been able to escape quarantine

we can tell how shit all security is down there by the fact it got hacked and that we r given gear that is horrible

[short star]

we've yet to get anywhere near the "fossil" or egg right?

iirc thats where the laser was fired from that gave us the hole that we go down through?

[stone vine]

they’ve been in it

that’s why the lasers were fired because they drilled straight into it

the egg is either some allen spaceship or some giant being of sorts

but allen spaceship seems to make the most sense atm and frost can explain it

she is allen prodigy

[eternal talon]

The gun didn't fire because they drilled into something.

The gun fired the very day after Hammerstein described wanting to play various frequencies of sound in the inner to judge the response of the sleepers down there.

It was triggered by sound, but the details beyond that are unknown to us

[burnt wren]

One of the logs directly mentions that the "gun" was aiming for the sleepers, specifically

It was aimed at hotspots where KOVAC were holding the swarm back, and it allowed KOVAC to push the swarm back for good that time. Albeit they still took some losses as well.

[eternal talon]

maybe it was tuned for some specific variant of sleeper originating from destination? like how every variant has a different wave spawn scream

since the allens wouldn't have human sleepers' sounds programmed,

since they crashed waaaaaaay before

(and were miles underground before they all died-eded)

[burnt wren]

Its hard to guess at this point. There are 2 major theories i have:

1. The basic theory:
   Whatever is down there is not fond of sleepers and their spreading, so it tries to keep them locked inside Garganta (kinda a failed mission, since we know they are now on the surface anyway... (source: UN expedition)).

2. The Big Brain 4D Chess Multiverse theory:
   Everything is specifically done to secure Garganta as an asset so that Warden could use it do whatever is it its doing.
   Its not really about saving humanity or containing sleepers - they just need Garganta cleared of both to ensure take over and get access to resources, assets, research, KDS Deep, etc etc etc.
   With access to multiverse and being aware of it - it stands to reason that the puppet master knows what's going to happen and approximately when, all he needs to do is to put his pieces in the right places and make perfectly timed plays, like charging that gun just before Hammerstein was about to do his big brain experiment and then firing into contested spots wiping out major man power of both KOVAC and the infested.

Frankly at this point the second option sounds more plausible.

[stone vine]

really? this is my first time hearing that

i must have missed it

i js assumed bc of the schaeffer log describing what happened

[stone vine]

what if warden is allen technology? unless thar is alr what u r alluding to

and would make the most sense with allen theory

then again would that not mean allens can live like...

a stupid long time

i wonder if they were frozen in time or something

and drilling into the inner kind of crumbled it or som along the lines

and thats possibly how the virus kept getting out? earthquakes cracking the ice slightly?

[burnt wren]

I mean its all but confirmed at this point... Much as i hate the idea. The logistics of successfully hacking and overtaking a digital system written by a different species are batshit crazy, and yet all evidence points to Warden being anything but human made construct.

[stone vine]

well yeah like i said about the bioweapon theory before

it sounds dumb

but its confirmable and way more so than anything else

which is insane considering how fast this plot line was brought into the story like

it was all but a bioweapon and suddenly r6 happens and boom alternate universes plus allens

the only alternate universe we ever kind of experienced was during r3c1 when alpha somehow managed to like duplicate?

this game would be a lot harder to explain without allens and thats probably why they implimented the idea

the disease is explainable but realistically impossible

alternate universes and allens are just theories so a lot easier to mess around with yk

also have we still not figured out allen log yet????

ive not been given an answer to that

if not then its probably information we haven't received yet

all logs are explainable but sometimes it takes forever

like the unit log in r4 that was not explainable until unit lore

[stone vine]

its that or he somehow managed to play a frequency they understood on accident

like how orcas communicate with frequencys

and can even start to mimic us by using our frequencies

theyre smarter than us and can probably understand us and yet we cant understand them well because of how advanced they are

kind of how allen log is complete jumble to us and yet if the above is all true they are 10x smarter than we are

just to create warden you would have to be extremely smart

and we have been heavily referenced to the fact warden is not completely an ai (as in it didn't somehow create itself completely or run itself it still takes input)

there is someone behind it

and unless someone completely insided garganta (would likely have to be a direct creator of biocom to understand it so well) then the only other thing could really be the allens did somehow learn our language that fast and are urging us to complete things for some motive they have

really who on earth would need something down in the inner? who even knows what is in the inner that well?

sure they were in it

they didn't understand it

there's something at the bottom that not only is warden trying to reach but also for some reason schaeffer

he wants to escape but he also remembers needing to go deeper for something?

which who knows might be a completely awful idea bc who says the allens like anything about us

[dim scroll]

Those who have the highest authority probably

[stone vine]

right but like what r u gonna do with a giant allen specimen

after the world is dead

[dim scroll]

We know Schaeffer had one of the highest authority levels within SMC and seemingly is aware of who has the skills to literally take control of the elevator

No idea

[stone vine]

thats what i mean

seems unlikely BUT could be true

[dim scroll]

We don't even know what the warden (and whoever injected the warden protocol into biocom) is trying to do

[stone vine]

exactly

thats why everything is so hard to figure out

warden just does things

like unexplainable things

why does it need pmom trial samples?

[dim scroll]

It sounds like it wants to take control of the complex again

If it was simply "obliterating the sleepers" we would be given much more resources & tasked to kill everything in sight

And we know we're trying to go deeper

[stone vine]

im p sure warden and schaeffer have the same objective

for different reasons

[dim scroll]

I wonder

To reach the 2000m point, for sure

[stone vine]

but i feel like schaeffer, although he is still disconnected, is still taking us to the same place

[stone vine]

yes

we are headed straight for where they left off basically

so clearly theres something that far down

the only hints weve been given are by hammerstein who says "they get more deformed as we go down" essentially

[dim scroll]

Yeah it's kinda expected

[stone vine]

so the possibilities is allens or some almagamation of sleeprs

[dim scroll]

The deeper we go, the more dangerous the sleepers are

[stone vine]

yes so far immo and tank but those r man-made so 0-0

wonder what they were made out of yk

must have been some extra juicy materials down there

[dim scroll]

I know you can see tank's eyes

[stone vine]

they all have eyes

p much

[dim scroll]

Yeah

[stone vine]

chargers even have pupils

so they can likely see without the black biomass

[dim scroll]

Well chargers have the whole face in fact

[stone vine]

which is scary

[dim scroll]

The lower jaw is "melted"

[stone vine]

yes they dont need it anymore as they eat with the giant tape worm that comes out of their face

extra set of teeth in there

[stone vine]

very efficient

see

little white dots

my man can definitely see

[dim scroll]

Well it's seeing the ceiling

😳

[stone vine]

who took that photo bro

[dim scroll]

the devs

[stone vine]

no no

who

in game

[dim scroll]

wot

[stone vine]

would have possibly thought

it was a good idea

[dim scroll]

lmao

[stone vine]

to take a photo of that

and why is it naked

ive been looking for the naked chargers since r3

its been years and no naked chargers

theyre in all the teasers too!

here it is

look

hes naked

where r these naked ass chargers

everytime a charger is in the art its naked??

even on the poster

that man is the same color as the striker next to him not any darker

and his eyes r very visible

[stone vine]

oh also unless his pupils are always that tiny his eyes r dialating because of the light

weird

wait that might not be the rifht word

[dim scroll]

Nah they just blacken

[stone vine]

is dilated bigger? ayways they change

[dim scroll]

It's similar to tank & mother

And yes dilated = bigger iris

[stone vine]

yes ok i thought so

but like

tank and mom r pure black

he even still has an eyebrow

:D

[dim scroll]

I think it's the light's reflection at this point

[stone vine]

i mean i would agree

but i was looking at the ingame model

[dim scroll]

Guess the devs were bothered with adding a material with 0 reflection

[stone vine]

and if u look in the right lighting

theres tiny dots

in the middle of its eyes

[dim scroll]

It's weird ngl

[stone vine]

and maybe they just have weird eye textures or maybe they just have pupils

[dim scroll]

Shadows are a mistery as well

[stone vine]

who knows

[dim scroll]

Since their textures make no sense

[stone vine]

well nothing invisible rlly makes sense

not sure what would cause that

[dim scroll]

They're invisible and not invisible at the same time

[stone vine]

all natural sleepers r caused by "environmental factors"

[dim scroll]

As in you can see them with light

[stone vine]

what environmental factor is being invisible

[dim scroll]

But you can see behind them at the same time

[stone vine]

yeah its

mad weird

we know its probs natural though because they were trying to add that trait to the units

[dim scroll]

It's not true anymore when it's pitch dark for some reason

Or very little

And shadows' existence doesn't make sense either

I wouldn't be surprised if they're alien

[stone vine]

everything is allen

like actually for real

[dim scroll]

Aren't they mostly human ?

[stone vine]

yes mixed with allen

thus they r allen

the virus IS an allen

[dim scroll]

😔

[stone vine]

its life from the butterfly nebula

super far away

[dim scroll]

Yeah but the subjects are still human beings

[stone vine]

so its some allen life form

yes

all sleepers are humans

but they r allens

at what point do u say its more allen or human

it can be both or either

human body repurposed by allen parasites and virus

[dim scroll]

Well they're not human anymore for sure

and still alive

[stone vine]

yes :D

[bronze wing]

theyre not aliens if they aren't alien

[stone vine]

but they are allens

theres allens inside of them controlling them

if some allen being came and say

[bronze wing]

allens?

[stone vine]

stole ur skin

it would still be allen

allen = alien

[bronze wing]

then I'd be a skinless indigenous guy

[stone vine]

awesome

i love ur enthusiasm

but point is

its just an allen inside of a human

its both

but more towards being an allen

[bronze wing]

but its still a modified people

making them themselves not aliens

[stone vine]

well yes

but the sleepers r allens

because a sleeper is a parasite and a person put together

[dim scroll]

alien-controlled humans

[stone vine]

yes

this is funny lmao

theyre part allen part human i agree

the human is technically still completely useable too

they did mention rna editing possibly being able to bring people back

only a possibility tho

[dim scroll]

RNA editing isn't enough to completely bring people back

Even if you technically bring their consciousness back, i don't think there's anything that can be done to remove the freaking mouth in the middle of the males' head

Or separating the bodies making the mothers

[stone vine]

yeah exactly but it can “bring them back” but who would want to live as a deformed blob

[dim scroll]

What's scary is that we don't even know if they lost consciousness actually

Perhaps they still have it and feel everything but can't control their bodies

[stone vine]

like the last of us

some of em are still somewhat conscious

[dim scroll]

And sleeping might be their only way to technically not "suffer"

[stone vine]

that’s freaky

i mean hopefully not tho because typically parasites change your brain and behavior

so hopefully they just have no conscious

or just accept everything

the virus did make them more inclined to accept what was happening to their bodies

[dim scroll]

I was thinking of attack on titan's titans

As the people transformed into titans are aware of it but can't do anything

[stone vine]

well good thing were curbstomping lots of sleepers with hammers

[eternal talon]

the dates of the two logs line up perfectly. hammerstein talks about planning on doing experiments the next day and the log with the explosion is literally the very next day

[eternal talon]

the audio log in alt//r1/r2? nope. still unsolved.

not that i think anyone is really trying at this point

all of our standard methods proved fruitless

[eternal talon]

given the earliest times that the inner and the virus was opened up was in the 16th century due to earthquakes that exposed the mayans to nam-v, the allens, if active down there in some locked away zone of their ship, would have still known about humanity for a very, very long time.

[eternal talon]

SMC accidentally cracked some chambers open while trying to mine it for iridium (they still thought it was a meteor at this point) and then insight came in and made intentional excevations to explore more and more of it.

[eternal talon]

to add on to this, from several insight logs, it is clear hammerstein and his team have made many many well-mapped expeditions into the inner, with even SMC drilling near it towards the end of the timeline. Insight is described to have found easily dozens of artifacts and specimens, infected or not, from many different planets and universes down there presumeably in stasis or infected

[eternal talon]

given they likely didn't know HSU was a countermeasure (we'd've seen tons of people still left alive if they did), they could have been searching for a cure the allens were working on or developed, like they were in r6BX/DX on destination where we get the genome database, aswell as r6d1

it is still unknown at this time if the genome database we collected for the warden was something humanity made while on destination, or something they found.

[eternal talon]

likely the incredible speeds at which RISE units grow, like how mothers pump out hundreds of full size babies in seconds, while it'd take a normal human months for even one

[stone vine]

yes but they didn't understand it in full like i said they went down there

[eternal talon]

/biologial research

[stone vine]

but what specifically so significant could they have found

we haven't really been told yet

it would have to be pretty significant to make an entire ai that utilizes people in mass to go down and collect it yk

[eternal talon]

i'm not so sure of this. I don't recall this ever being explicitly shown or stated. even the case in r7c1 could have just been a tank they were storing one in.

[stone vine]

r4d2

if tank is man made

so is immo

and the r4d2 tank room is pretty significant evidence

also we know that mom was made through experimentation also

and they are held very similarly

[eternal talon]

i'd argue not quite. the scene it depicts for me is very very different.

[stone vine]

right its all up to depiction

[eternal talon]

that it was just in there and the units were woken, which disturbed it

since there is no tank that would've housed it in that room like we see in r7c1

even the smaller sleeper tanks look very very different to HSUs

[stone vine]

youre correct about there being no like vat for it to be stored in but mom doesn't have one either

it simply could be they were moved there

[eternal talon]

i disagree. the allens were a species native to destination that were infected, not the infection themselves.

sleepers we see in garganta are 95% human

[stone vine]

the virus is an allen by definition

[eternal talon]

with the remainders now being the floaters and such that are infected creatures native to destination

[stone vine]

i wasn't saying it was the allen species in game

[eternal talon]

if you have the flu that doesnt make you the flu

[stone vine]

thats not what i was saying frost

i was just saying technically speaking

life from different planets

= alien

[eternal talon]

nam-v and the parasite are alien

[stone vine]

exactly

wait

[eternal talon]

allen is a term very specifically used for the species of hyper-advanced aliens

since we don't have an official name for them yet.

[stone vine]

i thought it was a cute name for alien...

[eternal talon]

no

[stone vine]

gosh

my bad LOL

yeah i hope that clears up the confusion

allen not equal alien

i mean that sleepers are technically aliens because they do have a foreign parasite controlling them

not that theyre 100% alien

that tthey are a mix

of human and alien

[eternal talon]

they discovered literal multiversal travel, so anything is possible.

[stone vine]

the world is dead

what could warden want

or i should say whoever is behind it

thats what im tryna say

they explored the inner and found things clearly... but worth making an ai that sacrafices people?

[eternal talon]

not as simple of an explination as the alternative. I cannot disprove you since its just a lack of information on the topic, but occam's razor leads me to believe the otherwise

[stone vine]

tbh everything is non confirmable atm

im here for opinions and things i missed

[eternal talon]

i'm not sure on the specifics of this, i'm no biologist, but i still dont think that's technically correct

an ant being infected by cordaceps isnt a fungus

its still an ant, regardless of if it is controlling itself

they are just two separate organisms

[stone vine]

i was making more so of a joke tbh

but

i was just trying to say

[eternal talon]

there is no symbiosis between the humans and the parasite, it is purely control

[stone vine]

sleeper is alien and human

like ant with fungus

is ant and fungus

its both

both are alive

i just so happened to make it through a very blunt statement

[stone vine]

well yes

[eternal talon]

assuming what you are, that the warden is an allen construct, it could simply not view our lives as valuable compared to its mission. like how you wouldn't consider stepping on an ant while walking to work, it's just insignificant. and as the allens literally cross the multiverse, we are very very insignificant compared to them

[stone vine]

exactly !

thats why im saying

its allen made

sorry if i have been making it confusing my ideas get very jumbled

from atleast my moral point of view

[eternal talon]

right now we have it narrowed down that either a: warden is an allen construct, or b: it is a kovac inside job as a sort of backup, as an andre piros leaves it to a "he is either lying or telling the truth" style statement

[stone vine]

theres no point if it was a human

[stone vine]

pretty much

[eternal talon]

you are okay, i'll figure out what you mean eventually regardless.

i am here to help, probably the most active person in this channel

[brittle wyvern]

Guessing r8 is prob gonna give yall a lot more to work on hopefully

[stone vine]

yeah sorry i just think abt a lot of things at once

and then try to say it all

and it comes out terribly

LMAO

[stone vine]

oh yeah

[eternal talon]

r8 is almost guranteed to be a dissapointment, but tons to work with, sure, most likely.

[stone vine]

unless they reveal the entire story and fuck off

[eternal talon]

they've written to many narrative plot-holes

[stone vine]

which is a huge possibility !

[eternal talon]

like the schaeffer discrepancy, at a minimum

[stone vine]

yeah to the point theres so many answers to everything

and also i dislike the allen plotline

this could have been some cool plague inc super virus

but its now allens

personal opinion but

boring imo

[eternal talon]

(if you are unfamilliar with this, it goes like this: schaeffer locks himself in KDS deep and seals it. warden has us access KDS deep in r5e1 to retrieve all the KSOs inside. all of R5 is lifting the lockdowns schaeffer initiated to get inside and give warden control of it. so i ask you, how does schaeffer, who is asleep in KDS deep, break free of the warden in r4?)

GTFO has a number of these mindfucks.

[stone vine]

like i said

they forget their own logs

also yeah wtf

why would schaeffer who locked himself in an hsu in kds deep be released in r5 but somehow out in r4

also being under warden control...

that does make little sense

[eternal talon]

its even funnier when you consider he told us in r4 to go "deeper" to KDS-deep

lmao

[stone vine]

2 schaeffer theory

alt schaeffer and real schaeffer exist together O_O omg !

im kidding

but i swear something like that might happen

[eternal talon]

this was a thing that was discovered in like r6

way before alt