gtfo-lore

[burnt wren]

The holes are what the beams left behind.

[cold sphinx]

Ah

[burnt wren]

Pay attention next time you drop. It looks like an explosion went off.

[cold sphinx]

That explains alot

Yeah

[burnt wren]

It burned all the way to the surface

[cold sphinx]

Could see the rubbles and steel shrapnel

But hey

This might be late to ask but

What really is the main way these things reproduce

Multiplying in the great numbers

[burnt wren]

Big shrug

We know for a fact at least some are mutated humans

But then the cocoons exist

And mothers... Do the little ones grow up, or?...

[cold sphinx]

Im thinking about them assimilate humans

[cold sphinx]

I think the birthers can be a big sorta to cause they are red variant

[burnt wren]

Frankly all 3 could be true simultaneously.

[cold sphinx]

And the white are assimilated

[harsh pike]

this makes sense 'cause the ripped up pieces of metal are pointing upwards

indicating it came from within

[cold sphinx]

Idk bout giants and hybirds tho

[burnt wren]

But it doesn't explain why cocoons reliably produce standard human like sleepers.

[harsh pike]

i think strikers are 'native' aliens aren't they?

[burnt wren]

Surely they would be producing random ass flesh horrors.

[harsh pike]

but they can assimilate humans to become basically. the same thing

[cold sphinx]

It could cause if you look at how long they take to form

[burnt wren]

Nah.

[cold sphinx]

Hmm

[burnt wren]

Look up for an example of the native

Where is it...

[cold sphinx]

[cold sphinx]

It could be a nuke explosion

[burnt wren]

That's not how it works.

Nukes create craters, not tunnels.

[cold sphinx]

Idk how much power anything could do that in that deep

Yeah it was a wild card guess

[burnt wren]

Well at this point I'm 99% certain its an ancient alien ship.

And someone there still knows how to operate it.

[cold sphinx]

Well we did warped

[harsh pike]

schaeffer pushing random buttons

[cold sphinx]

So possibly big chance

[cold sphinx]

/gamemode 1

I really love R6B1

[burnt wren]

He wasn't even a KSO at this point. He was overseeing a drilling operation when things blew up. We have letter of him talking to his friend after the fact.

[cold sphinx]

Warped to a desolated land is fun

Wait on R6B1 what was the outpost name was again?

[harsh pike]

alpha....two?

[cold sphinx]

A1 was 3 or something

[cold sphinx]

Jamming up my memories rn

[charred vault]

is this real? holy cow.... this means gtfo actually happened?

i need a minute

[cold sphinx]

Not sure why you are surprised

I can do much worse than him

[eternal talon]

stopped just shy of it.

[finite vine]

so just noticed that in this log it is said that on the day of the giant QGP beam explosion, right before the explosion occurred, project insight broke into a chamber deep underground. inside the previously sealed chamber, a sleeper was found.

how was a sleeper all the way down inside that sealed chamber? does this mean that some sleepers are not human? because how would a human even get down there to be infected in the first place?

^the log, from ALT://R5

[jaunty widget]

I do remember it being sealed but this log isn't saying it was sealed. Granted if Gianna's team are the people doing the drilling then it means how they found it was through a wall but that doesn't mean it has to be sealed same way if you drilled through to a cave system it doesn't mean that's the only entrance into it so maybe I'm just making up remembering it was actually a sealed chamber they found?

[burnt wren]

It 100% implies they found a new room

[jaunty widget]

Right but again, finding a room and going in through a wall does not imply there is not a door

[burnt wren]

Sleepers are not universally human

Fliers are an example of that

They're still part of their hive

...they just don't sleep, usually

[harsh pike]

good question

something something gameplay reasons

[strange grove]

because chimp's brain matter is concentrated in the back of the head
so, the sleepers, being mutated chimps, would naturally take more damage there

[keen mantle]

I think it’s cuz of parasites itself. I’m they use the head as a main part but If the head is shot of with the vital portions still alive, then it would still be active

Hence why the “worm” part of it (the ones licking us) can still get us

[lilac island]

maybe in stealth the parasite didnt move from the back of the head (you snooze you lose)

since it doesn't know it will get hit

[harsh pike]

i assume the parasite 'rests' in their stomach

that's why it looks so fucked up

and it can still lick with no head + a blown apart chest

[lilac island]

wasn't their tongues alr in their stomachs? weren't the tongues mutilated bowels?

[harsh pike]

i figured the tongues were the parasite

[lilac island]

also

didnt it say somewhere the parasites were just in symbiosis with virus particles?

[cold sphinx]

They are creatures that resembles alot of microscopic creatures

They can detach parts on their bodies and the main body still functions fine

Like the microscopic hydra for instance

It also meant that they dont bleed

The blood splattered all over you screen is there organic material being sliced up and or blown off

Oh wait @burnt wren do the sleepers regenerate or they just stay with their wounds

[burnt wren]

last i checked - latter, damage they take is permanent

[cold sphinx]

Imagine frank or Tyrone with their legs blown off

Completely new animations set

[cold sphinx]

Don’t mention it

[plush nest]

I have a few questions that I am just going to list regarding the logs in r5a2

What does Duada mean by this is the eleventh plague?
Did woods know that nam-v was going to happen, and does he know about the multiverse?

[burnt wren]

Probably a religious reference to plagues. I think he understood that namv can't be beaten so might as well.

Not sure about Woods, but he definetely knows something. Or at the very least he believes he does, and it just happens to align with the events.
I think he's getting premonitions and unlike most people he reads them for what they are and fully trusts them whole everyone else questions them and slowly goes insane. Woods is already insane, so for him this is all according to plan.

[plush nest]

Listening to bishops log was kinda of sad, the “you don’t exist”

Very good voice acting though

[plush nest]

Ok thank you

[cold sphinx]

That what we came here for

[peak quail]

Biggest lore drop ever holy shit oh shit oh shit oh shit

Bishop 🤝 Hackett

[harsh pike]

fucking europeans

[orchid cargo]

man fuck dem mericans

[loud urchin]

don't be ridiculous, the English and the Irish will never get along

[peak quail]

That's what's so great, it's a forbidden secret love

[lilac island]

woods bout to kill them for being gay

[peak quail]

🤫

[solar nova]

Damn, didn't know GTFO was inspired by Shakespeare.

[lilac island]

wait so like, what actually are the sleepers

I know they operate kinda like necromorphs or some such

[raw terrace]

there's a document in the pinned comments that explains like at basic level all the lore, including what r sloipers, but as a short answer they r mutated humans that act funky

[cold sphinx]

Less hyper aggressive

And not fond of infecting victims

To assimilate them into their own

[lilac island]

weird

also what the fuck is the kraken

I dont think that was ever actually explained

[burnt wren]

Many things, but for the most part just mutants created by a parasite who is kept indefinitely alive by namv virus.
Theyre not zombies, they're not walking corpses. Just horribly transfigured organisms, the thing style.

[solemn kraken]

R6D1 boss

terrible terrible implementation, NOT something to look forward to

[lilac island]

yeah I know that

but like, what is it

lore wise

[burnt wren]

Big shrug, could be anything

Its clearly an apex sleeper form, but like...
Is it original?
Is it an infected form of something that actually lived on that planet?
Dead Space style final amalgamation of all the sleepers on the planet?
Toss a coin and your guess will be just as good as ours.

If we're lucky - we'll get an insight in ALT//R6

[harsh pike]

"Noooo dont look forward to the boss fight :("

[raw terrace]

weak talk
me and my team walkin into d1 hyped

[clear furnace]

Bro I loved the kracken it was cool af

Also I believe it was once an alien that made the parasite and/or the virus but was transformed by its own creation

Or I think its some sort of hive mind that is almost commanding sleepers back on Earth.

[burnt wren]

I know the "hit the crab's weak point for massive damage" is like a smear in gaming community, but i don't know

What were their alternatives? Just let us shoot him nilly willy until his HP bar runs out either way?

They're not doing custom cutscenes / QTEs, that much is clear so they can't even go Dead Space route

Hmmm... Maybe... One neat idea would be to have some kind of giant cannons pointed at the thing and we would have to execute terminal commands to shoot and maybe even reload them.

That would be very much on brand for the game.

But fine, i'll take glowing eyes too.

[clear furnace]

Carry the sheel to the cannon

I could see it

I think something that required a bit more coordination would be better. Though I still love the spectacle.

[harsh pike]

now hear me out

[clear furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825898827022073876/987370815634964490/CHATFISH.gif

[naive crow]

I have a theory as to what the kraken is
You know how sleeper corpses teleport away when they die? I think the kraken is all of that biomass pushed into an amalgam shape

[eternal talon]

humans can't teleport.

as far as we know the kraken is exclusively trapped on destination.

floaters also can't teleport back and forth, only locally. this is easily shown by the fact floaters dont appear in garganta until we accidentally let them in in r6b1

[finite vine]

what do u mean locally

[eternal talon]

take r7b1 for example, they teleport into the room with the neonate box via the roof of the greenhouse

they've never teleported from destination to earth before

they only got to earth because the wrdn failed to close the tether in r6b1

no floaters in the game before that

gameplay-wise, its because they weren't made yet.

story wise, its the only that fits.

-- i should say, best supported by evidence in-game

[finite vine]

valid assessment

[wary portal]

Is there an important text log this rundown? I havent been able to read trough all logs yet

Plus anyone got the log in r5d1, the door that open after you shut down reactor

Or another question anyone got all the logs from alt r5 they can DM me to

[burnt wren]

Just open up the wiki

Google: GTFO Alt Rundown 5 Logs

Should be first result

You can skip the character related logs

But there's a couple of completely new ones

[harsh saffron]

Just noticed that Alt R5 has no text logs that aren't a variation of older logs.

[broken oriole]

What will happen in alt r6? will we teleport back to r7e1?

[harsh saffron]

that would be pretty cool

[broken oriole]

wish we will get something such as ALT r6ex where we teleport back to r7e1 during mid mission and schaeffer asking where tf were we gone to

[harsh saffron]

I could certainly see some nice opportunities to visit some intereting locations/points in time, since we teleport so frequnetly in R6.

[wary portal]

Yeee thats why

[burnt wren]

Can't wait to see what will happen to R6 logs and most importantly to mandatory audio monologues.
Do you think they will change?

[broken oriole]

Make alt R6EX pls

[harsh saffron]

The audio logs are pretty cool to balance that out I guess ^^

[burnt wren]

I mean... Log is log

Audio or text - we are only interested in information it provides

While text logs remained untouched (mostly, there are differences) - we got some very cool audio ones.

Like NATO mission progressing deeper into the complex.

[burnt wren]

Or Mr Truth slowly losing his mind... Or Woods regaining it instead...

[cold sphinx]

Gotta love alt R5E1 audio log

[burnt wren]

Here's an interesting thought: do you think any of the guns that we use were specifically designed to fight sleepers?

[clear furnace]

Hel guns seem pretty sleeper heavy

Though again would be very useful for CQC in a real engagment considering how easily targets could line up or possibly penetrate through walls

[wary portal]

anyone got the log from R5D1 from the zone that opens when reactor shuts down

[burnt wren]

There are 2 of D1 logs, so it's one of them

One is describing effects of namv on victims, the other describes a suicide accident

Unless wiki is missing one...

Both are old logs, but theyre changed. The suicide in particular is much worse than the original one.

[harsh saffron]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_5.0_Logs#507-YJQ-FNB
Should be this one.

[pastel ether]

Sentries probably were.

seeing as they're able to detect sleepers in particular

(unless ofc they're programmed to just 'target anyone/anything who isn't Kovac' or something)

[burnt wren]

That's actually indeed how it works, there was a convo about that like a week ago

We had a log where a guy attempts to condence all the security procedures into one for everyone and he mentions turrets and reminds every to update their biometrics, in very bold text

[cold sphinx]

yesterday

[clear furnace]

Found this room in R7E1 after you get the last code for reactor.

Makes me think the Warden purposefully teleported Pablo back into the complex

[burnt wren]

but why would it do that...

[amber field]

where do the logs referencing a nato team begin?

[clear furnace]

To stop us from escaping, to kill us before we can do more damage to Biocom/ The Warden.

[harsh pike]

would it even have a self-defense mechanism like that? it seems completely wrecked after AWOL

[broken oriole]

Maybe we will be teleport back to this R7 universe's matterwave projector during ALT R6 🤔 💡

[harsh saffron]

The very first log that mentions it was back in R6D4: https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs#KLIW-432-B6Y
But the audio logs following the mission itself started with this log in Alt R3B1: https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_3.0_Logs#57H-K78-EVR

[plush nest]

Do we know that the original mission was for r7d2? The one that we were supposed to go on but they hit the breaks on the lift

[clear furnace]

thats the communications

heres the full

[plush nest]

So new hsu case things

[clear furnace]

If anything I think it would be a mission to prepare for another round of the neonatal process that we spent all of R7 doing

But its a lot deeper than most of those other missions

I doubt the depth refers to AWOL because this is the wardens interface

[plush nest]

Also this

R7c3 the warden opens the armoury and then supposedly does nothing?

I am curious on what the wardens main goal was here, if he just was going to leave us for dead? But then why open the armoury? Or try and get us out, again but it didn’t open anything we had to wait for Hendrickson to open it for us

[raw terrace]

maybe the warden was tryin to open it but was slower than henrickson [dik how to spell it anymore qwq] but the warden didnt had any problems with the armoury so it just opened right away

[clear furnace]

Possibly whatever is left of it is trying to fight back and now sees us as a threat.

Besides we may only be controlling the drop

[harsh pike]

Henrikkson opened the armory didnt he?

[cold sphinx]

No

That was the warden

Plugging in the main objective gave us down time to reach the armory before it could try to unlock towards extraction

[clear furnace]

I think this really validates the point that we really have no clue what the Wardens goals are

Whatever we think they might be are most likely wrong. Especially if he's helping a bunch of rouge KSO's survive their mission

[cold sphinx]

Even Schaffer digging up files reveals nothing

[cold sphinx]

It is trying to save alot of resources (like KDS deep)

[clear furnace]

Maybe it's getting ready for something

[cold sphinx]

Cause the worlds end is already is

And where u gonna find anyone willing to jump in a hsu and do ur bidding

[clear furnace]

Maybe our team is so valuable that he doesn't wanna let us die

[cold sphinx]

I wouldn’t think that

It sends us down and already said that prisoners/resources loss is high

So meaning that it dont give AF

[harsh pike]

I figured it was slowly working on a cure

Thats why we do all this science work with the babies

Some stem cell bullshit or something

[clear furnace]

than why would it have any incentive to help us if we are so expendable

[cold sphinx]

There is no cure

All the valued assets are dead

And or have no access to that

[cold sphinx]

Because were likely the only ones

If it could clone us

Then it will have a connection to us playing in simulations

[clear furnace]

Then again by R7 it already has access to KDS Deep

[cold sphinx]

Like how many players have survived and or completed the tasks given

[cold sphinx]

It is doing its mission

We simply get help from Schaffer and henrickson

But props to Schaffer for hitting the brakes

It was a move the warden cannot calculate

So the mission that you took the Trojan was likely under its nose

Without it noticing

Id imagine the Warden works and give out work loads in order to achieve goals set on A1 till E1

[eternal talon]

Given infinite worldlines, an infinite number of them.

[cold sphinx]

Oh wow

I didn’t have to ring the lore bell

Nice

Heya frostty

[eternal talon]

Crackpot theory time: what if the warden sent us over to ALT// because another warden ran out of KSOs?

[cold sphinx]

Could be

But it coulddd mean that were the only assets in that specific time

And its gathering alot of more resources

And KSOs

[eternal talon]

Schaeffer also got TP'd despite no longer being a controlled kso.

[cold sphinx]

For KDS

[eternal talon]

There is just so much we don't know

So much whack

[cold sphinx]

Yup

Alt makes everything we knew more blurry

And worse tbh

[eternal talon]

It's what time travel / alternate universes do to fiction

Stakes are no longer existent because there is the perfect ending out there somewhere

Deus-ex-machinas are easily explainable and infinite in quantity

"It was all a dream" but worse since it actively tries to be possible

[cold sphinx]

Could be that

Or all could be an simulation

Of us getting plugged in

Dunno yet

[eternal talon]

Only real piece of fiction that comes to mind that does it good is Steins;Gate, and that's just flipping it on its head and portraying the journey to that perfect ending

In gtfo, forgive me, but I've not seen much traveling.

We are side characters to schaeffer's story

And we only see it in infomercial sized chunks.

Like, where's THAT game?

[cold sphinx]

Well

Id say GTFI

Schaffer POV:

[eternal talon]

GordonFreeman.exe

[cold sphinx]

Nah

[eternal talon]

He is literally the vent man

[cold sphinx]

I think Schaffer is good on his own

[eternal talon]

The Doug rattman of gtfo

[cold sphinx]

Escaping the most encounters

Even pablo he survived

[eternal talon]

Honestly he is just more avoiding than escaping. He isn't like us. Hell, we don't even know if he still has any weapons

[burnt wren]

Maybe a pistol.

[eternal talon]

Anything he might have had when he was indoctrinated into the KSOs is probably long gone by now

Maintenance is a bitch

[burnt wren]

Eh. Our pistol looks like it could shoot in the dirt.

[eternal talon]

If there ever is a GTFO 2, it really aughta be a tighter story, maybe even singleplayer.

[nova python]

is the flavor text when selecting a level / dropping to a level supposed to be coms from our characters or other people ?

[raw terrace]

another people, other funky groups

[cold sphinx]

He definitely has

A nail gun

[cold sphinx]

From ours

Do you really think besides us there’s anyone or anything alive ?

[eternal talon]

It's not from us. R7d2 proves this.

It's previous squads the warden sent that died.

[cold sphinx]

Where at i dont remember

[eternal talon]

There are 32,000 KSOs in garganta

[eternal talon]

The level description, posted above

[cold sphinx]

Well yea but not down there talking or doing stuff right?

[eternal talon]

Also the numerous "distraction missions" like r6c3

[eternal talon]

They are very active.

[cold sphinx]

Huh

[eternal talon]

There were alternate teams helping warden collect the genome data in r6 extended Aswell that we forwarded the data to

[burnt wren]

At this point in - who the fuck knows

[eternal talon]

From r6dx when we go to the STAIRCASE OF DEATH

[eternal talon]

We aren't dead, so not us.

[burnt wren]

It could be other squads, but it doesn't explain why we can't find their corpses or why all the objectives are untouched

[eternal talon]

It also says previous transmission or something of the like

"Intercepted" maybe, I don't recall

[burnt wren]

Since many texts reffernce them carrying shit yet I don't see power cells just laying around in a puddle of blood

[cold sphinx]

Could be

[burnt wren]

And with multiverse bullshit sipping in - it could be alt realities where our lads didn't make it

[eternal talon]

No, it literally says, I just don't remember off the top of my head

When you go to select any level

Still in the menu

[burnt wren]

Or likewise... They did make it and Warden just relays the more important bits to us

[nova python]

yeah the whole untounched objectives thing is what made me ask the question, but I guess it's just a matter of gameplay being more important than lore

[cold sphinx]

Well we did hit the brakes

So likely we get to know what is the original objective stack

[burnt wren]

Just put a cell in a puddle of blood, it's not that hard.

[cold sphinx]

And thats just us saying it

I might be wrong tho

[burnt wren]

Btw we are just sleeping on a log of Warden updating his alternate selves

Updating W4DN(Local) : 1/18485738

[cold sphinx]

Well we always get injections via chemical compound that dont make us go into monke mode like maddox

[burnt wren]

LOCAL

[cold sphinx]

Huh

[burnt wren]

That implies existence of the Main Warden

God only knows what is that

[cold sphinx]

Now that really completely lost me

Ma brain hurts now

Frick

[fluid crypt]

Alright boys tell me what’s cooking in here with that juicy LORE

[raw terrace]

im cookin pasta

[cold sphinx]

@eternal talon sounding the lore bell

[raw terrace]

lore pasta

[cold sphinx]

Did bishop and his team successfully did they’re mission?

Or did the whole team die

Ans Bishop was dragged back the our world via tether distortion

[fluid crypt]

Ooooh, dimensional tomfoolery?

[cold sphinx]

Yep

The thing was dr Stokes and her team of valued assets was conducting the warp gate

@burnt wren anything u got on Dr stokes my good sir?

She was the director of the warp gate am i right?

[burnt wren]

Not super sure with her. She was overseeing the teleportation ops in R6, she butted heads with Hammerstein a lot because he's an ass hole and once he died - she became the new head of project insight

She's also the one who cracked the planetside time discrepancy for us

[cold sphinx]

@fluid crypt continue the chain bro

[cold sphinx]

But how did they pull bishop back

[burnt wren]

Nobody knows, he just got teleported back in

I think MWP just does that

[cold sphinx]

What was the objective for the team tho

Like scouting?

[burnt wren]

I think he was just a security detachment

[cold sphinx]

Huh

Thats doesn’t make any sense at all ngl

[burnt wren]

The big goal was just... Exploration

They were checking things, air, trying to find something useful

[cold sphinx]

But yea supposedly theyre all there to explore

[cold sphinx]

And then they got swarmed by flyers and a pack

Maybe

[plush nest]

I mean that could be it. it just doesn’t make sense that it would open the armoury and then do nothing

Unless it wanted us to make noise for another crew to get their mission done

[cold sphinx]

Heh

#relatable

@burnt wren did you take a look at R5E1 Schaffer log ?

Any different from the og ?

[burnt wren]

Which one

I compared them all

[clear furnace]

Sp the original objective of the mission is to create an uplink. What is the sniffer Henriksson talks about?

[cold sphinx]

Where he wonders what the warden is gathering all resources and ksos for

[cold sphinx]

Which level again?

[burnt wren]

That's an original one.

[clear furnace]

C3

[plush nest]

I want to say it’s using ports to find where bio com is

[clear furnace]

R7

[burnt wren]

Was not present in OG or was completely different.

[cold sphinx]

No change?

Suits it well

[burnt wren]

OG Schaeffer had his brains scrambled good

[cold sphinx]

@fluid crypt cookin

[burnt wren]

No, i meant it's completely new

[cold sphinx]

Ah

That is good to have

[fluid crypt]

New lore?

[cold sphinx]

Yep

[fluid crypt]

The most lore I know is how each of the inmates ended up here in the most basic way

[cold sphinx]

This time Schaffer actually goes to dig up more

Hopefully it makes Schaffer look good in Alt 6

[fluid crypt]

That being that woods caused a shooting, dauda did illegal experiments, Hacket is just trying to feel and Bishop blackmailed the wrong people.

[cold sphinx]

And the bio mecha mutant not being so dumb

[plush nest]

Because I remember after the uplink they try to do something and end up tripping an alarm of sorts

[fluid crypt]

The whag

What

[cold sphinx]

That is basically the tip of the ice berg

[cold sphinx]

Youll know soon

[fluid crypt]

Elaborate

[cold sphinx]

Schaffer runs into them

And like all dummy robots are

This thing exclusively calls him friend

[burnt wren]

Are you reffering to the mimic

[plush nest]

Are those the robots and seem powers off around the complex

[fluid crypt]

Even while killing him for example?

[cold sphinx]

Idk what kind of friend would be dumb enough to drag a whole pack on to him

[burnt wren]

It's an it, easier to understand

[cold sphinx]

Yea

[fluid crypt]

Mimic?

[cold sphinx]

The mutant that calls to him

[fluid crypt]

There’s fucking mimics now?

[plush nest]

what?

[burnt wren]

Mimics are children intelligence wise, it was an honest mistake

[cold sphinx]

Yep

[burnt wren]

Mimic, unit, Specimens, the replacement...

[cold sphinx]

But it did mention some good details

[burnt wren]

Those are their nicknames

[cold sphinx]

That Schaffer didn’t get

[burnt wren]

Artificial humans

[plush nest]

Oh

[cold sphinx]

Hastly created humans

Tbh they really suck ass

[burnt wren]

...for now

[cold sphinx]

Idk why the sleepers don’t attack them

[clear furnace]

Project Rise was the mission to create artificial humans that cannot be detected by humans. These are also called mimics for their resemblance to humans.

[burnt wren]

KSOs would be out of job if project rise was finished

[plush nest]

The sleepers can’t detect them right ?

[cold sphinx]

Explains the robot exo skeletons in data center tile sets

[burnt wren]

Yep, most of them anyway

[clear furnace]

Yeah but they can set of scouts still

[burnt wren]

Scouts still can though

[cold sphinx]

It is composite of flesh and metals

[clear furnace]

Those are just random robots not mimics

[plush nest]

Well I assume scouts detect anything that moves

[burnt wren]

You're talking past each other

I don't think mimics got any metal in them

[cold sphinx]

Anything that makes them feel like a intruder

[cold sphinx]

Hmm

[plush nest]

So would a sleeper that is moving cause it to trigger?

[cold sphinx]

Could had sworn i heard alot of static and metal dragging sounds

[clear furnace]

Complete r7d1 and you can see a mimic for yourself

[cold sphinx]

Imagine ants

[burnt wren]

No no no. Scouts are checking something else.

[plush nest]

Ah

[burnt wren]

Mimics reproduce pheromones that trick sleepers into thinking they are one of them.

[cold sphinx]

Huh

Thats rad

[burnt wren]

But scouts detect intruders by different means, not pheromones

[cold sphinx]

Yep

[burnt wren]

So the disguise doesn't work on them

[cold sphinx]

Scouts really do work differently than the rest

So the scout is both a patrol and a security for the sleepers

[burnt wren]

Pretty much, just making sure.

[cold sphinx]

Like the soldiers in a ant colony

[plush nest]

Do we know how the different sleepers form?

[cold sphinx]

It will detect sus amongus and kills them on smell wrongly

[burnt wren]

Biters = men
Shooters = women

[cold sphinx]

Well they are mostly form humans

[cold sphinx]

What he said

[plush nest]

Yep I knew that, what about tanks, mothers and so on

[cold sphinx]

Giants excel more growths

[plush nest]

They are not multiple people together?

[burnt wren]

If Hammerstein is to be believed - shooters act as officers of some kind, which Is interesting

[cold sphinx]

Tank are pretty much a massive bulk of growth assimilated by many organisms

[burnt wren]

As for different creation process.. Absolutely nothing. Parasite does whatever it does.

[plush nest]

So the possibility of new things in r8 is still there?

[cold sphinx]

Explains much of theyre very un canny movements and attacks

[burnt wren]

We don't have a single log directly reffering any of the mini bosses

Which is... Fascinsting...

[cold sphinx]

Yep

[burnt wren]

Although... Although...

[plush nest]

There is not a single mention?

[burnt wren]

There is one very creep log in ALT 5

[cold sphinx]

And as we dont have logs that explain even a bit of an birther

Even ingame

[fluid crypt]

Birther?

[plush nest]

Mother

[cold sphinx]

The prisoners never have a voice line that refers to the birther (mother)

Even the tank

[fluid crypt]

Oh lmao yeah I’d rather fight two tanks than one mother.

[plush nest]

Yep

[cold sphinx]

Nah

[burnt wren]

Or was it alt4...

[cold sphinx]

Mothers are easy to deal with when out of sights and are prioritized

Tanks however do not

[plush nest]

Hel shotguns are a funny thing with mothers

[burnt wren]

Oh shit, it was Jordy...

[cold sphinx]

Likely hood of you fighting one

[cold sphinx]

Elaborate

But towards your opinion about forming of a sleepers

@plush nest hybirds a d chargers are a different thing

[plush nest]

Do we know what they are?

[cold sphinx]

Y see the black hardenings of a normal sleeping giant?

[plush nest]

Chargers to me seem like a different colony if that makes sense

With their nests

[fluid crypt]

That does make sense

[cold sphinx]

Its the same stuff that is creating the hard toughness to the chargers

[burnt wren]

In R4 there is a log of a session between local psychiatrist and the worker named Jordy.
Jordy later committed a suicide. He does it on both universes, albeit by radically different means.

[fluid crypt]

But personally I think we should view the monsters as a more advanced ant colony with a rugged caste system.

[cold sphinx]

Viewing them as ants but with a virus kind of ideology

[fluid crypt]

Any colonies have workers, fighters and the Queen. We can just assume this caste system has more layers

[burnt wren]

However what's interesting is that in ALT R4 the log is changed completely. Jordy is swapped for a different person - Mia, who is claiming that something is inside of her head.
At the end of the log she.... Apparently starts turning into something.

[cold sphinx]

They are born from infected by Nam V

[cold sphinx]

Og R5A3 Dauda

No

A2

Rip

He shoved a huge syringe

But there was no blood

Just a gaping hole

[plush nest]

I am curious on who is the queen in this scenario

[cold sphinx]

Screams emitted from it as all the others strapped on beds was all screaming too

[fluid crypt]

I think it’s best we don’t find out, but I’d argue most likely the kraken.

[cold sphinx]

No

You are warped to it

[fluid crypt]

Then again, different types of monsters may have different queens to birth them.

[plush nest]

I was going to say that would be a different colony

[burnt wren]

I mean unless he's stuck in the rocks at deeper levels

[fluid crypt]

After all, some ant colonies have multiple queens.

[plush nest]

Queen Pablo

[cold sphinx]

But would you look at the ants

[fluid crypt]

As well as splinter colonies that later become entirely indépendant

[cold sphinx]

They kill each other to decide one true queen

[fluid crypt]

Only sometimes

[cold sphinx]

Very little chance they make it

And the mother colony just kills them off

[fluid crypt]

Incorrect. They more often than not become a threat to the main colony.

[cold sphinx]

Rendering only one queen wins the battle Royale

[fluid crypt]

Ants are kinda baller

[cold sphinx]

Not a threat

[burnt wren]

Sleepers are a single hive, we know that much

[cold sphinx]

Yep

[fluid crypt]

Correct, with multiple diverse castes

[cold sphinx]

They are a single hived mind

[burnt wren]

One of the logs is describing the fact that parasites act the same weather infected or not

[fluid crypt]

Elaborate

[cold sphinx]

What was the parasites again?

Which monsters had it

[burnt wren]

Parasite are infected by namv like any other creature. Namv just arbitrary decided to use them instead of killing them.

Apparently there are parasites that are not infected with namv

But their behavior is exactly the same.

[fluid crypt]

Explain parasites

[cold sphinx]

Would be cool to see animals get infected by Nam V

And having new enemies made from those animals

[fluid crypt]

Infected grizzly bear

[burnt wren]

The sleepers are a product of teamwork between 2 different players: namv virus and "the parasites"

[cold sphinx]

That thing would be a power house of 20 giants in terms of ferocity

[fluid crypt]

What are the parasites though? Are they literal parasites?

[burnt wren]

We don't have a confirmed visual sighting or anything, we just know that they exist

One of the logs mentions that they can get through a high tier protective gear

[cold sphinx]

They must be microscopic

If we have no idea of them

[fluid crypt]

But what is confirmed is that the NamV virus spreads primarily through said parasites?

[burnt wren]

As in they can bite through very tough rubber

[fluid crypt]

Or maybe even metal? Or is that where we draw the line?

[cold sphinx]

Air infection blood and anything

[burnt wren]

We don't even know their size: are they microscopic or like a cockroaches or what...

[fluid crypt]

Well

[burnt wren]

Anyway

[cold sphinx]

It is a full proof no cure virus

[fluid crypt]

What I think is if a parasite can bite through tough gear it likely has a maw of teeth

[cold sphinx]

Or a whole swarm

[eternal talon]

i feel like reading the "for dummies" in the pins might be helpful. (just catching up rn, over 100 messages)

[plush nest]

Or acid of some sorts

[cold sphinx]

Keep on chewing on one spot and flooding

In

[fluid crypt]

These teeth would likely have to be made of keratin, or maybe even the stuff snail teeth are made of (which are proven to gnaw through steel and titanium)

[burnt wren]

Namv is a bitch and his goal is to infect absolutely everything through every means possible. It spread through all known possible ways on infection and then also on top of that it basically forced symbiosis on parasites to use them as well.

[cold sphinx]

Nam V really did shake hands with these MFs

[burnt wren]

More like locked them in his basement

[fluid crypt]

So it’s a total freak of nature and an affront to god even if we ignore the monsters it makes?

[cold sphinx]

How so

[plush nest]

Or held a gun to their head

[eternal talon]

air, water, contact, literally everything except the vaccum of space.

[fluid crypt]

That’s fucked

[burnt wren]

He gives them indefinite lifespan, they in return ensure his spread by... Doing the mutant thing.

[cold sphinx]

Zamm dauda

[burnt wren]

Its all but confirmed to be an S tier biological weapon.

[eternal talon]

human experiments, he was a horrible horrible person.

[burnt wren]

Natural born viruses don't act this way.

[cold sphinx]

An end of the world bio weapon

[cold sphinx]

Yes he was

[fluid crypt]

I’d argue more like X class if it’s that contagious

[cold sphinx]

Blinded by progress

Skipped through ethicity

Dreyfus El demonio

[burnt wren]

Uh, phrasing

[fluid crypt]

Hell, I bet the vaccum of space isn’t out of the question either considering that, with enough biomass, the virus could supposedly clamber up a fleshy host that can keep itself warm enough to drift through space.

[cold sphinx]

Yeah i have an headache but nvm

[fluid crypt]

Ethics.

[cold sphinx]

Yuh

[eternal talon]

anyway, in regards to the parasite, sleeper-ificiation happens in stages:

1: infected with nam-v, begin to mutate. subject dies if not infected with parasite before mutations complete.
2: mutations mature, parasite takes control over central nervous system.

the parasite, with the virus, keeps the host alive indefinately. the host literally never dies. inside every sleeper you kill is a sentient and "conscious" person that has been suffering for god knows how long, obviously without the means to either speak, hear, or whatever depending on the mutations. Just be thankful that strikers at least do not have the same level of cognative thought to understand what is happening to them due to their brains and skulls being split apart.

[plush nest]

I mean water bears can live in the vacuum of space for a bit

[eternal talon]

well yes, but we are talking about infectivity, not survival. there is nothing for them in contact with in space to spread themselves. so its simply lack of anything as what little there is in space, is spread out too far to effectively transfer infection

individual floating atoms or molecules are too small

[cold sphinx]

Whole brain gone

[eternal talon]

brain stem really is all that is needed to be kept intact.

[honest merlin]

I like the wording of the end of one of the emails from Santonian higher-ups: "our door is always open" (for you to walk out if you don't like it here)

[cold sphinx]

Stem?

[eternal talon]

juicy flesh puppets. that is what sleepers are.

[cold sphinx]

Hmmm

[eternal talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstem

[cold sphinx]

Welp that’s enough lore for me

My brain hurt

[eternal talon]

too dark?

[plush nest]

Does vital functions

[eternal talon]

oh no

[cold sphinx]

No

I have ăn headache

And honestly its a miracle I’m still up rn

So peace out ppl

Keep the lore comin

[fluid crypt]

Tyranids

[burnt wren]

Don't even

[cold sphinx]

Tyranids are very different

They evolve by consuming

And these monsters take a longer and different route to even begin to change

[winter fox]

quick lore question

what did the kds scan do at the end of R5E1

[lilac island]

kds scan?

[harsh saffron]

"Synchronously awakens all available KSOs in KDS Deep 1"
We wake up a few thousand KSOs.

[winter fox]

so the group that went in just to sacrifice to wake up those KSOs?

[burnt wren]

That group was us, yes.

KSOs are also us

Basically Warden gained access to immense man power to escalate his operations

[winter fox]

Damn, that's sad

[burnt wren]

It specifically says awakens? Like AWAKENS? Not just prepares to be awakened?

That would imply he woke up an army in an instance... Yet I don't remember seeing or hearing anything in R6 to suggest that there was an army marching through.

[cold sphinx]

KSOs gonna flood the sleepers on Alt R6

[burnt wren]

Unless that was what R6C3 was about...

We literally just distracted the horde while an entire army out there was doing lord knows what

[solemn kraken]

R5B4 as well. so warden already has multiple teams BEFORE KDS Deep

[cold sphinx]

But so far

We haven’t even got a glimpse of is there any teams working out there

Like at extraction (other teams fighting or getting extraction)

[solemn kraken]

Like I said R5B4 and R6C3 tell us we are a diversion for another team to do something

[burnt wren]

Not even a turret or a misplaced mine

[cold sphinx]

All of which were in logs (mostly)

[burnt wren]

So much potential for env story telling

But muh generated maps

[solemn kraken]

Those 2 missions basically confirm we are not the only ones

And that we are not the only ones before KDS Deep as well

[cold sphinx]

Not basically

It tells us that

But it doesn’t mean that all those were true

It could be a misplaced comms or logs from a long time ago

[solemn kraken]

The game tells us we are decoy's

[cold sphinx]

Proves a point

But we literally would hear em through the interrupted transmission

I have a theory

If were prisoners

We are easily to be disposed of

Meaning that other KSOs are mostly a lil more valued assets

Such as mercenaries and or military personnel

[serene mauve]

unless schaeffer is talking about someone else apparently we're pretty good

log is in altr5c1 btw

[cold sphinx]

Hmm

[burnt wren]

Yep, we are canonically Warden's chads

[solemn kraken]

Schaeffer basically confirming we the chads

[serene mauve]

i cant tell if that makes my performance feel better or worst

[burnt wren]

Break in, kill everything, get things done, leave.

[nova python]

makes me wonder if there are any other squad remotely close to our squad's efficiency or if everyone else just dies after their first few missions

[eternal talon]

R6c3

[eternal talon]

Not necessarily an army, it was a distraction for a single team... doing whatever their mission was.

Honestly, probably closing the tether we left open in r6b1 so that we can get the MWP back just in time for d1

[eternal talon]

8k total before, 24k in KDS deep, up to 32k now.

[eternal talon]

Due to multiverse shenanigans, warden could potentially have access to an infinite number of our squad now.

[plush nest]

I might have heard this somewhere but is our squad immortal in some weird way? Since when we fail a mission we can just drop in again?

[burnt wren]

Purely game mechanic until confirmed otherwise.

[plush nest]

Can I throw out an idea?

[burnt wren]

We have hints that other us exist, but no dimensional swaps yet.

[plush nest]

Every time we fail we swap consciousness with another group similar to us

Oh nvm then

[burnt wren]

Again we are confirmed to be top Chad of Warden Operatives.

Also provided bots are canon - we have specific faces and all.

Our characters have names, history... Theyre not different people.

Unless there's some kind of unreliable narrator going on

[plush nest]

Given to us in r5a2 logs

The sort of interviews with them

[burnt wren]

That too.

Even voices are the same.

If devs wanted to hint something like that - they would chance voice actors.

[plush nest]

That’s a good point, slightly change the voice would hint that but they are the exact same, just what they say is slightly different

[burnt wren]

Technically that happened

Alt characters are not the same as originals

Most of them are a lot more unhinged and pronento anger with sole exception being Woods who got calmer instead.

And then there's Schaeffer who got much smarter.

[harsh pike]

i just assume that canonically we've never failed

also would make sense why Schaeffer / the warden values us so highly

top of the efficiency list and all that

[plush nest]

We should ask for a raise

[solar nova]

My head canon here is that there's just these large balls of the active sleepers roaming around the complex, and by peeling off large groups of them we end up redirecting the larger group to move into other sections of the complex.

[plush nest]

That would explain why the sleepers during alarms are different colours than the sleeping ones

[clear furnace]

Obviously there is some sort of immense biomass that spans the entirety of Garganta. Idk what to call it but the black biomass that we see in multiple levels I think is all part of one big "biostructure". I think that when an area gets empty of sleepers, more would emerge? be created? from this biomass. This is especially evident when in R7E1 we actively see sleepers emerging from the biomass during the reactor startup. However I also think that this biomass is collapsing in on Garganta. In R7E1 we saw more of this biomass than in most other levels, it also happens to be the deepest level we have been too. Meaning that we are closer to whatever the center of this biomass is than ever before. That same biomass we see in the reactor startup may be blocking off an entire section of the complex and has closed in around it. This thing is massive and if I had to guess, whatever the Warden's goals are, are probably related to this structure.

[eternal talon]

Interesting thing this reminded me of, in the tutorial we play as a delta class KSO, the only one of which on our team is duauda -- who is black, yet when you go into the menu during the tutorial you are clearly playing a white character.

The only time in the entirety of GTFO when we aren't playing as a member of the squad.

And if I remember correctly, (and I might not, I haven't played it in like half a year) we also get the designation number for this unknown KSO

[eternal talon]

And to actually answer this question way late: yes, they are. If you are playing as dauda in a lobby your character will be black, regardless of cosmetics

[finite vine]

sounds like a bug honestly

[eternal talon]

its been this way since they first introduced the tutorial so... whatevs.

if it was i'm sure they'd've fixed it by now

as far as lore goes, they've fixed other big errors before like the "meters vs miles" thing.

at this point it aughta be intentional

[wary portal]

The parasite gives the virus increased lifespan and the virus infects others right?

Or how does the symbiosis work again

[burnt wren]

Backwards. Virus prolongs the parasite, and in return parasites act as a extra vector of infection for the virus.

[wary portal]

👍

[cold sphinx]

[burnt wren]

If you listen to Dauda's report he's making it out like the virus is the mastermind behind this forced symbiosis and parasite is just the "Yes, honey" meme.

[broken oriole]

will there be alt R7 or we return back to original timeline in alt R6?

[raw terrace]

weeeee dont know i thinks

maybe r8 will clarify it or some funky log on r6

[burnt wren]

I think Calle confirmed that there won't be an alt7

There is no reason to

Unless just for the sake of it

[final sentinel]

Maybe D4 is us sealing up the timelines

[burnt wren]

I'm actually low key hyped, because being an alt it will have to change the audio logs

Much like it changed our character logs, for example. Or Mr Truth.

What can of batshit nonsense Schaeffer will preach to us in A1 this time...

[final sentinel]

I mean we do remember now

“Do you- do you remember me? I told you to go deeper, remember?”

Makes sense in a way now to the new payers

[safe silo]

Do we have any info abt what the warden is

Like

What his position is

[solemn kraken]

AI

[safe silo]

So its just an AI that forces us to do rundowns

[solemn kraken]

Yes

[broken oriole]

It hijacked the original ai Biocom that manages the complex

[burnt wren]

Nope, none of that.

Just basics.

There was an original AI called BIOCOM (BioCommunications) which operated the facility, but then it was hijacked by W4RDN protocol who forcefully took over and now runs the remains of the facility.

How it got there, by who, what is its' goal... Zero on that.

We have a log that pretty much directly tells us that hacking BIOCOM is next to impossible.
Which doesn't help.

[broken oriole]

if biocom's mainframe/processing unit is organic, what happens if placing it into a HSU? 🙃

[burnt wren]

Put an entire program folder into a ZIP then UNZIP it and see how it works after that.

[digital bear]

the monsters have dumpys

[burnt wren]

[cold sphinx]

Stop horni

Embrace sleeper

[sharp dawn]

Never realized these guys have eyes

[raw terrace]

yeh :D
and look closely at a shooters face too they sure have a face too

[loud urchin]

look close enough and you'll see their nipples too

[burnt wren]

It's actually a neat look into human psyche isn't it

These are technically absolutely horrifying monsters made from terribly mutated human individuals.

But by the time you killed about 100 of them you just no longer care.

They now just look goofy to me.

Look at this fella

[raw terrace]

100 is a low number ngl, in ur first 3 levels u must come across 150 or so id say

maybe more like 1000

[burnt wren]

He looks like a dumbo

I imagine this happened to our team in game too

They just no longer see these guys as a threat, probably

Not any one individual anyway

A horde sure, but that's a horde

Otherwise it's just this little asshole with his squiky voice

[mortal pivot]

CERRAR PUERTA

[raw terrace]

pulsa E

[haughty jasper]

Lore question

What do they put in tool ammo that can refill c-foam, different types of turret bullets, and landmines, all from the same box

[burnt wren]

game mechanics

[bleak trench]

Schrodinger's tool refill. It's simultaneously all of them and none of them, collapsing on the exact one you need when you use the refill

the same applies for ammopacks

[burnt wren]

fuckin' imagine if differents tool consumed different packs

then agian, ammo packs also refill different kinda of ammo

you're telling me HCP, Sniper, LMG and SMG all have their ammo in that... And you can only give it to 1?

Yeah. Game mechanics, much unfortunately.

At some point you have to cut off the realism or else you're risking just recreating IRL logistics, a.k.a. the things that turn wars into many-year-long-grinds

Friednly reminder that germans invented a special device that you could stab into a russian PPSH so that it could accept german MP44 bullets

[raw terrace]

i mean think of dayz, u need one type of bullet for one tyoe of gun and to find both, it can take u many hours

dependin on just position n such

[harsh pike]

imagine having to find your specific caliber in GTFO

jesus

[cold sphinx]

Impossible challenge

[wary portal]

still no logs on the wiki 😦

How can i possibly catch up with the lore

[harsh saffron]

? they are there tho https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_5.0_Logs

[burnt wren]

I literally went through comparing every single one, they're all there. Maybe there's like one missing.

[burnt wren]

Genuine question: how exactly do you guys acquire logs?
The legit way?
The cheating way?
Or the data mining way?

[harsh saffron]

Data Mining so I don't have to type everything myself (used to do that, takes quite a bit of time). Then mostly taking screenshots while playing normally. If I end up missing some because they are in some optional zones, I go back with mods to make sure to find them all.

[burnt wren]

So I thought. Alright, that leaves little room for mistakes.

[wary portal]

Lol wiki says its only till r4 alt

[burnt wren]

Ah. Just the contents issue. The page is there, you can even Google it and get it first result.

That's how I find it every time.

Also I swear Frosty had that issue before and Duck said he already fixed it. Weird.

Maybe some big brain reversed the change.

[harsh saffron]

Oh, yeah as Artek said, it's just not linked ^^ And yeah frosty was talking about yet another link that wasn't there. Let's see if I can fix that on mobile.

OK should be linked now

[wary portal]

Massive W

[burnt wren]

Rereading R5 logs I've stumbled on an issue for upcoming R6.

This new Schaeffer is way more collected and thoughtful than our old one. He directly says that he doesn't consider Warden a threat.

So... What's going to happen in R6DX? It will be out of character for him to kill the Unit 22 out of the blue this time.

Either it will be an accident or... Or it will be a self defense situation.

But why would it be...

[solemn kraken]

Cause the Units will be the new enemy type in R8

[burnt wren]

Fucking imagine if alt R6 and R7 Schaeffer's will be completely different people. Players who pay attention will be so confused upon reaching R7.

[lost drum]

The new Schaeffer wants to destroy Warden even more than the old one. It's just that for some reason the old one still wants to go down as deep as possible, and eventually get free

[burnt wren]

Go deeper to be set free...

[lost drum]

Even the old Schaeffer is crazier. But in R7 he literally pummeled Warden.

[burnt wren]

This game becomes more and more like Phoenix Point lore wise by the update.

Inb4 virus is a creation of Shaggoth or something.

[plush nest]

I feel like r8 is going to be the warden pretending that it has been beaten but is just watching to see what happens, and towards the end just trying to kill us

[burnt wren]

Could be the case, since for all intents and purposes it should've seen this coming.

[lost drum]

I will remind you that Warden has taken over Biocom. And we essentially hacked into one of Biocom's systems

We disconnected Warden from this system, but he's in one piece. Although I still don't understand what that thing is.

[wary portal]

you all heard the state of truth log right ?

where he hears himself

[burnt wren]

More so read, but yes.

Whatever is going on is affecting more than just garganta.

But he did have a physical recording of it on his drives or whatever it is he has.

So:
A) The audio recording glitched from one universe to another
B) It is the Mr Truth who dimension hoped from a universe where he didn't had that call to one where he did
C) He's losing memories, even though he never was near an HSU.

[lost drum]

A bit of fantasy: ALT:Rundown 6, a sudden teleportation to the winter version of Alpha

[burnt wren]

Hm

Too much work I'd say

Do they even know how to model snow

[harsh pike]

that planet doesn't seem very

capable of snow

[lost drum]

I don't think we have seen even 0.001% of this planet

[burnt wren]

Also correct

Frankly were lucky it didn't send us straight to north pole or something

Or to the bottom of local ocean

[queen gazelle]

Planets are very big places

[eternal talon]

Capcom's Lost Planet... again

God, now I'm just thinking of mech based combat. Those games were amazing. Terrible shame the franchise died with #3

[burnt wren]

Hey, first game was alright

[eternal talon]

I'd argue 2nd game was great too. Co-op especially

[burnt wren]

Story makes no fucking sense but aesthetics were top notch

[eternal talon]

Snow is just peak when it comes to horror environments to me, and I don't know if that's just due to my love of The Thing, or what

But isolated arctic environments or like deep sea are 100% some of the best settings imo for horror

Same with space, and why Dead Space did so well

[eternal talon]

Sleeper fish would be awesome though you know water effects would be too much investment for 10cc to bother with. They'd've had to have planned for that from the get-go, Ala Bioshock

[harsh pike]

if this game had another few years of content we might've seen that

[broken oriole]

If a healthy individual gets thrown into GTFO's the complex, are there any ways for the person to avoid NAM-V infection? 🤔

[naive crow]

hop in a HSU

or do whatever Schaefer is doing

[burnt wren]

A small one. Very small one. Otherwise you'll have to climb onto an hsu, which is sort of cheating.

[eternal talon]

this is very bad. even if you "win", you still die, your entire origin earth too.

its in the air you breathe. basically impossible to avoid infection

fog is only areas of extreme concentration

[eternal talon]

schaeffer being alive is... a plot hole in and of itself.

[burnt wren]

The lore seems to put a lot of emphasis on dates. Many events seem to be delayed by about a week or two.

I still can't fully grasp this multiverse BS and why Warden needs it.
Warden Is aware of it (membranes) and he's directly working around it. Why? Is this his way to stall for time? Because namv is just that big of a piece of shit to deal with and this doomed facility is his one and only chance to do something about it, reality limitations and slowly dying prisoners be damned?

This reeks of desperation.

[thick sequoia]

He could be immune

[burnt wren]

Him, of all people? That would be exceptionally cheap.

As far as we know no one is immune and no such case was ever recorded

[thick sequoia]

Welp it like that with Ellie from the last of us

[burnt wren]

Not comparable, also her was a very unique case

Shaff doesn't have an excuse

Aside from writers' whim

[eternal talon]

In post apocalyptic stories, if they have a person who is immune, they are a direct plot point and their immunity almost always is the entire plot, in the effort to save humanity. Schaeffer isn't out to save anyone except himself.

It would be incredibly poor writing to shoe-horn in at this point. If he was going to be immune, it's something we would have learned really early on, since it would be a significant part of his character.

Writing it now, would be at best, an excuse to keep the plot going. The plot as a whole of GTGO is still just "what is the warden doing"?

It's not a good idea to make two seperate narratives within a single story. Those that do attempt this as far as I am aware, exclusively combine them around the mid-point to form a single narrative. We have one rundown left

[burnt wren]

[eternal talon]

I'm not likely to believe that the staff that write the story of GTFO at 10cc are unable to follow basic, common understanding of storytelling

This is a thing that is beyond misunderstanding, errors, or plotholes. This is basic high-school level fundamentals

[burnt wren]

Henrikson is now a thing too

Also don't you forget

"You have the virus"

[eternal talon]

Frankly I'm not sure why they'd introduce new characters in the story at this point anyhow. He will never get a full character arc.

[eternal talon]

The following quote: "I am the fucking virus" I would assume to be an analogy to that of a computer virus, hijacking Warden's control over biocom, which he later goes on to do.

Rather than being meant to be taken literally, as NAM-V

[burnt wren]

Of course, that's a stretch

To me it's just a very raw line of defilement

He just wanted a cool comeback

But it does bothers me that he ignored the obvious warning

Like come on

[eternal talon]

"I'm not taking orders anymore, I'm giving them"

He says a lot of these ultimately meaningless one-liners.

With what he says you'd assume the effects on the story and game as a whole would be drastic, but honestly we are still doing the same things we have always done

It's also an interesting thought that maybe warden started whatever caused ALT// to undo schaeffer tapping into biocom as a sort of "fuck you"

Since it essentially reverted us way back before that happened.

[burnt wren]

That's ... Huh...

I mean there's a million of membranes

[eternal talon]

Just a thought. It is a massive coincidence that alt happens immediately after schaeffer finally gets what he wants

[burnt wren]

But it would be very funny if Warden decided to tap into other realities just trying to sidestep Schaeffer's intervention

[eternal talon]

Which just throws more questions at r8. They can't possibly answer everything.

[burnt wren]

But that doesn't explain something Schaeffer himself says: "Theyre clearing a path in my direction, but I don't think they are after me. Warden wants KDS DEEP."

[eternal talon]

The ending of GTFO is almost guaranteed to be dissapointing at this point.

[burnt wren]

Also if this was truly the case Warden should just stop KSO'ing him in every reality

[eternal talon]

Most likely, halo 2 style cliffhanger.

Schaeffer gets what he wants, ready to go, game end

Gsmeplay isn't going to change in any significant way

[burnt wren]

Gtfo 2, the xcom like turned based strategy

[eternal talon]

It'll just stop when shaeffer does because... what else? Make both an Inner tileset AND a surface earth one in a single rundown? What about an ending cutscene?

[eternal talon]

Honestly gtfo would be the perfect setting for that kind of game. It already works in squads, and has much better potential for cutscenes and grand scenarios

Fps games, especially gtfo which has randomly generated tiles, isn't suited for setpiece events.

The destination teleports themselves are just single small locked off chunks of what could be a free roam style level

Hell, more than half of them have been in caves or caverns

Other half, blocked off by sheer cliffs.

The one open one, r7c2 I think, doesn't give you the opportunity to explore

[burnt wren]

R6B1 had some

[eternal talon]

Gtfo has extraordinary potential... but not as a fps.

[burnt wren]

But very bluebalish in retrospect

[eternal talon]

3rd person tactical style would be great honestly, but anything like this requires a "from the ground up" approach

If 10cc ever decide to make a GTFO 2, I'm certain it would be 10 times better than the original

Because they'll have the ability to design what they want beforehand

Liek checkpoints, not having to design it in an already finished thing, and end up a buggy mess

[burnt wren]

That would be neat

They can always just... Copy l4d. I won't even blame them.

[eternal talon]

You see, I don't really think that's the right way to go though.

The hardcore stuff is great. It's a unique angle that draws players

Left For Dead works because it's casual. Brainless fun.

You don't see people really theorizing or digging into the lore of left for dead like they do dark souls

[burnt wren]

Actually kinda wrong

There were some bits and pieces

Writing on the walls I safe rooms say a lot

[eternal talon]

The green flu yes.

[burnt wren]

And then there's the comics

The sacrifice

[eternal talon]

But if you consider the total population of people that play left for dead... the percentage that care for that is significantly less

That is what I'm getting at

[burnt wren]

The midnight riders still being alive

Eh, it's more so everything was explored already

[eternal talon]

It's not worth as much time, effort, and investment in a game like L4D because less people care

[burnt wren]

There's a couple of videos on YouTube, they are pretty interesting

[eternal talon]

Regardless if the total player count is 10,000 or 100,000

[burnt wren]

The only big issue is that it leads nowhere

We don't even know how the story of 2nd crew ended

[eternal talon]

This is another thing. Gtfo spreads it out too much. New massive info every update

It's not a linear narrative

[burnt wren]

Last we saw them was flying away on that helicopter and it's complete radiosilence after that

[eternal talon]

Everything we have is from decades ago

None of the lore and story we learn is really pertinent to the current situation

It's like a completely seperate narrative

[burnt wren]

Low key a drag

[eternal talon]

Good for background lore, but not good for retention

The average player, as is quite obvious, doesn't know shit about the story of gtfo

Even with our community resources here, we are a very small minority

Despite being a significant part of what 10cc spends their time working on

You know the community reaction to the forced audio in r6

They hated that lore was being "shoved down their throats"

They didn't give a shit before

It was great for us, yes.

But they didn't care. It's a fundamental split on priorities

They don't play the game for the story, yet 10cc focuses heavily on it

You get what I'm saying?

They are trying to do too much at once

They need a sequel from the ground up, designed for a more compelling DIRECT story. Not just background newsclippings about people that are long, long dead.

[harsh pike]

i feel like if they had more story in the earlier rundowns it wouldnt have been so jarring

[eternal talon]

Think this: playing as a miner in a survival horror style game in the mines, DURING the lockdown. There are other people still alive that haven't died to the virus yet, and Kovac squads are a constant threat looking to kill anybody alive

[burnt wren]

I think the NATO team could be an interesting pov

Their misadventures are like by the book horror movies

[eternal talon]

Only if the game isn't entirely in garganta, and has surface levels. Otherwise, it could easily fall into the same trap of repeating levels over and over

Imo, procedurally generated levels was a mistake

[burnt wren]

Most certainly. Warframe has this issue too, but the way that game is played no one cares

[crimson mist]

Is the warden an AI or a person?

[eternal talon]

You can't have a story when the plot takes you to the same 5 rooms every level. There is no journey

[burnt wren]

Most certainly an AI

[eternal talon]

AI.
Recommend reading the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel

o7

[burnt wren]

Well... Actually...

There's a small possibility it could be something else

Maybe even an eldrich god

[eternal talon]

Even warframe has dedicated quests that aren't random. The sacrifice, new war, second dream, were fucking fantastic

[burnt wren]

Still no toilets though

[eternal talon]

Eh, they can get away with that given the nature of warframes, which I won't spoil here.

And kiddos basically permanently live in the chair at the back of the orbiter

[burnt wren]

Not anymore they don't

[eternal talon]

Also like millions of years in the future

[eternal talon]

Shhh. I said kiddos. Not adultos

[eternal talon]

If you have any questions that it doesn't answer for you, let me know.

[eternal talon]

Allen go brr

[cold sphinx]

@burnt wren old intro was like “succeed or die”

Would hope that they atleast say something like “Prisoners/KSOs deployment initiated”

And then based on is it a return or a forwarding extraction scan

“HSUs redeployed for extraction awaiting Prisoners/KSOs”

[fluid crypt]

Aye just got back from preaching gospel to a couple degenerates what’s poppin in here

[patent lance]

||hi woods||

[strange grove]

I loved when the warden said “sussy or die” at the start of every mission

[finite vine]

pretty sure this has not been confirmed? the warden could be a trojan program that is used by someone or something to gain access to biocom.

[cold sphinx]

Real reaction

[eternal talon]

Bruh. Trojan by who? Unless you are talking allens,

It's Kovac, who are long dead.

[finite vine]

daylight project, kovac, aliens