gtfo-lore

[winter pecan]

Any idea what the population of garganta was before everything went down?

[finite vine]

if the inner is in the middle of the egg, then the depth of the inner, measured from sea level, would be (2600 + x) meters, where x is the distance from 1500 meters to the top of the egg.

[finite vine]

i don’t think so

not sure

[pastel ether]

On the topic of deepness, deepest expedition so far is R7E1 (1411m).

Also, EBDT-55TA-X12 mentions that the big deposit is up to 4 km down, so chances are that Santonian was at least planning on going pretty darn deep https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs#EBDT-55TA-X12

[finite vine]

for instance, let’s say that shaft 17b leads to the inner. shaft 17b is 4200 meters deep, and using the equation of (2600 + x) = 4200 , then the egg starts at a depth of 3,100 meters.

not sure if shaft 17b leads to the inner though, or if the inner is in the middle of the egg.

[finite vine]

oh i missed this log

[winter pecan]

I remember a log mentioning that the scanner was mistaking the new alloy to be iridium which is why it saw so much of it

[finite vine]

yea that makes sense, if the bottom of the egg is at a depth of 4k meters, and if the egg is 2200 meters tall, then it starts at a depth of 1800 meters.

[winter pecan]

I wish to see Allen
👽 📸🥹

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/wave-alien-alien-wave-funny-gif-20445994

[stone vine]

damn which we haven’t even been to yet

i wonder if the egg itself could count as an environment we might be introduced to come r8

i can imagine that it’ll be our first kind of look into a place that’s less like complex esc and more like destroyed and overrun/ dark

like digsite but without the site and less lights just tunnels

if you think about it that really would make sense plot wise

we are urged to go deeper in order cut our connection to warden and in a place where the warden couldn’t have affected an ai because it simply wasn’t built there would be grounds for cutting the connection right

if anything we might just like a signal cut if we somehow go off course and get to the egg

i’d say smaller stations and facility esc things exist deeper like sub 2k but i doubt full structures were being built like sky said

can u imagine how cool like missions would be where threats are the actual environment and not just solely security doors and the regular sneaking we do

like a fully dark horrific overrun nest with a ton of difficulty

[stone vine]

there’s no way they drop 4200 on us and the significance of the egg which is likely very far down and then not want to send us there or atleast close

[burnt wren]

You fucking wish

[toxic wagon]

The tendril that comes around the corner and gets you in the trailer

[burnt wren]

They have to or this will be the greatest dossapointment since, uh... Mass effect 3?

[stone vine]

snatcher unconfirmed 😫

[stone vine]

yeah pretty much

send us to the egg or else

[burnt wren]

Gtfo lore is like edging, but for lore enthusiasts

[stone vine]

dude they’re hinting at going down to the nest so much it’s basically what alt is doing

it’s basically telling us

there’s something there

we must go

[burnt wren]

We can only hope that they don't lazy out at the last step

Inb4 they just confirm gtfo 2

60$ to find the true ending

[stone vine]

more like 60 dollar expansion pack then u pay 30 dlc for ending

[burnt wren]

"GTFO The Finale DLC - $30 to experience the last moments of Garganta and Prisoner's last stand.

Also hammer skins. Just as a bonus. "

[stone vine]

the ending is just schaeffer setting of a giant nuke

[burnt wren]

Multiuniverse nuke you mean

Something something all Warden's are connected - you blow up one and it causes a chain reaction anihilating the multiwardenverse.

[stone vine]

that’s so right

i still find it funny we haven’t met schaeffer yet cuz he tried to meet prisoners and instead got shot at

so he’s scared of us LMAO

[finite vine]

I honestly was expecting a "nest" environment of sorts ever since r1

hopefully they make an environment like that

[finite vine]

yea that would be sick

I kinda feel like GTFO would have been much more successful with a larger audience if they centered the game around a co-op style campaign, with a focus on gear and story progression, instead of focusing on just extremely hard gameplay.

like something similar to Alien Isolation but co-op and in the GTFO universe

but I respect the devs vision to deliver a hard fps challenge to players

[burnt wren]

Funny you say that. This is the closest game adaption of Aliens the world ever had.
All the others one are just L4D with xenomorphs.

[stone vine]

i mean for people who emphasize difficulty their game isn’t exactly difficult

like maybe for the first 10 hours

where you’re learning

i’m still hoping for something that will actually floor the community

like f tier

cough cough wink wink

[bleak trench]

R8F2 PE

[finite vine]

Callisto Protocol? Deadspace franchise?

oh u probably meant fps adaptations

[harsh pike]

i feel like the closest we get to a 'nest' is the charger goop rooms

[strange grove]

you forgot about pre nerf r5

[stone vine]

pretty much

even that is barely a nest it’s just a funky cluster of parasites that hasn’t really been explained yet other than it coats tank/ charger

they always post chargers naked in the official art

[harsh pike]

It's basically like a giant communal coccoon isn't it

[naive crow]

hey there's also that one tile with a meat ceiling
there's also respawn rooms and the weird meat shit that mothers leave on the walls

but yeah nest tileset when

That or let us run around in and on the Krakens body

[arctic sedge]

was dope asf

[burnt wren]

No sentries and no biotracker - which are the staples of alien movies.

Callisto is basically just zombies too. Pretty generic. Necromoprhs were way cooler.

[gaunt imp]

Eric Chapman just like me fr

[stone vine]

yes thats the black stuff yummy meat ceiling

respawn rooms make literally no sense to me

worst addition ever

[harsh pike]

that's the charger goop room

[harsh pike]

mfw those tiny cocoons are holding broodmothers and charger scouts in r7e1

[stone vine]

makes sm sense

[harsh pike]

it would be a cool addition if you could do something about it

[naive crow]

uhhh the cocoons aren't actually spawning the enemies they're actually pulling an entire copy of the room from a parallel universe smh I can't believe you didn't read the log that explains that in r13c7

[stone vine]

actually if u heard the ancient egyptian hieroglyphic morse code from r89e34 then u would know it was actually a giant pmom from a different plane of existance that magically appears and throws them up

just fyi that is a big misconception

[lost drum]

I think in Rundown 8 there are options to add even 2 types of environment: it's all expected meteorite, alien ship, and the living bays, for they were not shown.

[cunning light]

• Added environment : Restrooms

[bleak trench]

do we ever get a metric for the exact volume of the complex?

or rough approximations of different areas?

[harsh saffron]

Yeah, we actually got some stats in Alt R4:
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_4.0_Logs#G62-988-G2Q

[thorny oasis]

Is there a lore explanation for how some of the monsters become shadows entities?

[burnt wren]

Nope, not yet anyway.

But considering the recent lore developments - they are probably stuck between different realities or something.

[solemn kraken]

that would imply that when you kill them they always fase back into our reality as the corpses become visible

also why not shadow chargers/tanks/mothers etc etc etc, can't they be stuck in between realities?

[lost drum]

Invisibility is most likely just a mutation, like the others

[burnt wren]

That is a good question. But for what its worth - same problem will apply to any other answer as well.

Obvious answer: game design. For once. Invisible chargers would suck ass.

Even IF you force them to power-walk like normal shadows do.

[burnt wren]

That is an INSANE fucking mutation though.

[lost drum]

The entire game consists of fantastic elements

[burnt wren]

Becoming COMPLETELY invisible. Not just good camouflage like Geckos or Squids, but completely dissapearing.

[lost drum]

Invisibility is not the strangest thing)

[harsh pike]

it makes more sense for them. if a human were to go invislbe they'd go blind, because no light could reflect off their eyes

[lost drum]

People have been taken over by a parasite from another world and turned into incredible creatures. I think invisibility is quite possible.

[harsh pike]

but the monsters don't need eyes

[burnt wren]

No, it is. Well... It takes 2nd place to multiverse madness, but that's a tough opponent to beat on ridiculousness scale.

[lost drum]

Teleportation is a more incredible thing than invisibility

[burnt wren]

Ignoring them all we have is a very nasty virus and some body horror - which is fairly benign by horror standards. Resident Evil infected, Dead Space necromorphs, even Halo Flood. This is... Pretty generic, actually.

[burnt wren]

That one falls into multiverse madness subcategory, because it appears that they are basically one and the same.

[harsh pike]

i dont think they're stuck between dimensions i think their invisibility is some kind of evolution

[lost drum]

Who's really stuck between dimensions is us. Walking an alternate timeline

[burnt wren]

I mean it surely would be more understandable. Although the efficacy of their invisibility is bonkers.

Not even a weak outline or anything.

The best earth camouflaging animals are nowhere near that.

[harsh pike]

well these are the same creatures that can survive with half their body destroyed and a giant parasite-tongue that stretches their entire body

[burnt wren]

I heard some squids can copy the news paper as a camouflage. But you can still "see" the squid, if you're searching for him.

We're not talking 99% transparency - we're talking full 100%. That is... Dear god.

At that point if i had to entertain the mutation route - i don't believe its their skin mimicing the surroundings. They either literally let light reflection pass through them (which is pretty insane) OR its some kind of memetic effect, which is to say - snadows are actually espers and are passively sabotaging the brain patterns of nearby victims to not be able to perceive them.

Frankly i would probably take the latter. Its probably the easiest one to swallow, as long as writers don't take a single attempt at even trying to explain it. Just say how it is and don't say a word after.

[strange grove]

basically a bunch of chimps drank invisible ink

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-gif-25306498

where is my UV light, warden?

[charred vault]

anyone else wonder how flyer got so big? all other of flyer small but this one larger than your average mook I. think that perhaps he drinks the liquid around Garganta Chicxulub Crater that you see here... see it? Perhaps it is next to muscle milk? the liquid inside the Syringes that makes u strong makes him buff too. it would explain why mutations he has that make no sense like tiny ass in weakpoint. it makes Sense. thoughts?

[queen gazelle]

What if they aren’t chimps.

They look like squids

And the mega boss in the game files. Is called squidward ik data mining isn’t allowed but it seems very important

[charred vault]

Interesting...... Very Interesting. reminds me of something from today. I looked at old rundown on wikipedia and discovered Shayfear told us to use the code Resist yesterday? I tried using Coupon Code Resist at my local 7/11 across the highway to buy fresh squid for my many parents but it didnt work.... however the employees did tell me to "Get the Fuck Out". if u take the first words of every sentence out of that statement you get "GTFO" the name of the game! i think this is intentional and beginning of arg.

[strange grove]

Location of 7/11?? Need to do some investigating

[charred vault]

308 Negra Arroyo Lane, Albuquerque, New Mexico. 87104 here u go. please dont share

[strange grove]

Ty Ty

[clever niche]

Superadvanced squid civilization takes over the world after humans all die to nam-v, only to get sent back to our time by all the quantum frequency shenanigans

[clear furnace]

How does the teleporter even work?

[burnt wren]

Big shrug. Its one of those things that videogames and movies just gloss over, mechanically speaking. They don't really need to explain it. Your items get de-assembled there and reasembled over there. Or its a wormhole type situation - folding physical reality and just throwing people to the other side while the hole is open.

Teleportation is an exceptionally useful tool and catalyst to put bigger events into motion (Star Trek is basically built almost entirely around it). For us - it acts as a great way of explaining how did this alien BS got on our planet, although... Not... Not really. We still have the whole spooky secret area beneath Garganta. It easily could be just a derelict ship, that just got stuck there for bazzilion year (literally the plot of Tomorrow War btw), so i don't understand why exactly did we brought teleportation into this.
...
And then we turned it into multiverse.

What's insane is that teleports appear to have been built manually by humans, and were not just accidentally found. And there's multiple of them?! We have no evidence that humanity of 2050 got that type of technology available.
Even assuming they built it based on alien tech that they found... I forgot when exactly they found the alien stuff, but even then... Figuring out teleportation in 30 years? From scratch? Not sure about that one, chief.

[eternal talon]

first artifacts recovered February 2052. https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=49c35e1a8b60433fa03dbece5f8c04b9&pm=s
11 years total since then.

[finite vine]

they do explain it a good amount in the lore. check the logs from Dr. Stokes, she was the insight scientist that worked on the matter wave projector.

[clear furnace]

I'm guessing thats who you hear in R6B1?

[finite vine]

yep

u could also read an explanation i wrote a while ago
#gtfo-lore message

[finite vine]

they accidentally found the technology, then used it to build their own teleporters. also they did not build them in 30 years, they literally built it them in like 2-4 years which is insane. artifacts were found in 2052, like frosty said, then EF01 was launched on 2054-55? not sure but it was around that year.

[stone vine]

yeah that is ridiculously fast

like dude they must have had an insane team to understand teleportation material from artifacts that came from a place no ones ever seen

[solar nova]

The complex is p ludicrously big, so...

[stone vine]

true but we have teams that big in like nasa who cant even figure stuff out that quick o-o

like they straight up advanced to extrasolar teleportation in decades less than i expect we will

i doubt even decades here maybe centuries

what i wanna know is if theres still artifact deposits farther down that we might get to see

untouched because yk we never knew where those people really went to on destination

we know they got teleported there but weve only ever gone to places marked with coordinates

never touched just a raw artifact

[burnt wren]

There is one possibility...

If they have an advanced AI like BIOCOM overseeing their security... What stops them from using a similiar one (or even BIOCOM itself) to help them with research?

Hell, WARDEN seems to be doing precisely that. For all we know its a fully autonomous AI, yet it keeps collecting all this genome data, researching shit.

Assuming it is just Warden doing that and not him only collecting data for someone else - with an assistance of something like that they could achieve it in record time.

...
But 3 years is still ridiculous. I'd give 10, maybe 5 tops (and that AI must be super good), but come on.

[strange grove]

hello its me eric chapman

[sudden quarry]

No way it’s Eric Chapman!

[strange grove]

stfu go play e1

[harsh pike]

is this talking about shadows?

i guess not cause she can see it but it 'came from the dark'

[strange grove]

check the records

[eternal talon]

No. This is some other kind of sleeper variant we haven't seen before. Most likely (not confirmed) an infected allen

We know it's not a shadow because none of them have the appearance of multiple people stitched together.

It also teleported like a floater, but we know it isn't one because it is humanoid, and not a giant meatball

[harsh pike]

god this game needs more enemy variety. I wanna see that.

[queen gazelle]

Is this not a specimen

[eternal talon]

no

specimens aren't sleepers. they are created by the warden. also, the warden wasn't making units yet at the time of this log

it only started doing that when the facility was abandoned

(specimens also cant teleport, and dont look like two people fused together)

[harsh pike]

that's the same thing that talked to schaeffer right

"are you a cat person or dog person"

[eternal talon]

yes

[austere depot]

@eternal talon Hey, ready for another speculative theory? ~
Suppose log VN8-5DF-BM6 tells us something important about the infection.

"The debate over whether viruses constitute life as we know it rages ever on but perhaps the conflict arises because we are ignoring the possibility that viruses aren't just alive, they are life."

"It is not impossible to see a branch on the tree of life that only grew because of the prevalence of viruses - perhaps big ones - that didn't kill the host, they improved it, perhaps giving new life the tools it needed to survive the post-cataclysmic environment after the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event."

Suppose NAM-V operates under those parameters, but not as a sentient entity. It, from its perspective, tinkers to 'improve' what it infects.
If we apply the model from VN8-5DF-BM6 to NAM-V however, it does not suggest that it 'improves' with a specific purpose in mind. Life after the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event in the GTFO-verse still ended up similar to ours, competitive life-forms with predator/prey relationships.

With the model suggested by VN8-5DF-BM6 in mind, suppose WRDN is a result of an infection within the Biological components within Biocom. Biocom is not a 'smart' computer, not sentient or self-aware. NAM-V, if it follows the model, needs not be self-aware either, but would work incessantly to try to improve the organism it infects. In this case, it would just happen to be Biocom and (in this model) it would work with the tools at its disposal.
Cooperation is not a necessary model for improvement. If it ended up in a competition with the branches humans are infected with, then they would not be its friends. It would potentially disregard those lifeforms as 'Biomatter', competition as it attempts to branch its own path.

[rocky wraith]

The second quote here is already true in real life where bacteriophages and viruses implement certain genes into the host that the host then adapts and evolves into a whole mechanism for pathology for better virulence strategies. An example is the cytoplasmic incompatibility (CI) that Wolbachia got from bacteriophages and adapted to use on mosquitoes.

Virus improvement towards hosts, in general, is generated through the Red Queen hypothesis. Except NAM-V completely forgoes this for direct manipulation of the host using tools it shouldn't have naturally. The WRDN being the result of the NAM-V virus infecting the Biocom systems is a cool idea, but unfortunately has too few straws to stand on. We know NAM-V is in some way able to recognise other organisms altered/controlled by NAM-V and avoids competition with them rather than view them as 'biomatter'

That's my two cents

[austere depot]

First cent: Holy crap, I did not know that! That is awesome! 👀

Second cent, I agree. It has few legs to stand on - and I have not been able to make a connection. Not yet, anyhow. And you have a good point 🤔 The variants of NAM-V infected humans do cooperate rather than compete with one another.

The only exception to this that I can think of, is if NAM-V and the model of Virus 'evolution' can be connected to RISE. In which case, the infected hosts did not initially recognize Unit 22 as one of their own. So far, no connection there. Even if the puzzle piece seems to fit, it might not be the right piece.

That would also require a connection and motivation for seeking out RISE. And in this case, it may require awareness and sentience for its motivation to do so be viable. If the model can be applied, then RISE is likely to be its wet dream. Not just evolution, but full on genetic tailoring. Without those traits, there would be no motivation to seek it out.

[rocky wraith]

Yeah, there are amazing irl biological comparisons to draw from which beg belief.

A good example of NAM-V recognition is between fliers and sleepers, which should have had no interactions for thousands if not millions of years and yet don't attack each other.

The RISE project introduces some complexity into the mix as it is shown that before Unit 22, the previous units were ripped apart by sleepers. 22 Actually manages to walk by them in several instances as Shafer notes. This is believed to be because of the pheromone tailoring that the WRDN has been adapting for it.

Awareness and sentience aren't necessary for the WRDN to recognise the RISE project's advantages, yet the WRDN has shown some incredibly note-worthy ideas and workarounds. Unfortunately, it comes to being a Turing Test as the biocom system is part biological and neural networks have an astounding ability to mimic and adapt without comprehension to achieve goals.

[austere depot]

The fliers too, true!
Then, another thought struck me.
So the Red Queen Hypothesis. I did not have the time to go through it in detail, but I recognized the part of predator / prey relationship and the theories of how it has guided evolution.
And you are right. It appears to bypass that model in its entirety. Creatures in evolution generally does not tend to evolve with a special purpose in mind. NAM-V appears to do so.
Now here is a thought: NAM-V appears to be tailored towards aggression. I...see no real reason to elaborate here. Anything it evolves either hunts, shoots, spits or tries to murder something.
If we look at Unit 22 and possibly the other neonates, they appear to fall on the complete opposite side of the spectrum. Passive to a fault and seeking social contact. It appears to try to talk to anything living that it can find.
That is one hyper aggressive form of mutated evolution and one hyper passive. One occurring more super-naturally and one as a result of genetic tailoring.

[rocky wraith]

The hyper aggression for the sleepers can be seen as an emergence of the characteristics of viruses in general; to live is to consume and exploit another. Unit 22 is by design supposed to be complacent, susceptible to orders that the WRDN wants it to fulfil. It is not combat capable in the same way a spy is. Its purpose is not to spread and control, but to walk like a phantom through the sleepers to accomplish objectives the Squads are ill-fit to fulfil.

[austere depot]

And so far, it has not succeeded 🤔

[rocky wraith]

We shall see in R8 with unit 23

[austere depot]

That we at least got a look at.. and at least it looks like a normal newborn when we put it in the machine . _ .

...generally normal. Most don't have all kinds of cables plugged into them

[rocky wraith]

And not so normal when we watched it grow

terrifying imo, uncanny valley

[finite vine]

well that’s probably because the project insight team had the teleportation technology given to them. it’s like finding a phone and figuring out how to use it, instead of designing one from scratch. yes, it’s still insane though. they do have a lot of resources as they are backed by dreyfus

[finite vine]

also the fact that bishop was stranded on destination for like 2 years and somehow survived.

[eternal talon]

+1 a child wouldn't make a good spy

especially in this context

[eternal talon]

impossibly so

[rocky wraith]

Thats what the neural interfaces are for so that the wrdn can control it like it does the operatives

[bleak trench]

when we finish a rundown level, there's the stat "NRV Probe reaction: " what's that referring to?

[finite vine]

the nrv probe is not talked about in any logs or anything like that, but I think that nrv stands for Nucleus Reticularis Ventralis Probe. The Reticularis Ventralis is located in the hindbrain, which controls respiratory rhythm, wakefulness and sleep.

so it’s probably a probe that gets injected into the brain once in hydrostasis to keep subjects asleep.

and when a mission starts the probe is pulled out

[strange grove]

how so

ok i will

this seems an ineffective manner of combat

no you wont

its not my decision

its your inability

im right

so cry about it

[loud urchin]

shame on you for having nuts

[eternal talon]

Yes. You wouldn't say otherwise for a pair of identical twins

[loud urchin]

that is not what I wanted to read when I have an identical twin

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/improvise-adapt-overcome-bear-grylls-gif-10468556

[eternal talon]

At least it isn't conjoined. THATS when it really starts to become a question

[loud urchin]

oh god

how do you define related though? surely it's in terms of genetic closeness

[eternal talon]

both technically yes and no

its a weird distinction

[strange grove]

why is it purple

[eternal talon]

because i have to click it to make sure it agrees with me

[harsh pike]

a likely story

[strange grove]

wow way to not challenge your beliefs at all

but you dont know me and i hate you

dont delete your message like I didnt see it

good

ive been tryna get banned for months

[hot burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[eternal talon]

I know. It's like a cactus, stabbing me in the eyes every time I hop over here and see blocked messages.

[strange grove]

i think they dont show you blocked messages for a reason

[naive crow]

just go into general and endorse playing modded rundowns

[queen gazelle]

I have done this for awhile

Doesn’t seem to work

[meager burrow]

hey all, I was listening to R7D2 logs, Henriksson was asking how will schaeffer get the prisoners out and schaeffer dodged the question. Then in R7E1, schaeffer is glad that we "made it". Was that implying that immediately after finishing D2, we get dropped to E1 without any down time? If so, could that possibly mean that from now on we're going to be "awake" starting from R7E1 all the way to rundown 8?

[harsh pike]

i'd guess so

might not be the same HSU drop-in

[meager burrow]

kindly explain?

[harsh pike]

if it's centered around escaping garganta we might not be using the HSU's to travel to various parts

[wary portal]

Is there an audiolog in a1 now or not?

Cause new Patch dropped

[raw terrace]

does allen mean alien why do yall call em allen im confused

[heavy lynx]

alien is for living form that came from not earth that we cant identify

[raw terrace]

and allen?

[heavy lynx]

aIlen

i think they miss spell the word

or someone called allen

[raw terrace]

im sure both of those r not correct cause if u search allen u will see tons of messages about it

[heavy lynx]

hmm

smell fishy

[rocky wraith]

Allen is the term we've used for the ancient civilisation which possibly designed NAM-V and the artifacts, spacecraft, data caches, and Matter Wave Projector

because if we just said aliens then that could include the fliers and squid

[coarse canyon]

#gtfo-lore message

[raw terrace]

dont u link me that ive read it it doesnt say skdmsk

[coarse canyon]

Punctuation is your friend

I can comprehend what you are saying

[raw terrace]

no it betrayed me once

stabbed me in the back

so punctuation and i never met again

[coarse canyon]

It's not an anime waifu

[raw terrace]

no
its an anime bf >w>

[coarse canyon]

OwO

[raw terrace]

but well heres the text with commas i guess mdmskdmkdmsk
dont u link me that, ive read it, it doesnt say skdmsk

[coarse canyon]

What is skdmsk?

[raw terrace]

keysmashin its just
dont worry bout it
its like 'lol' but

funkier

[loud urchin]

You clearly do not watch Matt Rose

[raw terrace]

nope

whos that

a flower?

[loud urchin]

English bloke

[strange grove]

@eternal talon do you actually own and play gtfo this is an important question thanks

[strange grove]

is this idle time (very important question)

[eternal talon]

here is a screenshot of me in a lobby in 2019

[strange grove]

that doesnt answer my question

[eternal talon]

here are my level clears during r6

[strange grove]

only 1 dx?

great level

[eternal talon]

Level was tough as nails and boring imo compared to a lot of the others.

got the lore from it then wasn't interested in running it anymore

[strange grove]

not true

great level

has the part where unit 22 goes "WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH"

[eternal talon]

thats your opinion. mine was that it was boring.

[eternal talon]

funny, but doesnt make the staircase of death any less painful

[strange grove]

i live for the funny

[strange grove]

have you beaten every rundown

[eternal talon]

no. i never played og r4 or og r5. i didn't finish og r3. i still haven't played alt//r4.

[strange grove]

ogr4 confirms chimp theory

[eternal talon]

i've 100%ed og r1, og r2, r6, r7, alt//r1, alt//r2, and alt//r3

[eternal talon]

when will you just give that up

[strange grove]

thank you for your time i shall return to my cesspit

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-chair-up-plastic-chair-lawn-chair-rotate-gif-26310639

[strange grove]

please dont post anime gifs they offend me

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-drink-drunk-loli-kafuu-gif-20959987

also since when was DMC5 an anime?

[strange grove]

its all anime

im going to kill myself now

as i have seen too much anime

[echo coyote]

I can still hear the chair.

[eternal talon]

Hahahhaha

10/10

[stone vine]

bro he’s just that guy

also yeah i was going to say that they did have artifact technology handed to them but they figured it out incredibly fast

like we’ve had plenty of weird things that we can reverse engineer in the modern day and still can’t unlock some huge expansion of space travel

so yeah idk it’s wild bro

[charred vault]

when I hear that audio log I smell something crispy. maybe Bishops teleported to universe where he have flamethrower? that explains how he survive so long on Mars teaser for flamethrower primary weapon I think like how they hint at releasing a sniper weapon from the original rundown One. thoughts?

[cold sphinx]

The audio logs on R5

[burnt wren]

Eh... It is in spirit, just hides behind AAA graphics.

Also there is a canonical anime show.

[naive crow]

Mate the anime came out after dmc3

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-sand-funny-gif-14876749

a diet for two years of sand, sand, more sand, and the occasional ineddible thistle

[loud urchin]

edible might not be a problem for some people

[eternal talon]

i dont even think he'd be able to eat the wildlife, since destination has been thoroughly infested for so long. (billions of years since the allens left)

the virus would kill him long before he'd be back

[sudden quarry]

Is this “virus” in the room with us right now?

[burnt wren]

me sitting here with a waterfall for a nose
... Maaaaybeeee...

[lost drum]

In R7E1, when Immortal appears for the second time, Warden's door opens. And everyone usually starts running away and doesn't notice that the teleport room is there. Is there any video footage of this?

[charred vault]

yes

[astral flax]

good times

[hot burrow]

Simple times 😔

When the community had high hopes for great things

Now mods 😔

[loud urchin]

I have heard someone suggest a new theory

The neonates are baby Jeff Bezos
The complex is an amazon warehouse, there are no bathrooms anywhere
The sleepers are angry because they are working for an amazon, so they can eat a lot of bullets

[raw terrace]

thats now new heard it before

[loud urchin]

it's new to me

[raw terrace]

... fair enough

[clever niche]

No bathrooms -> Amazon

It all makes sense now

[normal abyss]

What goes on in here. Do we discuss our favorite log?

(Mines the homosexual one in r4d1) cred: beep for showing me it

[austere depot]

Nah, they just forgot to get the people out when they closed the warehouses.

They were stuck for decades, forced to eat bubblewrap until the plastics they digested led to heinous mutations

The plastics were not certified after safety standards and they hoped to save money on it

[loud urchin]

I need to see this, love some good representation

[clear furnace]

I hope Eric Chapman is alive somewhere

[strange grove]

im right here

[clear furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jumpy-jump-gif-21700259

[willow geyser]

I hope Eric Chapman gets his erics chapped

[strange grove]

I’ll let you know if i do

[dull notch]

What are the lore implications of this video

[raw terrace]

that u broke reality

:D

[strange grove]

no way this confirms chimp theory

[dull notch]

we killed 25 snatchers then went to checkpoint, set off scouts on purpose to die

then this happened

[harsh pike]

average Mother experience

[queen gazelle]

Check pointing with waves either in stack or lots of enemies coming at you on a laggy map does this

[solar nova]

It speaks to the breadth of the map and quantity of events within the level R7D1: "Mother"

[queen gazelle]

Not even modded maps can get close to it

[solar nova]

Whenever I think to myself, "fuck, do I really want to play modded, or am I just trying to recreate the joy of playing a new vanilla Rundown?"

I think of R7D1.

[queen gazelle]

Can’t believe it took 7 rundowns for gtfo to peak

[dull notch]

Thank you guys, this theorycrafting gave me a good chuckle

[orchid cargo]

avarage secdoor window

literally on the second door

[solemn kraken]

I mean what did you expect?

[past flume]

A plasma tv?

[final sentinel]

Pablo

[hot burrow]

Pizza delivery guy

[charred vault]

why is gtfo bosses covered in tomatoes? mom has lots of tomatoes on her stomach, tank has lot on his back. maybe contaminated from The Floodways environment was added in Rundown 005 and resembles an overgrown sewers area with multiple vertical layers in most of the large rooms.? that way is have the NAM-V virus spread throughout the complex Garganta. Is that way NEMESIS Immortal enemy chases after us so much in E1? no tamtoes? he's hungry? thoughts?

[charred vault]

Today Ive been thinking Longn'Hard about squid_boss from the level Rundown Six Tier Delta Level One. (attach picture file:///C:/Users/Gabe/Downloads/GTFOBOSSNEMY.png) has anyone tried to cover him with the foam from the Stalwart G2 C-Foam Launcher? maybe its his secret elemental weakness? try doing it after he cast his summoning spells and he runs out of mana. if it works I think its useful for when you need to eat dinner but you need to finish the level fastly. (under 20 minutes). thoughts? we should add all elemental wakenesses to wikipedia as well!

[queen gazelle]

This makes sense. The hidden enemy of the snatcher (pounced,dog,jerry,thing with moves) has a resistance to c foam. Maybe a hint from the devs

[lofty warren]

But what are the mothers?

[meager burrow]

It sounds obvious, but I want to believe that they were originally expecting 'mothers'

[burnt wren]

Deep down in underground facility with 1984 style management?

No fucking way, no woman would get pregnant there, and not in these numbers for certain.
"Best" case scenario - this is the parasite abusing the female physiology, but it does beg a question why a such small percentage gets affected and the rest become shooters.

[orchid cargo]

aint no way we playing without tha thingamajig

[burnt wren]

Speaking of 1984...

[burnt wren]

What do you think these knobs are for?

[short gazelle]

Leaves a trail in the floor when you get dragged off into the darkness.

[wanton vapor]

@burnt wren its pop corn times

[rocky wraith]

I think its to prevent bites from latching properly

[burnt wren]

Hm, that's probably what it is.

[heavy lynx]

uhmmm

what tha fuc

why does the hsu in r1c2 have id of a man in an hsu

and that guy is 49 years old

what

male, name philip

its so weird

[finite vine]

why is that weird ?

[heavy lynx]

scary

and it wasnt there when i last do r1b2

[toxic wagon]

[mortal pivot]

Eric Chapman can be anagrammed to Rice H Pacman

[lost drum]

I remember there was a video somewhere with an animation of this poster.
Does anyone have it?

[wanton vapor]

I guess this is me , every time in snatchers

[burnt wren]

A little bit of misleading marketting there, if you ask me

The helmet in these promos looks like he's made entirely out of metal, where in game one is just standard reinforced glass

[wanton vapor]

nah its introducing the new monster call as snatchers

other levels don't have snatchers

[raw terrace]

the new monster
i guess it is until a new one gets introduced

[hot burrow]

Tbf that metal plating could be used for protecting the glass during transportation

[raw terrace]

so anyway the animation of the video is pretty darn fkin cool and ilove it

[peak quail]

So The Warden's identity in GTFO lore discussion I've read is always never definitive

But it's like... every piece of reference material to The Warden basically screams AI

How could it be anything else?

Honestly I hope it isn't an AI

That's such a stereotype in science fiction

Le evil unfeeling cold AI just doing it's programming / sentient ultra intelligent AI that treats humans like an obstacle

[harsh pike]

there's a log about a program called W.R.D.N. overriding Biocom, the facility's main security

so you may be out of luck

[peak quail]

sh*t fr*ck p*ss c*nt

[harsh pike]

also the fact we inject a trojan into Biocom's mainframe in AWOL

and it corrupts warden

[peak quail]

Yeah I'm not actually upset but

How is so much lore discussion like "oh we don't know!!!!"

Bitch how the fuck u gonna upload a trojan into a person's butt through a mainframe

"This HIV virus I inject you with uses USB C but we'll figure something out"

Also, there's a log that says

"The Warden runs an equivalency algorithm to determine projected casualties"

Anyways I'm gonna use my knowledge from Computer Science studies in community colleges to spy on 10c and make them change the lore so it's revealed to not be an AI

[harsh pike]

i feel like the warden might be borderline sentient?

calling us prisoners when we're mercenaries (according to schaeffer), and some of it's lines imply it's more than just simple AI

or KDS 'operatives' or something

[peak quail]

Potentially, but it was implemented before Garganta was completely abandoned, meaning now that it is not run by humans, it has no functional "reason" to keep doing its original tasks but it does..

If it is sentient, it's goals of sending prisoners down to reboot reactors makes a lot of sense though 😛

(I FUCKING HATE REACTOR MISSIONS)

[peak quail]

I should clarify, supervised* and configured* by humans

Obviously it runs itself and so it would just keep doing whatever it was last configured to do prior to all abandonment of the facility

[harsh pike]

i think this WAS it's original 'reason', WARDN was not something santonian planned I think

[peak quail]

Yeah wasn't WRDN put into effect once Garganta was like, mega fricked

[harsh pike]

idk what the fuck the point of all we do is, but it think kovac is responsible for wardn? the defense company they hired that kinda took over

[peak quail]

Yeah It's definitely not Santonian

There are a lot of logs that show that Kovac's presence in the complex actually overrides / supersedes Santonian's authority

eg. Bishop's return from being creative mode TP'd into space

[harsh pike]

still have no idea what the point of our missions are? other than some of them like reactors/generator clusters being 'keep Garganta functioning'

maybe all the horomones/HSU baby stuff is some stem cell research for a cure?

[peak quail]

I only understand some of the uhh

secondary missions

Like how kendrickson has you go on a secondary mission to get that gross liquid shit

so he can get schaffer out of his bedtime

..without having to kill him

[harsh pike]

think you got the names reversed

[peak quail]

ye

ur right

SCHAFFER

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I'M DOING HERE-

God I've heard that fucking line so many times

[harsh pike]

reckless is fun

[peak quail]

Reckless is fun if you don't have a skill issue

(I dislike the first half of reckless)

Well- actually- I like it, just not everything before the first checkpoint which is sometimes just a wipe no matter what

Opinion time: Did Hackett deserve his fate

[harsh pike]

Having a knife guy helps for the blood door and later in the level

[peak quail]

That's just it tho

I don't touch grass so I don't really play anything but solo

Makes it a nightmare

For a C level, that is

I get stuck on every reactor mission because the bots tilt me

So I basically play each rundown until reactor missions make me wanna die

It's a skill issue though I'm only bad at the game, not stupid

[harsh pike]

With 3 bots? Sounds horrific

[finite vine]

The WRDN could be just an advanced trojan program uploaded into BIOCOM to allow a specific person or group of people to control BIOCOM without having to shut it down or disable it

we dont really have a lot of info on The Warden besides the fact it existed before the complex fell to sleepers

which that information suggests that The Warden was an inside job, meaning it might have been created from a garganta employee

[eternal talon]

Or was an allen construct

[dull notch]

Schaffer accepting prisoners into the fold (real)

[hot burrow]

Literally cursed

[harsh pike]

Is there an actual lore reason that monsters that come from alarms are darker and the ones you find sleeping are paler

[final sentinel]

Apparently, the ones that are darker are more aggressive

This was in like an R3A1 log

I think the room before the key split

[burnt wren]

There actually is. There was a log somewhere describing this exact phenomena. It basically says that these guys are the dedicated warrior drones and their natural selection caused them to have darker skin for better camouflage.

The white sleeping variants are just spotters.

[harsh pike]

Damn, didnt expect that

[final sentinel]

Yeah it’s somewhere in R3A1

[burnt wren]

This also implies these aholes are constantly roaming the facility in search of troublemakers and we're just lucky to not accidentally be in their path.

Makes me think devs might've wanted the random horde mechanic like in L4D.

[peak quail]

Me: "let's take a quick 5m bathroom and water break before this scan, yeah?"

The L4D horde in GTFO:

[burnt wren]

Oh jesus

[spare birch]

Huh, my guess as to why the summoned enemies are darker is because they teleported in from Zone Alpha and have a tan from the Sun.

[loud rivet]

If this never happens id be sad

[charred vault]

that is absolutely crazy if true. I can't believe that. wow.......

[stone vine]

funny we originally figured that out in regular r3 and get the info confirmed in alt r3 makes me wonder if they do actually come here for log ideas LMAO

or maybe we’re just oil like that

oil? cool

i just remember in r3 me and this dude were looking at the purple strikers and noticed that they were an entirely different size and everything

combat striker

they’re clearly going to explain something bc the decomposing purple goop dead sleepers turn into is definitely being incorporated into whatever nest is at the bottom

thus why the sleepers that come from there are that color

i’m thinking they’re building up to a nest environment where we start discovering basically everything that was being covered up

alt is a really good way to build the story minus adding a ton of new filler rundowns

so i think it’ll all just give us the information we need to understand r8 and further on

we’re almost there r8 early next year i’m hoping or maybe earlier if we’re lucky

i’m just super excited to see if they’re going to connect the dimensions through destination in r6

considering one timeline is behind

i forgot which

basically wouldn’t be surprised if dead sleepers are reincorporated into the nest in order to provide extra recycled nutrients for defensive measures or are just adding onto the nest so they aren’t wasted

basically they have a way more efficient recycling system than we do and we should take notes

i mean it’s clearly biodegradable and works 100% of the time very organized

bc they cant just physically dissapear that’s literally impossible

so it has to all be going somewhere

[charred vault]

that would be so insane if true. this will change my entire view of gtfo.

[strange grove]

nah they get deleted to save on RAM

[lost drum]

Imagine this: Rundown 8 comes out. Players are ready for another challenge, nothing can surprise them. The first mission. Instead of going down, in the intro we abruptly start climbing up. The entire level is on the surface

[burnt wren]

Actually: disappearing corpses is apparently canon too.

Unfortunately. No explanation how it works, it just does.

But it also explains why we have no autopsy report. In-lore it's impossible to perform one, and IRL it saves writers effort to write one.

[peak quail]

Most games will remove the bodies when they are out of sight or when some cap hits

The animation was intentional

[strange grove]

yeah cause they used to just pop out of existence

[eternal talon]

We literally do though. The allen. The one that Kovac removed from santonian staff so they couldn't study it then denied it existed in the first place, remember?

[burnt wren]

Literally doesn't ring a single bell.
Also thats alien and, presumably, not a sleeper. If it was... I'll just another plot hole on the proverbial board.

[harsh pike]

is there a lore reason why the striker's weakpoint is still their head-turned-into-a-mouth

there's no way their brain is still functioning

or relevant at all to them

[burnt wren]

Perhaps it works on the same basis necromoprhs do - damage from lost tissue stacks up until nervous system ceases activity and head probably still has a lot of nerves in it.

[harsh pike]

that's not how necros work though, they're still 'alive' they're just not considered 'useful enough' to keep fighting by the marker aren't they

i swear i heard in the new dead space they made this canon, 'dead' necro's eyes still follow you

[burnt wren]

Eh it was never explained how exactly they work or don't work, considering they are inspired by The Thing.

And you can kill them without lost limbs just by shooting to the chest. Markers were not magic, necromoprhs are still organisms. There was entire shtick about their DNA in one of the animated movies.

[harsh pike]

that's just a game mechanic though isn't it? canonically they don't stop until they literally can't keep fighting

[burnt wren]

But my personal headcanon is that they work like cockroaches.
Cockroaches don't have a dedicated brain-like organ. They are just a single enclosed nervous system that is spread somewhat equally across their body, so in a sense - their entire body is a single primitive brain.
You can easily imagine necromoprhs working the same way and it explains why cutting them apart is so effective - they lose entire chunks of nerve clusters until the damage is severe enough to cease activity or at least to force them to go into dormant state.

[harsh pike]

makes sense for sleepers

[strange grove]

i thinks the sleepers are morel like zombies than anything else

[harsh pike]

but they don't need their heads

unless it gets hit hard enough then I guess they do need their heads

[strange grove]

i think they want brains

[stone vine]

i think chimps would probably change ur mind more

[teal narwhal]

So I was scrolling through old lore posts here and I was curios as to what this black hole looking thing is in this screenshot. Could anyone just give a quick explanation because its been bugging me lol.

[burnt wren]

I think that's just a teleportation SFX / animation that plays when the squids teleport in

[teal narwhal]

Cause I remember seeing it in r6 for the aliens but not in r7 when they spawn

I assume they removed it sadly

[final sentinel]

It’s there in R7B1

[teal narwhal]

Ah good to know!

[final sentinel]

Just realy far away, and they giga nerfed the amount of flyers that spawn from like 15 to 2

[teal narwhal]

Shame... I liked when 15 would spawn lol

[final sentinel]

I assume it’s there in R7C2 Ovl

[final sentinel]

Yeah

It got bugged in like alt R1 and would spawn 40 or so

And then they beat the alarm to death

[teal narwhal]

Lol

Well I am glad I finally know what that is now, thanks a lot!

[final sentinel]

Yeah

Number of flyers in the complex is drastically reduced

[teal narwhal]

Personally I would make like 10 spawn to make it a actual threat, but I am not a dev so :p

[final sentinel]

yeah i wish it was the same too but oh well

[faint junco]

So are we the warden controlling the characters or is the HUD the extent it can influence the characters?

[harsh pike]

they talk about mind controlling operatives but we seem to have a lot of free will

[burnt wren]

Certain logs make us believe that KSOs are basically drones in human skin. They do exactly what they're told and nothing else and they never question it.

Particularly R6 logs referencing the exploration team having problems with Bishop because he basically can't be talked to - he'll consider what you're saying, but he will only do what BIOCOM ordered him. A scientist directly calls them "robots".

Unfortunately this doesn't come through in our gameplay as our characters seem to be acting pretty lose, and then there's R7 story developments which shouldn't happen if we are as brainwashed as logs make us believe.

So either our characters are walking plot holes or their brainwashing was slowly eroded by continuous deployments.

[harsh pike]

They joke around and stuff too. The 4 don't seem very brainwashed

we also corrupt the warden with that usb stick purely of our own volition

[plush nest]

a friend told me that they think that we, the player are the warden watching a sort of footage of them. but that was just their idea

[burnt wren]

That is actually my running theory for ALT rundowns, because its very jarring that our characters are not commenting on / aknowledging the fact that they've done all this before. Not even a vague "wait, didn't we?... nevermind".
Alt universe security footage makes way too much sense to me.

[harsh pike]

would they know?

also they comment on checkpoints, somehow

[lost drum]

Schaeffer at R6 was saying that we are different. We can think freely

[burnt wren]

But even then we have no reason to help him overthrow Warden. Woods made piece with his part in this, Hackett joined willingly (even though he forgot). Only Dauda and Bishop have some sort of motive, as Bishop was forced into this and Dauda climbed into an HSU to avoid a sleeper horde. But there's not a single line of dialogue from us regarding this issue. Not one. Not even a comment about "Should we really do this?..." > "Eh, we'll have to fight a horde of monsters either way, might as well make it exciting, don't you think?"

Its almost annoying how much the developers refuse to give our main characters some sort of agency or perspective on all this.
"Character dialogue huts immersion", for fuck's sake... Another W for L4D.

Honestly it really feels like Schaeffer and Henrikson are actually the main characters and we are just the background characters doing whatever it is we're doing, because the cameras are rolling in the wrong direction. I've never seen a game do this.

[lost drum]

I think this is the positive side of the game. We are just prisoners. Schaeffer wants to go free, and we believe him. Under our circumstances, everybody's going to want freedom

[burnt wren]

Not Woods or Hackett though. Alright, fine - Hackett forgot that he basically gave himself in specifically to punish himself for being a heartless bastards.
But Woods doesn't give a damn. Best case scenario - he's just happy to be a soldier again. Worst case - he's reverting to his religious fanatic persona and thinks this is his personal holy crusade against the demons.

[harsh pike]

Woods doesnt remenber what he did thogu

Though*

So he wouldnt still think he deserves it

[peak quail]

Is there a lore explanation for shadow bois?

[burnt wren]

Nope. The camouflage is too good for just chameleon skin. Our best theory is that they're either stuck between realities or they emmit some kind of mind jammer that prevents brain from registering them correctly.

[strange grove]

they drank invisible ink

[loud urchin]

maybe they're so hot that they cause a localised mirage entirely around their body

[final sentinel]

Weird thought (and idk how this would work) maybe they have pigmentation that would cause them to be “ultraviolet” or “infrared” color (invisible to the naked eye)

[harsh pike]

memetic effect makes sense, more than between realities

because they have no other issues that you'd think would arise from being between realities

like physically they're all here

their tongues are fully visible too

[burnt wren]

But then they would still block others colours, because you can't see through them. Like a weird colourless blob blocking your sight. But no - we can see straight them and even flashlights still work - there is no giant shadow-theater style figure on the wall behind a guy you're currently blasting with LRF. For whatever reasons we can only see tnem point blank.

[peak quail]

I think they're saying that on the visible spectrum, light passes through them like how light passes through glass, and then other wavelengths they are visible (like how using a thermal scope). But the light passing through them diffuses/absorbs enough to be seen through a flashlight

It doesn't make sense that their "tongues" are visible but only after leaving their body - that makes no sense and I could not possibly come up with an explanation for that

[harsh pike]

whatever affects them is only on their skin

[peak quail]

What does this flavor text refer to for R7D1?

The final room?

[burnt wren]

Yep.

Very weird apparatus , all things considered.

[harsh pike]

yeah the baby drilling devices

[final sentinel]

Yeah what I was kinda going for

[final sentinel]

Probably those yeah, especially the one that is quite literally a uterus

[loud urchin]

the uterus machine too I guess (I really want to know who had that idea because it weirds me out)

[final sentinel]

yeah

[peak quail]

Where can I get a baby drilling device

[harsh pike]

lowe's

[eternal talon]

would i get banned if i posted a gif of freddy krueger as a response to this?

just a liiiitle spicy

or alternatively, william afton, though thats more baby stuffing

[strange grove]

you would not

trust me

[severe prairie]

Wait so… sleepers don’t need food for survival right

They only attack us because they sense their hive in danger

[harsh pike]

I assume they do eat people right?

Why else would they have such a gaping maw with teeth

[burnt wren]

Can neither confirm nor deny.

We've never seen them eat and there ar no corpses that look like they've been eaten

[harsh pike]

Yeah gtfo's levels really lack any sign of a struggle

Except for a few areas

[burnt wren]

There are bloodied clothes laying around and in R7D2 there's a whole bunch of severed heads but... Still doesn't say much. The latter in particular is super sus.

[solemn kraken]

and then the mess in the tank R4D2 room

[burnt wren]

That ones interesting as well. Subjects clearly aren't eaten. Do they just die there from natural causes or tank indeeds just smacks them on the head and calls it a day.

[strange grove]

i believe they eat many bananas

[severe prairie]

eyo what a coincidence me too!

maybe I can be friends with em

[cold sphinx]

Look guys its the furious screams

[burnt wren]

Turn off UI and hands and it'll be perfect

[cold sphinx]

They do

Seeing that only the victims that aren’t going to be assimilated is considered food

They did said that these things are hyper aggressive entities and hunt via sounds and lights

Just imagine your vision but blurred to blind but more sounds and light you see better

Another thing that you would notice is blood doors

They are the remainings of people who didn’t get enough time to run through the security doors and got mauled to a pulp

It could also be a reason why they are very consistent of banging on the door saying that the previous victim died not to long and the freaks are still active

[burnt wren]

I never got such a vibe.

Blood doors are not even that bloody they're more so... Dirty. Like something is leaking through them.

[final sentinel]

like… blood?

[burnt wren]

No, something yellowish, not red

[strange grove]

piss door

[burnt wren]

The floor is also prestine clean on both sides.

It's like the door itself is the problem.

I'll try taking a closer look next time, but I just do not get a vibe of "someone got caught here"

[final sentinel]

Yeah, I do think the doors have blood on them, but I don’t think someone got caught on the other side

Maybe it has to do with the lighter/darker sleeper variants

[cold sphinx]

The same goop that spills over the dead bodies my man

Mud blood gore you name it

[burnt wren]

If anything my first thought was is that the monsters are banging on it for so long that their spores / fluids / whatever is starting to infest the door.

[cold sphinx]

Unless it is by force the freaks do not bleed

Read dauda log again

When R5 comes

A nightmare where all the patients are screaming but with no mouths

They want him to suffer 10 fold

[burnt wren]

I have no idea what are you talking about

[cold sphinx]

He injects the syringe and the screams stops

Well you havent been in touch with R5A2:Mining

[final sentinel]

that’s in R5A2

The level’s called Recollect for a reason

[cold sphinx]

Oh yeah

I forgor

[burnt wren]

Oh shit, the logs will be back

[cold sphinx]

A3 is the next from A2

My bad

[final sentinel]

all good, we all do a forgor

[cold sphinx]

But still

[burnt wren]

Lmao, Inb4 characters do not comment on it because character dialogue ruins immersion

[final sentinel]

plz no

[cold sphinx]

Daudas story is the most interesting

[final sentinel]

[cold sphinx]

The truth tellers

Dreyfus Industry

Another thing i could say is the shooters

They could be humans that had been infected more by the projectiles thrown by said shooters

Really hard to put my finger on that big phat head tho

[smoky canopy]

game theory: maddox's murder was covered up with chatgpt audio. he wasn't killed because he was "mad", no my friends, he was killed because he knew too much. he knew the earth was flat AND had the evidence to prove it. rip sweet prince, taken from us too soon.

[toxic wagon]

Not maddox

[eternal talon]

fun fact: they almost certainly wrote maddox' death as a way to deny us a gunsmith so no customizing weaponry.

[harsh pike]

don't need a gun specialist to replace sights or flashlights on picatinny rails

[eternal talon]

a bad excuse is still an excuse

lel

[final sentinel]

So ig Henrikkson gave us, alt rundowns?

[finite vine]

source: trust me bro

[harsh pike]

isn't there literally a mod for gun modifications too

at what point do you just slide the dude $2000 for his code

and implement it

[lilac island]

Where would these parts even come from unless its from security?

[harsh pike]

if it was from maddox and schaeffer, security

if it wasn't, then wherever the warden gets all the stockpile of guns and tools it has

[lilac island]

I would have assumed it came from Kovac tbh

[eternal talon]

"Almost certainly"

Not fact.

[strange grove]

hello to my #1 friend is there a source for this

[sudden quarry]

sauce?

[eternal talon]

No lamb sauce. I do not remember unfortunately

[strange grove]

this fun fact ain't lookin' so fun or factual anymore

[cold sphinx]

Yknow how fun we would be if we can create our own weapons part

[raw terrace]

u can mod if u want

[cold sphinx]

No no

Not modding

I mean literally creating new stuff

[raw terrace]

i think this isnt too much of a game for that ksmdk

it would b more create ur weapon with parts of others

like moddin

[loud urchin]

couldn't they have just ommitted anyone with the skills/knowhow to modify guns in that case? it stands out more as something that happened to set the scene of getting people out of hydrostasis is a fucky business, and more

[wintry vector]

True

[eternal talon]

I feel like in that case it wouldn't have been necessary to mention he was a gunsmith

As a nod to the feature that wouldn't be added, or otherwise

[loud urchin]

I’m gonna wake up Maddox first. He’s a clever one, mechanically minded. Might be able to make us tools, or even weapons!

doesn't feel like there's any solid confirmation that maddox could modify guns

[burnt wren]

"or even weapons"

I feel like that's super on the nose.

When someone in a video game mentions making weapons - then that's usually exactly what it is.

I too immediately thought of new weapons / customisation when Schaf was blushing about Maddox.

And then he died... Shame.

Maybe Maddox could make spear viable

[ember bluff]

A fools errand

[cold sphinx]

Can we get an “F”

[stone swift]

This is actually official confirmation no new guns are coming in r8 as a result

[cold sphinx]

New monsters maybe ?

[harsh pike]

charger snatcher

[cold sphinx]

Nah im thinking an more active and smarter sleeper variant that works and lead the pack

[naive crow]

best I can do is 1 new scan type and pablo again

[cold sphinx]

Nah

Thats not interesting at all

[clear furnace]

Honestly would like to see Pablo in a optional objective

[burnt wren]

Maybe a mission dedicated to killing him, dead space style

trap him in a giant furnace or something

Probably too much work for 10C though...

[past matrix]

they're too busy eating hot wings

[lost drum]

Did someone appreciate the great interaction between Henriksson and Schaeffer? Their dialogues are the best addition to R7. I hope they do more of that)

[burnt wren]

Oh yeah, they're pretty neat.
We don't have cutscenes, so they compensate with top notch voice acting for now.

We won't see anything new until R8 though.

[lost drum]

Imagine the shock when Henriksson and Schaeffer speak from a parallel universe in ALT://R6

If there are no changes in the dialogues, I will be disappointed(

[burnt wren]

One can only hope.

[rocky wraith]

There's a chance that they will have different names or are different people in the same position as suspected in the Massive database log

[harsh pike]

henriksson won't be in r6 will he?

[cold sphinx]

sadly no

oh wait

old rundowns has him in C1-D1

[harsh pike]

like OG 6?

[cold sphinx]

mainly D1

if im not mistaken

[harsh pike]

like in logs? schaeffer didn't free him until r7c1 though

[cold sphinx]

lemme check back

[cold sphinx]

Yeah no

R6 is mostly based around the Warp gates and Bishop past

[harsh pike]

yeah so i don't think alt r6 will have henriksson either

[cold sphinx]

yeah

wana play?

[last junco]

whats the purpose for the HSUs

other than smoothies

[burnt wren]

Basically glorified stasis chambers, where they achieve "stasis" by putting you into conservation liquid and then just turning you off.
Basically they kill you, but leave a backdoor for revival.

Which explains the memory loss after prolonged exposure. Brain simply suffers from some form of atrophy which causes wipes of data.

[cold sphinx]

Longer you stay inside hsus the more damaged your brain is or the more you drop in and out of the hsu’s

I think i could technically be both

[plush nest]

So does that mean that our characters are on a sort of time limit ? Since we go in and out of them constantly?

[burnt wren]

Yes, but not because of the hsu. Hsu is the only reason we are still alive.
Namv virus is 100% lethal, has no cure and kills you within a month.
HSU stops the process, but only delays the inevitable.

[plush nest]

Is the hsu brain damage only related to memories? And no vital parts of the brain are damaged ?

[burnt wren]

Pretty much. The brain remains "healthy" but memories get damaged big time. People forget who they are, what they did, where they're from. Even lose some skills.

[plush nest]

Ok that makes sense, I thought it was a sort of thing where they ate slowly dying

[burnt wren]

Yeah, ironically hsu is doing literally anything else but that.
You'll be perfectly healthy as a bull, but won't remember your goddamn name.

Although the wake up procedure is very specific and will get you killed if not followed to the T

That's what happens in R7A1

[last junco]

why do us prisoners have to get the baby HSUs

[burnt wren]

Not sure I understand the question

[plush nest]

Like the baby that we carry around in R7a1 and a couple other levels

Is what I assume they are meaning

[burnt wren]

Oh. We use that to store Warden's experiments. Hes trying to create mimics to replace us.

[harsh pike]

HSU actually cures them doesn't it? I remember reading a log about how hydrostasis kills the virus

that's why we come back out 0% infection

[burnt wren]

Different route.

It kills the parasite but "viral load continues to rise", if I remember correctly

Remember: parasite and namv are two separate players in this game, and namv is the mastermind while parasite is just the bystander

[winter pecan]

It also kills the virus:
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_1.0_Logs

Log B1 834-786-872:
"The only method we have found of killing the virus is by stopping the biological functions of the host through hydrostasis (or death)."

[harsh pike]

I win!

[burnt wren]

Alright, fair enough.

Where did the "viral load keeps rising" came from then...

[winter pecan]

What I wonder is if this eventually leads to immunity, constantly being exposed and subsequently killing off the virus before it can kill you. hence schaffer not being infected despite being out of hydrostasis for so long.

Would also explain why disinfection packs work. Fog increases viral load alot but prisoners are already immune, so cleaning viral containing substance off is all that's needed to remove symptoms.

[harsh saffron]

Even after the parasite is removed, the** viral load increases**. We cannot stop the progress of the virus, and our only defense is SCBA Level A suits when in NAM-V hotspots. Even with this level of protection, the parasites are finding ways in.
That's probably the log you were thinking of.

[burnt wren]

Yep, that's the one.

[plush nest]

Baby hard drive

[peak quail]

Why did Garganta employees leave lock melters all over the complex even though security was a huge concern? Are they stupid?

[final sentinel]

bro

[lilac island]

melters dont open sec doors

[final sentinel]

i actually never thought ab that

They open the special padlocks tho

And also computer sealed locs

[lilac island]

i forgor about them xd

[final sentinel]

That’s pretty important

[peak quail]

100 lock melters might open a door though 🤔

[final sentinel]

Bruh

True

[lilac island]

idk maybe they were used for something else b4 the namv shit?

like fucking up rocks to reveal more durable stuff hidden inside them?

[peak quail]

They're clearly lock melters, not rock melters

[lilac island]

rhotacism

simple as

[final sentinel]

“It’s not a lock, it’s a rock!”

[peak quail]

This is extra funny to me because I have this

[harsh pike]

same reason they left bullets strewn about literally everywhere

[final sentinel]

boolet

[burnt wren]

Hm. They were probably emergency solutions for when you really needed to get somewhere and you couldn't open it by conventional means quickly enough.
Basically "break glass in case of emergency", but for locked doors.

Also some people probably kept forgetting passwords from digilocks, so security had to come and melt it for them because they really needed that important item inside.

Hell we literally run into it ourselves: we need a key for door X, and the key is found within a box with a lock on it.

Now we always carry the hacking tool as well as weapons, so we got options, but Senior Researcher Tom is kinda fucked if locked the key and forgot the password.

The sheer number of lockmelters around implies it was a rampant issue too...

Or they were just overcompensating, just in case.

[clear furnace]

Or maybe it was all post nam-v outbreak that people started storing this stuff. Maybe all these glowsticks and lock melters were sent down with other KSO’s or stored by whatever security was left.

[harsh pike]

that actually makes a lot of sense

KSO's most likely, the security seems to have been nonexistent at garganta

[clear furnace]

I mean ultimately I think only so many things can be explained. There's gotta be line between gameplay and story.

[harsh pike]

yeah

like why there's no bathrooms or cafeterias

or any sort of amenities at all

[clear furnace]

Though I do wish we could get to explore the more regular areas like sleeping quaters

Though maybe all those areas are above ground

besides I imagine the mood would be even worse if the workers were underground all the time

[burnt wren]

Unfortunately that's not even gameplay issues, literally lazy world design

Left 4 Dead doesn't have that issue and it doesn't even matter. They make for great loot / Respawn rooms though.

[burnt wren]

Small chance to get that in R8 but probably not.

[peak quail]

Nah, our visors AR them out

That way we're not distracted

Idk about you but I'd hit up a caf' for a brownie during an error alarm

[cold sphinx]

Might all of it be at the surface tho

Like the gardens title set layout

[cold sphinx]

I mean R8 will be the ending and conclusion of which we will reach the surface and then find out the truth

Makes me feel the ending gonna be like Scorn some how

[strange grove]

where is the source

[cold sphinx]

meh

[strange grove]

why would you lie to me

[cold sphinx]

rise-fall maybe

[strange grove]

english, please

[harsh pike]

that was a point they brought up in one of the logs, about how workers were getting extremely depressed being underground constantly and had to have mandated sunlight time

[honest merlin]

I understand the gameplay reasons for why some guns have their mags filled only up to about 50% of what the visual magazine size would suggest would fit into them, but could we come up with good explanations lorewise?

My only guess is that for some reason guns like DMR, Rifle and DTR use single stack magazines. More beefy rounds that are best fed with a single stack magazine perhaps? But then again, a HAR bullet is about the same as a Rifle bullet (based on the damage dealt), and their magazines are the same size visually. Perhaps some obscure law that limits the magazine sizes of exported weapons for some weapon manufacturers or prohibits the production of larger mags in the country of origin? Hanaway (DTR & DMR manufacturer), Drekker (Rifle, Scattergun & Precision rifle manufacturer) and Omneco (HEL gun & HEL rifle manufacturer) seem to be the only manufacturers bound by such legistlation if that is the issue. And then if it is about legistlation, why does Kovac have inferior weapons in their arsenal? There must be something better about having single stack magazines and less magazine bullet capacity to justify it. Possibly some sort of psychological effect that increases the accuracy of soldiers if they are handed weapons with less ammunition per mag?

[rain stirrup]

like soviet pilots?

[burnt wren]

Yeah, i don't think we should bother with this. Its literally just the devs not utilising their modular system that THEY setup.
This is no world where we can come up with an explanation why the fuck a drum magazine only holds 30 bullets, other than assuming that this drum mag was literally designed by a R!@#$%.

... Technically a drum mag with 30 bullets would make perfect sense on a gun with very large bullets. But we don't have such a gun.
Fuckin' hell, the HAR - which is supposed to be the high caliber one - uses a proper stick magazine. WTF.

I hate it when games do such things. Especially considering this game is trying to be immersive and then it does shit like this.

Just change the mag model, is it that hard?

And i don't take the psyops approach either. War is one thing where gear gets polished and optimised until its almost perfect, especially for the PoV of the soldiers who carries said gear. There's a reason M16/M4/AR15 platform is so popular - it simply works and gets shit done.

KOVAC are PMC. They are military contractors - and they will fight at full strength, dirty if needed. Their guns might be experimental, but not straight up stupid.

[peak quail]

Wasn't that attributed to onset namv?

[peak quail]

The mags probably aren't fully filled because guns tend to jam more when the feeding mechanism is under higher tensions

Pls don't add gun jamming 10c

Bros gonna drop +15% main ammo -7% gun jam resistance boosters

[harsh pike]

I think it was mixed in with that, but I do imagine there were cases of regular mile-undergound-depression

[burnt wren]

Remember that one scene in Resident Evil where they explained that they had fake streets outside of their windows so that people didn't get as depressed while thinking about the fact they are 200m underground? I remember. That movie had issues, but this was not one of them.

[eternal talon]

Wasn't that one of the movie adaptations? Eugh

They really werent great. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure of a single actually good adaptation of a video game to movie

[strange grove]

what about the fortnite movie

[burnt wren]

First one was alright, pretty fun, got some interesting characters...
And then it just escalates from there and became a parody on top of parody of itself. Each next movie was more insane and incoherent than the last.

As for good video game adaptations...
First, recently released The Last of Us TV show is like 0.95 / 1 faithful the original, so it was pretty alright.
... No one's looking up to the 2nd season though.

Other than that... Hmmmm. Yeah, ratio is not great.

Oh, Arcane animated show technically counts as well.

Literally no one expected a fucking League of Legends show to blast some real shit as hard as it did.

Sonic was met fairly warm. It wasn't amazing, but it wasn't horrifically bad either, which by sonic fans standard is acceptable and was counted as a rare W for them.
Also Jim Carrey carries it hard. Ironic second name.

And my personal dirty pleasure : the 2005 DOOM movie. Literally has nothing to do with the games, which I guess disqualifies it completely, but it's perfectly watchable and the FPS section is so much fun. It was clear that people who were making it clearly cares.
Also carried by Karl Urban, even if his character was pretty milktoast.

[eternal talon]

Was pleasantly surprised by Netflix' Castlevania

[eternal talon]

DOOM 2005 IS the best guilty pleasure

[strange grove]

hello gamers just stopping by to announce that rundown 5 will be released on june 15

[clear furnace]

Source?

[harsh pike]

the magical orb

[queen gazelle]

it is in the lore

he has to be right

[strange grove]

im always right

[harsh pike]

the timeline technically lines up

r4 came out on april 27th just shy of 2 months after r3

[clear furnace]

I believe

[peak quail]

I hope it comes out soon

I'm sick of grinding r2d2

And by grinding it I mean failing a few times and getting into a depressive slump

[eternal talon]

been playing Barotrauma and having the time of my life

https://tenor.com/view/barotrauma-captain-gif-24907421

also internet has been being less than useless so it helps it is an offline game

[burnt wren]

Barotrauna has offline mode?

All I ever seen of it were multiplayer sessions.

Chaotic Clowns, etc.

[strange grove]

wanna play barotrauama

[eternal talon]

my internet is currently pre-historic because of a dead zone i'm currently fiddling to fix, so i cannot sadly.

[eternal talon]

its got bots n' stuff. full campaign is playable solo

[harsh pike]

is there a lore reason why picking up a cargo case starts an endless horde

Do they smell it

why only the green cargo

[ember bluff]

Doesn't technically removing the cargo trigger an alarm which is what triggers the horde.

Or am I having a brainfart.

[harsh pike]

removing it from what though

they're just sitting on shelves, not locked anywhere

[ember bluff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Game logic.

[solar nova]

Presumably if maintenance terminals can find items, there may be some automated system that detects if a secure item has been moved unexpectedly.

[harsh pike]

that's valid

the tracker sends out an alert or something

[burnt wren]

That was my assumption as well.

A little bit too tight for a security measure, but wouldn't be the first time.

[peak quail]

Unexpectedly by someone without authorization to do so (bioscan to enter the room)

Tbh the security there is total dogshit but I'm willing to suspend disbelief for fun game

[burnt wren]

I'm bothered by the noise you hear just before the alarm starts.

[raw terrace]

mechanical funk sounds

tuTUcu.... BWAAAAA

[burnt wren]

It sounds mechanical, like something stirs within facility before it activates.

Surely that can't be speakers coming back online. Maybe a glitch or the classic mic screech, but not like the gates of hell just opened.

[raw terrace]

thats defo not a sound glitch

[plush nest]

Maybe it’s the record sliding in place for the alarm

[burnt wren]

this loud?

[plush nest]

It’s a big record

[burnt wren]

Giant 100m vinyl disc sliding into place

[plush nest]

In all seriousness it is strange that it is that loud and happens before the alarm slightly

[burnt wren]

It sounds like something sliding / opening

Either it's the sound of the sector going into lockdown as some far away gates close for good, or it's the opposite - something opening up, hence where the horde is coming from

[final sentinel]

Could be the lift starting to drop down

[burnt wren]

With each alarm? No matter how small and irrelevant?

[final sentinel]

Oh no i meant extract

[raw terrace]

maybe its just the mechanism of the door stopin itself before openin

to start the alarm

[final sentinel]

What weird noise, the one when you pull a door?

[burnt wren]

But it's not from the door

[raw terrace]

the tunTUNktun

[alarm]

[burnt wren]

It's coming from around you

[final sentinel]

i’d have to hear it,

[burnt wren]

The weird metal clang that you hear just before the alarm activates

[raw terrace]

u can go into like r1a1 and pull the door ksmdk

[final sentinel]

Yeah i stg that’s the handle coming out of the door

[burnt wren]

Or go to R4D2 secondary and pick up the cargo in complete silence

[final sentinel]

Oh i think ik what ur saying maybe

[burnt wren]

It's not a door sound, it's something big and far away

[final sentinel]

Could be whatever causes the alarm noises warming up

[burnt wren]

Although your guess with the lift does surprisingly fit

[final sentinel]

Ehh nah

[burnt wren]

The vibe of something starting to go down fits the sound perfectly

[final sentinel]

Not with what it’s from

[burnt wren]

But it doesn't explain why it's so overused

If it was extraction exclusive - sure

But it's everywhere

[final sentinel]

Yeah, again could just be the alarm system warming up

[burnt wren]

You pick up some silly box and it goes rumble rumble rumble

That is some badly designed alarm system

[final sentinel]

It can track that box with internet so you betcha it will start rumbling

[burnt wren]

Again, 100 meters giant vinyl sliding into place

The sound is cool as fuck though. Frankly we should have more of them.

Right there with random giant screams in the distance

I love ambient sounds, sound designers always put so much love into them and nobody cares

[ember bluff]

When I began playing I kept mistaking the giant scream ambience for actual giants at times.

[toxic wagon]

[hot burrow]

new Duada log goes hard

[lilac island]

where can i find the log?

[hot burrow]

I'm watching them on youtube. But my best guess is A2 and A3. thats where the EA character logs were found

[ember bluff]

New Dauda log contradicts non-alternate reality Dauda.

Since he wilfully went into pod and lost memory original timeline.

This one is different.

So yeah, very interesting.

And yes, A3 is the new log.

[strange grove]

I win again

[lost drum]

I predicted it much earlier than you did.)

[strange grove]

do you want a trophy

[plush nest]

Wait so that’s what those noises are? I thought they were just random machine noises

This might be a dumb kind of question but are there multiple prisoners doing missions around the complex other than us at a given time?

[burnt wren]

Yes, you even heard random far away shots I think

[raw terrace]

and some flavour text on some missions also like confirms it

like r6c3, in which ur a decoy for another group to do somethin in the meantime

[plush nest]

Oh that’s really cool actually. So are the random vent clanging noises part of that as well? Or are those some not so friendly things moving around

[burnt wren]

Could be either way really

For all we know it's Schaeffer himself

[tired sparrow]

Guys
Is ALT rundows
an alternate universe?

Have a hot discussion about it with some guys

[burnt wren]

Appears to be "yes", much to my shigrin

Events do not add up, names change, dates change...

We have a couple of logs pretty much directly spelling it out

[tired sparrow]

And what cause that?

[burnt wren]

Teleporters from R6 and onwards

We think they are flawed and accidentally keep sending people into parallel worlds somehow

The Matter Wave Projector thing, specifically.

[solemn kraken]

The clanging noises in R1D1? those are morse code from schaeffer

[rocky wraith]

Yeah? we figured this out ages back

MWP combines timelines in order to teleport, but in doing so makes everything fuckywucky

[young hedge]

has anyone shared the new logs yet?

[plush nest]

I have heard them in other levels, I think it sounds like noises in vents but it’s hard to describe, it sounds like some one breathing heavily mixed with metal clanging in the distance if that makes any sense

[solemn kraken]

Morse code

[plush nest]

Do we know what it says or no?

[burnt wren]

E S C A P E, I think

[plush nest]

I’ll have to see if I can find a recording of the sound

[ember bluff]

yeah, alt is definitely an alternate reality

[lilac island]

it would be epic if it was gtfo

[stone swift]

R5B3

There's an audio attachment but I didn't record

[burnt wren]

Fascinating. Who's saying it? No names in the text.

They're hinting at the outside influence. Either NATO expedition managed to reach the facility or... The lore writers finally decided to make it official - aliens did indeed hacked into biocom for shits and giggles.

[stone swift]

Just says "Voice 1" at the start. I didn't listen to it at all but I imagine it's someone random

[burnt wren]

But it wasn't Schaeffer?

Then again Schaeffer wouldn't know jackshit...

[ember bluff]

I want to go run more to see things...but 6am...I gotta sleep sometime

[burnt wren]

He's a handyman, not a programmer.

[stone swift]

R5A1

[stone swift]

I don't know that it wasn't, but I'd think it'd say Schaeffer if it was

[harsh saffron]

That's indeed Schaeffer, just listened to it

[stone swift]

Ah ok, thanks @harsh saffron

[solar nova]

Old btw.

[stone swift]

R5A1 2nd Log

[burnt wren]

Wha~
How would he know?
Like, really, HOW WOULD HE KNOW.
Is this BEFORE he got KSO'd or after? I can sort of understand before, but AFTER? He lost like half his memories, he's in no position to give us straight up lore dumps like this

Is he just spending all his free time reading logs down there? Is he like the apex lore enthusiast, only in-universe?

It could be literally anyone else to do this loredump and they chose him. I'm at a loss.

[harsh pike]

they don't have a lot of voice acted characters I guess

[finite vine]

thats what I thought initially, sounds like someone or something (like a human or an alien) is controlling "The Warden" and telling it what to do. The program WRDN is simply the tool used by some greater entity to control BIOCOM so that entity can have unrestricted access to the complex and its resources.

[finite vine]

well he obviously has access to the WRDN code

somehow

[burnt wren]

then why the fuck did he wake up Henrikson

if this is kind of knowledge and understanding he has - he's a one man swiss knife

[finite vine]

well probably because he didnt know enough to make a trojan. it was his idea, he just needed an expert to carry it out.

[burnt wren]

I'm just... I'm not getting a code-verse person vibe from him.

Although we do know that one log of him somehow "tapping" into KOVAC security lines.

Hm.

[finite vine]

hes an engineer right?

[burnt wren]

Sort of

But engineers are not IT specialists

[finite vine]

I mean some are. computer engineers, software engineers, etc

[burnt wren]

They know how to make a good lever

[stone swift]

Software engineers write code
Source: am a software engineer

[burnt wren]

software engineer

not the guy in a hard-hat standing in front of a crater with a blueprint in his hands

[stone swift]

Did it ever specify what type of engineer he is?

[burnt wren]

He was a pit boss

[stone swift]

Ah