gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

People like Artek, Beanz, Punk, Skyrope, and others are also fantastic people to ask if you have questions

[strange grove]

me when im not a fantastic person 😦

[eternal talon]

among others

[lost drum]

Apologize for the awkward wording, I'm not an English-speaking player) But I hope I write everything clearly.

[strange grove]

i dont wanna be impotor

[plush nest]

This might be a dumb questions, but is henrickkson a real person or an AI sort of deal

[eternal talon]

He is a real person

[strange grove]

henrickkson is confirmed as a chimp as of 2006

[plush nest]

Ok thats what i thought but i thought i heard someone mention that he might be an AI or something

[eternal talon]

This game didn't even come out until 2019

[strange grove]

i played the dev build

[plush nest]

I assume vent man found him in an HSU?

[eternal talon]

Schaeffer was originally a normal worker for SMC, completely unrelated to Kovac and the legion program

He followed KSOs down to KDS-DEEP and sleepers were everywhere. He locked the doors to the vault so they couldn't get to him, but he couldn't get the doors back open again

[plush nest]

Yep i knew that

[eternal talon]

He waited in there for like a week before getting in an HSU, not wanting to starve to death

He found both Maddox and henrikkson in hsus

He fucked up waking Maddox and his brain melted in his skull,

[plush nest]

maddox got yoinked

or his body did

[eternal talon]

He got the hydrokinetic fluid collection case and woke henrikkson propperly

[lost drum]

By the way, I like Schaeffer as a character. He's been through too much crap, he's naturally a little "crazy. But he keeps looking for answers, and I respect that. Huge kudos to the actor who voiced him.

[eternal talon]

He had a rough home life aswell, even before the apocalypse

[graceful frost]

https://i.imgur.com/cULN0cD.png

[eternal talon]

Cool inspect element

[graceful frost]

????

literally just google it?

[eternal talon]

Mods really don't check mod mail, do they

[graceful frost]

what

[eternal talon]

It's been like a week. Left on read

Biggest oof

[strange grove]

did you send them chimp theory

[graceful frost]

probably cause you keep sending them false reports

[lost drum]

Does your theory mention KOVAC and BLACK MESA competition?)

[strange grove]

yes

[lost drum]

😄

Black mesa in a parallel universe must have accidentally opened a portal to the alien world of GTFO)

Crossover of the Year

[strange grove]

yea its crazy that more people aren't talking about this

[lost drum]

By the time they realize you were right, it will be too late.)

[strange grove]

they keep trying to silence me

[lost drum]

Geniuses are never recognized by society

[strange grove]

thats why i have become the joker

[lost drum]

That's what you should know. Is there a real Warden in this discord?

@native shell

[verbal hull]

dead

[strange grove]

game

[verbal hull]

real

get on

[strange grove]

no i only play cyber heist

[fossil kernel]

man i remember back on 06

the gtfo leaks

there was a file a weird file with the chmp extension

[fossil kernel]

my uncle worked on 10chambers on 1996 to 2014

gtfo was supposed to be a MMO back then

[strange grove]

crazy how all these zoomers think it came out in 2019

[fossil kernel]

smh my head

funnis aside

i think i have a very short theory about those crystals we encounter

in real life

there is a kind of crystal that forms itself on dead bodies

its called vivianite

now in game

maybe in the game those crystals are the results of biomass maybe?

like they are kinda similar to the chargers and tank growths

maybe they are the results on long dead alien sleepers

but idk

maybe this is just a schizo moment of mine

also

do sleepers eat with their mouths or with their tongues?

now this is a real question

[harsh pike]

their tongues seem to originate from their assholes so honestly good question

it could be a direct tube

in and out

[lost drum]

I have a hunch about that. Perhaps the alien world (Desert, I'll call it Alpha. Cue the correct name), is a parallel universe just like ALT:/RUNDOWN. We first got to Alpha in R6, and after that R7 came out, where the Rundown re-releases began. I understand that it all comes down to gameplay convention, where the developers tried to plot the return of the previous missions. But it seems to me that going to Alpha, you might not go back to your universe. Because of the disconnect between realities, it blends in. Varden somehow knew about the parallel universes beforehand, based on the Alt:/Rundown 1 logs, so it's probably his fault. I definitely saw mention in the Alpha time travel logs, maybe Varden is looking for new ways to interact with that environment.

This leads to the crazy theory that Warden is a Biocom from a parallel future)

Who, given his previous mistakes, wants to make things right. If he can send "knowledge" to his Biocom in the past, he has an infinite number of attempts.

It will be interesting to read your thoughts on this

[eternal talon]

It is. The planet destination is in an alternative worldline to our own. We know this because the fundamentals of time work differently there. It is 85x faster

It is located in the butterfly nebula, 3k light years away, also

[lost drum]

Probably a silly question that has a simple answer, I just hadn't thought about it before. Why aren't Schaeffer, Dauda, Bishop, and the rest exposed to the virus?

[eternal talon]

Our squad are constantly exposed. We routinely enter hydrostasis between missions however, which seems to clean us of it preventing it from killing us outright.

Schaeffer -- it's one of the many many plot holes surrounding him. He should have died from it years ago

[lost drum]

Could he be the one with the immunity? Maybe that's why Warden isn't particularly interested in killing him, but instead deliberately ignores him

[eternal talon]

According to the world health organization, there is no natural immunity, but we simply don't know

[lost drum]

Studying the GTFO lore with more zeal than the real story

[eternal talon]

It is indeed a mountain

[lost drum]

I'm really excited about Rundown 8. It's hard to live up to anyone's expectations. The developers have stated that they will finish the story. I'm sure it will be awesome

I hope they have enough resources to finish GTFO nicely

[eternal talon]

We will see. Personally, I have absolutely no idea what to expect with it.

Suppose I'd have to see where they take alt//r4,r5,r6 since those were very lore heavy in their originals

[lost drum]

The best advertisement for a future product is a cool ending to a previous one.

[eternal talon]

Well they already announced and supposedly started development on it back during gamescom

It's supposed to be another heist game, like payday

[lost drum]

Only in a techno style or something like that.

Hardly any studio could make such a unique game as GTFO. Investors and publishers don't like creativity

[eternal talon]

Its why I almost exclusively play indie games. 11 bit studios is my fav tho

Tons of classics like TWoM and Frostpunk

[lost drum]

I wonder if the 10 chambers will ever return to GTFO 2 in the future.

😄

[eternal talon]

I can't say.

[lost drum]

I hope GTFO 2 will not be implemented in real life)

[eternal talon]

That would be... the farthest thing from good possible

[strange grove]

stay tuned for cyberheist

[eternal talon]

it doesn't have an official name yet, does it???

[strange grove]

im pretty sure its cyberheist

didn't some people find files with names relating to that when alt r2 came out?

[eternal talon]

i dont know where to even go to find out

[eternal talon]

no idea

[strange grove]

just check the mono

[eternal talon]

mono?

[strange grove]

mono build

[eternal talon]

im on their twitter page rn

idk what a 'mono build' is

[strange grove]

all unity games have a mono build

basically lets you see all the good stuff

can be difficult to get a hold of

[eternal talon]

like datamining? i dont think we are supposed to talk about that kinda stuff here

i know the wiki team can do it for archiving purposes

but not for any of the other channels afik

[strange grove]

ive seen people talk about datamined stats in prettymuch every channel so idk

seems like they dont mind

[eternal talon]

weapon stats maybe, but those are also posted on the wiki for all to see. stuff like unreleased content and certainly stuff from unrelated projects i doubt would qualify

even i've talked about cut content before, but i have no clue the source for stuff relating to their other project

most i do is work on a total overhaul mod, and thats datablocks exclusive

[strange grove]

lets do an experiment then

[eternal talon]

so i'm not familiar with unity or any of that

[strange grove]

ill leave this here and see if i get banned

[eternal talon]

i'm sorry wtf

[strange grove]

what

[eternal talon]

why would you even risk that if true

[strange grove]

uh

i havent figured that part out yet

ill get back to you

[finite vine]

damn a flamethrower would be awesome

there is so much unfinished or unreleased content that u can see by datamining, even things from the pre alpha versions of gtfo. makes me question why all that stuff was abandoned, a lot of those old mechanics seemed really cool

[finite vine]

is this from a recent build of GTFO?

[strange grove]

eh, recent-ish

i have no doubts that its still in the files tho

[harsh pike]

Honestly that's how they should end the ||immortal||. just trap it in an incinerator / use a giant mounted flamethrower the complex has for some reason

[fossil kernel]

you think it would return?

[harsh pike]

nah, i'd like to see that be the proper sendoff

just melt it

in r8 presumably if thats what you meant

[fossil kernel]

it should be thrown off to the pit we arrive in

just let it fall deeper into the complex

but we melting it would be a good sendoff too

[clear furnace]

Would you guys say that the kracken is part of higher echelons of the hive mind?

[eternal talon]

we cannot know, but if i had to guess, it would be yes, given in gameplay it serves as sort of an aircraft carrier for the floaters

[fossil kernel]

the hive mind thing still exists?

[plush nest]

It would be neat if they did it in a metal refinery sort of area

It would also kinda make sense

[lost drum]

I think the immortal will be the boss of one of the levels, but not the final. I imagine the final battle is at the very bottom of Garganta, in that very meteorite, the alien ship. Epic isn't about GTFO, but I think we need something like that to make it happen

[dusky canopy]

it has its own horde roar announcements so seems likely.

[lost drum]

He even has sleeping sounds. So he can appear in this form, too) It's fun)

[lost drum]

Who knows who the Art that Schaeffer referred to in the TLK-WRL-295 log (Garganta is overrun)?

[harsh saffron]

Artus Charapon, a Systems Engineer and Schaeffers friend.

[heavy lynx]

imortal isnt techniclly a boss, he is just a sad man that have a curse that cant be killed and he just want to find some friend

but his way of making friend are stupid

but still, ya know we still go on a date with tha man

the wiki count immortal as a boss enmy, but i dont count him as boss because he is intended to not be killed and to be annoying

[burnt wren]

The Line between boss, miniboss and environmental hazard is very thin.

He's definetely not an average enemy. Miniboss at least.

Just the kind of boss that's not meant to be defeated.

[lost drum]

I don't think he's one of a kind.

[plush nest]

So by that definition would he be under the same category as a spitter? As just a stage hazard ?

Also I wonder if the warden knows about him and all the other mini bosses

[pastel ether]

I suppose that the immortal does have the 'oh god oh fuck it's that guy' factor that spitters don't have.

[plush nest]

Ya I don’t think he belongs in the same category as spitters for a stage hazard

[heavy lynx]

i dont call that oh god oh fuck its that guy

i would call it 'do we have to baby sit again'

[pastel ether]

well yeah you're going 'oh god oh fuck it's this thing again'

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-resident-evil-smirk-dead-by-daylight-dbd-gif-26381672

[heavy lynx]

its not a stage hazard bc its can move, its just pablo was born to be the guy that need someone to go on a date with

[heavy lynx]

its more of a ah shit, here we go again

[limpid elk]

As a person whos working as an intern at a software development company

sometimes its just hard to do it

so we give up and do something else

or they just do it and do it half assedly

or it could be a number of reasons, like balance, power creep, lack of skill, shifting priorities

[kindred cedar]

even just like an incendiary grenade pickup would be cool as well, see how the enemies react to fire

[harsh pike]

they're pretty stupid so i imagine they'd run headfirst into it

[dreamy field]

DBD reference

[finite vine]

yea it was probably to ambitious, they were a really small team back then

[lost drum]

NAM-V destroyed humanity. He just killed them? As far as I know, there is not a single mention of sleepers on the surface

Why is it only in Garganta that a virus turns people into sleepers

[eternal talon]

It doesn't. Sleepers are created via the parasite, in conjunction with the virus. -- in our original universe, only the virus got out, not the parasite. So everybody dead, but not turned into monsters

[eternal talon]

In the alt// universe there are indeed sleepers on the surface. We have direct logs mentioning them in the carribbean

[lost drum]

In one log, a scientist says that the parasite increases contagion. What's the point if it's only used underground?

The virus was contagious just on the surface. So the parasite was involved, wasn't it?

[eternal talon]

Oh boy. I highly highly recommend reading the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel. It seems you have been seriously misinformed

We didn't make the virus, or the parasite. We found them in an alien spacecraft deep underground. People got infected and it eventually made itself to the surface. The place was sealed before the parasite could get out, but it was already too late for the virus

It got into the Atlantic and went north, first infecting Florida and later texas

[lost drum]

Can you please tell me which log says that the parasite was sealed?

[eternal talon]

No I cannot, specifically because it no longer matters since we are no longer in our original universe where it was, and in our original universe it was only heavily implied, like 95% of the rest of this game's lore. We didn't even have evidence for the allens besides a single sandstone ruin until r7

In the alt// universe it did get out

[lost drum]

Wow. Looks like there's a lot more to come

[eternal talon]

By this I mean "hard" "concrete" "verbatim" evidence. Basically nothing in this game's lore is ever spelled out directly and we are left to make assumptions based on evidence and other things we see and do in-game

In regards to the place being sealed, the best I could give you would be the updated security protocols KOVAC log and the log regarding an employee being eaten alive because all the doors were sealed by the warden

But nothing explicit beyond that

[eternal talon]

Also who do you mean "he" in this question? The warden?

[lost drum]

I meant virus) I'm sorry, English is not my first language)

But wait. If there are sleepers on the surface in the alternate universe, it could be a hint of a new location. Isn't it?)

Otherwise, why would the developers make such a serious retcon. Or don't they know what they're doing?

[eternal talon]

its not a retcon... its just different

like, there are canonically two bishops now

everything is fucked

two different universes have merged. ours, and alt//s. alt//'s was just slower than our own, so while we were in r7, they were just getting to r1. its how we did the old rundowns again

we are doing the old rundowns AFTER r7

they arent what we did before, well, they are, but not

do you get what i mean?

[lost drum]

Yes, I understand. I read about it in the logs, where the man recalls events from a parallel world

The events are similar, but different in detail

In Rundown 3, there is a log where a person sends a report. In alt//Rundown 3, the person says that he already sent the report, but it didn't come for some reason. He remembers events from the old Rundown 3

I think there's another world involved. We violated the space-time continuum. It's gotten worse, but maybe we can use it to roll it back

I don't know what else 10 chambers has the resources to do. I don't think they can integrate the lore into the gameplay. It's just gonna stay out of the game

Or maybe not. Rundown 8 will show

[harsh pike]

alt rundowns are canonically different?

I just assumed it was them 'updating' the lore

[eternal talon]

correct

[harsh pike]

Do the logs talk about this

[eternal talon]

Yes

This one is explicit in fact, with many many logs from the ult// rundowns being directly contradictory and mentioning characters having strange memories that they know are false. And there are also logs directly pointing at it, with the one describing the ef01 crew finding two of bishop's masks, despite only one ever being made for him.

[lost drum]

It's funny, they actually gave us a second Bishop mask as a reward.)

[plush nest]

do we know what object was flung out of the complex that makes the giant hole that we go down and up in?

or was it just an explosion from someone on the lower levels messing up something

[burnt wren]

The lore are not super clear on that, but supposedly it was a beam of raw energy

So basically either a very focused explosion or... A beam cannon.

[strange grove]

if you read the secret logs, you will find that the chimps did it

[cunning kayak]

What secret logs? From Santonian web site?

I just realized that original Rundowns and ALT:// has time difference, so i have a question - now devs replacing original Rundowns with ALT://, but will be there a way to go through original Rundowns?

[burnt wren]

No. Not dev approved anyway.

All the originals exists as mods, but modding play is not allowed on the official server.

Also ignore R2D1, he just loves his chimps.

[solemn kraken]

All the originals just exist. No mods. Why do people still think you need to mod

[cunning kayak]

Then I got confused (or I have a misunderstanding of the lore / lack of information). There are currently three alternate rundowns in the game and 4 (5 if rundown 008 comes out) of the original ones. If the space-time continuum breaking theory is correct, and the events of the original rundowns happened earlier than the events of the alternate ones, then how can players who started playing recently (for example, I started playing in February 2023, literally before the release of ALT://Rundown 3) guess about it? I'm just crazy about the lore of the game and voraciously read the logs, sometimes endangering the task, haha!

[lost drum]

I've heard it said that at the end of R7E1 we don't evacuate as usual (because Warden is hacked), but go down deeper. R7E1 is at ~1411 depth, and Schaeffer's target is at 1500, which means we are very close. Is this true?

[solemn kraken]

Hmm haven't paid attention to it.

would have to go back

[solar nova]

Based on what? It's a normal forward extract.

There's no animation associated with it.

[eternal talon]

That's the thing. -- you can't. They've done this before Aswell, with a log they sent out as an email, and pre-release logs on the santonian website that aren't in-game

Not to mention all the ciphered logs that took days to weeks to crack that would be nigh impossible to do so solo

I'm talking multiple layers of encryption stacked ontop of eachother

[cunning kayak]

Is there a way to get this email? I joined ambassador program only after alt r3 was released

[eternal talon]

No.

Only through people that received it way back then and archived it

It's on the wiki me thinks, otherwise I have it on my pc and I can post it

There are a few people like myself and the wiki team that have been here for years, archiving and dealing with the lore

Also, if your new to the lore, I'd recommend reading the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel if you haven't already. It is a summary of all pre-apocalypse lore

(From our original worldline anyway) but not much is different other than dates and some SIGNIFICANT details during the apocalypse, like in alt//, sleepers managed to get to the surface

[eternal talon]

We have no information to confirm nor deny, but I agree with Rayalot here. The extraction itself is standardized -- there is only even one extraction tile in the entirety of each tileset afik

Well, there is also the KDS-Deep extraction tile for the mining set, but that's a customtile that isn't included in the defaults

[cunning kayak]

So far I've read logs of original rundowns (not including r7 logs yet) and alt 1-3

[eternal talon]

here is that email btw https://www.santonianindustries.com/intranet/services/export/db453x913/go/hash=9j3G!j-M!ozjMuFCqp.JZdtYoha4sQNtqk6mX_bR64eZCvVvtgU8HZ4@C2fNJm!bpyKQd3iwgwnmTw6dqgXER!ntQUYDhquvGXPe

[eternal talon]

then i'd reccomend reading it.

[cunning kayak]

Hm, i saw that document - both of them, with blackened text and clean

[eternal talon]

they are different

fundamentally. read both at once.

its two different timelines

even basic details about him that are visible are different

[cunning kayak]

Thank you! Will do it

[eternal talon]

like in one doc, he has zero criminal history

but anyway, in regards to the for dummies doc, it covers things very very difficult to pick out by just reading the logs individually, like the ancient *allens

(no that isnt a joke)

[strange grove]

the chimp logs from the gtfo dev alpha test

[austere depot]

Not different timelines, I think. Clinton almost got in trouble for hiring Schaeffer against the wishes of his superiors.
The first resume you posted is a fake, the latter the real one and both from the main timeline (before the alts).

[plush nest]

Who is Schaffer after ? I feel like I missed an important detail or is he after the warden ?

[lost drum]

Schaeffer always called for going deeper. The lowest point of the Complex is 1500 meters. R7E1 is at ~1411. He probably thinks it is the key to defeating Warden and the way to freedom. According to the lore there is a meteorite, an alien spaceship

[clear furnace]

R7E1 is the deepest level?

[finite vine]

the holes were created from a very high energy beam. the beam contained so much energy, that it heated up the matter (rocks and dirt and stuff) to such a high temperature that the matter was broken down into its most basic elementary particles, which is a form of matter called quark-gluon plasma. right after the big bang, all matter in the universe was in the form of quark-gluon plasma, so the beam must have been really hot lmao.

[plush nest]

wait, holes? like plural? there was multiple of these events?

[eternal talon]

Shotgun, not mini-gun

[plush nest]

Ah that makes more sense

[cold sphinx]

Woah thats coooool where can i look for more?

[eternal talon]

You can't. They only sent the one

[floral imp]

I have a question

In the R1D1 mission at the end the computer goes crazy

[burnt wren]

What was that mission again...

[floral imp]

Does that mean that that cursed computer and the AI that speak to us in the game are evil?

"Deeper"

[burnt wren]

The Warden is presumably an AI, but we can't call it evil yet.

It has little value for lives of its' operatives, but that's expected of emotionless AI, it just tried to get things done.

[floral imp]

I see

What about the sleepers on that level

After you put the code they turn into some kind of shadows

Are they demons?

[raw terrace]

um no

in a simple way
mutations of the sleepers, like the r1c2 enemies

[floral imp]

Ok

But

[raw terrace]

aham?

[floral imp]

when these mutated you could see the terrain from his shadow a little

[burnt wren]

Shadows are a lore problem currently

[floral imp]

I mean they are transparent

[burnt wren]

We have no idea how they work

Sleepers are mutants from a virus, nothing magical happening here.

[raw terrace]

i mean considerin how chargers just have a
ceiling
specialized from them
idk alien stuff for both

[raw terrace]

also i dont get that first statement tbh

sorry

[burnt wren]

However we are currently experiencing influx of lore about parallel dimensions and other multiverse bullshit.

There is a theory that shadow ones are stuck between dimensions.

[floral imp]

Oh crap

[raw terrace]

um thats an interesting idea

[floral imp]

"That's the sound of death coming for us"

Another thing that drives me crazy is because they are always in a position to pray.

Except the scout

[raw terrace]

i kinda like thinkin that they r coverin their not face :]c
but thats probs just the way they r most comfy in, resting the face on the hand, thats why they dont have fingers
also the shooters arent in that position so

funky

[floral imp]

How they create that misiles they launch

I think those before they became sleepers had ammo in them

[raw terrace]

i actually never thought about that
im not a lore person i just know the basics
someone with more knowledge can answer u probs

[clear furnace]

I don' think its ever explained. I don't think anything about the biology of the sleepers is actually talked about.

[strange grove]

the sleepers are actually aliens

[clear furnace]

Sleepers are just mutated humans, the only aliens we know of right now are the flyers and the kraken

[strange grove]

No they came down on a big rock look it up

[finite vine]

yea there are multiple. we drop down multiple shafts for the expeditions we do, not just one.

[bleak trench]

I had always assumed it was one centralised shaft, you mean there's dozens dotted around the complex?

[finite vine]

yea, from previous logs it has been stated that there are multiple shafts that lead to the surface.

however, what I said about the fact that we drop from multiple shafts is not 100% proven as a fact through logs or emails etc, it just makes sense. it is unlikely that we are accessing all these places from just one shaft.

but yes it is a fact that there are multiple shafts.

[eternal talon]

Also the allens

[plush nest]

I guess that would make sense given forward extracts and such

[eternal talon]

Technically, some sleepers were originally humans, but not all of them. There likely were some sleepers (allen or otherwise) already AFK in the inner, waiting, when santonian started digging in there

The kraken and the floaters were native lifeforms on the planet destination

[finite vine]

oh yea honestly forgot about that. yea that observation really sets it in stone that there are multiple drop shafts.

[plush nest]

And it would make sense for the warden to drop us as close to the objective as possible

[eternal talon]

Don't forget the shafts you sometimes walk past during levels that you don't directly drop down, or ones clogged with charger biomass Ala r7e1

[finite vine]

yea, there are shafts that do not completely go to the surface

shafts of different sizes also

[eternal talon]

There are fuckin hundreds of them

[plush nest]

That’s the goopy stuff on the roof right? I thought that was their nest of sorts

[eternal talon]

Basically everywhere in the complex

[eternal talon]

It seems to be related almost exclusively to chargers, though we don't know explicitly what it is or what it does for them

[plush nest]

I have always called them nests or some sort of hive since they kinda look like one

Do the devs already know where they want to go with the lore or are they still making it as they go ?

[raw terrace]

with these types of game that evolve as they go is always the second one

[eternal talon]

But yeah, I can't be as responsive right now because I'm at work, but if you'd like to dig into the lore deeper, you can always read the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel

[scenic wagon]

@lilac island

[loud urchin]

what can you tell me about cornell industries

[raw terrace]

idk but it sounds pretty corny AHAHAHA
sorry

[loud urchin]

other than the fact that their logo is plastered on a bulkhead door

[lost drum]

A little reasoning about the Immortal. He appears after we hacked the Warden. And the last time he appears behind Warden's door, which opens itself. This means Warden deliberately sent him to us to stop us. From this it follows that perhaps the Immortal is Warden's own modification. He somehow strengthened the tank. Another detail, the training level has an anti-hacker system that unleashes a wave of tanks. So Warden can somehow control the mobs. Most likely the same chips that Schaeffer extracted from himself. Warden created chips for a small army of tanks, and can control them, and even experiment on some, that's how immortal came about. Well that's my theory

[harsh pike]

Even if the warden could do that, it was borderline nonfunctioning by the time we descended into Chaos so I dunno

I get the theory the immortal is just the end of the line in their evolution

no idea how it ended up in there, I dunno if 10chambers knows either though

[raw terrace]

at the end its weird the warden tries to kill us with an enemy instead of like
not allowing extraction

which would be way more easy

or just shuttin down the HSU

[lost drum]

I don't think we go back to cryosleep at the end. We go down deeper. R7E1 is the deepest, 1,411 meters. Schaeffer's target is at a depth of 1500. We're too close

Or, Schaeffer has already made sure to save us. He can control the transport system. He stopped the descent, so we got to R7D2

[raw terrace]

ah well i guess thats true

idk maybe r8 clears it up but would be weird of the warden to
control sleepers like that too

cause it just meants it could control them before

so idk i guess we do some diversion n stuff but never just like puttin enemies in specific rooms

[clear furnace]

Well it can trigger alarms if it wanted to. So probably not directly but indirectly

[lost drum]

Perhaps he always had a small army in reserve. He just never had a chance to use them.

[clear furnace]

Wait don't we have that fucking bomb strapped to our face

why not just use that

[lost drum]

Schaeffer probably took care of it

Another question is why in R7A1 Schaeffer's request is reflected in our HUD

This is only possible if Schaeffer's request is approved by Warden

Maybe it's just a game convention so we can see the current task. But that would be too simple and dumb.

[clear furnace]

Maybe cause the warden sees that in order to progress we need to do what schaeffer asks of us

[lost drum]

Very much looking forward to the return of Runodwn 6 and the release of Rundown 8. I really hope they do it this year

[raw terrace]

um
good on u for the faith

[eternal talon]

literally never heard of it. mind if i ask where this picture is from?

[loud urchin]

r5a3 extreme bulkhead door

[eternal talon]

this is complete nonsense that was generated seemingly out of thin air by the youtuber Bricky during their review of GTFO. Nothing of the sort exists in-game or in-lore.

[eternal talon]

so, modded then

[loud urchin]

not modded, old rundown

[eternal talon]

or old old pic

[loud urchin]

yea, "old" pic

[clear furnace]

Gotcha

Better that way

[mortal pivot]

I see this repeated so often and always wondered where it came from

[lilac island]

so like whats the story

[eternal talon]

For dummies doc in the pins of this channel explains the lore before the game takes place

[lilac island]

what if youre to stupid for that
asking for a friend

[eternal talon]

You only have three options.

1: Play the game and go log hunting (for only 1/3rd of all of the lore because the rest is unnacessable in-game currently)

2: read and listen to all 200+ logs on the wiki over the course of a weekend or two

3: read the "for dummies" document and be done in less than 10 minutes.

There is a reason why this document exists. The lore is fucking hell to learn if you are new.

[lilac island]

theres in game logs?

[raw terrace]

someone never put "commands" on a terminal >w>

[burnt wren]

The be fair half the terminals only contain the generic autogen log.

Hell, more than half.

Like 75%

And those few that do contain lore are hidden in the deepest cravases of a hybrid's ass

Being a GTFO lore enthusiast is a dirty, thankless job

[harsh saffron]

Except R6 where I was wondering if there were any terminals without lore in the early levels ^^

[loud urchin]

@eternal talon I think cornell industries does light fixtures, managed to get another look at a small bulkhead door

Mystery solved

Its the light bulb man

[strange grove]

I think that’s the company that 10ccp outsourced making secondary objectives to

[loud urchin]

if that is true, then why is there a cornell industries™️ light fixture on the r4e1 high bulkhead door sir R2D1: Statistics

[eternal talon]

Because he is only here to troll, not help people and the mods ignore it

[harsh pike]

cornell industries is responsible for the buttplugs the prisoners wear

keeps the infection out

[peak quail]

Do y'all think giants are infected Paul Blart Mall Cops?

And if so, why are there no segways in the facility? 🤔

[harsh pike]

they were scrapped down for materials to create the useless hallways that go nowhere

[finite vine]

lmao

[harsh pike]

canon

[raw terrace]

good for me and my gayness

[rocky wraith]

What bomb?

[final sentinel]

Bricky misinforming people

[rocky wraith]

Thought so

I have yet to see a youtuber put out accurate lore about this game

Tho tbf the effort needed to produce a detailed explanation would be massive

Hype for ALT R4

[clear furnace]

Really excited to see how they tweaked things

[eternal talon]

like reading the for dummies doc?

there are experts in here every day. you could get a solid script by just talking in here.

[rocky wraith]

Doesn't have subway surfer playing underneath to keep my fragile attention span

[rocky wraith]

If only they would

[eternal talon]

some people dont know how to get to the pins on discord i've noticed. its astonishing

i doubt many know the community resources exist

[rocky wraith]

tbf this is the only channel I have ever actually used the pinned button on

[eternal talon]

i mean true, but how many channels do you visit that their purpose is being an encyclopedia?

[rocky wraith]

wikipedia.com

[eternal talon]

thats not a discord channel

[rocky wraith]

:3

[eternal talon]

and to be equally fair, i've not noticed a single indie game community discord that has as insane of a dedicated lore research team.

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

[rocky wraith]

true

GTFO is unique in this sense afaik

[eternal talon]

most of the time they are just small talk channels since the lore is easier to understand and follow

gtfo makes you work for it

and in turn, creates maniacs like us

that write MLA format essays on it

lmao

[rocky wraith]

XP time to make another white boy video essay on an obscure game

[eternal talon]

and then people wonder what the lore of this game is, left only with consulting the cult in #gtfo-lore

it makes community resources not a helpful tool, it makes them mandatory

[solar nova]

An in-game collection would be nice, at least the website exists.

[eternal talon]

(especially since original r1-6 deleted AND the email log AND the santonain website logs AND the encoded/ciphered logs)

one person trying to learn the lore by themselves wouldnt have the patience or perhaps even the ability to crack some of the logs we did

i mean the coordinates to destination alone was literally multi-layered encryption ontop of star chart data

who the hell at 10cc has the time to make all of these

its like an ARG

[solar nova]

Still need to decode alien log.

[eternal talon]

yeah, that one we've had since alt//r2 is still unsolved

or was it alt//r1

[solar nova]

R1

[eternal talon]

even longer then

[strange grove]

man that zombie log was wild too

[eternal talon]

please. stop. spreading. nonsense.

sleepers are NOT ZOMBIES in any way shape or form.

every aspect of them are still alive (as horrifying as that is)

[strange grove]

why are they referenced as zombies in the mono build then

riddle me this, batman

[eternal talon]

i dont have to. because even if true, stuff in the code but not in game is NOT CANON

[strange grove]

what kind of other creature could survive without its head?

only a zombie

[eternal talon]

have you played resident evil 4?

[strange grove]

no

i onl play gtfo

and i even quit that

[eternal talon]

the humans that are infected are "still alive"

their bodies are anyway,

being puppeted by the parasite

they dont need their heads because the brain is unnecessary

its vestigial at best, the meat suits are a form of locomotion

[strange grove]

exactly, they don't have brains, hence them wanting brains. And what other creature will attack any human just to get some sweet sweet brains? Zombies

[eternal talon]

oh my fucking god

you are killing my brain cells

[sudden quarry]

are u a zombie, frostty?

[strange grove]

maybe you'll become a zombie

[eternal talon]

realistically, probably a dhampir. i am more pale than an eskimo in winter

[strange grove]

wow now you're using the e word

[eternal talon]

the e word is estrogen

[strange grove]

why won't you think of the zombies' feelings

they just wanna be included

[winter meadow]

All I know is those scouts have ruined many a stealth for my clumsy ass

[loud urchin]

that's oestrogen to you

[clever niche]

I prefer phytoestrogen

[burnt wren]

You really like chaos, don't you.

[versed bronze]

no, he likes statistics

[strange grove]

i am normal

[burnt wren]

No.

[strange grove]

you all are the crazy ones

[burnt wren]

Have you seen your avatar? It's one of the most unhinged ones around here.

[strange grove]

no more unhinged than the hordes of zombies in my favorite game, GTFO

[burnt wren]

Exactly as unhinged.

[strange grove]

perhaps

[fossil kernel]

THE POWER OF STROGEN

AT THE PALMS OF MY HAND

*nukes a country with a estrogen nuclear bomb

[fossil kernel]

You dumdum they arent zombies

They are worms

[strange grove]

stfu yes they are

[fossil kernel]

Fuck off

Theyre worms

[fossil kernel]

I prefer stroyent

[fossil kernel]

My dear

Worms dont have brains

[strange grove]

dumbass

[harsh pike]

to the sleepers tongues originate from their asshole?

[burnt wren]

No.

[strange grove]

Yes.

[harsh pike]

i mean you can blow their head off, blow their chest out, and the tongue still comes

so I think it's a valid theory

[strange grove]

I 100% believe you already

this is basically cannon

[raw terrace]

the two sides of people
no.
yes

[eternal talon]

Not when they also have their entire lower torso blown off

[harsh pike]

so it comes from the soul

[raw terrace]

comes from their determination

[eternal talon]

God knows what the tongue is, but I highly doubt it is the parasite(s) themselves.

It is described as each host having many individual parasites

So they have to be quite small comparatively

Most likely attatched to the spinal column, since without the brain, they still function, so it isn't the brian stem

Your opinion @rocky wraith ?

What's the most efficient way to meat puppet without the brain stem?

[strange grove]

it's be pretty easy if it made them into zombies

[eternal talon]

<@&408548765599793173> can we please have a designated serious time for a period of about two weeks after alt//r4 drops to gather and do proper research on the lore without misinformation being spread in here from people like R2D1 Statistics?

R4-R6 is when the lore started to get very dense originally, if I recall correctly

With r4 especially having our first "original worldline" introductions to schaeffer and I think our character introductions

[willow geyser]

SO TRUE, please get this guy out of here

[eternal talon]

(This is already in effect for #wiki-chat )

[strange grove]

(its not)

[sudden quarry]

Why don’t you go read some statistics, nerd

ur ruining my lore reading exercise

[strange grove]

fuck off c*nt

[sudden quarry]

wow that’s so rude

[eternal talon]

Language

[sudden quarry]

I’m telling beep

[strange grove]

rich from someone who said the e word

[queen gazelle]

you

should

go

to

bed

lol

[sudden quarry]

So true

Good night gtfo lore!!

[strange grove]

pleasepleaseplease dont tell beep

he will take away my xbox 360

[sudden quarry]

it’s too late

[strange grove]

its joever for me

[lost drum]

Get ready: Schaeffer is Doug Rattmann from Portal.

[loud urchin]

I can't wait for the terminal log in r4d1 overload where schaeffer and maddox have a debate on who the worst US president in history was

[eternal talon]

Why is there politics in my video game lore

If I wanted to be on reddit, I'd be on reddit

[eternal talon]

Honestly... that's a pretty apt comparison

Though he does gordon freeman his way around the complex canonically

[loud nova]

i’ll let the devs know about that suggestion. in the future though, please message the @ruby lake bot for suggestions

[loud nova]

keep it respectful too please

[eternal talon]

To be fair, I was left on read there for almost two weeks last time. The patch is in two days.

[raw terrace]

werent suggestions on calles dms or a email adress

i submitted suggestions to calles dms and he answered
jesus people gtfo server learn ur basics /lh

[cedar eagle]

Suggestions for the game go to [e-mail] and suggestions for the discord go to @ruby lake

[bleak trench]

so why is it always raining when we drop in?

[queen gazelle]

everything is political you cant get away from it.

[eternal talon]

Don't I know it

[fossil kernel]

fake news

my cousin is a worm

he dont have no brain

[fossil kernel]

dont go having high hopes

i dont think its gonna have much lore explanation

[sharp dawn]

So in a scale of 0 to 10 how fucked up is the surface in ALT ?

[raw terrace]

this are things that already happened on the og r4

schaeffer was introduced on r4

[eternal talon]

From puppies and rainbows to the pits of Tartarus, it is 173.

Earth will NEVER be habitable again

If it isn't already, it will slowly turn into the wasteland that is destination.

(Note: destination is NOT earth, it is a separate planet in the butterfly nebula 3k light years away)

[rocky wraith]

through the CNS central nervous system in the spinal cord, the tongue is probably the lower oesphagus that connects to the stomach

[rocky wraith]

Not in cruelty
Not in wrath
The reaper came today
An angel visited this grey path
And took the cube away

Not in love
Not in hate
The Warden came to voice
A pit boss visited this rundown
And gave us all a choice

Nothing more
Nothing less
The sleepers came to play
A babe born into deeper darkness
A fate too dark to say

Craving warmth
Craving light
Our horsemen run amok
Alarms are sounding sleepers waking
Hacker breaks the lock

[eternal talon]

What

OH SHIT

CHECK SANTONIAN WEBSITE FOR LOGS IN THE CORRUPTED FOLDER

I can't I'm at work

[loud urchin]

how do I do that

[rocky wraith]

2 logs

which one am I looking for?

[raw terrace]

read em both

like

it's only two

[raw terrace]

u search santonian website and it should
appear

[eternal talon]

Just post screenshots of them here please

Using a command prompt on android is hell

[rocky wraith]

oki!

Both I have read before

[eternal talon]

I literally just thought about the corrupted folder

[rocky wraith]

I'll screenshot as best I can

[eternal talon]

Fuckin' ell, I wonder how long they've been up for

That nobody cared to check and notice. Lel

[rocky wraith]

21B-789-RD4.LOG

[eternal talon]

We already have this one

[rocky wraith]

ye, I know

same with the other

might have to cross check ID's and dates stuff yanno

[eternal talon]

Ah then no new logs for it. Strange

Usually they put new ones in before every major update

[eternal talon]

Yep yep yep, the "it's either allens or its a Kovac secret" log

[rocky wraith]

All of it

98G-SDC-2WH.LOG

[lost drum]

Rundown: Release
New Logs: Release
Lore Experts:

[rocky wraith]

Mood

[eternal talon]

It's more scrambling like headless chickens to win the "lore race". A tradition held strong since r6 extended

[lost drum]

I personally prefer to open all the logs on my own with my friends

Only then do I go to the wiki

[eternal talon]

"May the person who screenshots all the logs first win" kinda game

Then this channel gets flooded with pngs of the same logs for 3 hours

[raw terrace]

hey guys look at this log

isnt it funny

[eternal talon]

Recently though I've been spending less time in the race and more time just sifting through everything everybody posts from it in here

[eternal talon]

We've known it was a gun since alt//r2

DESTROY THEM WITH LAZERS

[raw terrace]

i was makin a joke as in

this is the same screenshot that has just been posted

:]

[rocky wraith]

hang on a second

do they replace all the archive logs?

or do they get updated?

like

when a new rundown comes out, do the old ARCHIVE002/3/4/5/6/7 logs get replaced?

[eternal talon]

If you can find the date r6.5 came out and use the search function in here to go to the first lore hunt, you'll literally see an ocean of jpgs in strings of like 10 images at a time. It was crazy

[eternal talon]

On their website theyve been replacing them, yes

Another + for the wiki.

[rocky wraith]

cuz 002 has an audio log I swear only came out within the last 2 rundowns

[rocky wraith]

replacing them with new ones? or ones already in the game?

[eternal talon]

Replacing r3 logs with Alt//r3 logs and so forth

On the santonian industries website "archive"

Which isn't really archiving, is it

Another + for the ancient lore nerds in here

[rocky wraith]

hmm

SO

archive002 has been replaced with the new timeline stuff

in the audio

Truth guy says that he remembers the quake happening in March.

Archive003

log reads that the quake happened in April

Truth guy Believes beyond a shadow of a doubt that it happened in March not April

So did his memories change or the world?

[eternal talon]

Idk you tell me

[rocky wraith]

If it was just his memories, then the memory came and replaced the new realities one

[eternal talon]

We still don't know jack shit

About even merging world lines in the first place

[rocky wraith]

I think the world doesn't change

But memories do

Telepathy

"Telepathically convinced BIOCOM"

[eternal talon]

The world had to have, otherwise we wouldn't have mad max on the surface

[rocky wraith]

"Telepathically convinced BIOCOM"

[eternal talon]

Which... we have not the feightest idea about anything allen in terms of tech aside from the physics defying MWP

[eternal talon]

Doesn't change that the event was in the past

If all our memories were replaced in an instant that doesn't rewrite the past unless we are jumping lines

[rocky wraith]

Not everyones

Because Mrs Truth had to convince Mr Truth he was misremembering

[eternal talon]

Point still stands, the event happened and was recorded long LONG before r7

So... how could truth have their memories mixed?

That was also way long ago

He's probably dead now

He wouldn't be alive for whatever happened in-between r7 and alt//r1

And he certainly didn't record the log then

[rocky wraith]

Unless the MWP brought him back

[eternal talon]

MWP doesn't time travel though. Destination itself -- time works differently there. It's slower, yes, but it's still moving forwards

You can't use the mwp to go back to earth before when you jumped

[rocky wraith]

But there was a months difference in the events of the quake

what if the same thing happened here

[eternal talon]

What are you on about

[rocky wraith]

The quake in one reality happened in March, the other reality April

[eternal talon]

Him talking about the earthquake, before garganta was built, was long before Insight had the mwp

It's deep as fuck, underground, and still hooked up to whatever allen shit it was originally before Insight yoinked it

[rocky wraith]

But we only heard those logs after we started using the MWP

[eternal talon]

Yes, but it doesn't go backwards

[rocky wraith]

The memory logs didn't start appearing until we started hearing it

[eternal talon]

It's just slower

[rocky wraith]

We don't know that

[eternal talon]

It can't change what already happened unless it is also changing worldlines

[eternal talon]

We do, because the fundamentals of our universe don't allow for it.

If we merged or joined a different one, it could

[rocky wraith]

It might not be backwards but sideways, one reality might just be running slightly faster than the other in the scale of nanoseconds, but with the accumulation of reality when the worlds combine, one world could be months ahead of the other

[eternal talon]

We have no indication of any John Titor types in GTFO's story

[eternal talon]

Right, but when alt happens, after r7, is LONG AFTER ALL THE LOGS

[rocky wraith]

the memories begin back in R6 after we first grab the MWP

after we start using it then

R6D1, Shafers false memories appear

every jump, accumulating more false memories

maybe they don't stick out at first for some

but as the MWP is used more and more

more memories slip through until we see Truth having to grapple with suddenly realising he is out of sync with everyone else

[eternal talon]

Valid points

But it still doesn't prove that we are in the same worldline

We already did all this shit

The warden, already has access to kds deep

All the doors we opened and security we lifted before, is closed again

[rocky wraith]

Because we aren't in the same world

[eternal talon]

Even if the memories of the warden were fucky, why are all the security systems reset?

[eternal talon]

THATS WHAT I SAID

[rocky wraith]

Our memories have jumped

[eternal talon]

Ah, I see the disagreement now

In regards to that, we have *at least one point against it off the top of my head

And that is the double bishop helmet

[rocky wraith]

A piece of matter, not memory

hmm

[eternal talon]

Boss said it was unique to him and only one was commissioned

Probably serialed, is how they knew it was his in the first place

[rocky wraith]

which log or audio was this?

R7 or alt?

[eternal talon]

Also, hybrids as a part of r1c1

That wasn't there originally

[eternal talon]

Alt

[eternal talon]

And I think one of the levels had fog that it didn't before.

Or spitters

[rocky wraith]

oki set the sleepers aside for the moment as potentially sketchy due to reworking the levels to make them harder

[eternal talon]

Also, SCHAEFFER BANGING IN MORSE CODE IN ALT//D1

When he is supposed to be in the schaeffer discrepancy

[rocky wraith]

do we know it's shafer?

[eternal talon]

As either an active squad unit or in kds-deep, but certainly not fucking about

[eternal talon]

Don't remember exactly what it said, but iirc it is the exact same quote he told us much later on in our original worldline

To go deeper or some such

Besides, nobody else is alive down here. Who else would be bangin'

[rocky wraith]

What if both Shafer and the Mask are both artifacts and anomalies like the memories that got transferred as well

Our guys in ALT have been potentially hijacked by the memories and personalities of the group from R7E1

Like the timeline shifted sideways onto a slower timeline

So the sleepers and enemies get transferred across sideways as well every time, which gives evidence that they are growing between the timelines regardless of which timeline is running, like accumulating

Imma sleep

[rocky wraith]

Proud of my poem tho

dedicated to the one from Portal 1

[eternal talon]

I think that's reaching a bit. Might have cut yourself with occam's razor while shaving.

[rocky wraith]

When ALT R4 releases you’ll look on these words as those of a prophet

[eternal talon]

And I know that's grand coming from me, the proprietor of the allen theory that became the capstone of gtfo lore

When my theories were called nutty

[strange grove]

its okay, everyone calls me crazy for believing in cornhole theory

[plush nest]

I am sorry if this is in the more for dummies doc, but what are the artifacts in game for? Like lore wise

[fossil kernel]

oook now

so the garganta explosion was a weapon of some sorts

oh that is cool

and maybe biocom was being used/"conviced" by something

also

how the fuck was security losing against the sleepers?

this is not a lore related question

i just always wondered how

[raw terrace]

probs
lots of sleepers

like

lots

[eternal talon]

the artifacts are well, artifacts. Recovered from the inner by team insight, the warden wants us to collect them for "reasons". It clearly isnt that important since it is only a secondary objective that we do while doing other things and entirely optional, but the warden rewards us with boosters (basically drugs) and performance enhancers for collecting them

the artifacts themselves and the boosters are entirely separate.

and no, it isn't covered in the for dummies doc, so you are right to ask.

[eternal talon]

no. the explosion in 2053 was the result of an allen gun going off in the inner. nothing to do with humanity, other than it being heavily implied that hammerstein and his team triggered it by playing certain (unknown) frequencies of sound.

[eternal talon]

the warden, which is controlling biocom, is either an allen construct (ai), or it is a secret project created by Kovac and piros/other kovac executives were directly lying about its existence (like they did for other things) to santonian and insight staff.

[eternal talon]

their numbers are functionally infinite. as seen with the mothers and the respawn rooms, they use the biological functions of their host species to essentially pump out numbers. their individual intelligence is incredibly low, so they counteract this by drowning their foes in an ocean of bodies instead. eventually kovac just fucking ran out of ammo

[autumn crane]

are people still asleep in the HSU pods and the pods that are in the deep fog of biomass?

[eternal talon]

the hydrostasis units were exclusively designed for the legion program. One of the many primary side-effects of the HSUs is permanent memory loss. In total, there were 32,000 HSUs in garganta, 24,000 of which being sealed away in KDS-DEEP. Significantly less than the total workforce population of garganta. And of those that did have access, even fewer would actually use them to survive due to the side-effects. We only know of two people that were willing to enter hydrostasis, that being Schaeffer, and Dauda.

both being cornered with no other options. Dauda by a horde of sleepers breaking down the door to a dead-end zone, and Schaeffer spending more than a week locked in KDS-Deep starving to death

schaeffer directly states that the common worker would know "what Hydrostasis does to you".

here are the two relevant audio logs.

[finite vine]

I was about to say that the warden could have also been created by someone else than Kovac, like possibly the people from the Daylight Project. But then I remembered that there was some evidence that the warden existed before the fall of Garganta? I'm going to need a refresher on the collection and root of the evidence if u have any logs or anything on hand, I really don't remember where that conclusion came from tbh.

[eternal talon]

yeah, that and the piros log that gave us a simple "he is lying or he is telling the truth" statement (thank god)

which narrows it down to only one of two.

he genuinely doesnt know, and its allen, or he is lying, and its kovac.

[finite vine]

Idk your gonna have to give me some pretty hard evidence to convince me lmao. I remember there was a debate about this a while ago in the lore channel, but I don't remember much. Can u link a log or two? I could also go through the logs but im kinda busy rn, so ill have to do that later.

[eternal talon]

first warden override code April 5th, 2054 (also the same email chain that includes the "lying or telling the truth" ultimatum). https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=2909f58bdedc4c3a8570f3d6ad3309a1&pm=s

WHO (and daylight) determine the source of the virus is the yucatan April 20th, 2057. https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=db54486eb4924b39969d9d7b9003bf0b&pm=s

[eternal talon]

^ start of chain, beanz posted the entire thing earlier

[eternal talon]

A period of three years is pretty hard evidence, i'd say.

i belive the debate you are talking about also ended with this fact, that they only learned about the origin of the virus after warden was already online

regardless, I think we should celebrate how far we have narrowed it down in the first place

https://tenor.com/view/faygo-insane-clown-posse-icp-gif-19912783

it is now definitely one of two things, instead of like one of a dozen

this one wasn't on the notion, had to spend a bit to find it.

This is Matthew Aaron, operations lead for the Daylight Mission. I am recording this message at... 11:37am, April 28th, 2057. We have reached the port of Progreso and established an operations base in the cruise terminal. Unsurprisingly, this place has been abandoned. There's no one here - no one in the city at all, as far as we know. Getting here was a nightmare. The US government, what's left of it, offered no help. We were stuck in Tampa for two weeks until someone in the Cuban government heard our broadcast and offered help. They have kindly provided transportation, and a military force to protect us. Of course, we took them up on their offer. If getting through Florida is any indication of what's to come, we are going to need all the help we can get. They picked us up in Fort Myers last week. Imagine that. The Cuban Navy land on US soil and no one cares. We got to Pregreso 2 days ago, and have already managed to lose Dr. Wilkins. I'm not sure what happened, he must have just wandered off. We have a squad out looking for him. Since landing our military escort has reported sightings of... well the soldiers are calling them "chichiricu", but I don't know what they are.

According to Captain Puente they are coordinated and highly aggressive. I have asked the soldiers to capture one but they tell me the creatures disappear before their corpses can be recovered. Not disappear... vanish, maybe? It's probably a translation issue. Regardless, I have yet to see one and... well, the local fauna is not our mission. Our mission is NAM-V. The viral load present in the corpses from the city is massive. The virus has been here a long time. We've also found several mass cremation sites that we think haven't been touched in maybe 8 to 10 years, so I believe we are on the right track for finding the origin of this virus. We will be taking the boats to Garganta tomorrow. I don't know what we're going to find there, but I'm... hopeful. I will report again once we get there.

(also verifies the 2057 year, even in the ALT// worldline)

[finite vine]

oh yea this was the log, thanks. yea that is a really interesting log lmao

pyros is definitely up to something

although, if pyros didn't know what the warden was, he most certainly knew about it after this log. in that case, it could either be aliens, but what is stopping it from being something else? I do agree, if pyros and kovac are not behind the warden, then most of the evidence points towards the aliens being the origin of the warden, but it could also be something else.

its interesting that the warden existed before the fall of garganta.

[broken oriole]

will snatchers add into alt r4e1?

[raw terrace]

prob not
idk why this is in the lore chat either

but we dont know

[harsh pike]

probably not, would really cheapen their actual introduction imo

[fossil kernel]

Yes

A alien weapon of some sorts

[fossil kernel]

Maybe santonian was doing experiments with some alien stuff before shit went down

To make the warden

[fossil kernel]

Although the sleepers using the reproductive functions of the host species sounds metal as fuck,i think eventually kovak would drive them back

If the gun didnt fire and caused that ruckus

[fossil kernel]

So now,with this allen part "inside" biocom it started being used by the allens

[eternal talon]

Santonian had no access whatsoever to biocom or anything at all relating to Kovac for that matter. People who even dared to venture into Kovac zones were literally shot on sight

[eternal talon]

I think the scale of the situation is underestimated here, they were fighting a war of attrition against the sleepers for years.

[fossil kernel]

Oh my mistake

[fossil kernel]

Oooh

For years

[eternal talon]

Imagine taking down five tanks at once with several dozen sleepers charging down the same hall

It was pure chaos.

[fossil kernel]

That sounds fucking cool

[eternal talon]

Honestly it's a miracle that Kovac held their ground for as long as they did

[fossil kernel]

God bless them

[fossil kernel]

I mean if they had any explosived

[eternal talon]

Could be, or it could be to do with some secret project that Kovac had designed that they told nobody about. We can't be certain

[eternal talon]

Explosives, which make even more noise and wakes even more sleepers. They cannot win, even when winning

Not to mention how loud the facility as a whole up above would be just by doing standard activities.

[fossil kernel]

I think the secret project itself could be kovac experimenting with the allen stuff to use with biocom

[eternal talon]

It's like someone obnoxiously ringing a bell directly above your head and asking you "are you asleep yet?"

[fossil kernel]

Poor sleepy heads

[eternal talon]

Messing with the allen artifacts was more of Insight's thing, (subsidiary of Dreyfus) though I wouldn't doubt Kovac had some knowledge of them.

[fossil kernel]

They just want to snooze

[eternal talon]

Kovac had eyes and ears everywhere with their Hearsay system

[fossil kernel]

Exactly

[fossil kernel]

I could throw punches against a tank

[icy totem]

shrimp theory deniers in shambles rn

[graceful frost]

I'm sorry but I looked at the alpha channels and this is clearly photoshopped. (Posting original image for reference)

[plush nest]

so we get shiny rocks for the warden and he gives us drugs, thats quite the deal

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abuh5nnuMIY

[fossil kernel]

OMAGA

CHIMPS CONFIRMED

chimp belivers

ARISE

[charred vault]

the official warden tweeter account lists the statistics on how many times the prisoners died
https://twitter.com/gtfo_the_warden/status/1271384411444051970?s=21

since there’s only 4 guys in the complex that means we’ve canonically failed a1 215440.75 times

The Warden (@GTFO_The_Warden)

Expedition Report Rundown #002
Expedition R2A1
No. of prisoners dispatched: 861,736
No. of prisoners successful: 62,379
Prisoner survival rate: 7.24%
Transmission cont... (1/12)

Twitter · Jun 12, 2020, 10:10 AM

Mr. Dauda in the trailer says "there are different people every time, but I recognize them somehow"
clear evidence the prisoners have failed many times before eventually succeeding
like Sisyphus pushing a rock up a hill

@eternal talon thoughts? I need a loremaster to tell me im right

[eternal talon]

215440.75 times given the fact that there are only 32,000 KSOs in garganta, at all, i wouldn't consider the statistics themselves to be canon, only the dates.

and by dates, i mean we used the warden twitter to nail down the year (original) r3 takes place, which was later confirmed by a log to be correct

[eternal talon]

could be different memories from different worldlines, given the number of them are functionally infinite, I cannot say.

[strange grove]

statistics? now you have my attention

[graceful frost]

the official warden tweeter account lists the statistics on how many times the prisoners died
https://twitter.com/gtfo_the_warden/status/1271384411444051970?s=21

since there’s only 4 guys in the complex that means we’ve canonically failed a1 215440.75 times

The Warden (@GTFO_The_Warden)
Expedition Report Rundown #002
Expedition R2A1
No. of prisoners dispatched: 861,736
No. of prisoners successful: 62,379
Prisoner survival rate: 7.24%
Transmission cont... (1/12)

Twitter•06/12/2020 6:10 AM
Mr. Dauda in the trailer says "there are different people every time, but I recognize them somehow"
clear evidence the prisoners have failed many times before eventually succeeding
like Sisyphus pushing a rock up a hill
@Frostty #gtfo-lore thoughts? I need a loremaster to tell me im right

The Warden (@GTFO_The_Warden)

Expedition Report Rundown #002
Expedition R2A1
No. of prisoners dispatched: 861,736
No. of prisoners successful: 62,379
Prisoner survival rate: 7.24%
Transmission cont... (1/12)

Twitter · Jun 12, 2020, 10:10 AM

[clear furnace]

I swear if its all just a dream or if we had no impact on the real world imma be pissed

But that seems to be the direction its going

[strange grove]

I have bad news for you

[severe prairie]

probably the latter

Schaeffer seems to be repeating history rn

[queen gazelle]

It is a horror game Ofc we don’t have an impact on the world

[harsh pike]

we might

[mortal pivot]

"Not with that attitude" 😄

[broken oriole]

30 mins 'till new lores ok

[harsh saffron]

That's already good to know ^^
(from the intel box at the top of R4)

[broken oriole]

Log in R4A1

[broken oriole]

Log in R4A2

[unborn steppe]

Is the audiolog in R4A1 bugged for anyone else? The terminal had the red text that usually indicates theres audio but it didn't play for me. Terminal in zone 34F.

[rocky wraith]

hype

[rocky wraith]

I wanna play it so bad but I have an exam tomorrow aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[eternal talon]

you cannot justify nam-v and the parasite as genetic evoloution. you aren't Albert Wesker. whoever wrote this was a dumbass.

https://tenor.com/view/ratio-wesker-albert-wesker-gif-24966447

[rocky wraith]

bruh

[eternal talon]

what USED TO BE the ocean.. that's... very very fucking significant. (also this is gtfo-lore. you don't need to spoiler tag things here)

[rocky wraith]

Read it again

Frostty you haven't slept enough

[broken oriole]

It seems like timelines collided? So the facility appeared in this ALT timeline?

[rocky wraith]

They existed in both already

[eternal talon]

you are not telling me these fuckers set up tents at the bottom of the sea floor

[rocky wraith]

Frostty

[eternal talon]

either the sea levels rose, or dropped

[rocky wraith]

you tool

[eternal talon]

given it says "used to be"

[eternal talon]

OUT WITH IT

[rocky wraith]

this has already been covered in a previous log

They built a ring of 30 meter high concrete wall and then drained the inside

The ocean was fine

[eternal talon]

"stayed UP at sea level, they wont come down here"

so they are underwater

[rocky wraith]

no

get in the General VC and I'll explain how ocean constuction works

[rocky wraith]

Because they are on top of the wall

[broken oriole]

From the info in this log sounds like Dreyfus or Kovac doesn't exist in this timeline,

[eternal talon]

well thats impossible, so no

dreyfus owns smc and kovac is literally everything

we are kovac

[rocky wraith]

they do, the work that took place with garganta was heavily classified and few knew of it

[broken oriole]

The are tons of Dreyfus/Kovac related logos inside the facility... Why the Aaron guy sounds like he didn't recognize them if he and his team explored surface part of the complex? 🤔

[rocky wraith]

They've heard of them, they just don't know what the facility is for

[eternal talon]

28 neonates.. there are moar

5 more

[rocky wraith]

PTJ-CRU-9D9.LOG

is the log they talk about the ocean built facility

20M tall walls draining out an area of 15 acres

That is massive

[eternal talon]

You are tuned to State of Truth AM. I was at a conference recently. Now I can’t give you all the details because there is a lot of people in power who’d like to know, right? But let me just say that it was a meeting of… great minds, right? People who know the hard questions that need to be asked. People that will not simply lie down; as these big, global conglomerates spoon-feed us lies. This gathering, this conference that I was fortunate enough to be invited to discussed a lot of topics. We talked about chemtrails, we talked about subliminal control through advertising, we talked about the New World Order, lots of stuff. But you know what we talked about most? Garganta. That’s right, some of you may have heard it’s called “The Facility” but it’s the same thing, okay?

They call it Garganta, that’s the official name, I have that on good authority. The Santonian Mining Company is building a massive, underground superstructure off the Yucatan coast and its construction is destroying the habitat. By the way, when I say the Santonian Mining Company, you know who that is right? Dreyfus Industries. Yeah that name keeps popping up, doesn’t it? I’m talking about mass extinction of land and sea species. I’m talking about topsoil contamination, water table poisoning. We are headed for complete environmental collapse in the Yucatan because the SMC and let’s just say it here: Dreyfus Industries; are being allowed to build without any oversight or jurisdiction. I mean they built these concrete walls, nearly 20 meters high right onto the seabed floor and then drained out an area that’s almost 15 acres, that’s… 10 football fields of seafloor exposed.

The contaminants they have leaked into the surrounding waters are incalculable. That’s the Gulf Stream right there, whatever crap they leached out into the sea is going global. You get me? They are digging down. We don’t know how deep, because of course it’s classified and we’re not allowed to know that. But they are digging down and nobody is watching them. Who knows what deadly diseases they are exposing, what toxins are getting released into the atmosphere as they drill. Are you gonna eat fish caught in the Gulf now? I know I’m not. The construction of Garganta is the single most threatening issue facing our planet today and nobody… nobody is talking about it. Except us, you and me. Lines are open, give us a call…

[burnt wren]

I love how kovac are almost literally dwarves

Inb4 we find a book of grudges

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/bardin-vermintide-dwarf-warhammer-gif-23354885

[broken oriole]

No schaeffer sound in ALT R4B1

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-diamond-gif-24666895

all but confirmed then it was schaef in alt//r1 telling us far earlier than expected. @rocky wraith

which means there've gotta be two

since he'd've still been in either KDS-Deep or under the warden's control as part of a quad

[rocky wraith]

hmm I'd have to do some catching up on the shafer lore

[eternal talon]

its full of discrepancies

so do it when you dont already have a headaiche

'cause it'll give ya one

[rocky wraith]

after my exam then

[broken oriole]

There's an audio log from him in alt r2 about trying to break warden's control

[eternal talon]

still, the wall banging was from r1d1

[wary portal]

where did you find it

[broken oriole]

zone 45

[wary portal]

kk

[wary portal]

you guys think in a2 extreme there is a log in one of the 3 doors?

[cunning light]

That would be annoying but not unheard of... The famous 000-000-000.log file was in an optional side zone in Alt://R2 , for instance

[wary portal]

110 and 111 have no logs only have 112 to check

[gilded vine]

The r4b3 log with the email address was pretty interesting

I ain't got a picture of it but it mentions a castle Truth

Guessing Mr Truths hideout

[wary portal]

there is an audio log in b4 and holy shit its...disturbing....

39E

[final sentinel]

B4?

[wary portal]

yeee

[final sentinel]

oh R2B4?

[wary portal]

r4

oh wait sorry my bad b3

[final sentinel]

oh ok jesus my brain was dying

[eternal talon]

What'd it say?

[stone swift]

Was that the one with Teale?

If so I've got pics (albeit I had flashlight on cuz I was rushing)

Not sure which levels any of these were from, I found them across a few different ones in a very short span of time

[cunning light]

That first one is quite creepy already

[eternal talon]

Seriously, you don't need to use spoiler tags in here. It says so in the channel description

[stone swift]

Just trying to do my good deed for the community, Frostty

[eternal talon]

Just sayin'

[stone swift]

Consider it noted

[final sentinel]

man I hope Valiant Chamber is a level name

[stone swift]

It's a pretty cool name

[eternal talon]

ITS FUCKING RAW
seriously though, this is great!

[stone swift]

glad you enjoy 🙂

I was honestly just bumrushing as many levels as I could in 7 hours so I probably missed quite a few

I might go back tonight or tomorrow and record the audio logs + try to get better quality pics of all the logs I can find

All I know is that the logs above are somewhere between A1-C3, and based on the timestamp, I think they were late B-tier/early C-tier levels

[eternal talon]

Interesting. "I don't know how I got here" if he means back to r4 from r7, this could nail it @rocky wraith

If only he kept talking

[rocky wraith]

possibly, I suspect it's either when he just came out of hydrostasis or the alt merging really fried him

[eternal talon]

Well again, schaeffer discrepancy. He still couldn't have gotten out of KDS-DEEP until after r5e1. We still don't have an answer for it

[rocky wraith]

The weird thing is that he is confused about biocom and his surroundings in general

actually,

[eternal talon]

Since we know he was out during r4, yet it's impossible for him to be until after r5. Discrepancies discrepancies. Headaches, am I right?

[rocky wraith]

I don't think this is a later shafer

[eternal talon]

(and this was only original worldline stuff)

[rocky wraith]

I think this his him at the fall of the facility

Like, right after the kds personal told him to fuck off

that's what it seems to be remiscent of, but the memories thing is reallllly weird

[eternal talon]

Well if he was parasite'd even hydrostasis wouldn't save him since the mutations are perm

Not to mention memory loss isn't one of nam-v's symptoms afik

[eternal talon]

(We got a full list during r6)

[rocky wraith]

memory symptoms are either HSU or MWP

[eternal talon]

Neither of which he'd have had access to / known about before the collapse

[rocky wraith]

And I reckon its likely to be MWP since if it was HSU he'd be with a squad

[eternal talon]

Or willing, I guess. Since it literally took starving to death for him to HSU' himself

[rocky wraith]

A Shafer caught as an anomaly?

so two shafers? an original one who's inside kds deep, and the other which was brought across because of the MWP

[eternal talon]

No idea, but most of his story is already an anomaly

He broke free of a kso squad he was put in by warden during r4, before warden had access to his HSU in r5.

[rocky wraith]

Here he doesn't even know who wrdn is

[eternal talon]

Only thing on my mind is two schaeffers, like the two bishops

[rocky wraith]

so possibly one shafer was part of the squad, the other in kds deep

[stone swift]

Here's the R4A1 log without a flashlight shining on it btw, might be easier to read

[eternal talon]

(W. the mask issue)

[rocky wraith]

TY very nice

[eternal talon]

We can read them just fine, only debating

Or at least I can

[stone swift]

Yeah, but this might make it easier for some people with accessibility issues regarding light contrast

I'm endeavouring to do this for the logs I posted above too, no reason not to

[rocky wraith]

Yush!

[eternal talon]

Well I mean wiki guys will datamine them in a day or two anyways

(If they haven't already started)

[stone swift]

Ok

If you don't want to read them, you don't have to. There might be others here that do

So I'm going to

[eternal talon]

I don't really keep up with what duck and them do

[eternal talon]

... wasn't Igor the guy that got domed?

[stone swift]

Can't say I remember for sure but I think he was

[eternal talon]

Guess that explains that then.

Fucked around and found out

[stone swift]

R4A2 Log with Audio

[rocky wraith]

This is deeply appreciated

[stone swift]

Thanks 🙂

[rocky wraith]

I think the winches are the squads being dropped down into the depths. Gives us a rough frequency estimate which is nice

missions taking a few hours on average matches up with user experience

[stone swift]

You know, I hadn't thought of that and was puzzled figuring it out

Nice work

[final sentinel]

only hearing them for a few seconds is kind of weird

like ik we're being dropped into the depths but wouldn't you think that the winches would be audible until the elevator returned to the surface?

[pastel ether]

you mind if I upload those two log images of yours (and log audio) to the wiki?

[stone swift]

Please do!

And consider that standing permission for future logs I post, like these:

R4A3 Log 1

R4A3 Log 2

Gonna dive into my R4B1 vod and see if I can't find the log I found there, and then I'm taking a lil breather

Will look through my vods for B2-C3 later tonight

What are the lore implications of this??? 🤔