gtfo-lore

[wary portal]

I wanna know what they looked like before they mutated

[eternal talon]

i've played this game since the launch of r1 way back in the day... so when exactly?

the alpha and the beta when lore didn't exist?

[eternal talon]

we have no idea, and we probably never will given the ridiculous amounts of time that has passed on destination.

[wary portal]

Its funny how the key feature is usually the face being split open

[eternal talon]

r1 screenshot proof #MaulBestMelee

[wary portal]

Cause i am sure the tentecals and the mouth are part of the mutation

[burnt wren]

Frost, D1 is memeing.

Just completely ignore any comment that says anything about chimp theory.

[strange grove]

nice try, we both know there is chimp DNA in these pickups

[hot burrow]

👀👀👀👀

[dull crest]

Lore people, small patch going out in 30 minutes that gives you a audio log in R3D1 that was missing.

[harsh saffron]

Secret goal: R3D1 has to have the most logs of any level ^^

[hard linden]

yay new lore!!!

[dull crest]

A bit unclear if it was in the game, and bugged out with the previous patch

[burnt wren]

Shruggity shrug. I swear you already patched something log related just some time ago.

[dull crest]

Previous one, yes. Adding in more Rundowns have had some interesting side affects

[burnt wren]

Lmao

[burnt wren]

Now the real issue is figuring out which log is it...

[eternal talon]

Well the wiki should already have all the logs for r3d1, eh?

Just look to find one that's different

[dusky canopy]

There aren't any new logs/audio

just triple checked + checked the auto_gen just to be sure

[burnt wren]

Denied.

[strange grove]

no its real

[solar nova]

Kind of sounds like the audio log that was already in bugged out, so it should be the one on wiki.

[eternal talon]

Wtf is this? It looks like it's from alien Isolation, but it has the SMC logo? Some kind of fancy mod, or something else?

[burnt wren]

Obviously a mod.

[strange grove]

It’s the pre alpha dev build, as seen in the bottom right

[burnt wren]

Sure it is...

[strange grove]

I can record it if you want proof

[burnt wren]

Nah your word means nothing to me

Get one of the devs on the phone to confirm or deny

I can believe its some early alpha inner joke, but you know... It doesn't matter either way really.

[strange grove]

I know my word means nothing to you, that’s why I offered to record

[burnt wren]

You know what I mean.

[strange grove]

I don’t, actually

I am quite confused

[hot burrow]

I’m pretty there’s an old dev leak of this version somewhere pinned

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585063132553281556/614387720516796426/gtfo_03.mp4

[graceful frost]

Mountainmans screenshot was taken before the recent patch

[celest pagoda]

It's from the pre-alpha, Mountainman made some kind of edit to continue the trollin. Just ignore em

(John Chimp has entered the complex, run)

[burnt wren]

Ah, so it was technically modded, but i gave him too much credit that he would mod an entire level/terminal just for a joke.

[sudden quarry]

chimp theory is real, ur all just blind to the truth

[burnt wren]

If you want to talk about violent ape theory - we can talk about the violent ape theory, but i'll need to do some google reading up before we can have that conversation

[hard linden]

what is chimp theory

is it a theory about a chimp

[sudden quarry]

the sleepers are chimps

[hard linden]

this?

[past flume]

I honestly prefer computer theory

[hard linden]

yeah no ain't no way for chimp theory to work

[past flume]

chimp theory does answer a few questions but it arises a few more like the whole hive mind situation

[solar nova]

What if I told you that sleepers are infected apes?

[burnt wren]

I mean technically. Humans are apes last i checked. Were supposed to be, at least...

[past flume]

I would say that you're completely right

[strange grove]

you seem quite confident in your assessment. may I ask why?

[eternal talon]

I have left the closet recently, my friends.
🏳️‍⚧️ (she/her)

[eternal talon]

Apes or primates? Actually... is there a difference?

[solar nova]

No, lol.

[stone vine]

yes chimp theory is the most probable

i agree

[stone vine]

proud of u

[solar nova]

Chimp theory certainly comprises a non-zero section of the probability space for ape theory.

[finite vine]

it is the pre-alpha build

the files are floating around, people have access to it

[finite vine]

oh lmao, I didn't see the "species: chimpanzee" comment on the terminal

the screenshot is from pre-alpha build thou

but that "species: chimpanzee" line is edited

[strange grove]

how do you know

did you check the terminal?

[fossil kernel]

Guys i have a theory

What if

All the events of GTFO were just a dream

Dauda was only dreaming

And when he woke up bishop,woods and hackett hugged him and said

We were so worried that you wouldnt wake up

And they all kissed

[burnt wren]

Alright, that's a new one.
+1 for creativity.
-10 for "its just a dream".

[fossil kernel]

Ok

They all go to another universe and at the end they all kiss passionately

And i need to especify

Its a french kiss

Tongue and all

[burnt wren]

I'm about to hit you with -100 for the Big G. Don't push your luck.

[fossil kernel]

What is the big G?

But all jokes aside

I think the escaping to another universe theory would be a nice bittersweet ending

Earth is doomed anyway in the current universe

[burnt wren]

The problem is they're doomed in all others too because they're adjusted. Not to mention that our boys are already infected, so them going into the other world will just doom that one as well.

[fossil kernel]

Oh. I didnt known they were all adjusted

[strange grove]

+100

[fossil kernel]

I guess gtfo isnt going to have a happy ending whatsoever

[burnt wren]

As the facts of the matter are right now - there's no good ending for our squad. Best they can do is send a message over and hope someone will not only receive it, but actually heed it.

[strange grove]

the good ending is actually where they defeat all the chimps

[fossil kernel]

Maybe the allen would help our bois

[burnt wren]

Hm, I guess it is a possibility... Nasty ex machina though.

[fossil kernel]

Yeah

[fossil kernel]

The chimp queen is killed

And all other chimps revert to normal

Chimp ending unlocked

[strange grove]

thats a very good theory

i think i saw it in an alpha terminal somewhere

[burnt wren]

What was that one game that had a chimp ending...

[strange grove]

too bad the alpha isnt real

[burnt wren]

Oh right. "OFF".

[fossil kernel]

It was on a very early leaked alpha

[strange grove]

chimp liver????? https://imgur.com/a/1w8DLBD

[burnt wren]

Anyway. I have no idea how they intend to end to this. They cut off almost all good endings and now best we get is "take it down with us". And theres just so few pieces on the table to work with. The ending will either be completely anticlimatic, or the most insane nonsense imaginable.

[strange grove]

the ending is when you beat the snatcher

[fossil kernel]

Wait

They cut almost all good endings?

How tf?

Like

[lean whale]

Yea wym

[fossil kernel]

All possibilites of a good ending?

[lean whale]

What was the good ending anyway

The world outside has gone to shit

[fossil kernel]

In the alt rundowns is implied that theres still people alive

Maybe the alt rundowns will change everything?

Well see

[burnt wren]

Namv is the most infectious virus in history of mankind. Attacks through every known infection method simultaneously (air included) and protection gear does jackshit.
All signs point to it being an exceptionally potent bio weapon. As long as even 1 infected person exists - it's only a matter of time before outbreaks resurge and wipes the planet clean again.

And it's like 1 month from being infected to either dissolving into a soup or becoming a sleeper.

The planet should be dead... But it isn't?

The game's lore fluctuates and retcons things so fast we can barely keep up.

And now there's multiverse involved.

[fossil kernel]

Man i love gtfo but holy fuck

Lore is confoluted as fuck

[burnt wren]

I am baffled as to how they intend to dig out from this mess.

There's a possibility they can.
But let's just say... The survival rate for stories this convoluted is not great.

[fossil kernel]

Its gonna be just like the binding of isaac

Not a single good ending

[hard linden]

I believe that there is no ending in GTFO

Every time there's a new rundown unlocked, we are prisoners, we remain constrained and isolated from what is left of society

OR I might've read the lore wrong who knows lmao

[fossil kernel]

I know

I know theres no ending

Those are just theories

A game theory

If you will

[solar nova]

-or a nightmare.

[finite vine]

I know because i’ve played the pre alpha

[strange grove]

when?

[harsh pike]

the logs suggest that the world's not dead, just had a large chunk of the world population wiped out by NAM-V

[stone vine]

im finally gonna write my script

its been 3 months lmao

no super new info tho so im going to just keep going w what i have + some new stuff

[eternal talon]

script?

gonna make a lore vid?

[eternal talon]

lmao they do be kinda soupy

either that or low res. kinda both

[eternal talon]

basically yeah, but there will be a final rundown. its just a matter of what it is and how it leaves the story.

we've yet to get a single cutscene, so something like a finale is extremely unlikely

it'll almost certainly be open-ended, sorta like a fade-to-black after the last mission, if even that.

[stone vine]

yeah yk the thing i was working on like

late last year

finishing that

[unkempt sparrow]

Anyone trying to kiss?

[strange grove]

idk, what is your opinion on the spear

[dusky canopy]

On the subject of insane theory’s, what about Schaefer being a Unit? My only reason for this is his ability to survive NamV + plus Unit 22’s “We are not so different”.
It’s mostly just a “What if Human Schaefer died at some point and a fresh unit was born/done growing, found his logs and basically became him”

Idk, looking into it any further breaks it (henriksson would surely notice the inhuman gentlemen ranting about the warden) shrugs I just don’t get how Schaefer can still be alive with the virus.

[kindred cedar]

is there a timeline of schaefer getting out of hydrostatis and how long hes been out

cause isnt it a month to like die from the virus

[fossil kernel]

You can eat sleeper meat

Thats whats he's been doing

Remember those mutilated sleepers in r6?

Yea

He was hungy

[austere depot]

At this point, I do not mind an absolute horrendous ending to GTFO 👀
I think in order for it all to make sense, we must shift how we view the narrative in GTFO to one of cosmic horror.

Forces beyond our control, a virus that does not make natural sense..

natural sense, from our (and their) scientific point of view anyways

humanity being altered, changed.. and what is interesting in this tale, humanity's own part in it

turns out, human greed and ego, can be just as much an aspect of cosmic horror as unknown entities and impossible viruses 👀
The WRDN may be the current mastermind of our characters, but the WRDN was not the one to put probes in their heads

that was done before its time, the WRDN just slipped into what was already put there

Looking at the Neonates and how they speak of changing, altering human DNA to their greedy needs and desires.
I will just say, they were never any better than the virus in any way, shape or form. Humanity was on their way to become the end result. The virus was just better and more efficient.

[hard linden]

wrong channel dude

[finite vine]

Schaeffer might not be a unit, he might just be immune to NAM-V, and the Unit saying “We are not so different” could mean that Shaffer is immune to NAM-V just like the Unit.

[eternal talon]

but we dont know how he could be immune. as far as we know from the WHO, natural immunity is impossible

[dusky canopy]

Maybe but I find that super hard to believe. He definitely has/had the same symptoms as.... whatshisface? Gallus something.
Describing the same thing. Wet, heavy brain/head. Mentioned in the alt r3 logs if i recall.

Edit: Hammstein

[austere depot]

I think the reason it says so is because that is the dialogue it was imprinted with. If you listen to 5R3-8M4-HCX, you will come over its most basic questions and utterances.

Excerpts:
"We are not so different, you and I."
"Are you a dog or a cat person"

And of course: MY FRIEND

A lot of what it says may be 'learned lines'. Imprinted lines. It may not truly understand what it says as it attempts to establish communication with Schaeffer.

[eternal talon]

how the fuck it get in here when the door is literally closed when we get to it, not to mention, it is the very next zone we go into when we teleport back. we were literally standing right next to the sec door before we went to the staircase of hell

[strange grove]

chimps just have very small hitboxes

[sudden quarry]

I think he was the impostor

I’m glad we could finally figure out who it was

[strange grove]

oh yea that makes a lot of sense, actually.
that guy was hella sus

[austere depot]

same way those bodies got into the mainframe? 👀 🤣

[burnt wren]

I'm afraid we have to stop questioning the game on logistics of how anything moves around at all if all the doors are closed and locked.

The simple answer would be that Schaf and Unit just close them / they close by themselves but like... We never saw that happen and there's no reason for them to do so.
...
Except for the fact that sleepers seem incapable of breaking them.
BUT THEN WHY CAN'T WE DO THE SAME.

But then we also have NORMAL doors as well, locked with conventional and hackable lockers... FROM BOTH SIDES... No fucking way Schaf breaks in and then re-locks it on both sides.

Another easy answer is, uh... What is it called... VENTILATION SHAFTS!

But we literally never seen one. They don't exist in level design.

Characters just move around where they need to be to make things happen, "there are other ways around than just doors, trust me bro."

I miss good environmental storytelling.

[austere depot]

Ditto. I know I am beating the same drum over and over with the bodies inside the mainframe. It is both my point and my eternal frustration. I will not say that GTFO has no environmental storytelling. It definitely has, but I would have liked a larger dedicated focus on it.

Case in point: We are looking for an origin to the WRDN. Piros insists that BIOCOM is unhackable and alterations to its programming requires direct access to the mainframe. What do we find when we inside the mainframe ourselves? The mother of all vault doors already open and melted body models (heads, arms, legs, whatever) strewn about. It should be a big deal. But with the way things are, it is not. And it can be said for other things within the complex.

Rather than environmental storytelling, we are presented with mystery boxes JJ Abrahams style.
For example: We still do not know what the spaghetti-like mass in the ceiling-holes near chargers are.

We are presented with piles of bodies and Neonate HSU's in the room where the first tank is found. But rather than get an explanation for it, we are just left to wonder.

Speaking of that room.. HOW DID IT get in there? x'D

...a lot of that 🤔 and yes, of course, the bodies in the mainframe.. which is frustrating because that either -is- environmental storytelling or anti-environmental storytelling

[strange grove]

chimp

[austere depot]

's are cool

[graceful frost]

Case in point: Chimpanzee

[austere depot]

But if its a tank, is it a Chim-panzer? 🤔

If we go with Chimpanzees though, instead of bodies. If there ever was a chimpanzee in the mainframe, when it was explicitly stated to be hard to impossible to get into. Then environmental storytelling would be to have the room be absolutely sterile.

Not have a chimp swinging about inside of it or a body strewn about.

[strange grove]

chimps are very good climbers, so they can get out of bounds easier

[austere depot]

But where is your proof? I have looked through all the logs and there is no mention of a banana in any of them 🍌

[strange grove]

right here

[austere depot]

that is some monkey business for sure 👀

[strange grove]

no 100% legit

[hard linden]

he's
he's just sleeping

[loud urchin]

First tank was r4c1, not r4d2 but yea, shits whack

[austere depot]

If it had a greater focus on visual storytelling, I would ask if the Tanks are failed specimens prior to subject 22

In short: Something went terribly wrong in the process. The neonate, with logs covering for abnormal growth rates, mutated into something beyond their scope and control and proceeded to trash the room from the inside.

But since moments like that are far and few between in the game, it is a mystery box rather than something that can be interpreted as such 😶

[fossil kernel]

it kinda makes sense

but what about mothers?

what are they?

just pregnant woman infected by the parasite?

[austere depot]

Good question. They are definitely coded female, even as a monster. It could have a complex answer, it could have a simple answer.
Simple answer would be that they are mutated human females as a result of the virus. Pregnancy as a factor would make sense given the virality of the mutagens involved in the Nam-V / parasite symbiosis.

[eternal talon]

Aren't moms two people fused together?

I don't remember off the top of my head.

I'd have to look at a screenshot when I get home from work

[fossil kernel]

yep

[celest pagoda]

Looking at the model itself it doesn't seem to be comprised of two people. The multiple arms seem to connect to a central shoulder on either side, 3 arms on either side of the body with seemingly 2 other vestigial arms on either side as well melded into the other limbs. Only 1 head is present, with the spinal column seeming to have elongated in someway as the back of the neck seems to have been torn open by bone growth in the area. This may have been what pushed the tumor and skull out of the face causing said face to split.

I firmly believe the mother is what Hammerstein mentioned, a specimen of another race infected by NAM-V. The way the limbs connect imply they were present before infection and weren't grown as a result of mutation, but instead were contorted during the process.

[celest pagoda]

The entirety of the Mother's physiology is just all kinds of fucked up

so 12 arms total, yet almost no identifiable foot to signify the end of another human body

except for this but then its a hand at the end so its like a prehensile foot and i just ??????

[graceful frost]

it's bent backwards because the devs are lazy and didn't really know what to do with the original model

but those are its feet yes

it's supposed to be standing upright, but they just gave it a shooter rig and called it a day

[celest pagoda]

you sure? I'm fairly certain this model was made this way

[graceful frost]

yes I am very confident in this fact

[celest pagoda]

this is the default posed model

[graceful frost]

you see how the feet are just bent into the model

[celest pagoda]

yea but it seems to have been intentionally modeled that way, it doesn't look like an error

[graceful frost]

I don't know chief, that looks like they just bent whatever the foot model was

[strange grove]

https://tenor.com/view/gtfo-gtfo-meme-get-on-gtfo-birther-mother-gif-25917857

[graceful frost]

it's supposed to look like that yes

[celest pagoda]

Exactly, I think it was intentional body horror (Although they probably didn't plan ahead lore-wise for that)

I assume the Mother wasn't human originally just based on its physical appearance, got a bit side tracked cos this thing is just

nasty

[strange grove]

nah she a baddie

[graceful frost]

she's nasty alright 😍

https://tenor.com/view/gtfo-game-gif-25676557

[eternal talon]

Maybe one of the species recovered from the Allen's stash in the inner. Still oddly human looking though. The face, I mean.

We know one of the species is humanoid and able to teleport though, that we haven't seen. The one Edgar mentions

So many possible variants we will never see.

[celest pagoda]

Hammerstein mentioned that the creatures they were capturing/studying were of different evolutionary trees but expressed similar mutations. If this is referring to sleepers (IE strikers(Human), Chargers(Non-Human)), then I'd bet the mother and many other sleepers we encounter were part of that "Stash", minus the ones we know to be mutated humans

[eternal talon]

Yee

The tank I do know is comprised of a single entity

Since it's head is split straight down the middle.

Strangely enough, it's more human looking than almost any other variant. (Minus chargers and snatcher)

It's got easily recognizable eyes, ears, and... two halves of a face

[celest pagoda]

Exactly

The tank too may be a species from the "Stash". It's face, regardless of mutation, is far too large to be a normal human face. I'd assume the tank was some l a r g e humanoid pre-mutation

The tank in general is just a large fella

And while it could be the body growing violently, the face probably would of torn apart completely if it was stretched to such a point

This is also the only explanation I have (for now) regarding the shadows. They look to be human-based strikers, but their near invisibility and unique set of sounds could mean they also fall into the "Human-like" species category, but until we know more I'd say its still up in the air

[eternal talon]

Well I mean it is.

[graceful frost]

The tank is three people, the birther is two

That's sort of the gimmick they were going for

[celest pagoda]

It's definately only one person, the other two "heads" appear to be holes forming around the shoulders

[eternal talon]

The tank I can verify isn't three people. I have a high quality picture I can post when I get home

[graceful frost]

Fairly sure I remember the tanks model being composed of 3 splits

Which would make sense because of 3 tongues

[eternal talon]

I can post it when I get home.

Got a really good one with 🚪🧀

[graceful frost]

Fairly sure you can get a better look at it by just looking at the model in unity

Which I've done

[eternal talon]

I'm 100% on this. Just be patient. I've not yet unlocked the teleportation skill.

[celest pagoda]

yea, one person, b i g fella though

(Unity is the defo better method for checkin models, saves time)

[eternal talon]

It's kinda fucked you can literally make out details like the person's ear

[celest pagoda]

T H I S

like goddamn

[eternal talon]

Hi-Res body puppeting. What next? Tentacles moving under the skin of the snatcher?

[celest pagoda]

His back look likes cursed lasagna

[eternal talon]

Imagine your last days before having your head torn open. I mean just being sleeper-ified in general is nightmare fuel

They arent allowed to die becsuse of the virus. Imagine the screams from the people being puppeted before their mouths are sealed via shooter gunk or throats torn out by the tentacle whips

[celest pagoda]

G u h

[eternal talon]

If they'd even have the control over their muscles to scream in the first place

[graceful frost]

im pretty sure those tentacle holes count has head

seeming as the actual head split is identical to either other one

[plush nest]

I think those are more so the shoulders, since the actual “head” looks as it has been split, but the other two just look like a hole or the mouth on a worm

[burnt wren]

I'm more curious why it has multiple mouths to begin with.

Is it really just one advanced form of an infected or it's a guy who is simultaneously infected with multiple instances of same parasite thing and they all just chill on him.

The latter is so much more horrifying.

Like a boat covered in barnacles.

[eternal talon]

ehem'

[burnt wren]

Exactly

[clear furnace]

Anybody have the model of the mother to look at?

[severe prairie]

are some of the log files and audio files different in the alt rundowns when comparing to the original ones?

[eternal talon]

Yes

If you'd like to learn the lore, I recommend reading the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel

Otherwise, best bet would be to visit the old log pages on the wiki, if they are still up (not sure, ask @harsh saffron )

[harsh saffron]

Basically, all of the old logs are replaced by new ones in the alt versions but some are very similar in terms of their contents (with different dates, wording etc).
You can check the Logs category on the wiki (https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Logs) and compare them if you'd like.

[harsh pike]

oh god reading that made me want to vomit

I think you're right

[strange grove]

yea i cant play levels with tanks anymore, cause i always vomit all over my computer when i see them. I guess they were right about this being a hardcore game

[eternal talon]

@dull crest how much of the R6+ lore was planned out prior to R6's launch? (Specifically stuff with the Allens and Multiuniversal travel)

[dull crest]

Depends on how much "prior" you mean

[eternal talon]

It's hard to say since we dont know when development on r6 started, but I mean like how far ahead did you guys plan for the lore

Because it is pretty jarring, the difference between R5 and everything before it, to R6 and everything after it

[dull crest]

Good question, I don't have a direct answer, but it's all Simon/Adams works

[eternal talon]

It's worlds apart in terms of depth, and I do appreciate it (the quality of recent lore I mean)

You are the sort-of go-between, no? Or can we just ping them in the server.

If it's not something you guys want to answer that's fine too I guess

[dull crest]

I can ask, but as you said, don't know if they are keen on answering it in details.

[austere depot]

The effect of R6 is recontextualization, I think, which is why the reveal was so effective.
And this may just be my personal opinion, but I really like the writing in GTFO. We are not really the main characters of this tale, we are the couriers and delivery boys. Cogs in the machine.
As for R6+, we would not have the Neonate if we did not go through hell in R2 to fetch it and bring it to maturity in R3. The plot was perhaps a slow trudge and a slow burner, but that is why I also think they were effective. We would not care much about subject 22 if we did not go through all the work to bring it to life. We carried it in our own hands, resuscitated, depressurized and primed it for indoctrination and witnessed the process first hand.

I hate on R5 because I do not like the rebirth mechanic, but come on, the reveal of KDS deep was brilliant!

[solar nova]

I hate some of the writing in R6, but I think the atmosphere was still fantastic and the background lore has always been good.

It's mostly Schaeffer stuff that I hate in R6.

He's a lot better in R7 imo.

[austere depot]

It also took a while before I realized this, but GTFO also tells its story by being anti-fun.. and I hate it as much as I love it.
Players capable of soaring through every map at high octane speeds will not have noticed - but infection fog.. sucks x'D
It struck me for levels with large sections of infection fog with no fog turbine present.
In such levels, it is at best an area you have to pass with limited resources with some resources (for repeller) management involved.
At worst: A slow-zone at crouch level, denying you full sneak capabilities.

And I admit, I am not a high octane 360 no-scope player. I pass as mediocre. And at those times, infection fog.. can be such a drag.. and I can imagine what it was like for the miners... and that is brilliant x'D

[solar nova]

The game being hard is definitely an aesthetic itself.

Having done a bit of door cheese E-tier to see what it's like, they really feel completely different.

Needing to put in work to get somewhere or having pressure associated with some task is all a big deal.

[fresh juniper]

Bruh

[clear furnace]

Whats the name of the crystal they were mining?

[solar nova]

Cretasium 77a iirc

[lofty warren]

So any great big new reveals in alt 3?

[burnt wren]

Hmm. Not sure.

I already forgot what was new and what was R2

Something something UN expedition to Garganta. America is a lawless wasteland - UN had to be escorted by... Mexican army, I think? What was left of it anyway.

Sleepers are confirmed to be on the surface.

Sleepers are confirmed to disintegrate upon death.

[solar nova]

Cuban army

[burnt wren]

Close enough.

[solar nova]

Typical Euro take.

[lofty warren]

Typical euro takev

?

[hard linden]

Never knew why America was a wasteland, but what about Canada though?
Canada's part of North America, or the country is not even remotely related to lore

[burnt wren]

Not really, no. I don't think I remember a single reference to Canada.

Either way it's probably doing about as well as the rest of the world: quickly losing population to NAM-V.
Hell, probably just as much of a wasteland as USA, since they are the 3rd closest country to the source of the outbreak, with 2nd being Mexico I think. I forgot where Garganta is precisely...

[hard linden]

alr i got confused bc of geography and just USA hoarding the name "american"

[burnt wren]

He's making fun of me for seeing Mexicans and Cubans as basically the same thing.

[hard linden]

i mean they're in the same region sorta

they're close

[burnt wren]

Aesthetically speaking.

Tan men speaking funky jiberish.

[eternal talon]

Yucatan peninsula, village of Ixil

[austere depot]

Currently trying to imagine infected, mutated moose 👀

[austere depot]

A thought suddenly struck me about destination. @eternal talon , you are not going to like this (x'D).
If time moves 85 times faster in the Membrane on Destination than the main / adjacent ones in (ALTs), how can we tell if it is in the Butterfly Nebula when the same coordinates, when applied to earth, points to the Atlantic tectonic center.

We need to think of time differently here. Time was always moving at a faster pace in the membrane of destination, accelerating for anyone entering it.
Therefore, in theory, time have always moved faster in that membrane, meaning it is not 85 seconds ahead of us but 85 x every second, in every hour, in every year, in every millennia ahead of us.

My question then becomes this: How can we tell, with time soaring so fast ahead of us in the Destination membrane, that we ever left earth? If the Virus has the ability to leave a world barren, how can we tell if it is another world?

Time inside the membrane does in theory move 85 x the million years it took for life to evolve on earth

I am not trying to disprove the theory. I see butterfly Nebula as a valid option. Just exploring additional avenues.
Coordinates: 17 13 44.211 -37 06 15.94

[solar nova]

The problem is there's nothing of interest at that particular location given everything else we have info on.

The coordinates are also such a perfect match, I don't believe you can just stick random specific coords into Google and find some random interstellar object most of the time.

[austere depot]

True. Which is why I do not intent to drop the ball on said theory 👍

[austere depot]

I see where you are coming from and I do not wholeheartedly agree. The tectonic plates are moving away from one another, meaning it grows deeper. Slowly, yes, but time moves 85 times faster inside said membrane. It could have reached our timelines and soared past them some millions of years ago by the time we get there.

The black crystals would be harder to explain, yet, if the virus mutations are capable of growing those... still, not sufficient data 😶

[solar nova]

I'm a little confused as to what this is saying.

The mid-Atlantic ridge naturally fills itself in. It's also, like, a ridge.

[austere depot]

Fair enough.

[austere depot]

True what you are saying there. Still, I'll persist.

[eternal talon]

The log that was eventually cracked was also on the santonian industries website, not in-game. It is isolated from the worldline shenanigans

[austere depot]

👀 fascinating 👀

around what Rundown? R6?

[eternal talon]

Pre-release for either r6.5 or r7. I don't recall which

After we had already been to destination, though.

[deft oracle]

Hey can anyone give me a run down on the lore in laymens terms like a summary? Interested

[sinful obsidian]

explain like were todlers

.

[burnt wren]

There is a "for dummies" document in the pins, although it is lengthy.

Tldr: we dug too deep, found something nasty.
Bad virus, real bad, bio weapon levels of bad.
Either you die or turn into one of the monsters. Within a month or two too.

Virus got out. No immunity, no vaccine. Outside world is fucked and population is dropping like flies.

We are stuck working for Warden and doing... Whatever it is he's working on. We have no idea.

[toxic wagon]

Remember. Hackett volunteered for this

[strange grove]

don't forget about chimp theory

[burnt wren]

I don't forget, but i refuse.

[strange grove]

but its confirmed tho

[deft oracle]

what is it

[strange grove]

right here

[eternal talon]

why you got to troll

[fossil kernel]

The chimp theory has been confirmed by various credible sources

[eternal talon]

Give me one single verifiable source from 10cc.

I will wait. I have all day.

We are not clones, the closest even to that are the Units from Project Rise. There are countless references to the origin of Legionmembers

From each of our player character's bacstories, to the US prison system

A community member isn't credible, not even me. You need facts to back up and support your statements, especially when trying to pass something off as "confirmed"

I happily provide all of my sources to anyone who asks. So I ask for yours

Normally trolling isn't a big deal to be, but they asked for official lore. It's nothing short of misinformation to claim something verifiably false as true, KNOWINGLY to someone wanting to learn the lore. Truly boils my blood

[fossil kernel]

One day i had a very high fever and was very delirious,but then out of nowhere jesus christ,buddha and cthulhu appeared to me and said, the sleepers... They're chimps you must tell everyone. And thats whats really happend

[eternal talon]

It's like going to a space camp and pretending to be a teacher only to tell the group that the moon landing was faked.

It's discrediting the hard work of everyone in here to piece together the Swiss cheese that is this game's lore

[fossil kernel]

Dummy the moon isnt real

[fossil kernel]

Mate try to put the lore together with all the changes,retcons and cut content

Its not like im discrediting everyone whos trying to do that

[eternal talon]

I will not speak to you any further unless it is to correct further misinformation.

[fossil kernel]

Lol

[eternal talon]

The "for dummies" document in the pins is what you are looking for. It covers all information pre-apocalypse (before gameplay). While it does not include details from ALT//r3, the additions to the lore are minor enough to not warrant an update to the document until likely ALT//r4

I'll probably have to sort it into an "ALT//Pre-Apocalypse section anyway, since there are two backgrounds now and what is true for one isn't necessarily true for the other

[strange grove]

when have i ever trolled

[fossil kernel]

The chimp theorists must unionize

[strange grove]

so true

we have been silenced for too long

[fossil kernel]

🐵✊

Chimps

[strange grove]

🇸🇬

[burnt wren]

You know what... Never mind.

[fossil kernel]

Chimps aside

I hope

Really hope that alt r4 add something significant to the lore

Atleast something big

[strange grove]

perhaps a gorilla

[fossil kernel]

R3 just had the voice logs from mr.truth

[fossil kernel]

Hmm mayhaps

[strange grove]

that's Mr. Truth to you

[fossil kernel]

Oh sorry

I hope the 120.000 chimps in garganta are ok tho

[finite vine]

well yea because most of it uses made up concepts. remember when we learned about the MWP? those concepts were literally from quantum mechanics, and initially we thought it was relativity, that physics shit definitely screws with your brain lmao. But then we got that one log that just used "Quantum Frequency", which is a made up term, to explain it lol.

yea its basically parallel universes

[strange grove]

🤓

[finite vine]

its really interesting though

[strange grove]

🤓

[hard linden]

what are the chips for anyway

[strange grove]

you forgot the m

[fossil kernel]

The alternative universe thing i kinda dont care

The only thing that really has my attetion is the sleeper parasite and virus

I really want to know how it change the human body

How other species act

Hell i even want to know how the sleepers reproduce

Like

We got the babies from the mother

But also got coocons

[burnt wren]

Personally... I don't even know what to care about anymore. NOTHING interesting gets explored, characters get their voicelines cut out, possibility for an interesting (good) ending is effectively next to 0, humanity (and thus all interesting characters) is dead.
I think the only thing i care for is the Inner Sanctum and whatever devs might do with that. If there will be no cursed alien tileset with a giant alien WTF bossfight in R8 - my disappointment shall be immeasurable.

[fossil kernel]

Thsts Fucking true

Why do they have to cut cool stuff

[burnt wren]

Dead Space 3 had many problems. The ending area was not one.

[fossil kernel]

I had so much hope the we would get something alien looking on R7

Atleast a glimpse idk

[burnt wren]

Imagine hinting at aliens and giving us nothing to work with for 80% of the game's lifespan and content

Best directive decisions only, join today

[solar nova]

That's not really a directive decision so much as an abandonment issue.

They have to wrap it up somehow.

[fossil kernel]

I hope so

I love this game and its kinda sad to see it being mistreated

Anyway

Chimps n chomps

[hard linden]

you can really tell that the air quality is crap in the game because prisonners have to strap an entire ventilation system on their faces

[deft oracle]

so is there any bitches in this game?

[eternal talon]

... I'm not going to answer that question.

[finite vine]

*are there

prediction: the allens are actually humans from a separate world line

[fossil kernel]

well

once i drawed a scout with big gazongas

but thats it

im not proud of it

[fossil kernel]

if the devs would pull this twist off i would funni scream

[strange grove]

yes

[strange grove]

but you should be

[heavy lynx]

I have a question

Does anyone have a summary sheet on the lore?

[sweet barn]

id also like to know

[queen gazelle]

Check the pins

[heavy lynx]

does anyone know what is the diffrent between Decision Intelligence and artifical intelligence

english isnt my first language so im having problem trying to understand gtfo lore for dummy

[eternal talon]

An AI is standard, a DI is specialized. A DI is an AI that is designed to think as its sole purpose. It's job is to make the best decisions possible to accomplish a certain task or set of tasks.

[burnt wren]

While artificial is basically a living creature with thoughts and goals, I guess?

We tend to use AI very broadly when it's not applicable.

All the AI that blew up recently are not really AIs. They are just pretenders. Very good ones, but there's no actual thoughts process or will behind, ignoring the goals of the creators.

Just very advanced pattern recognition.

Anyone remembers when valve released a learning bot for DOTA?

All they did just gave it simple parameters : dying bad, killing good, earning gold good...

And then just let it run wild.

First couple of games it was learning how to move.

After a thousands matches it now can contest best dota players.

It's just pure form of min maxing through trial and error.

[heavy lynx]

this hurt my brain a lot

but still can understand it

is there any theory on what the warden want?

i can understand why warden want us to restore power

but why does it need to open the hsu

why does the warden make us find a dna sample

does the warden make us do the secondary/overload objective

[burnt wren]

Nope, zero, nada.

Only theories.

[heavy lynx]

whats the theory

and also, does the warden have consious?

[burnt wren]

1. cure
2. freedom
3. just trying to keep complex operational for the sake of it
4. god knows what else

We have a theory that Warden is so desperate to create hormone-masked Neonates to replace us, because it's too much hassle to have us fight every fucking horde there is when neonates can just bypass them and work in peace.

But to what end... Unknown.

[heavy lynx]

wait

what is neonates?

is that even a human

[burnt wren]

Oh. Uh. Have you been around during R6?

[heavy lynx]

nope

[burnt wren]

@eternal talon show this man some neonates

[heavy lynx]

i have been here since alt r1

[burnt wren]

Tldr: artificial human beings.

NOT clones.

From scratch.

[heavy lynx]

is that the weird baby in r7d1

[burnt wren]

Yes.

[heavy lynx]

the weird opening the baby thing that i still dont know what does it do

is there any diffrent in r6

like are they fully grown up and working in r6?

[burnt wren]

There was one, yes.

Currently dead. Schaeffer hit it with a pipe a couple of times.

[heavy lynx]

uhmm

how dum was schaeffer?

the man that get us almost ded in r7c3

[burnt wren]

Not dum, insane.

[heavy lynx]

and r7d2

[clear furnace]

bet E1 could probably go on that list as well

[heavy lynx]

im not gonna say he is insane bc if he is insane we would get our ass biten

[burnt wren]

The thing tried to talk to him, but he refused to listen. Just got angry and beat it to death.

[clear furnace]

Oh so it wasn't a weird sleeper thing

[heavy lynx]

we call that the dumm montage

dumm and also smart

hmm

[clear furnace]

I heard somwhere the artifical humans were part of a program called legion, is that correct?

[burnt wren]

I don't think so. WE are the legion. Brainwashed convicts.
Artificial soldiers were part of RISE program, but it is unconfirmed.

[clear furnace]

ah ok gotcha

[burnt wren]

@heavy lynx

[heavy lynx]

oh god

tha man

poor him

getting smack in thaa head bc of that dumb schaffer

but the artificial human looks weird

he looks not like normal

[eternal talon]

he's not. the units (created via project rise) are mutants. humans spliced with genetic data and research with NAM-V, which is what makes them invisible to the sleepers. its possibly pheromone masking or other similar feature.

not to mention the MASSIVE issues with growing a human to adult size in seconds

[heavy lynx]

are they invisible to sleepers?

or are they the nam-v

[burnt wren]

Mostly.

Scouts can still feel them though.

[eternal talon]

realistically, it shouldn't be possible whatsoever, as our expert says @rocky wraith

[burnt wren]

But the hordes can't find what was it that triggered it.

[clear furnace]

THATS IN THE LORE??

[eternal talon]

nam-v is simply the name for the virus. sleepers are a combination of the virus and the parasite.

the parasite is named Parasitidae Garganta

[burnt wren]

We have an audio log of a neonate trying to talk to a scout and triggering it.

[heavy lynx]

i have a strange feeling

[clear furnace]

link?

[eternal talon]

gimme a bit, i'll go fetch

was going to anyway

[heavy lynx]

are the neonate a sleepers

but with something of

[eternal talon]

technically no because they aren't infected with the parasite

[heavy lynx]

its like zombie but with consious

[heavy lynx]

i mean

[eternal talon]

they aren't meat puppets. they are still "humans" though their mental capacity is locked to that of a small child, despite their adult size

[heavy lynx]

the warden told us to go get mom dna sample

so

just maybe, the warden want to create a new species

by combining the gene of mom+ normal human

it sound weird

[clear furnace]

Makes you real curious as to what R8 could be about

[heavy lynx]

yea

[rocky wraith]

MLAM

[heavy lynx]

the warden could be strong enough

it could have feeling

it could think

[clear furnace]

Imagine we get a WARDEN boss fight

[heavy lynx]

ya know, when warden have consious

[heavy lynx]

that wouldnt make sense

[clear furnace]

I do wonder where its mainframe is located

[heavy lynx]

unless by some miracle, the guys have their memory back

and the dumb scaffer stop killing the team

[heavy lynx]

do we have a text translate to this

[eternal talon]

like a transcription? yeah. the wiki team has all of them transcribed

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Logs

[heavy lynx]

and what the freck is that creepy sound

[eternal talon]

we do the research, wiki team archives

personally i've been studying the lore here with my friends for over a year.

and i first started playing GTFO in OG/R1

[rocky wraith]

our squad slowly recovers memory the more they endure "high-stress" situations

[eternal talon]

quite a few people in here are IRL experts in these fields like Beanz and Punkthulu

[heavy lynx]

if u define high stress by schaffer being dumb and trying to kill his team then yes

[eternal talon]

nothing like convoluted lore to build connections with experts

[heavy lynx]

which rundown is this?

[rocky wraith]

every drop is high stress x3

[rocky wraith]

R6CX

[eternal talon]

its in the extension for r6.

Y6T-UH7-811

here ya go https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs#Y6T-UH7-811

[heavy lynx]

and also, what tha hec is a mimic

[eternal talon]

an unofficial and outdated term for unit 22

just the adult/fully grown neonates

this guy

there was originally quite a lot of speculation if it was a neonate or if it was an unknown sleeper variant

[heavy lynx]

oh gos

i dont want to think

if that is a sleeper variant

oh gosh

[rocky wraith]

luckily its just the WRDNs continuation of the RISE project

[eternal talon]

speculation is what we do best but getting concrete verifiable information is the best, like the allens. Like for half a year, all we had for concrete proof was this dumb ruin

[heavy lynx]

also, how do u guys read the logs that like a program

[eternal talon]

a LOT of research. there are over 200 logs

its pure dedication

[heavy lynx]

how even is that possible

[eternal talon]

being bored and working part-time on disability

i have mountains of free time

[rocky wraith]

time and being bored

Plus as you deep dive the rabbit hole it only gets cooler

[eternal talon]

GTFO lore is an entire hobby by itself

you could write an entire multi-page college essay on world-lines and destination by itself

and that is only one miniscule piece of the lore

[heavy lynx]

hmm

1 more thing

is schaffer infected?

[eternal talon]

yes, but we dont know how he is not dead.

[rocky wraith]

we are all infected

[eternal talon]

NAM-V is 100% lethal within 5 weeks.

[heavy lynx]

im reading the thing

[eternal talon]

he has been down here for years

but that isnt even the biggest plot hole with him

the discrepancy is much bigger

[heavy lynx]

and it said the mimic and schaffer are friend

[rocky wraith]

Is it? I thought we had agreed it was a mixed bag?

[heavy lynx]

so is the neonate infected?

[rocky wraith]

with our own special strain probably

[heavy lynx]

so is the theory that the warden is trying to create a creature still possible?

[rocky wraith]

Oh its definite

R7D1 practically proved it

[heavy lynx]

not a normal creature

a boss

an entity that infused with the virus

[rocky wraith]

oh, then probs? maybe making a body for itself? o

we don't know yet

[heavy lynx]

a type of evovle i woul say

[rocky wraith]

but its a probability with the neural cybernetics

[heavy lynx]

my theory is that the warden infuse the virus, the neonate that the dumb schaffer smack was the prototype, and the warden is working on something cheesy

[eternal talon]

Since the WHO officially labeled the NAM-V virus as a pandemic, the number of reported cases has spiked. In part that is due to a more concerted testing effort, but it is also a sign of just how quickly this virus is spreading. Unlike previous pandemics (Hook, COVID19 – 21, Respo-Z2), this one debilitates its victims. There is no stay-at-home solution. If you have NAM-V, you need medical support. The long-term effects of the virus are still unknown, but once you start to feel the tightening in your bones and the persistent hallucinations you will need medical supervision, or the end will be swift. Medical intervention is the only thing that can slow the decline. Even if the patient does manage to survive the initial onslaught of the virus, it will remain in their system and can strike again without warning. Once you are isolated with NAM-V, you stay isolated.

Transition from initial diagnosis to cellular collapse takes approximately 5 weeks. We have yet to discover what happens thereafter. I will keep you posted.

[heavy lynx]

this is actually getting dark

hmmmm

gtfo lore is fun

[eternal talon]

the surface has been in an apocalypse for half a decade when the game starts.

there are likely only a few million humans left alive at MOST

and the earth, well, ALT// earth, will NEVER recover

since sleepers are on the surface

[rocky wraith]

I think the key here is that surviving the initial onslaught puts the virus in remission until later

[eternal talon]

also note the first quote comes from the W.H.O. and the second comes from KOVAC

[heavy lynx]

the human will not recover for sure

[eternal talon]

ultimately, i don't think it really matters given death is assured either way

[rocky wraith]

I think the second one refers to combination of virus and parasite

[heavy lynx]

but yea, the warden is being cheesy

[eternal talon]

for schaeffer in the complex, he is getting constantly exposed

[rocky wraith]

unless given HSU treatment

[heavy lynx]

tha man, he is evoving

[eternal talon]

which the W.H.O. in the first quote didn't know about

[heavy lynx]

he will be the king

and tha warden will create a queen

hmmmm

[eternal talon]

kraken go brr

[heavy lynx]

kraken is nothing

[rocky wraith]

potentially once the virus is in the incubation stage past the initial onslaught, and given HSU treatment would kill off the virus inside him, he may have partial immunity or antibodies

[clear furnace]

Also I'm still curious, what is KDS Deep?

[heavy lynx]

i think kraken is created by the hive to protect the virus just like giant

[rocky wraith]

storage section for hsus

[rocky wraith]

I reckoned it was from the previous alien civilisation that has evolved over millions of years

[eternal talon]

second quote is from "Subject Analysis" LOCS-43W-MOA-D
it is directly after the quote about viral load increasing even when parasite is removed
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=e42bda18f22a46df8d3efe49ededcfe3&pm=s

[clear furnace]

So by getting to KDS deep we gave the Warden a whole bunch of new prisoners?

[heavy lynx]

it could be

[rocky wraith]

thats at late stage tho and with parasite in combination, HSU is keeping him safe from that

[clear furnace]

I hope we get to see more of these purely alien enemies instead of the typical sleepers

[eternal talon]

24,000 KSOs. This is why it was so important for the WRDN to get into it

[heavy lynx]

but the game will be alot creepyer if warden decide to create a queen with the ability to link all of the mind

[rocky wraith]

Yup, Frostty and me ran the numbers

[eternal talon]

in total complex has 32,000

[heavy lynx]

24000 still asleep people that got memory reset

[eternal talon]

before r5e1 WRDN was running with 8,000 total legionaries

[heavy lynx]

24000 testing subject for the warden

[eternal talon]

well, "up to"

[clear furnace]

So are they prisoners for expeditions ?

[eternal talon]

not test subjects, soldiers. active military for Kovac Defense Services. WE are KSOs

[clear furnace]

Gotcha

[eternal talon]

"Kovac Security Operatives"

[heavy lynx]

we used to be

then maybe

the warden was thinking something dark

[eternal talon]

everyone in our squad except dauda are KSOs. we still work for biocom as standard, biocom itself is just being controlled by the warden

[heavy lynx]

something sussy

[eternal talon]

with schaeffer in the mix after r7e1, we now have two bosses

its best described as "two puppeteers controlling the same set of strings" in regards to schaef and the wrdn

[heavy lynx]

is there any chance that schaffer mental is f up

[eternal talon]

100%. he had a rough childhood to put it mildly

[clear furnace]

Most definitely

[heavy lynx]

because of the virus, it doesnt kill but it change his head

[eternal talon]

and wasn't meant to even get a job at garganta in the first place

[heavy lynx]

it f up his head

[eternal talon]

we have his personnel ID

we also have the unredacted version, i can go look for it

https://www.santonianindustries.com/intranet/services/export/db453x913/go/hash=9j3G!j-M!ozjMuFCqp.JZdtYoha4sQNtqk6mX_bR64eZCvVvtgU8HZ4@C2fNJm!bpyKQd3iwgwnmTw6dqgXER!ntQUYDhquvGXPe

it was sent out as an email a while ago during r6

[heavy lynx]

do u have a verson that is easier to understand

im too lazy to google translate all of this

[rocky wraith]

There is also the mental deterioration from the HSU's, that had the most profound effect

[eternal talon]

open this in browser

its a website link

[heavy lynx]

but it seem like schaffer mental health is f up

[rocky wraith]

yeah cuz of the hsu

you can hear the before and after of it

[eternal talon]

that only compounded it, honestly

but nowadays he is 100% batshit

[clear furnace]

Also how did sleepers end up on Destination?

[eternal talon]

they came from there

but if you mean human sleepers,

from the expeditions that insight did to the surface

[clear furnace]

Ah that makes sense, makes you wonder how many people they sent

[clear furnace]

In R6DX we see that massive facility, wonder how many people worked there

[eternal talon]

realistically, i'd say a couple hundred minimum.

it connects to the surface part in r6bx aswell

[clear furnace]

That also makes me think, is there any evidence they encountered the flyers on destination? I know they found one in the mines.

[eternal talon]

yes. EF01 did in the caves

or some other unknown variant, that was hunting them and picking them off one by one like a fuckin' slasher movie

[clear furnace]

Sounds like the Snatcher

[eternal talon]

can't be. that one WAS man-made and not a natural variant.

[clear furnace]

Sorry for all the questions but why were they making monsters? Just to experiment?

[eternal talon]

the normal specimen tanks are much smaller

[eternal talon]

kovac does what kovac does
shrugs

[clear furnace]

lol, maybe just a representation of humanities curiosity

[strange grove]

is roblox cannon in the gtfo universe

[rocky wraith]

RISE program

[finite vine]

yes

[clear furnace]

GTFO roblox game

[finite vine]

I wonder why the devs decided to remake and re-release all the previous rundowns, and take like literally a year to do it. Why not just release them instead of remake them, I just wanna play R8 and be done with this game already lmao

[amber ibex]

because the old rundowns took like 2 hours as a minimum and if you die once without hitting the checkpoints you have to do it again

[finite vine]

They are making them easier?

oh didn't know that

[amber ibex]

maybe not easier

[finite vine]

I thought they were not chaning much with the old rundowns at all

[amber ibex]

just shorter

[finite vine]

ah ok

[amber ibex]

bc ehenever I wanted to play, I always had to check "do I have 3 hours free time?" and 90% of the time its a no

so I could not play GTFO

[finite vine]

but still, are they trying to just draw the lifespan of GTFO out and work on their other game in parallel, potentially to reduce the time between the "end" of GTFO and the "start" of their new game? Like I don't really understand what they are doing honestly.

[finite vine]

yea true

[amber ibex]

improving the way the levels are formatted so they are more enjoyable and less time commitments?

[finite vine]

yea I guess that makes sense, I have not played any of the alt rundowns, and I honestly did not see anyone talking about them being shorter, guess I missed that

[strange grove]

They’re actually about the same, it’s just that we have better weapons now, and the player base is generally better at the game

[finite vine]

ok cool, I should probably just play ALT R3 or watch some videos for comparison because I really remember R3

[strange grove]

They added a couple of new things (mostly hybrids) and the layouts are different because of the asinine way that they make levels

[finite vine]

lmao

[burnt wren]

Remember when l4d made custom levels that are fresh to this day?

I remember. I play them every day.

[solemn kraken]

None of the levels except R2C1 have been made shorter tho

[burnt wren]

Also most levels don't take 3 hours, unless you keep reloading same checkpoint.

2 hours seems to be the worst it gets, and only on badly played PE runs with excessive hoarding.

[solemn kraken]

True.

[plush nest]

Who ever designed the complex must have been on something cause there is so many redundant rooms

And security doors

Unless those were put in later

Also why the alarms on some security doors? Like are people just not supposed to go in there ?

[eternal talon]

its randomly generated

the devs didnt design every detail that way and honestly, its quite a hinderance for detailed level design

[solar nova]

Presumably we just don't have the security access and the Warden has to pull some strings to let us in.

[plush nest]

So I assume the alarm tripping is a case of the warden trying to do things that they shouldn’t be ?

[solar nova]

Basically. The complex was not designed for KSOs to go wherever, and it just so happens that alarms attract unwanted attention.

Just a bit unlucky, y'know.

[plush nest]

Kinda like the warden saying “hey you need to go in there but I am going to have to make some noise to do so”

That makes alarms much more terrifying, just sort of waiting till the warden is done with his thing as you hear the sleepers screaming in the distance

[solar nova]

A lot of our objectives are just trying to get access to places or find stuff, even.

Stuff that was originally standard procedure needs to be recreated by teams of 4 people just trying to do simple tasks.

[keen mantle]

Pretty much.

Except for R6DX… which is just to check the status on the Unit

[eternal talon]

Only at the very end. We were doing to uplinks to confirm the genetic data recovered from r6d1. The "confirm status of unit 22" was an OH SHIT objective

We did one uplink in garganta, and three on destination during the staircase of death

[eternal talon]

Wait a fucking second these two are almost COMPLETELY different... hint at ALT//s??

[eternal talon]

^

[plush nest]

wait they applied to work there?

[keen mantle]

What do you mean an OH SHIT objective?

[plush nest]

I thought they were all prisoners or is that only our group?

if i am being dumb which is quite the possibility just tell me

[finite vine]

could you elaborate? not really sure what your asking

[plush nest]

if someone applied to work there its typically volentary, but i thought that all the characters were prisoners and forced to be there

the file said to look at john's resume, implying that he wanted to work there is my guess unless they just stole it off of him

[finite vine]

so people that worked at the complex were either paid workers by santonian, kovac, or other miscellaneous companies like nyxos, ect. These people are just normal workers that are paid to do things at the complex.

Then there are the KSO's, which are kovac security operatives. Their procurement by kovac was questioned by the public, as it should be, because kovac literally took normal prisoners from the united states, or volunteers that knew about project LEGION, and in bishops case, trafficked and kidnaped people, and literally brainwashed them so BIOCOM could control them and they could be the ultimate compliant soldier for the complex.

When the complex fell to the sleepers and NAM-V, all KSO's were ordered by BIOCOM to go back to hydrostasis in KDS deep. Thats why some of our group are considered prior KSO's. (Bishop, Woods, Hackett)

Then there were the regular workers, like Dauda and Schaeffer, that wanted to escape the horrors of the sleepers or starvation, and just put themselves in hydrostasis. Then the Warden obtained all of these hydrostasis pods in its system, so thats why Dauda and Schaeffer were previous employees of santonian or kovac, and are in the Wardens hands.

[plush nest]

ah that makes much more sense, thank you

[finite vine]

np

[fossil kernel]

i wonder how many people died in gargant in the initial outbreak

is there any number on that?

[toxic wagon]

A lot

[eternal talon]

seems like it, if they didn't seek him out.

[eternal talon]

we only get that objective after the audio log with schaeffer bashing u22's brains in. -- after our main objective is already done

wrdn sends us immediately to quote "confirm status of unit 22"

it kinda explains itself. it heard the log through us and got scared it's toy was killed

and it was

[eternal talon]

most come from the US prison system. Schaef wasn't a KSO like us. he worked for an entirely different company, SMC, as middle management

[eternal talon]

the only one of our characters and the only character we know at all that volunteered (the chief scientist sounded shocked that they did on the audio log) was hackett -- and he's a sociopath

[burnt wren]

I'm honestly surprised Warden didn't straight up sent us to kill Schaeffer when it had the chance.

[heavy lynx]

i want to kill him

rlly do

[burnt wren]

And now he got to make another move and look where its getting us.

[heavy lynx]

after all of the dumb shrimp that schaffer do

that almost kill us

[eternal talon]

schaeffer is careful to not show himself because the wrdn literally can order us to kill him and we cannot resist.

[burnt wren]

And yet we did and follow his commands instead.

[eternal talon]

we have only as much free will as the warden gives us

[burnt wren]

I still don't understand how that happened.

[heavy lynx]

i dont need tha warden to order us to kill him

i will kill him myself

[eternal talon]

because like in a1, b1, etc, he locked down doors. forced wrdn's hand

[burnt wren]

Yeah, but... D2.

[eternal talon]

and by the time with c1 and d1, his scenanigans are out of hand

[heavy lynx]

that frucking dumb guy that get us all killed

almost ded to be exact

[eternal talon]

d2 he cut the brakes on the lift. we weren't where the warden thought we were

it says it in-game

[heavy lynx]

i wish he was there

[burnt wren]

Yeah but why would we follow his commands.

[heavy lynx]

so that i can kill him

[burnt wren]

Warden had nothing to do with the USB stick.

That was all us.

Why?

[eternal talon]

warden's control was limited for whatever reason. (out of range, etc). it told us to wait and be on standby before it could reconnect to us

[burnt wren]

Yeah but why do what Schaeffer wants?!

That's the problem.

[eternal talon]

our orders were to stay put and wait

[burnt wren]

It shows that we DO have free will.

[eternal talon]

schaeffer talked on comms and had us do his thing while we were temporarily free

[heavy lynx]

i think its because we are not where we suppose to be

[burnt wren]

We decided to do all that.

[heavy lynx]

and the stytem confuse

[burnt wren]

If we were good KSOs we would just chill for an hour before Warden would send the lift back.

[eternal talon]

that is what it says in game. that is not of question

[heavy lynx]

the warden be like what tha hec are u guys doing

[eternal talon]

artek is questioning its relavance to our freedom

and why we dont just turn into statues waiting

[heavy lynx]

this is my first time be in this situation

what do we do

warden panic montage

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

[heavy lynx]

i still think techniclly we still have our consious

[burnt wren]

I doubt it'd panic, more like getting annoyed: "Urgh, this rat again..."

[eternal talon]

as a squad by default we are already SIGNIFICANTLY more free than ALL other ksos

as seen with bishop during the ef01 logs

(among others)

[heavy lynx]

we know what we are doing, its just the warden give us order on what to do

[heavy lynx]

not rlly

this is tha first time mr schaffer stop the elevator and trying to get us killed

yea, tha frecking man that get us all killed

[eternal talon]

our squad is chaotic neutral, not lawful. lack of freedom is not to be mistaken for willing compliance

[heavy lynx]

almost

[eternal talon]

i mean look at the backstories of all of our squadmates

[fossil kernel]

idk why would our guys follow schaeffer

the warden provides everything for them

i love the warden

[heavy lynx]

i dont

but still, i also hate schaffer to the point that freck tha warden, im gonna do it by myself

warden, turn on maximum motivated music( bury the light) and give me my shotty

[plush nest]

He just straight up cut the brakes on the lift? That borderline sounds like he is trying to kill us

[heavy lynx]

techniclly the more correct way of saying it is turn on emergancy break

[keen mantle]

After all… who knows HOW he is going to handle things especially with WRDN in control of ALOT of things.

As a result of WRDN being distracted by the whole lift thing, Schaeffer managed to get us to do the USB to deal with the issue of WRDN a bit but… I’m pretty certain that this may have unintended consequences

[heavy lynx]

Like fruck the team up

Yea, schaffer need to kill us so that we wont kill him

Bc i will definately send schaffer to jeuss myself

[finite vine]

yep. imagine shutting down an DI that was literally conducting operations all over the complex... and then giving all of that responsibility to two people that have know idea what they are doing (Schaeffer and Henrickson) the warden was probably doing some pretty important things in terms of like keeping the sleepers at bay or just controlling the entire situation in general. I bet it will have unintended consequences in some regard.

[harsh pike]

Warden didn't really seem to be accomplishing much, Schaeffer and Henrikson are probably the 4's only chance of getting out

[plush nest]

I mean to be fair we don’t know what the warden is trying to do

They could have made up the whole world ending and what not to try and determine how effective the KSO operatives are

But I doubt that

[finite vine]

yea but the warden has like at least 20,000 KSO's and we know that it runs missions in parallel

[plush nest]

Is that what the random bangs and clangs of metal could be ?

[eternal talon]

Possibly. We have direct evidence for this though like r6c3 where we are literally sent in as a distraction

"Make as much noise as fucking possible so the other team doesn't get their throats torn out!" Type thing

[eternal talon]

I hate to break it to you but the entire world ended in an apocalypse half a decade before the game even starts...

I highly recommend reading the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel

[plush nest]

ya, thats why i but the i doubt that at the end because it simply wouldnt make sense

[strange grove]

Don’t believe her, she hasn’t seen the secret lore

[eternal talon]

I have seen -- and read a great many truths

[strange grove]

what about Mr. Truth

[eternal talon]

I'm not quite sure what you mean

Radio podcast man knows little

At the very least, his sources were how you say... exterminated

Be it by Kovac OPS or by sleepers

It's funny because one of his theories (about what was going on in garganta) was damn near spot on

So close, yet so far from the truth

I forget the exact audio log however

[strange grove]

ok but what about Dr. J.C. Truth?

[eternal talon]

I... don't know who you are referring to in that regard

[strange grove]

that would be Dr. John Chimp Truth

I wouldn't expect you to know, only real lore masters have found his log

[fossil kernel]

ah yes

Dr. Jonh Chimp Truth

PHD

[finite vine]

well we actually have no evidence that the entire world ended in an apocalypse. what we do know, is that in 2058 there was an organized project called the Daylight Project sent by the World Health Organization to find an origin and cure to NAM-V. What we also know, is that the Cuban government still had not fallen in 2058, and that they helped members from the Daylight Project get to Garganta to find a cure. In addition to this, there were also creatures on the surface near Garganta, so the world is not in a good state either. However, it would be far fetched to say that the "entire world ended in an apocalypse"

idk, seems like humanity is not completely fucked as soon as it seems, as the virus went airborne in 2054? and still 4 years later there are governments functioning and the WHO is still trying to find a cure.

[eternal talon]

did you forget that every single country went into isolation and NATO broke up?

[finite vine]

but with sleepers on the surface, and the property of NAM-V to literally mutate and take over entire species, well, it is not looking to good for the eco system of earth. I dont think humans can live in bunkers or on islands forever, especially if animals start becoming mutated and traveling across continents.

[fossil kernel]

well

[finite vine]

no, that just makes sense in a intense global pandemic... everyone starts going apeshit because they are just tying to stay alive

[fossil kernel]

i think humanity is not fucked

IF we find a cure

and like

fix everything

[eternal talon]

no natural immunity. that is already confirmed

[fossil kernel]

even if everyone is dead

[finite vine]

just because every single country went into isolation, does not mean the entire world is fucked

[fossil kernel]

there's the prisioners

[finite vine]

yea but what about schaeffer?

[fossil kernel]

theres bound to be female one

[fossil kernel]

but the point still stands

[eternal talon]

umm...

**the actions of the member states make it clear it is only a matter of time before full scale war breaks out among not one or two of the original NATO nations - but all of them. My beloved home country, this very Septic Isle, is already sinking refugee ships coming from France, Norway and Germany. Turkey and Greece are at it again, and Cyprus is caught in the crossfire. The Netherlands and Germany are defending their borders with military force and taking pot shots at each other whenever one dares poke their head out of the trenches. Even Spain and Portugal have threatened military action of the other one doesn't do something about those damned refugees. And among all this European chaos is the big daddy of them all, Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam is stone-cold quiet. He's got his own mess to deal with. **

[fossil kernel]

maybe there's non infected people on the hsus

[eternal talon]

its literally ww3

and this log is from 2054

[finite vine]

ok? so? the wars are breaking out because they don't want anyone to come into their countries, to stay isolated...

[eternal talon]

"pot shots" and "trenches" doesn't sound very okay

[finite vine]

and when too many people start getting sick wars are pointless so people will just stop killing each other and try to survive.

I wonder what "Uncle Sam is stone-cold quiet. He's got his own mess to deal with" means?

like what is different about the United states situation?

[eternal talon]

nam-v started its outbreak there. it is worse

both in texas and florida

[finite vine]

ah true, flordia

[fossil kernel]

i think the sleepers on the surface is more concernin than the virus

[eternal talon]

only in the alt// worldline so isn't a priority since there could and ARE earths without them

[finite vine]

yea but as of now, sleepers have only been seen outside of the yucatan, and only like a few miles from garganta, so its not like they are everywhere

[eternal talon]

our original worldline for example, had no confirmed sleepers on the surface

[fossil kernel]

not yet

[eternal talon]

sky is right on this one

i can vouch

[fossil kernel]

i know

[finite vine]

yea, but sleepers cannot swim or cross oceans. shit really starts to get bad when NAM-V starts to infect and mutate water/ air based life imho

[fossil kernel]

just speculating

exactly

[eternal talon]

a discrepancy. one among many.

[finite vine]

well given enough time i bet sleepers could migrate up to the US and down to South america

[finite vine]

yea, but when you say there is no natural immunity, and its been proven as a fact, when we know that Schaeffer should be dead by now, is just wrong. We know that the WHO said there appears to be no natural immunity, but things can change and new information can be gathered

[eternal talon]

[inaudible] every day the World Health Organization recommends all people remain isolated until further notice there is still no treatment for the nam vee [inaudible] currently no vaccination [inaudible] misinformation and misdiagnosis [inaudible[ there is no naturally occurring immunity from nam vee due [inaudible]

[finite vine]

yes evidence to my case, that's the log im quoting

[eternal talon]

schaeffer already has plot holes deeper than fucking black holes

him not being dead is far from the most problematic thing regarding him

for all we know he's a fucking android

[finite vine]

I wouldn't say that's problematic, I would say that's a good thing, there might be a chance to survive NAM-V

[finite vine]

lmao true

but yea I get what ur saying problematic story wise

[eternal talon]

schaeffer discrepancy

with him going against the fundamental laws of time i doubt him surviving nam-v longer than expected is hardly of significance

its far from what is to be expected

for any of us

[plush nest]

since we are getting alt versions, does that mean the the original story is essentially "scrapped"? or will we have two different stories and only one is playable?

[eternal talon]

Its complicated

Put simply, we had our original worldline. Sometime during r7 we ended up merging our worldline with ALT//s. We are playing the alt rundowns in real time.

Alt's universe just went slower than ours did, since we did our own r1-5 originally

R1->r2->r3->r4->r5->r6->r7->ALTS

[plush nest]

so the alts are the same series of events, they are just running at say a couple months or years behind the "normal" ones?

[burnt wren]

Probably. Either that or it's some kind of CCTV footage from Warden that he got access to. Which is what I prefer to believe.

Mostly because our characters do not seem to acknowledge doing same shit again in any way and I just don't believe it.

[hasty snow]

Schaeffer birthday next week~

[heavy lynx]

im gonna put a bomb into his birthday cake

and blew him up into the moon

for trying to kill me 4 time

[plush nest]

Can the warden communicate with alternative versions of themselves sort of like a hive mind across different universes ?

[burnt wren]

We don't know for certain, but it is a possibility. Would explain why warden is so proactive.

[heavy lynx]

if the teleporting device work like a bridge across multiverse then yes, but i dont believe that

[clear furnace]

You know what I just thought of? You could visit the butterfly nebula in Elite dangerous.

[plush nest]

That’s what I was thinking, they seem to be acting based on a possibility but then that possibility occurs and they can solve it

So I was think that the warden might be using other wardens as a test sort of to see what is in the future and what it needs

[burnt wren]

More so it would explain the sheer computing power of the bastard that he would need to manipulate neonate DNA as he does.

[plush nest]

That to, he kinda just does it as if it’s nothing

[lost drum]

Hi all. I am bad at understanding history, but I have questions and would be interested in reading the answers. In the form of theories or some clues.

Who is Schaeffer?

How does Mimic know Warden?

Who is Warden? (At least roughly?)

Why did the parallel universe begin to affect our universe?

As I understand it, Schaeffer survived because he was in hydrostasis. Where is he now, along with Henriksson?

What is at the bottom of the Garganta? Why do all the Rundowns show different levels, and what is the "Storm" at the bottom?

Why do monsters mutate in Charger? What is the black substance that appears next to them?

Is Warden following the KDS plan?

And lastly, could it be that Warden is looking for a way to fix everything and roll back time, while Schaeffer ruins everything because he doesn't understand the situation?

[eternal talon]

Hi, please read the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel. It is a highly detailed lore summary. I am currently busy, but will respond to each of your questions myself in about an hour if that is okay

(If someone else in here doesn't want to)

[lost drum]

Thank you very much, I will definitely read it

I will say in advance that I have read most of the information from the Fandom wiki, but I may have missed or forgotten something. I apologize in advance

[eternal talon]

No need to apologize.

The "for dummies" document is the culmination and collection of over a years worth of digging and fact checking by myself and several wonderful IRL experts (and a ton of regulars in here!)

[verbal hull]

funny fun

[lost drum]

I read all the lore (including your "for dummies" document) with this playlist in the background - https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR0IDM31ZBoOXLn2Xsi1oMHB64bIf748h It's very interesting, and scary. Reading the lore of other games, I have not experienced such fear. Terrific work on the atmosphere.

[eternal talon]

Any questions left unanswered?

Schaeffer is a LV3 pit-boss who worked for santonian as middle management. As far as we are aware, he was the last human survivor in garganta.

The units (mimic is an extremely outdated term) are repurposed subjects from the RISE project (basically mutants) who are invisible to the sleepers due to being spliced with genetic material from NAM-V

They still have the mental capacity of children however, and view the warden as a sort of father

The warden is an AI that was injected into the biocom network. We do not know how or why, but we have narrowed down by whom to one of two possibilities: the allens, or KOVAC executives

We don't know why our universes merged. It is still unknown and a great mystery with zero hints

[strange grove]

i think the chimps did it

[eternal talon]

He survived due to hydrostasis yes, it is likely he is still getting around via the vent network (sus)

[strange grove]

he did not survive and was reaplaced with an advanced chimp clone

[eternal talon]

We found one of his hideouts in r6cx, but we do not know his current hideout

Ignore r2d1, they are trolling

[lost drum]

If it moves through the vent, how does it communicate with us? How does he operate the doors together with Henriksson? I thought they were in some kind of control center or something.

[strange grove]

i am not trolling

[eternal talon]

Below garganta is the inner, fossil, or egg. It is an allen ship. The "storm" is just menu flair. It means nothing

[strange grove]

very rude of you to tell people to ignore me

[eternal talon]

There are different variants of the parasite that seem to determine the type of sleeper that is mutated. The charger is just one of these mutated humans. The only alien sleepers we have ever encountered as far as is confirmed is the kraken, floater, and giant floater

The "charger gunk" is an unnoficial term for the biomass you refer to. We do not know it's purpose, though it's probably some sort of hive

We do not know the Warden's goals, so I cannot tell you if it is following KOVAC's instructions

Again, we don't know what the Warden's goals are so I can't say

[eternal talon]

Nope, just doing work through terminals. I'd assume he is traveling together with henrikkson. Even their hideout in r6cx was just a cleaning cupboard.

They are communicating with us via the "HEARSAY" system, installed by Kovac. It's plugged into basically everything

It's both a PA network and a way to spy on employees

[lost drum]

Thank you so much for the answers! It means a lot to me. Now I can tell everything I've read to my team) You are a wonderful person!

[eternal talon]

If you ever have anything else, I am ALWAYS here.

[strange grove]

im here too

with the real answers

[eternal talon]

I work directly with a bunch of other dedicated nerds to catalogue the lore

[lost drum]

That's really funny, thank you too)

[strange grove]

les gooo

[graceful frost]

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