gtfo-lore

[solar nova]

Wanted to check since I wasn't able to dig it out of DataBlocks

[harsh saffron]

I think that was the one that showed up 2 times for some reason.

[solar nova]

Oh, interesting...

[eternal talon]

Woah

[harsh saffron]

Ah nvm that was another one

[solar nova]

Isn'

t that in R6?

Or was it the R7B2 log that repeated?

W8, I'm thinking of the R6 one with mistimed voice lines.

[harsh saffron]

Not super sure, just wrote down that I got the same log in D2 and C3 (R7)

[eternal talon]

This looks 100% changed. WTF was going on in alt?

[solar nova]

Wym?

[eternal talon]

Idk, I thought I read something I didn't. It's too early in the morning for this

Regardless, shit is getting creepier than an illithid infestation

[cunning light]

Ceremorphosis

Yum

[eternal talon]

It's not even that, it's the fucking intellect devourer o r g i e s

I swear, whoever wrote that lore was fucked in the head

Not only do they steal your character, they then run off and do unspeakable things with it. Banned at every table I've played at.

"Incapable of experiencing emotions or wallowing in the sins of physical pleasure on their own, intellect devourers are forced to steal bodies in order to indulge their gluttony, lust, and cruelty. Stories tell of entire cities of these creatures deep underground, where host bodies are worn like clothes to hideous org#es and vile feasts. Lone intellect devourers often dwell in ruins or caves on the edge of a civilized region so they can make periodic forays into town to “shop” for an attractive new body."

[cunning light]

Illithid lore is quite fucked up indeed ^^

[ember bluff]

You saw the images where the other artifacts contain different things too I assume?

Been like that for ages but I rarely see it discussed here, the other guys were going over essentially what strain of mutagen they thought each were.

[burnt wren]

Btw... Am I insane or is there something inside the artifacts.

Every so often lights fall on one just right and I swear theres something inside like a mosquito caught in ember

[real pewter]

there is something inside artifacts

[ember bluff]

Inside all of them, yes

A different thing in each

[hot burrow]

It’s gummy worms and cookies inside the rock candy

[ember bluff]

Egg in muted

[twin olive]

you can also see them with a thermal scope i think

[stone vine]

Ohhhh

wait i see

thankyou

i misunderstood that i thought warden was making that shit

i meant the actual thing that teleports

the thing they built not the rock

my wording is just bad

and very dumbed down

[plush sigil]

I always assumed the "tongues" strikers and other enemies hit you with from range IS the Parasite, considering it has a tapeworm-like mouth and it seems to be the source of the glow when they pulse since the tip is glowing

[eternal talon]

The rock is a part of the machine, not the entire thing

[eternal talon]

ehh, we cant really say for certain what it is. though we've known for a while now that it wasn't the intestines, which was the other running theory.

regardless, it wouldn't make sense for the parasite to leave the relative safety of its meat puppet and expose itself to attack when it could just do melee attacks like the chargers do.

[plush sigil]

Could be how it spreads infection. But our characters are in (somewhat) protective suits.

[eternal talon]

There is about a billion different ways nam-v spreads. It'd be easier to list how it doesn't.

[burnt wren]

Probably doesn't teleport in bloodstreams of potential victims, but with random fliers going in and out we can't even rule that one out

[stone vine]

yea

that’s exactly what i’m saying

🐌

i agree

[final sentinel]

I thought it was the esophagus/stomach

[stone vine]

the parasite repurposes and kind of takes over a specific body part

[final sentinel]

repurposed

[stone vine]

it’s the intestine

i’d say

based on how u can see it’s extremely swollen

small intestine specifically

remember the esophagus isn’t worm-like such as the intestine it’s more of a straight tube

for shooters it’s the head

not sure why different parasites relate to different genders

it could be that they relate to male and female specimen on destination

also tapeworm is a big hint to intestine btw

considering they basically infest ur intestine then leave through ur mouth if u starve them

very similar to how strikers work

what i really want to know

is why chargers are covered in that biomass

they aren’t developed with it we know this bc of leaks

they’re naked 🤨

do they just bathe in it

and also how is pablo even alive

i’m thinking tanks were basically a prototype of pablo

and that’s what they were trying to make

there’s so much weird stuff

somehow moms and dads have also an extremely strange connection

r3c1 mom scream plays on charger door and there are mom sacks hinting at the fact the r3d1 mom was in c1

c1 also funny enough has a geographical mismatch

tanks have mom sacks

moms have parts of chargers, strikers, and shooters in them

like

what on earth were they doing

they must have really been messing around with the parasites

we know pmom was man made but like why

tank man made

best i can think of is a lot of stuff was originally products of humans + parasite and everything was experimentation and the side effects of syringes and probably destination

aka artifact teleportation and exposure to destination

all those chargers in r7e1 are the people who “died” / dissapeared to destination plus the people that were stationed there

so i’m thinking the biomass (black stuff) is a mix of flesh and artifact

and probably parasites

that creates chargers

idk they seem to be focusing on enemy biology rn considering a lot of new lore is abt it but i want to see the experimentation logs

[ocean magnet]

I mean...... it still hits you, and imo its harder to dodge than chargers (though i only have limited experience). chargers also dont appear to have an orrafcae through which the parasite to come out. The theory that its the parasite is also supported by the fact that the sleepers are required to stay perfectly still when the parasite is attacking due to the fact that the parasite is "away from the helm" and has temporarily stopped controlling the host. (assuming it operates like a normal parasite)

[eternal talon]

Don't chargers? Does anyone have on had the steam trading card without the goop

[eternal talon]

Which they don't, they sorta just straife side to side

[harsh saffron]

Have we decided which enemies are described in this log btw? https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_3.0_Logs#7GY-HYP-SDW

The only ones that seem kinda obvious to me would the last two:
-Capreolatus, because he mentions "Discuss tendril hypotheses", so I would assume those are Scouts.
-Horridus, which can be translated to "rough, bristly or shaggy" and he mentions "purpose of keratinous growths unclear. does it charge under threat?", making it seem like he's talking about Chargers.

[ocean magnet]

what strafes side to side?

i also just think it makes a lot more sense. if its not the parasite then what is it? i mean, if you look at the tip of the "tongue" it seems like its glowing, which is very reminiscent of how the sleepers glow, I just assume that glow comes from the parasites

[solar nova]

W8, holy shit, enemy distinctions are canon?

[harsh saffron]

Seems like it ^^

[fossil kernel]

hey can someone send me the log that mention sleepers on the surface?

[harsh saffron]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_3.0_Logs#57H-K78-EVR

[fossil kernel]

thx

huh

the sleepers vanishing into goo is canon

didn't know that

[gilded dragon]

has anyone every attempted to put a cohesive document together with the lore? cause that would be much easier to read then trying to piece together the messages from the beginning of this channel

id love to have even a semblence of what the story is but i dont have a lot of time to try to read thru all of these messages

[eternal talon]

Yea? It'd be strange if they weren't at this point. Not really something they'd have to say in a log

[eternal talon]

Only... kind of, sometimes... depending on variant... it's another hole in the lore

Since we have physical bodies of light-strikers in various different levels that have been around for ages and aren't goop

[eternal talon]

The "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel?

It's a complete summary of pre-gamplay lore that I've been keeping up to date since r6.

[fossil kernel]

i forgot about that

[gilded dragon]

I didn’t realize that was a thing

[burnt wren]

Nobody does.

[gilded dragon]

So is destination the place you teleport to through r6?

[jaunty widget]

Should it be renamed to "for smarties" since only smart people can seem to find it?

[eternal talon]

yes. it is an extradimensional planet located in the butterfly nebula, 3k light years away.

[eternal talon]

its assumed, though if anyone ever asks about the lore or seems new I point them at it

i'm in here almost every day

[gilded dragon]

So are alpha 2 and destination the same place or different places in that nebula?

[solemn kraken]

Units are neonates. we saw it in R7D1

[burnt wren]

1. No, he doesn't know about aliens, he just wants to be free. Yes, it should be the finale. But my hopes are low.
2. Yes.
3. Potentially yes, but the coordinates (ask Frosty about that) point at Butterfly Nebula, a separate galaxy.

[solemn kraken]

No, neonates. We see one grow to full adult size in seconds in R7D1

[burnt wren]

Queen?...

Uh, I don't think there's any mentions of that.

We know sleepers are a hive, based on their observable behavior.

And every hive has a queen, so maybe if only from that assumption.

[solemn kraken]

Nah the p-mom is referred by some as queen

dunno why

[burnt wren]

And we have no idea what's down there. We know it's something not from our earth, but we just don't know. There are no detailed enough descriptions to even hint.

[solemn kraken]

The Queen or p-mom is just a type of enemy in the game

[burnt wren]

Could be a ship, could be an unfortunately phase shifted Garganta from another universe. Fuck if we know. Only time and R8 will tell.

[solemn kraken]

R8 better brings that as the new biome. Whatever is down there

devs have said it would be the conclusion of the storyline. they refuse to confirm if it means last rundown alltogether

[fossil kernel]

The idea of a queen would be cool

Like

Not like p mother but some some kind of giant allen sleeper

[fossil kernel]

I think it means just the conclusion for the story line

8 should be the last "story focused rundown"

[solemn kraken]

That's exactly what my comment says tho

[fossil kernel]

Yes

[burnt wren]

Nope.

We can only safely assume they're super dead or inside HSUs. Which is not much different.

[eternal talon]

Alpha two, alpha three, they are human outposts on destination.

[austere depot]

Clinton is in a Schrödingers state. Confirmed dead in one timeline and alive (though we do not know for how long) in an ALT

Schrödingers Clinton

[eternal talon]

Yepperu. Butterfly nebula 3,00 light years away. Was discovered as part of a cipher we were given in a log. Had to solve for it. Took about a week. Proud to say I was one of the people that helped crack the cipher, with its initial conversion to Base64

Fossil/inner/meteor are all terms for the same thing.

We know the sleepers operate like a hive, but we haven't seen anything regarding their queen or so.

[burnt wren]

Well...

[eternal talon]

They have one, we just haven't seen it

It's basically a given

[burnt wren]

We technically had one... Just not the MAIN big one. More like an officer.

A very large, angry officer.

[eternal talon]

U talkin' Pmommy or pablo

[burnt wren]

Bigger.

[eternal talon]

Kraken was on destination. We don't even know if there is enough space in the inner for that kinda thing. (If it's all mountains of hallways or has a giant chamber that can even fit one like it)

[burnt wren]

Still, we know that creatures like that are a possibility.

That's something already.

And very worrying.

[eternal talon]

Despite being a converted creature like all others, kraken does fit the bill for destination's strain at least. Since the floaters use it as an aircraft carrier

[burnt wren]

Perhaps the only reason we are as successful as we are is because the larger creatures can't fit into security doors.

[eternal talon]

An aircraft aircraft carrier

[eternal talon]

Well because of the blast we know at least a good chunk of the Allen's ship is still functional. Alt//r2 log describes it as a weapon system

[eternal talon]

Lel. Tru tho

[eternal talon]

Lmao

So... this one is a bit complicated

We know from some of Hammerstein's logs that they found specimens from different universes down in the inner.

And through EF01 it was discovered the planet destination is also in a different universe (though the butterfly nebula ALSO exists in our own IRL)

The MWP is allen tech to go between universes by manipulating the "quantum frequency"

For an example, in r6d4, we go to three different universes of earth to different gargantas throughout the level

Ending back in our own

In r7e1, we go back and forth from our own to destination. Somehow someway, we didn't go back to our own by the end of the level. Somehow, which we don't know yet, our worldline is merging with what used to be alt//s

Making this mishmash of universes. Which is why there are two bishops

Or at least were. We don't know what happened to the original bishop from alt//s worldline, just that they found his mask

I hope that answers your question at least.

Gtfo has a deadly habit of overcomplicating things

So its not really contradicting.. it's literally a separate world's lore that we are experiencing separate to our own original world's.

[austere depot]

It gets even crazier.. (and more complicated) >u>
Time moves faster in some 'membranes', slower in others

[eternal talon]

85x faster in destinations case.

Since the allens crashed on earth, it has been 65 million years... obv

But on destination, 8 BILLION YEARS have passed

R7e1 though in gameplay is about an hour, it's like a month. Where schaef and warden are just waiting for us to get back. While we are just on destination for five minutes, it's been hours/days that we've been radiosilent

[eternal talon]

In some worldlines, time might just not exist at all. Or go backwards, as stokes theorized.

Wait... oh no...

Flat earthers are right in one of these worldlines, aren't they!?

[austere depot]

can't blame them if the laws of physics are different!

[eternal talon]

In one worldline, the moonlanding was faked, etc

Infinite terrible possibilities

[austere depot]

Add to that, that stokes theorizes that the MVP might have the ability to alter outcomes by merging said timelines, and you get an explanation for why things are so odd in ALTs

Memories that do not match, sensations of Deja Vu etc etc

Oh and the WRDN is aware of the membranes.. and might be a networked intelligence by now

Which is terrifying

...Do you think the WRND would make a good GPT chat-bot? 👀

[eternal talon]

teleport schaeffer to an alternate earth that is nothing but starving silverback gorillas

[austere depot]

ALT// R9: Planet of the Apes
R9A1: Monkey business
R9B1: Banana peels
R9C1: Zoo
R9D1: Donkey Kong

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gorilla-spongebob-gorilla-gif-21230626

[austere depot]

"Henrikson, look out for the monkey!"
"What?? What monkey?? Ah! GOD! [Unintelligible]"

honestly, that is one spin-off I would pay to play 👀 x'D

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wkhCBTtfOY it goes on for sooo long

well that is exactly what happened in our own worldline, except the whole different bishop thing

we dont know any more details on it sadly. it doesn't elaborate

[burnt wren]

We had hints at alternate realities even before the crazyness of alts

[eternal talon]

really only with the ef01 logs

r7 and the alts went deeper

[burnt wren]

R6 had a gimmick with some mandatory audio logs that would differentiate from playthrough to playthrough

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/thunderbirds-mole-drill-tunnel-gif-16917706

[burnt wren]

The general idea behind the log would stay the same, but people would use different words or tones

Most notable difference being Bishop himself who is completely chill in one log and acts nervous in the other

You mean the most criminal offender?

[austere depot]

Good ear 👀 I missed this the first time around

[burnt wren]

Nah, that would be Woods who shoot up a whole office of his fellow marines for reasons unknown.

[eternal talon]

in terms of motives? it'd be woods. he is a ticking time bomb

[burnt wren]

2nd worst is Hackett and his mercenary career of war crimes for cold heart cash.

And the 3rd... Depends on who you think is worse: Dauda or Bishop.

One is a mad scientist archetype with no moral compass to speak of and the other is a dirty blackmailer.

I think his lore implies at some extra crimes, but i can't remember.

I don't think Bishop is compromised in any way. Hell, his HSU interviews show that he's the only one who GENUINELY doesn't want to be down there.

Having their pre-HSU personalities in mind - Woods and Hackett basically will find themselves in the same boat of seeing Gargantha as their personal hell where they must atone.
Dauda maybe as well.
But Bishop? He does not fucking wants to be there. At all. Much like Schaeffer... If he could think properly - he'd the probably be on Schaeffers bandwagon more than anyone else.

[eternal talon]

well according to new lore, might as well be zero. there are sleepers on the surface.

earth will never, EVER recover.

[clear furnace]

Its ironic that the only people left alive are those who are literally down in hell

But It is right to say that NAM-V did most of the work rather than the sleepers

[burnt wren]

Fighting a losing war under orders of a rogue AI that doesn't know what it wants

I'm surprised the lore even implies that Warden got any sort of agency

Imagine a lore where Warden is literally just trying to keep the facility running for no other reason than for the sake of it

[clear furnace]

That would be so lame though

I hope that R8 has some real stakes to it

rather than just "The lights turned off cause a sleeper hit the light switch, get them back on."

Maybe not we find a cure and save the day but just something to have some gratification

[eternal talon]

we are all infected. any world we could try to escape to would be killed -- by us

[clear furnace]

All I'm saying is that I hope the Warden has a goal, not just beep boop keep the lights on

[burnt wren]

My most likely prediction would be that Schaeffer and his revolution die and we will be forever doomed running tasks for the Warden across the multiverse.
My 2nd prediction would be either Schaeffer or Warden going nuclear and destroying everything. Either intentionally or not.
And third possibility... I don't know. Can't come up with something that sounds possible at this point. This one just doesn't seem to be eligible for a happy ending.

[eternal talon]

oh it probably does. but given the circumstances, we probably won't like it.

[burnt wren]

They could always go Hotline Miami 2 route. The bittersweet The End.

[eternal talon]

its either kovac -- so slaves, or its allen, so fuck humanity.

[clear furnace]

Ending 3: Th boys escape and spend their days on the surface of a dying planet

[eternal talon]

most probable

the writers have just set it up in such a way that there is no good ending

[burnt wren]

No possible one that is.

The best thing they can do? The Stargate thing.

[eternal talon]

even if it seems all huki-dori, the allens are multidimensional, its only a matter of time until it shows up again

[clear furnace]

I do kinda wish that NAM-V was contained to Garganta to make our situation seem that much more desperate

[burnt wren]

Find a reality where Gargantha is not built and throw a message in there to warn them not to proceed because duh.

[clear furnace]

I actually like that lol

[burnt wren]

Although knowing KOVAC it will just push them to do it more

[eternal talon]

even in our original worldline that was already too much. before it was JUST nam-v on the surface. now its nam-v and sleepers up there

[burnt wren]

"Someone doesn't want us to build our deep mine facility in the middle of an ocean? DIG HARDER!"

[clear furnace]

I want an ending cutscene where the boys are just slaughtering sleepers in droves on the surface

[eternal talon]

parasitidae garganta is like bed bugs. its easier to burn the house down

[sinful socket]

@everyone someone ban me

[eternal talon]

you'd want <@&408548765599793173> for that

or @ruby lake i guess

[sinful socket]

<@&408548765599793173> ban me

[eternal talon]

hahaha, i got 3 seconds of that 7 second vid before it popped

[cedar eagle]

gimme a sec

[eternal talon]

that was bizarre

[clear furnace]

I will ask for a refund after 360 hours if thats the case

[lone portal]

this channel gives me headaches

[eternal talon]

No. Though I can tell you it is less than 32,000

[eternal talon]

How so?

[burnt wren]

That's the point

[eternal talon]

Wdym

[lone portal]

everything is so overly complicated and just hopping in and trying to figure out who is talking about what needs some time
my brain's overheating

[eternal talon]

To get the basics, id recommend reading the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel

Gtfo lore is at its core, extremely complicated and we rarely get direct answers

So a lot of even basic answers to questions require a good paragraph of detail beforehand

[burnt wren]

I recently found out some madlad combined a whole email from like 5 different logs that contained different parts

Probably spread around entire rundowns too

[eternal talon]

They've even given us things we had to crack, like the stokes dog code, the location of destination, and the still unsolved allen transmission

10cc like making it difficult for us for whatever reason, which isn't really good when first trying to learn. So community resources like mine are essential to not get overwhelmed

If you don't know how to get to the pins, it's the little 📌 in the corner

Or if you are on mobile, swipe left and it's the icon next to threads

[austere depot]

I am still hoping the transmission is a warning signal.
Uknown signal: "DO NO COME DOWN HERE!"
Humans: "But there's Iridium.." 👀

British accent "Stay away you wankers! Don't bloody come down here!"

[burnt wren]

Surely he would use a better form of communication that even the autistic lore community can't solve.
And people around here solved some insane bullshit in the past, so i'm surprised they couldn't even get close with that one.

Although high chance its just a random spooky sound. I don't know, the effort of these devs ranges from "abysmal" to "way too much".

The game's full of bugs and the balance is in shambles, but lore is harder to crack than fuckin' Dark Souls lore. Someone in the office is having a blast.

Hm. What rundown was the sound in?

[harsh saffron]

Alt R1

[burnt wren]

And it wasn't changed?

Was hoping they would put a hint to solution into the new version or something, just to smooth it along. Oh well.

[harsh saffron]

Didn't go back to R1 yet would be pretty neat tho if they start to change stuff that way (and annoying to find)

[harsh saffron]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_1.0_Logs#3NY-798-65Y

[verbal crescent]

good day fellow gtfouter, can someone tell me what we're fighting for, I woke up at the hospital yesterday and it's all a blur

[ocean magnet]

is thw iki considered an accurate source of information for the logs or is it missing some stuff?

[burnt wren]

Could be either way. But I think wiki people are serious about their stuff.

The only problem is chronology.

They really need a page that neatly puts all the logs in chronological order or something.

[harsh saffron]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline
The problem is more that like 60% of the logs don't have dates. ^^

[burnt wren]

Rough guesses based on context could work.
That or "misc" subcategory.

Even better logs separated by themes of it.
Namv related.
Sleeper related.
Main cast related.
Kovac bureaucracy.
Etc.

[austere depot]

Huh.. Excerpt from Log: DCR-675-MHY

• Email from Howard Stokes to Rebecca Stokes*
  "I can't speak to anyone here because they're all terrified of Davies and his stoolies especially since Clinton's "accident".

When he puts it like that, he makes it sound like Clinton was made an example out of.

So either he was incinerated or put down and made to look like he was incinerated? (original timeline) 👀

[burnt wren]

Where did you get his cause of death?

[eternal talon]

Wasn't Clinto hellicopper dude in alt//?

I can never remember

[harsh saffron]

Figured it would sense to also put this here:
There was a terminal missing in R3D1 that was added in with the patch today and it does contain lore.

[cunning light]

Now, where would such a missing terminal be ?

[solar nova]

Inb4 pmom or extract.

Anyone down for a quick 20 minute go at it?

[topaz flare]

sure

[solar nova]

Lore game, team: https://discord.gg/MYgKy9Gj

Storm is probably going to update datablocks before we finish, but we'll be more immersed this way.

[wary portal]

dam was too late let me know what you guys find, let me know if its an audio log or text

[solar nova]

Appears to be audio, 1 sec we killing box dweller

[wary portal]

kk

what zone ?

[solar nova]

Baby zone

[wary portal]

baby zone ?

oh

where you turn off alarm ok

i will look into that myself then, dont wanna get spoilered thanks!

[solar nova]

Low quality recording, soon.

Stupid alarm bug and dialogue volume a bit low.

Might actually just not upload and pull the audio directly, lmao.

[cunning light]

Were you the Host ? and could the other players hear the alarm still ?

(I faced it as well and would like to narrow it down)

[solar nova]

I am host

I think just me

[cunning light]

Thanks

[solar nova]

I'm having trouble pulling the audio, actually, so I guess I will upload.

[harsh saffron]

Got it.

[solar nova]

What's up with it not showing up in Foobar?

I usually don't have to manually update what it's pulling, but maybe that's what I should have done.

[harsh saffron]

I think I had to as well when R3 came around

[solar nova]

Interesting, it must have been an accident that it managed to update itself for R7(?) for me.

[eternal talon]

and yet the machine he used for henrikkson required him to flip the switch... what in the fuckity.

not only did they remove the possible deus ex machina that would have allowed him to break free without breaking canon, but made more plotholes

schaef is the only one aliveses. who took his chip out, unless you think he dug into his own neck with a spoon...

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-scratch-like-thats-ever-gonna-happen-book-gif-16284864

[real pewter]

isn't he still broke free on his own?

he broke free on his own and then use the machine to remove the chip out?

[burnt wren]

He managed to resist enough to remove the device.

The question is how the fuck did he managed that.

With his own hands? Then he's insane.

With the machine? Then who flipped the switch?

Or did he pressed the button and jumped into the seat?

How did he know that it's what the machine does?

This is extreme contrivance how he managed to do that.

[real pewter]

you look at the machine, you see a saw or something can break metal

you re-wire it and jump onto the bed with a button in hand

he's insane so why not

[burnt wren]

Ah yes, let a random ass machine to rip out a divice connected to YOUR FUCKING STEM

Nothing could possibly go badly

[real pewter]

did i stutter

[burnt wren]

Nah, too contrived and wouldn't make any sense.

I do. It's stupid.

I'm not objecting it's on the basis true or not, I'm objecting on the basis that is an exceptionally out-of-the-ass turns of events.
I'm very pro good story telling and decisions like that rarely go well.
I'm already mad at the ultramultiuniverse and all the issues and chaos that brings to world building, we don't need more.

I don't think it will... We got plot holes through the roof. There is hope that it all will make sense in the end (R8) , but experience shows that its an unlikely turn of events.

[austere depot]

In short, he remains Schrödingers Clinton. Alive, probably for a time, in ALT//R2 timeline and assumed dead in main (and possibly other timelines)

Excerpt from log DCR-675-MHY, "I can't speak to anyone here because they're all terrified of Davies and his stoolies especially since Clinton's "accident".

It may still refer to the same incident.
If not, perhaps Clinton did something to really upset the higher ranks and was made an example of?
News of his death could be manufactured after the fact. It would be convenient to just say he was "absolutely and immediately disintegrated."
It does not change much however from a lore perspective, unless anything hints to Clinton performing a deed to warrant being made an example out of.

[eternal talon]

Don't take offense to artek, he isn't doing it to spite your theorycrafting. Honestly enough it is usually me that people consider to shut down theories because of how much I dig into the validity of every detail

Nobody is more annoyed by the inconsistencies and deus ex machinas of the lore than artek

[burnt wren]

Basically Frosty goes "Sauce?"
While I go "But why though?"

[austere depot]

And I speculate 🤔 x'D

[eternal talon]

I can't change the sauce but I can confirm it and try to figure out how that does/doesn't work with the rest of it.

Stuff like the schaeffer discrepancy are known things and major problems.. that I just don't consider worth theorizing on

[eternal talon]

Accident would have to refer to our original worldline then, no?

Not like Kovac can skippidie daddle do down to an allen weapons system and make it firey-do

[burnt wren]

I mean... Maybe he survived the blast, but then someone just pushed him into the hole.

And then just said that he got blasted.

That's somewhat something that could happen.

[eternal talon]

Unless he just barely managed to escape the heli's blast then got capped by a Kovac officer who went "oh actually... this works"

[eternal talon]

Or Sparta'd, yeah. XD

[austere depot]

Yeah x'D
And they did 'erase' Bishop from existence to make an example out of him.
The "Do not cross me" example.
Maybe Clinton was another where the 'general truth' was that he perished, to provide a narrative for the 'general public'. Where as those they want to threaten and scare, know that there was not really an 'accident'.
No proof though, just again.. speculating x'D

[eternal talon]

Awww. The new guy had all of their messages deleted

[burnt wren]

Huh. He did indeed. Weird...

[inland widget]

Which enemy is your guys favourite and why?

Just curious

Do you guys like hydra or
Nemesis

What about all those common enemies

Which enemy do you guys find the most annoying and disgusting?

Then this is the truth

You guys are looking all those time

Split 75-25 for time being.

[inland widget]

Last answer

Then this is it

Thanos was right all along

He will always be your nemesis

[whole gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDFS8deHUe4

[harsh saffron]

I've been thinking about the first 2 entries as well. It would make sense if those are describing Strikers and Shooters (just based on the frequency we encounter them).

In that case Reptus would certainly be Strikers: "show little signs of intelligence beyond their predatory instincts" they just run at us. Only thing thats kinda strange here: "no confirmed sightings of Jaculus in a pupal state" even though we have Baby Strikers, but could just be that they simply didn't find those yet.

And Jaculus are described as more intelligent (they actually try to keep their distance) and he notes "potential human connection/influence" because you can actually see their "human" faces.

So my theory would be:
Reptus = Striker
Jaculus = Shooter
Capreolatus = Scout
Horridus = Charger

I really like the names ngl

[real pewter]

horridus?

[wary portal]

The chichirukus i guess are strikers right

[harsh saffron]

seems like it yeah

[wary portal]

If they made it to the surface do you guys think they act differently between day and night when the sun is down

[harsh saffron]

Probably, I mean they don't really have to stop hunting while its night but they might just chill during daytime.

[wary portal]

Chill and sleep during day and active at night yep sounds like i am a sleeper as well

So a couple other questions

Can we assume the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs came from the same system as we travel to

[burnt wren]

Honestly could go both ways. Their lack of sight means they don't have any issues fighting at night so they could be night hunters, but we also saw them being proactive in the dessert.

[wary portal]

And do we have a name for the desert planet ?

[wary portal]

I imagine chargers being more predatorian and dangerous at night

[eternal talon]

@hardy scaffold if your interested in trying to pick up a lot of the more recent lore details you can always read my "for dummies" document in the pins here or just ask me questions directly. I am... fiercely addicted to the lore here.

[eternal talon]

points from vid:

0:36 we know a little. its an AI that was made by either kovac executives or the ancient allens. we haven't been able to narrow it down beyond that though.
0:49 not really fungus type, they are parasitic -- like proper parasites; "Parasitidae Garganta"
1:18 its not. in our original world, almost all of humanity is extinct by the time of the game and in alt//. its just ABSOLOUTELY fucked. sleepers up there in this wordline.
1:26 about a period of five years. from infection to death, the average for nam-v is five weeks according to one of the medical logs in the UK.
1:40 worldlines, yes. deus-ex-machinas across time and space.
2:20 i should note, into the biocom system, which warden is also in control of, but isn't a direct part of. after r7e1 it is best described as "two puppeteers controlling the same set of strings" between the wrdn and schaeffer controlling us. If schaef tells us to go left and do X, wrdn can tell us to go right and do Y. we'll just end up going back and forth alot struggling to fully complete objectives for either side now.
2:44 your right. it shouldnt be, but its what we are.
3:00 the brain melty, yes.
3:26 hydro kinetic fluid collection case. yes. made from plants, not plants themselves though. its why garganta is full of so many plants despite being miles underground.
6:50 i agree with krisuna here. warden is 100% using the alarms to summon sleepers to try and fuck us over, but you are right with the alarm's original intention when the facility was still operational
7:02 kovac showed up before they started finding artifacts. kovac found out about SMC burning hundreds of bodies of sleeper-ified red cross workers and used it to gain leverage with dreyfus industries to set up camp down in garganta since its easier to hide all of their super illegal stuff down in a pit in mexico than wherever else they were doing them.

[eternal talon]

8:28 i feel i should remind, schaeffer now has control of biocom, not the warden. two seperate things.
8:46 doing stuff for schaeffer and the warden correct. schaeffer and henrikkson? no.
9:00 nobody calls themselves a fucking hacker, i'm an engineer.
11:40 i doubt its evil, but i doubt it's here to save humanity. if its allen, it wouldn't give a damn about humanity period. if its kovac, we dont know, and maybe it is trying to find a cure. we still dont know which of these two the wrdn actually is, but we do know that it IS one of these two since an andre prios log thankfully gave us an "he's lying or he's telling the truth" type answer.
11:50 NAM-V doesn't create sleepers on its own. it is a symbiotic partner with parasitidae garganta. the parasite is required to actually create the sleepers, otherwise hosts just flat out die.
12:00 within a year? hundreds of millions. in total? billions. there are likely less than 1 billion humans left on earth at all. maybe a couple hundred million at most. this was determined via math and the rnaught statistics (and state of truth logs) from logs ~r6.
13:06 just warden. 99.98% chance everybody else is dead down here. only person we actually know for a fact that was the last man standing (not counting KSOs) is schaeffer.
13:32 eh... a bit late. we wake up in 2061-2063, half a decade after nam-v already went global.
14:18 not necessarily to make a cure, it could be related to the warden's units which are bio-mutants spliced with nam-v. thats why they are invisible to sleepers.
15:14 higher ups.. probably not. we know a few of them that died in garganta, but most weren't actually on site. so they'd've died with the rest of the world when nam-v got out. can't be 100% sure that NONE of your "mandatory" butlers or servants aren't carrying the world's easiest death plague

[lilac island]

So wait you're telling me I'll now have to deal with newbies adding even more nicknames to the already established ones?

I've lost count of how many things they keep calling "hybrids"

Or calling big shooters "sleeping scouts"

[eternal talon]

15:30 that, and native-peoples and doomsday preppers that fucked off into their shelters before they got a chance to be infected. basically any kind of vector is instant transmission. we have a log from abeo dauda from when he used to work for insight, and... basically anything except literally the vacuum of space can transmit it.
15:52 yes, but we'd end up brining the virus with us when we jump. we can't cleanse then go jump, its in the air. we literally cannot win.
16:14 dead.
17:00 hahahahaha. hard agree.
17:14 the parasite, not the virus. requires both, or maybe just the parasite, but not the virus by itself.
17:22 well i mean there are alien sleepers in the form of the floaters and the kraken, and the allen sleeper that was talked about in the logs but not seen in game
21:20 schaeffer was from an abusive household... so bad its on his employment record in the form of an assault charge against his father...
21:29 middle management, he was a pit boss.
22:58 we dont know how he got out, it is a major plot hole currently. he gets released prior to r4 since we find his log... yet wrdn doesn't have access to kds deep (so couldnt get him) until we open it in r5e1.

[eternal talon]

@hardy scaffold I hope this helps you!

[eternal talon]

they be chickens... lel

dont have tentacles. technically a different variant

[harsh saffron]

If ppl start calling out Scouts with "Gallus Capreolatus" consistently and perfectly every time, I would give them a pass ^^

[eternal talon]

if anything, if i remember correctly, scouts share the ai and attacks of hybrids, not chickens

[lilac island]

😆

[solemn kraken]

would not jaculus be hybrids as they have a clear human face and we have no sightings of their pupal state

[eternal talon]

destination. butterfly nebula 3k light years away, different plane of existence. I recommend reading the "for dummies" doc in the pins of this channel

[wary portal]

@eternal talon so i read your document and i was curioud if you will update it with the logs in the alt rundown?

[eternal talon]

not much to update but yes. i have been keeping it up to date since r6 last year.

[wary portal]

What about current events will you also include them? Just curious if you plan on edit the document or if it is final as it is

[harsh saffron]

Possible, I just assumed it makes sense to name drop the 4 more "normal/common" enemies first ^^

[eternal talon]

if its during gameplay, it isn't covered. as it is right now, i could probably add/change one or two sentences at most. wouldn't be worth pushing an update on it for that

[wary portal]

Makes sense

So when we escape from the complex is gtfo 2 going to be like rust just a survival game at the surface lol

[eternal talon]

well currently there are sleepers on the surface... so it'll never ever be habitable

earth is done for. forever. look at destination. that is what earth will become

destination has been like that for 8 billion years. (yes, billion with a b) you just can't get rid of sleepers

[wary portal]

Makes sense cause time on earth goes faster

Is there a log or how did you calculate that

[eternal talon]

It's not a relativity issue. This is a calculable change in the quantum frequency. Durant's time was running faster than our time. And not by a little - by a lot. Back of the envelope math is 1 second in our quantum frequency is about 85 seconds in Durant's quantum frequency. I mean I
[4.4 second silence]

• 2CB-5U8-DBK, Journal entry: Log G732-049

its just 65 million years (meteor crashes on earth) x 85

comes out to... 5.5 billion... huh. guess i did my math wrong before, regardless, its a fuckton of time

[wary portal]

Ah

[wary portal]

One more nitpicky thing at 11:00 i dont think thats the case remember that the state of truth guy also has these eperiences and he is nowhere near linked to biocom i think thats a side effect from the virus

Or maybe something else

[eternal talon]

It's actually a result of memories from our previous worldline merging with that of alt//s.

Alt is the merging of our original wordline and the one that is alt.

How this is happening? No idea.

But I think what he was talking about was KSOs specifically, which is also a thing. An example being ksos knowing how to use c-foam to seal a door despite never being trained or knowing of its existence

That could very well be biocom sending data to the ksos thru their neural interface

[wary portal]

shits confusing af

[eternal talon]

Kovac staff was confused by it, but maybe warden did it in secret. Who knows

[wary portal]

pretty sure it was the warden doing its thing

[eternal talon]

Gtfo lore is very complicated, but not very confusing

[eternal talon]

Depends on when you think is most likely for the warden to make decisions like this and if you think the warden is more likely to be a secret Kovac project or an allen construct

[wary portal]

its that whole alt merge shit hate that concept to be fair but eh it is what it is it would be fine if its just teleportation

[eternal talon]

Even from r6 we have been hopping the multiverse

[wary portal]

could be both

warden being made from the ships AI

[eternal talon]

That's what the mwp does. It transmutes our quantum frequency to that of the target universe and then teleports us

Matter WAVE projector

It's changing our waves man

[wary portal]

i thought it would work like "establish frequency to another world, use that bridge for crossing, welcome to the desert"

[eternal talon]

Nope. It's entirely localized. When the ef01 expedition went through, they tried to keep the tether open, but it immediately closed when they teleported and they ended up stuck

It's not portals. It's manipulating matter and sending it flying thru the multiverse

You are one place, then your not. And while that is occurring you are being rebuilt to conform to the destination's frequency

Like as stokes theorized, even basic things we would consider fundamental could be different in the worldlines. Like time moving backwards or not at all, or gravity not existing

[wary portal]

[eternal talon]

Complicated, yes.

Which is why I cover it in a single sentence in the for dummies doc with "this shit is extremely convoluted just ask me directly"

[wary portal]

yeah i came across that haha

[eternal talon]

Else it'd be it's own segment with three paragraphs

Which isn't really great for a doc designed to be am introductory to the lore

Trying to help people learn it and keep up with it, not melt brains

[wary portal]

its hard not to

[eternal talon]

Have you seen/played steins; gate?

It's basically that except instead of timelines In the same world it's different worlds entirely with potentially different physics.

[wary portal]

hmmm

i have not seen or played it but i will look into that

[eternal talon]

It's a game on steam that was adapted to an anime. It's a time travel style thing and why it's dangerous.

Based on the actual scientific concept of world lines that GTFO is also based on (or is at least most similar to)

[sudden quest]

copied and pasted from gtfo related questions, do the alt rundowns contain the logs that were originally in them alongside new ones, or did the new ones replace them?

not looking for a lore-related answer, just a yes or no

[eternal talon]

Contain both. From our old world line and alt//'s

[wary portal]

so frosty basically youre saying OG and ALT are canon

since "alt" is alternate dimension

if i understood that correctly

[eternal talon]

yes. different universes, but in the same game. both are canon. anything you could possible dream of is "probably" canon in one world line or another that we haven't been to.

thats the thing the writers have set up and the thing @burnt wren hates the most.

[wary portal]

ngl

i agree with artek

but eh what can you do

[eternal talon]

research.

sometimes the devs put out encoded and ciphered logs that we have to crack. its usually a pain in the ass but rewarding. we have one currently from alt//r1 that is still yet to be cracked. its an audio file this time

[wary portal]

oh?

is it on the santontian site ?

[eternal talon]

^

[wary portal]

what i mean is that the devs chose and went with that different dimension lore

[wary portal]

ty

[eternal talon]

current working theories is that it decodes into some kind of message or picture. certainly seems allen though.

[wary portal]

ET telephoning home

[eternal talon]

well home is dead, so...

[wary portal]

i was about to say....

maybe there are remnands but we have yet to have confirmation

[eternal talon]

a desert hellscape with sandstorms bigger than mountains

[wary portal]

maybe underground ? or other places ?

[eternal talon]

only physical evidence in game of the allen civilization at all is a single carved sandstone... sphere? thing? in r6b1

[wary portal]

what about the metal rocks ? or are they just....rocks made of metal

[eternal talon]

the crystals?

[wary portal]

yee

[eternal talon]

we dont know what they are explicitly. could be the cretasum 77-a material, its not discussed at all. it does seem they are an intergral part of the MWP though and the floaters have them embedded on their backs.

[wary portal]

speaking of which

[eternal talon]

infected aliens (not allens) native to destination. same as the kraken.

[wary portal]

would floaters be one of the alien races that once inhabitated the world ?

[eternal talon]

alien races, yeah. they are just wildlife

@wary portal the virus came first. the parasites were found and made symbiotic (unwillingly?) later on.

log describes them a victim of the virus

[wary portal]

so basically the aliens use the virus as a weapon to create an even deadlier weapon

[wary portal]

and fucked themselves

[eternal talon]

we dont know if they made it or if they found it on one of the many universes they visited

[wary portal]

it states the virus doesnt mutate the parasite

so what causes the sleepers to turn into sleepers parasite or virus ?

[eternal talon]

the virus starts it but doesnt finish it. as can be seen in the... MANY corpses scattered about the complex. the parasite actually finishes the mutations and takes control of the host, turning it into a lovely meat puppet.

[wary portal]

so basically the virus starts it and the parasite finalizes it

[eternal talon]

as you can see in the above picture, when they died, they are showing signs of their skulls being split and developing bulbous black tumors, but none of them are fully formed

[eternal talon]

yee

https://tenor.com/view/yee-yeedinasour-dinasour-gif-4930781

[wary portal]

do you thing the parasite takes over ? or is it still symbotic the "final product"

who controls the host in the end

[eternal talon]

the virus is a mindless force of nature. it infects and kills and kills and kills until it runs out of food. on its own, it is already a species-destroyer if not a planet destroyer.

the parasite, when combined with the virus, makes the parasite and its host immortal. the parasite puppets hosts to help spread the virus long distances and to keep it from "running out of food" so to say, and dying out. When a planet is infested with sleepers, nothing shy of exterminating every last one on the planet will make it habitable again without the risk of another planet-wide extinction event.

[eternal talon]

the parasite. virus have no brains, they are viruses.

[wary portal]

Well that was a fun recap

Do you think the warden knew we were helping schaefer during r7

[eternal talon]

oh absolutely. he's been a pain in his ass since r6. he even killed the warden's precious unit... with a lead pipe, no less.

[wary portal]

So riddle me this if the ai is so smart how come we havent gotten an update like in r7a1 or b1 saying dont put in the command or dont find that box

[eternal talon]

because schaeffer has been hindering the warden since the start of r7. in r7a1, he seals a security door until we get maddox for him. in b1, he seals a security door until we get the hydrokinetic fluid collection case for him... etc

here is the audio of schaeffer beating the shit out of little tommy btw

[wary portal]

Yeee but why isnt warden like "eyo you 4 bastards i didnt tell you to do that" error alarm time

[eternal talon]

because gameplay.

also he does do that in r7d2 when he finds out we are going to biocom's mainframe

he blares that fucker so loud that literally every single kind of sleeper comes after us

that level even has tanks and a pmom or two

[wary portal]

Thought thats just cause we are accessing the mainframe and kovac installed a security system

[wary portal]

Eh debatable i personally like your theory more

[eternal talon]

warden would know what it would mean to let schaeffer have access to the mainframe. warden is doing the same thing to control biocom

schaeffer is literally stealing warden's toys and he was NOT gonna have that.

(though he still failed) and now we are strung between these two like a child between divorced parents

and biocom is just crying in the corner being controlled by ANOTHER outside force.

[wary portal]

Warden: stop that shit
Schaeffer: stop that shit
Biocom: confused screeching

[eternal talon]

well realistically in r8 it'd probably be warden telling us to do one thing and schaeffer telling us not to, and vice versa

[final sentinel]

[eternal talon]

sending us back and forth over and over again

"if i can't have it, no-one can!"

[wary portal]

I hope in r8 we can choose who we work for but i doubt that

[eternal talon]

we are but a pawn to whomsoever controls our slave collars.

[wary portal]

But i think it would be most likely schaefer giving us tasks since he has controls of our chips now

Then when he guides us to break free warden spams hud with messages not doing it

[eternal talon]

so does warden. ain't no way in hell he's just gonna take schaeffer's antics lying down, especially with him hijacking his best squad

[wary portal]

personally i will choose for the warden

[eternal talon]

realistically either option for the warden isn't good. its either an allen construct that has no reason to give a damn about humanity, or its a kovac construct working to continue the legacy of a now extinct company that was already doing the shadiest shit possible

schaeffer isn't that much better, but at least it is free will. IF he lets us go, that is.

he might choose to just keep our collars on.

paranoid man he is n' all

[wary portal]

What if allen is warden and they try to destroy le virus

Doubt but hope

[eternal talon]

we have zero ideas about the motivations of the allens

[wary portal]

Tru

[eternal talon]

not even the slightest foundation other than "they fled destination and crashed into earth and they brought a ton of specimens from different worlds with them in their ship."

[real pewter]

do you think the reboot in R7D2 did something to the Biocom/Warden?

since Warden AI and the Biocom are always in a loop of fighting each other to gain control

[eternal talon]

no idea.

could be something schaeffer and henrikkson could look into altering, though that might also cut them out.

[plush nest]

Is the audio log about the guy not wanting to take meds and saying that he sees things that he claims are not hallucinations talking about shadows ?

I think it’s in r7b2 the uplink one

[austere depot]

If I have interpreted log FER-WI9-053 correctly and the WRDN unit communicates with other variants of itself and shares its data with its variants, the infection might spread. If another WRDN unit copies the infected code by accident, for example.
That is assuming the interpretation is correct and if so, it could play the other way around as well by perhaps providing it resources to fight the Trojan.

[broken oriole]

who installed warden into biocom at the very beginning

[real pewter]

someone in the facility

[eternal talon]

We dunno

[eternal talon]

Technically this may not even be true

[broken oriole]

did the guy physically install it into the mainframe like r7d2 or done remotely?

[eternal talon]

assuming it was installed by a human (which is only 50/50), it would be done directly by Kovac executives

[real pewter]

am i misremembering or is there an email that said the warden ai got injected into the system?

[eternal talon]

Not off the top of my head... but that doesn't sound wrong either...

[eternal talon]

Though "inject" isn't really a specific term. You can Inject files directly like through a flash drive, or you can inject files remotely via the cloud.

[real pewter]

i'm not too familiar with the terms uses in IT stuff

[austere depot]

Tons of possibilities.
Remote installation
We have not yet grounded the nature of the Alien signal. Piros suggests the idea to be laughable as BIOCOM is capable of controlling the legitimacy of orders down to a split nano-second. The matter of time however is questionable as clocks inside the facility move faster at the lower levels. Time is also moving different across the multitude of 'membranes'. Whatever is down there in the deep appears to bend the flow of time as we understand it. So if it needed an extra second to fool Biocom, we cannot rule out that it (whatever it is) had the ability to do so.

Physical installation
We cannot pinpoint a physical installation inside the mainframe to a single individual. We can only assume someone with access codes to be a more likely possibility.
Artus Chaparon, Andrew Clinton, Pieros and Davies should be the four with said access codes. Schaeffer was never meant to have his, but Artus broke protocol and gave it to him. An installation like it would require the installers to go through the same steps as the prisoners when they installed the Trojan (virus). It must have been undetected unless it was a planned installation by the higher-ups.

Infection???
As a Biocomputer (BIOCOM), a dna-based computation machine, we cannot rule out an infection by the virus / parasite. The Virus / Parasite is described to be highly adaptable for infection and infected remains are found inside the mainframe. Which should be quite impossible to get into (Access codes, etc).

[burnt wren]

The last doesn't make much sense. The infection would be chaotic and produce lots of damaged unstable code. Even if it was alien in nature and with a will - the code would be in a different language.

But the Warden has a name, as a function. W4RDN. Someone named him that. I can't say if it's a clever joke on hackers part or a coincidence, but I'd rather not have it be the latter because that's boring.

[eternal talon]

All I can say on the matter is that we know for certain it is either an allen construct, or it was made and put in secretly by Kovac top brass as a failsafe.

Piros is directly quoted in an email denying his knowledge of its origins. Either he is lying, or he is telling the truth.

Well, denying Kovac's knowledge on it. Not necessarily his

[eternal talon]

Parasites are parasites... I doubt it'd be intelligent enough to do the things we see warden do. Not to mention... why wouldn't it just send us to go get infected and tell us to "do not resist"

[austere depot]

There are many times though that the BIOCOM does not understand what the WRDN wants. The uplinks in the facility resemble brute force attacks. Biocom also is not 'intelligent'. It tries to delete the WRDN, yes, but cannot. We cannot assume that it knows to fight hack attempts willingly, just confirm or deny faulty access codes.

It acts according to protocol. It blares alerts at unauthorized access until the matter seems resolved.

[eternal talon]

It also was incredibly slow to start using its access once it got into the biocom system. Weither it was learning or not, for a species as advanced as the allens, I doubt a language barrier would pose a problem.

[austere depot]

That one is true. And it hinges on another theory. Whether the parasite can assemble a coordinated intelligence in larger numbers or not and whether it wants the virus around or not. More data is needed.

Not just for that theory, but all the ones listed above.

I do have a crazy idea for the alien signal.. but I lack the means and expertise to carry it out x'D

actually, it makes no sense to carry it out. I was thinking of radio telescopes (yes, I looked into that)

but it would not work unless we had square meters of working, specialized receivers (perhaps in multitudes)

Engineered with the proper listening parameters, seconds to milliseconds of delay based on their placement in comparison to one another - in order to paint a clear picture.

massively increased my respect for radio-astronomers though. The science is wild!

[finite vine]

how do we know for certain that th wrdn might have been uploaded by the aliens? this is new info to me

[finite vine]

bishop had an access code?

bishop is a hacker... he might have had something to do with it. he would have been a kso at the time the wrdn was installed though, so probably not.

then that makes me think why they would give an access code to a kso

[austere depot]

My bad, Schaeffer. Schaeffer was never meant to have his. It has been corrected.

[eternal talon]

**Ms. Lorde,

BIOCOM cannot be hacked, hijacked, exploited, or compromised. Any code changes made to BIOCOM can only be uploaded using a proprietary FOC Optical Interface directly interfaced with BIOCOM’s organic processing unit (or the “brain bit” if that’s easier for you). There are only 4 people who have access to the FOC Interface or BIOCOM’s processing unit. Two of them are dead, one of them has never visited Garganta, and the other one is me. In addition to this already foolproof security measure, all data packets to and from BIOCOM are sent with time stamps accurate to within 2 nanoseconds. This makes physical data interception impossible. Any rerouting of the data stream would show incorrect time stamps and immediately be flagged, then that data stream would be shut down and all instructions dismissed. BIOCOM’s processing unit is biological in origin as this makes it impervious to all EMP, HPM, and STN ratio attacks. BIOCOM cannot be hacked any more than you can, so unless someone has found a way to telepathically convince BIOCOM to change its programming, your suggestion is absurd. For the second and final time of asking: if you have any more questions, run them by a flagged supervisor first.

Andre Piros**

either piros is lying to lorde, and he installed it (since only he has access) or he genuinely has no clue how it got in and it is an allen deus ex machina

true/false statements always have a lovely habit of making things one of two possibilities, rather than a dozen

this log is from alt//r2 btw

[burnt wren]

Hm.

[eternal talon]

unhackable

it is literally one of those two.

[burnt wren]

From the text he does sound passionately angry so i doubt its him.

But what about the other guy

That supposedly "never visited Garganta"

not that anyone knows that he did

[eternal talon]

is anders dead?

if not, probably him.

regardless though, if they are on the surface during the events of this, then they aren't going to get in to do that because of the lockdown

(ignoring the virus)

[burnt wren]

You know what question is even more interesting?

Where IS the Warden

I mean, literally where is he stored

There's probably a dedicated room for him, right?

We had that weird one from R7D2, but i think it was more of an access point. Reminds me of that Alien scene.

[eternal talon]

in terms of big names at kovac accordin to the notion.so there are:

anders johanson
andre piros
angela klein (kovac research, not kds, but still)
christopher getz (HSU maintenance)
marcus gantus (lead engineer and part of biocom installation team)
sebastien girauld (science director)

[eternal talon]

we dont know. could be at any of the mainframes, or even not at all if its entirely digital

if he was a physical chip, probably would be less worried about biocom constantly ALT+F4ing him.

and even so, how would his chip get to a mainframe and get plugged in the first place

they've got SEC doors that'd make bank vaults blush

[clever niche]

Huh so parts of biocom are biological? I’d imagine it’d be kept completely sealed off but it’d be funny if NAM-V infected it.

[eternal talon]

It'd be dead if nam-v did.

Virus is lethal in 5 weeks and has no cure.

[finite vine]

I mean not necessarily, we would honestly have no idea what it would do

it could also be infected by a parasite

also, how did henrickson hack BIOCOM by inserting a simple usb stick into its mainframe? that does not really make a whole lot of sense if BIOCOM cannot be hacked because it’s main processing unit is biological.

Another note, there is a quantum computer in the BIOCOM mainframe room, so where is that biological “brain” piece of BIOCOM?

[burnt wren]

Oh great, we found another plot hole.

Just Tuesday for #gtfo-lore

[burnt wren]

[eternal talon]

Quantum computer sauce?

[eternal talon]

Because biocom is suppressed. Warden is controlling it, constantly resetting it to avoid it from wiping the warden, remember the log on the terminal in the mainframe?

It could probably just decide to not run the code that henrikkson put out on it if it wanted to, but it doesn't have a choice

Wrdn might be running partly via that same exploit

That could be the explanation as far as I see it

[finite vine]

yea but my point is the warden is using the same hardware that biocom uses, so if the main selling point of biocom is that it can’t be hacked because it is biological, and if the warden is using that same biological hardware, then why can henrickson hack the warden with a usb stick?

[finite vine]

yea

[eternal talon]

I'm not Andre piros, so I can't say. But that's as it is.

As artek said, piros seemed pissed at the notion that it was even remotely possible

[eternal talon]

But seriously, what quantum computer? Got a log to CTRL+C CTRL+V?

[eternal talon]

@finite vine it does say "any code changes made to BIOCOM can only be uploaded using a proprietary FOC optical interface directly interfaced with BIOCOM's organic processing unit"

That could be what the memory stick was. Yeah the vault was full of servers, but the middle bit was nitrogen cooled and open air

We got the memory stick from d2 aswell

[finite vine]

true. that means that henrickson had one of the security codes though

[eternal talon]

In one of those drop boxes

So who knows where he got it from

Maybe he found piros' corpse

Or wherever those were stored

[eternal talon]

Security codes get written down. I'm sure they could find it given enough time, the complex is a finite area and it's not like sleepers are going to start wiping hard drives of data

[wary portal]

you know i am thinkin this game could collab with fortnite

imagine prisoners using the matter wave and ending up in the fornite realm

then hackett be like

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EagerGregariousArmyant-max-1mb.gif

[eternal talon]

That would be horrendous. I don't get the point of that game licensing all these popular franchises' characters as skins.

Regardless, 10cc is tiny. That'd never happen. Behavior only manage it because they are literally the only fish in town for the 4v1 games scene after evolve died. (RIP EVOLVE, MY BELOVED)

[austere depot]

...From Bishop who got it from Arty ;D

My question is still...HOW DID THOSE CORPSES GET IN THERE? 👀

[stone vine]

guys

the red artifact has a spiky ball

thats what it looks like

it looks like titanium from subnautica

[eternal talon]

Do decapitated heads count as corpses on their own? What about the headless body? Does that mean guillotines have the looting enchantment?

[harsh saffron]

Seems like the "Conduit" mentioned in some of the Wardens logs about Project Rise is literally just the Neonate we carry around. (It didn't say conduit in the og ver. of C1)
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/c/c5/ALT_R3C1.png/revision/latest?cb=20230302223413

[austere depot]

That is hilarious and makes it the point even -clearer- 😂
Yes, how did decapitated heads walk in there? 🤣
Short answer: They did not. But their bodies may have 👀
If their bodies did not. Who the heck is throwing decapitated heads into the server rooms?

Is this one of the cases where the CEO got one computer error and swore to decapitate his entire IKT-staff? 👀

Doubt that though. So if they were meant to be found there and not as an oversight of the developers, then someone used the code to get in

[austere depot]

I have thought about it, but not really found an answer.
I find it interesting however that we take DNA from the subject at Alpha to use as a basis for imprinting.
As for a speculation as to why: Genetic behavior, probably. The neonates are stated to be a genetic blank canvas they can arrange however they wish.

In a behavioral nature vs nurture scenario, it may be a specific sense of behavior they wish to replicate in the Neonate. Though at current, we know too little of the neural imprint process, how it works and we lack any substantial data on subject Alpha itself. We only know that there is something about the DNA of subject Alpha that is desirable, but not what and for what reason.

It may also be that Alpha is not the first subject for attempted Neural imprint, just one of many candidates that fit the parameters for testing. There have been other Neonates.

[eternal talon]

Well I mean we didn't open the vault door. Just the SEC doors. The vault was already open

Also... (I don't think it even realistically could close, lel. Railings are in the way)

And stairs

[austere depot]

...True, now that you mention it. To further that point. Vault door. Open 👀
Open when we got there 👀

[tame goblet]

Do we know exactly what that specimen thing was in R6DX yet?

[eternal talon]

yes.

we've known what it was since r6dx, the only question if it was the mimic or not. which it was

[tame goblet]

wtf is the mimic

what is it exactly?

Are you a cat or a dog person?

[eternal talon]

ye. we didn't know what it was at the time. assumed some unknown sleeper variant

was just u22.

(disappointing really)

[tame goblet]

Unit 22?

so it's a neonate

that has grown?

[eternal talon]

... look at the objective

[solemn kraken]

basically

[eternal talon]

(it was renamed to unit 22 very shortly after extended came out. this pic is from launch day)

also literally all of r7 is u23.

its wrdn's minions

bio-mutants spliced with nam-v, created using the remants and methods of the old rise program

[tame goblet]

and the rise program is?

plug a neonate into the machine?

[eternal talon]

a program designed to supply the legion program

[solemn kraken]

Altho U 23 will prob be different having GLP-2 instead of standard GLP etc etc

[eternal talon]

creating adult slaves in an extremely short time, rather than kidnapping from the US prison system.

only problem with rise was that the subjects still had the mental capacity of children

thats why they act that way. warden hasn't fixed it

if anything in r7d1, he's growing them faster. in seconds, even, with glp-2

[tame goblet]

that makes sense

[eternal talon]

his units, unlike specimens, are spliced with nam-v. they are mutants that are invisible to sleepers

[tame goblet]

so the prisoners are like the first generation of legion and this rise thing aims to make prisoners/soldiers quicker

[eternal talon]

that was the goal, but the literal apocalypse happened.

[tame goblet]

I see

[eternal talon]

if you want a more basic summary of the lore, the for dummies doc is always available in the pins here.

[tame goblet]

Oh thanks, I will take a look. I've read all the logs but I needed it piecing together

[eternal talon]

that is basically what it is. all of the logs crammed into an easily understandable format

covering everything that happened before the game starts

[tame goblet]

ty

[eternal talon]

mhm. it's a public resource i've been keeping up to date since r6.

that is the absolute best emoticon

[tame goblet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/731665990760267891/842769525497135184/Scantime.gif

[eternal talon]

if you have any questions, I am always here.

[tame goblet]

Yeah what is the purpose of KDS deep? Is it just to store legion prisoners?

the end or R5E1

[eternal talon]

KDS deep, as seen in r5e1, is the hub of Kovac defense services within garganta. basically their on-site HQ

it does have a massive warehouse of legion hsus, but that's not its entire point

whatever degenerate shit they wanted to do without the world knowing, (like HSU tech development & cat-girls), they did it there.

[tame goblet]

What was the point of activating KDS deep?

[eternal talon]

there are 32,000 KSOs stored in garganta.

24,000 of which are in kds-deep.

warden wanted access to those.

[tame goblet]

Do we know what the warden wants to do with those KSO's? And how did the sleepers manage to take over the complex?

[eternal talon]

we dont know what the warden's goals are. the sleepers just kept going reeee. with birthers and respawn rooms, their numbers were endless. a flood of corpses and spent shells littered the halls for weeks until the surface floors were finally overrun, and the place sealed by the warden.

[tame goblet]

Wasn't the birther created tho? Considering R2A1 is P-mother trial samples

[eternal talon]

we do not know the deets.

or at least I don't.

[tame goblet]

Someone must be giving the Warden AI orders tho surely?

[eternal talon]

as far as we know everybody be dead af.

[tame goblet]

Yeah but the warden AI can't make up what objective stacks. So either someone injected the warden protocol with every expedition programmed or someone is still doing it

[eternal talon]

the warden is either a: a kovac secret project, of which everyone is dead so... or b: an allen construct, so DEFINATELY no way a human gonna control it

[eternal talon]

the above two options are the only ones still possible in the lore according to a recent piros log.

[tame goblet]

where is this log?

can I also have the log of the warden fighting biocom?

[eternal talon]

^

[tame goblet]

ah cool thanks

What is the current year?

[eternal talon]

we dunno. sometimes after 2063, as that was when OG r3 takes place

[tame goblet]

Jeez

[dense saffron]

My conspiracy theory on the warden is it was injected by the insight lead (forget his name) when he took over from andrew clinton when he died

Since there was a fairly innocuous log about a BIOCOM developer putting a backdoor in for andrew clinton because he didn't like how much control BIOCOM was getting over the facility

[eternal talon]

can't be hacked according to piros

it'd have to be done manually, fighting their way through the entirety of KDS-Deep and countless ksos in a restricted "shot on sight" area

[dense saffron]

Not hacked, an intentionally added backdoor

[eternal talon]

of which he couldn't do

[dense saffron]

Let me see if I can find the log that mentions it

[eternal talon]

** There are only 4 people who have access to the FOC Interface or BIOCOM’s processing unit. Two of them are dead, one of them has never visited Garganta, and the other one is me. In addition to this already foolproof security measure, all data packets to and from BIOCOM are sent with time stamps accurate to within 2 nanoseconds. This makes physical data interception impossible. Any rerouting of the data stream would show incorrect time stamps and immediately be flagged, then that data stream would be shut down and all instructions dismissed. BIOCOM’s processing unit is biological in origin as this makes it impervious to all EMP, HPM, and STN ratio attacks.**

[solar nova]

D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.exec_branch/APirosA134.flagged

From: Marcus Gantus B623
To: Andre Piros A134
Date: July 3rd 2051
Subject:    BIOCOM permissions

Mr. Piros,

Thank you for the security bump. I'm able to move around the facility much easier now.

Considering the expected initiation date, I need help. For BIOCOM to perform autonomously it requires unrestricted access to the host infrastructure. We are able to use the temporary location in Hangar 4 while we wait for Deep to be completed, but we cannot function without full access, regardless of where the organics are located.

To ensure a successful integration, we need access to:

1. Any software used to manage power generation, regulation, and distribution. 
2. Any existing security system, including control over doors, keycode and password access, surveillance systems,  and environmental controls.
3. All personnel files (legally I think we can't execute the Detain and Search module unless we have been given the implicit
permission that comes with database access)
4. All communication systems, both internal and external, so that BIOCOM can monitor and limit traffic depending on security conditions.

This is the bare minimum. Without it, the operatives’ objectives will include a lot of low-level tasks that are much better suited to automation (terminal access, door management, bioscans etc.) This has been difficult enough with the operation at its current size. Once we are scaled up to full, it will become unmanageable and our operative fail rate will sky rocket. Ideally, BIOCOM would have access to everything at the highest level so the KSOs can be programmed with a minimal objective stack. 

I have tried to explain this to Andrew Clinton, but he is reluctant to allow us the access we need. I have told him we can insertback doors if he doesn't want us to refactor the systems and explained we won't need any engineering support from him. I have also reiterated that he will have override codes to limit BIOCOM access in case of an emergency. 

But he won't budge and is asking a lot of questions that I feel he should not be asking. Can you talk to him to straighten this out?

I'll hold until you reply,

Marcus Gantus
Lead Engineer, BIOCOM Installation Team

[dense saffron]

That's rayalot, notion was way to laggy on my phone to try and find this

[eternal talon]

notion, not the antivirus

[dense saffron]

Autocorrect does me in again

[eternal talon]

lel

[dense saffron]

Looking at this again it seems more reasonable the backdoor in question are for the systems BIOCOM is accessing and not BIOCOM itself

I wonder who the other 2 dead people that had access to BIOCOM are

[solar nova]

I'd assume Anders is one. Maybe Marcus?

And if 1 has never been to Garganta it could be a KDS Research person.

[dense saffron]

I still think the most likely candidate for warden injection would be dean lockwood, the insight head

I think it's suspicious we see him getting shutout from what RISE is in an email and then later we see a WRDN override being used to query things related to RISE. I know the logs don't necessarily come after each other since they're not dated iirc but I still feel that's a bit of a coincidence

That's my pet theory though, guess we'll find out if it's correct eventually?

[solar nova]

Given current info, it seems like Allens.

But we could easily get some kind of log pointing somewhere else.

Lockwood would have all of the research from Insight to go off of, and all.

Other logs are hinting at Allens, though, like the energy blast targeting sleepers.

And it kind of seems like the WRDN has some kind of interest in dealing with at least NAM-V to some extent.

Depends on what "probing deeper" is leading to.

[dense saffron]

The WRDN's goal, at least imo, is to cure NAM-V

At least until Schaefer did whatever he did to it

[solar nova]

That's assuming it even worked, tho.

[celest pagoda]

To note, we know that BIOCOM's CPU is biological. Regardless of whether or not the BIO-CPU was located within the mainframe in R7D2, it is noted that the CPU cannot be hacked as its essentially a brain. If Schaef and Henrikson were unaware of the existence of the BIO-CPU, then the Trojan may have only worked partially.

[keen mantle]

The only question to that, IF in the case of partial success… what worked and what didn’t?

[eternal talon]

The fact that e1 was allowed to happen

[keen mantle]

E1 was allowed to happen?

What do u mean?

If Schaeffer was talking during E1… what was it?

[burnt wren]

He was. That was a test run to see if he could give us objectives.

But I don't remember fuck all what we were doing. Restarted some reactor or something.

[broken oriole]

Ye just start a reactor, but the squad got teleport to the alpha planet too

[celest pagoda]

According to Schaef, the trojan will only work if the system reboots. So we rebooted the reactor

[burnt wren]

But how did he forced us to do it for him... Did we actually just straight up shat on Warden and ignored him and did that all out of our free will?

[eternal talon]

If it didn't work, no way in hell warden would have allowed us to do that

[burnt wren]

Something doesn't check out.

[celest pagoda]

Based on how the events of D2 to E1 play out, I assume the WRDN was hindered in some form or another, but to fully get the trojan working and get an edge on WRDN for good we needed to reboot the reactor.

Maybe in someway we butted into the BIOCOM vs WRDN control-for-power struggle

[eternal talon]

"Please restart your PC to finish updating windows"

[pearl trench]

I'm in the boat that something went awfully wrong in the middle of R7E1, which is potentially linked to the story behind the alts

There's gotta be a reason Schaeffer didn't contact us at all after the teleport

[eternal talon]

IMO I've played through r7e1 twice, and I've seen nothing tied to us merging with alt, but it's pretty much all we've got

[eternal talon]

Well that is easy to explain

[pearl trench]

Yeah we didn't necessarily merge, but probably broke something

[eternal talon]

We were on destination for much much longer than 5 minutes after the teleport

85x1, remember?

He was waiting... a long time, for us to get back.

It's possible he could have fucked off and figured we failed, or that we didn't return to our original worldline

[pearl trench]

Yeah

And we can't guarantee anything since we don't know what the "canon" completion time for anything is

For human players that segment is easily under 5-10 minutes, but who knows how long the devs say we were there

[celest pagoda]

I so badly want info on the "Flesh" substance related to the chargers and info on the spitters. While spitters appear to have some fungal properties (Shooting spores after spitting), we know very little otherwise. The flesh on the other hand, we've now seen sleepers emerge from it, and have seen it overgrow entire rooms and landscapes. While its given a specific name in the files that seems to explain partially what it is, I dont think it's valid to put that as a point when its not been canonically introduced as such.

[pearl trench]

And we probably won't see that again until r8

Hopefully at some point the alts give us a little more than just reconstructing background information

It's been great watching every discussion in the channel end with "so we're pretty sure it's one of these possibilities but we have no more information to narrow it down" lol

[celest pagoda]

It's probably safe to say by this point that the spitters also originate from the fossil, but beyond that, they could be fauna local to where the fossil originates from, possibly mutated.

[eternal talon]

To be fair over the past couple alts it's really just been confirming what we already knew with near certainty, that just wasn't blatantly said. There have only been a handful of new things so far in the alts that are actually meaningful

[pearl trench]

Yeah it's been nice getting confirmation, I just want some forward momentum without having to wait until r8 y'know

[celest pagoda]

So theres no need for me to be vauge, in the files the flesh is name "Innermatter". While again it's not been stated as such in-game, it could point to the intentions the devs have with the flesh.

[pearl trench]

Also the next 3 rundowns are huge so they're certainly not going to lack places to tuck things away

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gtfo-gif-21071858

[eternal talon]

Dont take unreleased things for certain. Even things like this have been cut despite looking near finished

[pearl trench]

I'm still half-sure that clip was just an early version of sleeper licks

[celest pagoda]

Exactly, thats what I meant.

[eternal talon]

That clip is from the original trailer, that had sleeper combat in it

[pearl trench]

I know where it's from

[celest pagoda]

That was the (old) snatcher. Think cave leech from DRG, it's purpose was to punish players who went off on their own. I think itd work amazingly even in modern GTFO. It'd only be a true threat if you were separated from your quad.

But im getting off topic, so

[pearl trench]

I've just gotten increasingly unsure of that interpretation over time, personally
But yeah, anything that's just from game files or non-release footage isn't necessarily going to end up canon

[celest pagoda]

(I just wish we'd get some concept art, scouring game files is my only source of that lol)

BUT, after the whole mapper situation, I get why theyd not want to

[eternal talon]

The deployable cover and player-hostile turrets would have been so cool

[pearl trench]

I think deployable cover probably would've been less cool than you'd hope, but some neutral obstacles would've been a neat addition especially to loud sequences

[clever niche]

Deployable cover refueled by a tool refill would turn the game into bloons defense

[plush nest]

is the log in r7c2 near the end important or not really?

[solar nova]

Depends on what you mean.

They're all on wiki.

[plush nest]

Oh thats cool

[plush nest]

was kinda wondering if its worth it to try and have a look at it or just finish the level and move on

[solar nova]

Uty really, depends on the group I'm with for me personally.

[burnt wren]

I love reading logs with 20 seconds of reactor countdown left

[celest pagoda]

So, the Chichiricu are confirmed to be on the surface in some form. From what I could find, the name originates from a cryptic of Cuban legend, described as monkey-human hybrids with other distinct details.

https://cryptidarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Güije

Chichiricu was stated to be another name for the Guije

While it's not explicitly stated that what the soldiers saw was humanoid, the name chosen gives reason to believe what they say in fact was humanoid.

It makes sense the Cuban soldiers named the sleepers after legends native to their home. The sleepers hold similar physical aspects to the Guije.

But back to the start of this, we know that by 2057 the Chichiricu are on the surface and are atleast 13 to 17 miles out from Garganta given the sightings took place in Pregreso, Mexico.

Given that the main events of the game take place around the 2063 timeframe, its likely the Daylight Mission had since been completed or the crew was slaughtered. On top of that, the Chichiricu could have spread much further across the Americas in the span of 6 years.

[burnt wren]

What if they succeed and it's actually them who's controlling us. Although who knows...

The probability of their survival is dubious at best.

[celest pagoda]

While I would say the sleepers pose a threat to an unfamiliar group, there's likely way more soldiers than an average quad has, AND they have military equipment that we don't have or that wouldn't fit in Garganta.

[solar nova]

The WRDN should predate them iirc.

Also, I doubt numbers + military equipment is enough.

Kovac should have had that, but still lost.

The WRDN also doesn't seem to think that's a sound strategy, given we're basically fighting a guerilla war mission-to-mission.

[celest pagoda]

Fair, and even with that equipment the absolute numbers and the rate at which sleepers can grow their numbers would flood em regardless.

Either way, those who are left after the pandemic might have a whole new shitshow to deal with if the sleepers are taking over territory on the surface

But whats possibly the worst of it is the fact the parasite is now on the surface as well.

[eternal talon]

If there are sleepers, there is the parasite. No doubt. The virus can't manifest the creatures without it.

[finite vine]

still wonder why Schaeffer is not dead yet due to NAM-V

[wet smelt]

Maybe something to do with excessive exposure to artifacts?

[eternal talon]

Plot hole, yes.

Should have died literally years ago.

[finite vine]

maybe he's immune or something like that

then what about henrickson?

[eternal talon]

According to the WHO that's not possible, but eh

(Natural immunity that is)

[eternal talon]

He should also be dead, just not as dead as schaeffer

[burnt wren]

TFW when you wrote a virus to guaranteed kill in 1 month, but then realise that events of your game take multiple months

That one is gonna get retconned with a .50 cal any time now

[harsh saffron]

It's not a plot hole and isn't anything to retcon tho?
Virus kills ppl in 1 month -> HSU lets you survive apparently for an infinite amount of time -> Schaeffer isn't dead yet.
Conclusion: He has access to an HSU.

[burnt wren]

Yeah, but you can't exit it by yourself. Someone has to let you out. Who lets him out each time?
And there's no way in hell he risks getting Warden'd again. So yeah, it is a massive plot hole.

Either they retcon it, or they will end up with some lame excuse.

[real pewter]

well, schaeffer also pull henriksson out

wouldn't that trigger the warden?

[burnt wren]

When I say "getting Warden's" - I mean getting chipped and turned into a KSO again.

A big catalyst for that is being in an HSU that Warden has access to.

Schaeffer doesn't even know that he's infected, at least so far he didn't provide any clue that he might be aware. Mimic tried to warn him, but Schaff just killed him mid sentence.

[harsh saffron]

I mean it's not super hard to believe you can just set a timer before entering an Hsu. I agree with your last argument, we haven't heard him learning about the virus and the effect of Hsus.

[burnt wren]

While that definetely could be a feature of an HSU (reminds me of futurama) - we have no evidence it exists. Both Dauda and Schaeffer put themselves into HSUs willingly knowing what they are and didn't even consider using that feature. To listen to them - it's a one-way ticket.

[harsh saffron]

Thats fair, I just wanted to say that just because we don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Especially when the the technology required is basically on the same level as the timer on a microwave.

[real pewter]

what is the audio log for the U22 confirming schaeffer have the virus?

[harsh saffron]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs#Schaeffer_message_(R6DX)
"The Warden? Yes, we are friends. You have the virus. "

[real pewter]

how did U22 instantly know schaeffer have the virus?

[burnt wren]

Because everyone does.

You can't escape it.

It's the most infectious virus in history.

Aggressively attack from all possible fronts, air included.

You take a single breath in Garganta - you're doomed.

[real pewter]

schaffer has been out of the hsu for how long?

[burnt wren]

Fuckin' months

And we have it on record it takes a month until death, at best.

For some people it takes a week or two.

[real pewter]

so, can the virus get slow down by HSU or freeze?

[burnt wren]

Unclear. Either it sloes it down, or it resets or... Fuck knows.

There is a log saying that it effectively kills the parasite for good, but viral load continues increasing no matter what. So I guess it simply slows down the process.

Assuming average mission playtime is 1 hour, +1 hour for wake / sleep procedures and misc...

About 10 mission per rundown...

7 rundowns...

[real pewter]

don't forget Destination have different time thingy...

so basically, the team should have been dead as well

[burnt wren]

70 missions... We've been awake for some 150 hours only.

So yeah, we are far away from death.

[burnt wren]

That part doesn't really matter for us.

[real pewter]

would it count if you tp to "destination" since "destination" give different time

[burnt wren]

Time goes normally for us when on the planet. But earth gets fastforwarded

[real pewter]

also, bishop was on Destination which is on Allen's homeworld

[burnt wren]

All that means is Schaeffer is super dead.

He was but for him it was a like a couple of days.

For death it was... A month or something.

[real pewter]

also, we're just assuming each mission time is 1 hour each

do we know what's the creature teleporting in R5 is?

[burnt wren]

Nope.

Not a fucking clue.

Never seen in and don't have any other recorded encounters.

We can only assume its not an average sleeper

As the worker claimed it looked directly at him and didn't attack immediately, but rather was just starring for a decent time. Presumably out of curiosity.

[real pewter]

wait wait wait

which rundown is it exactly for this log

i could be misremembering thing

[burnt wren]

I wonder if Writers even remember about that log anymore.

[solar nova]

R6 iirc

[harsh saffron]

Yeah R6
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs#DT-E105-009

[real pewter]

feel like they're teasing a new enemy

[burnt wren]

A year long tease lmao

Inb4 the Allen teleports in, kills everyone, game over.

The Lame is strong

[real pewter]

let's go back on track

[austere depot]

In the his ALT//R3 logs, he sounds infected. At the very least, he describes the same symptoms as Hammerstein in his logs. One moment...

Schaeffer log: HW5-BI7-120
"I feel, heavy. Like my brain is wet. I'm tired. It could just be this place. The dark. Those... creatures. What the hell are they?"

Hammerstein log: 7GY-HYP-SDW
"I cannot shake this sickness. I feel better for short periods but then it returns. My head is heavy. My brain feels damp. At times I feel like something is living inside me."

[burnt wren]

Hammerstein is kinda idiotic.

He's got a virus murdering him and he's too busy with his noble prise.

[broken oriole]

Did the prisoner squad teleported to a different timeline in R7E1?

[burnt wren]

Different planet achtuakhally but who fucking knows at this point.

[eternal talon]

Well, at the very least probably isn't our...

Final destination

🥁

[solemn kraken]

also timeline tho. as it continues in Alt R1 no ?

[finite vine]

HSU kills NAM-V i believe

[burnt wren]

Nah. Our characters would say something about it, but we haven't got a single comment or acknowledgement.

As far as I'm concerned - alts are just CCTV footage of alternate squads doing their thing.

[finite vine]

Ah good point, i thought he was referring to the chip in his brain

[solemn kraken]

well in that case it has to be alt Bishop and co, as its not rando's and we do the same stuff as the OG team

[pearl trench]

It's going to take a while but r6d4 has got to be the alt level I'm looking forward to the most for lore. It has to be relevant to all this... right?

[eternal talon]

Indeed, couldn't be cctv if we have two bishops because of the mask

[eternal talon]

I did too. But yeah, makes sense.

[burnt wren]

Hm. Devs originally said not to think too much about it as it was mostly an experimental level to see how far they can take the teleporting mechanics for gameplay purposes. That level is incoherent in what it wants or what we do... Just sort of trying to survive and that's that.

[pearl trench]

Yeah, seems like a free 3-point shot on the rerun tho

[solemn kraken]

well I mean they did do the whole corrupted datacubes thing that is not really too far fetched that they could get us to alternate realities

[pearl trench]

They should go the blaseball route and make bugs part of the lore too

[pearl trench]

Tampered, not corrupted
Which super implies someone messed with them intentionally

[solemn kraken]

fair point

have to rerun that level soon. to relive it

[pearl trench]

Relive the slideshow enemies

Still a great blind run, since it's impossible to truly know how close you are to the end for most of it

Though judging by performance, another layer might've just crashed the engine lol

[solemn kraken]

It ran well for me

[pearl trench]

Were you hosting? I think enemies only really chugged for clients

[solemn kraken]

like R7D1 hits way harder

and that runs pretty well as well

[solemn kraken]

both

[solar nova]

It ran... okay for me.

[pearl trench]

Other than the usual surge alarm frame rate

[solar nova]

I was actually fine in every other dimension, but D4 was giving me some frame drops.

[pearl trench]

Hmmm

Dimensions do some weird stuff

For me it wasn't even framerate, it was just the enemies

DX's tower of power docked me some frames, but not D4 (except for surge)

D4 just caused enemies to stop rendering at the same rate as the rest of the game, but I guess that wasn't a universal issue

[solemn kraken]

Never noticed something like that

[pearl trench]

I'd love to see that retconned into the lore as sleepers being affected by matter wave instability or something, with inconsistent results. Would be a very funny way to enshrine gtfo's buggy nature.

Hopefully r6 alt in general is at least as good for lore as its original tho

[solar nova]

MWP and Sniper Melee introduced in same rundown.

Coincidence???

[pearl trench]

TRUE

[pine agate]

Man I miss when Schaeffer was absolutely gone like in the og old rundowns

Now he seems a bit more sane than before

[solar nova]

I haven't been told to go deeper or called brother in more than a year, and I'm not sure what to do with myself anymore.

[pine agate]

Honestly I prefer the old way the devs introduced Schaeffer, a crazy dude that completely lost it but is inclined to find a way to communicate with others.

In ALT R3 it felt more bland and straightforward

[solar nova]

I feel like the angle might just be that he's not spent a significant amount of time alone in the complex yet.

His mental is still as fresh as you could hope for.

[eternal talon]

god this is quiet.

[harsh pike]

The Complex has no restrooms, cafeterias, or rest spaces because Santonian Industries is a child company of Amazon.

[fiery hornet]

They make you wear colostomy bags and catheters. No rest required with the stims and booster just work round the clock 🙂

[lofty warren]

So is there a complete lore drop for r3 already?

Someplace I can enjoy myself with for the entire day?

😬

[eternal talon]

Ehh, not really much interesting afik

I'd check the wiki, regardless

[pine agate]

I mean, other than confirming that the world outside is in shambles and that Schaeffer removed his chip, nothing much really.

Also scientists being unable to analyze the bodies of the sleepers since they dematerialize shortly after they die.

[eternal talon]

we already knew the outside world was destroyed, the only new info in that regard is that it will never ever recover. That is also specific to alt//'s worldline too, not our original.

he had to have removed his chip otherwise he'd be under the control of the warden. that didn't need to be said in a log.

sleepers dematerializing is less of a concern because not only are those scientists on the surface unaffiliated with kovac and garganta (so basically useless), but we know that not all sleepers do as seen many times.

[pine agate]

Yeah, basically

[inner basin]

[hard linden]

Is it me or there are 2 variants of striker? One is paler and the other one is darker colored with whiter teeth. Am I the only one seeing this or people can also tell

maybe i'm crazy who knows!

[lean wren]

there is a log about it I suggest u to try to find it :))))

I think I saw it in r3 somewhere but Im not sure

[burnt wren]

Apparently that's a thing and we even got an in-lore log confirming as much.
Personally i never noticed, but apparently the sleepers that actually sleep around are much more pale than the ones that come for you during alarms.

Love would to see a side by side screenshot if that's possible

[hot burrow]

Dark skin - better hunting

And idk if anything was said about then normal ones

R3A1 has a log talking about it

[hard linden]

100% can confirm

will provide screenshots tho when possible

[hard linden]

sleeper and alarm sleeper

alarm sleeper is harder to screenshot because teammates keep killing

[eternal talon]

amateurs.

door cheese does it again

(here is normal for comp)

[hard linden]

spaghetti

[hard linden]

and meatballs

[eternal talon]

hahahahahhaha

[strange grove]

how do the new r3 logs relate to chimp theory

[eternal talon]

Chad theory is true. Chimp theory has been proven false for a long time.

[sudden quarry]

ur just a sinner

[eternal talon]

Kinda rude.

[strange grove]

Sorry pal, chimp theory has been confirmed since before you owned this game