gtfo-lore

[flat tiger]

forgive me father for i have sinned, it has been almost five months since my last speaking

nice little tidbit about GLP-1 what i found while doing research for a school paper

it's actually a hormone that regulates feelings of hunger within the body, it's a satiety signal

i have no idea if anyone ever said anything about it in the past 5 months but there ya go

given i think it was a chemical we were gathering i THIIINK for the neonate back in the first runthrough of rundown 3 or 4, it's possible that it's actually a chemical being used to suppress biological processes to maintain the system of artificial cryptobiosis that is hydrostasis

or wait no that's wrong

idk i imagine it could be used for something like that

[burnt wren]

Or Warden just doesn't want neonates to experience infinite hunger

Interrupts work, you know

[finite vine]

I thought they said the creatures disappeared before they could kill one

oh, nvm, i read it wrong

yea the creatures are probably sleepers

well, we are still not sure if NAM-V alone can create sleepers, or if something else is required

right?

[finite vine]

I would imagine it’s used for Hydrostasis

yea the more logs I read about this “Daylight Project”, it seems more likely that the WRDN was created by the Daylight project and they are in fact using BIOCOM to access garganta and find a cure for NAM-V.

if so, that’s a pretty cool story, almost like WICKED from maze runner, if y’all has seen the movie or read the books.

[austere depot]

Davies is implied to be the only one with the access codes outside of Garganta 🤔 Should not be ruled out. If they got to him or he had a change of heart, perhaps there is a way there.
That would add another potential face behind the WRDN with an interest in the Neophytes for their apparent immunity, their invisibility to the sleepers and long term potential capability to delve 'deeper'.

Where it may not match, is the possibility that the WRDN was installed much sooner. So far, we have theorized that the strange reported KSO behaviors begun after the WRDN was installed, where it experienced with shared memory in between HSU storage.

[flat tiger]

i do imagine it is used within hydrostasis to suppress hunger, for the neonate they're already resuscitated by the time we start to collect GLP-1 cannisters, and we collect a particularly large amount of it for a neonate, which makes me think it wasn't for that in particular

my other thought is knowing that that could be used as a hormone to reduce aggression from some of the larger creatures deeper in the complex, the same way that an alligator can act rather tame around a trainer if they've been well fed

[austere depot]

Could be for the 15000 units hinted at in Log: BDG-UT3-54HC 👀

[finite vine]

True

[austere depot]

Unless.. the installation of WRDN was a move made by Andrew Clinton.
It is implied that he also knew the access code.
He would have a motive after increasing Kovac aggression.
Clinton though is a bit of a Schrödingers cat situation. Dead in 'prime' reality and 'alive' in //ALT (though we do not know for how long).

If the death of a friend (Igor Rostock C122) made him have a change of heart, perhaps he did something to help.
Nothing confirms this, however (damnit!)

I am still baffled though that I missed the corpses inside the Mainframe for so long. Unless it is an oversight by the developers, no one should have had access to that area without the access codes.

With how little we know, they could be the remains of the team that made it, for all we know.

[stone vine]

[austere depot]

...Tin-foil theory, for no other reason than that I like to think about it x'D
the WRDN being a virus-free strain of the parasites working the Biological dna-computer (BIOCOM) to its whims.

Would it even have a motive? Well, the benefits for the parasite are not stated. Dauda (when he was a doctor) pointed out it prolongs their life indefinitely, but states it is unclear what else it has to gain. He was unable to uncover how the two affected the behavior of one another before it all caved down around him. Therefore, aside from immortality, we do not know if the parasite even wants to carry the virus. Stated to possess a form of collective intelligence in numbers, he also did not have time to find out how the virus affected the chemistry of this collective intelligence. So maybe.. it runs the parasite like a 'zombie horde' rather than a 'guided, collaborative collective'.

And this is silly, I know, but if that is the case.. the parasite would have an actual motive to rid itself of the virus x'D

'Immortality, but at what cost?'

That is, assuming the collective is intelligent enough.

[austere depot]

And you are all going to think I am crazy. But given the craziness of the things we have witnessed so far in the game and the insane things we have witnessed in game.. Examples include:

A virus Re-writing DNA into tailored killing machines.
Shadow-entities.
Quantum teleportation.
Extraterrestrial viral infections.
Alternate timelines.
The gaping holes in the complex left by quark-gluon plasma beams.
A DNA based computer in BIOCOM.

What if, what is down in the deep, are the remnants of a microbiological civilization? A colony of the parasites, if you will. If BIOCOM is a biological cell-based dna computer, what's to say that a collective of parasites can't achieve a form of intelligence? It would boil down to chemistry and computation. Data and information processed through chemistry, as a large, collective intelligent biological intelligence.
If dependent on a large colony (collective unit) to generate its intelligence, a hijacking virus would be an immense threat if it interferes with that process. It would be akin to shredding brain-cells, shredding the computational power of the collective.

It is just a crazy thought I am having though, with very little evidence.
So far, Dauda has only observed examples of the virus-free strain in smaller numbers - which showed some capability of cooperation, but limited. It suggests the parasite is capable of sharing information in between units, but that is all we have so far.
Dauda observing a few virus-free parasites working together to try and escape a capsule designed to entrap microbiological units, is hardly anything to show-case a capability of generating a higher form of intelligence. It only confirms that the parasite is cooperative in nature.

Thinking of intelligent parasites with quantum level technology having their own little zombie apocalypse though.. is fun x'D

[jaunty widget]

To build on your idea there it would make some logical sense. I don't if it's been said what happens to someone who only has the parasite and not NAM-V but the idea of a parasite taking over it's host in our world (to some extent) isn't unheard of. NAM-V as a virus somehow might have evolved to change the transformation the parasites cause and turn the host into a more mindless animal to help propogate the disease faster instead of something more familiar like causing coughing.

Especially since the activities of snatchers clearly show the sleepers have some use for dead bodies, whatever that might be.

[keen mantle]

Do you think dead bodies are fused with lived one to create stronger threats like Tanks?

[eternal talon]

Tanks are only one body. Posted pic a could days ago. You can see the head split apart and everything

[jaunty widget]

Dunno, maybe? It does seem like they do express specialization to fit the needs of the hive/pack/whatever you want to call it. Whether or not that means the changes in one person are different to result in different varieties or if one sleeper is altered with more biomass is beyond me.

Nevermind sounds like it's one then.

[eternal talon]

MGRRCollectiveConsciousness.mp3

[eternal talon]

I'm sorry, wtf is daylight project?

[austere depot]

YES ;D
We as humans however, may not like the idea of such a type of intelligence due to our egoes. We want to be individuals. If an intelligence were to evolve without ego however, it may result in something vastly different. Could we even comprehend it or its motivations?

[eternal talon]

ANOTHER lore significant project?

[jaunty widget]

It's mentioned in the new ALT logs

[eternal talon]

(Insight, rise)

[jaunty widget]

In a nutshell seems to be people outside garganta trying to get in to make a NAM-V vaccine.

[keen mantle]

So this Daylight Project is ONLY found in Alts

[eternal talon]

Yes, though we only have the one WHO log about their expedition and nothing after... it's safe to say if we don't find nothing that they probably died soon after breaking into garganta

[austere depot]

Indeed!

[jaunty widget]

I'm not saying they were succeeded or still exist in current game time, you just asked who they were.

[eternal talon]

And I also don't think they are behind the warden for two reasons. 1) code was super super secret and waaaaaay deep underground in kds deep, and 2) because it was doing funky shit years before that team made it into garganta

[eternal talon]

Well, at least it's a name to that one log and who was trying to break into GGTA

[keen mantle]

Ok so, question

[eternal talon]

Ask and I shall answer

[keen mantle]

Is there ANY relevance from Insight/Rise in the Alts?

Or any similarities?

Cuz this is the first I. Heard about Daylight Project

[eternal talon]

In terms of differences? None so far

Though they don't really even come up until r6

[jaunty widget]

I think this is also supported by the fact the warden wants to keep garganta locked down. While what it's doing MIGHT be part of finding a better solution to NAM-V than taking a HSU nap it doesn't line up with Daylight trying to get in.

[eternal talon]

The units was wardens doing so it's unrelated to rise, only info we have on that is a couple logs from back then

If they aren't changed in alt//r3, or the machines are the same/objectives, it's probably still the same until we see more

[keen mantle]

I meant to say, is there any Information about Insight/rise that was in the logs that we already know in the Alts? Aside from temporal changes

[eternal talon]

I've only read a couple logs that were posted here.. some were talking about research on the virus and subtypes

I argued for a bit in regards to melting corpses of sleepers, which is another discrepancy now

[keen mantle]

Hmm. That is odd

[eternal talon]

Since one of the new logs say they melt, and in gameplay they melt, but there are corpses fully intact we find occasionally

[jaunty widget]

There was another log posted that says some types do melt and some types don't.

[eternal talon]

So far all of the non-melty corpses have been pale strikers

[jaunty widget]

And I think it used the word "dematerialize" to clear up the vagueness that could have been snatchers just scooping them up before they could be recovered.

[keen mantle]

Can I see that log?

[eternal talon]

Also interesting they are bringing up subtypes and specifics on the parasite but don't mention the eggs whatsoever 🥚

[jaunty widget]

First paragraph #gtfo-lore message

[eternal talon]

Yeah, I didn't see that initially upon first reading. Certainly a socket wrench

[jaunty widget]

Just devs realizing they have assets for dead sleepers so they had to retcon their explanation of game mechanics 😅

[keen mantle]

XD

[jaunty widget]

That could make sense. If the teams outside the complex are encountering sleepers I imagine they would be the active darker colored versions since they'd likely react to the daylight. Hence why they said getting a body is impossible when asked.

[cunning light]

I honestly just thought the sleepers remains on the ground in R7 "looked cool" and left it at that :D

[keen mantle]

And where’s the log that said Daylight project?

[jaunty widget]

I think it's in one of those other logs posted by the one I linked.

If not it's slightly earlier in the feed.

[keen mantle]

Found it

Hmm… interesting

[eternal talon]

Still, light sleepers "despawn" same as the rest when shot.

It's placed models in the level geometry

[jaunty widget]

Right, it'd have to be some variant of the lighter sleepers, just saying theoretically people on the outside would likely be in contact with the more active dark ones only which lined up with the fact only light corpses are found.

[eternal talon]

^

Wtf is up with the eggs

[jaunty widget]

Of course, they could just put a log into Alt4 that says "we encountered more chimichangas and they were asleep"

[eternal talon]

I love how the community is beating the shit out of that God awful name

It deserves it. beat it harder

[jaunty widget]

If the idea of NAM-V hijacking the parasites hosts has any weight behind it they could be some kind of cyst that has a large viral load in it. Essentially if the sleeper doesn't kill you (and use your corpse for something supposedly), you're likely to pop some while killing it and end up infected anyway.

[eternal talon]

The whole meat puppet thing is so creepy I love it. Makes me consider running a GTFO-verse D&D campaign because the stakes are quite literally worse than death. You'd prefer death

It just sucks how this game is a lot more action-ey than it used to be. Lighting Aswell, the feel of it.

It's one of the reasons why I don't think dead space is as scary as it could be. (Despite being fucking horrifying). Because death is the end for you. You are "free"

Sleepers are biologically immortal. Your stuck being controlled and in Halo flood levels of pain for all of eternity

[jaunty widget]

Also apparently chichiricus are some kind of spirit thing in some Carribean culture. My understanding is they prevent outsiders from coming to the land by killing them in some way so I see what they were going for but yeah the name is kinda lame imo.

[eternal talon]

I mean the fliers we encounter on destination have been around for a minimum of 8 billion years

[eternal talon]

Which is all the funnier when you consider the fact that garganta is not only south of the Carribbean, but also heavily associated with the mayans

[jaunty widget]

They already name dropped flea demons, had to get a fresh new take. 😂

[eternal talon]

Yeah like, what the fuck was the point of that if they aren't gonna use it

Sleepers now have something like 6 different names

And not to MENTION already in alt//r2, the parasites were Parasitidae Garganta and Parasitidae Hammerstein

[jaunty widget]

The way I interpreted that log in particular was mayans only encountered NAM-V but not sleepers. Older cultures associated lots of diseases with demons but it is possible they were actual sleepers as well.

[eternal talon]

That's what I was saying yesterday when someone (don't remember who) was talking about how the surface wasn't wiped out back then

Cus if the parasite did, then it would've

But yeah... confirmed parasites on the surface now in alt//r3. Earth is gone forevs.

No chance of recovery, doomed to a destination-like fate.

[keen mantle]

And when was that confirmed in Prime?

Which Rundown?

[eternal talon]

It was a log posted yesterday with a couple others

[jaunty widget]

I don't think it was. As far as we knew in Prime there weren't parasites on the surface.

At least there were no logs from the outside mentioning sleeper like things.

[eternal talon]

Ehh, that's fair though I was under the assumption our two worldlines just merged, not that we hopped to a different one

[keen mantle]

Oh

(I’m still under assumption that we hopped worlds)

[eternal talon]

Since that's what @rocky wraith said

[rocky wraith]

mlem

[eternal talon]

He dug into that mountain of a spreadsheet when i didn't bother to

[jaunty widget]

I mean it could have. I was just saying before ALT there weren't surface sleepers so I figured "Prime" meant reality before whatever dimensional fuckery occurred

But yeah surface parasites = gg. Assuming you cure NAM-V and the relationship isn't strictly mutually beneficial you'd still have to deal with whatever the hell the parasites do.

[keen mantle]

I thought prime means our original home

[eternal talon]

In our original worldline yeah, zero evidence of them on the surface

[rocky wraith]

prime is our og, but it is also the same og that is combining with others (thats the theory)

[eternal talon]

They advance and "complete" the mutations caused by the virus. They are what meat puppet you and form hives, sort of like ants or bees.

Virus simply kills ya.

Once infected, no cure, you are donezo within the next 5 weeks

The parasite making immortal hosts is what keeps the virus from eating all its food and starving to death. That's the symbiotic relationship

[jaunty widget]

That could still be a one way relationship though. Like @austere depot suggested the parasite could simply want to control its host. Then NAM-V comes in and screws it up resulting in the hive like sleepers instead while taking of advantage of the immortality. In that instance curing NAM-V just means we get screwed by extra dimensional tape worms instead of the extra dimensional flu. It's speculation of course but if they wanted to queue up a sequel of some kind (or just make the end of R8 we cure NAM-V but get screwed anyway) it'd be an easy way to do it.

[open geyser]

Will have to ask, how does a HEL gun/Rifle work? It says hybrid exothermal light gas gun, but is it shooting a bullet by pressureising gas and make it explode, without a cartrage? I just would like a theroy on how it works.

[eternal talon]

Think the tihar from metro except without the manual pump

[open geyser]

Hmmm... Tihar..? Il look it up and see.

[eternal talon]

It's one of the most basic weapons in that game

[cunning light]

Funny enought, the "Rifle" sounds more alike to the Tihar than anything else

[open geyser]

okay... so like some pellet rifle or such. odd.

[eternal talon]

Performs like it too, (except it's not full auto) and it's not Gas driven

[cunning light]

Yep, it reminded me of it quite a bit

"feeling"-wise

[eternal talon]

100%

DMR-lite, one of my favorite vanilla guns

[steep haven]

They're a real thing, just not in a man portable package.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-gas_gun#Hybrid_electrothermal_light-gas_gun

The very basic TL;DR is that by using a compression medium in which the speed of sound is higher than that of air, like a 'light gas' you can achieve greater pressure and therefore impart more velocity onto a projectile.

[open geyser]

Well... that is something...

[stone vine]

what do u guys think abt chimp theory

[burnt wren]

Basically hyper velocity guns. Velocity so great - the sheer force causes violent overpenetration. Hence their main gimmick and selling points.

The rule of thumb for guns is simply: keep increasing projectile's speed and eventually you can penetrate anything.
Reminds me of Brigador and Zeus rail cannon. Its not even shooting explosive rounds - literally just a solid slug, but due to sheer speed at which it comes out the impact causes a violent explosion of excess kinetic force that hits just as hard as conventional HE tank rounds.

[finite vine]

How so? The warden is obviously gathering scientific research into NAM-V and the origins of it. Also, what do you mean by "the warden wants to keep garganta locked down"?

[finite vine]

we have 3 logs regarding the daylight project now. 1) the WHO broadcast from 2057 saying they have sent a team to find the origin of the virus. This was the first log we got. 2) Another log from the WHO that says the Daylight team got to the Yucatan safely, and 3) A log from the head of the Daylight Project saying they have gotten to the Yucatan, this was the log that hints at sleepers being spotted on the surface.

[jaunty widget]

The NAM-V research might simply be to better understand the sleepers and help this fancy units that are supposed to be invisible to sleepers. AFAIK there's no evidence the warden is benevolent and trying to find a cure to help humanity. As HSUs are the only way to cure NAM-V it could even have a vested interest in curing it as this would allow it to send KSOs out into the world if it had an interest in that.

As for the lock down didn't the warden lock down the whole complex not letting anything in or out? Schaffer's been trying to bust out and hasn't figured out how yet. Iirc it's also why in prime the parasites never got out of garganta. It seems like in ALT they have gotten out somehow though.

[finite vine]

I agree with your first point, there is no hard evidence that says the WRDN is researching NAM-V to help humanity.

In terms of locking down the complex, if the daylight project did create the WRDN, then why would they want one of their prisoners to escape? Of course they are going to lock down as much as they can. They are trying to find a cure, the last thing they need is a revolution from the prisoners, which currently, is their only source of manpower to dive deeper into the complex and gather scientific data to develop their cure. And they probably are locking down garganta so more sleepers cant escape.
And we already know that NAM-V literally mutates and can create new species, so who knows what new abominations can come from inside garganta, the epicenter of the NAM-V outbreak.

[soft tartan]

I definitely believe there is some merit to this as you can hear in shaeffers logs as he gets in and out of the HSU that he become more…. Primitive and primal the further we go in.

[jaunty widget]

If Daylight was created by WHO and they created/control the warden that would have a lot of implications that seem hard to explain. That would mean they'd be in on the KSO program in general if you wanted to say they have it locked down to keep prisoners in which AFAIK goes against the whole secrecy thing surrounding the programs in the first place. If it's to keep sleepers in then why does a leader or at least an important person on Daylight not seem to know about sleepers when he has them explained to him? If you've got other reasons why they'd have the warden lock it down I'm all ears but both of those have implications that don't vibe to me.

[finite vine]

All I'm saying is, we know that this Daylight Project is going to garganta to try to find a cure for NAM-V.
We also know that garganta is completely controlled by BIOCOM, literally everything about it. And if you control BIOCOM, you control garganta.
In addition to that, garganta is completely full of deadly sleepers, and that sucks for the scientists because they need to go into garganta to gather research.
But, lucky for them, garganta basically has a legion of highly brainwashed security officers that can be deployed in seconds to literally anywhere in the complex, and they listen to orders no matter what. That sounds like a gold mine honestly, if they control BIOCOM, they have all the tools they need to further research to develop a cure.

[jaunty widget]

Sure but then why does Daylight's seem to be to investigate and not simply retrieve data/samples. They want to go to garganta because they suspect the bodies have a large viral load. If the WHO was able to track the origins to around the complex but no further their mission makes sense. If they have control of BIOCOM it doesn't make as much sense as they could have BIOCOM gather up what they need and go pick it up. None of the logs seem to imply that's what they're doing though.

You could be right though. We'd just need some logs to confirm the implications though but there's still 4 more rundowns where they could put them.

[finite vine]

There is the possibility of them gathering intelligence from former employees of garganta, or even, through former Kovac employees.

Also im not sure what you mean by "they have it locked down to keep prisoners in which AFAIK goes against the whole secrecy thing surrounding the programs in the first place" It does not matter if it goes against the secrecy of the KSO program. If the daylight project found out about the KSO's and BIOCOM and is using it, they could care less about the secrecy, they need to find a cure to save what is left of humanity.

Also not sure what you mean about this " If it's to keep sleepers in then why does a leader or at least an important person on Daylight not seem to know about sleepers when he has them explained to him?"

[finite vine]

using samples from the viral load bodies is not enough to find a cure for NAM-V. we know this from a previous log. I think it was stokes or either another scientist in the insight project said that if a cure is to be made, we need to go to the origin of the virus, which is Destination.

but yea im not trying to say im 100% right and your wrong, just saying what I think

[jaunty widget]

Sure but if they didn't create the warden they'd at least need to find out about it to control it, which we haven't seen any evidence for. If they created it that has some pretty big implications and their response doesn't make much sense. The warden existed before the collapse of nato. This implies the WHO would know the virus came from garganta but are just now sending a team to go check it out?

As for them not knowing one of the daylight logs seems to imply the person taking the log doesn't know about the sleepers. Which while Santonian might keep that on a need to know basis the WHO doesn't seem like it would to me. I could see yoyr idea working they if found about the warden and are just taking advantage of it. But then you'd think they'd know about Destination then which one of the logs seems to contradict. I was wrong about why the viral load was important. The log indicates they're going to the town near garganta because there's a large viral load which implies it's closer to the origin which to me says they are simply following the signs to garganta instead of actively knowing its where they wanted to go beforehand.

Either way if we don't find out who/what/where the warden came from by the end of R8 I'm gonna riot.

[eternal talon]

This 1000%.

There is no universe that the warden was created by the WHO. We already know for a fact from a Andre Piros log that it is either a) an inside job by them, or b) an allen construct. It's not even worth talking about in my eyes, there are so many holes about them making it that it is holier than the Vatican.

Secondly, even if the group made it into garganta (which we don't know), they'd have to get thousands of meters down into KDS-Deep to even have a chance of directly accessing it. Even with what schaeffer did, isn't affecting the warden. It's affecting biocom.

[eternal talon]

Yes. Until alt//r3, it was one of the very last logs in the timeline. Wrdn sealing bulkheads and a worker getting eaten by sleepers after complaining that the system isn't responding to his requests.

#522572401385668608GotFucked #WhomsoeverControlsTheDoorsControlsTheUniverse

[eternal talon]

Yep

[upbeat frost]

does this mean the sleepers are on the surface now?

[real pewter]

yes

[broken oriole]

Schaeffer face reveal when?

[sudden quest]

is there an alt r3 checklist yet

[harsh saffron]

Haven't searched in D1 yet (and didn't check 1 terminal in C1) but so far I got:
A1: 2
A2: 1
A3: 1
B1: 1
B2: 2
C1: 2

[real pewter]

zone 389 have 2 logs in d1

[stone vine]

they made optimization actual lore

im not even surprised

so sleepers canonically just turn into purple goop and float into the unknown

[burnt wren]

Questionable decision

[stone vine]

yeah but atp theyre putting weird loopholes in their own lore on purpose so

go them ig

all i can think abt that would logically explain that is they decompose into fungal spores or some other biomass and are reabsorbed

by the big nest at the bottom

possibly can be related to why angry sleepers r purple

[burnt wren]

or the parasite just eats the host in an instant when it dies

[stone vine]

yeah but then where does the parasite go

to like a pocket dimension ...?

could actually be viable

considering alt is like literally another dimension

i would imagine they definitely get repurposed tho bc i think weve established the parasite itself is actually quite intelligent

or whatever the cause for the parasite is

im assuming the creatures alr on destination caused them to come about

but also that leaves more questions as to how fully intact but dead sleepers still remain

like the ones placed by schaeffers house and in c1

it could be that removal of the parasite stops the decomposition considering usually all the dead models have been disembowled

and theyre strickers which means the intestine was the repurposed body part for the parasite to attack

also all the weird respawn sacks also drop intestines on the floor under them

so im gonna say decomposition has to be done with parts of the host that are still infested with it

and intestines r the main focus here for some reason

im glad angry sleepers r finally getting actual lore explanations now but its basically stuff weve already assumed for the past 3 years

[stone vine]

the more i think abt it that could actually make a lot of sense

with artifacts being a thing and knowing that the virus/parasite most likely came from destination as artifacts and biomass have extremely similar compositions

so they quite literally could be somehow dissolving and then reobsorbed into destination lmao

its kind of a silly theory tho but who knows

not entirely sure but they have to have some significance for the devs to have brought it up as a lore point

has anyone actually heard schaeffer say anything i have him muted

[burnt wren]

what, in alt rundowns? nothing yet

[solar nova]

He has 1 audio log.

[stone vine]

can u summarize it?

was he just dissing warden again

[solar nova]

Mad disrespect.

Basically raving about the Warden droning on in his head, and his memory being shaky.

[stone vine]

ok sounds like the usual

he hasnt said anything useful since r7

also

to my best understanding the only time we ever know what goes on with a baby is in r7

where we basically turn it into a grown person in seconds

so what exactly do we create with the r3 baby because that wasn't explained

we neural link it and leave it there maybe its mom lore

either it was poor wording and they just meant what we do in bianhua or like something happened to that baby

i still wanna know why doing that triggers a mom and whats up with pmom

im all for confusing lore but alt is actually opening so many more loopholes like im not sure how theyre going to like address all the lore theyre making

and did we ever decode the r2 alien log

[eternal talon]

no.

[stone vine]

hmmm

either we’re still missing the info to decode it or this is the first thing we haven’t been able to decide

or we’re missing something

but it’s very much not unlike the devs to add a log that doesn’t get explained till later

[coarse canyon]

Can someone share the alien log?

[keen mantle]

I still find that disturbing… I hearing certain sounds that are only made electronically (I use cochlear implants which are like electronic artificial hearing). I downloaded that to a specific list so I can listen to it via phone.

Idk but in the spots where I thought there was silence for you, there was extremely faint clicks or statics so idk if that means anything

[harsh saffron]

There is basically a rather static background noise all the time with the deeper sounds in a "seemingly" random pattern changing in volume. Kinda strange to explain but yeah.

[keen mantle]

Oh ok

I thought the faint statics was odd.

[rocky wraith]

it actually makes a tonne of sense for some of the theories

[eternal talon]

like?

[rocky wraith]

It was speculated that the virus/parasite operated across the membrane, like a giant cross dimensional hive mind. Like how the scouts 'bring in' waves from nowhere and how the sleepers are everywhere and in places they shouldn't be

When the sleepers die, their hold on this membrane vanishes, and so what remains is pulled back through to their original membrane

Sleepers that don't disappear could in fact be ones that originated in this membrane

like the corpses on the floors

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/shaggy2dope-shaggy-and-the-creep-sat-c-insane-clown-posse-icp-gif-21456249

when was this a thing?

[rocky wraith]

We discussed this months ago

[eternal talon]

did we?

I don't recall

[rocky wraith]

it was a wild theory and we didn't put much stock in it because there were better alternatives

[rocky wraith]

I think you got mad at the hive mind aspect and focused on that

idk

Food for thought

Gonna sleep now, goodnight

[eternal talon]

night.

[austere depot]

I was part of this x'D
I did not apply the networked intelligence to the virus / parasite specifically though 🤔 I theorized that the virus was somehow capable of multiply variants across membranes. It was stated to have the capability to write its own 'genetic trees' as it went along, resulting in widely different genetic re-writing and re-coding within each membrane, which would be troublesome as it appears that assimilating membranes into one another, requires a high degree of similarity. (I come up with the crazy stuff x'D)

[eternal talon]

and like that, you've lost me in the science of big brain

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeYg33hMyQc

[austere depot]

Well.. simply put
In membrane A, you get an apple
In membrane B, you get a banana
If the thing theorized to delve in the deep decides to join membrane A and B. What happens? (this I want to know x'D )

Does it result in an amalgamation?

Or does it put both the Apple and the Banana in the same timeline?

[austere depot]

So either, it does not make a large different. It picks either option for the 'joined membranes' (a or b, whichever is suited)

If it adds both A and B however, then.. that would imply that sleepers potentially multiply on each convergence 0-0

Also, I may just be paranoid. But have we ever seen the extraction barge come for us? 🤔

What if it never does and all we do, is part of some twisted machine learning conspiracy? 😱

What if the extraction is really just 'data extraction'?

so the WRDN can learn and share data with its counterparts across membranes - for how to solve each mission?

leaving 'variants' of the characters to die

[eternal talon]

only in r5e1, and it was already there.

we just used it to escape thru the roof

[eternal talon]

*the roof of the silo

[austere depot]

Isn't that one used to go further down? 👀

[eternal talon]

no. it is the extraction zone

[gentle minnow]

Can someone tell me why Techman makes both Burst Cannon and Machineguns but yet they decided to spend most of their R&D into the Burst Cannon? The machinegun is so trash LOL

[austere depot]

No confirmation of this. Just speculation 👀
What if it did not extract the prisoners to the top, but stored them there for future use?
Variants for the 'next phase', if you will.

[eternal talon]

the fact that the place is already at max capacity?

[lavish lake]

ban him, he´s trolling

[austere depot]

Do we know that? 🤔

[eternal talon]

we go there to unlock it for the warden. the place as already as full as it possibly could be when schaeffer got there, since biocom had been recalling units for weeks

[red oasis]

who do i contact about a feature i found in this game, in the "special weapon" slot theres 2 entire weapons both under the name "machine gun" but they are completely worthless, is this going to be fixed at some point?

[eternal talon]

yes. via schaeffer's three origin audio logs

[eternal talon]

not lore relavant

[gentle minnow]

FRosty do you think Schaeffer was taking a Burst Cannon?

[eternal talon]

gameplay value is subjective

[eternal talon]

in what context?

[gentle minnow]

FROSTY SCHAEFFERSOLOED R4E1 WITHOUT DOOR GLITCH

he has to take burst cannon i cant see another way its possible

[eternal talon]

to be fair he did door glitch though. he managed to close a SEC door.

[lavish lake]

frosty you kinda toxic ngl

[eternal talon]

all of them, in fact.

[lavish lake]

you acting like the father of the lore thread

[finite vine]

I think he said that he was using the vents to get around

[eternal talon]

indeed. though he explicitly says he closed the doors. give me a moment.

[austere depot]

He actually did though. Only guy in lore to close a sec-door behind him.

[finite vine]

cool, I missed that

[austere depot]

Also only guy to escape an HSU? 🤔

[red oasis]

guys why do you think the warden has such a wide array of guns

ranging from really good to compeltely worthless

[manic moss]

와우

[finite vine]

I think it all comes down to a personal skill issue with how u use the weapons

[eternal talon]

we still don't know how he escaped. it is the discrepancy.

[red oasis]

like i want to know why the warden has such useless weapons (the machine guns)

[finite vine]

thats probably what is happening to u

[gentle minnow]

Skyrope

[red oasis]

oh NICE dude

[eternal talon]

@ 0:51

[finite vine]

lmao

[red oasis]

i wish i was as good as you

[gentle minnow]

do you think MAchinegun is bettere than Burstcannon

[red oasis]

yikes

[finite vine]

define bettere

[red oasis]

ok so

[manic moss]

한국인 없으신가

[red oasis]

2>1

[lavish lake]

you have every audio file downloaded and ready to send?

[red oasis]

is machine gun 2 or 1

[burnt wren]

Machine guns are better than burst by mine accounts

[red oasis]

no koreans here

[eternal talon]

they are scavenged from the security staff. they've been without maintenance for years. its a miracle they dont jam

[burnt wren]

The biggest of all being reliable and usable in any and all situations.

[eternal talon]

just about, yeah.

[finite vine]

idk, I just use the guns lmao, I dont really worry too much about the stats, if they do their job and get me extracted then thats all that matters

i mainly use assault rifle

[burnt wren]

Burst Cannon only exists for priority targets and is wasted on anything smaller than a scout

[red oasis]

sorry not many korean people in gtfo discord : (

[frozen crescent]

burst cannon is the best because schaeffer uses 2 of them

my theory is that he will solo r8 to save us

[eternal talon]

we dont know of him using any guns... actually

[burnt wren]

As for lore - yeah, it's salvaged security gear.

[red oasis]

yeah but whats the machie gun for

[lavish lake]

its fair to assume that whoever made the machine pistol got fired?

[eternal talon]

he wasn't a part of security staff, either. so he wasn't trained

[burnt wren]

Which makes you wonder why the fuck kovac security armed like a goddamn military battalion.

[austere depot]

Guy wasn't even supposed to be hired x'D

[eternal talon]

to be fair they were fighting a losing war of attrition against the sleepers for half a decade.

[burnt wren]

Hm. That could be fair.

[gentle minnow]

how do you lose this war with a burst cannon

[manic moss]

Have you ever seen Koreans on gtfo discord?

[red oasis]

not very often

[eternal talon]

because they don't have infinite ammo and there are infinite sleepers.

[gentle minnow]

Yes, Breezerious, Lucidious, Demonicus, Bubonicus

[eternal talon]

#Pmommy

[burnt wren]

Also because presumably they had to deal with worse than whatever we experience.

[lavish lake]

@eternal talon are there any hints in the lore to as why the prisoners use such primitive tools like hammers while having highly advanced guns? why are there no taser

[eternal talon]

like immortals, indeed.

[burnt wren]

Not just that.

[eternal talon]

same as guns. its salvanged equipment.

[burnt wren]

Our waves are small and limited by game engine.

[eternal talon]

hammers specifically, even has SMC logos on them.

[burnt wren]

Imagine a single wave of thousands sleepers rushing at you at speed they usually do.

[manic moss]

Are those people Koreans?

[burnt wren]

Basically imagine a surge alarm that doesn't end for like 10 minutes straight.

Sleepers are disgustingly dangerous when they really get rallied up.

[frozen crescent]

yes

[eternal talon]

also tasers wouldn't work on sleepers. they are meat puppetting humans capable of driving their flesh suits while their limbs are stripped of flesh down to the bone. you can see some people IRL that can take multiple tasers and keep going.

[lavish lake]

why are there no female prisoners?

[burnt wren]

They probably exists, we just didn't see them.

[eternal talon]

that.. you'd have to ask KOVAC management, though easiest answer is biology. men are stronger slaves.

[burnt wren]

Real talk: if Warden is an AI that likes efficiency there's no reason for him to deploy females.

First top grade combat ready prisoners will be all almost exclusively males.

[austere depot]

There are, just not as playable characters.

[eternal talon]

probably, though i haven't looked through the 40 page long excel spreadsheet myself to check

[lavish lake]

but a female prisoner would keep the morale up no? and the males would keep their peak performance

[burnt wren]

Warden doesn't really do morale.

[eternal talon]

no. they are slaves. moral is useless

they have as much freedom as a toaster does.

it does its job and nothing more

no complaints, no issues, nothing. it'll die trying

[lavish lake]

but i mean bishop gotta let out a load sometimes

[eternal talon]

our quad has more freedom than the average KSO

and even bishop in one of the audio logs was like that once.

[burnt wren]

(he's memeing , BTW)

[austere depot]

I would say it depends. Sounds like it is really scraping the barrel with some of us. Gender is irrelevant if unable to sneak efficiently. Also irrelevant if the aim is poor.

[eternal talon]

still, good topic are topics for anyone reading chat at a future time

[manic moss]

Does anyone want to gtfo with me? I'm not good at English, so I mainly play with ping

[eternal talon]

their primary source was also the US prison system, which is predominantly male.

[eternal talon]

#lfg-north-america

or any of the other lfg channels depending on your region

[burnt wren]

Also that.

[austere depot]

That is fair ;D x'D

[eternal talon]

only ~7% of the entire prison system is female

[manic moss]

Does anyone want to play R2C2 with me?

[burnt wren]

Overwhelming majority of criminals are people with exceptionally high aggression and disagreeablenes which is what causes them to commit crimes in the first place.
And its predominantly males that reach those extremes.
Females, at the very least, are not as physically aggressive which is their saving grace - majority of crimes are based on physical actions. Being a giga Karen (also anomalously high disagreeablenes) is not illegal, as long as its only words and complaints and no actions are being taken.

[eternal talon]

and their mental situation does not matter to kovac, so it is perfect. even scraping the bottom of the barrel, they get what they want.

[burnt wren]

Meanwhile an extremely disagreeable guy can shoot another man in the face over some pity road rage dispute. Seen it happen on video. Urgh.

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-diamond-gif-24666895

[burnt wren]

Ironically none of these seem to apply to our squad though...

Dauda is just a mad scientist.

[austere depot]

Maybe to wood's past life

[eternal talon]

again, goes back to the toaster analogy. we have exactly as much freedom as biocom wants us to have. wouldn't make sense for it to give us the option to pull a woods

[burnt wren]

Bishop is a black mailer. All the disagreeablenes, but no violent tendencies.
Unfortunately for him - his last target way way more disagreeable, and wanted some poetic blood.

[eternal talon]

not really, poetic. they sent him into a warzone to get shot.

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-office-dwight-schrute-sniper-gif-25130487

they only sent him to the program when the chad didn't die

[burnt wren]

Hackett... Hard to pin point. His line of job required both traits, but he was actually pretty calm and collected all things considered. He literally volunteered as a punishment to himself by himself.

[eternal talon]

... after slaughtering an entire village

[burnt wren]

Just pull the trigger.

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/house-on-fire-halloween-burning-burning-house-fire-gif-17816600

[burnt wren]

If anything the issue here was how little he cared.

[eternal talon]

which was why he volunteered. he recognized he wasn't right in the head.

[burnt wren]

Which even recognised to be an issue.

[eternal talon]

he wanted some kind of redemption arc

thought the program could offer that.

[burnt wren]

The only guy here who is close to a classic criminal is Woods. And even then... He's more of a delusional fanatic. That's not even being violent or disagreeable, he just... Just lost it. Saw things and connections that weren't there.

[eternal talon]

tbf he WAS a criminal. he was court martialed

it was either the rope or the pit, and he went with the pit.

[burnt wren]

Well yeah, but not like... Not like the type of guy that robs you under gun point.

[eternal talon]

though if he still had his memory at this point, by god would he be wishing he picked the rope

[burnt wren]

Hence why I used the word "classic criminal". Couldn't come up with a better word for it, can't remember.

Authentic? Cliche?

[eternal talon]

something like that

[burnt wren]

Just an ass hole that robs you because you have something he doesn't and he wants it right now.

[eternal talon]

sociopath?

[burnt wren]

Woods might've shot you with a shotgun, but he had more complicated reasons to do that.

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/die-gun-shotgun-deus-vult-gif-17767114

[burnt wren]

I've listened to his confession like 3 times and I'm still not sure what he was saying.

[eternal talon]

this is even more funny when you consider woods was a fanatic of god

[burnt wren]

I'm still laughing btw

[austere depot]

I have theorized that the prisoners were led to where they needed to be.
Everything surrounding woods are some extremely unlikely events. Bishop endured where survival was improbable. Hacket was beset by some incredibly ill coincidences.

[eternal talon]

the "perfect" worldline, yes yes. i remember you saying that.

where the stars aligned to make our quad

[austere depot]

more rightly to say, 'were aligned' x'D

[burnt wren]

Nah, that's too much of a foil hat.

[austere depot]

assuming the forces behind the lasers are capable of arranging timelines like you or I would arrange furniture

[austere depot]

I actually agree x'D

[eternal talon]

given the nature of worldlines, there aught to be allens out there somewhere, though there civilization is thoroughly fucked

they were multidimensional, as shown from the specimens in the inner.

[burnt wren]

Sometimes things just happen you know. Our history books are best examples of that. We had some insane people just being in the time in the right place and then some insane shit happens.

[eternal talon]

if it effected one worldline of them, it got em' all

least' all they went to

[austere depot]

Yep.

[austere depot]

Also why I speculate so hard about the true threat behind the virus-parasite symbiosis.
I do not assume the 'stars-align' thing is even likely.
But when taking into account the sheer force behind the beams and quantum leaps - and they still consider the sleepers a possible threat?

[burnt wren]

"Nam-v is some kind of Lovecraftian cosmic horror" is what you're trying to say.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised at this point.

The black crystals we occasionally see are... Suspicious to say the least.

And Lovecraftian horrors are a big thing in this day and age.

Phoenix Point was all about that. Frankly the best thing that game had to offer.

[burnt wren]

Exactly. INCLUDING the crystal inside the bottle there.

Inb4 its a physical manifestation of some interdimensional organism. Or its' waste...

[eternal talon]

still the ONLY physical thing in game we've seen of them ignoring the artifacts.

after.. 7 technically 10 rundowns

and maybe whatever the fuck this stuff was

[burnt wren]

I don't recognise the last two. What is that?

Or where.

[eternal talon]

cables to this teleporter. covered in glowy, moving, funky green shit

[burnt wren]

Yeah. Feels out of place, doesn't it?

[eternal talon]

other teleporters dont have it.

(i haven't checked the final immortal teleporter spawn in r7e1)

[burnt wren]

Pretty sure the green one had glowing cables too.

[eternal talon]

nope

had'ta get a gooood zoom on the one pic i did have from that angle

[austere depot]

Looks like we are ahead of schedule in ALT//R3 👀

Original R3D1 log

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/3/32/R3D1_Log_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200614081353

ALT//R3D1 log

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/4/49/ALT_R3A2Log1.png/revision/latest?cb=20230303160002

The date of the Email remains the same

Expected time of completion is pushed up, though that is just an estimation..

Drilling starts late July, a bit before August. I have some more clues

ALT//R3A1 log
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/2/27/ALT_R3A1Log2.png/revision/latest?cb=20230303155939

Original R3A1 log
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/0/0b/R3A1_Log.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200614075826

In ALT, we get a year for when the syringes were developed.
Some details are different for the 'red' healing syringe.

Wish we could have an explanation for why the syringes cause infection, though 🤔

[keen mantle]

It said the side effects are random tho

So he hadn’t figured that out yet

[austere depot]

"Will it give me a splitting headache?"
"Will it make me puke my guts out?"

Scientist: "In a manner of speaking.." 👀

[eternal talon]

Sterilization go brrr

All the staff was infected and turned or killed. Why would the random syringes we find be unused? They are just in random boxes all over the place

Usually that kind of stuff you'd think would need to be fridged

[burnt wren]

All things considered that might not be a problem in gargantha

Underground tends to be very cold.

Its not 0, but probably some comfrotable +5 or something

Which is pretty much a fridge temperature

Our protagonists have many problems... But warm rooms aint one of them.

[eternal talon]

Still, doesn't fix the issue of the bad syringes

Could by why they give infection sometimes

[past matrix]

what is the new lore in r3

[real pewter]

sleeper on surface

[stone vine]

tell me how i never noticed this

makes sense why the parasite is restricted to garganta bc its yk from the artifacts that came with the meteor

i somehow missed this

[eternal talon]

What in God's green earth is this?

[eternal talon]

Thats... that's new.

I have pictures of artifacts

They are just hollow glass, like prettier marbles

Thats...

Can you get pictures from every angle, and try and find the other two types of artifacts?

This might be the first time we've ever seen the parasite if legit

[eternal talon]

Honestly, yeah. Not really much besides that.

[real pewter]

you never saw that?

[stone vine]

dawg i never saw it wither

either cuz i have rlly bad eyesight and also artifacts r not rlly my fav thing to stare at LOL

this one was floating mid air and i was literally so confused

each one has som different inside

the orange one has like a strange blob almost looks like the stuff in the vats

haven’t looked at aggro

but i knew that parasites def had to be a direct source from the meteor aka artifacts bc that’s the only like super significant part of the meteor that we know hasn’t rlly made it to the surface

that explains the whole closer u get down to the egg more sleepers thing

but i’ve never seen anyone here mention the things in that nor have i seen it myself so it was just weird idk ??? it’s such a big piece of lore that i kind of just missed 😭

[real pewter]

i just look at stuff that's newly added

[stone vine]

how recent was this

[final sentinel]

this was like R7

[stone vine]

like alt recent or has it always existed ???

huh

[final sentinel]

I noticed it with thermals

[stone vine]

ok

yes

someone mentioned that

i stopped paying attention to artifacts in r6 🐌

[real pewter]

this was in R5

[stone vine]

rlly ?

[real pewter]

so i knew about this since R5

[stone vine]

am i that blind

[real pewter]

and i thought people already saw this too

so i didn't mention

[stone vine]

apparantly not this would have helped so much

prior to r6/7

logs kind of cleared it up anyways

[final sentinel]

[real pewter]

people nowadays micro-analyze everything in every video game, so i thought everyone know about this already

guess not

[stone vine]

well apparantly not the artifacts ig i mean i did micro analyze them but like never noticed it

tbh

it’s usually always dark and the light obscured them a tad

[real pewter]

it's in all artifact

[stone vine]

yeah dyk what the red one has

[real pewter]

so you can look at mute and aggressive

[stone vine]

orange is strange blob, pink is worm, red idk

well the parasite is definitely a stereotypical parasite

but this also means we’ve been given parasitic boosters ???

and it has barely been explained thus fue

[final sentinel]

I've never seen anything in red

[stone vine]

far

me too it’s too obnoxiously red

[real pewter]

there is something in red

[final sentinel]

we could check with therms?

[real pewter]

i used sniper for micro analyze

[final sentinel]

oh rly?

and u could see it?

[real pewter]

i'll try and find an aggressive

[stone vine]

it’s literally not on the wiki either

[final sentinel]

man ig I do just usually pick them up bc I'm a goblin who just likes aggrewssives

[stone vine]

so this has just been noticed and unspoken pretty much

LMAO

well anyways

[ember bluff]

Pretty sure they all contain something

[final sentinel]

dropping R7A1 rn to check

[ember bluff]

bold is just most visible

[stone vine]

i see the worm

[final sentinel]

bc now I'm curious

[real pewter]

you can see the parasite in this picture for the bold

[stone vine]

worm worm

ok but what is the blob

is that even a parasite

WAIT

AN EHG

EGG

[final sentinel]

yeah in muted it's probably the egg things we saw in schaeffers room

[stone vine]

it’s probably an egg

yk the ones in the sleepers

yea

the sleepie eggs

so what’s in aggresive is the question

[ember bluff]

I haven't checked in ages but

can't you see the star shape

inside the aggressive

via thermal

[stone vine]

a little i noticed yeah

[final sentinel]

never seen that

[stone vine]

just looking at it normally

it kinda did look spiky

[ember bluff]

idk if that really means anything though

[real pewter]

it's lika a needle worm, if i remember correctly

[final sentinel]

checking rn, I think there's agressive in either 45/46/47 of A1

[stone vine]

needle worm

[final sentinel]

huh

never seen it

[stone vine]

so we have regular worm and spiky worm

[real pewter]

eh idk how to describe it

[ember bluff]

makes sense that aggressive would have the most vicious appearance

given the drawbacks to them

[stone vine]

so what does that have to do with rarity and boosters

[final sentinel]

yeah

[ember bluff]

probably not good for you long term

[stone vine]

like that’s so weird

[real pewter]

like, you can see the egg

in mute

[stone vine]

yes

[ember bluff]

egg doesn't show in thermal tho right

only worm does in bold

[final sentinel]

yeah wait why tf did I choose R7A1

[ember bluff]

which would imply worm is alive

since it has a heat signature

[stone vine]

this is kinda crazy tbh

🐛

it’s this

[stone vine]

cause of world chaos

[final sentinel]

bold thru sight

[stone vine]

yeah that’s 100% a worm

[final sentinel]

better image

[stone vine]

oml

[stone vine]

it has a whole parasite like mouth

[real pewter]

you can see the worm

[stone vine]

like the circular ones

[real pewter]

ehh...

[final sentinel]

muted thru therms

[stone vine]

look u can see it has a little mouth like a tapeworm or something

funny enough

like a striker intestine worm

🐌

it all makes sense omg

now find the aggressive

i wanna see the spiky worm

[real pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585062984619917342/1082171413416386640/image.png

[stone vine]

i wanna see it in thermal

tho

[real pewter]

[ember bluff]

can't really see it in that image

at all

x_x

[real pewter]

ye

really hard

[stone vine]

i can see it

[ember bluff]

i haven't checked but aggressive in thermals

does nothing

i think

[stone vine]

doesn’t that kinda remind u of chargers

wasn’t there a log talking abt parasite variants too

like the variants of sleepers

had to do with the parasite som or other

it was a new log

[stone vine]

i think it was abt purple sleepers

maybe not

[final sentinel]

this is why I didn't think too much of it

[ember bluff]

yeah

[final sentinel]

never seemed like aggressive had anything bc thermal didn't pop

[ember bluff]

like I said

[real pewter]

welp, not a worm

[ember bluff]

it's just the "inner-star"

that really becomes visible

[stone vine]

hmmmm

it’s still spiky tho

[real pewter]

i hate it, i thought i saw something

[stone vine]

?

[real pewter]

i see something wormy

thought it was a worm

[stone vine]

there is something in the red one it’s black and spiky i can see it

[ember bluff]

it definitely does remind one of chargers

[stone vine]

it still could be a worm

[final sentinel]

gonna try to find one at eye level

[ember bluff]

but we don't really know how the artifacts link

[final sentinel]

chargers are pretty agressive

[stone vine]

also how do the black artifacts make those

r those man made

[ember bluff]

except that aggressive is the only one with drawbacks and logs stating the negative impact of its use

[stone vine]

or natural

i haven’t done booster lore

[stone vine]

hmmmm

[ember bluff]

I believe when they were added

R5?

[stone vine]

so they were giving ppl parasites

[ember bluff]

they had logs somewhere on a terminal

[stone vine]

on purpose

[ember bluff]

discussing the symptoms of use

[stone vine]

i mean they were doing the whole specimen stuff too

[ember bluff]

but that's just my vague memory, which is unreliable at best

[stone vine]

those r basically intelligent sleepers

hmmm

looks like they were trying to use it for good reasons through like syringes and boosters and units or whatever but it all did not go so good

i also feel bad for that guy that said he was going to garganta to find the source of nam v cuz he definitely found it

[ember bluff]

how does one "use" an artifact anyway

do you ingest it

inject it

[stone vine]

injected

[ember bluff]

like

ah

[stone vine]

via hsu

[ember bluff]

that makes more sense

[stone vine]

wait has anyone ever checked if using an aggresive booster like makes ur infected level change

at the end

cuz it’s usually “random”

[ember bluff]

It doesn't

[stone vine]

dang

devs coulda added something cool

🐌

[ember bluff]

People thought infection correlated to how often you took damage

But it really just seems to be random

afaik

[stone vine]

yeah seems so

[final sentinel]

maybe it relates to one of the unused ones

NRV probe

[stone vine]

that’s nutrients

we talked abt that a few years ago it’s just a good thing

food**

[ember bluff]

it would be nice if we saw the sanity system actually have some impact like it was discussed to ages ago

[final sentinel]

yo ucan kind of see it here

[stone vine]

ok no there’s a star in that

[final sentinel]

the silhouette

[ember bluff]

or we had scrapped concepts such as oxygen and temperature gauges...

[stone vine]

wtf

[ember bluff]

but alas, it will never be

[stone vine]

idek what that could be

[ember bluff]

yeah, it's a star with a sort of "flowery" form

[stone vine]

ok think abt what we’ve seen

enemy wise or like related to them

[final sentinel]

reminds me of a shocker tbh

[stone vine]

maybe it has to do with shooters

[final sentinel]

that too

[stone vine]

we know shooters and strikers are different parasite wise

[final sentinel]

the oval shaped lumps on their head

[stone vine]

bc shooters have to shoot something

yes

that’s what i’m thinking

it’s like the big thing from tlou that throws toxic fungal balls or whatever they are

[final sentinel]

and didn't we just get logs that confirmed shooters were more intelligent and advanced than regular sleepers?

[ember bluff]

just the way the ai works already proves it even without logs anyway

[stone vine]

yeah

[final sentinel]

TRUE

[stone vine]

plus they’re women LMAO

[final sentinel]

shooters do be funky

[ember bluff]

they have less scream delay, will scream instantly after waking or a single shot

and they retreat for cover

[final sentinel]

and they strafe a lot

[stone vine]

yup

[real pewter]

you would be terrified see one irl

[stone vine]

i wanna be one

send me to the crater

[real pewter]

mf shooting me while moon-walking left and right

[stone vine]

cant even look down to get away from them anymore

ok so rn the possibilities are shooter

i’d say not a charger bc we know they stem from whatever that black biomass comes from

if anything i’d say they could even have originated from destination

[real pewter]

ALIEN

[stone vine]

considering r7e1

[final sentinel]

prolly not flyers bc A) they were R6 and B) they were something different

the artifacts were R5

[stone vine]

alien

[real pewter]

mutated rock

[stone vine]

r we talking

gargle gargle log alien

[stone vine]

those r natural to destination

[ember bluff]

I mean, fundamentally artifacts are clearly just there to serve as a mechanic more than part of the world

[stone vine]

destination has native wildlife

[ember bluff]

but it's nice to think they could have lore relevancy

[final sentinel]

they do

[stone vine]

that’s how the parasite origniated from there plus artifacts and nam v

[stone vine]

they have HUUUGE

lore relevancy

[final sentinel]

syringes are both as well, same with Cfoam, bio, and a bunch of other stuff

[real pewter]

at least we know schaeffer cut his "$lave" collar out by himself

[final sentinel]

lore and gameplay relevancy

[ember bluff]

do we know the use of artifacts brought about the outbreak on the site?

or was it the use of the gates

[stone vine]

yes

somewhat they were

[real pewter]

one of the log said they up the duration of the IIX syringe up to 8 seconds, is that also in the original as well, i don't remember

[stone vine]

yes

i’d say that’s the reason for bigs

steroids

[real pewter]

isn't the artifact was in the meteor, and santonian like, mine INTO it?

[ember bluff]

it's interesting that your initial use of a syringe wont really ever infect you

only subsequent use gives percentile

[stone vine]

yes sir

artifacts and the meteor have extremely similar make up

[real pewter]

so ye, i think santonian brought like 2 viruses to the Earth

[stone vine]

actually i’m pretty sure artifacts are the only reason this thing could even get near earth

[final sentinel]

oh god it's 1 am night y'all and good luck

[real pewter]

ok

[ember bluff]

gni

[stone vine]

speaking in game terms the only reason the asteroid could have gotten into the outer asteroid belt from the butterfly nebula would have to be through artifacts teleportational capabilities

[real pewter]

well, it brought to earth but santonian

1. dig it up
2. use it to teleport to another planet

[ember bluff]

I mean, the meteor has been here since the dinosaur era but only caused havoc when we tampered with it.

So clearly it's what we unearthed

[stone vine]

we know artifacts teleported a lot of ppl to destination how do u think chargers were there

it’s all bc of artifacts

🐌

[stone vine]

yes

but it happened on accidnet

at first

[ember bluff]

so the real moral of the story is "don't mine random meteors"

[stone vine]

then they made the matterwave projector to go there by themselves

without random occurrences of teleportation

[real pewter]

it do have irridium or something valuable

[stone vine]

yes

extremely

[ember bluff]

fair

[real pewter]

being rich in an instant isn't a thing to pass off easily

[stone vine]

i calculated it a long time ago and using like irl prices from 2021 it was something like 12 trillion off the meteor

crater alone

like that’s a ridiculous amount of money

[real pewter]

but it has been rigged all a long

[stone vine]

yeah no iridium and they killed mmmmmm

[real pewter]

the alien was 1 step ahead

[stone vine]

the entire earth

almost

[ember bluff]

do we know the earth is a wasteland

or just contained to the facility

[stone vine]

yup

most likely

[ember bluff]

asked this a lot but nobody actually knew for certain

[stone vine]

it’s in a voice log

in b1

[ember bluff]

just assumptions

ah

[real pewter]

right now, just imagine covid but 10 times worse

[stone vine]

some dude went looking for the origin

and was like mmm lemme go to garganta they keep saying these weird infected ppl r dissapearing

where they go idk

it’s the most recent log we have

and it means we are def past 2057

[real pewter]

the striker body must got the same thing like that log in R7?

[ember bluff]

endgame doesn't really bode well for us then if the earth is just an apocalypse now scenario then

lol

[stone vine]

well we don’t have a choice

[ember bluff]

surely some surviving fallout shelters

[stone vine]

warden is on something

[real pewter]

where a team go to explore with the Teleport thingy, and have plant on them to grow for food

[stone vine]

took too much of that infected za

[real pewter]

but it instantly rotten/dry/decompose

[stone vine]

yeah cuz destinations in the butterfly nebula so time is extremely different

[ember bluff]

honestly, I trust the warden more than schaeff

even though I hate both

[stone vine]

schaeffer is crazy

he’s going to either die or kill us

[real pewter]

the warden right now is going to replace the KSO anyway

so both side is a dead end

[stone vine]

im waiting for alt r6 where they fuck up something rlly bad aka him maddox and henrikkson

idek why he wants to go deeper

the only thing deeper is the thing they broke into that basically killed everything

[real pewter]

going deeper = warden can't communicate to you

or something relating to warden can't get to you when you go deeper

[stone vine]

then what

death

[real pewter]

he doesn't has any plan

[stone vine]

i mean they’re def hiding something down there but warden clearly also wanrs it

[real pewter]

like i said, both are dead end

[stone vine]

yeah

that’s why i think we’re going to die or he is

and most likely him

[real pewter]

warden are using you to build a better KSO where they can become invisible to sleeper

Schaeffer want to overthrow the warden and escape

[stone vine]

wait

[real pewter]

which mean get to the surface and die

[stone vine]

that makes

literally no sense on either part 😭

ig we will see the reasoning

[real pewter]

feel like cyberpunk grim ending

schaeffer really, and i mean REALLY want a hacker

[stone vine]

well with the state of the world i’d say this game is going to end horribly anyways

[real pewter]

so he can use that hacker to get some info and get to warden

[stone vine]

no matter what so yeah

[stone vine]

yes

[real pewter]

"take back control"

[stone vine]

he’s going to be able to at some point and it will go rlly bad

like i said watch them use alt as way more than just an alternate universe where things r a bit different

[real pewter]

best course of action is go back to HSU and sleep for another a million year or 2

[stone vine]

som crazy gonna happen

esp once we get to destination

[stone vine]

i wouldn’t be surprised if in game time it’s been years and years

so far

we don’t know how long we sleep lmao

[real pewter]

it has been only weeks

between level

[stone vine]

hmmm eeally

really

[real pewter]

i think the pin comment

[stone vine]

i mean more so between rundowns tbh

think about it

warden is really intelligent but it has to survey a lot of things

[ember bluff]

going deeper seems redundant

[stone vine]

it probs takes a whiiile

[ember bluff]

since the holes for the drop zone

imply something broke "out" upward

and isn't deeper in

[stone vine]

we know something did

it’s in a log

they hit the thing that’s really deep and it releases a shit load of beams

[ember bluff]

I wonder if it's just another kraken

[real pewter]

what we did in R6 was stupid af

[stone vine]

nope definitely not

[real pewter]

we broke the timeline

[stone vine]

id say it’s a queen

of some sorts

kraken would be too boring

something has to culminate at the bottom

either a queen or a huge nest

and with pmom and dad being literal common bosses and with multiple krakens most likely existing

i’d say there’s something much bigger deeper

alien log also points to it

we could have gotten so much info from specimen 23 but schaeffer killed it

[real pewter]

i would love GTFO as an analog video

like the backroom

[stone vine]

it totally would

[real pewter]

and not just log file like this

[stone vine]

yes

it would be cooler

they need to add video logs to spice it up

we need an experiment log or some dead scientists logs more than that one annoying guy

we need like dauda experiments

or voice logs where they just start remembering stuff

there’s no way everyone in the complex is dead

[real pewter]

since the backroom is going to have a movie

i guess the devs can make one if they want to

[keen mantle]

Yup. A beam that completely decimated anything in its path… but stopped short of reaching below ocean surface?

[keen mantle]

Isn’t Maddox dead or something? The snatcher in b2 subtitles from Schaeffer said that something quick got to him and went into the darkness

Oh wait… that was before we teleported in E1

[real pewter]

we're in a different timeline right now in Alt, i think

most of the event that's happening in Alt: R3 is different from OG

[keen mantle]

When was the event occurred in OG?

I’d liked to have some time comparisons so that I can get out of that “time-lock” of mine

[real pewter]

in OG, we have State of Truth being normal

in Alt:R3, they've gone to shit

he's literally on the run with his wife

in OG R4, State of Truth is still running normally

[keen mantle]

Ok. And when was that info known in OG for world to go to shit

[real pewter]

in OG, the world are finding out "slowly" that Santonian or Dryfus is doing something in Garganta

in Alt:R3, everything is already doomed

in OG, you don't see sleeper on the surface

[keen mantle]

Ok. OG 3-? State is normal
Alt 3 Shits there

[real pewter]

in Alt:R3, sleeper are on the surface and attacking

[keen mantle]

But the virus still fucked the world’s population

Or am I misreading it?

[real pewter]

and the military is going to Garganta

[real pewter]

it still

but not the part where Sleeper going out of Garganta, to the surface and attack people

[keen mantle]

Ok

[real pewter]

and the military is going to Garganta to check things out

[keen mantle]

So (I’m just trying to figure out how much “OG” timeline in advance are we in). So like something happened in R5 happened in Alt-R2. That’s what I’m trying to figure out

How far ahead are we, minus the few changes like surface sleepers and such

[real pewter]

the event in OG is shifted a month or more back

so like an event start in July, now it happen in June or May

[keen mantle]

Oh. Like a solid month huh.

[real pewter]

and then people seeing another event from another timeline

[keen mantle]

How much Rundowns is that?

[real pewter]

the audio log was before Alt:R1 i think? from State of Truth

on Santonian website

[keen mantle]

So possibly 2 Rundowns in advance?

Since you said OG R3 State is running.

And you said Alt-R1, state is running

[real pewter]

State of Truth are still running very well in the main timeline

in Alt timeline, they are on the run from the virus and government (a log from Alt:R3)

[keen mantle]

Oh. I thought you meant the start of the State

Wait. Run from virus and Gov?

Explain the gov part?

What’s running from the gov? The “staff” in Garganta?

[real pewter]

idk if it is gov

but the virus part is correct

i think everything starting going to shit in R5

but right now in Alt:R3, it's already going to shit

[keen mantle]

Hoooo shit ok

So possible 2.5 Rundowns in advance or more

Idk about R4 or Alt-R2

[real pewter]

right now, in Alt:R3

• Sleeper are on the surface

• The military is going to Garganta

• State of Truth are on the run

[keen mantle]

But wait…

Oooooh

Remember that beam incident in OG that somehow worked the Kovac in their favor vs sleepers?

What if that beam incident didn’t happen and the Kovac was eventually overrun? This causing a widespread breach outside Garganta?

Or I somehow missed that Alt-variant of it….

[real pewter]

welp, you could check the pin comment that updated till Alt:R2

[keen mantle]

Hmm…. I don’t see any Alt-logs or info in them?

[real pewter]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_2.0_Logs

the warden part seem to be interesting

An AI that got injected into the Biocom but are fighting against each other to take control of the system

i wonder what we did in R7D2 did something to them

[burnt wren]

Who the hell is McCallister...

[harsh saffron]

McCallister Aggregates are concrete suppliers that were removed from the early building stages of Garganta because they kept asking too many questions etc.

[burnt wren]

The normie builders asking why their new buildings looks like a lab of mad scientist. Obviously.

"Do not share the culture..." this corporate speak disgusts me.

What culture? Culture of crimes against humanity?

[solar nova]

I need to cross reference wiki for this.

[burnt wren]

I'm getting heavy Mafia vibes from these people. They speak all corporate but every word is dripping with poison.

[eternal talon]

No. We get rewarded with boosters for collecting the artifacts. The artifacts aren't the boosters themselves

[harsh saffron]

Is that from R7?

[eternal talon]

The infection started like a decade before they even made it to the inner.

[eternal talon]

No they found the MWP. It is an artifact in the Hammerstein collection with its own ID and everything. Insight just built a shell around it to make it compatible with their teleporters they reverse engineered

[eternal talon]

Earth is indeed donezo.

[solar nova]

Yes.

[burnt wren]

Oh jeez, Teale lost it. Poor girl.

[eternal talon]

Would make no difference. There are sleepers on the surface. The fliers and the kraken have been alive on destination for 8 billion years. Earth is gone. Forever. No saving it. End of story. Goodbye.

[burnt wren]

God, last days of Garganta was hell.

[solar nova]

Ok, it is documented.

[eternal talon]

I've seen this before... #DeadSpace