gtfo-lore

[solemn kraken]

Fair. do you still enjoy the rundowns tho?

lore aside

[deep cypress]

why are we prisinors and why are we all wearing gas masks?

[drifting island]

gas masks are to reduce infection exposure while we are on expeditions
and each character is a prisoner for a different reason. probably worth checking out the Lore for dummies Pin in this channel

[solemn kraken]

Reduce not negate. important distinction made ny wheat that will save us from a future question

[eternal talon]

👍

[zinc crest]

Ok, so. I read the lore for dummies. However, I’m a little confused. What was causing the Earthquakes?

[eternal talon]

we don't know. could be natural, could be to do with something in the fossil.

[zinc crest]

Ok. I would love to get into the lore, but I barely understood all the jargon in the dummy book

I think my only theory would be that the meteor generated a new fault line. However that doesn’t seem possible because we would/should have seen it

[eternal talon]

jargon? anything you need clarification on? or any additional questions? I wrote it.

[zinc crest]

I was able to interpret using context clues. Thanks for the offer though.

[bronze wing]

what does this mean

[eternal talon]

stuff regarding the multiple world-lines.

well if you want me to i can.

can't tell if sarcasm.

[solar nova]

I still can't believe that chad theory turned out to be true.

[drifting island]

dream within a dream!

[austere depot]

As it is Christmas, I will share my GTFO Christmas theory (tin-foil). How Rundown 2 is an inversion of the Biblical Christmas evangelium.

This story is more based on symbolism and story-interpretation than actual 'lore'. Do not take it as part of the 'lore' per say and do not take it too seriously. I share this only so you can play the rundown with an extra bit of Christmas cheer ~ 🎄

The story begins with what would be our ‘god’ the Warden. The Warden would be our god as it controls our fates. We cannot disobey as we are mentally conditioned to obedience and if we abandon the mission, our ‘god’ would leave us to rot. The Warden is our god in the figurative controlling sense, not the literal one.

This god commands us (the prisoners) to seek out a child deep below the earth. This is the first inversion. The babe (neonate) is not sent from heaven above, but from the deep depths of the earth. It is a part of the dreaded RISE project, a child of Dreyfus industries who have been referred to as the ‘devil’ on more than one occasion. We are to go underground and seek this genetically modified child of Dreyfus and bring it to the Warden.

The Prisoners have a form of guidance throughout the complex. Biocom serves as the divine spirit as it tells the prisoners where to go and what tasks to perform to find their way to the Neonate. Biocom, as a branch of ‘our god’, the Warden, is our guiding angel through this arduous task.

The missions prior are all about navigating the way to the Neonate. Remove obstacles and hindrances to reach the ‘crib’. There are no stars for our prisoners to follow, but they use the internal net to triangulate its location. Finally, they make it there and have the Neonate in hand.

It is upon their time to leave that the greatest fight of the Rundown begins. Liken to the Christian narrative, the Neonate has pursuers. The prisoners have to fight and flee while carrying the Neonate through the hardest challenges of the Rundown yet.

We make it through and save little Baby Neonate Jesus 🎄 Happy holidays everyone!! 🎅

[burnt wren]

Mostly. The objectives are a little bit too simplistic IMHO (lack of secondaries?) but othen than that I'm happy to have more opportunities to shoot some mutants.

[real pewter]

well, we'll get R3, it'll be the same as r2

[rocky wraith]

We are secretly Santa’s elves getting dropped down the worlds biggest chimney to give the sleepers the joy of Christmas :)

[zinc crest]

Yes

[solemn kraken]

Sadly that won't be fixed before R4 😔

[fleet pulsar]

Can somebody give me a quick fill on what Santonian Industries were up to before any of the events that led to the complex being as it is now. Thanks.

[eternal talon]

well, before as it is now is the ENTIRE pre-apocalypse, so it will be a lot.

SMC is a subsidiary of dreyfus industries. SMC is a mining company specializing in iridium, an incredibly valuable material found in asteroids that is used to make chipsets. In the yucatan, a massive earthquake shakes the land on the merida fault line and SMC volunteers to help with the cleanup. They get down there, and they find thousands dead. Including the red cross workers, to most likely nam-v. They also notice the meteor and conduct scans. They estimate trillions of dollars worth of iridium rest beneath the surface here. So.. they make a coverup. they burn all the bodies of the infected/dead and start making plans for garganta. Meanwhile, kovac catches wind of the burnings and makes a deal with their parent company, dreyfus, to be allowed to set up shop in garganta in exchange for their silence and additional security that they can provide. SMC gets to digging, and eventually they start to uncover allen artifacts from millions of years ago. Due to quarantine procedures that were not followed, the virus gets out and begins to infect people in garganta. SMC/Dreyfus call in another dreyfus subsidiary, Project Insight to come in to do research on the artifacts and study them. Meanwhile SMC does what they do best. Keep digging and getting more monies. Eventually, the detonation happens in 2053 and their CEO is killed. Dreyfus step in and elevate Insight leadership to take control over SMC. Meanwhile, SMC is still digging. And thats all we know. Up until the very end where the virus/parasite killed everyone in the complex, SMC just kept on a' diggin'.

additionally you could just read the "for dummies" doc in the pins for all the deets.

[heavy lynx]

can i have a quick sumary of the story of gtfo?

[eternal talon]

yep. the pins of this channel, the "lore for dummies" doc.

[drifting island]

hey, can i get a quick summary of how Frostty is doing today?

[eternal talon]

Playing cyberpunk 2077. So far encountered 2 bugs, 1 gamebreaking.

[drifting island]

hours put in today?

[eternal talon]

4

[drifting island]

OOph

well that could be better 😅
are you still having fun? did the save function preserve the game just okay?

[eternal talon]

No idea. Was an issue with a button prompt not appearing.

Internet consensus is to fuck off to the other corner of the map to Deload the area then come back

[drifting island]

bhahah that should work

shame i hear it was on the other side at this point

[eternal talon]

The introductory cutscene had a broken camera and all NPCs t-posing in the distance.

It's still a buggy mess.

But it's half/off rn on steam.

[drifting island]

ohhh thats a good price for it! neat, well i hope it goes smoother and you have a good time!

[toxic flower]

i should've just gotten cyberpunk on ps5 instead of steam

i make bad decisions

😃

[burnt wren]

yeah, like buying a PS5

[toxic flower]

ps5 ain't bad

[visual lodge]

it aint bad, but it has no games

[drifting island]

do we have confirmation that the Warden is making the neonate for the purpose of it being an invisible agent to do the higher risk objectives? or is that our leading theory?

[eternal talon]

Yes we have confirmation. Two schaeffer audio logs of him watching it do its thing. R6c2

An' it's not neonate, it's neonates, we have confirmed at least 23 of them. 3 of which we have seen.

[drifting island]

perfect! thank you thank you!

[austere depot]

Invisibility also detailed in log along with possible virus immunity: CRW-EUH-3YU

Excerpt from log:
"Psychologically, they are clean slates. There is no deconstruction or social programming to break. From conception, RISE resources are ours to mold into per[corrupted]"

Excerpt from log describing how they are able to turn invisible:
" ..means we can create resources that are immune to disease and viruses (one of the leading causes of procured asset loss), or that can operate in extreme environmental conditions. We can alter their pheromonic signature to deter scent tracking, or mimic biometric data to bypass security systems."

I believe it to be the leading theory thus far (invisibility, possible virus immunity)
What comes next in the log however, is the most interesting.

Excerpt from log: CRW-EUH-3YU

"We can shape their physiology to create a perfect sniper, or the perfect hand to hand combat specialist. We can sculpt them cosmetically to create aesthetics that trigger trust and confidence, or produce panic and fear."

"In RISE, we have been given the clay to fashion the perfect merc[corrupted]"

Invisibility, possible immunity is what we thus far assume the Warden to be after. What RISE could have the potential to be, is so much more.

[eternal talon]

here are the logs. we know it as fact. plain and simple

[austere depot]

And there you have them folks.

The clips where it engages in conversation with Schaeffer is also fascinating.

[eternal talon]

it also talks with him a bit in r6dx before it died. i can post if you would like.

[austere depot]

Do you have the one where it speaks of its Birthday?

[eternal talon]

here are all the other logs relating to it. to a total of 6 logs with the units.

[zinc crest]

Lore my beloved

[eternal talon]

i am the local expert.

[austere depot]

By far, I find this the most interesting (latter one). If RISE is a project capable of shaping subjects like 'clay' as log CRW-EUH-3YU states. Why does it act like this after imprint?
I say this aware of all the roadblocks mentioned by KOVAC in RISE's development and aware that subject 22 was a likely failure.

[eternal talon]

bear in mind, to our knowlege, it was never finished and free of kinks before the wrdn took over.

duds are to be expected

though, wrdn seemed to still care greatly about u22.

immediately after we hear schaeffer kill it, wrdn sends us to confirm its status.

even when schaeffer is bashing its brains in, it is crying "waaaaaaaaa"

[austere depot]

True. But a dud in what way? What it attempts is communicate. It fails on both accounts. It fails to communicate with Schaeffer and it fails to communicate with the sleepers.
If it is supposed to be a warrior (replacement for legion) then subject 22 was a colossal failure. It is utterly pacifistic or does no harm to Schaeffer or sleepers as far as the logs tell.
If it is supposed to facilitate communication, it is less so a failure. It got itself killed in the end, but it managed to engage in at least one conversation with Schaeffer before it scared him off.

[burnt wren]

U22 was supposed to be an infiltrator

Think about it

what's our job here?

Find cells, scan shit, deliver samples, yadi yada

[eternal talon]

it is also true that we have not encountered u1-21. we do not know if they were even as successful as u22 was to get around and even be alive at all

[eternal talon]

sauce? would like to know.,

[burnt wren]

We fight sleepers only because we have to and warden giving us ammo is courtesy to let us gets shit done

[eternal talon]

or do you mean by the fact that it is unable to be detected by the lesser sleepers

[burnt wren]

Yes, that

[eternal talon]

scouts and stuff can still detect them

[burnt wren]

It can do everything we can do without having to fight for every meter of space

It can find cells, do scans, deliver objectives

And sleepers can't do shit to it

They just ignore each other

The only 2 objectives that involved actively killing something i remember were R6C3 and R6D1

[eternal talon]

which makes me wonder, if it tears down doors simply because it can hear alarms and such, like with the blood doors, how come they just dont kill it anyway? do they sense the virus on it? like a certain smell? if so, why dont we just cover ourselves in sleeper giblets and be good?

[burnt wren]

Even in latter case it was self-defense, i don't think we were directly ordered to take down the big lad

[eternal talon]

we had to survive until we teleported back with the data we had just before gathered from the terminal.

i assume defending that outpost and preventing it from being destroyed was also a big plus

[eternal talon]

r6c3 was moreso a distraction. units could just go trip alarms and "afk" so to speak until the other team are done.

though we dont know about how it is with tanks... they might be able to see them.

[burnt wren]

or even better

just send them to do the thing

and no need for a distraction

R6C3 is straight up not a mission if Warden had units to spare

The utility of having a unit that doesn't have to engage sleepers at all is gigantic

[austere depot]

I agree on all accounts. A RISE unit functional as a as a human KOVAC agent would be able to fulfill all those assets. Invisible to the sleepers. Possible infection immunity (not yet fully confirmed).
Yet, I can't help but think that they may fulfill an additional function. What it is, I do not know yet. But I keep in the back of my head that we like KOVAC, may be thinking in very 'human' terms.

[burnt wren]

not to mention time saved on stealth, searching for loot, using said loot...

[eternal talon]

if the entire staff of the wrdn is units, the sleepers could even be used as a defensive measure.

let the sleepers play security

[austere depot]

Like for instance, if the Neonates are able to hide through pheromones. Are they also able to communicate? Issue orders?

[burnt wren]

Eventually i'm sure Warden would try that

[eternal talon]

through our implants? we dont know. it only interacted with schaeffer, and he had his removed.\

we haven't met a live one yet

or heard of a KSO squad that had.

[burnt wren]

i think he means giving orders to sleepers

[austere depot]

The sleepers, yes

[eternal talon]

that.. i have no idea.

[burnt wren]

i mean its logical, right?

[eternal talon]

through pheremones, basically anything is possible

[burnt wren]

if you can make pheromones to just make them ignore you, why not make pheromones that tell them to do X

[eternal talon]

think about ant colonies accepting a new queen, or bees

[burnt wren]

like we often use pheromones to scare away insects and other animals. Just give them the "don't be here" signal.

[eternal talon]

assumes they'd have that signal, being basically immortal and all. nothing in their trillion year perhaps more history they'd ever had to have hidden from. they are a force of nature.

[austere depot]

It would be a different kind of enemy, assuming the neonate can assume this function. The craziest length I am drawing this theory to though, is that the Neonates are being groomed not to be a conduit to the sleepers. But a conduit to the force behind the 'beams'.

[eternal talon]

to get to the inner?

any allens down there should be long dead

[austere depot]

Yes. And not just get there, communicate with what is left. And indeed, they may be dead, but their machines may not.

[eternal talon]

wrdn would have to already know what it wants from down there. literally walking into the hornets nest... not really a place to go snooping around willy nilly, especially since scouts can still trigger

[eternal talon]

their machines certainly wouldn't. if it held dormant for 65 million years and still had enough charge to blast, i'd figure most things down there are still relatively functional, minimum.

maybe the ship's reactors are even still running.

off some super hyper-efficient fuel source that was stowed away before the trip.

[zinc crest]

That would explain the Earthquakes

Fluctuations in power from the reactors

[eternal talon]

earthquakes could be natural. i maybe remember something faintly about the merida faultline not being natural, but i could be wrong. give me a moment

[zinc crest]

k

[eternal talon]

**Houston - Reuters - 09:27- 3/15/2049 - BREAKING: Massive 9.8 earthquake hits the Gulf of Mexico at 09:18 am, causing widespread destruction and chaos. The epicenter is located northeast of Merida in the Yucatan peninsula, despite no previous seismic activity in the area. Quake felt as far away as Dallas, 900 miles north. Coastal cities around the Gulf bracing themselves for a potential tsunami. Evacuation orders issued for Corpus Christi, Galveston, New Orleans, Tampa, and all other coastal regions. Contact FEMA or local authorities for evacuation center details. Tsunami expected to make landfall within 30 minutes of this report. No official estimates on casualt/!#$

ENC://
EBDT FRAGMENT END**

**GAGO report //case file: K-Pg_Exploration Task Force

May 2049 // USACE - World Environmental Consortium joint report

Document Title: Global ramifications of privatizing the Merida Sinkhole.

Premise: The Merida earthquake of March 2049 created a sinkhole (DMS
21°08'08"N 89°31'01"W) 1.3 miles across at its widest point, with a depth
measurement of 79 meters at the nadir. INEGI, Mexico’s National Institute of
Statistics and Geography, has recently recommended opening up this sinkhole
to private mining contractors. The joint task force was given restricted
access to the site from 04/2049 to 05/2049. This study discusses the
consequences of private contracting at the Merida sinkhole, and the potential
impact on US interests in the--

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[zinc crest]

There’s no previous record of earthquakes. So it wouldn’t make sense for one of that magnitude to be the first natural one.

[eternal talon]

the earthquake itself seems to be artificial.. not seeing much about the faultine. could have seen it somewhere

'bout it being new.

[zinc crest]

Hmm

[austere depot]

moment

[eternal talon]

found it

**>>EBDT FRAGMENT 01BE1 START

ENC: Mambo Media Services news wire
//Translation complete//
A Fractured History
Las Noticias Central, Science Desk
June 3rd 2050

As the cleanup continues after the devastating Merida quake, a team of scientists from the Instituto Geológico are trying to figure out when the Merida faultline appeared, and if the seismic shift was a sign of things to come, or a forgotten history.

Their research has not been limited to the Yucatan. In their quest for answers they have sought archeological societies as far north as the Texas Independence and as far south as Honduras. The answers they were seeking turned up at the Lamanai Archaeological Project in Belize. The team uncovered ancient Mayan records of several earthquakes in the region, with the most recent one being in the mid 13th century.

Researchers at the Lamanai Project studied scores of tablet inscriptions from their extensive library and discovered reference to a series of catastrophic population declines that occurred in the Yucatan between 800 and 1300 CE. Until the Merida quake, these population fluctuations were assumed to be related to the frequent outbreaks of disease in the region.

Now, with the context of the newly discovered fault line it seems like the ancient Mayan scribes were giving us more information than we knew. While disease is still almost certainly the reason for the massive drop in Mayan population during the 9th century, the cause of the disease is now much clearer. Earthquakes.

Earthquakes are not a major cause of casualties in the ancient world. Structures were too small and the population were too widely dispersed to inflict mass casualties even from the most powerful of quakes. It is the famine and disease, and the hardship which follows that claims the most number of lives. There have been man¬=AÍ:

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the fault line is not new.

still no sign if it was around before the allens landed though.

[austere depot]

State of Truth: CJ9-GVT-ERB (log)

[eternal talon]

its not 1/1 IRL afterall

[austere depot]

Excerpt: CJ9-GVT-ERB
"I’ll tell you what I know. I know that the nearest fault line is hundreds of miles away, where the Caribbean plate meets the North American plate. You know what else I know? That there is no way a 9.8 earthquake is going to register at the epicenter location they’re giving us. It’s not on the fault line, and it certainly isn’t close enough to one to register a 9.8. So, you have to ask yourself, what’s going on here? How is the biggest earthquake in recorded history occuring in a location with minimal seismic activity?"

[eternal talon]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_7.0_Logs#CJ9-GVT-ERB

so yes, 'suppose it seems to be from the meteor.

[austere depot]

Oh yeah! Poor Igor. I suspected him to be infected because of this..

[eternal talon]

the sinkhole is how they found the meteor before they even set up garganta,

not that they knew it yet

seemed to them just a "we're rich!" amount of iridium.

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-rich-rich-deep-rock-galactic-compressed-gold-gif-24791651

[austere depot]

I was actually following a side-thread based on this:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/b/b5/R7B1Log1.png/revision/latest?cb=20220620113840

Igor, supposedly close with Clinton (an old friend)

[eternal talon]

one of the known symptoms, yes.

light sensitivity.

[austere depot]

Clinton asked him at one point "See me in my office" (contact for the infection to spread)
So I wondered if Clinton was targeted by the beam weapon for being 'infected' (that was the thread)
Utterly irrelevant now as he appears to be well and alive in an ALT

Still interesting however, if Igor was a friend of Clinton then that could have given him motive to fight back against KOVAC - but seeing how Clinton is a douche about Schaeffer and his friendships..

[austere depot]

And is this a crossover episode? >: D

[soft tartan]

Chimp theory?

[twilit phoenix]

The added lore in the ALT run downs: is it completely divergent, or just additive to the OG run downs?

When I play the ALT run downs am I lore-wise sort of back in time, or are we in real-time revisiting old areas of the facility?

[burnt wren]

Former.
It is an experience of the same rundown that happened in alternative dimension.
There is a new log somewhere in R1 that pretty much describes the situation to a T.

The short story: a staff member found a random, alternatively modified Bishop's mask lodged between the machinery of the teleportation device.
The problem was: Bishop had his mask on him and he does not - and never did - have a spare.
That mask literally should not be there. And yet it was there. The staff member brought this issue to everyone he could think of, but people just gave him weird looks.
So he put it into artifact vault, wrote his observations to Dr Stokes and left it at that.

[twilit phoenix]

Oh nice

So it’s cannon in a timely-whimey Eldritch way

[eternal talon]

its not time travel. it's a separate parallel universe that we are somehow experiencing/transported to/merged with

[toxic flower]

so bishop is gone 😭

[eternal talon]

no.

there are an infinite number of bishops

[toxic flower]

one bishop is gone

[eternal talon]

as there are of any other character

[eternal talon]

an infinite number of bishops are gone. dead, infected, or worse.

[toxic flower]

imagine you walk in a room and its full of hacketts 😳

[burnt wren]

Mod idea: replace all sleeper models with Hackett.

[toxic flower]

yes

[zinc crest]

No, Dauda because he gets in the way everytime I’m trying to kill a sleeper

[wicked pewter]

@dense grail thanks for the vacuumizer which you send me in the dm laddie

[eternal talon]

What on earth is a vaccumizer

[zinc crest]

agreed. What is a vaccumizer

[dense grail]

Haha I'm at a loss here as well boys

[drifting island]

look, we can interoogate it, or we can be glad the vacuumizer happened at all

[austere depot]

No, Bishop. And replace all sleeper screams with his requests for Tool-refill
Do that, and I will be too terrified to play the game

The voice actor does a terrific job. An angry brit screaming at the top of his lungs. Insisting to get some TOOL REFILL

[toxic flower]

the most calm british man

[drifting island]

the most articulate bonger

[zinc crest]

Agreed

[upper osprey]

Hey guys, I need answers . How do the prisoners use the disinfection station ? My leading answer is that they sit on it like a toilet and a tube is locked on their back and that is why they get juiced on their face. Any other ideas ?

[burnt wren]

Never took my time to look at it properly. And yeah, I have no idea how it works.
It clearly sprays something but from where? There's not a single exit point that I can see.

Except for blue light spots. Maybe that's what sprays all over you? But that doesn't make any sense. Some future tech? New form of liqued spray system, with cool neons as a bonus?

[tame goblet]

bruh middle part is UV Light and the top blue is where the disinfectant comes from. It's pretty simple

[drifting island]

but where are the toilets?

[austere depot]

they are told to go before the mission

[zinc crest]

They wake up in their HSU’s

Do they go when they are being picked up by warden?

[eternal talon]

i'd assume its done automatically in hydrostasis.

not to mention, the sight of not a single bathroom EVER in gtfo history.

no offices, no cafeterias, and only a SINGLE cleaning cupboard. (r6cx)

[burnt wren]

we just have to chulk this one down to devs not caring enough about logistics of human biology

Its not that there aren't any toilets - its just devs literally forgot to put them in

[eternal talon]

its funny even, we have a schaeffer audio log taking place in one such cafeteria that we never find.

[burnt wren]

There's a chance that all of it are in some dorm-like levels

But knowing the size of some of the levels - there's no fucking way

You're telling me the entirety of R7C3 got 0 toilers in it?

[eternal talon]

staircases to nowhere are also a sign of either inept architects or lazy constructionworkers

[burnt wren]

At this point wouldnt it be funny if R8 introduces a new biome that got all of the logistical stuff in there

[eternal talon]

let alone the entire floodyways tileset, not a single sewer drain pipe. just lots of still water and metal grates.

[burnt wren]

But then i don't know what's worse

Devs continuing to ignore the human deeds for the sake of better level design, or just releasing some in Rundown 8 and doubling down "Oh yeah, the gargantha canonically got 1 toiler per square mile"

[eternal talon]

i'd hope we'd get the inner and allen tech, though having to fight active security turrets and tripmines in offices/residential would be badass.

really a HUGE missed opportunity in KDS-Deep to not have tons of empty sentries all over the place

[burnt wren]

yeah

i hate to watch games waste their potential

[eternal talon]

they even have an ai sentry in the code that targets sleepers AND players.

its just been unused forever

despite being 100% functional

[eternal talon]

speaking of sentries, where are all the guns? dead KSO teams the wrdn sent about in the past? sleepers aren't known to drag off the dead.

we only ever encounter corpses from a decade ago

nothing recent

no gunfire ambience in the distance

stuff like that'd be sick.

[burnt wren]

it would be

but that requires effort

l4d got all of that all over the place

all the time

[eternal talon]

gunfire ambience? i'd think not, just muffling the sounds that already exist. hell, modders could probably do it easily

there are more complicated plugins out there

regardless

there are a lot of inconsistencies with how garganta was built. while the technical answer IS the RNG level layouts through unity, it still leaves questions in terms of story.

[lilac island]

I am a new player, only done a few missions so far but the thing that i keep wondering about more then anything else. the part of the compound that we come down into, the way the damage is done it looks as if something came from underneath rather than something drilling downwards, why is this ?

[burnt wren]

A huge explosion of unknown source of origin happened at the very bottom of the facility. It produced what is described as "beams" that burned their way through the entire facility from bottom and all the way to the surface.
We use those very same holes as our entry points when dropping down.

[eternal talon]

^

if you'd like to read more into the story of GTFO, i highly reccomend giving the "for dummies" doc in the pins of this channel a read.

o7

[lilac island]

will I find this information if I am playing the game

or vague remarks of it ?

[eternal talon]

this specific info... no.. i don't believe so.

at least not yet

the rundowns that the majority of the info we have are now gone

(but will return eventually, give it a year or so)

as such, the only source of the now removed logs are archives like mine, the wiki, and notion.so

and the santonian.industries website

almost forgot that one

[lilac island]

thank you.

[finite vine]

Yea it really is unfortunate. Devs had so much content being worked on in the alpha version, and none of it was released or even mentioned (not gonna give any details because I don't think talking about cut content is allowed). It is a bummer though. In the back of my mind I used to hope that they would add all of that cut content eventually, but with r8 seemingly being the last rundown, its not gonna happen.

I generally only play GTFO for the lore now, as the gameplay is pretty monotonous

[zinc crest]

Yeah. I got it before rundown 5. Played for rundown 6. And rundown 7 is very monotonous

[eternal talon]

100%. at this point i dont really even play gtfo anymore (aside from modded stuff)

[austere depot]

Maybe we should ask 10 chambers to add some bathrooms to the facility? We could have firefights in them!

Since spawn is random, imagine finding a scout in one

you just wanna do your business, and all that spaghetti gets in the way

Find bathroom stall. Hear scout tripping around in it

[burnt wren]

it definetely would make for an interesting visual if nothing else

[austere depot]

I will say, I think you are a little unfair. Would I love to see more stuff in the game? Sure, but I also friggin love gtfo for what it is. I do agree to things like the presence of a bathroom in the facility or a cafeteria and living quarters would give it an idea of realism. I also agree that seeing empty turrets and broken defenses would greatly add to immersion and visual storytelling - but I also think what we have both is and has been pretty friggin great.
Does it lack some flair? Sure. But as long as the soul of the game is to be licked to death, choke at infection fog, getting spat at and getting my teeth kicked in.. then its soul is in the right place 👍

[burnt wren]

l4d got plenty of that toilet action

there's something deeply visceral about bathrooms as a horror environment

[austere depot]

the time and place you are at your most vulnerable.. Then.. SCOUT

[spiral otter]

How does the crane go down so far

It’s like hundreds of meters

[eternal talon]

i'd assume it has a LOT of cable.

but we dont know specifically. there isn't freight lift lore.

[spiral otter]

Ok

I kinda guessed it was like a cable that turns rigid as it’s deployed and that’s how the lift doesn’t wobble

[eternal talon]

https://youtu.be/1G4utTCNUcw

[eternal talon]

where do these frickin' rumors come from about the damn "exploding masks". it's genuinely annoying

[spiral otter]

What rumours?

To lazy to watch the video

[eternal talon]

some people on youtube and reddit especially keep parroting compleyely false things about the lore

[spiral otter]

Like that the masks explode?

Where did that come from?

[eternal talon]

most prevalent of which is the idea that our masks have bombs in them that will explode if the wrdn doesn't like us anymore.

[spiral otter]

Thats fucking stupid

[eternal talon]

i have no idea. it is COMPLETELY false, and has ZERO basis in the lore at all

and it is fucking everywhere

[real pewter]

from bricky

[spiral otter]

It would just not send the list down

[eternal talon]

it'd take 3 seconds to come in here and get info but nobody does it

so it keeps spreading

[spiral otter]

And lock us in and trigger a alarm

[eternal talon]

the list? wdym

[spiral otter]

Lift

I misspelt it

Am on mobile

[eternal talon]

i feel like that's happened already in the lore even, but yeah. 100%.

[spiral otter]

Also

I saw on the wiki

That dude who found the mimic critter

[eternal talon]

almost all of the logs are on the wiki now also.

[spiral otter]

Gave the warden a virus

[eternal talon]

though some of the "lore" pages are out of date.

[spiral otter]

Like a Trojan

It said

[eternal talon]

schaeffer

[eternal talon]

not wrdn, biocom

[spiral otter]

So what happened with that

[eternal talon]

its complicated

[spiral otter]

Didn’t the warden hjack biocom?

[eternal talon]

to begin to talk about that, you have to know the relationship between wrdn and biocom

[spiral otter]

Ok

[eternal talon]

wrdn and biocom have been fighting for control for over a decade, with biocom trying to delete warden over and over and over and over, with wrdn stopping the program just before it does.

the wrdn essentially, has been using biocom and controlling it. like a puppeteer.

schaeffer and henrikkson do not like the wrdn

[spiral otter]

But it doesn’t have total control yet right?

[eternal talon]

so to interfere with it, they had us install a trojan into the biocom mainframe in r7d2.

so now, schaeffer also has a key into biocom

[spiral otter]

Like it stills needs us to do scans

To open doors

[eternal talon]

as it stands right now, it is two puppetters controlling the same set of scans

if wrdn tells us to go left, and schaeffer doesn't like it, he tells us to go right.

and because of our neural implants, we cannot disobey biocom

both schaef and the wrdn are controlling biocom

and biocom itself is crying in the corner metaphorically not being able to do anything

[eternal talon]

these are local scans. we would have to do them regardless if it was still just biocom and wrdn didn't exist.

[spiral otter]

I thought only kds had bio coding

Not the prisoners

[eternal talon]

kds-deep was completely locked down by schaeffer a looooong time ago

its complicated

basically everything in gtfo is extremely complicated

which is why these review videos are so stupid because they try to cover it in 15 seconds and even then say complete nonsense

[spiral otter]

Ok

What do we know about the mimic dude found

[eternal talon]

after garganta started going downhill and basically everyone on staff was dying,

[spiral otter]

Other than mimic man finder killed it?

[eternal talon]

biocom/wrdn recalled all KSOs to KDS-DEEP.

[eternal talon]

we know a lot.

[spiral otter]

Also is garganta still functional

On the upper levels

[eternal talon]

it is an adult unit, from wrdn's repurpose of project rise.

[eternal talon]

... please read the "for dummies" doc in the pins

the surface has been almost completely dead for 10 years

[spiral otter]

Oh

[eternal talon]

there is no human civilization.

it all crumbled a long time ago

[spiral otter]

What is the warden doing then

[eternal talon]

now its at best just nomads

[eternal talon]

its an AI. we don't know what its doing

it could be human, it could be allen, we have no idea.

its seemed to take a key interest in rise, but we don't know if the units were its end goal, or only a step.

[spiral otter]

Idk what rise is

[eternal talon]

you know the baby?

kovac created these a long time ago with existing genetic material. they were then rapidly grown into soldiers.

NOT CLONES.

[spiral otter]

Is that what’s in all the Huss

[eternal talon]

the project had many issues however,

[spiral otter]

His

His

Fuck

H s u

[eternal talon]

no. that is legion

[spiral otter]

Fucking autocorrect

[eternal talon]

we are a part of legion

[spiral otter]

Ik that

[eternal talon]

RISE still had issues where the subjects despite being fully grown, had the mental capacity of children

[spiral otter]

wasn’t legion established before the end of the world?

[eternal talon]

and these issues were never finished by the time they all died.

wrdn is using the scraps and what kovac left behind in rise to create his units.

so far he has made at LEAST 23.

[spiral otter]

The prisoners?

[eternal talon]

yes.

[eternal talon]

no.

we aren't units.

we were originally normal people

units never were normal

they are genetically manipulated mutants

[spiral otter]

What where they used for?

[eternal talon]

we don't know for certain, but best guess was to be an alternative to legion, or a way to stock it indefinately for cheaper and faster than it would cost to kidnap people

[spiral otter]

Ok

But the one mimic man finder found

He said it walked through

The sleepers

[eternal talon]

do you see how even the most basic things are rediculously complicated?
these videos annoy me so much

[spiral otter]

And they ignored it

[cobalt mulch]

improved masking

[eternal talon]

yes. the units wrdn has been making have been spliced with the virus

[spiral otter]

How it do that

[eternal talon]

sleepers cannot see them

[spiral otter]

Oh

[eternal talon]

video game magic

[spiral otter]

Ok

[eternal talon]

thank god you are here end my misery

[eternal talon]

^

[cobalt mulch]

r6cx frickin creepy schaeffer monologue on main extract door, still gives me the creeps and the bleeps and the jeebs

is it true specimen 22 was voiced by scaler? 🙂

[eternal talon]

not sure the va.

[cobalt mulch]

then r7 begins with "a1 - unit 23" just as r6dx ended with s22 killed

[eternal talon]

it is fully grown in d1.

[cobalt mulch]

still feel damn bad about the baby in r7d1 as it's peeled open, breathing and heart beating, kinda sad sight

[eternal talon]

you can see it through the glass

[cobalt mulch]

wtf did he do to deserve such a fate

[eternal talon]

being born under the eye of the wrdn.

[cobalt mulch]

and in the tube it goes, maybe seen again in r8 if we're lucky.. alltho the alt-stuff is gonna mess up <gary oldman> eeevrything

1bn+ parallel timelines/universes with a dynamic quad squad running around a hole in mexico, creating super-operatives and blowing up stuff

[eternal talon]

should get a degree for having memorized the lore at this point.

I AM the encyclopedia of gtfo-lore nowadays.

kinda sad all the other people that were really invested in it slowly drifted away

every patch there is more and more little things

like, if at this point even the most basic questions have paragraph long answers because of all the additional required information to explain

god forbid someone asks about the MWP or worldlines

[cobalt mulch]

well u are the living breathing source for stuff ppl can't find anywhere else

[eternal talon]

the wiki and the santonian website have everything

[cobalt mulch]

respect and kudos for the wikis etc but this channel is just mwah 👌 thanks to u

[eternal talon]

people just dont wanna read and actually study it X)

[cobalt mulch]

very true, i alone wait for someone to dig up the santonian terminal for the stuff in there 🙂 ..

[zinc crest]

Hey. I read it (after I found it)

Also. I’ve dived into the lore in my own time

It’s actually pretty weird.

[eternal talon]

what is

[zinc crest]

I was wondering how long Biocom has been trying to uninstall WRDN

Because we saw the weird instructions from biocom start before the disaster

[eternal talon]

we don't know how long specifically since we dont know when wrdn fully took over, but we can estimate.

[eternal talon]

indeed.

[zinc crest]

I think that was WRDN testing it’s control. However wouldn’t the staff have told their supervisors? (I haven’t gotten that far into the lore yet.)

I’m at ~R1C2

[next pasture]

whats the lore

[austere depot]

They actually did tell their supervisors, but it was ignored (yes, they were that stupid)
98G-SDC-2WH.LOG

Piros insists BIOCOM is unhackable as it is a biological computer. There is more technological-scientific jargon in there where the bottom line is: He believes it should be un-hackable unless the ones reporting the disturbances suggest something is communicating with it 'telepathically' (which he also perceives as impossible).

Abnormal behaviors among prisoners was also reported and sharing of knowledge and experience in between units coming out of hydrostasis. The example used is how all units learned to use C-foam to seal doors as a tactic after one in their number used it to great success. Which should be impossible due to said hydrostasis. Danger signs were present, but apparently ignored / overlooked / denied.

I do have another crazy theory (Horray, Frosty!). BIOCOM is biological. What if the parasites got in, somehow? Dauda logs them to exhibit traits of a unified intelligence, working together in ways that would be impossible otherwise. He also theorizes the parasites to happen upon the virus by accident as the two can be separated from one another.

We do not yet know if the virus affects the behavior of the parasite. Therefore, we cannot truly say that we know the behavior of the parasite when separate from the virus. What if it got in somehow, got into BIOCOM itself and the WRDN was installed from the inside? In a sense, basically using BIOCOM's own brain and resources to install a 'software/kernel/operator' that originally should not be there?

In a sense, it would be like how we would react if we got a brain parasite. Yes, we would like to delete and remove it if aware - but how? You can't just reach into your own brain and tear it out.

As for the how? Parasites are.. weird. Just weird. And they are known to be able to influence and program unaware hosts into behaviors befitting its cause.
Toxoplamosis wants to be in cats. If humans get it into their systems, said humans become obsessed with cats. Because said parasites want to be in cats they literally cause cat obsession within human hosts in order to get to their intended hosts.

If said parasites are capable of sharing data and information to generate a form of intelligence, then working to achieve an objective should be easier for it. It would have had to pass from host to host, strategically if it also wanted to avoid the virus - until hitting upon a worker with direct access to Biocom (an access port).

The issues with this theory, well, we do not even know if the Parasite behaves any different from its virus carrying variants. They could be one and the same.

There is also no confirmation for any of this, taking only basis in Dauda's logs and 'theories' which are not confirmed in universe.

What it may explain however, if the Parasite is intelligent and wants to defeat the virus, same as us. It could explain the WRDN's great interest in RISE.

[eternal talon]

Give the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel a read.

[silver sandal]

Biological computer just seems like a terrible idea, its gotta degrade/die eventually right? I guess same as computer hardware but that sounds easier to source

[real pewter]

that's why the warden want to make unit 22 and unit 23

[eternal talon]

DNA is already being used with prototypes of super compact storage IRL.

[sudden crest]

oh boy

[eternal talon]

no.

units have consistently, even back during kovac days, had the main problem with the mental capacity of children. you can't store the world's smartest supercomputer in the brain of little timmy, even if you overwrite it.

besides, as i'm sure @rocky wraith would love to go on and on about, the genetic problems with the units are so bad that it is literally impossible for them to have been created irl.

[rocky wraith]

Mlem

[silver sandal]

sounds more like SSD than a whole computer but yea interesting stuff

[eternal talon]

basically, yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_digital_data_storage

[silver sandal]

oof the "very slow" read and write times

[eternal talon]

as it is today

its a complete wild west in terms of technology

[silver sandal]

so what are your theories on what biocom is? like a brain in a jar somewhere ala Futurama?

[eternal talon]

biocom? biocom isn't like glados, that would be more likely for the wrdn.

biocom is simply a supercomputer being run on biological hardware. at the end of the day its not sentient.

don't expect giant mountains of flesh connected with cables

[silver sandal]

yeah the question here is what exactly the "biological hardware" is

[eternal talon]

think tons of DNA storage chips and other biological components in extremely cold storage zones.

but the overall mass connecting the bits is overwhelmingly mechanical

[silver sandal]

makes sense with all the cold storage stuff in R2

[eternal talon]

its very hard to theorize to what extent it is biomechanical, but its not like a person or something

the WRDN may be, the wrdn is still up in the air if it is allen or human in origin, but biocom is not.

biocom had been around long before kovac even decided to move into garganta

since it was first temporarily installed in storage hangar #4

until KDS-Deep was built

[silver sandal]

WRDN basically could have only been put in by like 2 people correct? Clinton and the technician? and potentially Schaeffer if the technician shared the details with him?

[eternal talon]

it also could have been installed over the cloud like a virus, since there were many major errors during the data burst.

we simply dont know the deets.

[silver sandal]

so outside of those 3 who would have reason/motive to create a backdoor and be able to manipulate Biocom?

[eternal talon]

for the wrdn, we have narrowed it down to two possibilities thanks to an andre piros email.

either;

A: he is lying, and it was an inside job from the higher ups at kovac "just in case" and kept under very tight wraps
B: he is telling the truth, and it is an allen construct that somehow made it into the system undetected. perhaps during the data burst in 2053 or at another point in time.

either it was made in secret by Anders and his goons, or it was made by the allens/ was an ai from the vessel in the inner that migrated to the human network.

[silver sandal]

perhaps the WRDN is programmed by Allens to find/use the MWP to access other dimensions. And that's what all the Neonate stuff is all about as well, trying to create back ups or better versions should it ever run out of KSO's (although if it has access to other timelines i guess it would technically have access to infinite KSO's)

[eternal talon]

it also could still be attempting to find a cure/way to get around nam-v. given it wiped out the allen civilization.

since the units are partially made with nam-v genetic data and are invisible to them

[silver sandal]

imagine its the opposite and the WRDN is programmed to spread Nam-V/the parasite 💀 would be super bleak

[eternal talon]

**D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/HLordeB273.flagged

Ms. Lorde,

BIOCOM cannot be hacked, hijacked, exploited, or compromised. Any code changes made to BIOCOM can only be uploaded using a proprietary FOC Optical Interface directly interfaced with BIOCOM’s organic processing unit (or the “brain bit” if that’s easier for you). There are only 4 people who have access to the FOC Interface or BIOCOM’s processing unit. Two of them are dead, one of them has never visited Garganta, and the other one is me. In addition to this already foolproof security measure, all data packets to and from BIOCOM are sent with time stamps accurate to within 2 nanoseconds. This makes physical data interception impossible. Any rerouting of the data stream would show incorrect time stamps and immediately be flagged, then that data stream would be shut down and all instructions dismissed. BIOCOM’s processing unit is biological in origin as this makes it impervious to all EMP, HPM, and STN ratio attacks. BIOCOM cannot be hacked any more than you can, so unless someone has found a way to telepathically convince BIOCOM to change its programming, your suggestion is absurd. For the second and final time of asking: if you have any more questions, run them by a flagged supervisor first.

Andre Piros
———————–
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/APirosA134.flagged

Mr. Piros,

But it IS attempting to control systems that were prohibited during installation, so something must have changed. Either someone in Kovac updated the scope of BIOCOM without authorization, or BIOCOM has been hacked. Wasn’t the brain bit recently moved into that storage facility you pretend not to have? Maybe something happened then?
———————-
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/HLordeB273.flagged**

**Ms. Lorde,

I do not know how it got access. The permissions hierarchy that was granted prior to installation were followed precisely. The BIOCOM OS only has access to the Garganta systems that were approved by your superiors. We have not updated its scope since the installation date. BIOCOM is working as intended.

Andre Piros
———————–
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/APirosA134.flagged

Mr. Piros,

That does not explain how BIOCOM accessed the power system in the first place. I understand that BIOCOM will take power when it needs it – in an environment where it has been granted access to the grid. BIOCOM does NOT have access to our power grid, and therefore should not be able to request a redirect of any generator power, and yet here we are and BIOCOM is clearly able to do that. Justifying the reasoning behind the choice is irrelevant.

How did it get access?

Ms. Lorde.
———————–
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/HLordeB273.flagged

Harriet,

That’s a BIOCOM access key. BIOCOM is a self-governing DI entity. I don’t run it. No one “runs” it. If it needs more power, it tries to get it. Other than that I have no idea why BIOCOM made these requests. If you have any more questions, run them by a flagged supervisor first.

Andre Piros
———————–
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/APirosA134.flagged**

**Mr. Piros,

There have been multiple attempts to access Garganta’s power control system from an unregistered (and therefore prohibited) source. The power system is, as I understand it, entirely off-limits to KDS and yet, as you can see below – you have attempted to reroute power to unit B-7 (that’s KDS Deep) for some undisclosed reason. If the system had approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the facility would have shut down. I would like an explanation.

PCS alert: unauthorized access logged
Date: 04/05/2054
AccessID#: 29$525GVTHR2%456FS
WRDN: override
Request received:
generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault)
Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.
Request received:
generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault
Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.
Request received:
generator_A-01, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-03, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-05, redirect(HSU vault)
generator_A-07, redirect(HSU vault
Request denied. Limits exceeded. PID override false.
Port closed.
Please contact a CPDS administrator.**

[eternal talon]

if it is allen in origin, i highly doubt it'd be made to spread it further. it is already basically impossible to remove from a planet once contaminated and this same symbiotic pair wiped out all of its makers.

'sides, all of human civilization is gone. it's already bleak af.

[silver sandal]

im wondering if thats the WRDN attempting to activate the canon squad for the first time since its 4 different gennies for HSU vaults. Assembling the squad

[eternal talon]

both wrdn and schaeffer seemed to recognize us as the perfect quad.

[silver sandal]

yeah since canonically we do everything first try. but im wondering what the WRDN was attempting to do by activating those HSU's (especially if it would cause power overload to almost the rest of garganta's grid). To me that's indication that whatever it was is so important that the WRDN didnt care about alerting/messing up the rest of the complex to do it.

[eternal talon]

wrdn already had us. schaeffer had to take seconds.

hence, henrikkson.

[eternal talon]

could have not expected our grid to be so weak if it was allen also.

[silver sandal]

yeah. WRDN seems pretty smart though. Maybe it was just attempting to mobilize more KSO's for the eventual overrun of the complex

[eternal talon]

one of its key objectives was the take-over of KDS-DEEP and regaining control over the previously lost HSUs. thats what all of r5 was about. WRDN getting stuff fixed after schaeffer's lockdown so that we could go in and give it access. inside kds-deep was 24,000 additional hsus.

before that, the wrdn was working with at most 8,000 ksos

[silver sandal]

Ah gotcha. Have not gotten to play R5 yet. But makes sense since Schaef caused a lockdown

[eternal talon]

well, that's a bit complicated.

he did that BEFORE he became a kso.

when he was still normal, traveling via the vent network.

he followed the ksos to KDS-DEEP when biocom recalled them.

[silver sandal]

Yeah I remember he chose to go in and accidentally locked himself in, then had to go in a HSU

[eternal talon]

the place was infested, and he locked himself in but couldn't get the doors back open.

[bleak trench]

where's that photo from?

[eternal talon]

and thus begins, the schaeffer discrepancy.

[eternal talon]

r5e1. one of the KDS-Deep vaults.

its the last zone of the level.

[bleak trench]

and R5 is no longer available

[eternal talon]

not for a while

[bleak trench]

wonderful

[eternal talon]

you CAN'T get a lot of the lore anymore.

[radiant root]

Just got to wait a few months for ar5

[eternal talon]

unless you wait 1+ years, you will need to rely on our community resources.

[eternal talon]

we aren't even on r3. i'd say ~10 minimum

10cc are slow

aside from me and my LFD, all there is is the wiki, notion.so (not really updated anymore afik), and the santonian.industries website

i'm in here all the time if anyone ever needs info

[silver sandal]

So whats the deal with the swapped Bishop? I know details are limited but what are the theories on that? Like a different Bishop came back, is he aware/have a plan? Is WRDN aware that it's an Alt Bishop? IIRC the log makes it sound like no one really cared outside the guy who discovered the mask. And what of the OG Bishop of that expedition? Killed on the job, or taken out and replaced by Alt Bishop? 🤔

[eternal talon]

so, somehow, as beanz would put it, after e1, our worldline is merging with alt//r1's worldline

theirs is much slower than ours, so it seems like we've gone "back in time" but we have not.

[silver sandal]

Which E1?

[eternal talon]

r7e1

so there are literally two bishops, two wardens, two hacketts, etc

of everyone

(not including dead or alive)

we have a MONSTROUS excel doc detailing THOUSANDS of worldlines.

^

its a key distinction based on how the MWP and allen tech works.

it isn't timelines or time travel

we are literally traveling the multiverse.

[silver sandal]

yeah i remember that, just wasnt clear on the whole merging worldlines thing and also Bishop is the only one confirmed to have crossed over so far correct?

[eternal talon]

in r6d4, we go to 3 different alternate earths even.

so something happened at the end of r7.

we just dont know what.

that caused this

[eternal talon]

we all have

we, us, the OG r1-r7 crew, are playing the alt rundowns

we dont know how we ended up,

or if the wrdns overwrote eachother, or what the hell is going on,

but this mess is where we are post r7.

the merging of two universes.

[silver sandal]

i know, i mean the Alt Bishop, from when they found the different mask. He swapped places with the OG canon Bishop correct?

[eternal talon]

not swapped places. our worldlines combined. there are now two bishops.

there is another bishop either dead or alive, out there somewhere

and that goes for everybody else also

two schaeffers, given the morse code in alt//r1

though we dont know if that is ours, or the alt//s

[silver sandal]

so since we are playing in 2 worldlines (OG and Alt) theoretically there should be another canon squad out there doing work at the same time as us?

[eternal talon]

if the wrdn(s?) have them active, yes.

but we dont know

since we are doing these missions, and they aren't,

we dont know what they are doing

[silver sandal]

well we do know that the Alt Bishop was activated

[eternal talon]

or if they are even awake

its all fucked

[eternal talon]

yes, but given it was the ef01 mounting platform, that mask was left there in 2055.

(for reference, in our own original worldline, gtfo's r1 started ~2061-2063)

so a LOT of things are out of order

[silver sandal]

i really hope the worldline stuff has a good explanation, its gotta be tied to whatever the WRDN is doing since its calling the shots

[eternal talon]

since in 2055, a lot of the complex would still be alive

but.. still dead with what we see.

not to mention, the terrain in the alt worldline is slightly different.

the complex was built, slightly different

i remember r1c1 especially, i had zone 64-a MEMORIZED

but in alt//r1, the zone was COMPLETELY changed.

it had standard security doors even

this was an exact map of the subzone i made back then. was truly my favorite level.

[radiant root]

Who is speaking in the interrupted communications on every level?

[kindred marlin]

my guess is failed teams anyone can correct

[eternal talon]

In the rundown screen? Bogan70 is correct.

[amber nimbus]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/I_AM_A_NEW_PLAYER?action=edit&redlink=1

[odd halo]

oh oops no right channel

[heavy lynx]

i have a question

who/what is the warden

and who/what create it

[sudden crest]

AI
and we don’t know.

[minor saffron]

DI, it is an access key into BIOCOM

[lilac island]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-danse-dance-danse-cat-cats-gif-17681119 no0oo0

[minor saffron]

Andre Piros himself says "That’s a BIOCOM access key. BIOCOM is a self-governing DI entity."

That quote from a Log is what leads me to believe what I said

[heavy lynx]

what is a di?

[minor saffron]

digital Intelligence

[heavy lynx]

is that another way of saying AI

[minor saffron]

probably not, if it was AI I'm sure he would have said AI, probably a reason behind DI

[cobalt mulch]

iirc DI in this context has been called Decision Intelligence

[eternal talon]

No. Decision intelligence, not digital.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_intelligence

[eternal talon]

Keyword is biocom. Warden is not biocom. Warden is an invasive program that took over biocom's systems and is using them as its own. They've been trying to delete each other for over a decade.

[minor saffron]

Ahh oki, while Biocom may be Decision Intelligence (Never heard of it, thanks for the info :D ), he does however specify Warden as an Access key

[upbeat garnet]

What is actually happening when neonate is connected to neural frame?

As in what’s the purpose of it?

[finite vine]

I don't think we have figured that out yet honestly

[solemn kraken]

R7D1 ? it grows. you can see it happen before your own eyes

to adult in 20 seconds

It's probably becoming the next specimen

[eternal talon]

can you link me the log where it says that pls?

[upbeat garnet]

When I think neural I think brain. Is it injecting it with some sort of accelerated growth hormone and simultaneously doing something with its brain? What is the neural frame?

Is it something like the cortex interface the prisoners have? Which I also wonder what is functionally happening there. It seems the prisoners still maintain autonomy by the way they talk and whatnot. Is the injection just so wrdn can monitor vitals, status, and see what prisoners see?

[minor saffron]

https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=2909f58bdedc4c3a8570f3d6ad3309a1&pm=s Not sure if the link will work, it is FTR-004-V.LOG

feel free to let me know if my interpretation of the log is wrong here

[eternal talon]

this isn't the staff calling wrdn an access key. they piros themselves wouldn't call it an access key. they would be the ones to know about wrdn more than anyone else. they are referring to alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/HLordeB273.flagged

while they are investigating into the power requests.

[minor saffron]

WRDN was later used to flag things through Biocom

[eternal talon]

AccessID#: 29$525GVTHR2%456FS
WRDN: override

i dont know how you came to the conclusion that the wrdn is a key.

[minor saffron]

If it was the wrong AccessID, would WRDN not allow it?

[eternal talon]

a lock doesn't delete keys.

[eternal talon]

thats entirely irrelevant. wrdn is the one overriding. they aren't 'tapping into the wrdn' so to say. if prios is correct, none of them even know what the wrdn is.

[minor saffron]

But he of all people would have been curious about it, maybe later things might be revealed about it

[eternal talon]

things might be revealed about what

we have the wrdn down to the tip of the nail. either prios lied to SMC leadership and he and kovac's cronies installed it, or he told the truth and they didnt

there is no inbetween

the email you linked is FROM piros, asking about the intrusion to other staff.

[minor saffron]

no it isnt

[eternal talon]

bruh

[minor saffron]

it's Harriet asking Piros

[eternal talon]

bruh. lemme just enhance this

** If you have any more questions, run them by a flagged supervisor first. I’m busy keeping you alive.
Andre**

why would lorde sign his name andre?

then the "reply" say "mr piros,"

———————–
D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/APirosA134.flagged
Mr. Piros,

[minor saffron]

the first email is underneath, then it is his reply at the top? that is how I am reading it

[eternal talon]

why would any email chain ever go 213?

[minor saffron]

why would he reply about it if there was no report?

[eternal talon]

what program are you using for your emails?

[minor saffron]

ever replied to an email?

first email usually is underneath

[eternal talon]

it also starts with Harriet,

there is ZERO room for interpretation

D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.kds_ops/HLordeB273.flagged
Harriet,
That’s a BIOCOM access key. BIOCOM is a self-governing DI entity. I don’t run it. No one “runs” it. If it needs more power, it tries to get it. Other than that I have no idea why it made this request. If you have any more questions, run them by a flagged supervisor first. I’m busy keeping you alive.
Andre this is piros' email.

he signs it, he mentions harriet in the first line, i'm not sure what more you want

[minor saffron]

She asks at the end "Care to explain?", later would he respond? or why would he even send that email in the first place?

[eternal talon]

what are you even talking about at this point? i'm truly confused. your original message was that "biocom is an access key". yet piros himself says that is biocom.

[minor saffron]

I never said Biocom is an access key...

[eternal talon]

^ yes you did.

[minor saffron]

" he does however specify Warden as an Access key"

[eternal talon]

i have a question
who/what is the warden
and who/what create it

AI
and we don’t know.

DI, it is an access key into BIOCOM

[eternal talon]

because wrdn isn't a frickin key.

i'm done with this conversation.

[minor saffron]

oki, we clearly cant get our ideas across through text, soz dude

"DI, it is an access key into BIOCOM" ahh, you see the "," that is how I split the answers, my mistake for shortening it so it has been misread, that ones on me

[finite vine]

We didn't use a neural frame in R7, we used one in R3.

[solemn kraken]

As far as I know the R3 baby was also confirmed to have been grown into one of the specimens. But I'm not sure about it

[austere depot]

I can provide some context. We are not sure yet where the WRDN came from. It has however set itself up to 'inherit' the Biocom system, meaning as far as the control software goes, it can direct Biocom which in turn direct everything within the facility.

WRND (as inheritor) --(orders)--> Biocom --(orders)--> Everything in the facility + us, the prisoners.

The access codes are very relevant in theories regarding human perpetrators behind the WRDN. Installation, unless Piros is lying, requires direct access to the mainframe. According to Piros only four individuals has the code required to do so.
Schaeffer is likely a fifth rogue possessor of the backdoor codes as he has directly interfered on several missions. He was never meant to have it, but had a close friendship with one who installed BIOCOM, Artus (D017).

[austere depot]

The rabbit hole on this one goes deep..
Andrew Clinton was the one who insisted on extra security measures before allowing Biocom installation. The backdoor was established to appease him, so it is likely that he has it. Andrew Clinton has been perceived dead in one timeline only to be confirmed alive in another so there is a schrödingers cat situation regarding when he lived and died. W-a-r-d-e-n is also an anagram for A-n-d-r-e-w, which I find hilarious (LOL) so there is that.

Piros, confessed to having them, but we do not know if he is lying when he said only four do. The fourth has never visited Garganta, according to Piros, making Davies a possible candidate.

Ah, I must correct myself. Marcus Ganty was the name of the guy who wanted to appease Andrew

Which either means Piros was lying or he did not know..

It could be Andrew breaching protocol

[uncut sphinx]

Im absolutely loving reading through all this lore and stuff
Like id never have put all this together on my own so i can only thank all of those who have put in the work to get this far with it
The anagram part is so plausible...

[austere depot]

I had missed the part where Marcus Ganty was the one to install Biocom and bring to light the backdoor codes. It may have been fatigue or rashness on my part. Because then, how did Arteus (installer of hearsay system) come upon them?
Andrew Clinton had a tendency to break protocol and has been reprimanded for ignoring the chain of command through several emails. He did order Arteus (D017) to install the hearsay system in secret. Only the top knew about it.
Since Andrew's actions have proven sketchy in the past, I can think it possible he shared those codes if he intended to use Arteus for his own designs. Or.. as the brain behind the integration of the Hearsay system, perhaps Arteus could have learned the codes through its use (it becoming a double-edged sword). Either way, Arteus is the likely candidate to have shared those codes with Schaeffer.

Upon reading log HCC-GGB-3U6, it is also revealed that parts of BIOCOM (if not all of it) was stored and operational in Hangar 4 for a time. We know very little of Hangar 4, but this could have big implications.

[austere depot]

The log states as follows:
"For BIOCOM to perform autonomously it requires unrestricted access to the host infrastructure. We are able to use the temporary location in Hangar 4 while we wait for Deep to be completed, but we cannot function without full access, regardless of where the organics are located."

It is possible that, A: They set up station to integrate Biocom in Hangar 4 with its 'brain' located elsewhere. B: They set up a station and its brain temporarily in Hangar 4 while they wait for KDS deep to be completed.

Piros believes Biocom is impervious to attacks. It may be installed in its proper location by then. But the email he defends it in, is also strange.

Log: 98G-SDC-2WH
Piros: "I do not know how it got access. The permissions hierarchy that was granted prior to installation were followed precisely. The BIOCOM OS only has access to the Garganta systems that were approved by your superiors. We have not updated its scope since the installation date. BIOCOM is working as intended."

Ms.Lorde: "But it IS attempting to control systems that were prohibited during installation, so something must have changed. Either someone in Kovac updated the scope of BIOCOM without authorization, or BIOCOM has been hacked. Wasn’t the brain bit recently moved into that storage facility you pretend not to have? Maybe something happened then?"

What we learn from these two logs: The 'brain unit' of the Biological computer has been moved and it has not had any 'official updates' since its adoption and integration (according to Piros). Piros believes the brain to be neigh impregnable after installation in its proper place (unless he is lying) but this confirms that it has been moved. It may have spent time stationed in hangar 4 and once in this storage mentioned my Ms. Lorde. What we do not know, are the security details following either of the two locations.

and well, we also do not know if Piros is lying (which Kovac has a sad tendency to do)

[vocal rain]

i just got the HF Van Niel T1 backpack and wanted to ask:

what the heck is that

[austere depot]

Cosmetic, I suppose. Though it may be related to the underground gardens and their workers. They performed a lot of experiments on plant growing and plant growth rate.

[eternal talon]

It's a flower.

Cosmetics arent cannon anyhow. -> prosthetic limbs

[vocal rain]

🤔 maybe i was seeing things because at first glance I thought it was a ||baby sleeper||

[heavy lodge]

what's the original objective for R7D2 anyone got any idea?

The one which Warden initially assigned to player squad

[austere depot]

https://i.gyazo.com/af7c75d2ef9cc6e480074fa528f8a8f9.png

Looks to be this.

[austere depot]

It cost me an arm and a leg to get those though... 😐

[tardy wren]

could someone explain the thing behind starting up the game?

when u first start the game there comes this weird startup commands and etc.

[cobalt mulch]

game boots with us looking at wrdn's interface, assessing the player's physical and mental status, presumably after many deployments and recoveries.. the recommendation is retirement, not fit for service, but wrdn overrides it, forces our deployment. it activates our cortex interface and chooses an expedition (task) to send us to (we do that ourselves) .. then we get woken up from hydrostasis, our hsu opens and the elevator arm grabs our pod for descent. then we have a female crisis and down we go.

[zinc crest]

Female crisis

[eternal talon]

what?

i don't get it

[jagged dawn]

🤨

[plush nest]

I mean I think I would if I just finished a level and was forced back into an hsu only to be woken up to do it all again

[eternal talon]

you think you would what

HSU stays wipe memories. you wouldn't remember ANY previous expedition.

[drifting island]

who better to represent the female crisis than Woods Dauda Hacket and Bishop

[eternal talon]

wtf is a "female crisis"

[drifting island]

something ||sexist|| Top Gear*, probably

[drifting island]

i think it wipes long term.
the logs of the prisoners reacting to each other's ga make it sound like they are familiar with each-other

they still remember their own names and such, right?

[eternal talon]

it depends on length. the longer you stay the more your memories are wiped. with us entering Hydrostasis after every mission, we'd slowly begin to lose memories regardless.

its 2-years (avg) for a full wipe though.

[drifting island]

gotcha gotcha

[wintry knot]

In the game files there's unused audios for the characters giving each other debriefings on items, explaining how hsu's and turbines work so I imagine it's long term

[eternal talon]

anything unnused in the code is not cannon.

they've had scrapped enemies and objects in there for years

[wintry knot]

True but still interesting

[eternal talon]

deployable cover, flares, etc

[wintry knot]

The urge to make a gtfo restored mod

[eternal talon]

unlikely. most of these are completely untextured, with only partially finished models, and with missing components.

regardless, .modding

[drifting island]

deployable cover sounds goofy

[wintry knot]

If people can remake duke nukem 3d from a 2001 build built for a trailer specifically I can do this

[eternal talon]

it really is. there is a reason it was scrapped. super janky.

[eternal talon]

most advanced thing i've seen so far in terms of that is someone 3d modelling a cat as a pickup objective item.

[wintry knot]

The only way I could imagine it working is if you could like plug or block door ways with it

Like a secondary c-foam or something

But ig that would elimate the need for c-foam so yeah I can see why it was removed

[zinc crest]

A crisis about getting no women

I think

[drifting island]

thaaat makes more sense

[cobalt mulch]

u guys need more jeremy clarkson @ old top gears 🙂

[drifting island]

is there a season you recommend? i probably can't commit to the 5 (10? +?) of Top Gear out there

[cobalt mulch]

in context i would say this suffices https://youtu.be/5T7-0FT0dtw

[austere depot]

I have a theory. Though as some might have seen, I have a lot of theories. That is the point with theories though. You make them and they are either proved or disproved.
Anyhow, this theory I call 'reverse insertion theory'. The idea of this particular theory is that instead of control being inserted into the prisoners, the prisoners are inserted into us. That means Woods, Dauda, Hacked and Bishop being inserted into us, the players. As operative personalities while whoever we are, are suppressed (Get out style).
Very little basis for this one, just Dauda's dialogue in the original release trailer.
"It comes every night without fail. There are different people every time, but I recognize them somehow." (different people, yet, same people)
"They're screaming at me. I don't hear them but I know they're screaming." (subconscious, perhaps)
"Such hate and anger!" (Whatever screams, not audibly but in his mind / subconscious, is furious according to Dauda)
"I don't know what I have done to them" (He either forgets or remains ignorant of the cause of their anger)
"They want me to feel what they feel."

Most particular is the last part:
"Then I wake up. I am not sweating or screaming. I am perfectly calm. I just open my eyes and I am awake." (Implying Dauda can wake whenever he wants)

Given that our name is used for the subjects for each subsequent login, that is how the theory took shape. I think however, that it has been disproven since.

It made sense at one point as we could die, die and die over again - and would explain how we could be in two places at once during R2B1 and R2B2 since R2B1 is a distraction for mission R2B2

[past matrix]

this is super late, but as hidden_fish brings up, its to collect new seeds for the HSU process

the dialogue text implies that the eggs were in massive containers

and that the prisoners who were sent to do the objective ended up stuck down there

[drifting island]

do we know why Dauda is missing voicelines?

[jaunty widget]

To be fair R2B1 could still be a distraction mission for R2B2 even if we're not in two places. We'd be luring sleepers over in B1, extracting, and then going to B2. Assuming B2 is far enough away from B1 we'd still likely lower the amount of sleepers there. At least in my experience B2 also has a lot of big bois which are what is lured at the end of B1 which could be implying just that.

[restive imp]

What why

[tardy wren]

THE LORE

[shut mountain]

As much as I like cats and toads fellas, I don't believe they are part of the lore and I shall yoinky spoinky them away

[silver sandal]

aren't these in reference to Dauda's shady past experimenting/hurting people? Which was his big reason for losing his memory by becoming a KSO

[austere depot]

Probably!

[burnt wren]

I dont think Dauda was particularly guilty about that

A little bit, but not enough

We have an audio log of him getting into HSU out of pure necessity - it was either that or getting shredded by approaching sleepers

Which technically makes him the "youngest" KSO out of the 4

Woods, Hackett and Bishop were KSOs long before the big sleeper break out that force Dauda into HSU and Warden utilised him later

Woods was assigned as part of his incarceration process after his massacre incident.
Hackett willingly submitted himself after realising that he's too far gone.
Bishop was forced into the role as a punishment from crossing some higher up.

[sudden crest]

sadge

[austere depot]

Dug up some interesting name symbolism:
KOVAC defense industries, I wonder if we have some here who can confirm it, translates to 'Blacksmith' in southern slavic languages (Common name in Hungarian sources say).
Which befits them as they are not only the main provider of weapons in game but the main 'smith' as the maker of the things we encounter. That includes HSU's and the entire RISE project.

Dreyfus Industries is also interesting. Deriving from the German word "drivuoss", meaning 'tree legs, tripod'. The term, though I could use some conformation for this, means 'cooking pot with three legs'. What this could potentially boil down to, is Drefus as a meltingpot for a myriad of smaller companies that it has control over.

Santonian is potentially a -really- clever and sneaky one. On one side, it refers to the Santonian age. Fitting for a company going drilling after the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. The 'Santonian-age', established Henri Coquand, was given its name where the first samples were discovered/uncovered/located, Saintes.
I could use some confirmation here as well: 'Saintes' means holy

View their symbol from this lens.
The earth and mountains are broken apart, which is their mission as a mining company.
However, it also resembles a lightning bolt striking from the 'heavens', digging deep into the earth

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/1/18/SantonianLogo.png/revision/latest?cb=20191212171222

[burnt wren]

That is a very clever symbol indeed

Before you pointed it out - to me i just looks like a funny "high voltage" symbol (mostly because of yellow)

[solar nova]

Some 5Head shit

[restive imp]

Drivuoss isnt a word atleast not in german or if it somehow is then its mad old and no one uses it

[shut mountain]

Related to the Hungarian name, Kovac is very close to the word "kovács", which indeed means "blacksmith" in Hungarian - source, I'm Hungarian. Piros' family name is also of Hungarian origin, it means "Red", although this is less relevant to the lore, more so a fun-fact.

[toxic flower]

theory: the gtfo cast names are actually Goods, Tauda Fackett and Oishop

[honest sky]

Fackett😍

[hot burrow]

My favorite part of gtfo is when Fackett said “ It’s focking time.” Then watching him get brutally beaten to death by a giant.

[snow tusk]

mine was when woods said "get the fuck out!" And everybody got the fuck out

[final sentinel]

Me

[austere depot]

okay, get this... Artus Chaperon (D0017) was responsible for the installation of the Hearsay surveillance system.

Chaperon: Britannica Dictionary definition of CHAPERON(E). [count] 1. US : someone (such as a teacher or parent) who goes with children on a trip or to a school dance to make sure that the children behave properly. (wow..just wow)

by coincidence or artistic choice, that is hilarious x'D

Ah, my bad. Charapon.. damn x'D

instead he is just spicy..

[austere depot]

We have to talk about some odd conveniences. The success rate (despite all the failures) of our player characters may have been ongoing for longer than we suspected. This ties mainly into Woods and Bishop.

Woods' story. Excerpt form Log: 523_PS-778
Recruiter
"sigh Alright, I guess, let's talk about Turkey, your "miracle mile" as it was called."

Woods
"I should've died when Erzurum fell to the rebels! I should've died sneaking through enemy territory for 26 days! I should've died in the DMZ, yet somehow the snipers missed me time and time again! I should've died crossing the minefield but somehow, here I still am."

Excerpt from earlier in log: 523_PS-778
Recruiter
"Those marines at Larnica, that wasn't chaos."

What happened at Larnica, detailed in log: 84HJ4
"18 people are dead at a US military base in Larnaca, Cyprus, after a shooting rampage on Saturday morning. Authorities stated that the gunman was eventually stopped by marines having been shot 8 times, and is in critical condition at the Hausen Hospital in Nicosia. The name of the assailant is known by OPN, but is being withheld as part of our “no glory” policy."

Now, for Bishop, who crossed the wrong people through Blackmail Log: 435_IR-172

Bishop
"I was posted to the Valencia office three years ago by Janson Davies. He deliberately had me stationed here right before the civil war broke out. I got trapped in the city by Esparza’s forces, and I’ve been held hostage for three fuckin' years, until you lot showed up. After that, I sat in front of some uniformed fuckwit for four hours trying to explain that I’m the bloody victim here. Now why don’t you look me up in Santonian’s records so we can sort this out?"

"Because he’s trying to get rid of me. He put me here as a punishment, okay? He knew as far as I was going to take Valencia, so-- so he put me here hoping I would get killed along with every other foreigner, but it didn’t fucking work, did it, because here I am."

Interviewer
These are serious accusations, Mr. Bishop. For him to send you to a country on the brink of civil war, knowing full well that any foreigners in the city would almost certainly be killed.

Both appear to have survived improbable odds. Given what we know now of membranes, adjacent timelines and the possible merging of timelines (Theory of Rebecca Stokes), perhaps that something has interfered to make them survive against all odds.

[strange grove]

no

[austere depot]

Woods not only making his miracle mile, but getting shot by 8 soldiers and living

[graceful frost]

I don't think this is correct

[charred vault]

Very strong points, but I disagree

[austere depot]

Bishop surviving where they would kill every foreigner - as the most british brit to ever have britted upon this earth

[charred vault]

The multiverse theory has been confirme,

the official warden tweeter account lists the statistics on how many times the prisoners died
https://twitter.com/gtfo_the_warden/status/1271384411444051970?s=21

since there’s only 4 guys in the complex that means we’ve canonically failed a1 215440.75 times

The Warden (@GTFO_The_Warden)

Expedition Report Rundown #002
Expedition R2A1
No. of prisoners dispatched: 861,736
No. of prisoners successful: 62,379
Prisoner survival rate: 7.24%
Transmission cont... (1/12)

Twitter · Jun 12, 2020, 10:10 AM

[graceful frost]

The Complex, Chimps, and Complex Chimp Theories
What is so complex about the Complex is how non-complex the Complex’s complexities are. [End of sentence] We often see the same environments and environmental details over and over again. [End of sentence] Could this be something bigger? [End of sentence] How big does this rabbit hole get? [End of sentence] I have some theories to provide that could uncomplex this complex Complex. [End of sentence]

Theory 1: Both “Complex” and “Chimp” start with the letter “C”. [End of sentence] “C”ould this be something related to how the sleepers interact with the player? [End of sentence] Just think about it. [End of sentence] “Dauda”, “Woods”, “Bishop”, and “Hackett”, all five letters, (except for Hackett). [End of sentence] Do you know what word also has five letters? [End of sentence] Chimp. [End of sentence] That’s right, you play as an ex-chimp prisoner commissioned by the Warden (I will get to that soon). [End of sentence]

Theory 2: The sleepers are NOT chimps. [End of sentence] This theory is implausible as there are too many correlations between the chimps and sleepers for this to be true.[End of sentence]

Theory 3: Apes are the not-to-distant relative of the chimp. [End of sentence] And the chimps could obviously not fit the profile of the larger sleepers, but judging on the habitable environment of Mexico, it’s not too far-fetched to believe that the chimp and ape family were tested on because of their locality to the Vercuzian peninsula.[End of sentence]

The Warden
What is a synonym of “Warden”? Zookeeper isn’t too far off. [End of sentence] Zookeepers keep close watch of their simian underlings, and often get them to perform for them as noted by the famous colloquium “Dance monkey, dance”. [End of sentence] The Warden, similarly, uses the prisoners for their own advantageous, personal work and bidding. [End of sentence] The Warden keeps a close eye on the prisoner's progress, only letting them out of their “cage” when the Warden wants them to be let out. [End of sentence]

[graceful frost]

If we look at the lab testing tubes, as well as the sleepers themselves, their body shape and form, as well as the sleepers movement patterns and behaviors, are all very similar to the simian family. [End of sentence] Could these sleepers be shaved monkeys? [End of sentence] Or perhaps they are a crossbreed between monkeys and chickens? [End of sentence] Someone offered a great theory (that has been confirmed by a reliable source!) that the structure within the sleepers are EGGS. [End of sentence] Monkeys are not known to lay eggs as they are mammals, but a chicken/monkey crossbreed could remedy this abnormality. [End of sentence] Though a chicken doesn’t make much sense as they have feathers and obviously that gene would show up within sleepers. [End of sentence] So I propose one more theory. [End of sentence]

Theory 4: Monkey/Platypus Hybrid is the second best conclusion. [End of sentence] A platypus lays eggs and also has SMOOTH SKIN, just like a sleeper. [End of sentence] The rough texture that sleeper skin has can be related to a monkey’s also, very rough and coarse skin texture. [End of sentence] This gives the sleeper’s appearance and explains why the sleepers contain eggs within themselves. [End of sentence]

[austere depot]

FER-WI9-053.Log provides the numbers for prisoners dying 👍 🐵 sorry, I mean monkeys

so who among the four is see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil?

[strange grove]

CHIMPS ARE NOT MONKEYS

YOU ARE BANNED

[austere depot]

and who is do no evil?

[graceful frost]

NORTH

[strange grove]

NORTH

[austere depot]

Bishop is definitely not speak no evil. Have you heard him ask for tool-refill?

Best monkey is Clas Henrikson by far 🇸🇪

[austere depot]

"Monkeys are not known to lay eggs as they are mammals, but a chicken/monkey crossbreed could remedy this abnormality."

Diogenes of Sinope: "Behold, I've brought you a man!"

Did you keep all of this in wait until someone posted though? 0-0

[burnt wren]

I see the lack of "serious" tag in the server description is going well, eh

[past matrix]

people who believe chimp theory isnt real or serious are in denial and coping

[eternal talon]

sorry to sink your ship, but there are 32,000 of us down here.

[eternal talon]

i miss it dearly. no idea whatsoever what all the above talk is about

[burnt wren]

You and me buddy. I feel like i'm reading mumblings of people in a high fewer.

[umbral lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/thealexera-soyjak-surprised-amazed-wojak-gif-19919803

"I miss the good old days when people couldn't make jokes"

[daring glen]

guys i found new lore, at the begining theres a guy that kills you if got near him in the first level of the game and hes the scary man that actually starts everything guys thisa is insane guys

[umbral lagoon]

No way

[austere depot]

I think that is the point he makes. The WRDN is proven to keep a record of signatures (individuals) across membranes. That list goes well above 32,000.

It may even be 32,000 (give or take, double or erase) per membrane.

There is also the log listing that a number of 120,000 chips are to arrive.. which would, ironically (if we like jokes and crazy tin-foil theories), add the intended number to the 120,000 listed survivors in 'Revelation' (the apocalypse, lol)
I do think though it would only be narratively symbolic if anything. Part of a meta-narrative rather than 'lore'.
Though I am still waiting to see if Rundown 3 will be released come easter.

Ah, my bad x'D that was 144,000 x'D

good 😁 🤣

[eternal talon]

Well it literally says exact numbers for the amount of HSUs in garganta. That is 32k.

[austere depot]

True. But not all of those are KSO. If we based WRDN statistics on that number, we would be depleted. The number may have been provided for us to start to ask questions about the physics and narrative.

[burnt wren]

Either it's multiverse shenanigans (making KSOs infinite) or twitter Warden is not canob

[austere depot]

Either could be true.
Log: FER-WI9-053
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/7/7e/ALT_R2B4Log1.png/revision/latest?cb=20221209101104

what is worrysome here though, is the update.meta command resulting in a lot of what appears to be "local" WRDN's updating their lists

If the WRDN talks to itself across membranes, then it has become a networked intelligence.

If this is the case, we will just have to wait and see the effectiveness of Clas's trojan

[eternal talon]

We've used the wrdn twitter to confirm when now is in the past.

[eternal talon]

Infinite wardens, infinite Trojans. It should make little difference in the end.

[eternal talon]

Those are hydrostasis units.. yes.. those are designed for ksos. I'd highly doubt they were brought in for normal staff

[eternal talon]

Chips aren't necessarily only for ksos either. You have the rise project. Not to mention a lot could be surplus. When they were brought In I doubt Kovac thought the world was really gonna end

[burnt wren]

Yeah, putting your scinlentists and engineers into the Amnseia Pod would be too small brain a move even for Kovac.

[eternal talon]

If they did, why overstock so much?

Biggest thing is that chart lists multiple variants of the same people. It is across worldlines.

We know how many ksos they had in our worldline. It's true that there is more out there, but that's got nothing to do with the original stock

[eternal talon]

I wonder what this means by "return MWP"

[burnt wren]

Well it's either literal return, or it's a programming command for "give me data"

Return CommandName kindly asks the program to "return" the results of its' work.

So Warden is literally requesting data from a code called MWP.

[celest pagoda]

Had an idea: maybe we are considered the perfect quad by the warden as, according to the MASSIVE membrane file with all the personal listed, only two timelines have the 4 still alive. This may be what the alt universe is, the only other timeline I'm which the 4 are still alive other than our own.

But back to my point, we may be considered the perfect quad in EVERY universe as we are (almost) the only intact group of 4 as far as the warden knows. This is assuming, as proposed earlier, that the Warden has knowledge of all timelines, and that at some point, the alt quad may die off.

[eternal talon]

#community-polls message

Lol

We already know the answer to dis

[celest pagoda]

Wrong link or did somebody delete a message?

[eternal talon]

no, the link works

[toxic flower]

the warden is a yes

[sudden crest]

My question is, if the Warden is in fact a person/people, how would they still be alive if everyone is either dead or mutated? You might think HSUs like the player characters, but you need someone on the outside to open them right?

[harsh saffron]

Tbf if you are controlling the Warden/Biocom I would imagine you can just set a timer on your own HSU for example.

And if there are multiple ppl they can just take turns in HSUs I guess

[sudden crest]

Hmm…

[harsh saffron]

I would imagine the question is more meant like: "Is there a single person/a group controlling the Warden or is it just an AI running on its own?"

Because if there is somebody sitting on a terminal entering all of the Warden commands manually I would probably answer that question with "An individual".

[austere depot]

Possible, but we have traced multiple membranes. I think there are two where all the prisoners four prisoners remain active at the same time, but contains other inconsistencies.

It is not only the four that needs to match, but Schaeffer, Henrikson and others. I do believe you are right, but I do not believe the 'main' and 'alt' membranes are found within that list. The WRDN according to FER-WI9-053 have after all, found over a billion different membranes, far more than the list covers.

I did try to point out the incredible luck of both Woods and Bishop in an earlier post before I was bombed by the chimp joke-theory post (🐒) . I believe there is some connection there if you look at their backstories.

Woods 'miracle mile' (hinted in his voice log). He supposedly walked out alive after being trapped behind enemy lines. Was missed by snipers 26 times and survived a minefield. A news article states, when he went beserk, he was shot by 8 soldiers and survived.

[celest pagoda]

Oh damn, good point. Not sure how I skipped over checking on Schaef, Henrikson, and others.

It is true that Woods escape is a miracle, and that Bishop surviving the Venezuelan Civil War is also miraculous. Maybe a not a greater force per say, but perhaps we are in the timeline in which everything falls into place to allow the 4 to remain alive.

[austere depot]

Bishop survived for 3 years as a hostage for revolutionaries.. where the goal was apparently to kill every foreigner to their country (Davies and the company put him there for his blackmail). He somehow survived. I say somehow, because.. you have heard him speak. He is the Brittiest Brit with the most British accent gifted to a good british man of this earth.

[austere depot]

If Rebecca Stoke's theory is correct, and something has the power to set up events at fixed points of time and 'meld timelines' for the correct and desirable outcome. Then they may indeed have been constructed to be just they way they need them to be.

with some dark implications, wearing a bit of a tin-foil hat here, that it may include setting Hacket and his family up with some severe family trauma listed in the "Curse of Colt" log.

Because if that is correct, then Hacket would have needed to have been constructed to be just as he is in the squad

[celest pagoda]

Solid ideas. Though I interpret that stokes log as something (like the MWP) being able to prepare and set up for an event rather than create a new one on a given timeline. While an event in a timeline can be manipulated and controlled, an new event cant be created. Either way though, it could work.

[austere depot]

it must also be taken into account that some membrane frequencies move at a faster time than others. And if the WRDN is sharing Data with itself... here is my theory (tin foil firmy in place)
The KSO's are confirmed to have shared knowledge in between Hydrostasis. This, to the bafflement of those who logged the observations. It should not be possible, but likely after the WRDN took control of BIOCOM, something happened.
We both fail and succeed at missions and we play members of the same squad every time. When we succeed however - that is knowledge the prisoners bring back with them. Experience / knowledge has been confirmed to be shared. It is possible that when we succeed, we share a knowledge of 'how to succeed'. If that knowledge is part of the data the WRDN shares, then we are informing other prisoners of how to succeed at a given task.

What we may be playing is a 'trial squad', failing and dying a lot to generate information for others to succeed. It would become a bit of a meta narrative in that case as this is exactly what we do as players. We try and we wither succeed or die. With every success and death, we accumulate knowledge which we arm ourselves with.

Potentially, it could be the only reason why we are extracted at all.

In short, when we succeed at one part, we leave a 'ghost' behind. A memory of the best placements for defense, sentry positions, what doors to mine, where to place C-foam. So when we need a team to 'play a distraction', they do this using 'our experience'. wow, in that sense we would be the ghost of every character.

...It may even be the reverse. What if it goes full insertion? What if we see ourselves as the prisoners because that is the memory we are guided by? And in reality, we succeed the missions by a form of sleep-walking? 0-0

The log-in screen uses our alias for the neural interface.

[eternal talon]

<
It's not timelines. Timelines qualify as separate variations of an existing world at different intervals of time.

This is not how gtfo's worldlines work. As is in stokes' journal, time is relative to the observer. And we enter alt//r1 after our own r7 yet we do not encounter our own past selves as the events are different because of our interaction, yet this interaction doesn't double again into another timeline because the universes at play aren't defined by key moments and changes in spacetime.

Tldr: there aren't 4 squads in alt. There are two. The fact that we know this and have evidence for only a single duplicate proves the previous theory that these aren't timelines.

.
GTFO's wordlines are unaffected by each other in the broader sense, and instead were defined by a moment (big bang?) Or some other phenomena in the extreme past that we certainly will never learn anything about

Alt//r1's merging with our own only stands to prove this as two timelines would just split into another timeline.

[celest pagoda]

OK, I used the wrong word. When I say different timeline I mean universe, I'll go correct some stuff.

[eternal talon]

... they may be the same universe.. technically im not sure we know.

combining different theories of this magnitude is far beyond me

[austere depot]

Alternate states.

Stoke's theory:
"If a wave from a different dimension meets another wave from a different dimension, the superposition that occurs in theory could be identical to a superposition that occurs in our known dimension."

"And if the differentiator between these dimensions is the quantum frequency, that dimension’s perception of the passage of time, in theory that identical superposition could happen an infinite number of times and, in theory, might even have some predictability. If something is predictable, it can be prepared for. A mechanic can be devised to control and manipulate it."

What I think happened, is that the rare occurrence of the tragic tale of all four prisoners.. was manipulated into happening in one membrane.
Say what happened to Woods occurred in membrane A, Dauda in membrane B, Hacket in membrane C and Bishop in membrane D. If the entity could read, predict and see the 'superpositions for all occurrences', it could influence multiple membranes to make ABCD occur in membranes at mass

that means of course that instead of having multiple membranes with outcome A, B, C or D. We may have multiple membranes with outcome ABCD @u@

[still ether]

GTFO takes place I'm the slime rancher universe

[austere depot]

Explains the liquification process initiated upon bodily destruction and organ failure 🤔
Heinous mutations must have caused said slime to evolve into increasingly violent forms!

[still ether]

yeah, they start out violent

but then they become slimey lil cuties

[austere depot]

Which also informs us that we are using the wrong tools.
Guns. Ineffective against their slimy forms.
We need that slime-vacuum.

[still ether]

they aren't slime yet tho

plus guns are too good imo

need a nerf

[fervent pilot]

who is behind all of this , why are we being droped -98276354827364328901764ft into hell, who/what made people infected and why the hell is there an abandoned Walmart area 51 in the middle of no where?

[eternal talon]

who is behind what specifically. we don't know the full extent of the wrdn's goals so i can't say why we are being dropped other than to do missions and gather stuff it wants/needs.

the sleepers are the result of a multidimensional parasite and virus, yadayadayada, read the "for dummies" doc in this pins.

it is the best summary i could possibly give.

[fervent pilot]

so the wardens behind this ok so it is some kind of prison

[eternal talon]

this is not a prison.

[fervent pilot]

oh

[eternal talon]

this was originally an iridium mine

that was turned into a lab to research what they found.

read the doc.

the little 📌 icon in the top right of your screen will take you to the pins

its the top post.

[fervent pilot]

thanks

[eternal talon]

its a .txt. its too big to view from discord, so you'll need to download it or click the "view whole file" button

[burnt wren]

Yes and no. Gargantha was initially a mining facility but had to be quickly repurposed into a research facility too when they found something besides minerals at the lower levels.
The Legion program - which is what we seem to be a part of - is... "advertised"?... as a form of alt punishment / community work for people with sentences. At least that's what people who sent Woods believed, from the vibe i got from that one interview.

The Legion project was a highly inhumane project where people are effectively brainwashed to become living drones to be under command of local management AI called BIOCOM. The stasis they use to contain us between missions wipes our memories and apparently we have some kind of chip in the back of our neck.
The product are Kovac Special Operatives or KSOs for short. Again: living drones. People only in biological sense. Do not talk unless required to, barely any thoughts of their own. Whatever BIOCOM orders - they do without hesitation. Perfect security officers, perfect soldiers and just overall very useful guys. But can't talk to them even about the weather - they barely acknowledge you exist unless you directly interfere with their objectives.

The Warden / prisoners name convention is a red herring. We're not really prisoners and he's not really our Warden.
This comes from a point when BIOCOM was injected with a Trojan that had a rather ironic name of "W4RDN" or something like that.
How did the name got out and became a common word used by KSOs (and we know they do because Schaeffer almost exclusively reffers to him that way) is a mystery.

That being said:

• Woods is here for an actual crime: he massacred a whole office of fellow marines.
• Hackett is an ex-mercenary who committed some heinous shit through his career. He willingly submitted himself for the project hoping it will remove the memories of his crimes while simultaneously acting as a punishment.
• Bishop was forced into the project because he tried to blackmail some KOVAC Bigwig. Which is technically a crime, even if KOVAC seems to deserve it.
• Dauda was a scientist of high talent and no morals to speak of. Did some horrible things in the name of science. Was forced to climb into an HSU pod to save himself from sleepers and somehow received the KSO treatment later. How or by whom - who knows. But he did.

For all intents and purposes - our protagonists are no saints, none of them.
The most relatively innocent one is probably Bishop since he only blackmailed people and didn't seem to commit murders or massacres of any kind unlike the rest of cast.

[daring glen]

who is this warden mf ppl keep talking abt

[eternal talon]

its an AI.

its covered in the "for dummies" doc in the pins. it's the community lore summary.

[austere depot]

We should really talk about GTFO as an expression of art sometime.
It is steeped in theories Biopower (by Focult) and the most rampant expression ever seen of Necropolitics (by Achilles Mebembe)
The workers at Santonian were so utterly dehumanized that the sleepers we find makes a good expression for them. So ground down in a work environment so degenerating of the human spirit that nothing remains but their bodies, anger and animalistic instinct.
Everything in GTFO is ruled by parasites. The Top firms are global parasites. They managed to lie, steal, cheat and bribe their way into Yucatan, giving nothing to its people while causing environmental destruction at mass. They are a parasite on the branch firms, who in turn are a parasite on its workers.
Hell, even the parasites in GTFO may have parasites as the NAM-V virus exists in symbiosis with it.

GTFO also puts the lyrics of "Die Gedanken sind frei" by Hoffmann von Fallersleben to shame. There is no last refuge 'of the mind' as prisoners are injected with literal mental probes and exposed to psycho-indoctrination until they are good little biological robot soldiers.

In short, what the lore tells us, is that their world was already ruled by parasites. The new virus, is just the newly introduced top of that chain.

The firm never viewed its workers as human to begin with. Or at the very least, stopped treating them as such. What is the big difference in between a sleeper, as a part of the hive, and a KSO operative following orders as a robot?

The sleepers as the mutated, distorted, mutilated human image could almost appear as the final step of the evolutionary path that the firm set them upon. Removing their rights and dignity. Exposing them to sickness while lying to them about the danger.

[burnt wren]

That's too deep, even by my standards. I can see the parallels but as far as i'm concerned its just a classic cliche story of greedy dwarfs digging too deep.

[shy root]

so this might be a dumb question, but why is warden deploying us?

to find what exactly, a cure? research?

[austere depot]

RISE, it would appear. The neonate as part of project RISE.
As to why, there are no conclusive evidence. We only know it obsesses with RISE.

It may entail the cure. But RISE also has potential that KOVAC was never able to realize. Perhaps even unable to ever realize.
They speak about it as if the damned thing is near human clay, capable to be formed and grown into anything (when finalized)
They never got to that stage however, and now the Warden appears to attempt to finalize it.

It may be that the WRDN intends to use it for another purpose than what KOVAC ever intended, as they just wanted more efficient 'soldier slaves'.
Observing the Schaeffers encounters with the first grown Neonate, and its interactions with him and sleepers (Unit 23), it is definitely not a soldier.
So, the unit was a failure. It is also possible that the WRDN grows and 'nurtures' them for an entirely different purpose.

[shy root]

ok that makes alot of sense. so the warden is trying to finish RISE since humanity is pretty much gone on the surface probably as a way to bring humanity back

[austere depot]

That is one of the theories. Unit 23 also proved capable of pheormone camouflage, making itself invisible to the sleepers. A second possible objective may be for the WRDN to venture even deeper.

[shy root]

wow that's interesting, i like how they gave us enough to fit in the puzzle but not enough to know exactly where its going. could be a save humanity or morph humanity or go deeper as its purpose is but it can only go deeper if it modifies humans. thanks for the lore bits

[eternal talon]

If you want more, there is always the for dummies in the pins.

The lore only ever goes deeper.

At this point I'm damn near cracking bedrock

[shy root]

LMAO

[eternal talon]

I have the gtfo lore knowledge of an encyclopedia yet my gameplay is like

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

[finite vine]

Yes, due to the overall objective of R7 it would seem that the Wardens main goal is to get RISE back up and running. However, the overall objective during R6 was to download the genome database of NAM-V, which alludes to the potential that the Wardens main goal could also be to find a cure for NAM-V.

It is a mystery how these two objectives are related. Maybe the Warden wants to use RISE to create more humans, while also using the genome database to make such humans immune to NAM-V, creating a new generation of immune humans.

[real pewter]

create a human that already have the virus inside

[severe trellis]

did we get any new insights from R1/R2 revisions?

[eternal talon]

Aside from the fact that it is a completely different world-line? Not really afik. Maybe some stuff regarding the detonation but no solid new info that already wasn't heavily theorized upon.

[severe trellis]

so i guess i dont need to snoop around

also r6 log 5R3-8M4-HCX

is that just a hearsay thing that u22 finds? considering some of its lines are in there

[real pewter]

the story will go in a different direction in Alt R3, since most of the audio log is in R3

and then start going in R4

[austere depot]

This is true. Immunity should be achievable.
I find it interesting however that the main motivation of unit 23 appears to be to facilitate communication. It attempts with the sleepers and it attempts with Schaeffer. It goes about it in a machine-like unlearned way, almost as if this is what it was indoctrinated to do.
It makes me think the Genome-database we gathered can serve a two fold purpose.

1. It provides understanding to work towards a cure.
2. That understanding can also be used to analyze how these creatures communicate.

We do not know yet, but RISE could already have been spliced to integrate the virus. The units of RISE, according to description, are capable of growing into anything, whilst the traits of the virus is said to establish entire new genetic trees, not strains, trees in its mutations. If those mutations could be guided to grow according to a design, could that not be the basis for RISE?

Unless that is something the WRDN is doing. RISE appears to be in its trial stages when it was under development by KOVAC.

[cold sphinx]

Does the creatures actually consume or do they just destroy anything on their way?

[heavy lynx]

Guys

1 quick question

Who created the monster in gtfo

Or are they come from diffrent dimenson

Or alternative earth?

[eternal talon]

aliens.

please read the "for dummies" doc in the pins of this channel.

[chrome widget]

goofy terminal behaviour

if you go https://santonianindustries.com and into secret terminal you can do cd ,

and it sends us to 4 logs?????? but they've been documented

so i did some snooping on the site

https://santonianindustries.com/backend/file/,

???????????????????????????????

i wrote a simple python code that compared the logs in here to the logs in each of the archive folders

these logs are the ones that didnt exist here

EBDT_00BE11.LOG
STAR-250789.LOG
EBDT_29FH-011.LOG
MAIL_LF_CD-387.LOG
EBDT_E110-111.LOG
EBDT_5N7V-110.LOG
EBDT_IHYQ456.LOG
EBDT_WG8T66.LOG
EBDT_04AF9.LOG
EBDT_WLVY548.LOG
EBDT_01BE1.LOG
EBDT_02BE1.LOG

im looking through most of these and comparing it to the wiki and it seems like some are not on the wiki???

but some of them are strangely seen on here https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0

i got excited for a second that i might have done something cool but i have a suspicion most of these are existing logs

havent checked tho so anyone who wanna try to have a look, feel free

update, cd , gives me archives from rundown 7

or altrd2 idk

[eternal talon]

It's ran by 10cc. It's updated less frequently than the wiki, though it's always good to check there occasionally because sometimes it has pre-update exclusive logs in the corrupted folder

[past matrix]

its ran by 10cc?

I thought Chase ran it?

[harsh saffron]

Yeah notion isn't run by 10cc. Chase started it and Ray took over ~a year ago

[eternal talon]

I meant the smc website

My brain died.

[lofty warren]

So what does it mean?

[harsh saffron]

Pretty sure those just have different names on the wiki because they either originally were found on the Santonian site but then had a different name in the following rundown or were put there after the rundown was already out (I think thats the case for some R3 logs for example)

[chrome widget]

ah i see

[harsh saffron]

I went through them all and they are all on the wiki.

EBDT_00BE11.LOG Is the combined version of the R2 log pieces so it didn't have a real name initially.

**STAR-250789.LOG **
EBDT_29FH-011.LOG These 3 are in the R3 logs with their normal name.
MAIL_LF_CD-387.LOG

EBDT_E110-111.LOG This is also found with that name but it actually differs slightly in it's contents. For example the og on the wiki has this Attachment: g_schematics.pdf and the Santonian site version has this Attachment: Garganta_schematics.pdf

EBDT_5N7V-110.LOG Same thing here as with the log above.

EBDT_IHYQ456.LOG
EBDT_WG8T66.LOG
**EBDT_04AF9.LOG ** These 5 are all R4 logs and don't have the "EBDT" at the beginning of their name.
EBDT_WLVY548.LOG
EBDT_01BE1.LOG
**EBDT_02BE1.LOG **

[chrome widget]

ah nice

[quartz wren]

are their any logs in R1?

[harsh saffron]

In the Alt version; yes.

[quartz wren]

WEIRD I TRIED TO MAKE SURE AND CHECK ALL THE TERMINALS MUST HAVE MISSED IT...sry about caps lol

specific rundown???

[harsh saffron]

B1 has 2
B2 has 1
C2 has 2
D1 has 3 (and 1/2)

[quartz wren]

thanks guess im going back down the HOLE in R1 LOL

course i could just google it...but what fun is that

[harsh saffron]

indeed, have fun ^^

[quartz wren]

do all terminlas hold the logs or do only certain ones hold an extra log

[harsh saffron]

only certain ones

[quartz wren]

ahh i see...thats probably why i missed them and probably lack of paying attention as well, thanks dude big help

💯

[harsh saffron]

np, gl with the search 👍

[burnt wren]

You just sort of forget to check every terminal and even miss terminals

Its frankly a horrible way to give us lore now that i think about it

[quartz wren]

well theres probbaly zones i never even opened that had terms in it

idk...i kinda like that it just not readily avaliable i guess...and having to heear the same voice line or something over and over again..also the prisoners really dont know more than that they are just prisoners..so finding documents related to the people that were running the facility before day 0 happened (thats what i call it) is kinda cool

[burnt wren]

Just put it on mandatory / unmissable terminals. Prefferably the first one in the level. Find it, read it, consume, go back to playing.

None of that "hidden in the far away corner of an optional area" BS

[quartz wren]

i could agree with that for sure

[burnt wren]

Bonus points for an error alarm

Like you REALLY want me to read lore with a horde of monsters on my ass?

And i swear to god if its a 200 words text file

[quartz wren]

oh i dont think they put logs on reactor terminals that would suck..just make sure room is clear

welp im about ti hit the r1b1. Good talks!

[restive imp]

Fun tho

[restive imp]

Just go to the online terminal thingy

[harsh saffron]

Does somebody have a picture of the Schaeffer list from CX? Wanted to put it on the wiki but I noticed that I only have a pic from the pre patch version.

[eternal talon]

Same, mine is prepatch

[harsh saffron]

Unfortunate

[real pewter]

will datamine picture is good to go?

or forbidden

it's still technically just a png

[harsh saffron]

hm good question

[real pewter]

can i see the pre-patch pic

[harsh saffron]

one sec

[real pewter]

what did it change after patch?

[harsh saffron]

Maddox shouldn't have been crossed out

[burnt wren]

Probably the fact that its Hendrikson, with a D.

Or am I gaslighting myself.

[harsh saffron]

I think in subtitles it's "Henriksson"

[real pewter]

henriksson

[harsh saffron]

Technically we could just wait until ALT r6 comes around but I have the feeling that this list will be different then.

[harsh saffron]

oh nice

thx

[drifting island]

theres also a chance that alt r6 will have a different list 👀

[radiant root]

Almost certainly

[drifting island]

additional characters? 🤞

[plush nest]

this might be a dumb question but if the sleepers are blind, how do they react to our flash lights? or are they not blind and i am just making things up

[eternal talon]

some of the sleepers, like the chargers and kraken, have visible eyes.
though it would seem they react directly from the light toching their skin, rather than it being perceived by their eyes.

in regards to sleepers being blind, i've not heard anything on the topic.

pouncers may be blind given their eye color.

[plush nest]

Ok thank you for the clarification

[burnt wren]

Presumably they are just exceptionally light sensitive in general. So sudden changes in lighting / direct light from flashlight bothers them somehow.
However this does not explain why they do not react to changes in environmental lighting like lights going on and off. Surely they would immediately wake up and go haywhire? Most likely just a little conflict of gameplay and lore.

[eternal talon]

inb4 scouts should flashbang you

[burnt wren]

I mean we can't really find eyes on most of them and they seem to react to flashlights if you as much as touch their limbs with it, no contact with head needed.
We also can crouch right next to one and stare at it and even when going semi-awake it won't react, completely oblivious to our presence. So clearly they interact with environment some other way.

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[burnt wren]

Unfortunately no direct log lore on the phenomena, so we can only speculate. Because of course.

So many question and there's no fucking way they'll answer even half of them in R8... Sigh.

[median snow]

we also see evidence of dead people that were mid transformation into sleepers. they always are covering their eyes, probably because the light hurt them

[median snow]

im guessing it's because maybe they got used to the light flickering so they know their surroundings or just dont worry about it when they realize theres no threats

[plush nest]

You mean the bodies that always give me a heart attack in the dark

[median snow]

yeah lol

[silver sandal]

Flashbangs would be OP in garganta lol

[toxic wagon]

Strikers and shooters still have a face.

Human face. Not as visible though

A old name for Strikers was Split-Heads

So ye

[radiant root]

Damn that shooter kinda

[prisma wing]

@terse aspen @light estuary

new laser grid lore

[eternal talon]

I've seen this one before...

Just hope it doesn't start moving.

[light estuary]

Wouldn't matter, I stood in it and said "now I'm not gonna force you to do it..."

[lean whale]

Is there any reason why there is no signs of people that came before us even though literally every level has a snippet of something a squad before us had said.

[eternal talon]

not specifically, no.

[burnt wren]

Lazy devs who don't do environmental details. That's the reason.

[real pewter]

"lazy dev"

[burnt wren]

Even granted that they proceduraly assemble levels - they can always randomly add a couple corpses there and there, a broken / empty turret that ran out of energy and vuala - we found the previous lads.

[real pewter]

between "didn't add those in" vs lazy

[solemn kraken]

vuala 😭😭 my language was r.aped