gtfo-lore

[deft bay]

i thought it was a living thing

[eternal talon]

yes.

[deft bay]

now it makes sense

[eternal talon]

the only things alive down here are us, schaeffer, henrikkson, and the sleepers.

[burnt wren]

Well and all other HSUs

But they are not technically alive

[eternal talon]

which i count as us

schaef and henrikkson are special

[eternal talon]

ye

[deft bay]

i've played since rundown 5 and got back playing a few 10 hours during rundown 6

seeing the surface was like wtf?

[eternal talon]

we've never seen the surface.

[burnt wren]

That's not even earth, lul

[deft bay]

and then the floaters that inhabit the place

[eternal talon]

this is destination

[deft bay]

what was that desert place

[burnt wren]

Oh boy

[eternal talon]

the homeworld of the hyper advanced alien civilization

3 thousand light years away

[burnt wren]

It's complicated

[eternal talon]

in a different world-line to ours

basically, a different plain of existence

really, just please read the lore for dummies

[burnt wren]

Different planet in a different dimension / timelibe

Yes, this lore is fucked

[deft bay]

im going to hit up youtube on god

[eternal talon]

dont

no videos

[deft bay]

yes there will be

[eternal talon]

not anything up to date and fully accurate.

dont waste your time

the for dummies IS the most up to date lore summary.

maintained by myself.

[deft bay]

full timeline?

[eternal talon]

everything pre-apocalypse.

[deft bay]

like first contact to yeah

[burnt wren]

Maybe R8 will have some important reveals

[deft bay]

alright

[eternal talon]

the stuff after that isnt that complicated because we dont know alot

[burnt wren]

But that's not happening soon.

[eternal talon]

so its easy to go over

[deft bay]

i am a huge fan of the stalker franchise

[eternal talon]

this is more metro

[burnt wren]

Eh

[eternal talon]

with crazy mutants and shit

[deft bay]

the complex, the zone.. whats the difference

[eternal talon]

we are in mexico

[burnt wren]

The zone was alien made in the book or accident in the game

[deft bay]

yes and metro and stalker is russia

[eternal talon]

ah, well fair enough

garganta IS built ontop of a giant allen spacecraft

[burnt wren]

So a mix of both

Fucking with things we don't understand and all that

• we still have a hint at a 4th party overlooking this all

[deft bay]

the surface being overrun by the virus is kindda fucked up though

[eternal talon]

at least it isn't sleepers.

it could be worse

[deft bay]

half life 2 scenario

[burnt wren]

I don't man

[eternal talon]

no, its just all dead.

there isnt a zombie apocalypse or anything like it

its just barren and abandoned for the most part

[burnt wren]

Just lots of coofing

[deft bay]

no info on where the surviving humans went?

surely there has to be an "ark"

[eternal talon]

only the NAM-V got out of garganta. it requires the parasitidae hammerstein to create sleepers.

[eternal talon]

no.

[burnt wren]

Nothing of the sorts as far as we know

[eternal talon]

we have record of a genetic bank, but nothing living

[burnt wren]

World entered panic mode

Everyone paranoid of everyone, shit like that

Just trying to win time

[eternal talon]

every country went into lockdown, all international treaties broke up, total societal collapse

[burnt wren]

And kovac are like 😐

[deft bay]

and the space station crew are doing an "among us" while the world burns to shit no doubt

[burnt wren]

Hey, they probably will last the longest

[eternal talon]

i'd think anyone in orbiting space stations would just starve to death without supplies from earth

[burnt wren]

Until they have food that is

[deft bay]

that or they decided that the earth is fucked and its up to them to survive

the martian kindda proved that mars is habitable at the very least

[burnt wren]

As far as we know there's 0 confirmed survivors

Just nothing

[eternal talon]

yes but to our knowledge nobody has colonized mars.

there was one mission but it ended in disaster in the 2030s

[burnt wren]

Thanks to kovac of course

[deft bay]

the red something

idk

[eternal talon]

red alpha

if i remember correctly

[deft bay]

aight im off to read lore....

[eternal talon]

With next month’s launch of the ESA’s Red Alpha manned mission to Mars, we take a look at the unexpected investors backing the historic flight to our celestial neighbor. Red Alpha is scheduled to take flight on December 13th. yep

[deft bay]

im hoping for flame weapons though

[eternal talon]

if you have any questions at all after reading it feel free to post, we can answer almost anything

[late raven]

Wait so the underground hollow space with the hard surface is a spaceship? Is it stated explicitely somewhere?

[eternal talon]

honestly enough, not explicitly but we do have dozens and dozens of logs of aliens, artifacts, and all kinds of other tech recovered.

specimens aswell.

not to mention the giant cannon that was the detonation in 2053

D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.med_core/GHammersteinB014.flagged
Dr Hammerstein,
The trace analysis on the residue found in the shafts after the October 12th event has be
en completed. It was mostly molten rock and metal, the composition of which confirms the
blasts were high energy focused QGP streams, at a temperature that was only thought to ha
ve occurred during the Big Bang.
According to the BIOCOM navigation data supplied by Mr. Piros, the streams appear to have
been deliberately targeted at areas where security operatives were engaged with the crea
tures during the attack. The QGP streams originated from the Inner but the creatures had
by that point overrun much of Garganta, which is why we see such a wide spread of shafts
across the facility.
Interestingly, none of the shafts created by the QGP streams caused flooding in the facil
ity. The streams stopped short of the seabed, except for several shafts which penetrated
the seabed within the perimeter of the sea walls, so no flooding occurred. This seems unl
ikely to be a coincidence. Unfortunately, one of the streams did hit the helipad outside
hangar 3, which is where Mr Clinton was believed to be. His death would have been instant
aneous.
The results suggest this was a weapon. Whether it was aimed at us or the creatures is not
clear, but it did turn the tide in our favor. Kovac drove the creatures back to the Inne
r shortly after the blasts (or the creatures retreated voluntarily – we only have a singl
e Kovac report to go by and that paints them as the heroes of the October 12th event).
The trace analysis has left us with more questions than answers.

[trim mesa]

Is there any reason behind why the characters don't really chat outside of callouts? I was a little sad by the lack of fun bits of dialogue like shown in one of the trailers

[eternal talon]

because we are slaves.

we have as much freedom the WRDN wants to give us through our neural interface.

[late raven]

I didnt think about it like that. I thought the artifacts where just stuff they could not explain at first and the specimen were dead sleepers from early times.

[eternal talon]

for example, Bishop during the ef01 mission was almost robotic, speaking rarely if at all, and being incredibly stiff in his movements.

[eternal talon]

we have at least one descriptive log of what is most likely an infected allen.

and another that could be the autopsy of one or another creature recovered from the inner.

[trim mesa]

Really? I gotta check that out at some point
Is the mission still available, or was it a previous rundown??

[eternal talon]

it was in r6 however i can link you the audio logs. give me a moment.

[late raven]

Were there alive sleepers in the ship from the start or did workers get infected by the virus and parasites?

[timid lance]

Where is the experimental Italian eatery theory at?

[eternal talon]

both. originally it was just the infected allen crew, but eventually over time, the inner was opened up to the surface through earthquakes and caveins where they infected numbers of the mayans and caused the complete collapse of their civilization.

[past matrix]

experimental french eatery theory >>>> experimental italian eatery

[eternal talon]

we have not seen any infected allens in gameplay, however.

[timid lance]

[eternal talon]

only other infected native life of destination, like the fliers, and the kraken.

[eternal talon]

here is the other one, from the launch of the mission.

we actually visited and explored destination a TON in r6. and you can even visit it in a couple levels of r7.

while kind of dissapointing, the only actual "physical" evidence we have seen of the allens in gameplay outside of text and audio logs are sandstone ruins.

[trim mesa]

Is there any lore explanation as to why we can quite literally blow sleepers into pieces with our raw melee strength? Are we like, super drugged up or something or is that just a funny gameplay feature?

[eternal talon]

the sleepers we fight in gameplay for the most part ARE HUMAN in origin. the parasite when combined with the virus, effectively mutates and modifies living human hosts, turning them into conscious flesh puppets that are immortal (to aging) due to the properties exposed upon the parasite by the virus.

there were sleeper-ified allens waiting and living in the meteor for 65 million years before people started digging into it.

the virus can keep the parasite alive INDEFINATELY.

once a planet has nam-v and the parasite, it is FUCKED. FOREVER.

will never be habitable again.

you'd need to somethin akin to glassing the entire planet to even try to recover it.

and even then, it can live underground and in cave networks just fine as it has always done

destination used to be the homeworld to an inter-glalactic and interdimensional species of hyper advanced aliens, billions of times more advanced than we are. and this is what their homeworld looks like now.

absolutely no trace of them.

[trim mesa]

So is the flesh of the sleepers just very soft because of the mutation? I can't imagine any normal person being capable of blowing off entire upper torsos with a single sledgehammer swing

[eternal talon]

while i cannot say for certainty on that topic, it is important to keep in mind that we are not normal people anymore. as KSOs, we are constantly being pumped with physically enhancing drugs and chemicals from our HSUs, not to mention the effects that boosters have on us.

[trim mesa]

Ahh, so we are in fact super drugged up

[eternal talon]

indeed.

and without it, we would be dead. the side-effects of hydrostasis are extreme.

even being awoken incorrectly and without the correct chemical compounds can cause OUR BRAINS TO LITERALLY MELT IN OUR SKULLS. as is what happened to maddox in r7a1 and why schaeffer had us collect a hydrokenetic fluid collection case for him to use while waking henrikkson.

in his last moments, maddox was in the most extreme agony.

[deft bay]

just got done reading the pre apocalypse lore

[eternal talon]

any questions?

[deft bay]

Biocom and Warden

two anomalies coexisting at the same time fighting for control.

so who's controlling us?

[eternal talon]

biocom was a system that kovac used to run all of their KSOs.

it also ran the hearsay network.

in r1-6, WRDN was puppeting biocom to give us orders and update our objective stacks.

in r7d2, schaeffer and henrikkson hack into a biocom server bank, and are now also able to tap into it.

as we currently stand,

[deft bay]

it's goal deemed to be malicious no? or just outright aggressive and invasive?

[eternal talon]

it is two puppeteers controlling the same set of strings.

[eternal talon]

we do not know where it came from or what its goals are.

it seems to be taking a very keen interest into the abandoned rise project however.

having us create its own modification of them called units

which are invisible to sleepers.

[deft bay]

invisible to sleepers? definitely not going to be well since an AI is designed to be efficient.

might modify the HSUs to inject the KSOs with a virus/parasitic strain

we are infected but asymptomatic or some sort

gladly the infection bar seems to work in game still

lol

[eternal talon]

information we have recently recieved have narroed what the warden is down to one of two possibilities.

1. piros is telling the truth, and the wrdn is an allen construct that has hijacked into human systems.

2)piros is lying, and it is a backdoor program that was created by the heads of kovac to continue their work long after they are all dead.

[deft bay]

who was piros again

[eternal talon]

RISE uses their own set of HSUS, basically it uses the genetic material of humans and gestates infants, that it rapidly grows into adult soldiers. wrdn's research is infusing them with the virus, yes. somehow, someway.

[deft bay]

ok so my suspicions are correct...

[eternal talon]

we are not asymptomatic. every time we return to hydrostasis, we are cleansed and "cured" of it. we just simply catch it over and over again and get cleaned before it kills us.

[eternal talon]

the assistant to the CEO of KOVAC, anders johanson.

[deft bay]

does it plan to use the other 350000 genetic codes under the animalia kingdom that was stored?

some animal traits would be nice like exo-skeletons infused in human skins

if the warden succeeds in it's original plan, what then?

[eternal talon]

the kvitoya vault is on the island of kvitoya, in svalbard. in the arctic.

it is nowhere near garganta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kvitøya

[deft bay]

but the AI can just send its newly created KSOs to kvitoya no?

[eternal talon]

no. WRDN had all of the entrances into and out of garganta sealed.

we are trapped down here behind giant steel blast doors and many layers of security

[burnt wren]

Also I don't think he can support the comms at that range

[deft bay]

damn mans pulling off a GlaDOs

[eternal talon]

**../BIOCOM
audio intercept
meta3.date_stamp(561125.160643)
concern begins/..

//transcript follows...

D017
You're not listening to me I am getting no response at all not a bounce back the message is getting there nothing is coming back so it

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
[Security tier not met. Update credentials for transcript]

D017
Right so is the network down on your end

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
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D017
I tried that I tried everything at my tier blast doors media [inaudible] temperature con

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
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D017
yes temperature control I can't even turn on the fucking lights

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
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D017
How the fuck do I do that when there is no elevator I have no power fuck are you even listening to me I am trapped down

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
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D017
You know as well as I do there is only one thing that can override every system in the place and that’s [biocom] but I can't find any controllers down

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
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D017
So it's not even possible it could go wrong I am the one who is stuck here you fucking asshole oh no

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
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D017
Oh jesus christ no what the hell is that please come and get me please I am begging you

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
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D017
Oh no please you fucking assholes

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
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D017
[inaudible]

RESPONSE COORDINATOR
[Security tier not met. Update credentials for transcript]

D017
[inaudible]

../BIOCOM
personnel files updated
alert system flagged
concern ends/..
**

as shown in ^this log, it ended up getting a LOT of people killed with the lockdown.

[deft bay]

yes i've read about it in the dummies lore

didnt know that this was the transcript

[eternal talon]

it is because of this lockdown thankfully that the parasite never got to the surface, among other things.

[burnt wren]

Not that it helped much...

[eternal talon]

still, better corpses than an army.

[burnt wren]

Eh

[deft bay]

the virus still fucked them up though

[burnt wren]

Going down with a fight instead of a flu is cooler

[eternal talon]

well yes, it has a 100% lethality rate. if you get it, you die.

there is no natural immunity, either.

[deft bay]

virus was of extraterrestrial origin, so our immunity had no idea what or how to deal with it.

[eternal talon]

easier to avoid the flu than sleepers tearing down the walls of your compound, but to each their own

[deft bay]

reminds me of The Thing yknow

[eternal talon]

more than extraterrestrial, extradimensional

[eternal talon]

a lot of things here do.

john carpenter's 1982 was a classic.

[deft bay]

atleast there isnt a mimic sleeper

[burnt wren]

It's not even that. We have evidence to support that it's a bio weapon.

[eternal talon]

not that we know of. their mutations are all extremely severe and none are anywhere near that level of intelligence

[deft bay]

there should be a sleeper that forces players to play hide and seek lol

just for the horror aspect

[burnt wren]

As far as virus skill trees go this thing is a certified level 100 with every stat maxed.

Viruses don't usually do that.

[eternal talon]

closest honestly would be the snatcher, but even that, you can tell is not human.

at least anymore.

[deft bay]

yes i've met these recently

they separate you from the group

and are tanky

[eternal talon]

the parasite also seems to reproduce via eggs, so there are far more than one per host.

each host is like their own mini-colony in the hive.

[deft bay]

when will the Tentacle show up

[eternal talon]

This?

[deft bay]

the gtfo teaser tentacle at the end

[eternal talon]

or this?

[deft bay]

wtf is this

[eternal talon]

because this was scrapped.

[eternal talon]

pre-release trailer for r7.

[deft bay]

snatcher tentacles then

[eternal talon]

yes.

[deft bay]

wouldve been a great addition

[eternal talon]

it was a gif they hosted on their website.

@past matrix thankfully yoinked it before it was removed and made it an mp4.

[dense saffron]

so sad that this is seemingly scrapped, iirc it seemed to be a cave leech like enemy

with static levels, static enemies like this are kinda pointless

they get you once and then you remember where they are

[eternal talon]

well i mean we got the infected bugs still

the wall sacks

[dense saffron]

yeah but those are passive, not really an enemy imo

[eternal talon]

i forget what they were called

[dense saffron]

spitters

[timid lance]

Tentacle trap

[dense saffron]

me beloved

[deft bay]

the cave leech would have been great cuz when u think of it , the last guy at the teaser was attacked by it, almost as if it functions like an active seeker in a room

targets isolated teammates

[timid lance]

That was the intent, I believe

[deft bay]

snatcher already filled that role no

[timid lance]

I think there were plans to punish players that strayed from the group more, but I don't know

It's like left 4 dead how you get a special enemy that will take a player down

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/l4d2-hunter-left4dead2-louis-mod-gif-23718796

[timid lance]

Bruh

[deft bay]

but then again the snatcher only showed up once or twice and in an security alert

also an area denial sleeper

one that just farts out toxic infectious cloud on a corner

[timid lance]

Tank?

[deft bay]

makes players plan a different route

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/left4dead-zombie-tank-mad-gif-17424117

[topaz flare]

the old snatcher

it was scrapped

pouncer and snatchers are not the same sadly

[eternal talon]

the "wtf is this" was a reaction to the gif

[topaz flare]

sad

[eternal talon]

if u click it

[topaz flare]

skill issue on my part

but oh well

not gonna delete it and be a ghost tagger

[timid lance]

Parasites would be my guess

Or something with the current snatcher

[deft bay]

are these all the KSOs in stasis?

that explains the quote from dauda at the beginning of the 2017 teaser

"there are different people everytime"
"but i recognize them somehow"

unless that's been retconned too

[topaz flare]

its prop a refrence to dauda being invovled in experimentation of nam-v virus

and him being a doctor inside the complex

before everything happened

[deft bay]

wasnt he a psychopharmacist?

also who was the narrator during the 2021 trailer

[dense saffron]

bishop iirc

[celest remnant]

yes. as far as I get it, before the "events", while the underground facility was establishing, Kovac company decided to make an army of obedient drugged soldiers (humans who are basically robots which follows orders). so they made 8000 army which sleeps in HSUs and is controlled by biocom AI

[deft bay]

good then multiplayer is justified

we are not limited to playing the 4 main characters

especially when we are all dripped out

so there could be an active squad somewhere in the complex and then the 4 main characters doing something as well

i've noticed during run downs of recent corpses resembling KSOs

and their heads slowly turning into a sleeper

[celest remnant]

for now I have one question. So the virus did manage to outbreak to the rest of the world?

[deft bay]

yes but not the parasite

the parasite is the one responsible for creating sleepers

the virus is just the foundation

the parasite got quarantined by wrden, preventing it out and locking it in.

[celest remnant]

alright. so they just suffer from flue

[deft bay]

100% lethality baby, earth is fucked basically.

[celest remnant]

https://media.tenor.com/pXbzWI7PMY0AAAAM/kermit-oh-oh.gif

[deft bay]

better than being eaten alive

[celest remnant]

so virus is just thing from nowhere and parasite is the thing from meteor, right?

[deft bay]

both could be from the meteor

[celest remnant]

so we don't have the info yet

[deft bay]

the meteor was also a "ship" for beings of extra-dimensional origins.

warped into our reality as a burning rock, crashed down and killed the dinosaurs.

their homeland was speculated to be fucked by the very thing that invaded our earth as well.

they crash landed, not knowing they were also infected.

[celest remnant]

oh

[deft bay]

it wasnt until billions of years til the virus got discovered.

it was the mayans, a few centuries later, then a very unfortunate drilling operation

[celest remnant]

it's where we teleport, right?

[deft bay]

Destination, yeah.

[celest remnant]

so it might be they were trying to get away and make new home

but they didn't know they're also infected

[deft bay]

these aliens are advanced as hell

[celest remnant]

that's reasonable xd

[deft bay]

they got technology that got uncovered known as "artifacts", even a hydraulic drill from year 2050 couldnt destroy it.

[celest remnant]

yeah I remember that

[deft bay]

i think that teleporting device was an artifact

the thing that sent you to their dimension

the virus could also be a bioweapon that backfired

who knows

it happened to Warframe's orokin race(very advanced space people, almost godlike) so yeah...

[celest remnant]

alright

and so we still don't who/what warden is, right?

[deft bay]

we know that it is an invasive AI trying to take over BIOCOM, overriding objective and goals to its benefit.

it's directive remains unknown and so does its origin.

[celest remnant]

oh

would be funny if it's some alien AI which gives us hints about how to solve everything

[deft bay]

theres nothing left to solve, zero confirmed survivors at the surface, and the complex might be the only area that has living things.

[celest remnant]

D:

sounds sad

[drifting island]

post apocolypse ba-bee

[celest remnant]

so technically HSU people are the only ones left alive

[deft bay]

yes and they're not even humans

just roid monkeys 24/7 on chem boosters

their bodies modified to handle those

[celest remnant]

well yeah

[deft bay]

and their will can be easily stripped away by the biochip inside their brains

[celest remnant]

but at least they're not sleepers

[celest remnant]

eh?

we have bombs inside of us?

[deft bay]

no not bombs, biochips

the one where elon musk plans to make a reality one day.

microchips inside our brains

[celest remnant]

oh, get it

so basically we do warden tasks for unknown reasons

even maybe just for fun

[deft bay]

yes, i think also the biochip translates data from BIOCOM through an algorithm of mission experiences

even a newly awaken KSO would know how to operate the tools (c foam) and it's purpose, without prior knowledge, debriefing or an idea.

they know how to seal doors with it as such

there are two puppeteers inside you

[celest remnant]

so basically hivemind

[deft bay]

BIOCOM and WARDEN

these two basically are fighting over control

(i think this is why we have mental evaluation at the end of a mission)

[celest remnant]

isn't warden just use biocom to give us tasks through it?

didn't know they're at AI war

[deft bay]

warden overrides biocom from time to time

though there are two people other than the main characters that got to the BIOCOM room

finally got their hands on it and we'll just see what they can do

maybe rundown 8 will see how it progresses

so now theres 3 things inside your head

[celest remnant]

alright. thanks for the explanations :o

[eternal talon]

yes. this is KDS deep, the main organizational hub for kovac in garganta.

[eternal talon]

technically not retconned, but it gets into more recent rundown stuff with us jumping to another alternate world-line to do r1 and r2 again. things are different here compared to our own original world.

[eternal talon]

i believe so, yes.

a "Psychopharmacologist" recruited by Dreyfus for their team insight.

[eternal talon]

sounds like it, yep.

[eternal talon]

8000 in garganta scattered about, KDS deep alone has 24,000, for a total of 32,000 KSOs at maximum capacity.

[eternal talon]

cosmetics aren't canon.. i mean, c'mon. look at the prosthetic leg and arms. we always play as the main 4.... except in the eval, oddly enough. its a Tau, but the only tau on our team is dauda, and he's black.

[eternal talon]

there are. in levels like r6c3 we have severed as a DIRECT diversion and distraction for other teams while the WRDN has them do stuffs.

we are not the only active squad working for the warden down here. even schaeffer was a part of a squad, before he broke free.

he was the last survivor, and the wrdn presumed him dead.

[eternal talon]

could also be pre-apocalypse, for devils advocate.

[eternal talon]

yes.

world go bye bye.

return to caveman.

[eternal talon]

100%.

[eternal talon]

👍

[eternal talon]

both are from the meteor, yes. they are a symbiotic pair.

[eternal talon]

you getting ahold of the lore incredibly fast. from 0 to 100% understanding. you should speedrun stats in skyrim

[eternal talon]

the Matter Wave Projector, artifact #7 of the hammerstein collection, yes. that is what team insight and us use to teleport to destination.

insight's teleporters are most likely reverse engineered allen tech.

[eternal talon]

true, though we don't know if the allens had their own sentients or what the purpose of it was if they did create it and not find it themselves. we have 0 alien history.

[eternal talon]

that is one of the possibilities, though i doubt it'd care to help us. earth is already fucked, and so is its own race. you'd think it'd favor its masters instead of some other nearby race that also got effected.

[eternal talon]

zero confirmed, but like roaches, its basically impossible to fully wipe the surface clean.

[eternal talon]

ooga booga

[eternal talon]

not bombs. the neural interface. if you have played r7c1, it is the thing that schaeffer works to remove from henrikkson's neck. his quote un quote, "slave collar"

[eternal talon]

yeah... did i mention that one in the LFD? i don't remember.

[eternal talon]

👍

technically three now with schaeffer also in there.

biocom getting gangbanged.

[celest remnant]

@eternal talon thanks :O

[celest remnant]

wait so basically r1 and r2 are now open because we travel to different universe?

so gtfo multiverse is real?

[eternal talon]

It has been since r6 with the concept of quantum frequency.

Destination is not in our universe.

Well, a version of it is, but not the version we go to is.

And in r6d4 we go to 3 alternate versions of earth in the same level

We don't know how we got to alt//r1's worldline, but we are here.

As evident from the fact that there are now TWO BISHOPS

@rocky wraith can explain the 48 page log with different worldlines we got.

It goes way over my head, and I'm fine sticking to basic and pre-apocalypse lore, not all this multiverse jazz.

[celest remnant]

and gameplay wise it's just an opportunity to get cosmetics from previous rubdowns if you skipped them

[eternal talon]

No.

The rundowns themselves are slightly different too.

[celest remnant]

so new cosmetics

[eternal talon]

Even some of the tiles, the rooms, are different, there are new logs,

New encounters like r1c1 now has hybrids,

It's different.

[celest remnant]

alright I see

sounds cool tbh

[eternal talon]

The gameplay itself is different, even ignoring stuff like the new melee and stamina systems we have now that didn't exist then.

[celest remnant]

ah I see it's even called ALT rundown 2.0

and so we may have alts for r3-r6

[eternal talon]

We will.

All rundowns are coming back.

Content isn't being deleted anymore

R8 will likely be the last rundown.

10cc have moved development to work on a new heist game.

[celest remnant]

oh :(

[eternal talon]

It was announced at gamescom

[celest remnant]

wish I've started playing it earlier

[eternal talon]

At least you have solid lore. We only really started getting the mountains we have today in r6.

Though sadly it will be almost impossible to answer every single question we have by the time rundown 8 comes.

[celest remnant]

well true, but I like this game so much I want to play it for the next few years xD

[eternal talon]

Many questions are likely to be left unanswered

[eternal talon]

10cc are sloooooooooooow. A rundown every 5-6 months. You'll get 5. Like it or not.

[celest remnant]

[eternal talon]

(That's not a good thing). Rundowns are like an average of 13 levels long. A week of content every half-year.

[celest remnant]

it's fiiine

[final sentinel]

the alt rundowns have been coming out faster and also I’m still confused why everyone thinks R8 will be the last rundown

[eternal talon]

Because it is literally the very last thing they've had on their roadmap and have made zero comments about continued development past that in the many months since gamescom

[final sentinel]

Why would that mean it’s the last rundown? It was just the last time they updated it, which was like 6 months ago?

[eternal talon]

after announcing development on a new game.

for an indie studio?

[final sentinel]

Yeah, and they explicitly stated that they would continue to work on GTFO alongside the new game

I just don’t see them fully releasing GTFO and ending it 3 rundowns later, that’s all

[eternal talon]

if they release more rundowns after 8? great. but they've made no comment and have even removed rundown 8 from the roadmap.

don't set yourself up for disappointment if it doesnt come true.

[final sentinel]

Was R8 ever on the roadmap? I think it was just the minimap Calle gave us in April before 6.5 came out

[eternal talon]

im sure someone has a picture. i had seen it before. i can hunt it down.

[final sentinel]

And we literally had 0 notice about R2 coming out, it just kinda dropped

[eternal talon]

we had logs on notion.

a couple weeks before launch they post corrupted logs

that unlock leading to the buildup

[final sentinel]

Oh right, mb

[solemn kraken]

it was, it was even planned for 2022. 🙂

[final sentinel]

Huh, mb

[rocky wraith]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa no i can't lol

[eternal talon]

Shhhh, just say sure so we don't got to talk about it

Lel

[rocky wraith]

Pretty sure R10 was on the roadmap

As the last rundown

[solemn kraken]

nah there was a RX.X but that was just placeholder

[rocky quiver]

And also Rundown 8 was in the 2022 category

and in the end the developers have once again violated their "plans"

[celest remnant]

let's all prey for r9-10

sorry for bringing this theme in lore section tho

[deft bay]

what can i say... i consume useless information that does not benefit me irl whatsoever faster.

[sly oriole]

is the lore on the wiki up to date?

[harsh saffron]

On the actual "Lore" page? Not really. Was last updated in May this year.

[austere depot]

Did someone mention the 48 page lore page that I turned into an excel-spreadsheet to cross-examine the data? @u@

to explain it, well it does not do much except to perhaps confirm a few things.
Alterations may exist as 'membranes' next to one another.
We have variations of each individual character connected to membrane ID's.
There are as @eternal talon points out, two Bishops. Not at the same time however, but we may have exchanged one Bishop with that of a Bishop from a different membrane after the Red Alpha expedition.
Other than that, I have not found much relevant to the immediate lore. This after multiple attempts to hunt down the 'first' and 'alternate' membranes.

I think however, that it is perhaps irrelevant. Each new mission we play could potentially be a new membrane.

So if you die or do something really embarrassing on an expedition, that is a 'membrane' where the cause of events caused the prisoners to fail.
If you succeed, it is a 'membrane' where the cause of events caused the prisoners to succeed.

So the prisoners literally die in each respective membrane with every failed mission. There are no do overs. You are simply given a new membrane to play out the events differently by.

I have failed plenty, so I have multiple Woods', Daudas, Hackets and Bishops on my conscience 💀

Potentially, as this is what it implies 🥲

[dense bluff]

help me pass r2a1 looking for players

[floral temple]

Use Matchmaking channels for matchmaking

[dense bluff]

I need Russian partners

[eternal talon]

then use #lfg-eastern-europe

[celest remnant]

I didn't get all the story with Schaeffer

[eternal talon]

so,

[celest remnant]

so he's just the guy who broke out of mind control

[eternal talon]

originally he was hired by santonian as a lv3 pit boss.

[celest remnant]

and now against warden

[celest remnant]

yeap

[eternal talon]

he worked for santonian for many years, and made a few friends like artus.

he was even around during the blast of 2053.

eventually, he was almost certainly the last man alive in the complex.

traveling around in the duct systems and whatnot

well, he notices what he thinks is biocom, recalling all active KSOs back down to KDS deep

and he follows

at this time, KDS deep is infested with the sleepers.

so he goes in there... and he locks all the doors behind him

well bad news, he can't get them open again.

so now he is stuck in this room

well, after about a week, he caves in and doesn't want to starve to death

he knows after hyrostasis he wont be himself anymore, but he does it anyway.

he hops in a pod, and closes the lid.

here is where things get fucky.

schaeffer got into hydrostasis sometime before r1.

yet we find him working for the WRDN in a squad in r4.

in r5, the WRDN tasks us with lifting the lockdowns schaeffer caused and giving it access to KDS deep to use the 24,000 KSOs inside.

so question, how did wrdn have schaeffer before he had access to kds deep?

we don't know, and the schaeffer discrepancy here is currently our biggest unexplained plothole.

in regards to his squad, they all got wiped out one by one, and their signals flatlined.

the wrdn assumed them dead, and pulled out the freight lift prematurely

but schaef wasn't dead.

so he was left alone. down in the darkness. surrounded by sleepers

for god knows how long

ever since then, he's been moving around in ducts and vents as he has before trying to hinder the progress of whatever the wrdn is doing in any way he can,

and to free his fellow KSOs.

i actually have 3 audio logs here, from before he was KSO-ified, and includes his last moments as a normal man. give me a moment and i will post

[celest remnant]

alright

poor guy tho :(

[celest remnant]

but smh he did manage to break out of warden control, right?

[eternal talon]

yes. and we don't know how.

there would be nobody to tear out his, as he calls it, "slave collar", his neural interface, he must have found out about it somehow while he was alone and done it himself

there ya go

😉

[celest remnant]

the most atmospheric audiolog I've ever heard

[eternal talon]

i'm always here if you need anything

[celest remnant]

thanks :o

[shy talon]

That was fun to read

I need more of this

[eternal talon]

what was

[shy talon]

All of this

[eternal talon]

if you want a lore summary, there is the LFD in the pins

[shy talon]

Oo

Sick

[eternal talon]

its a total summary of all pre-apocalypse lore

[shy talon]

Perfectt

Thanks!

[jaunty widget]

@eternal talon Depending on how long it's been since Schaeffer got left behind wouldn't there also be an issue about why he isn't a sleepy boi yet? If the prisoners get cured by going into hydrostasis and Schaeffer isn't doing that regularly what's stopping him?

[floral temple]

Maybe he has a really good mask and he does as much as he can to stay away from infection sources? There are disinfect packs and stations all throughout the GC as well, he probably uses those.

[eternal talon]

yes. he should have died to nam-v at least a year ago.

[floral temple]

Question, what the hell is up with the baby?

Why?

[eternal talon]

the WHO on the surface said there was no naturally occuring immunity, so it's a mystery.

[eternal talon]

two answers.

original they were a part of RISE

a kovac program that takes human 'seed' and artificially matures it at extremely fast rates to create an army to suppliment/stock LEGION.

[jaunty widget]

Wait, are disinfection packs for disinfecting NAM-V? Wouldn't that imply it can cure/stave off NAM-V meaning why is everything so messed up on the outside if they discovered it? I thought infection was something else that messed you up.

[eternal talon]

key problem with it was that these subjects still had the mental capacity of children

and that was never fixed by the time the entire facility went under.

[floral temple]

I FUCKING KNEW IT

[eternal talon]

WRDN took what was left of RISE and is using it and splicing it with the genetic material found in the virus to creatue his units, which are completely invisible to the sleepers.

[eternal talon]

given the only ""cure"" in lore for nam-v is hydrostasis, my best bet is that its just a temporary measure.

all civilization on the surface is gone.

[floral temple]

Wait, so is Specimen 22 a former Neonate?

[eternal talon]

yes.

fun fact, as @rocky wraith can provide a picture, the neonate you process in r7d1 grows to an adult state in SECONDS.

[floral temple]

I already know that, witnessed it myself with the PDW

Why does the Warden need the specimens? I’m trying to figure out it’s endgame

[eternal talon]

the units it is creating are spliced with the genetic material and research gathered from NAM-V. they are completely undetectable to all sleepers aside from scouts

which uppon being triggered, will summon the waves of sleepers, but the sleepers wont know what triggered it so they will just wander about.

[jaunty widget]

Right but afaik if that is how Schaeffer is staving it off does that line up with the dates given in game? e.g. NAM-V sort of makes you go a bit crazy. and while Schaeffer isn't exactly super stable but he's not throwing himself into drills crazy. There's a lot of it in the complex which implies it was known about for some time and was mass produced. How long from discovering NAM-V to civilization collapsing (likely resulting in Disinfectant being impossible to produce en masse) was there?

[eternal talon]

he isn't using hydrostasis to our knowlege. he should be dead but he isn't.

[floral temple]

Okay, great. Warden has an army of undetectable units. Now what?

[celest remnant]

kill all the sleepers

[eternal talon]

from them discovering it to say, NATO breaking up, i'd say somewhere in the range of 5 years.

[eternal talon]

we don't know. worst case, they replace us and we go in the hole.

[jaunty widget]

So probably enough time to make the disinfectant and still collapse. Makes sense then. Thanks!

[floral temple]

Huh

[celest remnant]

also if everyone died at the surface maybe there is no virus left and technically you can use legion to repopulate earth, right?

[jaunty widget]

That's assuming animals can't be unaffected carriers of the disease. Which unless someone with knowledge wants to confirm I don't think is ever said but would be an "easy" reason as to why it's not possible.

[eternal talon]

its complicated.

1. we are all trapped down here since the WRDN sealed the blast doors.
2. we are trapped down here WITH the parasite. if the parasite reaches the surface, earth is donezo forever
3. we do not know the effect of the mountains of drugs we are on in terms of reproductiveness

when combined, the virus makes the parasite literally immortal

[celest remnant]

sad

[jaunty widget]

Are there even any female KSOs confirmed?

I'm sure we're all male in game because easier to model and maybe lack of voice actors

[eternal talon]

no. but seemingly anyone can enter hydrostasis at will, as is the case with schaeffer and dauda. there is no pre-prep.

[drifting island]

wait, how can you witness it??

[celest remnant]

so technically Schaeffer's "think for yourself" ideology about breaking free from warden and getting out of the complex is pointless... kinda

[eternal talon]

yes.

if he is successful, he will just doom the surface.

[jaunty widget]

I mean, assuming you can control hydrostasis and not get KSO'd you'd be able to live a semi normalish life

[celest remnant]

poor guy x2 :(

[eternal talon]

unknowingly.

[jaunty widget]

Granted it'd be in a hellhole full of angry sleeping monsters but

[celest remnant]

well technically yes, you can make a life in complex and just have a regular sleep in hsu

but idk

weird stuff

[eternal talon]

no. it seems to be automatically done by the machine if you aren't already. dauda and schaeffer entered when everyone else was already dead

yet they ended up the same as hackett, woods, and bishop

[celest remnant]

imagine having 20k people with Alzheimer trying to live normally in complex xd

[jaunty widget]

Couldn't the WRDN be doing it though?

[eternal talon]

in the case of dauda? maybe. in the case of schaeffer? no.

wrdn didn't have access to KDS deep until r5e1.

[jaunty widget]

Considering there's an implant (and I'm sure a nice drug cocktail) it would seem you might be able to modify the units to just not do that but still get a good nap in.

Probably out of the realm of the prisoner's capabilities tech wise though

[eternal talon]

yes... it would seem so.

schaeffer had to take henrikkson to a specific machine to have the neural implants removed.

[jaunty widget]

Right, I wasn't trying to say it was possible in universe, just saying if you were able to it'd be possible to do.

[eternal talon]

we dont know.

but probably. its a machine. machines can be broken.

[celest remnant]

also why exactly our 4 chars are the main ones? I remember I saw something that warden is just more interested in "us" than in other KSOs

[eternal talon]

we are the perfect squad.

something KOVAC strived for, and something both the WRDN and Schaeffer realized.

[jaunty widget]

Any particular reason we're perfect or is it just because (due to how games work) we "always" succeed?

[eternal talon]

none that i can think of off the top of my head. just we make the most effective combo.

we survive every mission PE first try canonically

[celest remnant]

I mean

[jaunty widget]

It's because Dauda doesn't waste time saying thank you isn't it?

[celest remnant]

in training section, we had message about rating us

maybe "we" have good grades or something

[jaunty widget]

tbh I never did the training. I just assumed it was some nonsense. Is it actually worth doing?

[celest remnant]

nah just basic mechanics explanation

just solo, small location, say hello to sleepers and terminal and then you're going to deep pool of not understand a thing in this game xd

[eternal talon]

training isnt one of us

its a Tau generation,

[celest remnant]

oh :o

[eternal talon]

but the only tau in our squad is dauda

and he's black

[celest remnant]

Wait we have taus?

like in WH 40k?

[eternal talon]

we play as a white guy in the eval

[eternal talon]

no. its one of the types of KSO

the designation

[celest remnant]

I didn't get it Sorry imma dumb :D

it's like same KSOs but more "braindead" or something?

[eternal talon]

i'm not quite sure what you mean

[eternal talon]

closest thing to 40k here is the allens = necrons

[celest remnant]

I just didn't understand the meaning of "Tau" generation

oh so basically have some robo parts

[eternal talon]

no, its a designation

like what they'd be good for

gimme a bit and i can find the data

playing deep rock

[celest remnant]

it's fine take your time

[celest remnant]

he have robo hand, isn't he?

[eternal talon]

dauda? no.

Genesis: "often establish themselves as leaders within a few minutes, as is to be expected with the increased 5-HT receptors".

Faulty: "These HSUs are all F/Infected classification so I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world if we lost the meat, but the freezers may come in handy someday - or at least we may end up needing them as Deep backups or organ donations etc.".

Tau: ?

Sigma: "Behavioral Anomalies", recommend using Tau instead. Knowing things they shouldn't (c-foam).

https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=255b2fca66ab443790dc2d010a41ac28&pm=s
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=431cd1850c2d4c6f8e067feaee6da3bd&pm=s
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=e93265cbe33f450a85cb5f83fca2d62f&pm=s
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=393c204fd8cd41508822f660f85f03b1&pm=s

G - genesis
T - Tau
F - Infected (fucked)
O - sigma

• @rocky wraith

[rocky wraith]

wha

[eternal talon]

its a quote

[rocky wraith]

me @'d mlem mlem

[celest remnant]

I thought it's "get the fuck out"

xD

[drifting island]

close, very close

[jaunty widget]

Wait, is there somewhere in lore that says GTFO = gensis, Tau, Infected, and Sigma or are we just assuming that because lowercase sigma kinda looks like an o?

[eternal talon]

the logs are posted above

i just pulled that entire chunk of text from an old post of mine

[jaunty widget]

Right but none of those said that's what GTFO meant as far as I can tell. I'm not saying that's wrong, it's just Omicron would have been a much better candidate for O then sigma

[eternal talon]

no we do not have 100% certainty i believe.

a couple of the generations we also know nothing about

@rocky wraith didn't the 48 page log recently have a ton of Gs, Ts, Fs, and Os, and basically none else?

[jaunty widget]

It is possible that the Devs meant it to be get the fuck out and then added that in as a sort of lore easter egg though. Or maybe they planned it all along. It would be pretty cool if our squad actualls was one of each and that's why it's perfect. Something about the WRDN not trying out F operatives or not having access to a lot of them because they assumed they were worthless

[eternal talon]

i gotta find the link to that

someone in here compiled it into a mountain of a spreadsheet

[rocky wraith]

yes

O is sigma

ZERO doubt

It is confirmed

[jaunty widget]

You guys know more than me so I'll take your word for it. It just seems like an odd choice

[rocky wraith]

Trust in the lore goblins

[rocky wraith]

F- is not infected, it's Faulty as labelled in one of the logs

But even then is labelled unofficially as fucked by one of the researchers

[eternal talon]

that was a quote of yours in the past..

i didnt say that

[rocky wraith]

huh

Past me was an idiot

[eternal talon]

^

[rocky wraith]

:(

[jaunty widget]

If either of you do find the sheet though I'd appreciate looking at it. Don't put too much effort into it though as it sounds like it'll just be me going "yup they were totally right" lmao

[eternal talon]

@jaunty widget

[jaunty widget]

Thanks! Weird they'd use GO for genesis operative if that was the intent but yeah, looks like taking the first letter of the IDs results in GTFO. It also looks like there are at least some female sounding first names in there so that likely confirms there are female KSOs

[eternal talon]

keep in mind not everyone on this list are KSOs

this is also an employee manifest

[jaunty widget]

Oh, okay. Poor Woods though, he's the fucked one 😦

Wait there are female names in the HSUs assuming column F means they are in one and not just have on assigned to them. Assuming what you said about the HSUs auto implanting you then it would still confirm there are some.

[celest remnant]

well we need to get DNA form one of HSUs in R1A1. and employees name was "Kristina" or something

[celest remnant]

so yeah there are some women in HSUs

[eternal talon]

afik employee names are random

[celest remnant]

._.

[eternal talon]

as are basically all IDS in level

[celest remnant]

I mean I understand with ID cards

but shouldn't it be the exact info about who is in HSU

[eternal talon]

nope

[celest remnant]

because it's kinda important

[eternal talon]

some aren't listed at all, like HSU_666 in r7b3

and that one IS always 666.

[celest remnant]

warden is typing ☠️

[past matrix]

the only thing thats important is what level of clearance they have

so for example r1a1's name isnt important, but what is important, is that they're an Administrator

[celest remnant]

ooooh

but still I guess there is a possibility of a woman sleeping in HSU, right?

[jaunty widget]

Right but, if they intended no women in HSUs wouldn't they have set it to not use random female sounding names?

[past matrix]

i mean yeah

[celest remnant]

I understand if all people in Legion program would be men

because well soldiers

but what about civilian HSUs

for researchers

[eternal talon]

afik those dont exist.

they are just people breaking orders

[celest remnant]

or the HSUs we find through stages

[eternal talon]

like dauda and schaef

[past matrix]

we know of women employees in santonian and we also know that it was relatively simple to just hop into an HSU

idk whose saying there weren't any women KSO's or anything like that lol

[celest remnant]

alright so anyway technically that's possible

[eternal talon]

a lot of the staff wouldn't, hell schaeffer says it is well known what HSU does to people

[celest remnant]

but people are still people

[jaunty widget]

There was a discussion earlier about it being feasible (though unlikely) to repopulate earth and I think someone random said we didn't have proof of women KSOs

[eternal talon]

yes, points at schaeffer

[jaunty widget]

Too lazy to look back though

[celest remnant]

ahahahahah

yeah, right xD

[eternal talon]

also points at dauda

[celest remnant]

xd

[eternal talon]

dauda was just a random scientist working for insight

he wasn't a kso

[jaunty widget]

I wouldn't call him random considering AFAIK he was hired because he specifically was a bastard.

[eternal talon]

He also was instrumental in the HUMAN EXPERIMENTATION with nam-v

[eternal talon]

Not really. His personal background says he wasn't aware of the depravity of those he worked for until it was too late

[celest remnant]

so dauda is infected? :o

[jaunty widget]

I thought interpol was after him before he got brought to the complex? Or was that someone else?

[eternal talon]

I mean.. sleepers were literally beating down the door to the room he was locked in

[eternal talon]

Sounds about right

[celest remnant]

poor guy

[eternal talon]

gimme a sec

[jaunty widget]

Right so it seemed like to me he was a bastard who they brought in because he had dubious morals.

Which would make sense. I feel like you can't get just any scientist to do human research with an unknown disease.

[eternal talon]

"dauda's final words"

you can hear sleepers ripping and tearing shit apart in the background

"dreyfus industries, my dying shame"

he clearly regrets it

[jaunty widget]

Yeah but it's possible to be a bastard with dubious morals that has interpol on them and still regret making what appear to be nightmare monsters.

[eternal talon]

have a listen to the audio log. truly incredible storytelling

[jaunty widget]

Can I get a transcript from somewhere? I think discord is killing the quality.

[eternal talon]

no, that IS the quality.

[jaunty widget]

F

[eternal talon]

**Checksum verified. Any potential quality loss attributed to data decay.
"cut in static sound"
Dauda
This is doctor Abeo Dauda. I am making this recording because I am not going to survive this- this final punishment for our [statics]... for my actions.

The [unintelligible] are taking over, our soldiers are unable to contain them. They're destroying Garganta, killing everyone. There's nowhere for me to run! There are no more helicopters, and even if we could leave, we all carry the virus now. We die by our own hand.

I am putting myself in hydrostasis. [HSU opening] The creatures are not able to break the pods, but I will have no way to open it once I am in. So these are my final words: I am- I am sorry for what I have done, for what I have become. It was for science, I thought, but no... I put progress ahead of ethics; I see that now. But I wanted us to learn, to understand, I did not know the price it would-

[DOOR BREAKING, FOLLOWED BY AN ALARM GOING OFF]

Dreyfus Industries: it is my dying shame that I worked for the devil. A fitting end to this life without morals is for me to forget everything I have learned, everything I know, and by mercy, everything I have done.

[DOOR BREAKING, CREATURES DESTROYING NEARBY DOOR]

They come! I do not have the courage to face these demons!
In my final hour, Doctor Dauda is revealed as a COWARD! He dies in his sleep, and not by the hand of the evil he brought upon the world!
May all gods forgive me! [HSU closing]

[DOOR BREAKING, CREATURES ATTACKING, RECORDING IS CUT OFF]**

[jaunty widget]

This audio log combined with the fact he was being pursued by authorities before being brought to Garganta implies to me he was doing dubious stuff before in the name of progress but not "doom the world to NAM-V" evil. He was still a bastard but not "essentially end all human life as we know it" level.

[eternal talon]

oh believe me, he did human experimentation with the virus for years.

he was a terrible human being working under dreyfus

before that, he just worked for a medical clinic.

(doctors without borders)

in north africa

[jaunty widget]

That's what I meant. Him being chased by authorities implied he was doing messed up stuff before hence why I said he was hired because he was a bastard.

[eternal talon]

hold on

there is a log talking about them going to find him

let me go get it for you

**D-Lock Block Cipher

Sender: Rutger Werner
Receiver: Dean Lockwood
Date: March 2nd 2050
Subject: The asset has been located

Mr. Lockwood,

The asset you requested has been located. We tracked him down in Chad
working for, of all places, Médecins Sans Frontières - under an
assumed name of course. I guess he thinks it’s his penance or
something...

Either way, we have him now. I have offered him a role at Insight and
he has accepted. I have attached his file so you know what we have on
him should you need it. I doubt if he’ll put up too much resistance to
be honest. He understands he either works for us, or we’ll expose him.
Interpol still has an active case number on him for the Cornerstone
Trials, so he’ll be happy we disappeared him once he’s settled in to
the work Also, despite all his protestations, he did ask a lot about
Insight - so yeah, methinks the doctor doth protest too much. He’s in.

Let me know if you need anything else,
Rutger

ATTACHMENT: Dr_AbeoD_pers_file.pdf [file not found]**

(dean lockwood is the director of team insight), (rutger werner works in insight under "acquisitions")

[jaunty widget]

Ah so it is possible he regretted what he did. It also might be that DWB in Africa was far away enough from people who might recognize him or something and he didn't care but was just on the run.

Although they likely wouldn't include the penance bit for no reason

[eternal talon]

he was born in southern Africa afik. nvm, he was born in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria

he went to the other side of the continent.

[jaunty widget]

I guess it depends on where the Cornerstone Trials took place really. Either way seems like he's a reformed bastard at best.

[celest remnant]

poor guys :(

Imagine finding meteor/space ship and kill all the humanity by accident

[eternal talon]

this is why we have stuff like gardens tiles 1,000 meters underground btw

intro to r7d2 audio log

[celest remnant]

so just theoretically. people from HSUs can live normally and even have agriculture. I mean "normally". they'll regular HSU to prevent virus spread

but it's some sort of possible

[jaunty widget]

For some reason "Schaeffer Gonna Cut The Brakes" sounds like a hip hop song title to me

[celest remnant]

xD

[eternal talon]

send us kereening down into the darkness down to the network hub

for some reason, schaeffer saying "brakes" at the end of that log is the most terrifying shit ever

[jaunty widget]

I know, it's relatively easy to follow the story that Schaeffer yells at you. Excited to see what it means for R8

[eternal talon]

no. EVERY stay in HSU erases memories. its simply the longer you stay, the more you will lose. up to two years for a full wipe.

eventually they'd lose everything anyway.

[celest remnant]

yeah yeah I remember that

but

theoretically

the can use audio logs

so they can remember everything they done after wake up

[eternal talon]

r7e1. the final log in the story thus far

[celest remnant]

Alzheimer underground society

[jaunty widget]

I wonder if you could repurpose the Legion implant thing to work as a sort of backup memory bank of some kind? I know the C-Foam launcher "behavior" of sealing up doors being transferred implied some sort of capacity for transferring learned behaviors so I wonder if you could do the same but with memories

[eternal talon]

that'd drive people to madness

[celest remnant]

:(

[eternal talon]

so, we aren't certain on that anymore

[celest remnant]

I want to believe that ending gonna be somewhat happy

[eternal talon]

because of new information, that seems to be memories from different world-lines bleeding over

[celest remnant]

let me dream a bit

[eternal talon]

not to do with biocom

[eternal talon]

it won't. earth is fucked, through and through.

has been for decades

[celest remnant]

:(

[jaunty widget]

I remember seeing some stuff about that in here and also reading somewhat about it in the logs. Something about wavelengths and alternate realities and possibly the before mission text could be the different membranes (I think they were called) bleeding over and those being failed missions or something?

[eternal talon]

you can dream in hydrostasis until the power runs out and you starve/die of dehydration locked in your pod.

[celest remnant]

T^T

[eternal talon]

technically... yes, though we had always been under the assumption that pre-mission text was previous squads the warden had sent before us that died.

who the fuck knows now.

[jaunty widget]

That's what I thought as well, just saying I know I saw that as a suggestion for it's source in this channel

Imagine being the team who failed at R7A1 though 🤡

[eternal talon]

r6a1

y'know,

[jaunty widget]

I for some reason don't remember that one, I'm assuming it was fairly easy though?

[eternal talon]

the community manager said a couple days ago that something like 30% of players fail the eval.

[jaunty widget]

that's fair considering the mechanics aren't exactly explained thoroughly. I more meant in universe being the team of badass KSOs who go and die to a Class 2 alarm. I never meant to make fun of newbies

[rocky wraith]

you can't dream or starve in HSU

[eternal talon]

here is some thistle on destination

[eternal talon]

(if it runs out of power damn well you will)

[jaunty widget]

IF the power is out I'd imagine the stasis part goes out as well

[rocky wraith]

true

[jaunty widget]

and those lids don't look easy to open manually lol

[rocky wraith]

But you never mentioned it being out of power

[eternal talon]

bruh

did you read what you quoted

** until the power runs out and you starve/die of dehydration locked in your pod.**

[rocky wraith]

I read what I quoted

[eternal talon]

no you didnt

[rocky wraith]

I did

[eternal talon]

its one sentence

[rocky wraith]

And you can't dream

cause you're already dead

[eternal talon]

and we talking about dying anyway

[rocky wraith]

HSU literally kills you every time

its bionecromancy

[eternal talon]

idk about that. we dont have any specifics on how it works afik

only very rough explanations

[rocky wraith]

We do. It's mentioned a few times in logs

[jaunty widget]

It stops your biological functions yeah? That would mean you're dead in laymans terms at least to me

[rocky wraith]

Yeah, it's essentially frozen corpses.

That's why it kills the Virus

[eternal talon]

it cant be frozen

thats a biological fact

[rocky wraith]

I'm paraphrasing

[eternal talon]

#cookinghampsters

freezerburn.

[rocky wraith]

#FarewellToTheOGs

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tdiKTSdE9Y

[rocky wraith]

Yeah, had to learn this as part of my course.

[eternal talon]

tldr: human too beeg

[rocky wraith]

The alternative was to press burning hot spoons against the tummies of the hampsters which would burn them and be really painful

[eternal talon]

yes, to anyone reading this, we are talking about microwaving hamsters and it's relevance to GTFO lore and Hydrostasis. I know it looks ridiculous, but thats how it is sometimes.

[deft bay]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_005_Logs#85NP1.LOG

[deft bay]

you might want to read 85NP1.LOG

hydrostasis does essentially "kill" you, only that the body does not suffer from decay and deterioration.

do you know why babies cry when they are born?

hydrostasis replicates that biological function, with synthetic amniotic fluids(pregnancy liquid)

"The mother's placenta helps the baby "breathe" while it is growing in the womb." (this we can say that the placenta is the HSU's thingies that dispense chemicals into the liquid)

"Oxygen and carbon dioxide flow through the blood in the placenta. Most of it goes to the heart and flows through the baby's body. At birth, the baby's lungs are filled with fluid." Hence at the beginning of every mission, explains the heavy breathing / gasping.

you see and feel nothing, and then boom, awake and sent into a hellhole. it is kindda scary when you think about it.

i think it was also explained that most organisms (more likely foreign) do not survive in suspended animation. which the only cure for the NAM-V is either death or signing up yourself into the LEGION program by entering an HSU.

[deft bay]

why doesnt the warden send us all in like 120 thousand KSOs

even the neonates

just activate all

[austere depot]

It may be connected to the October 12th incident. The last time a large scale conflict occurred within the facility, 'something' fired down below.

I will admit to having thought the same thing however! Why not just run and gun with large numbers and strategic sentry guns?

The description of the effects of the believed to be weapon, changed that 🥲

21B-789-RD4.LOG

[austere depot]

Log: 78H-ERT-BG7

Excerpt:
From: Andrew Clinton B035
To: John Schaeffer C067
Date: November 14th 2053
Subject: Operations Lead position

Excerpt:
"I am well aware that Artus has intimate knowledge of the Hearsay System, so he knows exactly where to go to avoid surveillance. Looking through your NavData there are several times you and he "disappeared" for several hours.
I have worked with Artus personally in the past and while I consider him a skilled engineer and a reliable worker, there is a reason he only has Tier 4 clearance and is still a Systems Engineer after 4 years with the company."

Andrew appears here to chide Schaeffer for his close friendship with Artus. Clinton was the one who ordered Artus to install the hearsay system in secret and Schaeffer would not have had a job if Clinton had not interfered with a company decision to not hire him.

The mail also appear to confirm that there are places within Garganta where one may disappear from the Biocom grid.

Andrew also threatens Schaeffer in the same email.
Excerpt:

"You are not a Compliance Officer. You are not a Pit Boss. You are not a Lab Tech. I expect more from you. You are on the cusp of receiving a Tier 2 security bump, but I will not approve that promotion until you show you have the maturity to understand what is expected of you as an Operations Lead. It's not just about the work you do, it's about the company you keep.

The relationship with Artus ends today or our next discussion will be regarding your demotion."

So Clinton does not approve that two workers he keeps close tab and control over are talking to one another.

I believe there may be a pattern here. No basis, just a hunch.

Excerpt: "I have worked with Artus personally in the past and while I consider him a skilled engineer and a reliable worker, there is a reason he only has Tier 4 clearance and is still a Systems Engineer after 4 years with the company."

He also uplifted Schaeffer though he was rejected by the higher ups in the company the first time around.

Andrew Clinton may be uplifting and making use of workers he feels he can pressure and keep control over. Perhaps he held authority over them by the temping lure of 'promotion' upon compliance and the threat of demotion upon disobedience.

Schaeffer owes his job to Clinton. A debt. If he trapped Schaeffer this way, perhaps he also did something similar to Artus.
I find it odd that Artus, while described to be an excellent worker by Clinton, is suspected to have held the Backdoor key to the entire Biocom system as a level 4 clearance technician. Something just smells fishy about this ordeal..

Clinton also entrusted Artus to install the Hearsay system in secret, which he obviously did not abide by given Schaeffers knowledge of it. And if that is the case, how come Artus then was the one entrusted to communicate with Clinton on installing the backdoor system in the first place?

We have an idea of how that went. If he had those codes, he is the prime candidate to have shared those codes with Schaeffer.

[cobalt mulch]

just a stupid feeling i got from that log.... what if clinton is just a homophobic? keeps artus down as his orientation became known, before schaeffer or after...

[austere depot]

Interesting take on it x'D
But no logs I have seen thus far, give any indication to or any hint of Clinton being a homophobe. He does however treat employees of lower rank poorly (on occasions) while sucking up to those of higher rank, notably Jason Davies.

[eternal talon]

I know this already. I just don't qualify this as being "dead". Then again, this is a very heated political topic currently, so opinions on it vary greatly.

The bit with microwaving hamsters is related to beanz' cryogenic comment.

[eternal talon]

It probably does, but not all in one place. Think of all the noise that would make. World's loudest dinner bell.

Also it is 32,000

[eternal talon]

Rise was abandoned. There are none of those, besides, neonates are literally infants. They need to be processed into units first, of which, wrdn has only made 23 so far.

[rocky wraith]

"You are not a Pit Boss" Uhhhhhhhhhh

John Schaeffer C067 we're gonna need to validate this one?

Andrew Clinton B035

And it's really weird cuz Schaeffer had a security bump 2 years earlier already thanks to Andrew

"Thank you for the security bump. It’s so much easier to speak directly to Amara and the Nyxos team. I will be informing them when each lateral is completed so they can start building out the interiors as they did in the upper floors. I have been informed that Cntrl have T2 clearance, so I’ll keep them in the loop as they expand the grid."

August 17th 2051

[austere depot]

I believe they both check out.
What's your take on it? Alternate timeline?

[rocky wraith]

I'm not sure, if it was an ALT the local IDs would have differed

[austere depot]

That is true 🤔

[rocky wraith]

Maybe he was promoted from pit boss to one higher

And Operations Lead is higher than that

Or he was just promoted to Operations Lead but didn't receive the security clearance to go with it

"I’ve got a 300 strong workforce all looking at their Pit Boss waiting for an order, only I know as much as they do so fuck me, right?"

But he was a pit boss at the time of the explosion

[austere depot]

OH!!! WAIT

Check the date! Wasn't Clinton declared dead on November 14th in Log ERG-432-UU???

[rocky wraith]

November 14th 2053

November 14th 2053

The EXACT same day

[austere depot]

ERG-432-UU Excerpt (Rundown 6):

"D-Lock Block Cipher
Sender: Dean Lockwood A074
Receiver: SMC.ALL
Date: November 14th 2053
Subject: Changes

I will be serving as the Project Manager for Santonian Mining Company until a suitable replacement can be found. The tragic loss of Andrew has affected us all deeply, but we must carry on regardless. That is what he would have wanted."

The bastard is ALIVE??

or, well.. relatively alive at that time x'D

[rocky wraith]

So he supposedly died during the Death Ray

What date was that?

[harsh saffron]

12th nov

sry october

[austere depot]

12th October, yeah

[rocky wraith]

So a whole month goes by and he sends an email like nothing happened

Unless he's running darkops

[austere depot]

That is interesting, then Clinton may not have been a specific target by the weapon.

[rocky wraith]

So either

1. He dead for real
2. He isn't dead
3. He's dead in another timeline

We need to get that log about the Death Rays

[austere depot]

It struck 'Hangar 3' and its adjacent Helipad where Clinton was believed to be.

[rocky wraith]

I don't have access to that log so I'm relying on you for the direct quote

[austere depot]

ok, give me a moment, I made that from memory.. (might be wrong, so double checking ~ )

Ah, I was.. the devil is in the details..

Excerpt log: 21B-789-RD4
Details on beam precision
"Interestingly, none of the shafts created by the QGP streams caused flooding in the facility. The streams stopped short of the seabed, except for several shafts which penetrated the seabed within the perimeter of the sea walls, so no flooding occurred. This seems unlikely to be a coincidence."

Details on Clintons believed death
"Unfortunately, one of the streams did hit the helipad outside hangar 3, which is where Mr Clinton was believed to be. His death would have been instantaneous."

[rocky wraith]

"believed"

So even they are uncertain?

[austere depot]

At that time, they appear to be.

[rocky wraith]

Date of this log?

[austere depot]

Comes without a date (DOH) >.<

[rocky wraith]

hmmmmmm

[eternal talon]

it says he got demoted.

two steps down, one step up with the security bump

me thinks

[austere depot]

The interesting part about this though, is that the beam log was released alongside ALT//: R2
We all had a laugh about how Clinton was incinerated - but in the same Rundown we get an Email sent by Clinton on the day he was declared dead in another rundown (R6)

[austere depot]

I think he makes a threat.
"The relationship with Artus ends today or our next discussion will be regarding your demotion."

I need to check some other logs...

[eternal talon]

could have been fried and left on life support.

[eternal talon]

given the context, it should be shortly after the detonation, on october 11th, 2053.

maybe a couple days to a week

BIOCOM is a biological intelligence, yeah? just because he didn't insta-die doesn't make him warden

he could be biocom

[austere depot]

Multiple theories, my friend. Multiples. I am well ware that you infer to my theory that Andrew could be the force behind the WRDN, and I still hold onto that possibility next to the possibility that he is not.

I also still think it is funny to think that Warden could be an anagram for Andrew, even if that is something a 17-year old would think clever x'D (it is why it is funny)

But no, I am not even thinking of that right now even if I entertain the possibility that he is. What is foremost on my mind is if he (if alive in that membrane) left Artus to die or desperately tried to save him in WRU-TYR.log (R6).

Next is why the helipad was struck. Accident? Or was something loaded for transport that the force behind the beams rather would destroy than let out?

Second on my mind is who promoted Schaeffer? Did Andrew do it? Did he live in ALT//:R1 and ALT//:R2?
After all, the firm did not want to hire Schaeffer in the first place and as Project Manager for SMC, who else but Andrew could have promoted Schaeffer?

[sudden cave]

So, who are the characters we play as?

[austere depot]

You can find a description in he pinned document, 'For Dummies'.
I also recommend finding their voice logs on the youtube GTFO Headsay channel

It would be fit to say that they are criminals and murderers

[sudden cave]

Man been reading lot of stuff from the lore

Pretty dense

[silver sandal]

Since the same log describes the other beams as "unlikely to be coincidence" i think that same logic would apply to the one that presumably took out Clinton. Either way its pretty strange to get an email from him the day he dies in a different timeline.

Since Schaeffer is a heavy focus of rundowns his ties to Clinton are also interesting

[austere depot]

True. It is why I wonder if Clinton was the true target or something else on the Helipad was. Something like cargo or an artifact to be transported.

[silver sandal]

maybe the point of altering the timelines will culminate in R8? If Clinton is alive and Schaef is different or stopped in the alt?

[austere depot]

Difficult to say 🤔
It is likely that Schaeffer had the codes and have been shown to have been made aware of the Hearsay system before November 14th. Likely, Artus told him since he was made responsible for both by Clinton.

It is something to keep an eye out for going forward. Changes in Schaeffer.

[silver sandal]

Schaeffers main goal is to escape the complex (which would doom the surface forever) and thats the main thing that puts him at odds with the WRDN correct? WRDN has other goals completely but wants to retain the lockdown?

[eternal talon]

yes. WRDN enforced the lockdown in the first place.

so while it isn't its only goal, it seems rather important.

[jaunty widget]

Is there any reason to believe the WRDN isn't trying to help humanity? I know you mentioned it was experimenting with making KSOs that are invisible to the sleepers. Is it possible it's main goal is to make humans that are immune/just don't care about NAM-V?

[deft bay]

the warden is an AI. And AIs are created to be efficient

its goal was to make a new batch of KSOs that are “invisible” to sleepers.

the process can be very.. well yknow.

just straight up turn us into sleepers that can be controlled by it

thats just a possibility though

[jaunty widget]

Right but considering canonically our squad is the only one that succeeds every time that would make sense if it's goal was to preserve human (albeit altered human) life. Especially if it determined the most efficient way to "solve NAM-V was by genetically changing humans to just not care about it rather than come up with a way to cure it.

[eternal talon]

i mean, it's literally creating/using child soldiers, basically.

thats what rise is, basically

[eternal talon]

we dont know if this is its end goal, but certainly a step it has been doing.

[deft bay]

yeah and that explains rundown 7

half of the time you were just escorting neonate HSUs

[eternal talon]

r2-r3 and r7 are ALL us working on units for wrdn.

[deft bay]

bro got us on a death stranding route

[eternal talon]

keep in mind they still have the mental capacity of children. its short term at best.

a civilization of kids cannot run.

[deft bay]

nothing like a little chem boost cant fix

[jaunty widget]

I'm not saying the baby men are the end goal just that it's possible that Warden sees the squads fail regularly so the solution is to make people that can literally walk right in and do whatever it needs them to do

[eternal talon]

it literally cannot fix.

[jaunty widget]

Which would allow it to achieve it's actual goal, whatever that may be, much more efficiently since it could probably cut down significantly on the number of KSOs it has floating around

[finite vine]

well during rundown 7 the WRDN's main objective was to download a genome research database for NAM-V. and from a recent log we learned that Insight was aware of how deadly NAM-V was and that humanity's only chance to fight it is to locate the origin of the virus and study it to determine an immune genome, which is potentially why Insight used the MWP to go to destination in the first place. So it seems like the WRDN might be trying to find a cure for NAM-V.

[jaunty widget]

I imagine there are significantly more sleepers on destination/the source of NAM-V than there are here considering they attack you while there and the flying sleepers seem like they would likely be whatever race lived there. Making units that could freely walk around there more or less would be a huge boon to finding the source. Especially if the the WRDN intends to use the same methods of altering KSOs to make them invisible to sleepers to also splice immunity into the human genome as opposed to finding a more conventional cure.

[toxic wagon]

Just curious. Has there been a Label name for the enemies in general?

Aside from individual enemy type names

And well Sleepers

[eternal talon]

no.

[toxic wagon]

oof

[toxic flower]

i thought they were called strikers

[burnt wren]

yeah, we call them that, as a community

because people who were the first had 0 imagination

"Strikers, shooters..."

i call them biters and sporeheads, just out of spite

The only confirmed names we have are "Scouts" and "Big boys"

With latter being universal for everything big

[autumn trout]

so, bit dum dum on lore here, but curious question assuming we have any idea: what the shit?

[burnt wren]

big shrug

0 info on that crap

but supposedly that's where chargers come from (the black enemy variants)

either molded by it, or covered by it

But almost always where you find this crap - chargers are not far away

[autumn trout]

good point, probably related then

[jaunty widget]

The sleepers as a whole do seem to be a sort of hive mind to at least the degree a colony of bees would be with different ones taking on different forms to perform different roles (scouts protect a sleeping group with detection, big boys are bigger/stronger etc.) and them not showing signs of fighting each other. It seems like some kind of symbiotic organism or different form of sleeper is producing bio material. Based on how at least normal chargers sound compared to strikers they seem to be somewhat hollow. It would make sense to me that sleepers could have the goop coated on them and then the substance hardening to produce a sort of semi hollow outter shell. I say it's symbiotic/a sleeper because the sleepers clearly know it's happening and use it to their advantage by charging at outsides with the "horns" created by the process pointing forward. As for the substance hardening on them when detached from whatever is on the ceiling I'd say it's support by the fact that the chargers are tougher in terms of being more durable, but also the fact they charge horns down and will also actually come up and "punch" you instead of using their tongue things only. Both of those last two points becoming much better prospects when the substance itself is also hard.

[deft bay]

yes you ae correct, the namv and garganta parasite seems to be very compatible with destinations fauna as well as ours indicating that the virus rapidly mutates those that got infected. In rundown 6, we fought the kraken in destination, and more likely that we will be fighting different enemy variants.

this could open up to more creative enemy designs so i cant wait for that future

[jaunty widget]

I'd imagine there'd be at least one other flying type enemy unless only the resulting creatures on Earth are the only kind that actually "sleep"

If the flying enemies do have a dormant state like the ground enemies in game it would make sense for them to have something similar to the scout. I could definitely see something more akin to a spotlight that moves being a better fit for game play wise as a flying scout just seems like hell.

[serene mauve]

dont give them ideas we have enough scouts a a a a a a

[sudden crest]

Never enough scouts.

[deft bay]

what is woods full name?

[cobalt mulch]

isaiah ? https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Woods

[deft bay]

ok cool

i've been wondering about the HSU's memory wipe

does it happen everytime we get into it?

or only when the legion program started?

[cobalt mulch]

unknown but i'm guessing every stint

why else would they on all drops go "what do you think they did here, this place is beeeeeeg"

but that's the ticket, how do they know sleepers and scouts and bioscans etc, if it's not cortex interface stuff or some memory of training / ops

[burnt wren]

Presumably the longer you stay the worse it gets.

The issue seems to be that HSU's stasis is basically death. So your brain ever so slowly deteriorates while in it. Not so much physically (it doesn't seem to literally rot), but it loses whatever it is that makes up your memories.

[cobalt mulch]

hendriksen on r7 had a nice response to some questions and -challenges, like they came from deeply engraved brainwashing stint or a "slave collar" device

[deft bay]

Schafe and Hendrik should be playable

and give us the option to choose who were playing as in the future too

[jaunty widget]

I was just saying based on what we've already seen what could make sense. If the squidwards don't sleep though a scout with their physiology makes no sense.

[upbeat garnet]

Is there anything that discusses the weather in/above the complex? Why is it always raining/stormy? Or does that just become an ideal time to send the prisoners in based off effects on the sleepers?

[eternal talon]

you know, the second half of your statement actually makes a lot of sense. higher ambient noise would make it more difficult to detect the freight lift coming down.

[silver sandal]

I doubt noise from the surface matters much once that lift is hurtling past the first couple hundred meters, it's noisy either way.

[upbeat garnet]

Yeah I was wondering if the weather might be permanently induced to allow frequent expeditions or as a result of something else going on at the surface.

Think ambient light might be a consideration then?

[silver sandal]

That area does have seasonal tropical storms and hurricanes, I'd chalk it up to just atmosphere personally

[upbeat garnet]

Every single time it’s a middle of the night thunderstorm? Or am I just overthinking it and it’s to develop a sense of horror?

[jaunty widget]

I think it's just to make it spookier tbh. When it first came out that was the only outside section of the game. I doubt they wanted to put more effort into making a real skybox and randomizing the rain effect for all of 10 seconds that most people skip anyway

[dawn sedge]

has there been a compilation of all the different logs from the extended rundowns yet? ive seen a few screenshots but I have no idea how many i'm missing just because they're not on the Notion database

[harsh saffron]

For ALT R2 logs per level it's:
A1: 1
B1: 1
B2: 2
B4: 2
C1: 1
C2: 1
D1: 1
D2: 1
E1: 2

Most of them are on the wiki already, 2 are missing rn.
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/ALT://Rundown_2.0_Logs

[dawn sedge]

wonderful thank you

[topaz flare]

Alright what's new?

[keen mantle]

@eternal talon hey! Quick question: is it possible that back in R7E1, that we may have been warped back into a “different” timeline of that E1? (Was thinking about how we got to the Alts)

[pearl trench]

it's definitely been speculated on before
schaeffer and klas not saying anything for the entire post-teleport portion of the level is suspicious

don't know if it ever went beyond speculation though

[eternal talon]

Maybe.

[keen mantle]

Maybe R8 would be an interesting one? After post-teleport R7E1, team felt that something was off and we had to go back to the roots and find what has changed or altered. So hence our Alt-RDs. Maybe we’re trying to find something to go back to the present or “correct” timeline?

Wait… are the logs from Alt-RD have any… different time periods compared to the logs from the first two original RDs?

[burnt wren]

I highly doubt this is the case. Because we literally get the same objectives from warden - we don't just "go back". We are reliving the alternative experience.

[rocky wraith]

Some of them do, and some of them have different local IDs for some individuals

And I don’t suspect we have moved to another dimension, I still think we are ‘merging’ with another. And what we are getting is 2 separate teams timelines and lore until they meet at R6 where they first encounter the MWP which then merges Prime and ALT together

By ‘merging the superpositions to move to a new position’

[finite vine]

I honestly just think the ALT rundowns are an excuse/ reason for the devs to justify bringing the old rundowns back

which i have no problem with

[burnt wren]

I kinda do

Ruined forever, there's no going back

[solemn kraken]

Don't you like it to be able to play what you missed?

[burnt wren]

Just bring them back and say nothing. Just say they are cctv recordings or something.

There was no need to completely liquify the foundations of your world building with multiverse BS.