gtfo-lore

[finite vine]

honestly, why would they even use an escape craft? why wouldn't they just use the matter wave projector to transport everything and everyone to a new universe/ planet? seems much more efficient to me.

[eternal talon]

infinite destinations, etc etc.

[topaz flare]

in an omniverese

but we are counting a multiverse

its alot

[eternal talon]

every possible variation is a different worldline.

[topaz flare]

but not infinite

[topaz flare]

no not really

its a diff timeline yes

[eternal talon]

basically infinite. as time increases it will only grow.

[topaz flare]

yes timelines are inf

but they all fallow the same path

[eternal talon]

with every worldline making more and more

[topaz flare]

thats the beauty of timelines no matter what you do they always fallow the same path

just things are diff

no matter what you do

key players are always going to be there

like bishop

[eternal talon]

well they did do that. they went to earth. we don't know everything in the inner and they would have to use the MWP anyway. destination is not in our worldline.

[topaz flare]

bishop no matter what you do if his a key object in the core timeline

aka the first universe of this category

[finite vine]

ok yea true lmao

[eternal talon]

the meteor is basically a giant ship encased in rock

[topaz flare]

and the first timeline that was created he would always fallow the same path with very small things changing but he will always be inside the complex

[eternal talon]

in the shape of an egg.

[austere depot]

The virus expands the life of the parasite indefinitely. What if the virus is to the parasite what the HSU's are to humans, in negative terms and effects?
And the crash of the 'vessel' mirrors the crash on the Mars mission?

[finite vine]

and the rock contains cretasuim, which makes me think it was apart of their planet.

[austere depot]

Only in interdimensional jumps rather than space travel

[eternal talon]

maybe. we haven't done a soil study of Destination.

[finite vine]

i thought the black crystal's on destination was cretasium

[eternal talon]

um, i've heard that, but i haven't actually seen any sources for it being so.

[finite vine]

I thought in the "deep scan" log it describes cretasium as being a black glassy rock... I could be mistaken

[eternal talon]

if anything it would be more likely for it to be a material similar to what the artifacts were made of

as that calculation comes directly from an analysis on an artifact

[finite vine]

thats actually a great point. what if the aliens used the virus to prolong their life. or maybe its just something they carried naturally.

[eternal talon]

**D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.B014.tier5.MSL.flagged.

MSL report K-UX-DeepScan-4-7-52

Sector analysis complete. The mass extends 2,215 (+/- 372m) meters from apex
to nadir. Width estimate is 1,247 meters (+/- 208m). As suspected, it is
largely made up of the newly discovered Cretasium 77a material, and
surrounded by a thin membrane of iridium. Further analysis is required to
determine if the material composition mirrors the artifacts. The data
suggests the composition of the "egg" is not identical to the artifacts, but
shares properties. This suggests a similar origin.
**

**Core composition analysis follows:

cretasium 77a: 38.60%
oxygen: 27.34%
silicon: 12.12%
aluminum: 5.13%
iridium: 3.32%
sodium: 3.26%
calcium: 2.57%
potassium: 2.10%
magnesium: 2.03%
titanium: 1.14%
hydrogen: 0.93%
phosphorous: 0.77%
carbon: 0.54%

+trace strontium, barium, manganese, fluorine, sulfur, zirconium, tungsten,
chlorine, copper, nickel, nitrogen, zinc.

It is safe to assume that standard excavation methods will not work given the
results of the artifact analysis. We should upgrade the mine teams with Nyxos
cutters.

Additional: Several large, clear tubes can be seen on the true color gamma
print, starting at the approximate center point of the mass. They do not
appear to be lava tubes; the composition materials are too dense to be
affected by any heat generated by volcanic activity. Further analysis is
needed once we excavate. GSP data for the largest of these tubes has been
sent to operations.**

i dont see anything relating to the color black or the texture.

it does mention cretasium however.

[topaz flare]

ok so heres an explanation something to make sure you all kinda understand core universes it will prop not be needed but im a nerd so No i will not stop

in a multiverse you have mutiple clusters of universes and all of this clusters form around a core universe this core universe was the first universe that existed inside that cluster and is the template for other universes inside the cluster.
it is important to know the core universe is a complete story everything that happens inside the cluster or universes that are clustering near this core universes are basically copying the core universe but changing it
this also means there was once a core timeline where everything happend and every other universe inside this cluster copies and changes a bit. most of the times the cluster universes don't even know the core universe exists and after some time inside the clusters a new core universe may be born changing the timeline alot.

from this info now we just have to find out what is the role and position of this allens

that way we can understand how bad is the threat

but we dont have any info about it so we must wait until we get more info

[eternal talon]

**Log G732-049
Date: June 05th 2055
Employee: Dr. Rebecca Stokes B162
Type: Journal entry

//HearSay auto-transcript begins//

Stokes
Hearsay on.
[2.3 second silence]
Stokes
Okay, so, I just checked the quantum signature from E-F-Zero-One. Now we only got a 5 millisecond data burst, but it gave us something to work with at least. The frequency rate of the tether during those 5 milliseconds is different to the frequency rate of the tether in the moments before we initiated the jump.
[3.1 second silence]
Stokes
The frequency is different. The frequency is different!
[1.7 second silence]**

[topaz flare]

why would i give out this info?
well because if we go by core universe we can determine that our other selfs are also fallowing our path

[eternal talon]

Stokes
I mean, assuming this data is correct - and even if our equipment were damaged in some way it wouldn’t give us false readings, it would give us nothing - but assuming it is correct that means wherever Dr Durant and his team ended up, their clocks would be running faster.
[2.6 second silence]
Stokes
It’s not a relativity issue. This is a calculable change in the quantum frequency. Durant’s time was running faster than our time. And not by a little - by a lot. Back of the envelope math is 1 second in our quantum frequency is about 85 seconds in Durant’s quantum frequency. I mean I
[4.4 second silence]
Stokes
I want to scream but I don’t have the energy. There are places that pass through time at a different rate. This is multi-dimensional physics. This is a change in our fundamental understanding of the universe, or it’s a another universe, or there are multiple versions of this universe and we happened to pick up the trace of a different universe or
[6.7 second silence]
Stokes
This is too big for me. I don’t know who to talk to. If I go to Hammerstein he’ll take over and want the credit. I don’t care if he gets it but he’ll slow the process down trying to curate it to his gain. If I tell Howie then they’ll see my email and everyone will know and I’ll lose control. I mean they are listening to everything so
[2.8 second silence]
Stokes
Hearsay off.
//audio file not found

[topaz flare]

@eternal talon thoughts?

[eternal talon]

**Category: Weekly Notes 10/06 - 10/12 2053
Reported by: Dr. Gallus Hammerstein B014
Created: October 11th 2053
Modified: October 13th 2053

The Hammerstein Collection

Abstract

This is the weekly report of Dr. Gallus Hammerstein, lead researcher and founder (or co-founder according to some) of Project Insight. I have decided to stop using the Hearsay system to record my daily and weekly notes as I believe prying eyes may wish to take my research and use it for their own gain. As such, I will be keeping all of my files local in a markdown vault so that I have complete control over the information I am gathering. This is clearly the wisest solution given the competitive nature of the staff I have hired for Insight.

Weekly Achievements

This week we received a new shipment of specimen display cases and formaldehyde. To their credit, Dreyfus have been more than helpful in making sure my project is sufficiently funded and supported for the last 2 years. I’m glad they recognize the importance of my work.**

**I have started a photographic record of the specimens. At some point in the future I will be getting published for these breakthrough discoveries and will need imagery for the inevitable book and tour lectures.

This week I drew the conclusion that the lifeforms we have been finding do not appear to come from the same evolutionary tree. Indeed, many of them appear to have at least partially evolved in drastically different environments, though there is clearly a commonality in the mutations they all share. There is no indication that the artifacts and objects we have found within the fossil were designed for use by any of the creatures, so quite how they ended up there is still a mystery. The bizarre disappearance of the equipment while working on Artifact 13 suggests some method of transformation or even transportation beyond our current understanding. As such, the origin of these creatures remains a mystery - but they come from different places. Different planets? Universes? I am confident I will unravel the mystery, but my impatience for understanding is overwhelming!

Goals

I want to display my specimens in as many places as possible to inspire my team to new discoveries. The Hammerstein Collection is destined to be one of the scientific wonders of the world and I feel it is my duty to reward my staff by showing off the work they do to their peers. It is inspirational and I will forgive myself for this brief display of pride.**

[topaz flare]

want to know if we got any logs or so that makes it so it isn't a core universe situation

[eternal talon]

**I will be conducting a behavioral analysis of the few living creatures we have managed to capture. They have an extreme sensitivity to aural stimulation, so I will be setting up an experiment to project a range of frequencies throughout the lower levels of Garganta to see which ones draw the attention. Obviously, this will be a controlled experiment. We will have Security Officers there to protect the researchers as they capture as many varieties of creature as possible. In an ideal world, I would need to order more display cases!

It should be perfectly safe if everyone does as I say. Next week will be monumental for Project Insight!

Dr. Gallus Hammerstein
Project Insight Lead Researcher & Founder**

the log above mentions the specimens hammerstein found

and the log above that the issue of time

[eternal talon]

no comment.

[topaz flare]

alright so we dont have any logs or things that make it not valid

thank god

[eternal talon]

there is nothing that disproves it, but there is also nothing that proves it.

[topaz flare]

yeah i know that

it just helps us understand whats happening to other us

cause if were in the complex every other us is also inside the complex

[eternal talon]

basically all of earth is dead. the threat is already over.

[topaz flare]

or at least went through it

[eternal talon]

we lost.

[topaz flare]

i never said that

the story is yet to be finished my friend

[eternal talon]

you never said what

[topaz flare]

we must wait and see

[eternal talon]

because i quoted you

[topaz flare]

that everything is dead

we dont know if everyone is dead dead

[eternal talon]

not everything.

[topaz flare]

groups may still exist outside

[eternal talon]

BASICALLY, ESSENTIALLY, ALMOST,

[topaz flare]

yep

at this point of the story yep

[eternal talon]

there are almost ccertainly groups outside in extreme isolation

its like killing roaches

its basically impossible

aside from total annihilation of the planet itself

[topaz flare]

in my opinion not really the thing is universes are colliding

that could not have happened in core universe

aka " after some time inside the clusters a new core universe may be born changing the timeline alot"

but thats all we have

on the situation right now

hope in R3 we get more info

i shall leave now thank you everybody for being here and brain storming

o7

[finite vine]

I mean the threat is humanity going extinct

[eternal talon]

i dont think we know for certain on this topic, but there are going to be some seriously fucking major side-effects of earth losing like 60+% of its total wildlife population

[finite vine]

easy fix to solve this entire problem: find a universe with a quantum frequency where time passes slowly, and travel to it. then don't dig up the meteor lmao

easy win, humanity saved

if the prisoners really want to escape this mess, they need to use the matter wave projector to transfer themselves to a non fucked universe. there is nothing for them outside of garganta...

[eternal talon]

schaeffer doesn't know that.

and so here we are.

would be a sick twist for him to destroy it just before going to the surface.

[finite vine]

well maybe he will die from NAM-V, then we will be in our HSU's indefinitely

[eternal talon]

he should have died from it years ago tbh.

[finite vine]

yep

[eternal talon]

him not being dead is already a plot hole.

[finite vine]

maybe he's the cure

[eternal talon]

CDC declared no natural immunity. 1 out of likely upwards of 10 billion?

[topaz flare]

if core universe theory doesn't have effect yep thats all it takes

[eternal talon]

they'd never be able to return to normal life after what they had been through.

[finite vine]

yea but the CDC doesn't know that the MWP exists and there are alternate universes with multiple schaeffers. Remember the shaeffer discrepancy? maybe he never left his hsu from KDS deep... the shaeffer we are talking to might be from another universe. lmao crack head theory with zero proof besides the fact that the MWP exists.

[topaz flare]

again if core universe doesn't take effect that would be the case

if it does that is not the case

and cant be the case

unless we are the the core universe but even than other universes should not exist

cause we are the first

[topaz flare]

true

[eternal talon]

and who would believe them?

[topaz flare]

the warden

and whoever made it

[austere depot]

Nearly everyone in the narrative would have been better of if they realized the severity of the situation they were part of or a part of creating, and GTFO'd.
This is true even for the main instigators. They had no one to tell them no. Or rather, they put themselves up in a situation where they refused to take any 'no' or regulations.

It was a bad situation and they needed to GTFO of it.
The same could be said for those who went along with the corruption. Took their money and wrote legislations to their favor. They needed to GTFO of it too by putting some damned red tape on them x'D

[eternal talon]

"hi, i popped out of a hole in mexico and have neural implants from the future in my brain where i killed aliens in the post-apocalypse"

[finite vine]

I also have a device that can transcend space and time, literally

[eternal talon]

they'd be immediately taken away by men in black suits.

[topaz flare]

bishop....

OMG BISHOP!!!!

[finite vine]

actually, now that I think about it, after transporting themselves to another universe, they would need to spend a while in HSU to kill the NAM-V they carried with them.

[topaz flare]

HE TRIED

[eternal talon]

that too

and how would they GET TO HSU in that universe?

when kovac has the only ones

[topaz flare]

bishop form another universe may have tried

by blackmailing davis

OMG

[finite vine]

they would have to bring one

[topaz flare]

that would be amazing

[eternal talon]

drag an HSU with them?

how would that even work

[finite vine]

that is possible... damn this MWP transcending universe stuff really makes a lot of possibilities

[topaz flare]

and that is why im such a nerd for omniverse stuff

so i can help ppl

[finite vine]

4 big strong men carrying an hsu? maybe possible.

[topaz flare]

understand it a bit better

[austere depot]

What instead of blackmail, he did a Snowden and leaked it to the public?
Bishop was in a bad place and needed to GTFO too.

[topaz flare]

no

the fact is

if bishop in our universe did nothing

but also try to blackmail davis

[cunning light]

When this channel has 500+ unread messages

[eternal talon]

well yes, but think about it. when we teleport in r6a1 what do we teleport with us? it might be too big.

[topaz flare]

again we are in a multiveresal collapse everyone things are bound to change like that

[eternal talon]

also dauda ain't no big strong man. He is Doktor.

[topaz flare]

we are fallowing the same narrative of main timeline but also diff cause univereses are clashing into each other

[finite vine]

if the allens teleported a 2km wide spaceship, then im sure its possible. we certainly would not know how to do it though. we would need to find the person that created the warden or we would need to work with the warden, because quite frankly, the warden is the only thing that knows what the fuck is going on.

[topaz flare]

yet he stab a dead body so hard the head explodes

[finite vine]

prisoners team up with the warden against shaeffer?

[eternal talon]

i doubt they did it with the little dinky MWP. Insight had to make their giant teleporters to ferry supplies.

[topaz flare]

yes thats why i think it was a such a bad idea to give it to shaeffer

[eternal talon]

imagine one the size of a city buried under the sand of destination

[topaz flare]

that would be possible and scary at the same time

cause it means krakens are also upstairs in the world

and one of those things was not easy to kill in cannon

[eternal talon]

apparently in r6c1 we see 2-3 of them

though i can't verify

i personally only ever saw the one.

[topaz flare]

yes i heared

i mean

it makes sense if there is multiple

[lilac island]

i read the for dummies.txt file, what now?

i need

more

[topaz flare]

oh boy

[eternal talon]

ask away

[lilac island]

@native shell who is this guy

[topaz flare]

oh boy!

[eternal talon]

an AI

[topaz flare]

frostty im tired of typing tbh i let you help this guy

yes i am a nerd in universe and omniverse stuff

but it still takes a toll on me

[lilac island]

then how about you record an audio file for me

[topaz flare]

nope

too lazy

😄

[eternal talon]

**What is the WARDEN?

The Warden is an AI injected into the Biocom network called the "Warden Protocol" that forcefully took over the system. We do not know who installed it, or what its goals are.
It is currently to this very day still fighting for control of the network with Biocom, as Biocom tries repeatedly to delete the invasive program, with the WRDN resetting the exe just before finalizing.
This is shown on a terminal in one of the core Biocom server rooms and repeats twice while we are still there.**

[austere depot]

Hearsay on

[eternal talon]

did you read the entire thing?

[lilac island]

Hearsay on

[lilac island]

yes, i did

[eternal talon]

it covers some stuff at the bottom

[lilac island]

but it's just that I don't like the idea of WRDN being an AI, how do we get to that conclusion?

[eternal talon]

we came to the conclusion because the logs said so.

[topaz flare]

yeah its cannon

[rocky wraith]

logs didn't say its an AI, biocom is an AI, but wrdn is a parasite on that AI

[topaz flare]

like proved

its a DAI

[eternal talon]

isn't it said for certain it is a DI

[topaz flare]

a decision AI

[lilac island]

how come WRDN doesn't do anything at R7 when we are clearly interacting with another prisoner?

[rocky wraith]

Biocom is a DI

not WRDN

[lilac island]

Or maybe that's scheduled for R8

[eternal talon]

what would it do exactly

[rocky wraith]

we never did?

[eternal talon]

its hands are kind of tied

[lilac island]

It knows, it sees us all the time

[eternal talon]

they are talking about us helping schaeffer

[rocky wraith]

If we were face to face it would ask us to kill them

[topaz flare]

yes but what would it do?

[eternal talon]

like the memory stick and the hydrokenetic fluid case

[rocky wraith]

but because we aint then it can't do anythong

[topaz flare]

we are more than husks at this point

we think unlike most prisoners

[lilac island]

It has the capacity to mess with security protocols and such (like when it forces access inside reactor terminals), can't it obstruct our way so that we don't complete schaeffer's objective?

[topaz flare]

and scheaffer took off his and Hendrickson collar

[topaz flare]

scheaffer was hunting us down and talking to us

the only time we do scheaffers job for sure is R7D2

and biocom tries to stop us

with security alamrs

alarms*

and trying its best to stop us from messing with the memory stick

but failed

in R7C3 we are not doing scheaffers objective

[lilac island]

btw, how do WE know who the warden is? it never introduced itself

[topaz flare]

logs around the complex

talking about him

[rocky wraith]

Messages into the brain, thats it

[lilac island]

neural interface?

[rocky wraith]

Yeah, we have neural implants that lets it send objective stacks into our heads

R7C1 shows (audibly) the removal of 1 in henrikson

[lilac island]

as players we have the game description at the store page to have a grasp of things, but how would prisoners know it?

how far does the memory wipe from the HSUs go?

[rocky wraith]

because of shaefer

[rocky wraith]

everything

[finite vine]

they just know that an entity is telling them what to do, and they call that entity The Warden.

[lilac island]

so we would have to relearn who the warden is everytime we jump down to complete a mission?

[rocky wraith]

but memories can reemerge in high intensity situations

[rocky wraith]

nearly

[finite vine]

memory loss within HSU takes a while, like over 6 months

[eternal talon]

2 years for a full wipe. as per bishop and woods.

[austere depot]

To get the what the Warden is, one must first understand Biocom.
Biocom was installed to keep tabs on everything within the facility. What it is, is a highly intelligent automated system, but it is not self-aware. It is still capable of navigating complex tasks.
Biocom is the control system in the facility which the prisoners are linked up to. It is also Biological in nature. Sci-fi stuff.

Here is where it gets complicated:
At some time, we are not exactly sure when, WRDN infected Biocom which should be impossible. Since the WRDN controls Biocom, it also can provide directives to the prisoners.. and access nearly everything within the facility.

Schaeffer has the ability to block its path because he, like the WRDN, has access to Biocom though a backdoor which was installed in case.. well, like an emergency like the WRDN would occur. Schaeffer though was never meant to have it.

[lilac island]

Is that where Henrikson comes in?

[eternal talon]

no

[rocky wraith]

yup, he puts the thing in the thing

[eternal talon]

he is basically irrelevant

[austere depot]

@eternal talon has aptly before described it as a tug of war

[austere depot]

he does put the thing in the thing.. x'D

[eternal talon]

huh?

[rocky wraith]

the usb stick

[finite vine]

BIOCOM also controlled and managed Kovac Security Operatives. Legion operatives.

[eternal talon]

henrikkson does no such thing

we do that

[topaz flare]

most prisoners dont even remember anything

they are husks

[eternal talon]

in r7c3 and r7d2

[topaz flare]

of empty emotionless slaves

the four of us are not

[rocky wraith]

he makes it, he controls the tug of war

[topaz flare]

plush scheaffer ofc

and thats why we are better

cause we have thinking power

we think for ourself to some extend

[lilac island]

what about the level descriptions? the ones where you get an insight of what is going to happen

[topaz flare]

dead prisoners

[rocky wraith]

bleed through from previous prisoners attempts

[lilac island]

Like R1D1 for instance: *Everyone is dead. I can't- I won't make it"

[eternal talon]

aw c'mon man. i did better than that.

" Two puppeteers fighting for control over the same set of strings"

[austere depot]

Indeed. That is why Schaeffer gets Henrikson, to install a trojan into the Biocom system to hamper the control of the WRDN.

[lilac island]

But those previous prisoners had emotions! They showed fear, distress

[topaz flare]

it never gives us any emotion now does it?

its saying i wont make it

not oh god crying

i wont make it

an emotionless person

can still use logic

[rocky wraith]

like what I said earlier. High stress situations causes emotions and some memories to reemerge.

[topaz flare]

altough you are right they may not be fully emotionless

but they are husks

[rocky wraith]

It's mentioned in a log

[topaz flare]

what we know for sure is that we are diff

we are not the same as other prisoners

[rocky wraith]

gigachads

[lilac island]

is it canonical that the same team has completed all rundowns so far?

[rocky wraith]

yup

[topaz flare]

yes

[eternal talon]

i think he means cranial capacity

[topaz flare]

from R1

[eternal talon]

big brain

not robots

[rocky wraith]

There are more happening in the background

[finite vine]

Well yes, they show emotion and fear, they just respond to certain voice commands like robots. Psychosomatic Routine Development Method. That's what Kovac used to control their security operatives. That is given from an audio log in R7

[topaz flare]

all PEs (doing all objectives)

[rocky wraith]

like we aren't the only prisoners doing missions

[topaz flare]

R6C3

[lilac island]

but we're the only ones actually surviving

right?

[rocky wraith]

no

others are surviving

[topaz flare]

no but we are the best

you can say elites

[finite vine]

well no, there are parallel objectives that other prisoner groups complete.

[austere depot]

I would say, it depends. If we apply alternate 'membrane' theory. We have plenty of times where we have died - and thus, played prisoners who have failed

[topaz flare]

@lilac island the thing is we are the ones that went to impossible missions and came back thats what we are

[lilac island]

Yes! That's what I wanted to know about checkpoints

They express their happiness that they came back, most of the time

[eternal talon]

checkpoints aren't cannon. purely gameplay

[topaz flare]

no lets not bring that in please

that would mean the players are also an entity

a watcher

and i dont want that

please no

[rocky wraith]

lore accurate players

[finite vine]

yea the checkpoints are kind iffy, because there are really no logs to back up the fact that they are actually "respawning", or "going back in time" when they reload a checkpoint.

[topaz flare]

the whole multiverse thing becomes such a shitshow if you bring the player in

i beg fish

[lilac island]

Could we actually be the WRDN? Like, controlling the prisoners directly

[topaz flare]

perhaps i mean bishop said it in R6

what if you are the warden

[eternal talon]

no.

[topaz flare]

it can direct to the player

but also

no

[eternal talon]

because WRDN loses contact with us

[topaz flare]

cause its an entitiy

[lilac island]

With the whole universe-frequency thingy, I think anything's possible

[topaz flare]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[eternal talon]

EVERY TIME we go to destination

[topaz flare]

@austere depot LOOK WHAT YOU DONE

[eternal talon]

wrdn is out of range

[lilac island]

Ah yes, the DISCONNECTED

[eternal talon]

if you open your map

[lilac island]

That's a good point!!!

[topaz flare]

if! IF!! the player is cannon

[austere depot]

I do too. If memories bleed over and the alternates warp at a different time. We could be given a memory of a state that has 'failed'

[topaz flare]

that means we are omniverseal entities

and thats not good cause it makes all sort of problems

ahhhhhhh

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-office-dwight-schrute-sniper-gif-25130487

don't worry, @topaz flare. i got this

[lilac island]

I do like this very much

[topaz flare]

thanks mate

[eternal talon]

and this was the last we ever heard of Hidden_fish

[lilac island]

How come we never find any of them?

Not a trace, not even an open door with an already completed bioscan

[rocky wraith]

yes

[topaz flare]

objective stack complete

[topaz flare]

security lockdowns come by daily

[rocky wraith]

Honestly its a good idea

[topaz flare]

doors may just close cause of lockdown after a day

[rocky wraith]

Or wait...

[topaz flare]

also blood doors

• R6D3

open security door

[rocky wraith]

what if the previous messages that we read before a run are picked up from other membranes attempts

[austere depot]

Infected spawn scream
There are a lot of fish swarming

[topaz flare]

bruh

anyway back to the topic

... nvm

i been sitting here

[lilac island]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-point-back-to-the-point-gif-21170884

[topaz flare]

CHATTING ABOUT GTFO LORE FOR ABOUT 3 HOURS

WHAT IS MY LIFE!

i just noticed the clock

[austere depot]

complete

[lilac island]

Expedition Survived

[topaz flare]

yes

[topaz flare]

oh boy

this room

good luck you guys im just gonna close discord

so i can do other things

[austere depot]

My nightmare is that they are all Bishop asking for tool refill.

[topaz flare]

anything i need to know before i go?

[austere depot]

Cred to the voice actor of Bishop, he just sounds so angry asking for it.

[topaz flare]

ah yes

perfect

[eternal talon]

c-foam

[austere depot]

he needed to see foam?

[topaz flare]

if we are sending cursed shit here, not my photo but i did get perms to send it whenever i want

[rocky wraith]

Despawn yourself

[topaz flare]

alright your right i leave leaves the room

[topaz flare]

good night

its 1 am

im going to fucking sleep

[rocky wraith]

nini

[lilac island]

delet this

[austere depot]

those are the eyes of a dead man

[austere depot]

If Dauda is not strong, explain this:
https://i.gyazo.com/22be3bacd20d90bcaf3009a18938717c.png

[rocky wraith]

oki

I was chewing through the google doc log

And I came to a horrific realisation

People sharing first names also share genomic data

eg Abeo Dauda and Abeo Tyree share the same genomic data

and it seems each genomic data has a majority name and minority names

[eternal talon]

abeo got married in an alt timeline?

[rocky wraith]

so he'd be the gay bottom?

[eternal talon]

apparently, its his genetic match.

[rocky wraith]

lol

[thick ridge]

bruh I never gave you perms

but you better spread it around because i worked hard on that degenerate shooter (;

[topaz flare]

Didn't you? I remember you did in a convo if not my bad if you want I delete it (didn't post it anywhere really)

[thick ridge]

Oh shit, did we talk about it? I don't remember lmao my bad

I'm fucking around. Idc. It's great to see that pic again lol

it's for the community

[topaz flare]

Aight just tell me if you want me to not post it anywhere else if not I make sure to remember it's yours so I can just send this beauty around time to time

With your name

[thick ridge]

never! spread that shit (:

[topaz flare]

(:

[thick ridge]

tbh it might be better not to be associated with it

i'm going to work on version 2.0 featuring a Scout once i'm off work for the holidays

[topaz flare]

Fun story I have it as my desktop background but I also have wall engine and it has shuffle so every now and than I just see it for 0.5 seconds before the background changes

And everytime an admin perm comes up

I have perfect view

Just waiting for my dad to one day see it

[thick ridge]

I hope he likes it

[finite vine]

because of lazy level design

[lilac island]

classic

[wet hornet]

so Schaeffer's squad left him behind or were they killed?

what does "Evac" mean

[eternal talon]

they all died. he didn't.

wrdn thought he was dead, and left him behind.

[eternal talon]

extraction

when all their signals went dark, warden pulled out the freight lift.

[wet hornet]

oh okay

thx

just finished E1

[eternal talon]

everyone except schaef is dead.

(in his squad)

[hot burrow]

Which one is schaeffer?

[finite vine]

I love how the warden calls them "resources"

[unborn pier]

what is the deepest lore

[eternal talon]

what do you mean by 'deepest'

[finite vine]

the fog is coming

[unborn pier]

when can we expect the fog

[violet loom]

what

[dull lion]

D E E P E S T L O R E

[last quarry]

Wait, if the parasite/virus/etc dies when we are in hydro stasis, does this mean eventually Schaeffer and/or Henrikson will succumb to the parasite since they arent going in the pods anymore?

[cobalt mulch]

well the story doesn't tell if schaeffer figured out the hsu's (especially after the collection case business) and can do short kill-virus-parasite-stints on his own volition

but yea if infection and or parasite invasion is guaranteed in long enough time, they would not fare well without a hsu for long periods

[topaz flare]

!!!!!!!!!!

We do realize that they could just dismantle an hsu

And use the stuff inside to get rid of them right?

Sheaffer may be unstable but his smart

He would prop figure something out

[honest sky]

HSUs don't have specific "kill paracite, wipe memory" protocols AFAIK. It just happened to come along with putting humans into cold storage, and COVAK utilized the memory wipe while the warden is utilizing the virus reset.

[rocky wraith]

possibly but it will take a while to get them

[rocky wraith]

No, unfortunately that's not how they work :(

our bois are gonna have to willingly put themselves into HSUs

[topaz flare]

but the chemicals are inside the hus

hsu*

[rocky wraith]

It's not the chemical that kills the parasite

[topaz flare]

than what is it?

[rocky wraith]

Viruses survive by using living cells to replicate and survive. HSU effectively "kill" the person inside, and because the virus needs a live host, it will die without the living tissue

It was mentioned in a log

[topaz flare]

how does it kill the person from inside?

cold?

another virus

chemical

[rocky wraith]

The science around hydrostasis isn't fully explained, but the best way to think of it is that all the water molecules are 'frozen' not frozen in the cold sense, thinking it maybe something to do with electrostatics. because of this, all the processes stop entirely and are dead

[topaz flare]

alright now how was blueskin alive

and not infected

[rocky wraith]

You ever done formaldehyde cell fixing?

[topaz flare]

no

):

[rocky wraith]

basically works like that

[rocky wraith]

blueskin?

[topaz flare]

im at your mercy here tbh cause i dont know anything of biology category

[topaz flare]

R6

the thing scheaffer killed

forgot his name

[rocky wraith]

Oh

[topaz flare]

so i just call him blue skin

[rocky wraith]

specimen 22

or Unit 22

[topaz flare]

alright so

how is unit 22 alive?

well

was

[rocky wraith]

how do you mean? he was grown?

[topaz flare]

no how did he not get infected

and if he did

how did he keep true to himself

[rocky wraith]

he was

[topaz flare]

well his little himself

[rocky wraith]

there was no true self except what you saw

best way to think of it

[topaz flare]

alright lets change the question

how was he not attacking

and not being a sleeper fully

immunity? that cant be it

puppeteer by warden can be an answer

[rocky wraith]

is that he was a Seed grown by the WRDN using the RISE programs methods

[topaz flare]

but how could he override the peraste

[topaz flare]

yes i know that

but how isn't he hostile?

[rocky wraith]

WRDN may have used the genomic databased gathered to make an inate immunity to the parasite/virus

[topaz flare]

so WRDN found a semi cure?

[rocky wraith]

no

A cure treats and removes the disease

this is more like an inbuilt immunity

to prevent getting infected in the first place

this is speculation of course

[topaz flare]

but he got infected

cause sleepers see it as one of there own

[rocky wraith]

OH

no

[topaz flare]

or my theory of emotion is currect

[rocky wraith]

NONOONONON

You missed a log

[topaz flare]

which one?

[rocky wraith]

one of the logs describing the "pros" of the RISE program

Specifically

give me 2 mins to find it

[topaz flare]

aight

[rocky wraith]

Oki its not on the website

yet

but it was a log basically being a advertisement of the RISE program

and one of the advantages the guy offered was "pheromone" changes to prevent tracking

So extrapolating from this with the fact the sleepers don't have eyes, we can assume the WRDN made the creature 'invisible' to the sleepers

[harsh saffron]

This one?

[rocky wraith]

Yush! that one

I don't have access to any website that is updated with all the logs yet

Like the Notion and official wiki haven't been updated

So I've been working from memory

"We can alter their pheromonic signature to deter scent tracking"

[harsh saffron]

Yeah didn't get to putting them on the wiki yet, there should be 5 missing.

[rocky wraith]

a few of those are HIGHLY important

[topaz flare]

how many are there?

[harsh saffron]

Indeed, very good logs this Rundown ^^

[topaz flare]

question

how many rise program units are out there?

like did we kill the only one alive

[rocky wraith]

One in particular I want is the one critising Shaefer for his connection to Artus

[harsh saffron]

12 I think

[topaz flare]

so we got 12 of them

running around

in the complex

and we killed 1

[rocky wraith]

There are a lot of dead ones

[harsh saffron]

nah sry thought u asked about the amount of logs ^^

[rocky wraith]

We made a 23rd in R7

[topaz flare]

i dont want to know the dead bodies

i want to know how many units are still active

other than 23

22 is dead

[rocky wraith]

We don't know

[topaz flare]

... why do i think warden is about to send all of them towards us?

or scheaffer

well nvm

well hmmmmm

question did we take over warden as well?

or only biocom

[rocky wraith]

They are technically supposed to replace us

[rocky wraith]

no

only access into Biocom

[topaz flare]

so warden could just retaliate against scheaffer

[rocky wraith]

Yup

Which is why Shaefer never meets us face to face

[topaz flare]

you know this convo is alot more nice than talking about multiverses i like this

[rocky wraith]

Because we would be instructed to murder him

[rocky wraith]

:3

well...

[topaz flare]

hope we get to kill him

i rather be on the side of a an AI that is trying to save all of us

than a unstable maniac

that is only stopped by one other person

[rocky wraith]

The AI is gonna replace us

[topaz flare]

to do stupid things

[rocky wraith]

And it isn't trying to save us

[topaz flare]

prop not we are too high value

[rocky wraith]

No, we aren't

like you don't get just how good the RISE units are

Imagine turning on systems without a single firefight

[topaz flare]

...fair enough

[rocky wraith]

walking through hordes upon hordes untouched

Perfectly OBEDIENT slaves

which we are not

[topaz flare]

the question now is does it have enough of this units?

[rocky wraith]

afaik. Only 23

[topaz flare]

how many Rise units are there? do you think

[rocky wraith]

which is why I suspect we'll see it in R8

[rocky wraith]

There are technically 23

but

[topaz flare]

we know 23 of them

is there more?

[rocky wraith]

There was a room in another rundown that had a room of a LOT of corpses

of specimens

[topaz flare]

R4

[rocky wraith]

yus

[topaz flare]

a tank broke in

and killed all of them

[rocky wraith]

why would there be?

[topaz flare]

or one turned into one

[rocky wraith]

The rest would have turned as fast as well

[topaz flare]

unless warden doesn't have much to do i dont think he would replace everyone

with only 23 units

there must be more

[rocky wraith]

with only 1

I mean, why would you need more?

the wrdn is patient

its an ai

all that matters is that it gets done

[topaz flare]

idk

it feels off

unless this units are super super op

in that case

[rocky wraith]

they are

they are literally invisible to sleepers

How is that not op????

[topaz flare]

we dont know if they are invisible to all types

[rocky wraith]

They should be, except to touching scouts I think?

[topaz flare]

garganta is isolated

alos

also*

we dont know whats deeper

[rocky wraith]

The Egg

the Egg is deeper

[topaz flare]

yes but the warden doesn't have access

if he did not anymore

he doesn't know whats waiting down there

really

[rocky wraith]

thats why the reactor was activated in R7E1

to grant access deeper

[topaz flare]

is R7E1 so close to the end?

also didn't we activate the R7E1 reactor to reboot it

not to grant access

[rocky wraith]

To get further down the complex the reactors must be activated

like in R6D1

and R6D3

and several other missions

[topaz flare]

yes but R7E1 scheaffer promtly says we are completing the reboot

[rocky wraith]

Isn't that for R7D2?

[topaz flare]

no

R7D2 we do the memory stick

[rocky wraith]

ah

[topaz flare]

R7E1 is us completing the reboot

so scheaffer can have full access

[rocky wraith]

yus

[topaz flare]

he didn't have it cause protocals

[rocky wraith]

But yeah, Reactors grant us deeper access

[topaz flare]

basically we turned off the biocom and warden and turned it back on

some reactors

not all reactors do

[rocky wraith]

but they are required

[topaz flare]

only main reactors like R6D1

[topaz flare]

yes to power sectors

[rocky wraith]

technically

[topaz flare]

R6D3 was to power the whole sector giving warden full access

[rocky wraith]

we have a straight shot to the egg

[topaz flare]

we do but warden doesn't have eyes

down there

[rocky wraith]

which is why we turn on the reactors

to power those eyes back on

[topaz flare]

we haven't turned on any reactor in R7 to grant it eyes

scheaffer took control before it could show us the way to the reactor to power up the systems below

[rocky wraith]

So R8 should be reactor stuff again

[topaz flare]

no

warden isn't in full control anymore

in R8 we are doing scheaffers dirty work

if he wants eyes yes

we do it

in R7D2 and R7E1 we gave full access to the complex

to scheaffer

and Hendrickson

[rocky wraith]

hmmm

I wonder what he'll do

[topaz flare]

the whole argument here that i was trying to make is that its not right

there must be more than 23

on standby

[rocky wraith]

nah

[topaz flare]

or warden doesn't replace us fully

either or

[rocky wraith]

I think only 23

Anyway, I need to go to Tacobell, they're doing a free taco deal today

I'll ttyl

[topaz flare]

aight

good luck

get good food

[rocky wraith]

yushyush

[lofty warren]

Was the warden ever in full control?

[rocky wraith]

No, it couldn't reveal itself to the staff while alive or risk being purged, and when the lockdown kicked in, a lot of the systems had to be manually reactivated for the WRDN

[sudden crest]

Do we have an explanation for the ||flyers/kraken other than extra-dimensional aliens?||

[topaz flare]

they were prop wild life of distention

just like how we have birds

and stuff

[topaz hollow]

I have a log question

Why is it we have a single morse code log from Schäffer and then voice logs from then on

I mean the H E L L O one

[honest sky]

Schaeffer playing quirky hard to get🍑
(Propably did not have a voice actor back then)

[austere depot]

I am not sure I am seeing this right and need more opinions. Log: BDG-UT3-54HC. Unless I have misinterprated the log, which I may have.. there are 15000 in storage. That would be a lot!

[sudden crest]

But then why do ||striker heads and the kraken look so similar||

That can’t just be coincidence.

[topaz hollow]

The real lore reason: the virus only has limited unity model styles to use

it's an aesthetic virus, cares about its image

[ocean lake]

this tbh

[wintry knot]

Hello, Aspiring biologist here

I imagine the reason most male things look similar is that the virus causes a pressure build up within the body

This pressure would reach a breaking point in males causing the head to split and whole the tummy situation

I wouldn't take this as fact in anyway its just what I observed

[topaz flare]

thank you for sharing your wisdom with us

it cleared one thing at leat

least*

[lilac island]

When was it that the NAM-V virus started mass-spreading?

[rocky wraith]

got anywhere to read it?

[rocky wraith]

Because they are both results of infection by virus and parasite

[rocky wraith]

Yeah, Destination is the Allens homeworld and the krakens and flyers are the creatures there that have been infected for so long that they no longer resemble their original forms. It's the reason why they work with sleepers against you

[rocky wraith]

I'd ascribe it to preplanned convergent adaption with apoptosis combined with internal development to form the heads and maw shapes out of skulls. A virus/parasite preference for those shapes and formations.

[rocky wraith]

2052 I think

[wintry knot]

oo maybe, idk much about the lore Ive just kinda stared at the enemies for a while

[rocky wraith]

Worth a look into, a number of logs cover the virus, parasite and creatures and their development

[wintry knot]

Ill check it out, it does make sense. A lot of parasites try to soothe the immune system to avoid detection or auto immune responses, so forcing sleep onto an organism by draining energy would not only make the host more vulnerable but also give the parasite energy.

[austere depot]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Rundown_6.0_Logs

BDG-UT3-54HC

It also appears to be the reason behind a lot of the fetch quests for hormones and PID's.
BDG-UT3-54HC :the WRDN appears to be taking inventory of all gathered hormones. Makes use of collected PID's and redirects power from the reactors we have activated.

It all appears to have been building up to RISE, if I interpret this log correctly.

[rocky wraith]

Yup, we guessed accurately back in R6 that the WRDN would be using the hormones for RISE

[austere depot]

15000 units though?
That would be a lot.

What is interesting is the WRDN's assumption that units from RISE would be optimally better. Yet, the Schaeffer hearsay logs show something completely different.
It does not appear to act according to any objective stack or directive at all and appears motivated by seeking human contact.

It would be ironic if RISE somehow ended up being far more empathic and sympathetic than the human assets in legion.
And more free thinking.

'Free thinking' as in willing to think for itself and willingness to interact with various elements and experiment. Which it appears to do. Talking to sleepers. Calling the scouts 'friend'.

[coarse canyon]

It's just trying to maintain a brand image

[rocky wraith]

Possibly faulty neural implants, or the implants not interacting correctly as well

[lofty warren]

Neural implants? Are they confirmed for the HSU?

[rocky wraith]

Whu?

We have neural implants inserted into all the operators. And Neonate 22 and 23 had a neural implant installed as well

[wet hornet]

Neonate units have the mental capacity of children

that's why they act like this

[sudden crest]

Of course they are, neonates are children.

Specifically newborns.

[wet hornet]

invisible to sleepers but unable to do tasks

that's their only downside

[topaz flare]

hmmmmmmm no i think unit 22 did his job

aka fallowing scheaffer

trying to talk to him

cause it was fallowing scheaffer

you cant say scheaffer was fallowing it

cause we hear over and over how scheaffer runs from it

until it kills it

[wet hornet]

well in that case it did his job

[topaz flare]

ye

[wet hornet]

poor unit

got killed

[topaz flare]

and from the fact that it called scheaffer friend

the warden prop knew he needs to teamup with scheaffer or at least appeal to it

as its hands were tied behind him

[sudden crest]

rip in pepperoni baby

[topaz flare]

agree

he was a good child

[sudden crest]

Got bonked my scheaffers maul.

[topaz flare]

hope unit 23 has better luck

and this time tries to kill scheaffer

[wet hornet]

it will be killed by Henrikson xd

[topaz flare]

prop not

henrikson is smart

and has common sense

unlike scheaffer

tbh i would bet if things go out of hand and scheaffer becomes too crazy he will kill scheaffer

[stone swift]

Another log I've not yet seen posted, found on ||B4||

[lofty warren]

I think this is part of a bigger log isn’t it?

I don’t know exactly what but it does seem familiar.

[cobalt mulch]

the ebdt fragments are all available

[austere depot]

I do wonder about the childlike nature of the Neonate as well.
So far, we understand very little about the unit. I believe we can say that Schaeffer was obviously the wrong person at the wrong time to try and make sense of its ramblings. Or communicate with it in general given the mental state and what he himself was going through. His actions and paranoia paints the lens we see the awakened neonate through.

It may very well be that it is a child from our perspective, but how can we know?
The subjects from RISE are not truly human, so would it be fit to judge them by human standards?
What if it knows or sees things we do not?

[eternal talon]

because the issues with mental capacity was around before the WRDN started creating units. and so, before NAM-V was even a part of the project.

[austere depot]

Judged by whom? By what standards?

[eternal talon]

RISE was never finished. Everyone died in Garganta.

[austere depot]

Obviously, they do not obey commands like expected. As a military asset then, yes, they would probably be failures.

[eternal talon]

kovac themselves.
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=bd87743403c54cd3a931792bbf13480e&pm=s

[austere depot]

Would they think to consider other qualities?

[eternal talon]

they didn't. the WRDN did that long after they were all dead.
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=72d724eb801648ea9e98bef50df64916&pm=s

[austere depot]

Indeed. A private military contractor. What would they look for?

[eternal talon]

a faster alternative to Legion. Legion in aspects, is slow. You need fully grown adults, to kidnap them from society without anyone noticing, and up to two years to fully wipe them. RISE had the potential to have fully grown units in weeks to days, as the WRDN accomplished with the use of GLP-2.

If they could reach the same quality as legion provided, it would be significantly more efficient for them.

They just didn't because of the issues mentioned above.

and they all died before the issues could be hammered out.

We must deliver a safe, reliable, functional product and not just check the boxes you set for us. Rise can and will work, but we need to reevaluate our requirements.

We are so focused on the drive to stock Legion independently, that we are missing the quality control needed to maintain the high standard we have already set with our reformatted operatives.

[austere depot]

Indeed. But if you listen to what Unit 22 speaks of, it appears to possess some remarkable qualities. It counts its age in seconds. A lot of the answers it gives are encyclopedic.

Quotes, Audiolog: T43-777-45M
"It is my birthday. 27,354 seconds ago."
To answer if it is a prisoner
"No, I am not confined or restrained. I have not been deprived of my liberty."

[eternal talon]

and given what the head of the department says, it would seem that is not how they were.

it must be a new development by WRDN.

like the rest.

[austere depot]

Christopher Collumbus sailed to reach India and did not realize what he might come upon.
What if it is like that?
KOVAC have proven to have made a reckless decisions. They withheld the one key witness (Bishop) from the key scientists and experts after all. When you are a hammer, everything you come upon looks like a nail. What if they were too quick to dismiss the neonates as failures for not being efficient slave soldiers?

[eternal talon]

they were. that is literally the entire point.

thats why WRDN is using them

and we aren't playing as them.

[austere depot]

There you go then 👍

that was my point

[eternal talon]

no. your point mentioned that they were always like that, which they almost certainy werent.

kovac isn't that blind when success is staring them in the face.

they just didnt want to go all the way and develop it because they didn't know how.

at best it is discrediting the success of the warden.

[austere depot]

My point was KOVAC acting like the hammer KOVAC is. Seeing everything as a nail or rather, wanting everything to be a nail.
If this is the case, they may not be a credible source for how they were before. That is what I am saying.
We know the WRDN seeks to activate the RISE program, but we cannot say for sure if the WRDN performed any additional work on the program or if any of its development can be accredited to it.

[burnt wren]

We can assume that's the case using the very objectives he sends us after

Awful lot of DNA and hormone collecting

Presumably to try and brew better specimens

[austere depot]

Possibly. Unit 22 however was picked up in R2. It could have been worked upon before the processing in R3. That though, we also do not know for certain.

[austere depot]

Also, I was not accusing the WRDN of anything. I did however point my finger at KOVAC.

[eternal talon]

i know. The text you quote says the opposite. Discredit, not credit.

ie; to discredit someone is to pass off one's accomplishments as someone elses'

[austere depot]

For stating that KOVAC may not have known, or thought of a different use for the Neonates?

[eternal talon]

may not have known what.

the goal seems to be the same, they just weren't successful and the wrdn was.

[austere depot]

Yes. If the only use one could think of for a living, thinking lifeform to be a militarized automated slave, you may be right. If the WRDN succeeds in this process where KOVAC fails, it would be successful were they were not.

But in a sense, then the WRDN would be committing the same sin.

[eternal talon]

we aren't talking about sins. pure functonality.

we are all slaves down here.

morals be-gone.

it is literally a post-apocalyptic wasteland

https://tenor.com/view/apocalypse-burning-city-burning-fire-gif-17576295

[austere depot]

That is the idea. And that is literally what made the post-apocalyptic wasteland. Imagine if I melted down a shovel because it was terrible at striking nails and never realized its use was to dig.

We do not know this, but imagine if that is true for the Neonate.

that would be immense amounts of potential lost.

[eternal talon]

yes...

[austere depot]

And here I will give credit to the WRDN. We assume RISE is to replace us. That was KOVAC's vision for it, at least. What if the WRDN sees another use? And that is why it is interested in RISE?

[eternal talon]

we simply cannot know.

because now buddy ol' pal' schaeffer here really wouldn't want us seeing any pro-WRDN propaganda, now would he?

or we might end up like u22.

beaten to death with a lead pipe and left abandoned.

[harsh saffron]

Construction is moving along swiftly. The se[corrupted] walls have been completed and we will begin primary drilling by the beginning of Oct(o)ber once the walls have cured.

I put together the rest of the EBDT pieces from ALTR2 and added in most of the [corrupted] parts but I have no idea for this one section, any ideas?

[austere depot]

se[corrupted] walls: Sea walls, sector walls?

sea walls are mentioned in the Beam-weapon log (21B-789-RD4.LOG, santonian website).

[eternal talon]

garganta is close to the sea, yes.

[austere depot]

Primary drilling is mentioned in log 35YE6.log
Takes place on the 1st of August 2050 in the original version of Rundown 2.
Alt version takes place on 3rd of August (2050, I assume)

Where the two appear to differ is the assumed time for cement curation.
Clinton assumes 8 weeks in the Original
By October in the Alt would put the estimate at half the time.

[shut mountain]

Has anybody just maybe toyed with the idea that the Warden might be trying to put itself (or duplicate itself I guess), and all of it's data into a moving, human body and is also the reason why it's so insistent on this project? There are places where biocom does not reach, and if the warden by any chance realized that in a human form, they can reach, that could be interesting. Just spitting the idea here btw, probably has many holes in it, just have been thinking about it lmaooo

[austere depot]

If a computer can be Biological (Biocom)
And we do not yet know the WRDN's interest in RISE.
...I like this idea!

[stone swift]

Sorry, missed this. Any idea where I can find them?

[austere depot]

Unit 22 does appear to exhibit a savant talent for calculation, if it can count the amount of seconds that it has lived. Its answers are also encyclopaedical in the questions it does answer.
I'll say, plausible. If this is what the WRDN attempts, then unit 22 (neonate) failed. Impossible to say though to what extent it failed. And once it did fail, the WRDN immediately initiated the processing of unit 23.

[eternal talon]

why would an immortal AI want a mortal body?

garganta is littered with robot frames it could use.

[shut mountain]

Because a body is capable of moving to places where machines do not have "sight".

[eternal talon]

again, robots.

garganta is full of em

[shut mountain]

Why isnt he using robots instead of prisoners then?

Clearly a robot body is surely more resilient than of a humans then, no?

[eternal talon]

because a robot cant think like a human?

even it itself is part biological

[shut mountain]

I am saying why isnt the warden putting themselves in the robot and get it done that way?

not just using the robots

He would need connection to the robots to use them

[eternal talon]

we dont know, but why on earth would it EVER choose a human host when a robot can do the exact same things 15x better?

[eternal talon]

as he would the human host.

we can go back and forth forever.

robots > humans

[shut mountain]

I don't know, its video game logic and we dont know why the warden does what it does

But my idea is still plausible to some extent

[eternal talon]

they have grabbers, they have legs, they can do everything a human could for it without the need for useless human faculties

[shut mountain]

Can they talk?

Communication is an important factor - Unit talked to Schaeffer, wanted to communicate

In it's really weird way

[eternal talon]

how could they not? voice boxes, speakers, etc. you can use a voice synthesizer on your PC right now!

[shut mountain]

Frostty, I love you to bits, but you are so adamant on denying anybody else's fun ideas that do not fit your narrative that it's a bit hard to have a bit of fun here. I threw in the idea, but you are taking this way too seriously. I do not have proof for my theory, but you also do not have proof for the robots being able to speak

[eternal talon]

you pose a theory, I am giving my opinions based in-fact lore. Its nothing personal.

i do this to every theory

[shut mountain]

It is just a theory from my perspective, I do not want to delve too deep into it. Fun idea, book closed. It is not a 100% probability, nor is it 0%. Every argument that we can bring up cannot be disputed or confirmed because of the trillion uncertainties

We don't know what the warden wants, we dont know if robots can speak or if the warden can connect to them or not

no evidence has been provided for these factors that are hard

[eternal talon]

every good theory needs to stand up to some scrutiny. I'm not saying your wrong, i'm not saying your right, but its things to consider

[shut mountain]

Have you been here when we stuck the baby in the USB machine?

What was that expedition called I forgot

[austere depot]

I would consider if the Neonates have senses a robot does not.
We also do not know, when I think of it, the action the WRDN calculates the success rate off in log BDG-UT3-54HC.log

It could be mission ratings, it could be something else that they are wanted by the WRDN for.

[shut mountain]

The OG neonate was connected to the nFrame

Now, do we have any exact idea what that did

Like down to the T, wrote down idea

[past matrix]

we dont have any idea but we know that we had to insert DNA into the neonate for it to access the nFrame, and doing so opened up some doors

[austere depot]

Gave it language. That one we can pretty much confirm. There is a voice log for that. It comes off as gibberish.

But the Neonate repeats many of the lines heard in that gibberish. Notably: "Are you a cat or a dog person?"

[past matrix]

Bianhua, or r3d1

[shut mountain]

Dankeee

But yeah, I would not be surprised if some data from the warden, or parts of the warden were injected into that kid there. Again, I cannot confirm it obviously, we do not know, we don't have extreme hard evidence other than what we have experienced before, but a connection like that is invisible, and anything could have gotten in

Feels weird talking about a baby like that 💀

Foken GTFO

[past matrix]

i think something wacky to note is that Bianhua means a natural change, like time passing

[shut mountain]

Bianhua is methaporical as far as I know, but lemme google

"Bianhua meaning "transformation, metamorphosis" was a keyword in both Daoism and Chinese Buddhism. Daoists used bianhua describing things transforming from one type to another, such as from a caterpillar to a butterfly."

[past matrix]

.

seems like it has a lot of slightly different uses throughout history though

[austere depot]

Thought: What if the Neonates are able to read / connect / understand the 'alien signal' in log 3NY-798-65Y ?

[shut mountain]

I mean, I would not be surprised. I would not be surprised either if the sleepers were also reactive to that sound to some extent. Any steps on solving that mystery btw?

On what that sound is

Still reminds me of whale cries

Maybe vibration based? I dont know enough sciency stuff

Sounds similar to the noise that the worms used to communicate in Penumbra

[austere depot]

It was detected two months after the miners started to kill themselves.

And one month after the registered anomalies in Sigma gen KSO's

[cobalt mulch]

check dm

[austere depot]

So this broadcast was in effect when many of the psychological issues in the facility began. It may be a correlation. We have no confirmation with its effects on humans. But; we also do not know what effect it would have on the neonates, if the signal is still in effect.

[shut mountain]

Do we know if it's an infra sound

Or something thats around the bad frequencies?

It's been a while since I heard it

[austere depot]

We found a physicist in here! So let us try!
Do we have any sound / frequency experts? 👀

[shut mountain]

I'm pretty sure we do

@ them show yourself

I dont speak science

In 2003 a few British scientists did a test where they found that extreme bass sounds can cause physical symptoms - including the feeling of anxiety, sorrow and chills.

Afaik, bass is not heard, it's "felt" by the body.

Now if you are under the effect of some unheard bass, that can rock your shit I believe

[austere depot]

Underground in a mining facility.
With those giant drills they make use of.
I imagine it could happen on top of everything else (those poor guys)

...And they even got turned into jam

the ones that melted, that is

[shut mountain]

Important to note that some animals can, and do use infrasounds to communicate

Aka elephants

[shut mountain]

Yep. Also you can simply be someone who is sensitive to sounds

So you might hear something annoying but cant place your finger on it

I have this issue, I can hear electricity run a lot of times in a quiet room and it does give me a headache

[cedar eagle]

what if the sleepers developed echo location, I need that sleeper variant

[upbeat garnet]

Not just tinnitus?

[finite vine]

Could also have a correlation to NAM-V right? I think people started to suicidal and sick when the miners started to discover those chambers with the artifacts and stuff.

[topaz flare]

operating a robot remotely takes alot of power and attention + the fact that warden becomes partially blind, its not a full on AI or a really really powerful one

meaning it wont be in control of everything when its using the robot

and with the fact that everything needs to run correctly plus the fact that he needs to oversee almost all prisoner missions means it will need to take great risks by taking control of a robot

and because its a DI it prop simply won't take the chance

when there is other methods of achiving its objective

at least thats my reasoning on why it wont do it

[topaz flare]

except critical thinking and freedom on how to do something

humans can adapt

on the fly that is

no matter how much you say robots are better they are still programmed to do something

door is stuck? welp you better hope you put in its programming that it needs to go and put in commands in the terminal

because if you haven't

sorry thats a bust

[wintry knot]

I have my one personal theory that sleepers and others communicate more like crabs then they do anything else

They have sets if clicks that mean a certain thing, and if the situation calls for it they can rearrange those clicks to make new messages

[eternal talon]

What is the point of saying this at all? It's overwriting it. If WRDN takes over Shakespeare's body, he won't suddenly gain his mind and memories and become a master musician

Is a Host we are talking about

What do you even mean

[burnt wren]

Don't read too much into it.

[eternal talon]

No shit a human is smarter than a robot, but the wrdn isn't going to devolve himself to windows 10

If he would download himself Into a host, he'd keep his faculties, robot or not

Otherwise why the hell would it even be considered

Are you trying to say that he wants to have the mental capacity of a child instead of mountains of processing power and server rooms?

[austere depot]

We do not know yet the full capability of the Neonate or the final aim of the RISE project. What we know, is as you say, that KOVAC deemed them as children.
KOVAC however have also made mistakes in the past. They made a fatal one with Red Alpha to Mars. I think we should consider if they made one with the Neonates. If they miscalculated or misinterpreted their use and potential.

A fish will appear stupid if you judge it by its ability to climb a tree. In its right environment however, the fish will thrive. KOVAC is a weapons firm. That is the environment they expected the Neonate to function within. They may not have tried to see or understand what they achieved.

[eternal talon]

we aren't talking about their intelligence. theirs doesn't matter one bit in the context of the WRDN using one as a puppet.

[cedar eagle]

It's just an opinion and an idea, there's nothing wrong with disagreeing but there's no need to try to shut people down so aggressively. Let's keep it civil please

[austere depot]

I second this 👍 Civil is the way to go

[eternal talon]

i don't understand what on earth is going on

what are you guys talking about

it seems like what your saying is the complete opposite of what i am saying and still trying to make a solid thought, when we are saying completely unrelated things.

[eternal talon]

this is not wrong.

but irrelevant to the topic

[austere depot]

I just thought it was sound.
Ah, my bad then. I thought we were back on that since we were discussing just that theory yesterday 👍

[eternal talon]

we were.

the topic yesterday was about the wrdn using a neonate as a host, yes?

[austere depot]

The very one.
We will have to wait and see if the Neonates can be turned into puppets. I will find it very interesting if they cannot.
I am also curious to see if the Neonates will have access to senses humans do not. Only speculation so far, but if it is sensitive to changes across 'membranes', then that could help explain the WRDN's interest in them.

[eternal talon]

my point being, why would the intelligence of the neonate matter compared to a robot if they are being turned into a host?

it would just be the warden in both cases

[topaz flare]

i think there is a bit a miss communication here lads me included

[austere depot]

That is true. Legion is pretty robotic in the way they operate.
However, Legion, when tasked to improvise, can only be as smart as the human hosts it operates by.
And as controlled human operatives, they can only see, perceive and return data gathered from the five human senses.
The Neonates may be different in that sense, though we cannot know that yet.

[cedar eagle]

I think regardless of intelligence a human host would last much longer in the climate. I'd say they would make a better host long term

[austere depot]

I do agree. Unless what the WRDN needs is a unit capable at perceiving that which is beyond human capability to see / sense.

[cedar eagle]

that's a good point

I'm thinking over the course of decades doing the usual tasks that needs to be done it is probably easier to send humans in and out as robots are probably more prone to breaking or damage. It's gotta be incredibly humid in the complex and that can't be good for any machine. As a resource too humans are probably more efficient in how renewable they are as a resource. Who knows the size of the factories needed to produce the parts for a robot

[austere depot]

Unit 22 (grown neonate) has some interesting things to say (log: T43-777-45M.LOG)
Schafer : "Are you the Warden?"

Unit 22 "The Warden? Yes, hello my friend. I am the variant"

This it states before the ALT rundowns and before the confirmation of 'membranes'.

It may be the imprinting however.

It goes on to say "Future self should reboot."

[trim mesa]

what are Sleepers? I know very little about the lore, and I've never really understood what Sleepers are supposed to be
Are they zombies? Experiments? Bio weapons??

[topaz flare]

click on pin messages and click on Read for dummies

it should catch you up

on most things

[trim mesa]

Ahh alright, thanks

[sly spire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-bAKh_dYls

I think this may be the same "kind" of parasite that causes mutation into people in garganta (or maybe the devs took inspiration from it)
what do you think?

[austere depot]

You are definitely correct in the mutation department. The Virus / parasite symbiote causes mutations in hosts on a superscale.
Where it differs is that no mutations appear to grow alike. They alter so strongly that the scientists do not describe the genetic alterations (mutations) as 'branches', but entire new genetic trees.

[sly spire]

oh yeah! I found it really interesting!

I couldn't stop thinking about gtfo when I stumbled upon this video

[lucid charm]

question

where is r1d1's morse code

[harsh saffron]

Triggers when you open/enter the reactor room at the end
What Wheatloaf said ^^

[pearl trench]

The room before the reactor actually, you do not need to open the reactor room

[harsh saffron]

Ah mb

[deft bay]

why aren't they giving suppressors out to the prisoners

[burnt wren]

Mostly because they don't mean jackshit in current conditions.

Suppressors' primary function is suppressing muzzle flash as to prevent enemies from finding your position by sight alone.

Sleepers are already blind, from what we know, so suppressors have no effect on them. As for noise reduction: local reinforced doors seem to be doing just fine on that front.

Making your gun bigger and heavier just for shits and giggles is... Suboptimal.

[deft bay]

dont flash hiders function just the same way as that?

can we have grenades though

if that's the case

wake up the whole complex

[burnt wren]

We do have minedeployer so...

[deft bay]

barely makes any noise

[burnt wren]

Then again it seems to be a repurposed mining tool rather than a military asset.

And devs already regret adding it.

No more AoE for the our lads.

[deft bay]

maybe a repurposed flare tool modded into a thermite chucker

im new to gtfo so i dont know how the sleepers function when their blind, maybe heat signatures

[burnt wren]

That could work, but I shiver at the thogght of how many bugs fire mechanics would add.

[deft bay]

that would be cool though

[eternal talon]

if you are asking from a more official standpoint, the devs have said that they will never add explosives or any stealth ranged weapons. they claim the mine deployer was a mistake in hindsight.

[deft bay]

people would abuse bows and the like if they ever introduce it to the game i think

the spear already leans into that

[burnt wren]

Nah, the opposite.

They would be underused.

[eternal talon]

well i dont think there would be bows down here to begin with.

[burnt wren]

We already have melee.

[eternal talon]

its all ex-military tech

mostly in states of disrepair

[deft bay]

KOVAC "Defense" Units

and uses old military tech

[eternal talon]

a private military contractor, yes.

but keep in mind they've all been dead for a decade

nobody is repairing our equipment

[deft bay]

its 2050 how tf they broke as hell

[eternal talon]

it is 2063.

[burnt wren]

They're dead

That's hiw broke

[eternal talon]

please give the 'lore for dummies' in the pins of this channel a read.

everyone has been dead... for a long time

[deft bay]

so the surface is gone?

[eternal talon]

almost entirely

[burnt wren]

As far as we know

[deft bay]

oh my fucking god

[eternal talon]

all you could expect is isolated groups of people and nomadic tribesmen on islands.

[deft bay]

and the warden is an AI?

[burnt wren]

Maybe small clusters of survivors, some distant village