gtfo-lore

[leaden kite]

is it a temporary or permanent solution

assuming the user dosent get re infected

[topaz flare]

there is no perm solution even the HSUs dont work perm

casue the virus is so unstable

and mutating so fast

and always

thats why after you go inside the hsu

and drop for your next objective

[leaden kite]

ye

[topaz flare]

you still take infaction

infection*

[leaden kite]

so i would imagine the HSU's and dissinfection just kinda take the proggress of the virus and slowly wind it back down to zero

but then once your out of HSU its still there so it just starts over

[topaz flare]

the infection is prop on our skin

not in our well

insides

[leaden kite]

i dont think it would make sense if the hsu's paused the infection instead of regressing it?

oh

alr

[topaz flare]

thats why you hear cizzling

when you go inside fog

cause its burning your skin

everyone in the hsus have masks

and filters

even scheaffers crazy ass

[leaden kite]

yeah haha

[topaz flare]

also again i will say

IT IS NOT SAFE TO GIVE SCHEAFFER THE WARDEN

[leaden kite]

?

wdym

[topaz flare]

in R7 you take over the warden

[leaden kite]

oh shit

[topaz flare]

aka scheaffer takes control of the warden

AND SCHEAFFER IS A UNSTABLE PERSON

[leaden kite]

okok i needa finish that

[topaz flare]

OH YES LETS GIVE THE MOST UNSTABLE PERSON IN THE ROOM THE AI THAT WORKS EVERYTHING!

yes very good

also we are all criminals

[leaden kite]

i only have one other mate to play with and we aint anything special when it comes to skill so we cant really get past C tiers

[topaz flare]

i rather be down in the complex with warden overlooking for us

than scheaffer having it

[topaz flare]

try lfg channels

and #how-to-matchmake

[leaden kite]

tbf from their perspective all they know is that they are being put down in this hell to do this things bidding for them

[topaz flare]

trust it helps

and its fun

[leaden kite]

kk

[topaz flare]

no

cause we have memories

we are not simple drones

[leaden kite]

when im up for it i will

[topaz flare]

heres something to know

our 4 charecters

woods dauda hackett and bishop

haven't died once

they went through R1 to R7 on PE on all levels aka did every objectives without dying once

[leaden kite]

i figured that much

[topaz flare]

THEY ARE GIGACHADS

and they also have there memory to some extend

thats why they are good

cause they can make chooices

others cant

[leaden kite]

is there any explanation for that or is it just a thing that is?

[topaz flare]

you just get it back

over time

the hsus make you forget everything over and over again

but we somehow kept them to an extend

[leaden kite]

even after going in and out of HSU?

ah ok

[topaz flare]

we dont know our past

or that far of a memory

but we have enough to make choices

the reason why warden wanted empty husks is because it feels like sleepers act on emotions

[leaden kite]

?

[topaz flare]

do you know the skin walker?

[leaden kite]

nop

[topaz flare]

the thing scheaffer killed in R6

[leaden kite]

oh

kinda

[topaz flare]

that thing didn't alert sleepers

it just walked through them

cause it didn't have emotions

or humanity

it was just an husk

with an objective

[leaden kite]

didnt they kill it eventually tho?

[topaz flare]

yes

scheaffer did

not us

[leaden kite]

oh

i thought the sleepers did

[topaz flare]

thats why we must make a new one

aka the baby in R7

the small hsu

[topaz flare]

no

[leaden kite]

the neonate?

[topaz flare]

yes

in R3

we had another neonate

that was made into the skin walker

or blueskin

depends on what you call it

[leaden kite]

(i never played R3 just keep in mind)

[topaz flare]

i know

thats why im giving context

[leaden kite]

ye ye

just making sure you know

[topaz flare]

in R3 you do the same things you did in R7

to hatch the baby

[leaden kite]

is that sorta tying into the whole RISE thing?

[topaz flare]

almost you dont hatch it completely in R3 cause the system did it automaticlly

[leaden kite]

or different

[topaz flare]

idk what that means

give context please

[leaden kite]

the rise program?

about sorta replacing legion

[topaz flare]

ahh that

yes its that

[leaden kite]

ya oki

[topaz flare]

legion programm was a failure almost

except us

cause we are gigachads

[leaden kite]

i always wondered that

considering you dont see a bunch of other HSU units on the wall when you wake up

[topaz flare]

in R5

you go down to KDS deep to wake up more

that you succeed

something that no other legionary managed to do

cause they were only mindless drones

but we...

we are more than drones

KDS deep has a stockpile of alot and i meant alot of new hsus

[leaden kite]

what happened withe the others that woke up?

[topaz flare]

you turn the system on and let the warden in on the sector

[topaz flare]

we dont know

warden prop used them

until scheaffer took control

that i will say again

is not a good idea!

[leaden kite]

did he like properly take over?

[topaz flare]

yes

him and Hendrickson my fav charecter other than dr. stone/stroke and bishop

in R7E1

you reboot the reactor

for a full reboot

i wont say much

cause no spoilers for D2

[leaden kite]

kk

ill see about playing it soon ish

quickly back to what i said before though

i still think that even with the memories that our characters have, they would still see the warden as an enemy

i did before i learnt everything i did tonight

now i think it might be the only thin giving whats left (if there is anything left) of humanity a chance

[topaz flare]

they dont have full memory

if they had hackett would not see warden as enemy

[eternal talon]

we don't know.

[topaz flare]

sad

[eternal talon]

we don't know. it is a plot hole at current.

[leaden kite]

ye

i figured as much

[topaz flare]

context: hackett wanted to be put in the program

[eternal talon]

he can but he doesn't. he doesn't want to lose his memories.

[leaden kite]

i didnt even realise we knew as much about the warden as we do

[leaden kite]

i know

[topaz flare]

i dont think the disinfection makes you lose your memory

its something else that does it

bishop prop wont either

unless its a diff universe bishop

in that case maybe

[eternal talon]

in the rebecca stokes audio logs in r6c3 you can hear a very robotic sounding bishop. in some way, we have more freedom to think and be individuals under WRDN than we did under biocom.

[topaz flare]

stokes!

thats the name

not stone im fucking deaf

[eternal talon]

i wouldn't say it was a failure. garganta has 32,000 HSUs.

[topaz flare]

i meant for the purpose of what it was meant to do

yes but it did not bring results

of being a full husk

[leaden kite]

i still reckon from what they 4 lads know they would think that taking over the warden and getting out of the complex would be there best move. it obv isnt but i doubt they know that

[eternal talon]

even getting in for a second. the intensity just ramps up over time. to approx 2 years for a full wipe. besides, once you get in, you cant let yourself out.

someone has to get you out.

in medical terms you are basically in a forced coma

and are basically 'dead'

[topaz flare]

but disinfection packs

are not the same

[eternal talon]

are an anomoly

no fucking clue how they work

same with DISINFEC stations

[topaz flare]

look at it just be water

😄

[topaz flare]

yes but also no

cause they do read logs of how everything outside of the complex has gone to shit

and even scheaffer says in R6D1

what if this is all that is left

what if there is no outside world anymore

and there isn't

his right

[eternal talon]

there almost certainly isn't any civilization left on the surface.

[topaz flare]

and the 4 gigachads also know that

[eternal talon]

only isolated groups.

[topaz flare]

up

yep*

[eternal talon]

by ~2052 4 billion were dead.

[leaden kite]

gtfo is such a mind fuck holy shit

[topaz flare]

thats cause the lore didn't begin

[eternal talon]

it is currently at MINIMUM 2063

[topaz flare]

until R6 drop

and R5

[eternal talon]

as that was the year r3 takes place.

[topaz flare]

one of this groups could be the one that looks after warden

[eternal talon]

that would assume anyone can/would be stupid enough to get down here.

[leaden kite]

and maybe the ont that installed it in the first place

[eternal talon]

biocom's servers are deep within KDS deep

over a thousand meters down

[topaz flare]

remote control can be something

[sudden crest]

I can’t wait to fight the WRDN and it be a giant robot.

[topaz flare]

warden could be used remotly

but biocom not

[leaden kite]

hold up lemme just rant about something that may not make any sense real quick

[topaz flare]

and thats why we go to KDS deep

[eternal talon]

(yes, i know r7d2 isn't in KDS-DEEP. it seems to be some kind of server hub like a local memory bank)

[topaz flare]

to wake the system up

[leaden kite]

first up lemme ask who installed biocom (which company)

[topaz flare]

R7D2 is where warden is placed

biocom is not warden

[eternal talon]

to give WRDN access to the terminal system that schaeffer locked down so that it could access the 24,000 KSOs within.

[leaden kite]

i know

[eternal talon]

we have no evidence for this.

[topaz flare]

santonian

[eternal talon]

wrong. BIOCOM is a KOVAC installation

[topaz flare]

the room seems like a damn power core wdym

[topaz flare]

is it?

i didn't know that

thx

[eternal talon]

it says kovac on the bloody door

and in a large majority of the logs

[topaz flare]

if biocom is made by kovac

than warden is also can be there creation no?

[leaden kite]

alr and if i am not mistaken wasnt there one (or a few more) people who were a little on the suspicious side of the whole thing?

that didnt work for KOVAC

[eternal talon]

right now we have it narrowed to exactly two possibilities.

[topaz flare]

yes

and almost all of them died

or missing at the moment

[eternal talon]

Piros is lying to santonian management in an email, and they made the wrdn as a failsafe, or Piros is telling the truth and it is from an alternate world-line/allen made

[topaz flare]

or just dont know what happened to them

[topaz flare]

so is it kovac made?

[eternal talon]

we dont know.

it is one of those two.

[topaz flare]

if it is it makes sense

[leaden kite]

what if (this is the part that may not make any sense) one or more of these people got together and tried making a back door kind of system to infiltrate and take over biocom in the even that it went rouge and attempted to take over the whole of garagnta

[topaz flare]

for the warden memory core to be in R7D2

[leaden kite]

that being warden

[eternal talon]

we have no evidence that any "warden memory core" is in r7d2

[topaz flare]

i hate that you may be right

[eternal talon]

schaeffer isn't connecting to the warden

he is connecting to biocom

it is essentially two puppeteers controlling the same set of strings

both are controlling biocom

[topaz flare]

than what tf is the powercore for!

ahhhhhhhh

[eternal talon]

what powercore

[topaz flare]

it doesn't make sense

for it to be there

[eternal talon]

do you have a source?

[leaden kite]

coz would be crazy enough and have the resources to get all the way down to biocom, and then somehow hack into it?

[eternal talon]

this isn't a power core

[topaz flare]

yes the room in R7D2 it is mostly called a power core room in most medias

it is a ball where the essential things are held for control management of the system

[leaden kite]

unless they where already in garganta and had the time, skills, and resources to find a way to break through biocoms firewalls

[topaz flare]

at least thats what i remember ppl calling it other than a letteral powercore

[eternal talon]

it appears to me to be a cooling system with a storage system below where we insert the memory stick

why would you insert an HHD into a PSU?

[topaz flare]

i mean we found a bishop mask without bishop missing it

so it can happen

[eternal talon]

i've never heard/seen this allocation before.

[topaz flare]

sad

[leaden kite]

what do you mean?

[eternal talon]

and i've seen no evidence for it to be so

[topaz flare]

R1B2/B1

or a level in R1

[leaden kite]

i know the mask and bishop thing

[topaz flare]

you read a log saying we found bishops mask

without him losing it

[eternal talon]

essentially, alt//r1 is a different world-line earth to ours.

[leaden kite]

but how does that tie into what i was saying?

[topaz flare]

meaning there is time and timeline problems

[eternal talon]

there are two bishops

our bishop, and that world-line's bishop

[topaz flare]

yes

thats what i meant

[topaz flare]

multiverse

[eternal talon]

and presumably duplicates of every other person on that earth

[topaz flare]

or multiple earths

[eternal talon]

allen multi-dimensional travel between time and space and universes

[topaz flare]

cause R6D4 was a thing

[leaden kite]

ok ive been turned around

i dont know what any of this means any more lmao

[eternal talon]

its a mess of barbed wire and needles, yes.

[topaz flare]

do you know what a multiverse is

yes?

alright you won

[eternal talon]

alright, simply:

[leaden kite]

like i said this and then you mentioned the bishop mask thing

[eternal talon]

the allens discovered something called a quantum frequency

[leaden kite]

and i ahve no clue how what i said tied to bishops mask timeline thing

[eternal talon]

every universe that ever exists or will exist has a quantum frequency

[topaz flare]

simply when you go inside other dimension you may be going to another universe

[eternal talon]

one where you decided to go to college, one where you didn't for example, literally every possible variation is a different universe

[leaden kite]

like what can happen?

[eternal talon]

the allens, with the use of the MWP, can transport between these world-lines, as they are scientifically called

[topaz flare]

there may be a timeline where you died...

where bishop died

and his mask is just there

[eternal talon]

in r6d4 for example, we visit multiple different world-line earths through the use of tampered data cubes

[leaden kite]

but how does that go with this??

[topaz flare]

but it seems all universes have some kind of connection

[eternal talon]

somehow, in the alt rundowns, our squad is in a different world-line earth, that is slower than our own

while ours is r7+, theirs is still back in r1 now r2

[leaden kite]

and my warden being a backdoor warden theory

[eternal talon]

we aren't travelling back in time

[topaz flare]

and we somehow went to there timeline

[eternal talon]

we are traveling to a different universe that was slower to progress in events than ours

[topaz flare]

thats why the rooms in R1 alt or R2 alt are still there and not cleared

[eternal talon]

so now there are 2 daudas, 2 hacketts, 2 woods, 2 bishops, 2 wardens, 2 stokes, etc etc

[leaden kite]

that all makes perfect sense

[topaz flare]

they are not the same

cause there is differences

between worlds

[eternal talon]

our world-lines have somehow merged, some people like @rocky wraith speculate.

[topaz flare]

and thats why sleepers are around

[leaden kite]

but please just simplify how it ties in with my warden back door theory and this

[topaz flare]

most likely another unviverses fucking bio weapon

or virus

that killed it

but because we merged

it came into our world

[rocky wraith]

wwha

I have been summoned

[eternal talon]

well the meteor came to our earth from destination, what most people consider the allen's homeworld

[topaz flare]

we don't know fully yet but other versions may met each other and hatched a plan

to...

well

[eternal talon]

it just presumably came to tons of different earths from tons of different destinations

[topaz flare]

make warden

[eternal talon]

as like an array of escape pods

even though its only one ship

[leaden kite]

ok that kinda makes a connection

[rocky wraith]

the other shaefers sharing memories again

[eternal talon]

just through different world-lines, it appears as though its many, but its different variations of the SAME events

[topaz flare]

in R6D1 scheaffer also says

what if you are the warden?

and leaves

creeped out

[eternal talon]

also radio man.

[rocky wraith]

yup

[rocky wraith]

this audio log has gotta be one of my faves

[topaz flare]

aka we are in a multiverses crisis that we have to fix in R8most likely

[eternal talon]

is that me? or who i was before

something like that

[topaz flare]

ye

[rocky wraith]

yup

[topaz flare]

his unstable yes

but it could also be that he can hear his own voices

[leaden kite]

dude this game is so much stranger than i realised

[topaz flare]

from other earths

[leaden kite]

sorry to leav ya boys but ima go catch some shut eye

[rocky wraith]

unstable because of the hsu, or unstable because his memories are merging with other versions of himself

[eternal talon]

when the simplest lore explanation in 6+ paragraphs...

[topaz flare]

merging

he was already unstable

before joining the company

[leaden kite]

ive overloaded my brain enough tonight

[leaden kite]

fr

[topaz flare]

it is a fun lore

like its very good

[rocky wraith]

It's very gud

[leaden kite]

yes

it is

[topaz flare]

if anything i would stick to the game only for the lore

[leaden kite]

but its so much to take in all in an hour or two

[topaz flare]

mostly because i love the concept of multiverse

and omni verse

[eternal talon]

well i mean it is compressing hundreds of logs

[leaden kite]

yup

[eternal talon]

usually this shit takes weeks to compile

[rocky wraith]

when it takes longer to explain the lore than it does to play the game

[topaz flare]

and this is why i respect frostty

[leaden kite]

and i like that i can make a theory and it can kinda make sense

[eternal talon]

not enough gtfo-lore, i write my own in the meantime

[topaz flare]

Real

[eternal talon]

lel

[leaden kite]

figuring out my own shit feels like something to me ig haha

[topaz flare]

well you are welcome to chat in here

i enjoyed it at least

i be going to dinner now

[leaden kite]

oh ill probably be back

i think my theory about the warden being a backdoor made by people who didnt like biocoms suspicious activity is one to think about

also the shaffer not getting infected thing (although that one might have been explained away)

[eternal talon]

well we know now it isn't. santonian directly asked kovac about the source of it in an email in alt//r2

[rocky wraith]

Makes sense considering Andrews paranoia and how Andrew rearranged is Warden

[eternal talon]

it is either a secret made by the higher-ups at KOVAC, or is allen.

either piros is lying or he isnt

in that email

[rocky wraith]

And andrew has direct access to modifying it

[leaden kite]

interesting

[rocky wraith]

best explained here

[leaden kite]

im sure it could be easily disproven (frost man already has by the looks of it) seeing as it was just a random thought pulled out of a 16 year olds ass

[rocky wraith]

Back door theory is highly credible

[eternal talon]

here is the email

[leaden kite]

haha thats nice to hear actually

[rocky wraith]

Don't believe frost all the time or let him discredit you, Frost has made many mistakes before

[eternal talon]

like

[rocky wraith]

we're all human

[eternal talon]

i try to not take a stance if i'm not damnwell sure

[leaden kite]

these emails are actually what sparked the theory

[rocky wraith]

uhuh

[rocky wraith]

this one honestly makes me further believe wrdn is a backdoor

[eternal talon]

i was right about the fucking allens, man

[leaden kite]

because i looked at the two talking, one was 100% his system was fullproof and the other was skeptical as fuck that something strange wasnt going down

[eternal talon]

people talked like i was a crackhead for literally 2 rundowns

[leaden kite]

again same

[eternal talon]

by kovac, not by smc

[leaden kite]

not that email exactly but the whole email exchange they had

[eternal talon]

because its smc asking kovac about why its being wierd

they wouldnt be asking if they did it themselves

[rocky wraith]

yup

I just had a brainblast

hold on

[leaden kite]

this should be good

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-office-dwight-schrute-sniper-gif-25130487

[rocky wraith]

there was a log

where Shaefer was being told off for associating with Artus

I know it exists

I read it recently

must not be updated to the site yet

but it talks about how the guy when telling off shaefer says

"you are not a pit boss"

And I suddenly realised after the timeline stuff

that log must have come from an ALT timeline

AND IF IT DOES

THAT WOULD GIVE US THE LOCAL IDS as it was an email

AND THOSE LOCAL IDS WOULD TELL US WHICH MEMBRANE THE ALT IS IN

Frostty I read it to you in fact

I read it outloud

uhhhh

that mission with the uh uplinks

far right side terminal

[leaden kite]

continue what your saying but when your finished could you tell me what a membrane is?

[topaz flare]

you know what would be funny

[rocky wraith]

membrane ID is how we think the WRDN is cataloguing the timelines

[leaden kite]

ah ok

[topaz flare]

if at the end of R8 we see ourself

and they tell us GJ

you saved the world

[leaden kite]

didnt realise it was aware of the timeline stuff itself

[rocky wraith]

oh yeah, The warden is tracking all the changes in meta files

tracking changes in personal local IDs

[topaz flare]

in R7C2 it tells you watch out dimensional rift incoming

plus all of R6

[rocky wraith]

like how one of the guys accidentally shifted membranes but only the wrdn noticed

Hammerstein

he swapped realities

[topaz flare]

and only warden noticed

nobody else did

i think himself noticed a bit

[leaden kite]

do we know how long the warden has been active?

[topaz flare]

well before R1

[leaden kite]

because i had no clue he was around when people still inhabitted garganta

[rocky wraith]

While everyone was still alive

[topaz flare]

prop from 2060 or less

[rocky wraith]

before even that

[topaz flare]

yeah i forgot about that part

[rocky wraith]

it was staying quiet and testing how far it could push operators before others would notice

[topaz flare]

the fact warden stopped biocom from shutting down every reactor

or was it biocom that stopped it?

[rocky wraith]

not sure about that

but I do know that warden was seeking more reactor power

[topaz flare]

i know one of them tried to shutdown the whole place and the other stopped it

prop warden stopped it cause warden is DAI

[leaden kite]

was that why there was some dude that was ordered to stay in a storage cupboard for 6 mins?

[topaz flare]

and biocom is well living

[rocky wraith]

yup

[topaz flare]

yep

did ppl ever notice?

[rocky wraith]

yeah

[topaz flare]

when?

[rocky wraith]

the last log linked

[leaden kite]

also where thoser operatives also dealing with sleepers?

[topaz flare]

where is the log itself?

[rocky wraith]

when Lorde was complaining about overeach of outhority

[topaz flare]

ahhh

[rocky wraith]

There's 2, they are near identical, except

[topaz flare]

i dont remember sorry xd

[topaz flare]

prop not

[rocky wraith]

one of the logs is from R5 I think

[leaden kite]

kk

[rocky wraith]

and the other is an ALT log from another timeline

[topaz flare]

ofc

[leaden kite]

alright fellas as much as this is all very VERY interesting i needa sleep

[topaz flare]

GOD THIS FEELS WRONG!!!!

[leaden kite]

so goodnight fellas

[topaz flare]

aight

we are truly in a multiverse crisis if same things happen

almost identical

[rocky wraith]

98G-SDC-2WH.LOG and FTR-044-V.LOG

[rocky wraith]

nini

[topaz flare]

unless the laws of the multiverse in this fandom is different than most

(multiverse not omniverse)

oh well

i be going as well

until next time

[rocky wraith]

Compare these two logs side by side

[topaz flare]

that we find our four characters talking to us or saying weird stuff

[rocky wraith]

It's trippy af

[austere depot]

@leaden kite I have good reason to believe that Andrew Clinton is a candidate for the 'backdoor theory'.
Other reasons than Warden being an Anagram for Andrew.. because you are right. That does indeed sound like something a 16-year old would come up with (which is why it is funny).

That though, is just a fun fact. The real reasons is how he is constantly brought up, overstepped his bounds and questioned his rank.
Speaking of which:

I believe Log: EBDT-0BE205 ties to Log: EBDT-0BE204

First: Nearly identical serials.

EBDT-0BE204
">>ENC: [corrupted]ject as possible. I have a list of the McCallister contractors that have shown themselves to be high risk. If you would like me to send the list to Mr. Werner and tidy up the records, let me k[corrupted]w.

One last thing - is there a reason I only have B tie[corrupted]"

Continued in EBDT-0BE205
https://i.gyazo.com/5947f234c8025cdfc3af7f3f428cf852.png

(only have the image for this. Apologies.)

I cannot fully confirm this however. Andrew is believed to be dead. The helipad he was believed to be on was incinerated October 12th 2053. The logs do not fully confirm his death. He was 'believed' to be there and they found no trace of him. If he was still alive, Biocom is likely to have immediately tracked him.. if not, he would have needed a way to hide from it. Someone helping him or perhaps access to Biocom himself (backdoor).

Second oddity, which others have pointed out, is the targeting of the helipad from the beam weapon logged to have ludicrous precision. For whatever reason the hangar was struck, Clinton was near it and perhaps involved in it. He may even have been, though we do not know (yet), been specifically targeted by the energy weapon.

[harsh saffron]

That's most certainly the case, the og R2 also had the same system with 1 email split up between multiple logs.

[austere depot]

True!

So now, at least in ALT//: R2, he does not only figuratively question his own rank. He does it literally to his own boss.

Funny thing is if Andrew did not constantly overstep bounds, question rank and make underhanded decisions - he probably would be A-Tier.

If not for Andrew though, we would not have had Schaeffer.

I am going to ask something really stupid..
I look at the levels and realize: I have no idea what levels are located at what depth in the complex.

[finite vine]

just because santonian asked kovac about why biocom was acting up doesn’t mean wrdn can’t be a back door.

maybe kovac had no idea why biocom was acting up... there could be two reasons for biocom acting up.

1. biocom itself was beginning to evolve and kovac could not control it. so when santonian asked kovac what was happening, maybe they knew, or maybe santonian pointed out the new concern to kovac that the were not paying attention to.
2. someone or something installed wrdn into the biocom system as a backdoor to control it / gather information. this could of been kovac, or some random higher up, or even some random elite programmer, or aliens, we really would have no idea.

so yea i personally think the door is still open for countless possibilities. kovac might of known about biocom acting up, but that does not mean they were responsible for it.

also, when was the first hard evidence of the wrdn being in the system? do we even know if biocom was acting up because of the wrdn? it could of just been evolving on its own.

maybe biocom turned evil and shaeffer released a beast by placing a trojan into the warden...

[severe prairie]

the powerful beams usually only targeted large densities of sleepers within garganta right? so we don't know why Andrew's heli was targeted right?

[topaz flare]

wait... if what your saying is true on the 2nd point you made

does that mean R7D2 is a access point to biocom?

also as i remember biocom was acting up on its own

and than warden stopped it from doing some stuff

like shutting down all reactors

i forgot what log it was in

[severe prairie]

yep it is

[topaz flare]

welp

now we feel stupid

[severe prairie]

now basically schaeffer has access to BIOCOM the same as WRDEN

[topaz flare]

yeah... we are fucked

not only we are in a multiverse crisis

we also gave access to the most important tool to a unstable person

now that would not be bad

[severe prairie]

we still don't know what he will do, we have to see. But... it aint looking good. There are no good and bad sides here

[topaz flare]

but we gave access to a unstable super smart person!

ITS EVEN WORSE

[topaz flare]

its on the players to choose

[severe prairie]

kinda sad that they are forced to do the same things over and over again on different universes

[topaz flare]

i say this cause scheaffer not only survived the complex

he found a way to do what he needs to

every time

[topaz flare]

yeah

but oh well

at the end of it were just going to save the world!

yeah?

right team...

silence

[severe prairie]

they all dead XDD

im still kinda confused on the concept of membranes

membranes are basically different multiverses?

[topaz flare]

no not multiverses

[severe prairie]

someone said something about different membranes merging.

[topaz flare]

universes

we never went above multiverse

if we did we go to omniverse

and everything is contained in the omniverse

aka diff fandoms

think of it like that

[severe prairie]

ehhh.....

so membranes are far away universes

on a different frequency

[topaz flare]

ok lets ahhhh

think of them as orbs

and each universe is a orb

now what is happening is

our universe and some others

are clashing into each other

and merging

[severe prairie]

so our orb and another orb is merging

[topaz flare]

but there not suppose to do that

yes

and prop some other orbs

and that is not suppose to do that

universes are very big

and them merging on massive scale aka more than 2

is very very bad

[severe prairie]

wait so what happens if orbs collide

im guessing we have seen the effects

in the game or lore

[topaz flare]

a new universe is born if they fully merg

but at the moment

yes we did

R6

R7C2

is best example

when you suddenly are sent to another universe

as warden says

be ready unexpected dimension rift

that is caused by the universes colliding and starting to merg with each other

you can think of it a sewing

like how you sew diff fabrics into each other

its bad

[severe prairie]

Didn't we get sent to destination

[topaz flare]

in this multiverse the way you connect with other universes is destinations

and quantum frequency

to find other universes

and access them

very cool stuff that we dont have alot of info

[severe prairie]

so its a space in between orbs

[topaz flare]

hmmmmmm

give me a moment

[severe prairie]

hmmmmmmm

XD im so sorry, im just so confused

[topaz flare]

im trying to fix that

lets see if this works

alright it does the job

you see those 3 orbs

and the line between them

think of the orbs as universes and the line as the quantum frequency

when you find the right frequency you can move between those lines

to another universe

@severe prairie did you understand?

if you got any questions

ask away

i love talking about this stuff

all day long

[topaz flare]

also i know its very shitty but oh well

[severe prairie]

hm

so different frequencies also mean that time moves in different speeds

[topaz flare]

fixed

[topaz flare]

yes

well no the frequinceis are a gateway

to another universe

every universe has its own time

[severe prairie]

and destination is somewhere in the black lines

[severe prairie]

ahh

[topaz flare]

wdym by destination

you mean the desert?

[severe prairie]

the desert wasteland

or is it one of the orbs

[topaz flare]

no but we use this black lines to get to it

its one of the orbs

and we use the black line to travel to it

and travel back

[severe prairie]

and destination is most likely the orb that had the NAM-V right before us

[topaz flare]

yes

cause time moves faster

in that universe

most likely

[topaz flare]

this is just an example one orb may have multiple black lines going out of it

into diff universes

in R6D4 we move universes 3 to 5 time

[severe prairie]

so in one of the logs, a researcher says that he has seen different sleepers with different genetics and different evolutions. Does this mean that different sleepers have came from different orbs?

[severe prairie]

but wasn't it confirmed as not canon?

[topaz flare]

no they come from the virus unstable grounds

the virus

is well unstable

very very unstable

meaning it mutates really fast

you may ask but what does that mean?

well what that means is every sleeper mutated on its own acord

one sleeper may not be like another one

[severe prairie]

so it doesn't need to have an offspring to have its genes changed?

[topaz flare]

chargers-shooters-spitters-giants-tanks-moms-strikers

there are all a strand of the virus

a mutation that happened inside a person

[topaz flare]

no

for example

a strand of the virus

become airborn

making the fog

making infection fog

so it doesn't rely on the prasite anymore

at least that strand of it

think of it like ahhhhhhhhhhhh give me a mometn

like this photo i stolen from google

[severe prairie]

hmmmm

[topaz flare]

its avery bad photo

cause of resolution

but you get the idea no?

[severe prairie]

ohhh

[topaz flare]

but its like this instead

thats the virus

and its mutations

[severe prairie]

so like every different mob type

[topaz flare]

yes

the kraken

the flyers

and so fourth

and more and more and more

[severe prairie]

stems from the same NAM-V gene but mutated

[topaz flare]

yes

[severe prairie]

.... mutated alot

[topaz flare]

thats why i think nam-V is a bio weapon

made by another universe

but because of a multiverses collapse it came to ours

multiverses collapse is when alot of orbs start merging

and colliding

[severe prairie]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[topaz flare]

prop more cause we don't see the outside world

those mutations

are inside garganta

aka the starting point

we know it was really bad cause alot of ppl died in span of 2 months

[severe prairie]

But we haven't seen a log or audio file that parasites has made it up to the ground right?

[topaz flare]

that wont happen

unless mutations

[topaz flare]

we have

a lot of logs

look at well R7 logs

in C2

first terminal you see

[severe prairie]

but we still theorize that the virus has made its way through multiple orbs/membranes right?

[topaz flare]

the surge terminal

[topaz flare]

may

we don't know

[severe prairie]

do we know the cause?

[topaz flare]

nope

but whatever it is

OH BOY IS IT BIG

[severe prairie]

what does it say?

[topaz flare]

it talks about the outbreak

and dates on like oh nato is out

us is almost gone

and stuff like how the end of the world has come

in R6

you have logs

that say there is a outbreak of a unknown virus

but!

[severe prairie]

xDD

[topaz flare]

the best evedence

is in R6A1

where there is a military announcement for a virus

and how ppl should stay in home

sighs of infections are
foaming in mouth
sensetive to light
and therobing

and muscle crams

aka a normal sleeper

prop before mutation happened

[severe prairie]

yepppp

[topaz flare]

well any other questions

[severe prairie]

wait you know how there are random dead researchers that looks like they died right as they were being transformed into a sleeper?

[topaz flare]

yes?

[severe prairie]

with their heads opening up and them crouched

[topaz flare]

yes

[severe prairie]

were they just not compatible with the virus?

[topaz flare]

prop not the certain mutation type

that tried to take them

funny fact

humans bodies are not built for that

[severe prairie]

Also lastly, the random beams of destruction that destroyed Andrew clinton's helicopter and potentially took his life

[topaz flare]

our dna will commit sudoku if we try to mutate ourselfs rapidly and fastly

[severe prairie]

but how-

parasite?

[topaz flare]

i don't know about that

[topaz flare]

wdym?

whats the parasite going to do?

[severe prairie]

the sleepers we see, aren't some of them of human origin

or are they all alien

[topaz flare]

idk

i don't have the answers

sorry ):

the only reason i could help you out alot with the universe thing is that i like those stuff

and i know alot

so i just pieced it all next to each other

to understand how it works

[severe prairie]

ahhh I see

[topaz flare]

and whats happening

[finite vine]

idk I kind of see it as the orbs themselves have different frequencies, and there are no lines. the MWP just picks up the different frequencies and switches frequencies, transporting things from one frequency to the other

[severe prairie]

thank you though, i learned alot

[topaz flare]

that would be nice if there wasn't dead space between each universe

that nothing lives

[topaz flare]

your welcome hope you got some answers

[finite vine]

wdym “dead space”

[topaz flare]

ok let me phrase it

how would that work?

extactly

like a teleporter?

sky!!!

i need more explanation on what you meant

@severe prairie this is a better photo for it

now imagine those 2 very very close to each other

[finite vine]

I said that I see it as there are multiple universes, each with their own quantum frequency.

instead of the lines to get between them having their own quantum frequency

[rocky wraith]

This is more string theory than your dimension stuff

A changing of numbers than dead space

[topaz flare]

but how would you travel between them?

[severe prairie]

so one of the orbs contains their "Milky way", "Andromeda" etc.

[topaz flare]

but also i understand what you meant

[finite vine]

the Matter Wave Projector.

[topaz flare]

yeah i see now

[finite vine]

by locking in to quantum frequencies from other universes

[topaz flare]

tbh i used strings and lines to help spymeme understand

[rocky wraith]

LMAO no it doesn't especially if you know what genes to target

[topaz flare]

can you teach me?

[rocky wraith]

For example targeting specific RAS pathways and P53 stops cells scenescing while undergoing rapid mutations

[finite vine]

I think the only thing we can say though is that there are multiple universes/ dimensions that each have their own specific quantum frequency and the MWP enables travel between the different universes/ dimensions.

[topaz flare]

yes

[rocky wraith]

The parasite likely targets these genes because they are conserved across species

[topaz flare]

and all of them are for some reason colliding a bit or alot

[topaz flare]

i see...

so what would be the reason for the dead bodies?

is it because the bodies are dead before transformation?

[rocky wraith]

either murked while going through, suicide , or failed to transform

[severe prairie]

fuuuuuuck man, we won't get answers until r8 and its still ways away 😔

[topaz flare]

i see thanks for the answer i learned from it

[topaz flare]

sad

[finite vine]

what causes NAM-V to mutate people again? I remember from a log it was somatic mutation. what is that?

[rocky wraith]

somatic means non-germline

[finite vine]

yea I would bet it’s like a year or two away honestly

[topaz flare]

with how devs are going?

nah mate its 5 years from now

[finite vine]

i’m not familiar with that term

[severe prairie]

im guessing they are also focusing on the alternate rundowns and that new ip they talked about

[rocky wraith]

Nam-v probably has specific nucleases or cleavage enzymes designed for DNA mutation, many viruses contain their own proto-oncogenes that precipitate mutations anyway

[topaz flare]

if you mean the fact that we are going to collide one day? yes

[finite vine]

new ip?

[topaz flare]

also fun fact

new game

[rocky wraith]

basically somatic is cells like skin cells, bone, differentiated. Germline are like embryonic, or sex cells

[topaz flare]

they are working on it

no title yet

[finite vine]

oh yea they are for sure focusing on the new game

I would bet that’s why they decided to to the alternate rundowns in the first place

[severe prairie]

in a recent interview

or not recent idk

[topaz flare]

fun fact: it may not even be a crisis cause universes and at some point multiverses do collapse

and make a new multiverse

[severe prairie]

they said that they will also be making a new game

[finite vine]

so NAM-V mutates skin and bone cells, as well as sex cells to pass the mutations on to future generations?

[topaz flare]

and universes

[finite vine]

yea they have announced that they are working on another game already

which is why development on GTFO will likely stop after R8

[severe prairie]

kinda sad they are starting to move away from GTFO, but it has to happen one day

[finite vine]

and which is also why we probably will not get any new features till r8

[rocky wraith]

nononono. They mutate EVERYTHING. And they can't pass down to further generations, too buggered for that due to karyotypic problems.

[topaz flare]

unless modding becomes legit

in that case

well open the flood gates

[finite vine]

same, i’m just sad because i feel like there was so much wasted potential for features and mechanics ect.

[topaz flare]

cause new content is about drop every day

[finite vine]

ok so basically cancer? is that a realistic relation?

what is “mutate” on the cellular level. like what happens.

[topaz flare]

as i know it changes dna

when the cells dna changes

at least i know that

biology is not my best area of knowledge

):

so i should prop stop

see you guys later until i am needed again to answer universe questions

[severe prairie]

XD ty

[eternal talon]

did you even read what i said.

[eternal talon]

correct

[austere depot]

No clue.
And it only leads to branching speculations.

If Andrew was directly targeted: Why?
If Andrew was not directly targeted: What was? Why take out the Hangar 3 and its helipad?

[severe prairie]

maybe the hanger was collateral damage

[eternal talon]

destination is both a different world-line and a location. it's not earth. it's a planet in the butterfly nebula more than 3k light years away.

[austere depot]

That is also possible 😆 we just do not know enough at this moment 🥲 the hunt continues!

[eternal talon]

yes. and whatever the MWP does to also teleport us physically

[eternal talon]

85x faster in fact.

[topaz flare]

or Andrew tried to smuggle out some samples of the virus

[topaz flare]

oh right

the plants

[eternal talon]

it is certainly a possibility.

[topaz flare]

at this point like how fish said it we just don't have enough info to go around

[eternal talon]

we have no evidence the parasite made it to the surface, but after r6b1 and the introduction of the fliers, it is very likely. though not much left up there to convert into sleepers tbh.

[eternal talon]

allens

[topaz flare]

ok what are allens

cause it seems important and i have forgotten

[eternal talon]

not quite. that is what the virus does when the parasite isn't present. they simply died from the mutations but their bodies weren't puppeted by parasites. all corpses on the surface would look like this.

[severe prairie]

the flyers patrol the ground

[eternal talon]

the only ones that are alien that we have seen are the floater, giant floater, and the kraken. the rest are infected humans.

[severe prairie]

hmmm

[topaz flare]

no one answered me xd

[eternal talon]

allen tech. deus ex machina

[topaz flare]

nvm

[topaz flare]

what is that

like do you mean alien? prop not cause you spelled it right

like what is it

[eternal talon]

#PT

[topaz flare]

do i need to go to info section

[eternal talon]

unlikely.

[topaz flare]

cant you just say it here and let everyone know

[eternal talon]

we cannot discuss mods on this server. only link to .modding

[topaz flare]

ok so it is not cannon lore

i just missed the reference

got it

[eternal talon]

well, that and one of the stokes logs explicitly says 85x faster

[eternal talon]

PT? no. it's my own custom story in an alternate universe.

[finite vine]

it’s theorized that intelligent aliens created the matter wave projector and the hammerstein artifacts

frosty calls them allen’s

[topaz flare]

thank you sky

at least you understood my question

[finite vine]

honestly though, at this point, it could just be ancient humans that created the artifacts

[eternal talon]

the ancient advanced civilization of aliens from Destination that created the MWP, the data cubes, and all the tech that Insight discovered and repurposed. they also sent the meteor to earth as an escape craft.

[finite vine]

humans from a different dimension and quantum frequency

[topaz flare]

well not there is only one question

how can flyers warp

[finite vine]

yes

[eternal talon]

alien vs allen, allen is simply the term i use for this civilization. helps keep it simple, since in GTFO we have many species of aliens all relavant to the story

[topaz flare]

i see

[topaz flare]

did they mutate to move through universes

there is no other reason for them to be able to warp

and if it is

than who were they before they become flyers

[severe prairie]

so it was intentional

[eternal talon]

we don't know. presumably something to do with the crystals on their backs. the same ones the MWP uses to function.

[eternal talon]

then you'd know i said that either piros is lying (and it was an inside job from kovac execs) or piros is telling the truth and kovac doesn't know where it (warden) came from.

[finite vine]

of course the allen’s sending the meteor from destination as an escape craft is only speculation right? or has this been proven.

[topaz flare]

if biocom is biological and is acting up it could have just not like andrew or saw him as a threat

and just got rid of him

[eternal talon]

its has been all but said directly. we have evidence of them bringing many species from different world-lines with them in the meteor, the fact that they are all dead, and the tech they brought with them

[finite vine]

yea... i was just providing some other potential reasons and outcomes for that situation...

also you said we know that wrdn is not a backdoor.

[severe prairie]

cause he was questioning his position?

[finite vine]

idk maybe i read what you sad incorrectly

[topaz flare]

questioning biocom most likely

[eternal talon]

from santonian, my apologies.

[finite vine]

who are all dead? the allen’s?

[eternal talon]

if it is, it would be from someone working for kovac.

[topaz flare]

ok so from this we know that allens were a multiversal civilization that is good and bad

good cause well cause we can see how they did it

and use it for ourself

[finite vine]

i mean we haven’t been to this “spaceship” of theirs yet. also they could of been the ones to fire the QGP lasers

[topaz flare]

bad CAUSE IF THEY FUCKED UP THE WHOLE MULTIVERSE COULD HAVE COLLAPSES

[eternal talon]

well, they were stuck in the meteor with the virus and the parasite for 65 million years, so i'd assume so. perhaps, no, its very likely there are many still alive in different world-lines, but not in ours.

we also haven't seen any in gameplay.

just (maybe) one or two described in logs but nothing confirmed in terms of living ones

only infected

[finite vine]

we do know that time can move differently down there (clocks running slow on L34)

[topaz flare]

we prop can never find them either

[finite vine]

also they could have their own hydrostasis

[eternal talon]

yes. they created the MWP. destination is also a different world-line than ours, and given their catalogue, they have at minimum been to hundreds of universes.

insight found tons of specimens

i can go find the log if you'd like

[topaz flare]

no im fine i trust you with everything lore related tbh

[eternal talon]

yes.. we still do not know the origin of that. it irks me.

[topaz flare]

that is very very scary

[austere depot]

Part of the Rebecca Stoke's theory is that the entities are perhaps capable of merging 'membranes' (timelines). When this happens, matching elements may 'meld'. This may be what happens to our player characters (credit to @rocky wraith for thinking of this). It is why memories may bleed over, as traces will remain from a 'mesh' of membranes.

When a melding of membranes do occur, similar elements join together as one. The virus/parasite however, causes extremely different mutations for each infection. It writes a new biology for each mutation. A host existing in a parallel timeline could potentially end up vastly different in both. If so, during a membrane meld, the question is if instead of a meld - infected individuals result in a 'split'. Multiplying infected hosts with each joining as they have mutated too differently to be 'melded'.

[eternal talon]

well, if they did we wouldn't have the virus and the parasite. they'd have killed it before they got to earth

from what we know on earth anyway, our hydrostasis kills it

but you can be reinfected again

[austere depot]

Add this to the model posted by @topaz flare to illustrate variations and put that across multiple membranes with each 'splitting' instead of 'melding'

if it follows those rules, its a true nightmare

[topaz flare]

it is and by what frossty just said the nam-V virus is much more scary than we know

if its not a bio weapon

[eternal talon]

as i've said before, i do not belive timelines is the correct term here. universes and world-lines would suffice, since we are not traveling through time. each one of these worldlines are happening simultaneously at different rates.

[topaz flare]

its a multiveresal entity that brings end to whatever it touches

a dooms day entity meant to collapse the multiverse and rebuild it

and thats not good for any of us

[eternal talon]

we dont know where it came from. it seems like its a bio-weapon according to abeo dauda, but we dont know

[topaz flare]

that is less scary and more scary!!!

[eternal talon]

and its not like we can dig up some allens to ask where they found it

or if they made it themselves

[topaz flare]

Cause whatever this allens are

they hate us

if its a bio weapon

think about it

they send it this way

and left!

[eternal talon]

i cant say for certain on this but i dont think so.

they didn't send it to earth on purpose

[topaz flare]

if its a bio weapon ofc

[eternal talon]

it came with them on the meteor. it infected their crew while they were trying to escape from destination and crash landed on earth

[topaz flare]

doesn't matter

whereever they sent it they would have send it to an earth

[eternal talon]

well "they hate us" implies intent.

[topaz flare]

multiverses usally have categories within themself

similar universes stay close to each other

[austere depot]

We are not sure of that. It is logged that the virus can be split from the parasites. And what we do not know is the intention of the parasite vs the intention of the virus-symbiote variant.

[topaz flare]

close by to the core universe that started the timeline

meaning we are very close to universes that are almost just like us

but diff choices means diff timelines

[austere depot]

It may be that the virus alters the collective intelligence which the parasite is described to possess. though, this is just speculation on my part.

[topaz flare]

making new univereses

[finite vine]

the allens could of had infected cargo or other crew mates that were not in hydrostasis.

[topaz flare]

it may

but with my discribtion

they would know they send it to an earth

[eternal talon]

we dont know if they had hydrostasis tech. it was developed by humans in the 2030s long before they discovered the meteor.

[topaz flare]

not caring which one but an earth

[eternal talon]

there are not a lot of reports in general of stuff they found in the inner.

pretty much only specimens.

i really hope we get to explore it in r8 as a tileset.

[topaz flare]

btw im happy i managed to help out (:

you know what would be scary

[austere depot]

I loved it! 😁 All those pathways..
's a good illustration

[topaz flare]

if R6-R7 were completely diff

[eternal talon]

again, the meteor was an ESCAPE CRAFT. i dont think the intent was to kill the planet. simply to escape their own to another that is habitable.

destination is very similar to earth

[finite vine]

If where they came from is located in the butterfly nebula, then something catastrophic occurred in their star system. because nebula are formed from dying stars. so maybe something terrible happened and they had to send an escape vessel, or something happened to their actual planet and a piece fractured off of it and carried the virus to earth.

[eternal talon]

even atmosphere wise

[topaz flare]

if thats the case they would have been on earth before...

[eternal talon]

potentially. we simply do not know. we have zero sources for allen history.

[topaz flare]

unless if they were so advanced

[eternal talon]

only what insight found.

[topaz flare]

they could see inside universes

that if we count univereses as orbs

they could have

[eternal talon]

maybe, maybe not. there are infinite earths.