#gtfo-lore

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eternal talon
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Indeed. However that means half the potential resources for gtfo compared to before.

lament temple
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whatever happens I think we have a right to be a little peeved about what is likely going to be a MINIMUM 8 month content drought

eternal talon
pearl trench
lament temple
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for people who havent already played the old rundowns or completed them its great

eternal talon
lament temple
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but as someone whos already played all of it

silver sandal
eternal talon
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They didn't hire more once they started the development / after the gamescom announcement to my knowledge

eternal talon
lament temple
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i didnt even realize this was the lore channel

eternal talon
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I just don't see it possible for gtfo to not end on a cliffhanger at current.

silver sandal
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id say even for players that have played them its good. its a more complete package and vets can replay old RD

eternal talon
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Far too many plotlines unanswered and they add more every update.

lament temple
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vets were ALREADY doing that is the thing

eternal talon
silver sandal
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Im aware, i obviously meant in official capacity

lament temple
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im just praying for some sort of substantial difference

eternal talon
lament temple
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this is how i cope

eternal talon
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It is simply attempting to convert them to the current build. Their files for alt//r1 already contains the broken builds of ALL previous rundowns

silver sandal
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Well if its any consolation they seem to be taking a lot of time w/ R8. If it is the finale that hopefully means it will be well done and at least answer some of the remaining questions

eternal talon
pearl trench
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absolute funniest ending is everyone is right and they announce GTFO development is ending... in favor of GTFO 2

silver sandal
lament temple
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F tier 🙂

silver sandal
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For me im definitely expecting to get to the alien ship at the bottom of the inner if R8 is the end. and perhaps more teleporting since R7 didnt really expand on the Destination storyline from R6 too much

eternal talon
# silver sandal what would R8 be like in order to make you happy?

It would have to be a monolith of lore. We'd have to see the inner/the meteor, we'd have to find out what the wrdn's goals were, what the wrdn is, we'd have to find out the answer to the schaeffer discrepancy, we'd have to find out what the ending for schaeffers story is, we'd have to find out what happens to our own story, if we die or escape, we'd need new tiles for expeditions, we'd need to see what the allen sleeper from the Edgar teal log was, we'd need to see the units in action, we'd need to see so many things that even making a list is almost fruitless.

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There is too much content for them to cram into a single rundown.

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What is the origin for the father/mother, what is the origin for the snatcher, where did the infection tumors come from, is the surface impacted from the floaters now that they are on earth (and can fly to the surface), who all is alive up there, did the WHO team even make it into garganta, what was the weapon that caused the detonation, what happened to the remaining allens, was destination their homeworld, or just a colony, why do we find no ruins except for a single sandstone circle with carvings, how did Insight know how to get the allen tech working to make teleporters

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I could go on and on.

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It's just not going to happen. We won't get answers to everything.

silver sandal
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definitely not everything. hopefully the main plotlines will be addressed at least like Schaeffer/Warden/Destination/Allens

eternal talon
silver sandal
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Yeah. Destination comes from one of the level titles in R6 tho no?

eternal talon
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The name of the rundown itself.

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"Destination"

silver sandal
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so basically the planet got codenamed that by the community

eternal talon
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No. Originally it was "red alpha" for some reason, but you can see the confusion when there is already a Mars mission in the lore called that.

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So gradually more and more people started referring to it as Destination and not red alpha anymore

silver sandal
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i have a feeling we wont end up seeing any allens, maybe a corpse of one or something. It just seems like they want the alien lore to be there but mysterious and not really fully explored.

eternal talon
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The allens people just call the ancient aliens. I Kickstarted the allens thing, because I thought it was funny.

honest sky
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R8E2 we go into inner and press big red button and nuke earth. Before that at some point we dont get picked up by elevator because the subject whatever is done and ready.

eternal talon
silver sandal
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could it be that the point of R6 and destination is simply to show the player what a planet overtaken by the virus/parasite looks like?

honest sky
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It's a Halo type thing where nuking the virus is worth nuking whereever it is spreading in the process

eternal talon
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i mean fuck, what the hell was this thing?

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honest sky
honest sky
eternal talon
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snatcher tentacles dont look like that.

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they are flat coils, like intestines almost

silver sandal
eternal talon
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we've never seen this variant in gameplay

silver sandal
eternal talon
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"i hadn't gotten to play yet"

silver sandal
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"when i found out"

hot burrow
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👀

pine agate
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"When"

eternal talon
silver sandal
hot burrow
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“Disappointed” thenboom

pine agate
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"D" when

eternal talon
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"I"

silver sandal
eternal talon
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its on the planet destination

topaz flare
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if you went too far from your teammates it would yonk you

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but idea was scrapped for pouncer

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2 different enemies but most call it snatcher cause its easier (i myself like to call it dog)

past matrix
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there's a disconnect between the marketers and the actual devs it seems like

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for example you can see the unoiled charger in several different media but they never appear in-game. r4.5 is another massive example, with it showing a completely unknown area that has never appeared in game

lofty warren
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I do hope that after R8 they release tools so that the community can make their own rundowns.

solemn kraken
topaz flare
ruby lakeBOT
# lofty warren I do hope that after R8 they release tools so that the community can make their ...

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dull crest
eternal talon
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5 hours until the next log unlocks.

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>> FILE IS CORRUPTED. RESTORATION PROCESS FINISHED IN: 0 day 5 hours

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98G-SDC-2WH

finite vine
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yea. also the fact that they are already moving on to another game

finite vine
finite vine
lament temple
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i dont think the game really needs any sort of meta progression, just beating the level is the reward, what peeves me the most is that we only got 2 rundowns into "full release" and suddenly were having messages about "the future of GTFO" and that were practically finished apparently, and also that were not getting any new content for the next year... wtf

finite vine
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my main problem with how they developed the game was honestly the rundown system. I mean its cool in concept, and it works well with the story, but it really just limited how often they could release new content and mechanics.

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like we never really got any "patches" of sorts with new mechanics, it was just large updates that would take 6 months each.

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and those large updates brought new levels and story which was awesome, but the new mechanics were lacking in my opinion.

fossil kernel
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Im not coping

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You are

lofty warren
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So much copium going around. Don’t mind if I have some hehe

solar nova
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I'm tired af but I guess I might as well stay up for it.

fossil kernel
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My guess its gonna release around 20:00 pm

solar nova
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I mean, if no announce within 1hr of log I assume it drops tomorrow or the day after and crash.

fossil kernel
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Maybe

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And besides

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Its better to rest and have a good sleep than play something tired af

solar nova
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Naw, GTFO EZ game.

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Although will be less fun.

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Hollow Knight, meanwhile...

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No more boss attempts until tomorrow.

fossil kernel
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Lol

lofty warren
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Can anybody share?

drifting island
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ya

lofty warren
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Just read it. Did we already know that biocom has an organic component?

celest pagoda
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S o, BIOcom is biological. Well holy shit

pearl trench
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we could've guessed based on r3, but it's good confirmation

lofty warren
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Or that the organic component was moved to storage in kovacland?

eternal talon
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telepathically convince BIOCOM to change its programming, your sug
gestion is absurd.

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Allens?

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so narrows it down to:

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A: Kovac//Piros is lying
B: ALLENS

eternal talon
eternal talon
drifting island
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and we are positive BIOCOM is not sentient? and therefore this is not an autonomous action

pearl trench
eternal talon
pearl trench
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yeah but it means we know they've been plugging meat into computers

eternal talon
pearl trench
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presumably something related to the name Neural Frame

eternal talon
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well yes clearly, but we dont know if that is to do with the neonate's, or biocoms. for all we know they could be using DNA as a form of digital hypercompact storage.

pearl trench
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still seems pretty firmly in the realm of Meat Computer

eternal talon
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yes, technically.

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but we dont know its relation to biocom

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since r3 is looooong after wrdn takes over

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the biggest bit of information from this log is the fact that the network is bio-mechanical.

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given this sentence BIOCOM’s processing unit is biological in origin as this makes it impervious to all EMP, HPM, and STN ratio attacks. BIOCOM cannot be hacked any more than you can, so unless some one has found a way to telepathically convince BIOCOM to change its programming, your suggestion is absurd.
said by Piros, I am inclined to believe that maybe they don't know what it is doing.

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regardless, this leaves us no closer to an answer than before.

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either Piros is lying and kovac modified it, or they are telling the truth and the allens modified it.

celest pagoda
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BIOCOM had intercepted a signal. I thought it was meant for something else, but maybe it WAS for BIOCOM

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I wonder

past matrix
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so for example, in r3, with the neonate we imprint DNA onto it

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we put the DNA'd neonate into the nframe and it opens up access to the rest of the expedition

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so its some sort of dna reader/storer

finite vine
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I wonder why Piros is not worried lmao? BIOCOM, something he thought he could control, is evolving and reaching into places it should not be.

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also thats crazy that biocom is biomechanical

rain heron
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I mean, that's just a face he's putting on for Lorde, internally KDS might be running in circles and panicking for all we know

coarse canyon
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😛

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"so unless someone has found a way to telepathically convince BIOCOM to change its programming"

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I mean, could this have been the Allens trying to get energy diverted to their apparent GQP weapon that deployed?

normal mirage
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Should maybe put the question here since it is specific for lore, lol. So does anyone know of youtubers who play all rundowns and try to keep up with the lore? I would love to do that myself but the game is sometimes too hard for me? But I love what the lore has showed us so far already and wish to keep up a bit while just keeping fun at the few rundowns I CAN do lmao

cobalt mulch
wary portal
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Alright lads you know what to do

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Check all the terminals for logs and commands

cobalt mulch
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sir my keyboard is oiled, locked and cocked and my magazine is attached, ready to rock and roll, sir

dull crest
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<t:1670414400:R>

lofty warren
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Aw damn, here we go again!

harsh saffron
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In ALT://Rundown 2.0 Infection, you are tasked with retrieving a neonate Hydro Stasis Unit (HSU) and bringing it through a mysterious process involving various machines. While doing so, you and your team will catch a glimpse of the state of the world outside the nightmarish undergrounds of GTFO. But are your memories true?
Honestly pretty hyped to find out more about the rest of the world.

honest sky
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Giving me hope that this will be more ALT than ALTR1

lofty warren
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So anything yet? New looorrrreee!!

harsh saffron
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got the A1 log piece if you want

carmine tendon
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Which Zone did you find that?

eternal talon
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The one on the left.

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Currently on b1.

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The race continues

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(Playing solo W. Door bug because no friends are on)

past matrix
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nevermind

harsh saffron
past matrix
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yeah lmaoo both mention mccalister, what a wacky coincidence

lofty warren
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Thanks!

past matrix
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intel button mentions that for r2//alt, the warden is trying a "conduit strategy"

past matrix
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r2a1 ALT's warden intel was changed to mentioning that we're collecting pMother samples for the "genome resistance database"

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r2b2's ALT mentions its looking for RISE equipment, aka the neonate

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r2b3 mentions a security system is biocom controlled and isn't responding

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r2c1 mentions the navigational databse is corrupted

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r2c2 mentions that the reason why we go to r2c2 is for the navigational database

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pretty much the main differences

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the biggest difference i can think of is r2b3 seems no longer connected to r2c2; we did r2b3 to override r2c2, then in r2c2 the description mentions that the security override got fucked

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whereas now it doesnt specifically mention it by name

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i do find it funny that they're going back to add more context to what we're doing, like mentioning now that its RISE equipment and that the pMother samples was for the genome resistance database

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i'll miss when r2e1 though was kept a mystery. The new description mentions its a neonate, etc, but in the old one it mentions its just an artificial womb cold storage, then you find the neonate hsu and you're like "damn they have babies down here"

eternal talon
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What happened in this one didn't necessarily happen in our own

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Which is... annoying

dim blaze
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Holy fucking shit the data dump log in R2B2

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Confirms SO much shit

past matrix
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image, uwu?

dim blaze
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There is like

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700 pages of names, ids, etc

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It would take me an hour to record all these

stone vine
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wow

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i’ll def check that out

eternal talon
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if you mean stuff in the code but not in-game, none of it is canon.

timid lance
dim blaze
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@eternal talon In-game, log name was like 0000-0000-0000

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It listed names of everyone in the complex, their ID's, status, etc. It was so long I couldnt get to the end of the log even after holding down enter for over a minute

timid lance
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very big log

stone vine
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i’m excited to see what schaeffer will be up to ;)

eternal talon
austere depot
cobalt mulch
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i kinda feel sorry for the dude who scrolls thru the entirety of that thing 🙂

dim blaze
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It also had same names multiple times, some deceased, some active, some unknown. Which would imply that there are multiple copies of everyone, including the 4 we play as, Schaeffer, etc

cobalt mulch
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... what i'm most baffled is the stupendous number of duplicates for some names, one inactive and all the rest active

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there are 104 John Schaeffers

dim blaze
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Actually big implications from that list

cobalt mulch
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jesus..

dim blaze
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Whoever actually maps all of that log is a god lol

cobalt mulch
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109 daudas

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102 hacketts

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98 bishops

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94 woods

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the T-xxxx designators and status, hsu location, status vary.. membrane identifiers stay the same

silver vine
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There is also people with the same T number (the ID of the first row) but different names

cobalt mulch
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.. belay that, schaeffer's membrane id changes

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6533 active id's

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10117 deceased

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6580 inactive

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13541 unknown

eternal talon
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Multiple people can have the same name, santonian is a big company

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In regards to membrane identifiers, no clue.

silver vine
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Yeah it's like 100's of Alan Waves (or whatever the name) and 1 Alan Waney in the middle of it.
And their number in the first row is exactly the same

cobalt mulch
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could this be some multiverse alt-verse thing now

silver vine
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They figured they didn't have the necessary time to save humanity and so they created parallel universeS ?

cobalt mulch
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that or it's cloning from neonate like blanks

eternal talon
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Humanity would never have the know-how to make parallel universes

silver vine
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Cloning seams more realistic

cobalt mulch
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on that bombshell.. phew

past matrix
eternal talon
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We've been told EXPLICITLY that they don't use clones

cobalt mulch
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neural imprinting and cortex interfaces

past matrix
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werent we told that rise wasnt clones?

eternal talon
cobalt mulch
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taking that into account i might go with the alt-verse stuff, did wrdn somehow get the one ring and in the darkness brought everyone home?

past matrix
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also pretty sure its mentioned that they arent exactly*************************************************** clones

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we know that neonates can have dna imprinted onto them and be able to have the same security access as people with the same dna

eternal talon
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"Rise uses existing genetic material" ah, mb.

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But still. What'd be the point of cloning hundreds of no-name employees when they can grow new ones in seconds

past matrix
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probably a better basis?

eternal talon
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Better basis for what

cobalt mulch
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39 active schaeffers all sabotaging the one wrdn, yum

past matrix
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unless they want to make a bunch of unnamed drones, having a human basis would be able to make them more human

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like making a fuckton of schaeffers

cobalt mulch
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or this is just a gimmick to throw a curveball on -lore and then 3d glasses + popcorn, calle is laughing his beard off

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😄

eternal talon
silver vine
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So... parallel universes ?

cobalt mulch
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alt-

silver vine
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hooooo

eternal talon
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I'm not laughing. It's annoying. This does the opposite of helping us get a clean ending to gtfo

silver vine
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insert mind blowing gif

eternal talon
silver vine
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I didn't realize alt was for alternative universe

past matrix
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we wont know if other schaeffers are also trying to resist in these universes until r4b1 unfortunately

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there is though the r1d1 ALT morse code, isnt there?

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where someone bangs "escape" or some shit

eternal talon
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Yes.

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Escape.

silver vine
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R4B1 was also morse code if I remeber well ?

cobalt mulch
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wasn' it "hello"

past matrix
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yeah it was hello

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wait wait wait wait wait i have an idea

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what if the warden from the r1-r7 timeline managed to maintain itself in the alt timeline

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and schaeffer managed to as well

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but the prisoners didnt

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so schaeffer tried to contact us way earlier than he did before

eternal talon
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We don't know which squad we are playing as.

cobalt mulch
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would explain how he got out from hsu.. or that schaeffer is still inside

eternal talon
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Our world-line's, or the alt world-line's

cobalt mulch
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and to me it has felt since r5 like the cortex interface is us the controllers taking control of meat puppets

eternal talon
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Since there are canonically now two bishops

cobalt mulch
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seemingly wake up "memory wiped", as the dna-based stuff is all they got, or all they've ever had

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i digress, pardon

past matrix
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i legitimately would not be surprised if devs make clone theory real rn

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then in r4 we will start hearing about tests on chimps

final sentinel
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old tank roar did sound a lot like elephant tbf

past matrix
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elephant theory

wintry knot
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Sleepers are just zoo animals in disguise

silver vine
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NGV61DUA230I58 M-Q1HS-F0FA-P8UG-BU4T-3MC5-TM6I Angela Klein A319 Unknown Deceased
NGV61DUA230I58 M-2U79-H2C8-WBIS-6SL9-X5E2-IZ7C Angela Keehan A657 Unknown Unknown
NGV61DUA230I58 M-LE3X-T3ND-49ZV-3F2X-6WT9-MLXL Angela Klein A960 Unknown Deceased

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Ok, those strange entries in the datablock are what I was talking about

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Same ID at the beginning, but their identity is different

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Thise Angela Klein has had multiple different names.
And almost all the individuals look like they have the same things

past matrix
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im curious on what "unknown" means

silver vine
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It could be just different Angela's. But it's strange there 100's of Angela Klein, and just 1 Angela Keehan

cobalt mulch
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GENOTYPE MEMBRANE IDENTIFIER LOCAL DESIGNATION LOCAL ID LOCAL HSU LOCATION LOCAL STATUS

silver vine
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^

cobalt mulch
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hmm what were names of the kds / santonian etc executives in the early logs?

silver vine
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Jason Davies is Unknown in the log (my bad edit)

cobalt mulch
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zero Teales status Active, all deceased or unknown

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there's only Gallius Hammerstein(s) 112 of them, no relatives..

silver vine
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My brain is kinda melting on this info dumb

cobalt mulch
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some copypasta clerical error sure but the local id X-YYYY numbers vary, as do the HSU locations

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Abeo Dauda T-2969 257M3G3 Active
Abeo Dauda T-1532 NVYW42B Active

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so they got dauda with 2 different t-clearances in 2 different hsu's .. .. ?

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(more, just sniped from the output)

silver vine
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and both active

cobalt mulch
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ahhh.. that's a younger dauda with 1532, time travel theory

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<3d glasses, popcorn in the microwave>

silver vine
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Just a though, but what about the baby we used in R7D1 ? Could they use this technology to imprint several dauda on those ?

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I didn't follow up on the lore on this baby so, i'm not up to date on this, just a genuine though

cobalt mulch
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spec 22 from r6dx was no dauda.. but its not confirmed that was a neonate originated

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but yes im thinking neonate based artificial womb hsu accelerated neural imprinted operative factory gig

austere depot
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((sorry, replied to wrong (derp))

eternal talon
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that was why rise was abandoned in the first place

silver vine
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Even if imprinted with another prisoner personality ?

eternal talon
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Well yes, because it's an issue with how they are grown, the brains themselves. Regardless of what you chuck into them

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@rocky wraith can talk at length about how ridiculous the neonates are from a biological standpoint

rocky wraith
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Mlam

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I have been @‘d

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So what’s happened since I woke up?

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Oh, R2 is out

eternal talon
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R2 came out

rocky wraith
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Neat

silver vine
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Massive lore dumb in R2B2

rocky wraith
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Anything fancy?

silver vine
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I can send you the massive file

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It's a ~4mo text file

rocky wraith
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Eh, its all cool. As long as it’s in this chat I’ll chew through once I’m up

silver vine
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Don't know if we can post a file of that size in the chat

rocky wraith
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Looks like everyone’s talking about clones

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Hype

eternal talon
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I haven't seen the file myself but I highly doubt its clones

past matrix
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what if santonian was keeping records of different universes

rocky wraith
eternal talon
stuck fern
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M4-RKI-M00 is one of the barcodes on the pmother trial samples, idk if that means anything but I think it might be important to note

cobalt mulch
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frostty dm blocked?

eternal talon
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No I got it, but I haven't read it. I'm on my phone rn, working on PT with both monitors.

finite vine
cobalt mulch
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good point

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would explain the klein / keehan, one of them got adopted / married

finite vine
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im sure they did research on it like they did with the matter wave projector

austere depot
cobalt mulch
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when we pull an alarm or set off a scout, the enemies materialize in empty rooms (2 rooms away), cool game horde mechanic... ooor.. the sleepers are inherently poly-planar and react to nearby alarms and calls from close enough alternates, jump over without realizing and poof they appear, pissed off furious coming at us full force.. .. fft

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r6d4 was not canon but every alt we hopped into was positively infested, until we came back to 0, it was (killed off on warp) empty as they all followed us to the alarms n shit we did in 1 2 3..

past matrix
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i mean keep in mind that they didn't say it wasnt canon

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just to not read that much into it

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and now that they're trying to introduce parallel dimensions, which is exactly what r6d4 is...

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r2 alt also confirmed that they don't have everything planned out and they're willing to go back and explain like "oh this was actually used for x"

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for example the pMother data samples was used for more genome shit, when back in r2 it was seemingly just data analysis

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but since now they're trying to do a whole different plotline, they're making it try to all fit

eternal talon
austere depot
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I cannot confirm this, but I think the membrane identifier is tied to 'quantum-frequency' (mentioned by Dr. stokes)
The crowd at the start of the list share the same Membrane frequency, but alter at genome type.
When it comes to the 'multiples of the same' or 'clones, copies, variants', they share the same genome-type but the membrane-frequency alters

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So perhaps: Same frequency, different genome / genes / genetics. Different people, same frequency (plane)
Same genome, different frequencies: different planes (frequencies)

cobalt mulch
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imagine the alpha-planet receiving duplicates from other alts at the same time.. hi bishop, i'm bishop - me too, cool, beer?

austere depot
silver vine
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Heu, question, Local Designation should be unique ?

austere depot
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Woods: "I need tool refill"
Hacket: "I need tool refill"
Dauda: "I need tool refill"
Bishop, for no reason: I - NEED - TOOL- REFILL

cobalt mulch
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there could be overlap but quick glance - no same name had overlapping local id, not 100% sure tho

silver vine
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There is overlap

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Angela Klein A885
Nestor Moses A885

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And Clifton Watson A885

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Their Genotype and Membrane ID is different, but they were assigned the same Local ID

austere depot
cobalt mulch
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iirc all of garganta does the same scheme

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it was opened in a log somewhere, was it smaller - higher up or the other way around, cr

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what i meant is all the kleins (and keehan) have diff numbers among them

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gah what a brainmelt, alts or clones or alts and clones or 3) other

silver vine
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Because I check Woods ID, which is said to be F-2056 on the wiki. But there is no F-2056 in the file

austere depot
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Looking into that - They did release a file in ALT R1, gonna check a few on that list

silver vine
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I would also love to have on ID from the none Alt universe

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Ok, got Andrew Clinton as B035 (R5 log).
First, there is like 100's of Andrew Clinton in the log. But none of them have the Local ID B035
The ID B035 is not found in the entire log

cobalt mulch
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pre r6 logs should have some from: name X-YYYY, to: recipient Z-####

austere depot
cobalt mulch
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but if theyre xyyy then they dont match, unless x-0yy ..

silver vine
#

Andrew Clinton also have SEVERAL different name / Membrane Identity BUT with the same Genotype

austere depot
silver vine
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3NG3ANMVGVLS5J M-OUXG-W3LZ-2XCU-U6HJ-1FXY-X73U Andrew Clinton B157 Unknown Unknown
3NG3ANMVGVLS5J M-38MJ-OL7P-WWGI-GPLV-DUD2-I2CS Andrew Sharp B641 Unknown Deceased
3NG3ANMVGVLS5J M-7G0S-EIUR-0DNY-RCLQ-ZW78-Z9DL Andrew Clinton B664 Unknown Deceased
3NG3ANMVGVLS5J M-4BVC-4ALA-53MI-VOLO-BYSC-BWEA Andrew Difranesco B989 Unknown Deceased
3NG3ANMVGVLS5J M-JWDW-5E37-COYC-WSXZ-2N3Y-0C5K Andrew Grafton B369 Unknown Unknown

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The log also look organized

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Like you have 50 unique entries at the beginning. Then duplicate start coming in

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Like, "original" (or first in the list) Andrew Clinton is this one
3NG3ANMVGVLS5J M-FGP0-4BUW-R6BX-RJR8-1E56-S48D Andrew Clinton B627 Unknown Deceased

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Yo, Ok, I know how the log is organized.
You have first, all the people with the same Membrane ID: M-FGP0-4BUW-R6BX-RJR8-1E56-S48D

cobalt mulch
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how many?

silver vine
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Then, it list every duplicate of a Genotype.
Like Angela klein

cobalt mulch
#

the hsu dna core scans weve done on missions are always random names (iirc), but would be cool if those dna scan results were filed as them genotypes

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and then we have active hsu inhabitants same name same genes

austere depot
#

It is why I think membrane represents same plane (of existence)
And Genotype represents variants (of the individual) if the membrane is different

silver vine
cobalt mulch
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thanks.. a drop in the 30k+ ocean

silver vine
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I mean 239 entries on the exact same Membrane ID. And those are listed in first in the log.
Then they start ordering it by Genotype

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Starting with Angela Klein (which is the first entry in the Log)

cobalt mulch
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so.. a deceased dude in 239 list and unique name, that dude died in every alt atst?

silver vine
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Angela Klein is listed deceased in the first entry and her "duplicate" are either dead or unknown

cobalt mulch
#

what a mystery.. hopefully something comes up before r3

silver vine
#

Could be just coincidence, need to dig deeper.

cobalt mulch
#

santonian website logs tie in with this in any way?

silver vine
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We haven't complete R2 yet, so there's more log to be found already

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(People might, I don't)

rocky wraith
#

So to summarise so far, log was found contain a database of entries with seemingly same names with matching Genomes, but differing 'membrane frequency'?

silver vine
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DataBase of entries with 239 people with unique genotype, with the same Membrane ID.
Then, take each individual genotype, duplicate it 100 time, and change their Membrane ID.
Repeat the process 239 time

rocky wraith
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names different?

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so 239 people who are recorded in 100 different times with differing Membrane IDs

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What's the catagories recorded? name, genotype, membrane ID. Anything else?

austere depot
#

The 'Local categories'

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Local ID, Local HSU location, Local Status

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I put the entire thing in an Excel spreadsheet and started sorting it out.
So far, I have only one interesting thing to show for it: We are not the only operatives with an 'active' state. We have suspected this though.
It may be tied to R2B1 'sacrifice', where the players are literally told they are the 'distraction' for something else.
It strongly implies that someone somewhere else is to perform a task while we, the main quartet, create a diversion

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What I do find interesting are other Operatives showing a large quantity of 'active' states across multiple 'Membranes'. Nothing to confirm this yet, but I low-key suspect these are then chosen for their High Survival rate (across membranes)
I would have to do a number of deceased to number of active to have any inkling to back that, and I am not doing that tonight (sleepy).

honest sky
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Have you great people found any audio logs yet?

wary portal
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wtf is 000-000-000

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what is this clones ?

dim blaze
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B2 log

stone vine
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o.o

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oml

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sorry

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funky e1 stuff

eternal talon
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T, F, GO, O,

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exactly how many are on this list

eternal talon
austere depot
eternal talon
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Garganta has 8,000 in random places, and 24,000 in KDS Deep

austere depot
#

I am not sure if I got this right, but this stands at the top. Might be at the top of the Log:
//ERROR: FILE TOO LARGE FOR MACHINE TRANSLATION

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meaning this is not a complete list

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this is the part of that list that the machine managed to translate

eternal talon
#

then this certainly is a KSO list, not staff.

eternal talon
eternal talon
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kovac you dirty bastard

austere depot
#

I believe it is both. Jason Davies, Durant, Dr. Stokes are all in there.
Some match the ID of operatives, others appear to follow the pattern of staff ID. They do not match with the ones we meet in game however.

eternal talon
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i see it now
A885
B650
B601
A666
C543
A114
A259
C499
C104
C358
B693
B738
B609
B689
B172
B193
B684
A813

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but then that leaves a LOT more KSOs unaccounted for.

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into the thousands

eternal talon
eternal talon
eternal talon
eternal talon
rocky wraith
#

So membrane ID is representative of a set of full personal and contains no duplicates

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hmmmmm

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And ONLY the operatives are registered as active

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Local ID has previously been known to be both letter denoting clearence level as well as a unique signifier in clearance of power

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But because of duplicates it now raises the question of multiple timelines/dimensions

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about 50-60 operatives active between membranes

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with instances of our 4 guys dead in other instances

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which means we need to locate the membrane that has all 4 of our guys alive

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So among 104 membranes, there has to be one with all 4 dudes alive

austere depot
# rocky wraith Thought I saw someone say something like that a while back

That was me. I think it refers to 'membrane' as a field. The matter wave projector (tool for dimensional travel) teleported single objects and individual people it came into contact with. In a R7 log, Doctor Stokes devised a theory about the quantum tether and resonant frequencies. That shifting between planes required one to alter ones frequencies to 'match that of the plane / dimension'.
Given they all share the same genetic data while having alterations in name, rank and placement. It may be that they exist on different 'spheres, planes, dimensions' (take your pick).

rocky wraith
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I would agree with you here, it makes sense

silver vine
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Pretty tired now but we could potentially find the frequency where the game is taking place

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By matching frequencies with people we know are alive -deceased and so on

rocky wraith
#

M-FGP0-4BUW-R6BX-RJR8-1E56-S48D
M-KR3N-S5C4-CYWM-X47W-JC72-LLJB

silver vine
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Yo amazing

rocky wraith
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These are the only two membranes with all our guys alive

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so one of them is ours

silver vine
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Is Schaeffer dead in one of them ?

rocky wraith
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I checked and Schaefer isn't 'active' in either instance

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Unless...

silver vine
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That's info

rocky wraith
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What if the Bishop that came back, isn't our bishop?

silver vine
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that's another thread to follow

rocky wraith
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or Schaefer is counted as Unknown because the Warden doesn't control him?

silver vine
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Or schaeffer doesn't exist xD

rocky wraith
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lol

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or I just realised

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We just check our guys local ID's

eternal talon
eternal talon
rocky wraith
eternal talon
rocky wraith
eternal talon
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its not all 30,000 entries are KSOs

rocky wraith
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hmm

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I say its a hella good start

eternal talon
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it just flat has tons of people missing

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the log itself said it was incomplete

rocky wraith
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we might not be missing as much as you think

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actually no

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You're interpretting it wrong

eternal talon
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its not interpreting, it literally gave error

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i asked fish a while ago because i thought it was strange

rocky wraith
#

239

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there are only 239 in the log

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not 32,000

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this isn't for all the KSO's

silver vine
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Yeah it's 239 unique. It's not everyone in the company. But the log just ask question about why there is multiple time the same Genotype ID, with a different Membrane ID

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We can just speculate a lot out of that thing, that's waht makes it interesting

stone vine
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clone theory is real

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;-;

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100s of bishops exist

rocky wraith
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Our timeline isn't in there

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GO-1395 is not present in the spreadsheet

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So these are recordings for Other timelines?

stone vine
#

alt

rocky wraith
#

Some of these Timelines are missing key personal

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Like Bishop and Hackett is missing in M-302U-MRNW-4C1H-GX3E-3N3G-LCEJ

stone vine
#

beeeeeeshop

snow yarrow
snow yarrow
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Wait why theres dupe name with different membranes ID and local ID

finite vine
rocky wraith
rocky wraith
finite vine
rocky wraith
finite vine
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damn

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what did u use to compare all this info so quickly?

rocky wraith
#

excel can sort really easily

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like REALLY easily

finite vine
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I was gonna make a program quickly but it already seems like u guys got it down

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nice

rocky wraith
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Excel is underrated for this sort of problem

finite vine
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yea excel is goated. I prefer google sheets though ngl

#

thats actually really sick. is there a date on the log?

past matrix
#

were there only two new logs this rundown?

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did anyone find any of the old ones

cobalt mulch
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there were some logs

hushed abyss
#

is there a cache of the new logs from r1?

eternal talon
stone swift
#

Should we drop logs we found here for discussion? Took a few screenshots of some different ones I haven't seen posted yet and wasn't sure if people would like them here or not

real pewter
#

you should

stone swift
#

Had my flashlight on so apologies there, but here goes:

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Last log was from ||C1||, others were ||various B-tier levels I don't recall||

harsh saffron
stone swift
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Thanks, those levels are a blur to me at this point 😂

harsh saffron
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Same, have to write it down as I read them ^^

stone swift
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Ah, good thinking, I will do this (and leave my flashlight off) in the future

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I found UJ7-OYT-REH in particular interesting though. Wonder what they're referencing at the end with the VOCs. It seems meaningful given that it's mentioned both in the middle and end of the article

harsh saffron
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I love these detailed logs about nam-v ngl

stone swift
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Same, I find them to be the most interesting. I wonder if we'll ever get a full resolution on the exact state of the planet...it's clear that it's not in great shape given what we know

harsh saffron
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Not too sure about that, probably more like some private email or Warden "statement" that humanity is mostly wiped out. Because at that point I would imagine the WHO wouldn't release super detailed reports anymore.

stone swift
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Yes. I'm really interested to see if we ever actually go to the surface at the conclusion of the game (presumably R8). Only time will tell though. Hopefully those logs I posted above will be useful for someone 🙂

silver sandal
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It's crazy that to most of the world above they are basically dealing with a much more lethal form of Covid

cobalt mulch
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plus some interdimensional towering monsters ready to entagle our quantums 🙂

fiery lance
#

haven't gotten through E1 yet and was a BIT busy screaming into the void on D2 to check for logs (though I don't think there were any), but so far, so fascinating

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anyone have a link to the log of doom?

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my spreadsheet instincts are tingling

silver vine
celest pagoda
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so that big ass log, are the duplicate listings of different timelines? I've just found out about the log

silver vine
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The Membrane ID look a lot like Frequencies so that one of the speculation, yes

celest pagoda
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Seems our timeline isn't on the spreadsheet.

silver sandal
rocky wraith
austere depot
# stone swift

First, thank you for providing this.
If going by the membrane = frequency speculation. The third screenshot in the order is interesting (and mind boggling).
What happens: The WRDN detects more membranes and updates its entry list.
First thought: That is a lot of membranes. And it is counting more.
Total sum: 1 054 748 013 (1 billion, 54 million, 748 thousand and 13)

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So, somehow the WRDN is scanning membrane frequencies and updating them at a rapid rate.
The commands however also caught my interest.
It differentiates between updating 'local entries' (and something else).
The command for initiating the update process with the mindboggling large number of membranes (1 054 748 013) is WRDN(update.meta).
Now, it is hooked to a biological supercomputer and it could manage it for all we know. But scanning, detecting, logging and interpreting data between dimensional frequencies.. (if we follow the theory). It must reach a limit at some point.

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Unless.. The WRDNs also have alternates - and they have a way of talking to one another.
That way, computation could be performed locally and shared.

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If this turns out to be the case, the WRDN is not just a malicious AI, but a Malicious networked intelligence at an interdimensional level (oh crap)

finite vine
#

the other interesting command is MWP//bin/loc/membranes. the MWP term could stand for the Matter Wave Projector. maybe the warden is using the MWP to gather all of this information? the question is, why is the warden gathering all of this data? is it looking for someone? also good point, this could mean that the warden has the infrastructure to work with other warden programs from other timelines. they could all be working together to achieve the same goal... that’s insane

austere depot
austere depot
#

Looking into the data, I did some cross examination. So far, this is what I can find that is the closest to our 'membrane'.
https://i.gyazo.com/9d8ed3a5acf13df2007026ba9cfc3326.png
All four prisoners are active.
Schaeffer, Maddox and Henrikson who went 'off the grid' are listed as unknown.

Characters who are confirmed dead, are dead.
Igor was shot by KSO operatives for entering a restricted area.
Andrew Clinton is believed to be dead (October 11th incident).
Artus Chaparon is dead. See log: WRU-TYR.LOG

Jason Davies. Still a mystery man (unknown, unknown)

The main issue is the mismatch KSO designation for Henrikson and ID for everyone else.

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The most glaring issue is Henriksons KSO-designation, as he starts to state it in his voice log. "My name is Klas Henrikson. KSO designation O-34- [interrupted]"
The Membrane ID log gives the beginning of that designation to Hacket in that 'membrane'. So this is probably not it either.

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Davies's ID in that membrane is 666 though, which is cool

stone vine
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it’s also where everything most likely originated from

jaunty widget
#

Has it ever been established why the prisoners are seemingly immune to NAM-V considering they haven't turned into sleepers yet/died?

harsh saffron
jaunty widget
#

Ah, so basically between missions they supposedly get cured if they have it. Thank you!

drifting island
#

if it doesn't survive the refrigerator, why has no one ice aged the planet yet?
smh my head

stone vine
#

yummy yummy

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:>

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imagine we go to destination and meet alt bishop

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im p sure bishop met alt bishop

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as bish i will meet all bishops

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in an alternate universe im chronically online bishop

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and im not british or a white bald dude

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that sounds like my calc teacher tbh

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thanks for coming to my ted talk

astral flax
#

so hows the lore?

#

who is Warden?

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my dad?

cobalt mulch
#

we live in a trump universe... billions and billions and b..

toxic flower
#

i have a question about the prisoners

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why are we bald

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why does the warden hate hair

sudden crest
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Maybe HSUs cause hair loss.

toxic flower
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i kinda assumed so they can wear the masks properly

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you ever tried to wear a hat with a head full of hair?
it's not easy to do

sudden crest
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That too.

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Same thing with the military.

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Helmets aren’t easy to wear with long hair.

toxic flower
#

i guess having hair where they go could also be a bit dangerous?
i mean if spitters are anything to go by maybe they could stick to their hair?
im just spitballing so idk

sudden crest
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I mean, long hair can be nice, but if it’s gonna compromise the effectiveness of my gas mask, then goodbye hair.

silver sandal
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Not just helmets and masks, hair can be pulled and used to catch/hurt you.

solar nova
#

^ Same reason the military doesn't like hair, and Kovac is a paramilitary org.

toxic flower
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yeah true

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but then again there's masks that cover your whole head

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woods and hackett probably wouldn't have that problem

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dauda and bishop on the other hand...

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also another question i have
in terms of the alt rundowns, are they canon to lore in any way
like is it canon they just come back to these places of something?
idk how the lore in this game works

solar nova
#

So it's canon... sort of, and stuff that we see in Alt rundowns probably also happened in the normal ones.

toxic flower
#

im confused now
brain not working

solar nova
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We live in a (parallel) society.

toxic flower
#

hm

rocky wraith
rocky wraith
toxic flower
sudden crest
#

I assumed simple retcons/additional lore.

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Like a remaster.

young hedge
#

Question I haven't been keeping up with lore but I'm ghosting here and seeing people say there's an alt bishop, was that a log or something? I know about the big log with everyone's ID numbers, don't know anything about an au bishop possibly from destination

harsh saffron
young hedge
#

Oooo okay thank you so much

rocky wraith
#

oh damn

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so the bishop we got back was a different bishop??

harsh saffron
#

maybe

rocky wraith
austere depot
rocky wraith
#

also

#

nvm

rocky wraith
#

So, mainly we are looking for the ALT

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our main timeline isn't in there, guaranteed

austere depot
rocky wraith
#

but our alt timeline should be

#

possibly

austere depot
# rocky wraith but our alt timeline should be

possibly, yes. But it also may not be
The WRDN log listing over a billion Membrane id's detected.. it opens for a lot of alterations. Even one where almost everything is exactly the same, which I think may be the case for ALT//:R2

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so our 'prime' and the 'alt' may not be listed in those 37000 at all : /

rocky wraith
#

yush. I am only now reading up on the Alt R1 logs and suddenly realised I have missed a LOT

rocky wraith
#

We are gonna have to crosscheck the ALT Ids to the prime IDs

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eg. in ALT, Rebecca stokes is B162

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double check that is the same ID in prime

austere depot
rocky wraith
#

oop, reading through the logs and fouund the parasites have "collective intelligence"

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thats spooky

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And huzzah, HSU's cure NAM-V

austere depot
#

I had an older theory though for how some of the things that went down in R2B1 and R2B2 could be explained.. before we knew of alternate timelines and dimensions and stuff.
The missions requires the players to be in two places at once. It needed an explanation and I never liked the clone theory much (preference)..

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So I thought: We, the prisoners, have literal probes injected into our nervous systems and our minds (Cortex Interface Injection at the start of the game)

rocky wraith
#

yup

austere depot
#

What if they were clones in the different sense, that memories and personalities were inserted. This went out the window with the alternate dimension theory, but.. the memory insertion of it did not

rocky wraith
#

I had that idea as well concerning R6D1 with Schaefer having memories he wasn't supposed to have

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BTW

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Alt logs people do not share ID's with the google docs people

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google docs ID's start at A100

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Alt ID's start at A001

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EG dean lockwood A074

austere depot
#

If the alternates exist because of different frequencies. What happens if those 'resonate', I wonder. If a resonation is possible. I think perhaps one start to bleed over into another - and thus, memories overlap and affect one another

sudden crest
rocky wraith
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The parasites work together in ways that shouldn't be possible apparently

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And the researcher explains it as collective intelligence

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btw, re-listening to that audio log of the unknown signal. Hella creepy, sounds like gasmask breathing, but theres sounds of an almost 'alien' machine from the right hand side

young hedge
rocky wraith
#

I think we might have our first mismatch noted by our friend here

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"We are even finding infested humans in some of the deep, unexplored chambers. It is as if they are drawn to something. Grubs to their queen perhaps?"

#

so many logs to read through, very disturbing

#

Gallus Hammerstein B013 - Santonian Mining Company - Geologist

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in log K94-5ER-ESF

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Have people been switching timelines and not even noticing?

#

Well at least Hammerstein might be in a dimension he shouldn't be?

unborn steppe
#

There was another mismatch I think but I cant remember if someone else caught it. The flight to Mars using hydrostasis is in a different month

rocky wraith
rocky wraith
unborn steppe
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my bad its 5 days apart. Dec 13 and Dec 18
BNC-XUI-P59 on alt r1 compared to the Wake Me When We Get There Log from R5A3

rocky wraith
#

And our state of truth guy has memories crossing over?

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"A substitute designated to take the place of another.
A replacement of equal or greater value." - WRDN

#

Could there be a timeline taking over another?

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"A second major mutation of the virus has been discovere[corrupted]"

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"42188 new membranes found"

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"WRDN(update.meta)"

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meta3 being the ID's of the personal

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WRDN is tracking and updating ID's crossing over the timelines

austere depot
# rocky wraith btw, re-listening to that audio log of the unknown signal. Hella creepy, sounds ...

It may be the source behind a lot of listed issues:

Signal detected: July 2nd 2052 (Log: 3NY-798-65Y)

A analyst report released Desember 12th 2052 states:
An alarming increase in the suicide rate has been noticed during the second half of 2052. While depression and psychological issues are to be expected with a work force spending extended periods of time underground, the numbers reveal a steady rise in psycho-pharmaceutical use. The upward trend began in April 2052, and surged dramatically throughout the year. (Log: ALKN234)

While first detected July 2nd, it may have affected the workers sometime before its detection. It further states.
At the time of writing this report, 34.7% of the SMC workforce based within Garganta have reported psychological disturbances.

In short: Suicides rate spike. Psychological issues arise. The issues begin around two and a half-months before the signal is detected and continues in force thereafter.

#

No proof though, just a correlation.

rocky wraith
#

The "thing" behind the walls

rocky wraith
austere depot
rocky wraith
#

I strongly agree

#

Finally reached the part about the death ray fired from the egg

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bloody hell

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And it very SPECIFICALLY killed Andrew Clinton

austere depot
# rocky wraith I strongly agree

Could you imagine though if the signal was a 'warning' that got mistranslated?
GTFO has a theme with codes.. not to mention that language and communication is a complex thing.
What if the extreme displeasure was an attempt at communicating "Do not come here!" only.. we are human and humans are not made for that kind of communication?

rocky wraith
#

Like a low powered emitter keeping people from a contamination zone

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So the Egg has both psycological defence systems as well as an active death ray

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M-CPKH-LETW-UQAS-MRHN-QWV7-JCCX

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One of the logs comes from this membrane

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98G-SDC-2WH.LOG

sudden crest
rocky wraith
#

Lordes local ID matches

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but Andre P A134 doesn't match

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Andre piros doesn't exist in that membrane?

#

SO maybe not

#

in fact

#

98G-SDC-2WH.LOG the log

#

This one seems similar to one made before about the power systems?

#

except the names are different?

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FTR-044-V.LOG

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THIS ONE

austere depot
# rocky wraith And it very SPECIFICALLY killed Andrew Clinton

I am not sure where to place Clinton yet. On one side, he is one of my candidates for installing the WRDN. On the other, his control freak nature may have threatened the discovery of the WRDN installation.
More data on the guy is needed, but from what I have found (I will add log ID's when my headache ceases).

From what I have found:

He was not happy with his Ranking in the company.
He ousted McAllister (concrete firm) for not being tightlipped enough to his liking.
He overstepped his bounds and forgot rank.
Made decisions going against firm wishes, without consulting them (hiring Schaeffer).
Was fiercely defensive of keeping control (installing hearsay, resisting BIOCOM installation without assurances)

So on one side, he could have fought for control when KOVAC got out of control. On the other, being such a control freak, he might have been a threat to the installed WRDN. Mentioned in new logs, 2 of the 4 who held backdoor access to the Biocom were targeted and killed.

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(I'll fill out details but man, this headache.. )

rocky wraith
#

Oki so the log that matches the old one

#

Lorde has a tonne of changes in what they say but the content is the same

#

So lorde is confirmed different membrane

#

Piros says the EXACT same thing, up until the end where the only diffence made is where he says "I’m busy keeping you alive."

rocky wraith
#

Do WRDN access keys match?

#

across membranes?

#

another avenue for matching realities possibly

austere depot
#

If the WRDN unit also communicates across membranes (I will call it: Linked WRDN theory), then that may push Andrew out of the picture.

rocky wraith
#

yush

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Could the data keys interact with WRDNs across the dimensions?

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like how bishop came back with the datakey

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but it was the wrong bishop

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could that data key then have alerted WRDN to an alternate WRDN

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or at least when WRDN took over, could it have alerted to there being multiple biocoms

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or WRDN being from an ALT timeline???

silver sandal
eternal talon
austere depot
# silver sandal I think the most interesting reveal is that he was killed by the Allen's laser s...

I think that it is funny that Warden fits as an anagram for Andrew. A - N - D - R - E - W. W - A - R - D - E - N.

The correlations I can find, are as follows:
Issues with Biocom and KSO anomalies begins shortly after Andrew expresses frustration at the KOVAC situation.
The death of a friend (Igor Rokstok) at the hand of KOVAC KSO's is a possible motive.
A possible pattern is his tendency to step out of line and make decisions above his station.
If he started to dig into RISE. If he set the WRDN into motion for that purpose, to dig into RISE and KDS deep, that could explain how the WRDN was set on that path.
As an AI or a program, it could follow this programming long after his eventual death.

So far, that is one of the motives I can think of for the 'artifact' to atomize Andrew and everything on its path to him. That requires him to be the initial force behind the WRDN and the one programming it to be set on this path.

Second motive I can think of runs contradictory to all this. Andrew targeted for his ability to stop the WRDN. That however, may require the WRDN to be on the same side as the 'artifact'. And I struggle to develop any connection beyond an interest in RISE as a solution to the infection problem.

A Third motive may be that Andrew could have been infected, and it targeted him as one of them. Or targeted his helipad to stop him from leaving with the infection. He had a connection with Igor Rokstok, who shows symptoms photophobia in log: 8G5-R32-YHT, which is associated with the infected. This however, I have not managed to confirm.

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This is what I have managed to establish with what I have found so far. Might not be either of those three. Might even be that Andrew is a Red-herring or that the Helipad he was on was atomized unintentionally. We also do not have a witness confirmation of his death. The log states: "Unfortunately, one of the streams did hit the helipad outside hangar 3, which is where Mr Clinton was believed to be. His death would have been instantaneous." They did not know at this point. It also took until November 14. for Dead Lockwood to step in to replace him.

past matrix
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what if andrew wasn't killed, but rather absorbed into a consciousness that ended up becoming the Warden?

austere depot
silver sandal
austere depot
# silver sandal Thanks for the write up, very interesting stuff and nice to read your theories. ...

That is also very true. What we know is that the Helipad outside Hangar 3 was struck. We also know Andrew Clinton was believed to be there.
What we do not know however, is if it specifically target Clinton or the Helipad specifically for him. The logs up until now do not state with certainty that he was there.
In asking this, you made me think of something else. What if the Helipad was targeted not for Clinton, but cargo loaded for transport?
There was another incident at December 28th 2053 (log: LB2-4BK-902)

"Security footage shows the target left the facility at 23:46 on December 28th 2052. There is no record of him boarding official transport from the facility, and there were no air transports after 23:00 hours last night."

"The target is carrying extremely hazardous material which must be returned to the client at all costs. Ensure your operatives are wearing full protective gear at all times and follow the latest hazmat regulations."

This could be the incident tied to the state of truth broadcast (audiolog: EBDT-SOT-ALA.LOG). Given its date, it may also have been the cause of the infection reaching the surface.

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It makes me post two questions:

Why Clinton? That is if he was targeted specifically. If not Clinton, then why was the Helipad targeted?
Cargo is the answer I can come up with for the latter.

austere depot
# rocky wraith Could there be a timeline taking over another?

I am thinking.. not taking over another so much as the frequencies resonating. Joining / Blending / Bleeding over. Doctor Stokes theorizes:

Log: 2CB-5U8-DBK
"I mean, assuming this data is correct - and even if our equipment were damaged in some way it wouldn't give us false readings, it would give us nothing - but assuming it is correct that means that wherever Dr Durant and his team ended up, their clocks would be running faster."

"It's not a relativity issue. This is a calculable change in the quantum frequency. Durant's time was running faster than our time. And not by a little - by a lot. Back of the envelope math is 1 second in our quantum frequency is about 85 seconds in Durant's quantum frequency."

If this is true, time runs at a different rate in between membranes.

Log: 2MD-N3H-SYH
"We traditionally over complicate quantum superposition. At its most basic, it is just a simple addition of two states to create a new position. However, this simplification relies on an assumed consistency of universal physical law. It understands time on a linear scale, and a given quantum superposition is true in that instance only.."

"If something is predictable, it can be prepared for. A mechanic can be devised to control and manipulate it. If you know where a particle is going to be in your dimension, you can monitor that superposition for quantum frequency variations and record other timelines. Perhaps the Matter Wave Projector does exactly this. It tethers itself to a superposition that will happen in the future, and when that moment arrives, it switches waves and continues a new journey, in a new frequency, with a new set of universal laws."

If she is right, then the MWP (Matter Wave Projector) can be thought of as a 'doorway'.

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"This would explain why some teleported artifacts appear to enmesh with each other. Matter from different dimensions could get amalgamated or, or enmeshed as it occupies identical space-time for an instance. Chaos. Unpredictability from a predictable occurrence."

It is not so much a travel in between the membranes as a shift and thus, things mesh together. That, I believe, includes the characters. @rocky wraith you raise an interesting point in what effect this could potentially have on the WRDN and Biocom. What would happen to a biological supercomputer with malicious software installed when it is aware of itself but not self aware? I think things are going to be interesting going forth.

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Found something else that I believe we have missed so far. If alterations in time 'flow' is a sign of altering membranes / frequencies. Then something shifts the lower we go.

"The clocks on L37 are running slow. All of them, all by the exact same amount. There's a 230 second deviation every 24 hours. We have the same clocks on L36 and they keep perfect time."

Log: JUX-5DD-DDD

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My tin-foil take on this: Whatever is down there..
Is extremely hostile towards clocks

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🤔

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I mean, have any of you seen a single clock in the complex?
What if everything we assumed is wrong?

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What if the beam weapon was a surgical precision strike to take out all the clocks in the complex?

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And it killed Clinton for his Rolex!

faint river
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lore of R3?

austere depot
# faint river lore of R3?

I have only one thing to say there. If that one is released come Easter 2023...
I will have a mighty laugh.

First though, the serious lore:
R3 is all about project RISE. At the end of Rundown 2, you retrieve the Neonate.
Rundown 3 takes the players through the steps of 'processing' the Neonate. And if you ask me, R3 has but all the darkest implications of all the rundowns so far, showing the true depravity of Dreyfus and its underlying firms.

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The process of the Neonate is as follows: Resuscitation. It is put through a machine that forces life back into it. Neonates do not live or die by their own choice or circumstances. They are product, livestock.

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Next step is depressurization: Its HSU is broken apart and it is brought 'into the world'. Given Neonates (newly born) are infants, one could see this as ripping it out from its 'womb'.

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Final step: Imprinting. The neonate is forcefully mentally imprinted with that the firm wants it to know. If you wind the audio log, with a cacophony of voices that sounds like 'gibberish', you actually find some of its data that it is imprinted by. Likely, it learned language in this way.

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Are you ready for the part where I will have a laugh?
Symbolically, the entire journey through R3 can be interpreted as a negative version of the resurrection of Christ (bible story).

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The neonate is dead and entombed in an HSU casket.

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First, it is resurrected.
Second, the door to the tomb is lifted away.
Third, it is set to commune with the holy spirit (only it is IMPRINTING).
And the holy spirit in this tale, is something far more sinister...

sudden crest
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nice

austere depot
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It is why I wonder about the interest the WRDN has in Rise. If there is a super advanced race. If they failed to fight the infection, what is one thing humanity could have that could potentially be stronger? That would give humans a way to find an answer which a hyper advanced civilization might not?

Seeing the design, intentions and practice behind project RISE and LEGION, I am thinking Depravity

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How messed up would one have to be to create, perhaps grow genetically gene spliced, infant slaves?

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R3 lore-wise is my favorite so far. It makes me sick.
Dimension tethers, alternate membranes are all infinitely fascinating and I honestly think so. So far though, nothing gave me such pause as the implications behind R3. No amount of infinite universes can wash away the sins of what occurs in it. The fact that the same choices may have been made in multiple dimensional membranes just makes it worse.

rocky wraith
austere depot
rocky wraith
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Back when there was that sudden appearence of biomass over several dozen levels out of no where

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I think timelines crossing could have deposited those sleepers there

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But I think we can conclusively say that R6D4 was in preparation for this. Collecting corrupted datakeys across ALTs to gather information

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unless the devs are still placing that mission under the pretense that the teleporting mechanic there wasn't canon

austere depot
rocky wraith
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I can't wait to see ALT R6, as I think D4 might be retconned into being exactly that

austere depot
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and that is the real reason why I write, because the sharing of ideas is important - and input, even more so.
Ironically, by sharing, we are doing the opposite of the members of Project insight.

rocky wraith
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XP

austere depot
rocky wraith
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I've been chewing it over a lot

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it would explain a lot of the sleepers and instances

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What if the Tethers aren't just spatially distinct, but temporally too

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our allen down in the depths who was in the psychiatrist logs, who "vanished without a trace"

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How the flyers 'warp' in

austere depot
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And the shadows. Caught in between?

rocky wraith
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exactly

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What if there shadows are exactly that

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shadows of them from the ALT timeline

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or as you said, caught in-between

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partially transferred but not fully yet

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R7E1, was massively distinct from R6B1. But what if it was an ALT as well?

austere depot
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Perhaps. I would say R6D4 is a step towards confirming frequency shifts however.

sudden crest
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You could explain away alarm surges with this as well, considering the waves don’t come from anywhere and “spawn” in.

austere depot
# rocky wraith I think timelines crossing could have deposited those sleepers there

Say then, that the sleepers cross over more easily. Not sure how or why they would, but if we go out from that assumption.
What then, if the breach on October 12th into the inner sanctum, initiated a resonation event. Membranes 'meld' on a larger scale.
Sleepers cross over into a massively melded membrane and they do so in force. They overrun everything.

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How they do so however requires another pattern to be explained.
What if it is tied to their rapid mutations?
Our player characters happen to share the exact same genome data across the spheres. Hell, they are identical across.

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The virus and parasite however, create entirely new genetic trees and strains as they go along.

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If similar genetics is what allows our player characters to 'meld', alterations could potentially allow the infected to 'split'

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and replicate across membranes

rocky wraith
austere depot
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I'll post the logs for this!
Log: 834-786-872

Most interesting is this one, Log: 23G-B8E-MGK
"Genome analysis of the creatures indicates many of them share no common ancestors at all. There are similarities between the genetic structure of the creatures, but their evolutionary paths are entirely unique. They are not branches; they are trees. This leads me to believe these creatures come from many different places."

rocky wraith
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I don't think it's tied to the mutations or the genomes

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I think it's tied to this "collective consciousness"

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that was posited in one of the logs for the parasites

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on another note

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came across "Quantum Frequencies" as a way to shift through matter in a show

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As we are talking I was watching this old family scifi show called "a town called eureka" and in season 3 episode 6 a guy is using a device to shift his quantum frequency in order to bypass walls

austere depot
rocky wraith
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Then he has to be held together (through magic scifi light at the correct frequency) while his body slowly decoheres as his quantum frequence destabilises from shifting frequencies too much. (literally falling apart molecule by molecule)

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A coincidence like this really is freaky. Imagine rewatching your old nostalgia show and come across an obscure science thing relating to a single game you frequent that uses that exact same science thing for nearly the same effect

austere depot
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Let's use Bishop the angry brit for this.
Bishop exists in 'variants' across say.. Membrane A, B, C, D, E, F, G.
By frequency shifts, Bishop would 'shift' into himself in another membrane. I believe this is what happens in a 'meld'. So if membrane A, B and C were to meld, I believe the three Bishops would shift into one. This would however require the time and place to be very similar in between the melding membranes.

If the sleepers mutate with such high virulence, then the details of their makeup variate with such strength, then they could possible register different in between Membrane A, B, C, D, E, F and G. An individual infected around the same time in membrane A and B, could end up drastically different in both. So if a melding occurs in between, instead of a 'meld' two variants appear in the new membrane.

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If there is a hivemind, this would give the hivemind twice the numbers on a 'membrane' scale.

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...Twice the numbers on a scale that is possibly infinite? . _ .

rocky wraith
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I would counter-argue that this is built on the false supposition that these 7 membranes all contain that same individual, when we can already identify that while some membranes have 'identical' people, many in fact contain different people, new people, and miss some people. Because of this I think it may work slightly differently.

The wait... hang on a second

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"We traditionally over complicate quantum superposition. At its most basic, it is just a simple addition of two states to create a new position. However, this simplification relies on an assumed consistency of universal physical law. It understands time on a linear scale, and a given quantum superposition is true in that instance only"

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adding 2 states to make a new one

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Melding 2 timelines to make a new one

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The matter wave projector works by aligning the two frequences and crossing them. What if every time the matter wave projector is used, it imposes both realities upon each other

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and the more it is used, the more inconsistancies appear?

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memories where there aren't supposed to be?

austere depot
# rocky wraith memories where there aren't supposed to be?

Possibly!
But that is why I also think where the strengths of the virus lie.
Bishop A and Bishop B are very similar. In the new timeline, they mesh together as one.
The virus in timeline A and timeline B mutate a host very differently. It therefore brings over variant A and B in the new timeline.

rocky wraith
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so kind of doubling the number of sleeprs

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I see what you mean

austere depot
rocky wraith
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not so much just the virus

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but both virus and parasite

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I think the collective intelligence of the parasite is to blame for that

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already the more complex the sleepers get, the stronger they get, the more bizarre abilities that appear

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That is a result of the parasites, not the virus

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Remember the terrifying aspect of the flood?

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the more there was the smarter and stronger they become. until eventually the graveminds can literally rip open jump holes

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I think the collective consciouness of the parasites may be similar

austere depot
# rocky wraith I think the collective intelligence of the parasite is to blame for that

I just had a crazy idea in regards to that.

"However, I have also isolated hundreds of parasites that do not carry the virus and yet their behavior is identical to infected parasites, indicating the presence of collective intelligence. The parasites are highly social and will work together to ensure attachment to a host - using strategies that are far beyond the capability of an individual parasite. It is unlikely that these complex behaviors can all be attributed to implanted behaviors from the virus."

What if the Virus, though it appears beneficial to the parasites, affect them in ways we are not yet able to determine?
They show signs of a collective intelligence in both states. But what if, as the virus piggybacks of the parasite to get inside a host, it alters the 'programming' of the hosts growth, mutation and development.

rocky wraith
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alters how?

austere depot
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For example: Would the effects of the parasite without the virus be observable without allowing for infection of the parasite alone?
What if the virus is what parasitic mushroom are to ants? (sort of)
Gets in their heads and alters their base drive.

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The 'inner sanctum' and its 'artifact' is tied to the virus. What if the parasites, through the use of hosts, made it?
And what they fled, was the virus variants of themselves.

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A collective intelligence might alter its behavior and motivation if each part of that collective is altered by something. Which could be the effect the virus has on the parasite.

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...Craving more data 👀 x'D

rocky wraith
finite vine
eternal talon
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where did this come from?

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can i get some context?

eternal talon
harsh saffron
eternal talon
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what the fuck

austere depot
eternal talon
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thank FUCK this stuff is post-apocalpyse. it would easily add ~6 paragraphs to the already long for dummies doccument

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speaking of which

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@shut mountain Would you kindly please replace the 📌 of the previous "FOR DUMMIES" document with this one? This file has been UPDATED with information from ALT//R2.
- A reminder to those reading this document to get familiar with the lore, this file is too large to click expand, as such you must either download it, or click "View Whole File"

📎 GTFO_Lore_For_Dummies_V5-1.txt
rocky wraith
rocky wraith
willow zenith
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I have a dumb question, not super familiar with the lore

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HSU tech was developed for the Mars trip, and presumably space exploration in general - with obvious problems

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But why was it ever being installed in Garganta? Easier opportunity for research away from prying eyes?

cobalt mulch
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it's in the fordummies txt above, they wanted brain-chipped operatives that voluntarily or involuntarily lose most memory

willow zenith
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From reading it seems like it was being put in before any of the outbreaks

eternal talon
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it went terribly wrong on the international stage but they didnt want to abandon it, so they kept working on it in secret

willow zenith
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Ok yeah I just wasnt sure if I was interpreting that stuff correctly

cobalt mulch
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and kso hydrostasis stasis'ed operatives consume no food no oxygen etc

eternal talon
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originally it wasn't designed to make an army, but they used the 'downside' of memory wiping as an upside

eternal talon
eternal talon
rocky wraith
willow zenith
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So Iridium mining was one of the primary purposes of Garganta, and the opportunity to install HSU tech was a bonus in two ways - being able to further research, as well as an easy to control workforce to convince to do Dangerous Things deep underground

eternal talon
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in regards to controlling miners, not really.

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kovac mostly used KSOs for security purposes.

willow zenith
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Is there any evidence so far anyone potentially knew they were digging into an ancient alien site, or are they just saying "LOL WOOPS sorry for the apocalypse"

eternal talon
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near the end it was pretty damn sure the virus came from that region of mexico, but not much else

willow zenith
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Yeah it just think if Iridium truly was one of the primary goals, or just a cover for digging down there in the first place

eternal talon
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it was santonian's goal, for sure.

rocky wraith
# willow zenith Yeah it just think if Iridium truly was one of the primary goals, or just a cove...

During the time there was a heavy focus on getting more resources as wars were breaking out or something. The mars missions were supposed to begin colonising mars but with that holdup with the destruction of the spaceship hope was kinda lost. Megacorps like Dreyfus industries were beginning to own everything and money and profit trumped everything else. This was no small amount of iridium detected, this was enough to truly set them up as one of the top dogs for resources world wide

abstract shuttle
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Lol

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I knew I was right about them HSU's killing Nam-V

shut mountain
severe prairie
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what was found in ALT 2?

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I cant find any noticable changes in the for dummies document

stone swift
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Found another one I haven't seen sent, apologies if this has already been found and put here

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harsh saffron
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Oh nice, which level is that?

honest sky
stone swift
stone swift
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I can record audio if I find a group patient enough to wait, but that can be a big ask sometimes

honest sky
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Not too bad, still got E1 to do, so i'll pass by eventually. Thanks

harsh saffron
topaz flare
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alright i left for a moment what is our new lore in Alt R2 other than state of truth

honest sky
topaz flare
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and why do they care to silence him...

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hello?

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common sense

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please

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it is nice seeing what happened to him after outbreak outbreak

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but still

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its confuseing

honest sky
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Why they care? No idea.
Resistance? SoT is a conspiracy theorist, he's propably been calling himself and his listeners the rsistance for a while

harsh saffron
honest sky
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Hmm, sounds like i have some catching up to do

topaz flare
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me too

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for R2 alt that is

topaz flare
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unless he knows someone is lessoning or there is a safe city somewhere

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why would he do it?

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a safe city is the only reasoning that makes sense as in why are we sent down to the complex

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to find a cure

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or kill the hive mind that is giving out commands

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or queen

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it can be both of those

honest sky
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Broadcast you mean? Gotta stay busy during the apocalypse. Also he propably has strong believes guiding him.
Would be nice if the Warden is acting for some sort of safe city, could also be running on autopilot, with it's creators long gone. We don't know how in control the warden is.(Whats the scope of its operation)

topaz flare
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and make sense almost

honest sky
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May i recommend the game Rain World?

topaz flare
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i mean the warden is an AI so it would make sense

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but why would it dispose of ppl

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if it needs everybody he can get

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biocom surely would stop it from wasting resoruces

leaden kite
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one question i have (not really related to what you guys are saying) but what actually is the NAM-V. is it the sleepers? i saw you guys talking about a hive mind or queen type figure, and i remember that log saying that BIOCOM was operating using a biological system. so is the NAM-V or hivemind or whatever taking control of biocom? also how does the warden fit in with all this (stupid question seeing as we all know nothing about the warden (i think) but i figure i might as well ask)

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hope that made sense

eternal talon
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Don't forget it purged hundreds of infected HSUs early in the timeline.

topaz flare
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a very very fast muataiting virus

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like it has over god knows how many varraints

topaz flare
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the virus co existed with the parasite it made it live longer

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and the parasite moved it around

leaden kite
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two more questions: did it come from site alpha (idrk what its called but the other dimension place) and is it what caused the sleeper outbreak in garganta?

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mutating the workers or whatever

topaz flare
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but because of the fast and unstable mutation chances it prop become air born as well

eternal talon
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And yes, those HSUs were class-F infected, so what's the deal with that? Not all HSUs can stop it? Or these ones were junk

topaz flare
leaden kite
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ah ok

eternal talon
topaz flare
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gases infected ppl and it mutated inside the person

eternal talon
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In pins

leaden kite
topaz flare
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and because warden didn't want it to speard more

leaden kite
topaz flare
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it just killed everyone that had it

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thats alright

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welcome to the nightmare we live in

eternal talon
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Don't apologize

leaden kite
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haha fr

topaz flare
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thankfully i know how to deal with bs lore

eternal talon
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The LFD is the most compact pre-appcalypse lore summary we have

topaz flare
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cause i liked fnaf lore

eternal talon
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Gtfo has more than 250 logs

leaden kite
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peices of all of them but nothing too big

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ima go read the thing you told me to be back soon

topaz flare
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we dont remember all of them either....

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frostty may cause his big nerd

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but other than him we dont remember all the logs

leaden kite
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was just tryina say i cant remember much of the lore at all

topaz flare
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just the story we managed to piece

topaz flare
eternal talon
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I also collect screenshots of the logs and levels on steam

topaz flare
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i see

leaden kite
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welp after reading all that i dont even know what to say

topaz flare
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perhaps Yes.

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will be a good word to use

leaden kite
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the only question i have, although i know it dosent have an answer, is that if i wonder if everyone is already dead and the warden is just sticking to its program and end goals (whatever they may be) even though the rest of humanity was killed off by nam-v

topaz flare
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and what is the question?

leaden kite
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i dont even know

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im just trying to comprehend all the information i just took in

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i guess it wasnt a question just me theorizing

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BIOCOM being a biologically based system (correct me if im wrong but i believe thats what i read in a alt R2 log) hints that the nam-v virus might be able to infect it in some way. again tho im just throwing ideas out

topaz flare
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i mean it may already have

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as it tried to shut off all power

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but warden stopped it

leaden kite
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interesting

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thats actaully very interesting

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makes ya wonder what the warden really is

topaz flare
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an AI

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play R7

leaden kite
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i know that much

topaz flare
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warden is a DAI

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a decision AI

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it takes data in and give you options

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and acts on those options

leaden kite
topaz flare
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sorry xd

leaden kite
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i meant more what it is as in what it was built for, who let it into biocom, and why they let it into biocom

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also its goals

leaden kite
topaz flare
leaden kite
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also moving more off the topic of the warden real quick: (also again correct anything i say that may be wrong) but why isnt schaffer taking the effects and dying to the nam-v? if im not mistaken he dosent go back into hydrostasis does he?

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unless he is and ive just overlooked it

topaz flare
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thats...

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HOLY SHIT THATS A GOOD QESUTION!

leaden kite
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lmao

topaz flare
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HAHAHAHA

leaden kite
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glad i could say something interesting

topaz flare
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the best answer i can give

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is disinfaction packs

leaden kite
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lmao

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the answer the world needed

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i cant tell if your joking with that one

topaz flare
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no

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the answer is most likely

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disinfaction packs

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we use it to get rid of the infection

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so why can't he do the same?

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and disinfaction stations around the complex

leaden kite
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ah, i was just under the assumption that the dissinfection packs where just a gameplay mechanic

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coz from what i know it dosent really line up with everything else does it?

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like why wouldnt the complex staff just use those?

topaz flare
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they do

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...

leaden kite
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ah alright

topaz flare
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thats why it exists

leaden kite
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again this is just me going off of what i know

topaz flare
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oh i know sorry if i made you feel bad

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xd

leaden kite
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nah ur g lmao