gtfo-lore

[silver sandal]

one thing i didnt get is why the complex is so massive. if each Rundown is a separate hole the place is absolutely huge. All that for digging? obviously they have HSU and Neonate storage, reactors and things like that. And onsite residential and medical for workers.

i wouldnt mind seeing more stuff like that in the level design, people working deep down there have to eat. Show us the mess hall or sleeping quarters sometime

or labs, or amories

would be crazy to come up on more battle sites as well since they've been fighting the infected down there for decades

[molten tundra]

We've seen HSU and Neonate storage, and reactors, and huge laboratories, and dig sites

We've seen a lot of storage space

[silver sandal]

yeah thats what i mean, we know those things exist

[solar nova]

We have labs, lmao

[molten tundra]

we haven't seem residential bits i asumme mostly due to the devs not having made a residential tileset (one could say its because the warden wouldnt need to send us there, but like, the devs could invent a reason if they wanted us to)

some of the levels have battle sites where you can find the corpses of dead sleepers

[silver sandal]

thats cool

[molten tundra]

I'm reminded of r7c1

but there's others too

[silver sandal]

so the alt rundowns are a separate timeline/earth?

[molten tundra]

That's the current theory

Why we're visiting them is currently unknown

[stone vine]

i j realized something super cool

the complex is called gargantua bc it most likely resembles a giant throat

but

yk what else

the earthquakes that would metaphorically be the throat “coughing” and infecting the mayan people 😳

idk if the devs intended that but it’s cool

they label parts of the complex like it’s a person and it also acts like it very much like it’s “alive” in a way which i think is tru

not literally but mainly referring to the sleeper biomass

and how it takes over and then spreads

gargantua is like a massive metaphor for sleepers

[toxic flower]

the complex is alive

[eternal talon]

trilliions of dollars worth of iridium mining, then eventually a lot of it being converted into research space for the stuff they found

[eternal talon]

we do see labs

[stone vine]

also the crater is massive like

12 miles down

and tens of miles wide

its completely plausible

they earned trillions in iridium due to the sheer amount of it, ofc they would expand the operation as far as possible

plus the fact its also a hidden lab operation

they need a lot of room if theyre making stuff like pmoms, tanks, etc

[stone vine]

yeah

i calculated it once and they basically lose no money in paying employees and running facilities due to the sheer amount of iridium profit

like 2.5k per troy ounce in the biggest meteor crater on earth?

thats a lot

yeah we canonically do come back

r8

were technically still matched up with our timeline but in a different universe

which means were in a different part of time relating to our own universe in a different universe

but i feel like we do something very significant in alt that likely has to do with destination that will actually alter our own universe

we can go back and forth, warden is running them at the same time

but think abt it this way

if in our universe we do something big like set off a rocket for example

the same thing would happen in alt a month later

so if we set off a rocket and go back to alt we can technically do the exact same thing

and off-set the timeline

no idea how that would change our universe

maybe it would cause confusion like the earthquake

maybe it would completely mess up time

but i think our universe is leaking into alt at the very least which means i think we will def experience some "deja vu" asides from the carbon copies of our own world

my best guess is destination caused a rip in space or something

we know the artifacts are unpredictable to an extent and could have totally caused something like this

i mean we hear and see how unstable they are

who's to say destination doesn't link multple universes considering alt also has seemingly the same artifacts right?

would be super funky if we find evidence of missing people from artifact incidents in alt or something

[eternal talon]

r8 isnt out yet so we cannot say for certain.

[eternal talon]

no comment. it's a possibility, but we need to know more before i take a stance.

[stone vine]

highly assuming it isn’t alt

[stone vine]

yeah i’m all speculation

but atm this seems like the best guess with what info

we have

we still do canonically come back though due to multi sensor processing

meaning warden has access to both and we can go back and forth

so unsure how warden figured something like artifacts out though

must be some seriously smart ai

considering everything is probs connected somehow it might be easier than i think

[past matrix]

still convinced there's people working with the warden tbh

[silver sandal]

makes sense. trillions of dollars spent and fighting the infected for decades, i wonder if there are upper members of the company rotating in and out of HSU's in protected sections of the complex

[stone vine]

actually the complex is more than likely completely abandoned

asides from ppl stuck in hsus and escaped prisoners

the outside world is overrun by sleepers

the virus effectively killed everything so money at this point means nothing]

they were fighting it but it was already too late to put money into a heavy amount of military gear

even if they did it would be futile

the money went into creating creatures and testing as well as more mining operations and the mars stuff

ofc they did spend on military tech which we know

but it was for protection not neccesarily with the intent of wiping these things out

by the time it started it was basically too late

the minute they drilled into the actual biomass and unleashed the seismic energy they basically screwed over everything

the beam of energy from that wrecked the servers, they got overrun by sleepers climbing through the holes in the ground caused by the energy blasts

[eternal talon]

There are no sleepers on the surface. Only corpses. There is almost certainly nothing anywhere near garganta that is alive to infect.

[eternal talon]

Mission to Mars was decades before they even decided to make garganta.

If you mean destination, that isn't mars.

[eternal talon]

The minute the two scientists didn't use quarantine equipment in the void was the moment it was too late.

It went from them, to the other staff, to the relaxation camp on the surface, to the Atlantic Ocean, and to the rest of the world through ocean currents and fish.

[stone vine]

i’m well aware

doesn’t change the fact that correlated companies were spending money on going to mars

[eternal talon]

no.

that was Kovac and the european space agency.

[stone vine]

were they not connected though?

wasn’t there a log abt it

[eternal talon]

aaaaall the way back in 2035

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=d9d05623054a4f3fb6f3e0792fc6e502&pm=s

[stone vine]

i may have been confused as it was in kds deep

[eternal talon]

what was in kds deep

[stone vine]

that log

or som abt it

was in that level

[stone vine]

not sure abt that

we have no reason to deny it

[eternal talon]

but there will be two surprising guests observing proceedings from Flight Control.

One is Janson Davies, CTO of Dreyfus Industries. Perhaps that is not so surprising given that Dreyfus seem to have a hand in everything these days (and Davies himself is a known space fanatic). Next to him, a seat has been reserved for a representative from Kovak Defense Services. Yes, that Kovak Defense Services, the company that offers dubiously dubbed “security services” for over 150 of the Fortune 500 companies and several less-than-democratic governments. KDS also run multiple correctional facilities across the globe, including the US, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Brazil. Their detention methods are frowned upon by lawmakers in the European Union, but despite the distaste many Brussels politicians have for KDS, they will have a seat at the launch party. They’ll insist on it, in fact, and no one at the ESA is going to argue with the people writing the checks.

[stone vine]

sure the cdc only recorded deaths but imo it’s plausible that sleepers are on the surface

[eternal talon]

yeah we do. we have absoloutely rock solid evidence

[stone vine]

which is?

[eternal talon]

the fact that the parasite didn't even exist in garganta at the time when nam-v went global

the first log with the parasite is years after if i recall correctly

lemme check

[stone vine]

oh the parasite was a development then?

it evolved afterwards

[eternal talon]

it just wasn't a part of the unexpected void they dug into that released nam-v i'd reckon

[stone vine]

ohhh

[eternal talon]

it couldn't have evolved after.

one of hammerstein logs talks about it being as old as the virus

[stone vine]

i was just asking if that was the case

i see though

yeah not enough time and it would have before but like

there’s still possibility it’s on the surface

[eternal talon]

nam-v would have easily killed all of the potentional hosts long before the parasite could get there to infect them

[stone vine]

the virus doesn’t actually kill everyone

[eternal talon]

with r6b1, NOW there is

[stone vine]

either

[eternal talon]

but that'd be some heavy assumptions on if they could find anything to infect at all near garganta,

and even then it wouldn't be the billions of sleepers.

[stone vine]

i wasn’t thinking billions

i was saying the only thing left is sleepers

“overrun” meaning no humanity

[eternal talon]

there are humans on the surface.

[stone vine]

barely

[eternal talon]

even with extreme estimates, there are hundreds of thousands, to millions

[stone vine]

true, but that’s barely anything

[eternal talon]

enough to consider. you can't just throw them out of the equation

[stone vine]

i’m not trying to but imo it’d make more sense the surface has sleepers

[eternal talon]

and i'm saying its extremely unlikely. in perfect conditions i'd doubt more than two thousand.

[stone vine]

possibly but that all depends on what year we’re currently in and what’s happened we still don’t know how much is developed

[eternal talon]

the entire peninsula was quarantined by kovac and turned into an exclusion zone

[eternal talon]

2062+

r3 was in 2062.

[stone vine]

exactly

uh huh a lot can happen in a decade

not insane crazy things

[eternal talon]

not repopulating the earth to be reinfected.

nobody is going anywhere near garganta for a LONG time

[stone vine]

except us lmao

[eternal talon]

the place is biohazard centeral

[eternal talon]

we were there to begin with.

[stone vine]

obv

i’m sure some people got lucky and went home before the quarantine stuff

probs still died

[eternal talon]

yes, nam-v has a 100% lethality rate within 5 weeks.

[stone vine]

if the parasite does get to the surface, i am personally assuming it has but i could be wrong, then the speculated 100k to million or so people are basically what just hosts

also

the possibility of destination creatures inhabiting the surface isn’t undeniable

not sure if those are exactly sleepers

[eternal talon]

i'm not saying it hasn't. it HAS with the floaters. they can fly.

i'm just saying the numbers of sleepers on the surface would be miniscule

[stone vine]

yeah the walking ones

[eternal talon]

definately not

you can't climb 200+ meters of 90 degree angle wall

[stone vine]

u sure

[eternal talon]

yes.

[stone vine]

they’ve climbed up the holes before

[eternal talon]

WRDN sealed the place tighter than a catholic virgin

[stone vine]

well

maybe after wardens bs

but during the initial energy burst

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=860f5b5e30304a4fa8f9e554b95a4bdd&pm=s

[eternal talon]

sauce?

[stone vine]

sorry i’m still madly assuming here but i have log explanation for it

[eternal talon]

Kovac Defensive Services have a comprehensive contract with both the Santonian Mining Company and the Mexican government that allows Kovac to establish martial law and "administrate punitive consequence" over any person within the exclusion zone. This is not just a company contract, it is national law.

All workers at Garganta and the surrounding area agree to these regulations when they sign their contract.

2053

[stone vine]

yk when they hit the core right while mining

[eternal talon]

before the blast.

[stone vine]

and basically caused an earthquake

which caused the holes in datacenter

which right after there was a bunch of bio detection

[eternal talon]

yes, but that doesnt mean they climbed up the holes like spiderman

[stone vine]

i’m assuming said detection was the sleepers that crawled up said holes after the complex was basically fried

[stone vine]

that’s been my entire thing since r1

[eternal talon]

santonian had bore holes. they were ming down there

[stone vine]

spider man sleepers

[eternal talon]

they'd have extensive tunnels and vertical lifts/stairs

before the detonation

[stone vine]

i mean yeah sleepers could also use those but they were being regulated

[eternal talon]

those bore drills are fucking HUGE

[stone vine]

we already know they were killing them deeper down

[stone vine]

and making them

yeah the dig site drills

but once the rundown got fucked they cant do much

and also who knows what was in that blast

it uncovered the biomass itself

[eternal talon]

it shot from the inner. anything biological would have been turned to dust.

[stone vine]

rundown

complex

i mean

[eternal talon]

if it can shoot through THOUSANDS OF MEETES OF ROCK AND STONE

i'm sure some meat isnt gonna stop it

[stone vine]

considering someone had an actual account of seeing it

[eternal talon]

it'll destroy it like everything else

[stone vine]

sure it killed things

[eternal talon]

seeing what

[stone vine]

but some ppl weren’t in blast radius

the energy blasts

hold on

[eternal talon]

it shot straight lines, it isn't a nuke

[stone vine]

yes that’s exactly what i mean

i feel like ur getting my point LMAO

i am saying exactly that

[eternal talon]

it didn't leave any exposed biomass

[stone vine]

not what i mean

sorry my wording is so bad

[eternal talon]

because any biomass that would have been exposed would have been obliterated

[stone vine]

they drilled into it

and it went ape shi

shit

[eternal talon]

they drilled into the inner

[stone vine]

yes

that

[eternal talon]

it detonated becasue of whatever the fuck hammerstein did

in the inner

[stone vine]

yes

[eternal talon]

while standing there with his researchers and kso squads

who we know to be alive

[stone vine]

yes

[eternal talon]

since schaeffer mentions them holding off sleepers left and right

[stone vine]

exactly the log i’m talking abt

yeah

my speculation is though

[eternal talon]

**../BIOCOM
illicit communication
meta3.date_stamp(531013.130946)
concern begins/..

D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.D017.tier4.a_chaperon.flagged

Well fuck me, you called it Art.

What the hell just happened? The entire place shut down on us. Gianna said the mole broke through some kind of barrier. She noped the fuck out of there and told Insight to go and investigate it. Not that I’d call her a reliable source anymore. 4 of her team have bit it in the last 3 years, so… yeah. It doesn’t take much for her to GTFO.

So Insight charges in (FUCK THOSE GUYS) and clears the area. As per we don’t hear shit from them. I’ve got a 300 strong workforce all looking at their Pit Boss waiting for an order, only I know as much as they do so fuck me, right?

Then I remembered that backdoor you told me about, so a bit of rewiring here, a cable patch there and…I had a listen. DON’T PANIC. I was careful. Used up all my knowledge from CS studies in community college.

Anyway, I didn’t understand a lot of what the nerds were talking about but I did get that they sent a probe in to inspect the chamber. They’ve got KSOs holding off Sleepers left and right but they’re keeping it held down then suddenly BOOM. I know you must have felt it. We were topside and we felt it. Honestly, I thought the walls were going to collapse and we’d all be drowned then I remembered I built them so NAH WE GOOD.

I don’t know what it was though. Some kind of energy blast that fucked up anything in its path and left behind these molten passages. Like shit isn’t mad enough already on this job, now we got laser beams shooting at us.

Fucken. Nutz.

They’ve told us we’re all getting a week off while they figure out “the issue”. I know I’m gonna lose some people over this. They’ll risk the Kovac perimeter rather than go back down there.

Fuck this. Fuick them. Fuck you. Only not you. See you in Chix for stogie.

Shafe.**

[stone vine]

the sleepers were deeper right like near the inner and that opened up more holes to traverse the complex

and also

i am unsure what’s in the inner entirely

other than the obv sleeper bs

[eternal talon]

we dunno.

[mellow carbon]

cring

[eternal talon]

whatever the allens had in there.

[stone vine]

but im sure that drilling into it is what all the datacenter logs r talking abt

[eternal talon]

their ship, whatever powers it, the artifacts, and whatever else

[stone vine]

not the protocol

but the biosig

and server shutdown

[stone vine]

boohoo

[eternal talon]

**-------------------------------------------
BIO TRACKER SURVEILLANCE EVENT LOG 53 10 11

[Remote feed printout]
[XX:XX] WARNING Unknown biomass on sub level [XXX]

Zones [CNNN]
[...]
[XX:XX] WARNING Unknown biomass on sub level [XXX]
Zones [CNNN], [CNNN]
[...]
[XX:XX] WARNING Unknown biomass on sub level [XXX]
Zones [CNNN], [CNNN], [CNNN]
[...]
[XX:XX] WARNING Unknown biomass on sub level [XXX]
Zones [CNNN], [CNNN], [CNNN], [CNNN]
[...]
[??:??] WARNING Unknown biomass on sub level [???]
Zones null, null, null, null, null
[...]

ERROR
DATA STREAM INTERRUPTED. Exiting ReadLog v1.12**

[stone vine]

yes

that’s exactly it

how u pull that shit out ur ass so

fast

**

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=2e0731e9db67496cb59bc35e466a7d4f&pm=s

notion.so

[stone vine]

yeah but it makes plenty of sense

atleast to me

that spider sleeper is atleast somewhat plausible

and imo based on zombie game stereotypes

[eternal talon]

i have the notion.so and the wiki pages favorited on my browser

[stone vine]

i wouldn’t deny the devs chuck some crazy surface shit at us

there’s probably a good few squidward a

squidwards**

maybe the military can hold off well enough

they probs can

[eternal talon]

which military? all the governments of the world collapsed

[stone vine]

well i’d assume some military officials/ bases exist

people w weapons

if we can do it they can too

[eternal talon]

we are mindless slaves

[stone vine]

there’s a reason ppl are alive they have to be secluded or somehow immune

yeah and we shoot a gun and it dies

so can other people

[eternal talon]

no natural immunity.

log says so

[stone vine]

well there u have it

if ppl r alive they have to be alone

[mellow carbon]

i was taking a stroll through the base when the monsters ATTACHED ME AND THEY STARTED GLOWING AND SHIT

[eternal talon]

doomsday preppers arent governments.

[stone vine]

i doubt they have hsu access

[mellow carbon]

IT WAS CRAZY MAYNE I JUST STARTED SWINGING AND SWINGING AND SWINGING AND SWINGING AND SWINGING AND SWINGING AND SWINGING

[stone vine]

does a military have to be a part of a gov

[mellow carbon]

AYO MAYNE THE MILITARY DID THIS SHIT MAYNE NO CAP FR FR

[stone vine]

thanks

[mellow carbon]

CANT TRUST THESE SNAKES CAUSE WE TRYNA HUSTLE OUT HERE IN THESE BUNKERS

[stone vine]

never mind i am definition wrong

i mean

ppl w boom boom and pew pew

i’m groups

in*

with armored security/ bases away from society

[mellow carbon]

AYO I WAS WITH THE BALLAS DOWN BELOW WHEN BIG SCARY MOFO WITH TENTACLES TRYNA GET ALL JAPANESE ALL UP ON MA GRILL

[mellow carbon]

WE BUSSA FEW ROUNDS IN HIM THO IT ALL GOOD

[stone vine]

ooooooohhh i mean militia

yes

not military militia

thankyou

[eternal talon]

maybe. but not in any significant numbers.

[stone vine]

yup

i agree w that

[eternal talon]

not enough to hold out against an infestation where even being in the vicinity of them puts you at risk of guaranteed death with nam-v.

<@&408548765599793173>

[stone vine]

no one’s finding u funny dawg

it’s just sad

[eternal talon]

little too spicy

[stone vine]

😭

extremely provocative material

yeah i can tell ur like that by ur edgy ass pfp

damn

he looks mad emo 🖤

[mellow carbon]

those tentacles do that to ya

[eternal talon]

where my mods at.

[cedar eagle]

Alright lets keep it on topic gents

[toxic flower]

take your time

wait a fucking second

[solid halo]

wait a minute this is not gtfo

heyyy i was telling a good story there

[eternal talon]

gtfo-lore isn't fanfiction. it is fictionfiction

[toxic flower]

it can be fanfiction

[eternal talon]

that was the second wave of messages to be sent to the void

[shut mountain]

You guys can shimmy back to topic now I hope

[eternal talon]

i'ma just wait until someone has a question, i'm working on stuff on my other monitor

[toxic flower]

i have a question
why are their masks unable to counter the infectious fog

[eternal talon]

because basically nothing is able to counter the fog.

hm...

**The subject's physiological changes do seem to be permanent. The ossification of the fibrous cartilage in both the spine and menisci appears to start at
the brain stem and spreads rapidly, possibly due to the greater intercellular space offered. Attempts to slow the spread have so far been unsuccessful.

Affected subjects show signs of cognitive reduction within a few days, which
accompanies the bent or stooped posture. They are able to continue menial
work for several weeks, before succumbing to the pain and physical
disability.

Opiates and derivatives ease the pain of the subjects, and we have been
administering liberally as no other form of palliative care appears to work.

I have our entire cellular biology department working on this, but so far
little progress has been made. Even after the parasite is removed, the viral
load increases. We cannot stop the progress of the virus, and our only
defense is SCBA Level A suits when in NAM-V hotspots. Even with this level of protection, the parasites are finding ways in.
**

in a sentence, we wear this(1), when this(2) isn't even enough to stop it.

and i say this because it specifies We cannot stop the progress of the virus, and our only
defense is SCBA Level A suits when in NAM-V hotspots. so it can't purely be the parasite that is what makes it so dangerous in areas of high concentration

[toxic flower]

hm

[stone vine]

tank old model

looking suits

[lilac island]

A paramilitary is an organization whose structure, tactics, training, subculture, and (often) function are similar to those of a professional military, but is not part of a country's official or legitimate armed forces. From wikipedia

[wooden wigeon]

grong would like a rundown on the lore please

[violet loom]

just read the for dummies doc

its in the pins

[eternal talon]

It's way too much to just give a rundown of.

The "for dummies" by itself is like 2-3 pages

[plush nest]

I feel like the dummies doc is good, some of the company names can get confusing

[eternal talon]

I didn't name them.

Dreyfus owns SMC and Insight.

Kovac is its own PMC.

Nyxos is a manufacturer

There are several more minor companies but they aren't really relevant to the lore.

[drifting island]

just to verify, there were no logs in OG R1. all of the alternate stuff is referencing previously established lore, not mirroring/altering OGR1 logs?

[past matrix]

all the alternate stuff is new, yeah. Logs weren't introduced until R2

[drifting island]

my buddy is excited to start reading the logs and discovering the lore from aR1, and (because alt timeline possibilities) i compared that to starting the lore for Dark Souls at DS3

is there a recommended path i could guide him to? seeing as he wants to do it the hard way do we start at R7 or aR1?

[past matrix]

its... complicated

if you want to start from the very beginning, I believe you can find the logs in order of release on here https://www.notion.so/GTFO-Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0

im sure R2 alt, etc will have the original logs, but considering R2 alt isnt coming out until probably December 9th

and r3 alt probably not till late jan/february, etc etc

r7 -> r1 alt is the current timeline rn so if they wanted to start with the content we have available, it'd go like that

but they would have to understand that r1 chronologically takes place a solid year or two before r7, just in another timeline

[drifting island]

they don't know about the timeline stuff yet 👀 i had to not elaborate on my comparison with them at all lol

but thank you, i suspected 7->a1->aX-> was the path, i appreciate the confirmation!

[eternal talon]

You can't play old rundowns at the moment that had critical lore.

Best bet would be to take your friend through the gtfo wiki's log section rundown by rundown

Or if you want in order then either the notion or the for dummies doc.

[drifting island]

i will definitely go through those for me, but he is pretty married to the idea of getting it from the level lol

[eternal talon]

Then I have bad news.

Some of the lore you can't get from levels, period. Some of it was emailed to us, some of it is locked exclusively to the santonian industries website.

And that is not to mention that more than half of the rundowns with critical lore are unplayable

And we don't know for certain alt//r2 will even have the original r2 logs because it's a different world-line

We've been cataloging things for years and your friend will not be able to experience all of the lore if he exclusively sticks to the game.

And this isn't even to mention the logs that are ciphered and encoded that took weeks for us as a community to crack.

[molten tundra]

Such is life when part of your games lore is delivered via an elaborate arg

[eternal talon]

An ARG where it's spread over two different websites and 60% of it is now unobtainable

[molten tundra]

The good news is you used to be able to get a lot of it from levels

The longer he waits the more you can prolly get

It's just uh

We have 5 rundowns of logs not currently avail

Not counting and OG r1 logs that are gone, or the ARG logs

[drifting island]

so this is a "catch up by R8" kind of a project for him so the rundowns not being here is a feature not a bug
_ those alt rundowns having different/altered logs we will cover by me stepping in and showing him the original. so thats solved by me becoming well versed to guide him

the ARG is a real problem, but again i am hoping to become well versed and save those for when he asks a question that i know can only be answered with an ARG that is gone forever

[eternal talon]

Well then all I can say is read the wiki logs, the "for dummies" document and pop in here and @me if you have any questions.

[drifting island]

i really appreciate it!! hopefully i can become a tutorial guide and a lore guide too

[eternal talon]

I'm probably the most active person in this channel, and have been around the longest discounting people that are inactive/haven't played in a long time.

[drifting island]

sounds good! i will post here to get the scoops! keep up the good work! and if you need a mule for anything lore related let me know!

[eternal talon]

not really. usually me and a couple people (usually warden and rayalot) race on day1 of a new rundown releasing to collect all the logs.

other than that i don't really play gtfo vanilla much except to gather screenshots and verify stuff i might have missed.

[drifting island]

gotcha gotcha

[ocean lake]

since there are no toilets in any place we have explored so far
did people just wear diapers

[molten tundra]

Chalk it up to the devs not adding a toilet tile

[honest sky]

Heat chutes just happened to take the path along all the bathrooms

[solemn kraken]

The holes were the toilets

So in R8 when we reach the ship expect...... shit

[ocean lake]

dear god

[fiery rune]

yeah thats actually what the enemies in the game are, theyre cockroaches just evolved

[zealous axle]

The 4 main characters are actually schizophrenics. The game does not take place in a huge underground facility, it's actually a kindergarden. The sleepers are the children, scouts are the caretakers and the big sleepers are the parents. The tank and mother are the male and female policemen, the flying enemies are police-drones.

[burnt wren]

another coin into the jar

[austere depot]

Crazy idea here. There is little evidence for it, but I had a thought.. I was just watching lore vids and looking at the timeline.

In the log BiocomPermissions (July 3, 2051) , Andrew Clinton opposes the Biocom installation as its system is set to assume full control of every subsystem within the facility. The lead engineer, Marcus Gantus, attempts to reassure him that backdoors into the system will be installed to re-assume control in case of a security breach.

Following the Log, BIOCOM online, The WARDEN Inherits Biocom access. It appears to do so however illegally (hacked). This means the Warden likely had backdoor access to the BIOCOM system. By 'inheriting' it, any backdoors were likely removed. Thus, the WARDEN assumed full control. The log is not timed, so when this happened, is not on any logs. I shall make a stab at a theory anyways.

Around November 14th 2053, Andrew Clinton is announced dead. How involved he was with the BIOCOM is not known, but if he had access keys to the security backdoor to the entire facility.. it could have a connection. He was very involved in the construction and management of the Complex. And a bit of a control freak, responsible for the hearsay monitoring system.

A few months after Andrew Clinton's death, Issues in BIOCOM begins.

• It makes requests to redirect power to HSU vaults, logged: April 5th 2054 (5 months later)
• First odd behavior of KSO's (Prisoners) are observed. On an escort mission, one makes a sudden stop and hides in a Broomcloset for 6 minutes before continuing with the escort as if nothing odd had happened. (May 4th, 2054)
• The first KSO operatives begin to show signs of program overlap and information sharing in between prisoners, which should be impossible since HSU erases previous memories (August 30, 2054)

Logical take: Someone had access to the warden backdoor key and used it to slowly overtake the facility. It is likely experiments were conducted on KS operatives to see how far they could push the Biocom system to increase their effectiveness. If Andrew Clinton were killed for those backdoor codes, hard to say.
Tin-foil and funnier take: Andrew is the operator behind the Warden unit. A-N-D-R-E-W as an anagram for W-A-R-D-E-N. The company lying and withholding information is a well known trait. Even if dead, it does not rule him out as a potential candidate as initiator for the takeover (if he had access keys).

[honest sky]

Tin-Foil take sounds real ngl

[silver sandal]

Blowing my mind with that final point

[eternal talon]

i'm assuming he means a GladOS type situation.

[austere depot]

I have very little to base it on though.
I am speculating that he had a worker, Igor Rockstock (C112) killed or his death arranged.
Or.. a possible motive for moving against the firm, perhaps?

Time of Death: July 28th 2053. Shot down by KSO's for entering a restricted area according to log: Re:Re Kovac mess
He laments in his email that it "Has gone too far and the KSO's are completely out of control"

Andrew C. appears to have received a reply at August 3rd 2053 from Andre Piros (A133)

Ironically, the hearsay system Andrew insisted on installing only proves that Igor acted in breach of contract, where it states that "KOVAC are allowed to utilize lethal force."

This could establish a motive to shut down the System. Or it could lean the other way as Igor criticized the Hearsay system (no date).

[silver sandal]

What's the hearsay system all about?

[austere depot]

A surveillance, report and record system from the looks of it.
Log: U5E-GGY-J89.LOG gives some insight into how it ended up being used. As a tool to further police workers.
In other examples, it is used by workers, researches and the players (Dauda, most notably) to record voice logs.

[burnt wren]

Orwelian 1984 is what it is

Calling it hearsay is such a move

[eternal talon]

there are no police in garganta. kovac had exclusive control over the entire zone.

[burnt wren]

He didn't mean literally

[silver sandal]

He's using police as a verb

[burnt wren]

Policing workers does not require the police

Dr Stokes uses it for logs, but I remember examples of using it to basically spy on people

Fucking warden at some point was scanning the entire database of it for trigger words trying to pin point who's spilling the beans

Just random convos

I think he was searching for "RISE" and instead kept getting shit like "muh dick is rising" or whatever

[silver sandal]

If your theory is correct that would indicate quite the power struggle within the company over control of the complex

[burnt wren]

Perfect timing, as always

Literal end of the world

[eternal talon]

we dont know for certain if wrdn is even human in origin

garganta was quite the mess.

[silver sandal]

Hoping it all connects in the end. So far we have clones, rogue AI, aliens, other dimensions, a plague/virus, etc.

[eternal talon]

no clones.

[silver sandal]

Are the neonates not cloned from someone else's DNA?

[eternal talon]

legion uses existing people and RISE just used human genetic material

[eternal talon]

no. one of the logs says so explicitly.

it quite literally is a grow at home baby at nitro speeds

[silver sandal]

So grown humans that aren't cloned got it

[eternal talon]

**AAD223BC80 #1002 - “... can complete the Rise project with your help. Imagine the possibilities if…” - flagged
B6A108AC43 #4913 - “... are not clones. RISE uses existing genetic material, but the resulting…” - flagged
134A6B31DE #0326 - “... even the KSO was surprised by the ferocity of the attack. We managed to...”
C48AD7B203 #1984 - “... going to require additional HSUs for Rise. Lockwood has been snooping…” - flagged **

**33B606C8EB #3021 - “... need to accelerate the growth of the Rise embryos if we are to…” -flagged
25D078D11C #1606 - “... applaud your enterprise, but this is not the time or place to be…” **

RETURN query “rise” -root -tree -int_server.1024_ciph.tier5 -all // r6cx

log.

[silver sandal]

"Existing Genetic material" 🤔

[eternal talon]

y'know.

even today there are companies that are based specifically in this kind of stuff

[silver sandal]

There's also companies specializing in cloning FWIW

[eternal talon]

**B6A108AC43 #4913 - “... are not clones. RISE uses existing genetic material, but the resulting…” - flagged **

[silver sandal]

Yeah bud I read that when you just posted it a second ago, no need to repost FYI

Regardless, no need to get off topic into pedantry, the effect is the same whether they are clones or grown

Kinda wish they would do another ARG for R8

[stuck orbit]

I'm not up-to-date on the lore, but another thought is that they use an uplink or transference system. Look at "Let it Die", the bodies are outfitted with tech to be piloted, or at least remote-controlled.

[eternal talon]

Hm?

No, Legion or RISE isn't Warframe. Legion is normal people having their memory wiped continuously and having chips implanted into their heads that tell them what to do.

RISE is mostly the same except its grown from human 'seeds' rather than using pre-existing convicts.

Though be aware what you see in game with the units is not RISE. That is the Warden's doing with the leftover scraps from said program.

As far as we are aware there would be nobody around TO pilot them were it the case. Aside from Schaeffer and Henrikkson, us KSOs are the only people alive down in Garganta.

And the surface really is not in the state to be meddling with Garganta.

[keen mantle]

Yea… the surface got fucked to death (virus/parasite world destruction)

[eternal talon]

yes.

[coarse canyon]

Sooo. I know the Nam-V got out

Any evidence that the parasite escaped?

[eternal talon]

none.

as far as we know it didn't.

[drowsy adder]

how many alpha camps are there ?

[lofty warren]

Alpha camps?

[carmine tendon]

i think im pretty sure there is no such thing as alpha camps

[lofty warren]

What are alpha camps?

[harsh saffron]

Pretty sure they mean the named places we visit after teleporting so "Alpha Three" in R6Dx for example.

[harsh saffron]

And if thats the case I think there are 4 named camps:
Alpha 1 in R6D1,
Alpha 2 in R6B1/R7E1
Alpha 3 in R6BX/R6DX
Alpha 6 in R7C2
unless I'm forgetting one.

[drowsy adder]

Thanks

[sonic citrus]

I guess Alpha 3 also appears in R6BX?

[harsh saffron]

oh yeah true

[solemn kraken]

Alpha 2 is also in R7E1

[harsh saffron]

Indeed 👍

[carmine tendon]

oh, you mean the Alpha Desert.

i, honestly dont know how to spell it.

[eternal talon]

it doesnt have an official name

we just call it destination

since thats the name of the rundown it came in

[burnt wren]

I call it planetside

It sounds cool

[solemn kraken]

Was kinda a buggy game tho

[burnt wren]

Never played it.

Looks like less intense tribes ascend

RIP king

VGS

[real pewter]

you want a bug free game?

play R6 extraction

[solemn kraken]

bruh

I played it and Burned the hard disk it was on after 30 min of play

[burnt wren]

Lul

[final sentinel]

I thought Alpha 3 was the R6C1 tp location, and Alpha 4 was the Bx one

I could be wrong

[harsh saffron]

Just checked because I honestly wasn't sure: Bx is Alpha 3 and and C1 has the 2 unnamed sections and then the Kraken preview in Alpha 1

[final sentinel]

hmmm ok

i swore the R7B3 section was named as well as the R6C1 one, ig i forgor

[harsh saffron]

Not relatable at all, I always remember everything

[real pewter]

it is a bug free game

[lofty warren]

Bug free?

Unrelated related

But can insects spread nam?

[eternal talon]

We don't know.

But the answer is most likely probably

[lilac island]

Just tell me one thing...ARE THEY ALIENS???

[eternal talon]

Are who aliens

[lilac island]

The Sleepers. I know they used to be human. But is the mutation a result of an alien pathogen/parasite?

[eternal talon]

Uh... I highly recommend you read the "for dummies" document in the pins of this channel.

It should cover just about everything

[lofty warren]

But still.. can bugs spread NAM?

Or the parasite?

[eternal talon]

We do not know.

[lofty warren]

Sorry Frostty, didn’t see you answered already

[solemn kraken]

Can we add into the lore that scouts are ALL Italian. I think the spaghetti confirms this theory

[drifting island]

and there is enough for the whole extended family, def Italian

[ocean lake]

how incestuous is this scout family

[restive imp]

Yes

[onyx kelp]

I agree , he also gets mad when I touch his pasta without consent

[solemn kraken]

Well I mean consent is quite a prerequisite to touching

[onyx kelp]

But but but….. big LONG noodles man

They even fly

Gotta touch em

[solemn kraken]

sorry m8 not into that.

[onyx kelp]

You don’t like noodles ? So like no ramen

Damn missing out

[drifting island]

wow, hates italians and the japanese smh my head my head

[solemn kraken]

I'm pretty sure I've been more to italy than you 😏

[drifting island]

wait, you have been to more than one country??

[pearl trench]

Must not be American

[drifting island]

[solemn kraken]

If I give you my list you gon cry m8

[pearl trench]

Have you been to England

[drifting island]

nahh, i will only cry if you send me your USA states list and its longer than mine

it is

don't send it

[solemn kraken]

Does heathrow count? 😂😂

Did go to northern Ireland tho

[pearl trench]

No but if you had gone to England proper I was going to make a joke about you being the real loser here

Ireland is pog
Not as pog as Scotland but still cool

[solemn kraken]

Last summer was roadtrippin whole of ireland

[pearl trench]

Maybe one day when I'm done being poor

[solemn kraken]

tickets to Dublin are crazy cheap for us

average around 35 euro

return

[pearl trench]

Nothing is cheap in the states ;w;

[drifting island]

plus the dollar is up to a euro rn. and flight never cost less than 150 usually 400

[pearl trench]

I couldn't fly a state over for 35 euros

[drifting island]

i couldn't fly in state for 35 euros

[solemn kraken]

😅

well

I even found a flight to Montreal for 220 euro

[drifting island]

i will just save up and travel during the next economic crash

gotta get out of the country at least once before the climate, y'know

[solemn kraken]

It's not much: Arizona, nevada, California, New York

[drifting island]

BRUH, if it was longer than my state list idk what would have done, why do you tempt fate like this?

[solemn kraken]

One burger more or less....

[harsh saffron]

2 new logs on Santonian:
21B-789-RD4.LOG unlocks in 1 day and 16 hours
and 98G-SDC-2WH.LOG in 4 days and 2 hours

[pearl trench]

ayo?

[lofty warren]

Nice! So maybe R2 drops in about 4-5 days.

[drifting island]

nooo, not specifically

but hype train just started boarding, no schedule yet

[solemn kraken]

Preparing my when R3 comments for in a week then 👍😅

[stone vine]

i would say watchout for the 8th or 9th

they may not pull an anniversary stunt again

but they might assume we think they are and might just drop it the day before for shits and giggles

they usually drop on wed/thurs so im gonna say 8th

[severe prairie]

The mimic is what Schaeffer killed during R6DX?

is it a monster like the sleepers?

[eternal talon]

Yes.

[eternal talon]

No. Unit 22 (the mimic) was a repurposed neonate created by the WRDN.

Effectively, it is a super-grown genetically modified infant.

WRDN has been taking the remnants of Kovac's RISE project and has been using it to attempt to create soldiers that are immune/invisible to the sleepers. So far, it has proven to be a massive success.

[severe prairie]

but why is it called the mimic, it seems like in one of the audio logs it tries to talk with a scout

[eternal talon]

It had us create the first unit in r3 and in r7 we are making another.

[severe prairie]

huh.... I see wait so the warden is actually trying to stop humanity from going extinct?

[eternal talon]

That name stems from the community, not the game itself, to my knowledge

[severe prairie]

ah i see

[eternal talon]

Humanity basically already is doomed. A very significant portion of humanity has been wiped out and all civilization is lost.

[eternal talon]

Tries to talk to a scout, ehhh, id have to re-listen to the logs. But not surprising given the circumstances

[finite vine]

yea due to recent logs it seems like this is likely what the warden is trying to do

[eternal talon]

Units have the mental capacity of children. That has always been the downside with them as compared to legion

They grow really damn fast but mentally they are stunted.

[eternal talon]

We do not know this for certain. In any case, units are more effective than we are given their invisibility to the sleepers.

We cost precious ammo and don't always come back alive. Units do.

[severe prairie]

interesting...

[finite vine]

Oh so your saying that units are not human?

[severe prairie]

wait so in r7 we got unit 23

unit 22 is dead

[eternal talon]

They are human. At least mostly human.

[severe prairie]

im guessing the other 21 had died or failed?

[eternal talon]

We do not know what happened to the remaining 21 or even if they are still active.

[finite vine]

because the units being invisible or not, it still seems like the warden is trying to research NAM-V by searching for the genome database, most likely because he is trying to find a cure as per the recent logs

[eternal talon]

Using partially human, partially nam-v experimentation with subjects is obvious. I simply cannot say in good faith that it's to 'save the human race from extinction'

God knows what the wrdn even is or what it's motives are.

[finite vine]

yea but it seems like hes trying to find a cure for nam-v

[severe prairie]

well they have to be dead or else we will be obsolete no?

[eternal talon]

(Yes we know it is an AI but I mean moreso human or allen or whatever else)

[eternal talon]

We do have more numbers that the units. At most, 32,000.

So even being better and more effective than we are, we still have the numbers to basically be cannon fodder.

[severe prairie]

huhhhhh damnnn

[severe prairie]

but like isnt the success rate on average for each mission below 50%?

[eternal talon]

Technically yes, and far lower than that as a matter of fact in the dev statistics on Twitter, but simply throwing 400 KSOs at a problem will get it to go away, regardless of resistance.

We only go in as a 4 man team, but we are by far and away the outlier. Our squad is the best of the best.

[severe prairie]

h e h, my skills say different XD

but ty for the info!

[eternal talon]

Canonically we do every expedition first try PE.

[eternal talon]

True. Or at least a way to have selective immunity to it.

Though that's something even the allens couldn't manage, so it'd be one hell of a deus ex machina for the wrdn to be successful

[toxic flower]

what happened with maddox in r7a1
why did he attack schaeffer

[real pewter]

you need the fluid in collection case to stabilize people before pulling them out

schaeffer pull him out without it so his brain are literally melting

[toxic flower]

damn
it wasn't just a headache then 😭

[ocean lake]

me on a Friday night

[carmine tendon]

Atleast Schaeffer learn from his mistake.

[silver sandal]

So they are able to just walk through the complex without triggering any of the creatures?

[eternal talon]

It would seem so. The only thing that detected them was a scout, but the creatures the scout called couldnt find what triggered it.

[silver sandal]

interesting stuff

[eternal talon]

Yes, schaeffer talks in length about it in one of the audio logs. I do not remember however if he mentions the specific compound he needed from the hydrokenetic fluid collection case

I feel like he did or someone did someone in another log, but maybe I am misremembering

Also new logs should drop today, right? On the SMC website?

Ping me

[toxic flower]

how much do we know about schaeffer
i just heard he first appeared in rundown 4 but idk
also what is it schaeffer is trying to do

[eternal talon]

We know a bit. He had family issues and was a reluctant hire for SMC. He was hired as a pit boss to manage a staff of miners, he was one of the last survivors in garganta and followed the KSOs down to KDS Deep. He got himself locked in one of the storage hubs, and to avoid starvation he entered a hydrostasis unit.

As the shell of a man he is now, he is simply trying to break free and escape.

Take down the warden, and whatever else

He probably remembers very little if anything of his past life before the apocalypse

[toxic flower]

hm

what a fighter he is

[static shadow]

New log. Restoration completes in 3 days 3 hours

Another one in 16 hours

in which the corrupted text ends in "uwu"

[toxic flower]

FURRIES ARE CANON TO GTFO

[eternal talon]

Elaborate

[toxic flower]

__
__

[wild sequoia]

What is up with the corporations?

I know Santonian built the whole complex ||(idunno why though, mining operation maybe?)||

But Kovac and a couple of others, what's their deal

[eternal talon]

Dreyfus industries is a megacorporation that owns santonian and insight. Initially smc built the complex to mine the meteor, but after alien artifacts were found Dreyfus brought in insight to conduct research on them. Nyxos is a manufacturer and a supplier to Dreyfus. Kovac had dirt on SMC because they burned the bodies of hundreds of workers where garganta currently is. Kovac struck a deal with the ceo of Dreyfus to set up a secret base because they were under extreme international scrutiny after the total failure of the red alpha mission.

If you want more in depth information, I highly recommend reading the 'for dummies' doc in the pins of this channel for a full lore summary.

[wild sequoia]

<Nods in absolute "I get it now, yeah, I am no longer stupid>

[wild sequoia]

Aye

I think the WRDN isn't even human

He could be an AI?

[eternal talon]

It isn't. It is a decision intelligence. Much like the biocom network before it.

[eternal talon]

It is.

[wild sequoia]

biocom?

[eternal talon]

...

[wild sequoia]

Bear with me

[eternal talon]

Please just read the for dummies. I will answer any questions it does not.

[wild sequoia]

I'm stupid

Yeah

[eternal talon]

I have all day.

[eternal talon]

Please, take your time. I will always be here.

[wild sequoia]

Question about the whole hydrostasis thing

The mental effects of HS, how are they even subdued by this "fluid collection case" what does it even do to stop someone from... brain melting per se

[eternal talon]

We don't know the specifics.

And the mental effects arent.

Your memory is just gone gone.

[wild sequoia]

Ah

[eternal talon]

Hydrokenetic fluid just keeps your brain from collapsing

[wild sequoia]

Another question

Is there an answer as to why there is no cryostasis in GTFO?

[eternal talon]

The longer you stay in hydrostasis the more memory you lose, on average up to 2 years for full memory loss.

[eternal talon]

Same reason it doesn't exist irl. Physically impossible. Humans too big.

[wild sequoia]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

Works with microwaving hamsters and stuff

[wild sequoia]

It only worked on hamsters

[eternal talon]

But not people or other primates

We freeze too slow. Crystals form inside our blood and cause permanent damage

[wild sequoia]

Wait does Hydrostasis kinda... put you into a coma/anabiotic state?

Or is it a bit more complicated

[eternal talon]

It basically kills you but doesn't kill you and functions as an artificial womb type thing, keeping you barely 'alive' and repairing your vital systems.

It's very complicated and I'm still not 100% on it in terms of knowledge

[wild sequoia]

Ah

Anabiosis but with extra steps

I guess that's why "cardiac resuscitation" device is an objective in rundown 7

[eternal talon]

For the most part our objective in rundown 7 is simply to create unit 23.

It is unrelated to us as legion.

The units are/were a part of rise.

[wild sequoia]

About that...

We, prisoners

Are we sapient? Like is the interface something the WRDN sees/a technician would see or is it kinda

[eternal talon]

Reread this entire conversation from yesterday.

It explains the units.

[wild sequoia]

Mhm

[eternal talon]

As to us as legion, our mental capacity is limited

[wild sequoia]

True https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761233352111816704.png?quality=lossless&size=48

[eternal talon]

During EF01, Bishop acts almost robotic.

Except during gameplay he seems almost as normal as you or i.

[wild sequoia]

Yeh

[eternal talon]

We don't know if this is up to how the wrdn/biocom differ in how they command the ksos, or what

But we have as much free will as the system lets us.

[wild sequoia]

So basically

We can be human but not too human

Just for efficiency sake

[eternal talon]

We cannot disobey orders from biocom.

[wild sequoia]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

Period.

[wild sequoia]

You have no choice really

[eternal talon]

If the wrdn wants us to think more independently and that that might make us more effective, that is on it to decide.

[wild sequoia]

You either do or don't ||and die||

[eternal talon]

But at the end of the day we are still drones.

[eternal talon]

There is no don't. You physically cannot

Your brain would refuse to even consider not doing so.

It's so far off the table that it isn't even worth discussing

[wild sequoia]

I meant, that if you become sleeper chow, yeah

You can't really do much as a torso

[eternal talon]

If the wrdn told you to sit in a corner to be eaten alive you would happily do so.

[wild sequoia]

Damn, I would certainly do that

[eternal talon]

Maybe not happily,

But you WOULD do so.

[wild sequoia]

"SIR YES SIR, OORAH"

[eternal talon]

As is shown with henrikkson in r7c1, he just simply does. He doesn't know or understand why he does things, but he does.

It's programmed into him

Literally, with his neural implant

[wild sequoia]

Same with us lol

[eternal talon]

We would certainly have far more freedom than most if not all KSOs under the WRDN's command.

We are the best of the best it has. We do every level first try PE

[wild sequoia]

So we're the aces canonically

[eternal talon]

We do not fail.

No *player deaths are Canon.

[wild sequoia]

Uhhh

Starting screen question

"Suggested action: Retire"

[eternal talon]

And yet we keep working. Partially because of the extremely limited supply of KSOs that the WRDN cannot gain any more of, and partially because WE DO NOT FAIL.

We are 4 doom guys in a single squad.

Ripping and tearing through rundowns with 0 difficulty

[wild sequoia]

And warden kinda likes to give us partial munitions to ration supplies im guessing

[wild sequoia]

but in gameplay we constantly die and try again

Heh

[eternal talon]

We are always supplied with the same number of munitions each expedition, likely because of the weight capacity of the freight lift we enter the levels in.

In r7c3, it likely expected us to get ammo from the level's armory and felt we didn't need to bring any

[wild sequoia]

Yeah

Logical

[wild sequoia]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

Trying to conserve ammunition that it cannot replace at this point in the game

[wild sequoia]

Yeah

We're scavenging what we can

Off-topic but i really like how the hit markers were designed

[eternal talon]

They are sometimes unreliable. When not host especially, you basically never get the 'kill' hitmarkers.

[wild sequoia]

Really the whole "industrial" aesthetic is great

Like it's utilitarian, but not overly so

[eternal talon]

Garganta is an iridium mine turned alien research lab.

[wild sequoia]

Yeah

[austere depot]

Been looking into the Red Alpha mission and reading logs. Is it explicitly stated that the astronauts killed one another?

According to the article exposing the long term memory loss caused by the HSU's (that put KOVAC in a bind), the crew woke up, turned life-support off and turned off lights and coms. The ship went dark and veered off course.

I may have missed something.

I have a tin-foil take on it.
Suppose it is all according to KOVACS plan. The workings of the HSU's in the missions article are described as a 'closely guarded secret'. If they utilized the psycho-indoctrination method along with the induced memory loss, the crew could have literally have been programmed to set the mission off course.

[eternal talon]

it is not explicitly stated. Whatever the crew said or did remains a mystery to anyone outside of the ESA and will likely remain that way for the foreseeable future. / First the ship drifted from its programmed orbit, something that could only happen if the navigation system failed, or by human intervention. Next, the communication relays stopped sending telemetry to Kourou, again either by catastrophic failure, or someone pulled the plug. At 11:57 UTC, the primary propulsion engines were ignited, and the ship started it's final, fatal journey. There, the knowledge of anyone outside of the ESA ends. / It is at best assumed that they did go insane and kill one another because that is the same thing that maddox does when awoken incorrectly. Given this is the first time Hydrostasis is tested in-mission, it is likely that this was the case for the astronauts, as nobody would be there to administer the required solution to prevent this.

[eternal talon]

i'm not sure if that would be the case. as a result of the failure of the red alpha mission, Kovac was under international scrutiny and pressure for many years after the incident. It is because of this eye in the sky watching them that they decided that they wanted to use Garganta as a hub for their experiments and their operations, as it would be far away from those watching the company.

if it was their plan, it would surely be short-sighted at best.

[lost hinge]

In one sentence what is this game's lore?

[eternal talon]

try 6 paragraphs. in the pins of this channel. "GTFO-LORE-FOR-DUMMIES"

in a single sentence... " Ancient aliens fuck up and earth pays the price because greedy corporations want more money "

[lost hinge]

thanks!😜

[toxic flower]

waiting for this to happen irl

[severe prairie]

hey um a very random question. The description for Rundown 6 C3's objective says that prisoners will act as a decoy for an undisclosed parallel objective, did we ever figure out what that objective was?

[eternal talon]

No.

Undisclosed objective is Undisclosed.

[severe prairie]

;-;

[white moth]

did we ever find out what the alien audio log is?

[austere depot]

I attempted to screen it for hidden messages using waveform and spectrogram.
I could not find anything, but I have little experience in the field.

[harsh saffron]

@eternal talon

Ngl thats a lot of info in one log

[eternal talon]

Not on my pc so I can't read it. Will check in a bit. Ty.

[eternal talon]

confirms the blasts were high energy focused QGP streams, at a temperature that was only thought to have occurred during the Big Bang.
interesting, though we already knew the blast was from allen device in the inner.

the streams appear to have been deliberately targeted at areas where security operatives were engaged with the creatures during the attack.
even more interesting. it would appear the allen weapon was trying to destroy the infected so they couldn't get out? (though as the log states, by that point they had already overrun most of the facility)

Unfortunately, one of the streams did hit the helipad outside hangar 3, which is where Mr Clinton was believed to be. His death would have been instantaneous.
So he wasn't murdered.

The results suggest this was a weapon.
we already knew this.

1) Who or what fired the streams?
the allens after hammerstein fucked around with sonic frequencies and triggered some kind of security system.

2) We have created quark-gluon plasma in hadron colliders, but nothing even close to this power or temperature, so how were the QGP streams formed? Is there a machine or artifact we have yet to find?
Allen ""magic"", and most likely.

3) This level of exotic matter control is beyond our understanding of the physical laws of the universe, so how was the intensity of the sub-atomic streams controlled?
point to previous statement.

4) Was the purpose of the streams to kill us, or the creatures? It worked in our favor to control the onslaught, but we lost hundreds of people in the blasts (though some may have been lost or taken by the creatures).
Honestly the allens probably couldn't care less about humanity, if any of them are still alive out there on other worlds.

5) If the purpose of the blasts were to kill the creatures, why? Does something else see them as a threat?
BRUH. it's not like their entire civilization turned to dust or anything

---

In total new information:

Clinton wasn't murdered.

[eternal talon]

@shut mountain Would you kindly please replace the 📌 of the previous "FOR DUMMIES" document with this one? This file has been UPDATED with information relating to RISE and the most recent log regarding the detonation.
- A reminder to those reading this document to get familiar with the lore, this file is too large to click expand, as such you must either download it, or click "View Whole File"

[shut mountain]

here u go

[eternal talon]

also, i'm no scientist or anything, wouldn't temperatures hotter than the fucking BIG BANG have more serious concequences than just some molten rock and steel?

even if the areas it effected were controlled, which is seems like they were, the radial heat would be extreme and would blind everything for miles.

do we have any experts in here that could give some input?

[sudden crest]

Man, am I glad I don’t live in that world.

[eternal talon]

all of human civilization has been gone for a long time.

[sudden crest]

What year does the game take place?

[eternal talon]

we dont know exactly, but sometime around 2063

give the for dummies doc a read. it is the broadest lore summary available

[sudden crest]

I did, and the prediction being human extinction about 2059.

A very interesting read.

[eternal talon]

ah, fuck. i did forget to update that.

the correction should be:

Given a State of Truth log, all of humanity on the surface is calculated to be dead by the year 2059. ->
Given a State of Truth log, almost all of humanity on the surface is calculated to be dead by the year 2059.

ehh, i'll fix it when the next log comes out in a couple days. I'll make a note.

ty for the reminder

[wild sequoia]

Actually yeah same question

[austere depot]

We do indeed need a physicist for this. It could be, at the same time, that we are picturing it wrong.
So far, we may have pictured large scale lasers digging the maw-like holes in the complex.
A launched particle giving of heat at those levels, it may have all happened faster than anyone would have been able to recognize.
The complex is intact one moment. There are massive blast-holes in it in the next.
That said, I am not a physicist, but I can imagine its impact would be tied to the scale of the launched projectiles / beams, velocity and temperature.
The scale: Smaller than an atom. Velocity? Possibly faster than the speed of light. Temperature. Like you said, near big bang temperatures.
Complete and swift extermination of anything in its path. The length of each beam could be adjusted and calculated to the longevity of each particle.

[austere depot]

Judging by its observable effect on metal and rock and the descriptions we have been granted so far, it could be presumed that it would superheat anything in its path. That may include the surrounding air it passes through. There however, I cannot answer. I do not really have practice with the formulae and the maths. Metal, rock, air - all different atomic structures. Physicists, where are you?

[celest pagoda]

Just read the log, my best guess is that the blast was some kind of containment failsafe set up by the creators of the artifacts.

Given what it tells us, which goddamn, thats alot

[eternal talon]

i wouldn't really say it is a lot more than what we already knew.

we knew SMC didn't cause it, and it sure as hell wasn't natural

[harsh saffron]

Idk, learning that there is a super weapon that can possibly target sleepers everywhere in the Complex might be relevant to the story moving forward.

[white moth]

I did aswell but I also have zero experience

[austere depot]

What scares me, is the possibility that whoever built the complex-tearing machine, was scared of the infection.

[austere depot]

Ah, nice! I had a second idea! Looking at the image that would be gibberish to me, I began thinking that it could be something that could have been screened as through a radio-telescope. Did some research on that. While interesting, that is yet another field of expertise in which I am lacking. 😅
Conclusion however: I do not believe that is viable. It requires a layering of the same radio-signal from multiple angles, a delay to synchronize it and a lot.. I mean a LOT of computation to factor out distortions 🤣

[white moth]

;-;

[eternal talon]

bruh. they all are fucking dead. of course they were scared of it

look what it did to destination

[eternal talon]

i thought we got it down to what looked like a picture of a city, or pipes, or something

[austere depot]

If nothing new, we learned details.
The beams show signs of intelligent targeting (according to the source). If so, then they were not fired at random. At the very least, that signifies calculation.

[eternal talon]

true.

previously it was assumed to either be an
a: weapon
b: engine

we now know it is solidly in the weapon category.

though i wonder why they'd arm the escape craft with such a weapon, and yet a: the virus and the parasite managed to get onboard before they left destination
and b: why they didnt attempt to use it before the ship crashed into earth

additionally, we still dont know why the ship was powering up for days before hammerstein set the weapon off.

[austere depot]

I will add it to my tin-foil to put the force behind it as a potential Warden.
The warden shows an incredible interest in RISE. I would say it is near obsessed with RISE.
If an agent of the unknown party. If they fled the infection, the Data from RISE might be everything they would be looking for.
That, and power.

Clinton might also have had a backdoor to Biocom in case of a takeover. His death might not have been so accidental in the chaos.

[eternal talon]

even if the WRDN finds a 'cure' for it in humans, there is zero certainty it would work for the allens. they aren't the same species as us and god knows how different physiologically they are from us.

[eternal talon]

one of the streams did hit the helipad outside hangar 3, which is where Mr Clinton was believed to be. His death would have been instantaneous. if he died where the report says he did, then there is no chance it was a backdoor scheme. unless he's plotting with a long dead species.

the allens wouldn't care about humanity. they chose to go to earth afterall, and even when they landed there solidly was life on earth. the dinosaurs.

[eternal talon]

this also requires the assumption that WRDN is allen in origin. which we do not know for certain, however likely.

[austere depot]

I mean, if he had a backdoor, as a security failsafe (like it was suggested to make him more agreeable), then he would have had a key to stop an eventual takeover. In that case, eliminating Clinton would be to its benefit.

[eternal talon]

to the allens benefit? maybe, but that requires a whole lot of other things. it'd require WRDN to have access to the systems of the meteor, which are still all mining tunnels between garganta and it. IF WRDN was allen, it would have had to have been added remotely during the data burst, thus it wouldn't have a physical connection. Second of all, Clinton has a backdoor to biocom, which if you compare it to how schaeffer also has a backdoor in one of the core server rooms (r7d2), it doesn't remove the wrdn. they just can't delete eachother. at most it'd be fighting for control with clinton for the biocom system. which while bad, isn't as bad as termination.

it would also require the wrdn to be sentient, and able to either command itself for the benefit of the allens, or to have remote contact to the allens somewhere, and we know all those that were in the meteor are long dead.

sum: it is risky.

all of the other beams stopped before the surface/the ocean floor.

[austere depot]

Which we do not know yet. What we need, is more data.. but I can speculate! (I like to speculate)
First, a thing we do know. The WRDN set itself up to inherit BIOCOM, meaning it can direct everything within the facility and KSO's.
We also know we install a virus into the data mainframe at R7D2.
We do assume we are installing a trojan into the WRDN. What if we have that part wrong? If the WRDN operates BIOCOM (Mainframe) by proxy by issuing orders to it and through it to us, then it might be able to avoid infection by the trojan.

[eternal talon]

speculation is fun. so long as it can be backed with research or data. It's no fun if it can be easily disproved. (not saying your stuff is wrong)

[eternal talon]

the issue relating to r7d2 isn't really an issue. it is literally a puppet with two puppeteers. BIOCOM has been trying to delete WRDN for years, but WRDN keeps resetting the program. Biocom is the wrdn's hostage. What schaeffer has us do in c3 and d2 is essentially the same thing the warden is doing. he is tapping into biocom to issue it commands. schaeffer wants to fight the warden, and he is attempting to do it through biocom

if wrdn moves biocom's strings to have us go do one thing, schaeffer can just move biocom back the other way. it's a game of tug of war with the mangled corpse of the security network AI.

i assume in r8 we will see how this will play out.

[cunning light]

On a side note, the "Incident" occurred on the 11th of October in the original timeline, did it not ?

This latest log might suffer the same "alternate date" as a couple we saw in ALT://R1

[eternal talon]

the detonation happened on October 11th.

temperatures began to rise on October 8th

[last quarry]

Real quick, has anyone looked at the "preview" picture they have for R8? it looks like morse

[pearl trench]

what if it's midi 🤔

[last quarry]

just havent seen anyone mention it before

[coarse canyon]

Seismograph?

[severe prairie]

What was the cause of the 9.8 earthquake near Yucatan?

[severe prairie]

its kinda sad everyone is dead outside, but we know that our four prisoners are infected too right?

[real pewter]

we and the KSO is technically still a live

and ye, we are all infected

[finite vine]

Quark gluon plasma is actually a state of matter. Its not like a singular type of particle or projectile, instead, quark gluon matter is only "made up" of the elementary particles that create our subatomic particles (subatomic particles include protons or neutrons, for example).
Elementary particles are the most basic particles, known to not be made up of any smaller particles. So quark gluon plasma is made up of melted nuclei from atoms.

Quark gluon plasma is created by superheating any form of matter. So, if quark gluon plasma was detected on the rims of the tunnels, then either

1), The "weapon" somehow created so much heat in a contained stream and melted all of the matter down to its elementary particles, leaving QGP. One thing though, the sides of the shafts created actually have melted metal, so this suggests that some heat did actually radiate through. To this speculation, I would say that the "weapon" probably only shot this stream for an instant of a second, and that is not nearly enough time for all of the generated heat to radiate and melt everything outside of its path.

If the math I calculated is correct, for a 1 gram one dimensional strip of steel that is located 1 cm away from the QGP stream, it would take 0.000000000000001074 seconds for it to melt. This is assuming a temperature difference of 1000 Trillion degrees (temps during the big bang). So the energy burst probably happened really really really fast. I used Fourier's Law to calculate the rate of heat transfer via conduction (using conduction is incorrect because the state of matter literally changes to quark-gluon plasma instantly, but its close enough) and then integrated it over time to find the energy transferred. So essentially the energy transferred over 0.000000000000001074 seconds is equal to the amount of energy required to melt a one dimensional 1 g strip of steel, (537 Joules).
Some of this is probably not 100% correct, but the answer seems to make relative sense to me.

2. Or, Instead of creating QGP by superheating the matter in the firing stream, the "weapon" could have literally dismantled all of the matter to its most basic components (elementary particles) and thus, the only form of matter left was QGP. This method would require no heat, as its creating QGP by dismantling normal matter into QGP. I would however say that this 99% did not happen because the auto_gen log states that the servers reached very hot temps, and a few days before October 12 the temps lower in the complex were actually heating up.

[austere depot]

Hot damn! 👀 And it would turn the air on its path to a plasma, right?

[finite vine]

Yea, If the air was contained in the stream, then it would be turned into quark-gluon plasma.

[austere depot]

How would the adjacent air react? 👀 Expansion?

[finite vine]

Well if the energy stream just kept firing constantly, for multiple seconds, then the surrounding matter would eventually heat up and turn into quark-gluon plasma itself. it would be very bad for all of earth if the energy stream was sustained for any significant amount of time lol.

but because the energy stream only occurred for a fraction of a second, then the surrounding air would just heat up.

[toxic flower]

i know nothing about gtfo lore so this is what im getting from this channel
basically aliens fucked earth and now we're dealing with their mess?

[finite vine]

and i’m pretty sure the reason all of that instant temperature doesn’t just destroy everything when it dissipates, is because it instantly radiates into gamma rays once the energy is not sustained to keep the particles at that temperature.

i don’t have much knowledge on that subject though. but if gamma rays are emitted, then that would actually be very bad for everyone around.

[coarse canyon]

Scroll up a little bit and there is a lore for dummies document.

It's more like interdimensional aliens called Allens we're trying to escape a virus-parasite combo and managed to warp/spacetime jump and crash land into Earth because the virus parasite combo made it onto the ship.

And as demonstrated by multiple events in history, the best containment protocols don't matter as much as compliance of said containment protocols.

[honest sky]

Yo where that new Log at?

[honest sky]

That's surprising, i just presumed the blast to have been caused by manmade reactors or something of the sort.
Still more questions than answers though.

[eternal talon]

No manmade thing in the past, present, or future for hundreds of years will likely ever even come close to that raw amount of power. We are talking literally over a thousand meters of rock, that are already under immense pressure given their depth.

Even nukes detonated underground can't do that.

(Fun fact about nukes being detonated underground: it was actually considered for a time as a source of nuclear power)

[eternal talon]

A million cancers

[eternal talon]

You mean the 11th?

[topaz hollow]

What are the interrupted communications supposed to be

Like, radio transmissions from a previous failed prisoner team

[silver sandal]

I thought each Rundown was supposed to be us going down into a different hole?

Also wouldn't the weapon making holes end up spreading the virus/parasite?

It's weird that it's a weapon because it seemed to do far more harm to us than against the parasite/virus

[eternal talon]

Garganta is huge. It is on the coast as well. Don't worry. There are plenty of holes to go around.

Unlikely, unless somehow they manage to infect the best mountain goats the world has ever seen Skyrim horses. These tunnels are purely vertical. Ain't no way something is crawling up them.

Again, it probably don't care about us anyway. The virus is a million times bigger of a threat to earth than we are. It can make the planet uninhabitable forever.

The lives of humans that wouldn't live past 100 anyway are worth less to it than the importance of destroying the virus and the parasite.

We program robots and AIs to do humans no harm, but we don't tell them not to harm ants.

We are the ants in this scenario

[eternal talon]

Also in the case of the tunnels, those are the ones that WERE under the water. It doesn't mention every last tunnel. The chances we would use the same tunnel every expedition is basically zero.

[silver sandal]

isnt that how the virus originally traveled to the surface of the Earth? through one of the holes and into the water? or am i missing something there?

[eternal talon]

No.. it was on board the Allen's ship. Same with the parasite, it crashed into the Yucatan and wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.. have you read the 'for dummies' doc?

The explosion happened like 5-10 years ago

Millions of years after their ship crashed

[silver sandal]

thats not what im talking about

The virus didnt make it to the surface of the planet until after the explosion correct?

it was contained underground where the alien ship rests

or at least contained to the complex

or was it the original digging into the crater in the first place that released the virus into the water

I can read from the doc it was a couple years before the blast, so i guess humanity was screwed regardless as soon as the companies started digging

[eternal talon]

It did. Many times before in fact.

Firstly with the Mayans, and again with SMC's relaxation camps after they had the containment breach in garganta.

Though with the mayans, it killed them all then died off

When SMC let it out, it got into the Atlantic and went global

That is what fucked earth

[silver sandal]

So were the Mayans messing around with the crater somehow or just unlucky?

[eternal talon]

Unlucky. Earthquakes.

Village of Ixil is directly ontop the meteor

[silver sandal]

interesting. So basically barring another sizable earthquake humanity likely would have been fine without SMC digging into the crater

[eternal talon]

It's also how SMC found the meteor. The meridan sinkhole

[eternal talon]

Yes

But trillions of dollars of iridium was too much to pass by for SMC

[silver sandal]

classic sci fi trope of humanity being doomed out of greed/science

[eternal talon]

They covered up the deaths of citizens and the red cross from the Merida earthquake, and started digging

That's also how KOVAC got involved. They heard out about the coverup because SMC had weak security.

[silver sandal]

any current theories on what we are doing if the alt rundowns are indeed another "dimension?"

[eternal talon]

#gtfo-lore message

[silver sandal]

also this may be coincidence, but the way the Allen weapon exploded outwards in a straight line reminds me of the explosive and cfoam tripmines we use down in the complex

[eternal talon]

Given the new log we just got, it doesn't seem to be a simple explosive. It only targeted areas of sleeper activity... and Andrew's helli

It's got some kind of advanced targeting system

[silver sandal]

So was there just too much sleeper activity for it to hit all of them?

[eternal talon]

no.

you see, the sleepers have made the inner their nest.

if the weapon could cleans the inner, the allens themselves would have done so

so the sleepers have made their hive in the 'safe zone'

[silver sandal]

how smart of them

[eternal talon]

not really smart, thats where the allens were. they sat in the inner for 65 million years after killing the crew

there would be nowhere else to nest

[silver sandal]

so moreso a limitation of the weapon then

[eternal talon]

yeah

like an artillery cannon, cannot fire where it is standing. its got a minimum range

[silver sandal]

I wonder if overloading the nuclear reactors within the complex could affect the inner

[eternal talon]

else it'd be a plothole for the allens to not just huddle in a corner and use it on their own ship

[eternal talon]

certainly not. nukes underground aren't that destructive.

as a matter of fact, it was theorized to be used as a source of nuclear power

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_nuclear_weapons_testing

that, and the materials the inner is made of (cretasium-77a) is stronger than anything ever synthesized by humans

so it may just resist it even if one of the reactors was close enough

[silver sandal]

So is it speculated that the Allens intentionally chose that crash spot to effectively bury the ship down there?

[eternal talon]

we dont know. we dont know if even they were all killed before, or after the crash.

[silver sandal]

Any theories on the material of the inner?

[eternal talon]

cretasium-77a? i'm pretty sure we know just about everything it is made of

except for one 'unknown' thing.

its a metal alloy

[silver sandal]

aka not of planet Earth? or only found deep within planet Earth?

[eternal talon]

the inner is composed of:

Core composition analysis follows:

cretasium 77a: 38.60%
oxygen: 27.34%
silicon: 12.12%
aluminum: 5.13%
iridium: 3.32%
sodium: 3.26%
calcium: 2.57%
potassium: 2.10%
magnesium: 2.03%
titanium: 1.14%
hydrogen: 0.93%
phosphorous: 0.77%
carbon: 0.54%

+trace strontium, barium, manganese, fluorine, sulfur, zirconium, tungsten,
chlorine, copper, nickel, nitrogen, zinc.

[eternal talon]

not of earth to my knowledge.

[silver sandal]

hmmm. Maybe it was another defense measure of the Allens (like the weapon) to pretect wherever the meteor landed

[severe prairie]

AHHAHAh the fact that it targeted his heli is hilarious

[eternal talon]

ah, mb. not cretasium, one of the artifacts.

**As far as we can tell, this is an entirely new material. I recommend we double team this one. I would like our lab to try and replicate compositing the alloy (we think that’s what it is) from the materials we have managed to recognize so far, while you start searching for the materials listed as “UNKNOWN” in the attached report.

We are assuming those materials are local to the Garganta operation, probably of extra-terrestrial origin dispersed during the Chicxulub impact event. Meteorite samples recovered from nearby sites do indicate traces of similar unknown materials, but we assumed they were nominal errors due to the fractional percentage of the composition. Now that we have a sample that is comprised of almost 24% unknown material, I’m not so sure. We have a mystery on our hands.**

[severe prairie]

So the 9.8 earthquake has the same origin as the explosion?

they both were caused by the same unknown reason

[eternal talon]

we dont know but it is many years apart. the 9.8 earthquake that exposed the surface levels has happened before, this time it was in Marth 15th, 2049.
the detonation in the inner was October 11th, 2053.

[eternal talon]

maybe but we dont have enough information on the topic to speculate with any degree of accuracy

[severe prairie]

ye, but accoridng to the translated mayan scriptures, there has been multiple explosions right?

or 'earthquakes'

and the NAM-V being recorded multiple times in history

imma guess the Mayans got wiped in this universe cause of NAM-V

[silver sandal]

The mayans kinda show that if humanity holds out long enough the virus on the surface should die off

but i guess that depends on the species that are alive and still infected with the virus on the surface

[severe prairie]

but this was before the virus made a symbiotic relationship with the parasite no?

[silver sandal]

assuming that none of the parasites have made it to the surface, which hasnt been reported yet unless im mistaken

[severe prairie]

ah right, the parasite is what causes the transformation to sleepers right?

[eternal talon]

yes.

[silver sandal]

correct. from what i hear there are no actual sleepers been reported on the surface yet. just dead humans from the virus

[eternal talon]

this village and those surrounding it, yes.

[eternal talon]

without the parasite, yes.

[severe prairie]

but either way humanity is all dead outside, so Im guessing gtfo won't have a happy ending XD

[silver sandal]

not all dead. just mostly

[eternal talon]

nooooo the virus and the parasite have been around together since even back on destination. perhaps hundreds of millions of years.

[silver sandal]

who knows how long it will take for all the virus to die off on the surface. and i doubt the humans in hiding know the full extent of all the information either, so it doesnt look good

[severe prairie]

ahhhhh

[eternal talon]

correct.

[eternal talon]

correct.

[eternal talon]

certainly not.

[severe prairie]

I doubt the little amount of people left can restart civilization

human greed

[silver sandal]

they likely wont even know if/when the virus will die out if they can even survive that long somehow

[severe prairie]

is the end of the species XD

[severe prairie]

but then why are we here, ik the WRDN keeps us here but then does that mean that only the WRDN is the one controling prisoners? there is no need for BIOCOM to do it since it doesnt have orders

[silver sandal]

thats the central mystery i guess besides what happened to cause all of it (mostly explained now).

[eternal talon]

biocom has still to this day been trying to delete the wrdn and retake its systems.

[silver sandal]

we still dont know what the Warden wants or the full extent of the goals of our work/missions

[wild sequoia]

Probably saving the whole ass civilization from going extinct

[silver sandal]

WRDN and Schaeffer are the only entities we do work for so far in the game

and they seem opposed to one another

[severe prairie]

so the BIOCOM aint sending prisoners down

[eternal talon]

no.

[severe prairie]

and the warden is also an AI just like BIOCOM

[eternal talon]

biocom has been offline for a long time

[eternal talon]

WRDN took over the biocom network. they are both AIs.

[eternal talon]

read this

[severe prairie]

so... both of em are doing the same thing but with different ibjectives

[eternal talon]

both of who

there are three characters at play.

schaeffer and the wrdn are both controlling biocom.

[severe prairie]

Schaeffer and wrdn

[eternal talon]

yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_PACER

[eternal talon]

^ if you wanted to research more about detonating nuclear warheads underground for power. really cool stuff

[dull crest]

😬

[eternal talon]

what's this supposed to mean

[abstract skiff]

[dull crest]

I just thought it was funny how you described underground nuclear blasts as cool

And no, that is not related to the game

My comment…

[eternal talon]

It's science.

[past matrix]

I still believe that the Warden is trying to find a cure for nam-v

and that there's a human team working for it/its working for the team

[severe prairie]

but its sad that its gonna be useless

aren't most of the population dead

[severe prairie]

the team is still alive??

[eternal talon]

1. what team?
2. we have zero evidence anybody other than us and schaeffer/henrikkson are alive down here.

[eternal talon]

wdym the team?

[severe prairie]

thats what I was wondering

[finite vine]

same, I've been thinking that since like r2 honestly.

just something about the entire situation it seems that there is definitely some human influence.

[finite vine]

he probably meant a team of scientists/ group of people trying to find a cure for NAM-V

[past matrix]

i meant a team, whoops

for some reason ive been having moments where i think "ok i'll type this" but then my fingers end up typing a completely different word

[finite vine]

really the only main evidence against the possibility of a team of humans using WRDN to access the complex is the fact that the only way to survive NAM-V is by hydrostasis. and hydrostasis erases memory, so how is a human team supposed to make any progress if they cant remember anything they accomplish?

[past matrix]

i think that a strong indicator of it is that we know for a fact that they planned for the warden to be a team of people

and they had planned this for like years

[finite vine]

true

[past matrix]

but apart from that, it makes the warden's intentions clearer and also accounts for a few other things:
a. r2c2
b. reactor shutdowns
c. r7c1

[finite vine]

we also having an text log stating that the World health organization sent a team to garganta to try to find the origin of the virus.

also someone had to inject the WRDN program into BIOCOM

also I wonder if R8 is gonna be the last rundown

[vivid grotto]

so what is the endgoal of BIOCOM what was it meant to do

[finite vine]

BIOCOM was just used by Kovac to make it easier for them to give mass amounts of orders to their KSO operatives. BIOCOM is a decision intelligence which is an AI that is designed to make strategic critical decisions based on parameters and intel provided by Kovac employees. These directions are called objective stacks, and BIOCOM basically used the overall objective stack set by Kovac to make decisions and give directions to the KSO operatives so the objective stack would be achieved in the best way possible.

now, BIOCOM basically controlled most of the facility in garganta

and a program called the WRDN was uploaded to the BIOCOM system at some point by someone or something. The WRDN basically takes control over BIOCOM and makes BICOM do what it wants. So obviously someone wanted control over the facility and BIOCOM, so they uploaded a virus/ driver program called WRDN so they could take control of BIOCOM and use its resources.

currently it seems, the objective of the WRDN, which is also the objective of whatever or whoever uploaded it to the BIOCOM mainframe, is to find a cure for NAM-V. Or at least, retrieve the genetic data/ research that was collected on NAM-V by scientists in Gargantua before it became overrun by sleepers.

[lofty warren]

Do we know what caused the hundreds of deaths at the crater which cause Santonian to start investigating in the first place?

[solar nova]

The Merida earthquake?

[eternal talon]

It will be.

[eternal talon]

The WHO team came long after WRDN went online.

[silver sandal]

is this actually confirmed by 10C?

[sudden crest]

I don’t think so.

[pearl trench]

To my knowledge there's no confirmation from 10C, we just know the main story is approaching its conclusion, and they made a graphic that only has 1 completely unreleased rundown on it

Which is of course bulletproof evidence

There's no way they'd either write more plot or release rundowns without big plot, and of course they would've just jammed every planned rundown on the Alt Rundowns graphic, bloating it severely so that no one would make this incredibly obvious assumption :^)

(don't get me wrong it could totally be the last one, but confidently asserting it is is a bit silly)

[silver sandal]

agreed.

[eternal talon]

As far as I am aware, they only plan to do the re-releases of the old rundowns and r8, then GTFO will cease development

I don't think it's explicitly confirmed but their roadmap for the future doesn't go past r8.

[pearl trench]

And 10c being 10c they have not clarified anything

[sudden crest]

That’s what they want you to think.

[silver sandal]

to play devils advocate, their previous roadmaps didnt include the Alt's either

[lament temple]

they also said they wouldnt keep old rundowns

[eternal talon]

Alts didn't exist back then, the concept was completely invalid

[lament temple]

and well here we are ._.

[silver sandal]

and? The point is roadmaps, and plans in general can and do change

[pearl trench]

The roadmap still doesn't. It also doesn't include r8

No roadmap update since June lol

[eternal talon]

Given they are working on a new game now, it is probably best to assume that after r8 gtfo will be done. Best not get your hopes up for something that may not happen.

[pearl trench]

Well they explicitly stated they'd be working on both

[silver sandal]

I don't think we're getting our hopes up tho. Just waiting for concrete information.