gtfo-lore

[molten tundra]

Like, what "life" has the chemical preserved when the head is gone and there's little to no musculature or connective tissue going to limbs that still move

[eternal talon]

them being able to come at you while having nothing but bone left of their legs is i think a bit of artistic license

clearly no way in hell

[molten tundra]

Well

Well.......

[eternal talon]

bone by itself cant move

it needs muscles and tendons

[molten tundra]

Human bones cant

[eternal talon]

which human sleepers would have

[molten tundra]

They'd be altered by the parasite and the virus

[eternal talon]

the snatcher is eerily human.

[molten tundra]

I've sort of been under the assumption these things are a bit like necromorphs

[molten tundra]

It is, but almost anomalously so

[eternal talon]

not really. they dont die. Necromorphs work by reanimation

[molten tundra]

Necromorphs work by the infected flesh moving on its own

Death is a medical term

[eternal talon]

look at the divider for example

[molten tundra]

If sleepers can lie dormant for billions of years without deteriorating and fully function when reduced to bone and scrap

[eternal talon]

that could not keep itself alive in any way

[molten tundra]

"Alive" for necromorphs is

The infection iirc is on the cellular level

They stop moving when they're nolonger able to hurt you

"Killing" them requires destroying all the cells

...or maybe not. It's been a bit tbh

Im a bit fuzzy on deadspace necromorph mechanics

Like how are we defining life here

[eternal talon]

it isn't total cell death. the cells are just under new command and are mutated like a cancer

[molten tundra]

It's important to remember that in dead space, the markers used perpetual energy as a lure as part of a reproductive cycle. When you break the fundamental assumptions of physics just to bait someone into interacting with you, assumptions about things like "that clearly couldn't move on its own or sustain itself" fall apart

Like, if the marker can produce infinite energy, who's to say flesh that it puppets can't sustain itself?

It's so far beyond us it may as well be magic.

[eternal talon]

its funny they are both in the same crater.

[molten tundra]

Right?

Dinosaur crater gets used a lot for this stuff tho

Honestly the biggest thing that confuses me about this is like

Not only "why does a parasite need a living host"

But "what actually KILLS a sleeper?"

Because it's so weird

[eternal talon]

really we just put enough bullets into it. theoretically, if we can kill the parasite that'd do it right out

[molten tundra]

In deadspace, it's pretty simple. The flesh gives up when you've chopped it into bits that can nolonger wiggle in ways that are likely to hurt you.

[eternal talon]

but in terms of gameplay its like a critical mass of physical trauma

[molten tundra]

But here it's like

Headshots are extra damaging until the head is gone

But then it survives without the head

But a BIG enough headshot will... kill it anyways?

[eternal talon]

could be the parasite moving around the host to avoid gunfire

one shot headshot too fast for it.

[molten tundra]

Even though destroying the entire head and upper torso isn't enough to kill a big striker?

[molten tundra]

See this was always my headcanon

Until I discovered how shotguns work in this game

But even if we pretend the Shotgun thing is just

An implementation inconsistency

Or we pretend the parasite can move at like... absurd speed

Does this imply the parasite is a physical organism hiding in the sleeper?

Contorting to fit within it

And not just germs spread throughout it?

[eternal talon]

we don't know the size of it

[molten tundra]

And if so....

Why don't we ever see it?

[eternal talon]

one sleeper could have one big parasite or dozens of small ones

working like a colony

like lekgolo worms in halo

[molten tundra]

Sure, and maybe they all like to cluster in the head until it's removed, or something

And the back is just uh

Poorly armored?

[eternal talon]

sleepers certainly leave dozens of eggs when killed.

[molten tundra]

But why don't we ever see them?

Unless they're microscopic

[eternal talon]

we see their eggs

so they cant be that small

[molten tundra]

Those are eggs?

[eternal talon]

yep. seen in game and confirmed by the devs in here

[molten tundra]

I've seen them a lot

Just assumed they were

[winter pecan]

is there any in-game refrence to the parasitic infection? I've only heard about namv in game.

[molten tundra]

Cysts or ocifications

[molten tundra]

There is yeah

[eternal talon]

many many many.

[molten tundra]

Well

If the eggs are that big

....

[eternal talon]

here is some biomass in a tank that certainly isn't human looking

[molten tundra]

How do we never see the parasite itself

[molten tundra]

See, I've seen that but it's way too big to fit in a shooter

Let alone the shooter's head

[eternal talon]

i wasn't saying it was a parasite

just funky biomass

[molten tundra]

Oh

Do spitters count as funky biomass

[eternal talon]

they are bugs

apparently

[molten tundra]

...really?

Have we ever seen the tongue growth on a dead namv body that didn't have the parasite

[eternal talon]

not that i recall

then again, shooters dont have those.

[molten tundra]

I mean

Maybe they do

And it's just

Inside the head

Can't come out, no hole

[eternal talon]

would be a very inefficient evolution/mutation

[molten tundra]

This would be assuming the tongue is the parasite

[eternal talon]

also how come this thing doesn't lick us then

[molten tundra]

But frankly idk how these eggs get inside you anyways

[eternal talon]

i'd assume its like flies. lays the eggs inside the host then they hatch there to make more

they are never supposed to 'get inside you'

[molten tundra]

Ok

So there's like

Shouldn't we see hatched eggs and burst open sleepers then

How come we never see the parasites roaming around trying to get into us

[eternal talon]

i could point to the teaser image

[molten tundra]

I'm not familiar

[eternal talon]

i gotta try and find it. was tentacles covering a mask and controlling a prisoner

was a gif

[molten tundra]

How old is this teaser

[eternal talon]

relatively recent

alt//r1 or r7

[molten tundra]

...really.

So we could see this soon

[eternal talon]

here was part of its teaser #dev-leaks message

the full gif is on here somewhere

i just gotta find it

[molten tundra]

I guess if it's some small tentacle creature hiding in their bodies, it could need to stay in the head to survive in the longterm, and in the short term it forces its way into other locations to keep fighting to protect the hive before it dies

Worth noting we see lots of "dead" sleepers that just... stay that way and don't despawn

I assume the despawning is a game play performance thing given we see them disembowled and just, completely dead in levels like r7c1

[eternal talon]

FOUND IT

[molten tundra]

Also in the games defense, iirc as long as enemies limbs are still movng you'll see some tendons running along the bones

Given that we never see injured sleepers moving around, I think it's safe to assume that either they regenerate if you fail to kill the parasite, or sleepers eventually die from their injuries

After all, no new parasites move in to control the ripped-in-half sleepers

[molten tundra]

Like these

[molten tundra]

They're very jiggly

[past matrix]

thats supposed to be for the snatcher

[past matrix]

it was planned, but never fully implemented in-game. I wouldn't be surprised if in R8 they come

[molten tundra]

It'd feel a little weird only seeing them in the final rundown but I'd take it over not at all

[past matrix]

well its the only time they can appear now

since they're not adding anything new for the next year or so with alt rundowns

[molten tundra]

Have they confirmed no new enemies or enemies from say, r6 and r7 will be in the older rundowns?

I mean, hybrids weren't in r1 before but i saw some in the waves in alt r1c1

[drifting island]

the only confirmed was no snatchers in R1

i would guess enemies show up 1 to 2 rundowns early like how Hybrids did

[molten tundra]

It'd feel weird to see snatches show up early given their like

Big build up

[pearl trench]

i somewhat suspect r1c1 got hybrids just because it'd be a straight snooze otherwise

[molten tundra]

It was certainly more interesting with them added

But it wasn't very hard even with them there

[solemn kraken]

It would not surprise me if they just re add chargers to R2

[molten tundra]

Wasn't there already chargers in r1

[solemn kraken]

Yes, but OG R2 chargers decided to leave on lunch break.

[molten tundra]

Huh

[solemn kraken]

To only come back for R3

[solemn kraken]

Hey it wasn't my idea

But yes R2 has not one single charger

LOADS of spitters tho 😏

[twilit girder]

speaking of spitters, i havent seen one in a while now

is there any in r7

[molten tundra]

yes

[solemn kraken]

Cause they did not exist in R1. and R7 only has them on C2 Overload

[twilit girder]

i knew about r1 not having them

i was there at the og rundown

[molten tundra]

spitters are not the most fun enemy

best used sparingly if at all

[solemn kraken]

Even R6 had more spitters

[twilit girder]

They are fun

when you play with someone who never seen one

just tell em to stand next to one without saying why

[solemn kraken]

Well R2 has them everywhere. so you gon be happy 😃

[molten tundra]

infection, and infectious fog, is a cool mechanic

the spitters themselves are like playing where's waldo, followed by rhythm game stare-at-waldo

[solemn kraken]

Well those will be plenty available as well in R2. When they finally release it

But yes I think the easiest for them is just to add chargers to R2 and then say: see ! it's not the same!

[molten tundra]

r2 but every level has snatchers that drag you into the fog and spitters

[solemn kraken]

Would make the rundown hard again

[molten tundra]

Having watched rundown 1 when it first came out

im not sure it was ever hard

[solemn kraken]

It never was

[molten tundra]

i remember watching markiplier soloing most of the levels and it didnt take him very many tries

[solemn kraken]

R1 never was hard. R2 was a big step up. but going back to it was mostly first clears

So it is not going to be a long lasting one either I am afraid

Probably gotta wait for R4-R5. And then R8 meaby?

[molten tundra]

idk, i feel like i can get some replayability out of r1 with solos

[solemn kraken]

Oh for sure. It is just not very challenging. Solo obv will give a bit more challenge tho.

But then you have new players who finish R1 in 10 hours and think they gonna do R7 in 10 hours as well 😂

Poor lost souls

[molten tundra]

i started in r5

very hard rundown

[solemn kraken]

Hardest

Unless they actually make R8 the hardest ... but we'll see

[molten tundra]

who knows

the addition of bots has changed the game fundamentally

back then, my crowning achievement was that my friend and I managed to do r5a1 extreme with just the two of us

[solemn kraken]

Yes, not for the better

[molten tundra]

eh

ehhhhh

[solemn kraken]

Altho it's more a expectations thing

[molten tundra]

maybe if you have a 4 man or want to play with strangers on the internet

for people with 2 or 3 players, bots was a big upgrade

playing with 1 bot is largely manageable

even on hard levels

[solemn kraken]

There is a big problem with that: you have a lot of players coming in. they see bots, they think: neat time to solo play.

Does not work

[molten tundra]

But my girlfriend is trans and her voice makes her dysphoric, and there's a 0 percent chance she's gonna wanna play with strangers.

And even if she did, my other friends don't, emotionally, wanna have to deal with the emotional baggage of strangers on the internet.

There's a huge reason I never got further than the B levels in r5

even thouigh I queued with strangers for a few missions in the discord

[solemn kraken]

Later levels make it very clear the game is meant for 4 players(devs words, not mine)

3 with a bot is Def possible

But that's what it is. a bandaid

But never tell someone he is gonna finish this game with only bots. cause that's a lie

[molten tundra]

i think that's pretty rundown specific

and honestly, readding the earlier rundowns, which were easier, is gonna make solo+bot or duo+bots play a lot better

[solemn kraken]

R1 yes. R6 meaby. the rest? probably not

[molten tundra]

I mostly see bots as making solo play fine and fun for early levels, and making duo and trio play manageable at high skill for the hard ones

[solemn kraken]

Which is not strange cause you know communication and stuff

[molten tundra]

I probably wouldn't have played the later rundowns much if they hadn't added bots

[solemn kraken]

Sure. That might be manageable with duo or three man

[molten tundra]

r5 was so hard that literally half my friends that bought the game dropped it

[solemn kraken]

well it was the hardest.

[molten tundra]

so it was just me, and super-short-attention-span ADHD buddy who would lose interest quickly, who i ran r5a1 extreme as a duo with

[solemn kraken]

Altho in R7E1 for example I probably would prefer doing 3 man no bot tbh

[molten tundra]

and with the bots, I was able to solo my way up through r5c1

erm

r6c1

I got stuck on r6d1

then I reran through the missions with him and we cleared em

r6 was easier because scattergun

but

[solemn kraken]

R6 is probably doable with bots solo. Altho even there I see 95% of players failing on R6D3PE

Because bots can't split up

[molten tundra]

r6 was def harder than r1

[solemn kraken]

Ofc

[molten tundra]

but far easier than r5

like, shockingly

[solemn kraken]

R1 is a joke in terms of GTFO

From hardest to easy it would look like: R5, R4, R7, R2, R6, R3, R1

[molten tundra]

r7 was pretty hard

[solemn kraken]

Not hard enough tho

[molten tundra]

my friend and I gave up on doing c1 with bots as a duo - not because we thought it wasn't possible, but because he just got frustrated and bored with it and has a very uh
low, low attention span again

[solemn kraken]

Well now you know that R5 and R4 are going to be even harder

[molten tundra]

I already kenw that about r5

i was there when it happened

[solemn kraken]

Altho with all rundowns in there will be more easy levels to do

So people can hop to other rundowns when stuck

[solemn kraken]

Then now you know it for R4 as well 👍😅

[molten tundra]

r5 was some serious shenanigans

I think re-adding the previous rundowns is gonna help[ me ease some friends who wanted easier stuff back into it, and adding the easiest, r1, is a great place to start

[solemn kraken]

Yes it is a good move

But kinda a d*ck move as well cause now we wait sooooo long for R8

[molten tundra]

I'm cool with that

lots of fun replay content in the mean time

revisiting r5 is gonna be fun, esp now that we have bots and I have a third reliable player

[solemn kraken]

If you made it to R7C1 with bots. R5 will still be rough. even with bots.

But enough practice time before that. soooooo who knows

[molten tundra]

eh

there was two of us

not three

and we coulda done it with some diligence

the snatchers only go for players, having bots really distorts r7c1

[solemn kraken]

hey I was just saying. I already know some levels in R5 where bots are probably going to struggle

[molten tundra]

again, there's only gonna be 1 bot max if/when we get there

[solemn kraken]

That is going to be your saving grace

[past matrix]

their intention was for no new mechanics or anything to be in earlier rundowns (so like, no checkpoints before r6, no optional objectives before r4), but id imagine enemies are fine

they did say though that any new content would be in r8

[molten tundra]

Hmm

I suppose we'll see.

[molten tundra]

I feel like at least in r1 the levels are short enough that you don't really need checkpoints

I'm not sure when you'd start benefitting, but some of the r6 and 7 levels are real slogs

[solemn kraken]

no levels need checkpoints

[molten tundra]

When you say this, to be clear, are you stating no levels benefit, from a game design perspective, from having checkpoints, or that it's never strictly necessary for the levels to function and be completable?

[solemn kraken]

it's never necessary.

I would add onto it tho that the game is not build for it

[molten tundra]

From a technical perspective, I would agree. And I would also agree that the design of earlier levels is not designed around them.

I would say that there were levels in r6 and r7 that felt designed with checkpoints in mind.

[solemn kraken]

even R7. there is no mission longer than 1.5 hours.

or R6

why the need for checky's.

[molten tundra]

Perhaps when played by a highly experienced team unlikely to need checkpoints

[solemn kraken]

the whole design of the game is growing and getting better as a team. so that with the hard aspect

checkpoints was just a cave in from the devs

[molten tundra]

You seem to have very strong opinions on this

For most people trying to get into the game early on, even easy levels usually take upwards of an hour.

With no deaths

[solemn kraken]

Ask @brazen willow 😏

[molten tundra]

The longer ones frequently take far longer

[solemn kraken]

yep and there is nothing wrong with getting your ass whooped

[molten tundra]

The issue is not losing

There's a couple caveats

First, some levels have segments which are not particularly difficult, but are long and tedious unless you have a lot of experience. Stealth really slows the game down.

Replaying those segments over and over because you fail at a combat scan after can kill enjoyment of the game for a lot of people. I've had multiple friends lose interest because of it.

[solemn kraken]

part of the game. just means you make sure the next try you get your s together. it s a non argument

the overcoming odds part of the game is gone

[molten tundra]

Second, if a level takes 2-4 hours to complete for the first time with no deaths, as many of the harder levels do, this means a lot of people literally get one attempt at a level per day, if that.

The game essentially demands you have a group of people to try with repeatedly - playing with strangers is far less enjoyable. Demanding that a group of people repeatedly go through material that will be tedious unless they invest hundreds of hours only to fail after several hours, when that's your entire evening, and then asking that all 4 of them agree to try again until they beat it, is a big ask.

[solemn kraken]

and every attempt will be faster cause you are growing and learning. in the end you clear it in 1 hour. Or you don't learn and you quit (which is fine)

[solemn kraken]

Never said it was no big ask.

[eternal talon]

GTFO has a very niche audience

[molten tundra]

Anyways

[eternal talon]

Of masochists

[solemn kraken]

precisely

[solemn kraken]

exactly

[solemn kraken]

and I know they won't remove them. But if they could limit them to 3 use

[molten tundra]

What I'm saying is that having no checkpoints, no bots, AND almost no easy levels (which was the case for r5, and some others) restricts the audience from "people who are capable and interested in spending most of their freetime several days a week to a single attempt at an unforgiving level with intentionally tedious elements", to "people with all of those traits who also have 3 friends who have all of those traits, or are willing to deal with strangers in addition to that"

Which is just

[eternal talon]

R6d1 has 4 checkpoints.

For a 1 hour level

[molten tundra]

If you want to make a game exclusively for that group that's your prerogative

But it's so restrictive that many people who have the traits to otherwise enjoy it simply won't because they don't have an entire playset of friends who also do.

There's nothing morally wrong with developing an extremely niche title

[solemn kraken]

Those people can find other games

It's as simple as that

[molten tundra]

But there's also nothing wrong with broadening the niche

[eternal talon]

Lemme get that tank on a1

[molten tundra]

Checkpoints were an attempt to broaden the niche without pushing away hard-core players

[solemn kraken]

I'm not asking to change my little pony games so they fit also for me

[solemn kraken]

well 😂

[molten tundra]

I'm gonna be honest Dj

[eternal talon]

It makes those who do have successful clears have less of an impact as compared to someone who reset at checkpoints 46 times.

[molten tundra]

I'm getting some real elitist, "if you don't dislike this thing the devs added, this game isn't for you, so go kick sand" vibes here

[solemn kraken]

I know I m a radical

[eternal talon]

Both cleared the level, but only one cleared the level

[molten tundra]

Those kind of attitudes will push people away from these communities.

They're kind of toxic.

[eternal talon]

That is very very significant in this community sadly.

[molten tundra]

I've been extremely uh, neutral in my discussion of this

[solemn kraken]

And that is wrong m8. I just saying people do not know how to play this game anymore. (And yes carrying has the same problem)

[eternal talon]

So not gonna lie to you, the majority of people still playing GTFO are those elitist veterans

[molten tundra]

And really tried to explain and be as understanding of all sides here

[eternal talon]

I mean fuck, I first started playing myself back in r1. Do I dislike checkpoints? No. But because they exist, I'm gonna be lazy and abuse the fuck out of them

[solemn kraken]

When you see someone spend 6 hours on the last checkpoint of R6C1 then you know the system is f'd

[eternal talon]

It's just how it is. They make the difficulty easier across the board, weather you want them or not

[solemn kraken]

And that is not a isolated incident

Anyhow I got some R3 to do

[eternal talon]

Nice

[molten tundra]

But it really sounds like your opinion here essentially boils down to "I individually have an image of what this game should be, even though the devs intentionally added featurs to deviate from rhat, I think they should be removed even jf most people enjoy them, and everyone else should just go play other games because all that matters here is what I want the game to be - not the devs, not you, but me"

[solemn kraken]

until next debate

[molten tundra]

And it's a bit hard to want to engage with you as a result.

[eternal talon]

R3 was pretty good. Never finished that one

[molten tundra]

Enjoy r3

[solemn kraken]

Nah it's the whole game who is not made for it

[eternal talon]

Tbf that's mostly down to them implementing them long after basically all of the code is hard set.

[molten tundra]

I'd be fine with adding no-checkpoint-only rewards/badges

[eternal talon]

As would I but they ain't gonna do that so whatevs.

Don't bother me

[molten tundra]

But I disagree with this idea that even if the checkpoint bug didn't exist, their presence in the game for those who want it, even if others can ignore it, fundamentally is bad for the game, and instead of having fun with this mechanic you can just not engage with if you don't like, instead those people should just leave

[eternal talon]

They recently rolled the exclusive cosmetics for stuff like all overloads and secondaries into the normal RNG cosmetic pool

Which reaaallly sucks

Especially for those who already got them the hard way

[molten tundra]

I agree, but I saw a post from the community manager that it was done nor because they wanted to, but to prevent issues when adding old rundowns

[eternal talon]

Yeah

[molten tundra]

And I'd frankly rather have all rundowns avail, than just 1 with a slightly better cosmetic reward system

[eternal talon]

I guess but it's still moving previously difficult cosmetics to rng drops

[molten tundra]

Indeed

[eternal talon]

Like imagine you farm out an entire rundown for a cosmetic, then some dude gets it from rng for beating a1

[molten tundra]

I mean

Imagine you do it and some dude mods it in

[eternal talon]

Cosmetics are server side.

Same as boosters

[molten tundra]

Maybe they mod their game to make another one look like it

[eternal talon]

Then only they would be able to see it

Again, server side

[molten tundra]

If you aren't playing with this person yourself, you're not gonna see it unless they post pictures

[eternal talon]

Besides, modding in the official server is an insta-ban.

[molten tundra]

And If they do they could be modded

But mods aside

People can also just get carries

I get the idea that losing the badge of honor aspect of a cosmetic can be disappointing

But

[eternal talon]

Kinda hard to carry in a game like GTFO. Not impossible mind you, but this isn't like 40 man raids in wow

[molten tundra]

It was never really pure to begin with

[molten tundra]

It really depends on how good your teammates are

[eternal talon]

R6d3 overload requires 2 people to sneak through tank respawn room and two people to fight off an error alarm with only melee

1 person can't carry that

[molten tundra]

The carry isn't 1 person

The person being carried is carried by 3

[eternal talon]

It's teams of two

[molten tundra]

Source: I have been carried in gtfo

[eternal talon]

D3 PE splits the party

[molten tundra]

OK.

[eternal talon]

Unless you want to wake and have to shoot up a half dozen respawn rooms, a couple tanks, while dealing with the error

[molten tundra]

This is interesting, but ultimately tangential to my point

I mean first of all, this is super rundown and level dependent

And many rundowns you can absolutely be carried

[eternal talon]

Yes, as are the rewards in question.

"All secondaries" and "all overloads"

[molten tundra]

It's possible there's a rundown where it's iterally impossible to be carried

[eternal talon]

You don't get the cosmetic drops if you skipped one

[molten tundra]

I've yet to see proof of that but I'm open to it if you have it.

[eternal talon]

R4 reactor melee comes to mind

Especially now with stamina

[molten tundra]

Anyways

Even if that is the case

It's not like the badges are removed from your sheet

Most of these rundown didn't have cosmetic rewards to begin with

[eternal talon]

If they are given to other players then they are more common and thus, less special

[molten tundra]

People who beat rundowns prior to 6 didn't get any visual acknowledgement

[eternal talon]

They lose their value

[eternal talon]

Cosmetics didn't exist before r6

In any form

[molten tundra]

My point is that the amount of items affected by this is

Very small

[worthy flower]

if you did it once, you can do it again.

[eternal talon]

Did what once

[molten tundra]

Additionally, it appears some items have not entered the random drop pool as far as I'm aware

[worthy flower]

ur mum lad

[molten tundra]

The Halloween mask, the r1 all complete reward

Nor sure which others

[eternal talon]

I've been told all are. Including the r7e1 helmet.

[molten tundra]

Really?

Do you have a source?

I've heard conflicting intel

[eternal talon]

Everything except Chinese new years and r6 extended helmets

And I guess the gamescom ones, not sure about it

[molten tundra]

Again, where did you hear this?

[eternal talon]

I remember talking to Calle about it the day or two after

[molten tundra]

I'd be interested to know.

[eternal talon]

The community manager

[late raven]

I dont realy find this discussion to be lore based

[eternal talon]

Hasn't been for hours. I just dropped by

[molten tundra]

I don't find you to be lore based

[late raven]

So maybeyou could move this where it should be?

[eternal talon]

I find your lack of lore to be disturbing

[molten tundra]

Maybe you should move to where you should be

Frosty what's the lore on why the helmets are in the all drop pool now

[eternal talon]

Cosmetics aren't Canon, so there is none.

[molten tundra]

Fake news

[eternal talon]

I mean c'mon, we have prosthetic legs and arms

You can't just reattach an arm when you don't want to use the prosthetic anymore

[molten tundra]

Says you

If HSUs can cure NAM-v

Who says we can't reattach limbs huh

Anyways I get having the visual and wearable badge of honor for having beaten missions made accessible to everyone removes that meaning and sucks

But we lost like, 2

And in exchange we get 8 rundowns at once

I'll take the trade

Hopefully, the future "all complete" cosmetics like the alt r1 helm can remain out of the random drop pool to retain some of that feel you desire.

[worthy flower]

meh, if you FC all rundowns, i think you should have em

[molten tundra]

I mean it's not like they're gonna be limited time anymore anyways, with rundowns nolonger in circulation

My biggest concern is it seems like we have more cosmetics than we have opportunities to earn them

Or is there some way to earn them once you've beaten every mission?

[worthy flower]

whats the total number of missions from 2-7?

[molten tundra]

Uhhhhhh

[worthy flower]

assuming you get 1 per floor, i think you have a decent chance of getting whats left

[molten tundra]

There's a lot, but if they add more cosmetics each time they return an old rundown it may not help

[worthy flower]

implying they want to throw more than a couple cosmetics per RD

[molten tundra]

Do we actually know how many cosmetics are in yet?

[worthy flower]

we do, but i dont keep track.

[molten tundra]

Anyways

[worthy flower]

all considered, there's not a lot left in the pool

as is

[autumn mulch]

I wish i got the green camo one but i got the pumpkin camo instead

Which i guess isnt bad

[peak scaffold]

How do these guys eat? After each mission they are just put back into hypersleep right? And they cant take off their masks cause then it’ll explode. So how do they eat? What do they eat? And when?

[eternal talon]

Their masks do NOT have bombs in them. The YouTube reviewer was completely wrong on that account.

[peak scaffold]

Oooh, okay sorry. But still; how do they eat?

[eternal talon]

KSOs don't really eat, id imagine it is all fed via IV and provided while the user is in hydrostasis like everything else.

[peak scaffold]

KSO’s? What that stand for?

[eternal talon]

Kovac Security operative

Who we play as

I highly recommend reading the "for dummies" document in the pins

It will explain just about everything

[peak scaffold]

Ah thanks, I admit I cant play cause I dont have a PC but the lore is interesting

What channel is that located in? Im still kinda noob to discord

[eternal talon]

This one

On mobile or pc

Either way, top right corner

Little 📌 icon

[peak scaffold]

Oh thanks man, if this was reddit id give you gold

[white moth]

Why does this seem like gtfo lore lmao

[fossil kernel]

guys i think that the masks have bombs on them

gud lore me like baomb

[white moth]

I gotchu fam

It’s quiet but here

https://youtube.com/shorts/5e1dx-KXYLk?feature=share

[fleet notch]

Does the mutagen have an official name yet or can I keep calling it the Descolada? (after the disease from Speaker for the Dead)

[molten tundra]

Like the thing that mutates people into monsters?

That's a combination of the NAM-V virus and a parasite (I think tentatively named Parasitidae Hammerstein by Dr Hammerstein, but generally just called the parasite)

See the pinned lore doc

[fleet notch]

A parasite? huh. I'll check that out.

Thanks!

[molten tundra]

The virus causes the mutations, but the parasite is needed to puppet the body afterwards. If the parasite isn't in the body as it mutates, it can't use the resulting transformed body, which just results in the host dieing

The parasite on its own can control its host but they won't be mutated.

The parasite is not present on the surface, so all the people up top faced was a deadly plague.

[fleet notch]

So the hallucinations/violent outbursts are from the parasite?

[molten tundra]

I think that's the virus

Like rabies

Then the parasite takes over and fully puppets them

[drifting island]

and parasite is its own insect hive/hierarchy to it

[eternal talon]

the what?

[eternal talon]

that is from the virus, yes. as Joe said.

[eternal talon]

correct.

[fleet notch]

which one? "Mutagen" or "Descolada"?

[pearl trench]

Speaker for the Dead
Good taste

[fleet notch]

Thanks!

[eternal talon]

Neither of those are in gtfo...

its a virus called NAM-V and a parasite called Parasitidae Garganta/Hammerstein

[peak scaffold]

Makes sense, the tub feeding not the secret stash of food

[summer frost]

Who exactly is the warden?

[toxic flower]

the warden

[summer frost]

Cool beans

[drifting island]

the one who sends you on missions, and its probably in the pinned 'lore for dummies'

[white moth]

Nah they have a lifetime supply of Mountain Dew and Doritos because of a call of duty sponsorship since aswe know bishop was a pro player

[eternal talon]

an artificial intelligence.

specifically a DI that was inserted into the biocom network and forcefully took it over.

Biocom and the WRDN are fighting for control over the network to this very day.

[molten tundra]

Isn't there a distinction between Biocom (the entire communications network) and the "Biocom AI" that oversaw it

Or are we supposed to believe that the warden was injected into the AI itself

[eternal talon]

yes.

the WRDN and BIOCOM are two seperate AIs.

BIOCOM controlls the biocom network and the Hearsay network.

WRDN got injected into the biocom network and took it over.

biocom, so to say, is fighting with the wrdn to get its body back.

and just recently in r7d2 now schaeffer is in the mix trying to take over the biocom network

#FeelsBadMan

[eternal talon]

we don't know who or what or how WRDN got injected into the biocom network.

[molten tundra]

Also, doesn't the biocom network itself receive commands from the workers / etc? I was under the impression that BIOCOM was an AI to essentially facilitate the smooth running of Biocom and assist, but there was still human overseers involved in all the projects AFAIK?

[eternal talon]

yes, specifically Kovac. Kovac created the biocom network to run their legion program and all of their KSOs.

when WRDN took over, it stopped listening to kovac.

for obvious reasons

[molten tundra]

Ahhh

[eternal talon]

kovac had their private army stolen right out from under them.

[molten tundra]

I'm assuming that historically KSO missions themselves were established by Kovacs, and then Biocom handled command within missions? Do we know how much freedom Biocom had with the soldiers?

[eternal talon]

presumably, yeah.

[molten tundra]

Course at this point WRDN has hijacked most of that functionality

[eternal talon]

we don't know specifically. we have a couple examples though, like bishop on the EF01 mission was almost robotic, but now in gameplay he is almost 'normal'

[molten tundra]

Interesting

[eternal talon]

its all controlled by the KSO's neural implants. the same chip that schaeffer tore out of henrikkson in r7c1.

[molten tundra]

So is that implying that Biocom was directly puppeting the soldiers itself with no free will, to fulfill orders given by human overseers?

Does that imply**

[eternal talon]

basically.. yes.

[molten tundra]

That's interesting. I was under the impression that the main 4 were put together as an algorithmically-chosen super team via machine learning - if they had no autonomy, you'd think that wouldn't be relevant

[eternal talon]

its amazing how much of what was previously only theory is confirmed by a single repeating text log.

[molten tundra]

Did Biocom put them together or did the WRDN?

Are we supposed to infer that they perform better than the BIOCOM-directed puppets, which is why the WRDN doesn't directly control its soldiers?

Or that WRDN lacks the combat specialty to be effective itself?

[eternal talon]

kovac me thinks.
**At some point I’d like to address the auditory response irregularity noted in my previous report. While the short-term solution is to simply offer ear protection for operatives who are overly sensitive to certain frequencies, I’d like to put together a team to research the problem. Let me know.

We continue to strive for the perfect quad.**

https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=255b2fca66ab443790dc2d010a41ac28&pm=s

[eternal talon]

no idea.

[molten tundra]

It sounds like BIOCOM certainly micromanaged its soldiers much more than the WRDN does, but maybe didn't directly control every action they made

Unclear I guess

[plush narwhal]

what happened with the rest of civilization are the sleepers in cities too what if there is a pandemic that causes these things

[molten tundra]

Check the pinned lore for dummies doc

But also take with a grain of salt that uh

As much as 10-30% of humanity may still be alive depending

We really don't know for sure

It talks about a calculation that we're down to the last couple hundred thousand but I talked with the guy who did it and he agreed its based on some bad math and some assumptions

Conservatively, as much as 30% of humanity may remain, but society as we know it has collapsed. Alternatively, almost everyone may be dead, if the virus continued to adapt rapidly and become more potent.

Sleepers aren't on the surface because only the virus is on the surface, and sleepers need the virus and the parasite.

The parasite is like, not microscopic as far as we know - it's eggs are like fist-sized, so it can't just like
Spread through the air and stay on surfaces everywhere for 4 weeks like the virus can

So it spreads a lot slower

[plush narwhal]

wouldn't the virus die without a host on the surface to spread. hypothetically shouldn't the surface be safe

[molten tundra]

The surface hasn't run out of hosts yet

First of all

Again, anywhere between hundreds of thousands, and over a billion humans may still be alive

Depending on your estimation and assumptions

The majority are probably dead, and global society has collapsed

But it hasn't had nearly enough time to kill everyone given the rates we were seeing befoee

Especially when you consider that viruses spread slower the more people they kill because population density drops

[plush narwhal]

what restricts the parasite to be contained in the facility

[molten tundra]

.

The same thing that prevents dogs from spreading all over the planet at the same speed covid did

Also

The parasite can be removed from a host (cured)

The virus mostly cant

There's a way to cure it but only one company has it, and they chose not to share it with the rest of the world for mysterious reasons we have yet to learn

And the cure has huge drawbacks

Permanent memory loss and brain damage

Etc

Better than being dead

[plush narwhal]

dementia

[molten tundra]

But it's not fantastic

Not quite that bad

But like

It's the memory issues KSOs have

(The main characters)

You may recover in time if you aren't continuously re exposed

To the cure

But our prisoners are

So

Parasite could largely be dealt with by removing it, and its far less easy to spread

Virus stays on surfaces and in the air for 4 weeks after leaving the host before dieing

Which is pretty insane

In water too, etc

Spreads via all bodily fluids

Goes through gas masks and hazmat suits

Severe Isolation is really the only way to avoid it

And worse, it's probably infecting animals too

Because it's shown it can adapt to like

Almost any species

Soooooo

[plush narwhal]

it lives for ages, its a terrible virus, pared with a parasite it mutates bodys. could it be a super weapon

[molten tundra]

It mutates bodies on its own

But without a parasite to control the mutated result, the host just dies

The parasite puppets the flesh and is made immortal by the virus

Allowing the virus to avoid running out of food

It's likely a bioweapon, yes.

[plush narwhal]

it causes uncontrolable genetic diseases

[molten tundra]

Also

It took decades to adapt to humanity

And probably still hasn't really

As far as we can tell, this is nowhere near its optimal performance

Because it wasn't made to target us

We're basically just collateral

Algea in a pond struggling to survive waste dumping from a nearby factory

[plush narwhal]

ight man i gotta go

[eternal talon]

damn this is good

[molten tundra]

I mean as far as we know the civilization this last targeted, or was made by, operates on a multiversal scale. If thats the case, them losing a planet to a virus bombing is about as impactful to them as someone dieing in a car accident is to us.

It's a big assumption to presume they even care about having lost that planet in the grand scheme, let alone how attempts to evacuate it affected primitive lifeforms on some underdeveloped backwater.

They probably just didn't come back because the virus is made to stick around - which probably makes recolonizing more trouble than it's worth when you can pick literally any planet it any alternate dimensions version of your universe.

The fact that they had the tech needed to jump around like that, and so many species sampled from so many evolutionary lines, makes it pretty likely this didn't really matter to them.

It's an interesting approach to existential horror - not the idea that there's some unknowable dark god beyond comprehension, but that you're basically irrelevant insects catching strays from the byproducts of actions of a civilization so far beyond yours that they barely even care about how these actions have affected them, let alone you

In that aspect it's a bit like roadside picnic, the book the STALKER series was based on

It was a crash landing rather than an intentional visit but the idea is in many ways similar

[silver sandal]

The most likely theory is that some other human injected WRDN into the system right?

Or perhaps WRDN was like a fail safe if certain members of the corporations died?

[molten tundra]

We really have no idea.

[silver sandal]

It's fun to speculate

[proven hemlock]

Damn, that's a lot of lore for "hammer go bonk" game

[silver sandal]

I wish we knew a bit more about how the goals differ between WRDN and Biocomm

[molten tundra]

BIOCOM's goals are keeping the facility in a total state of lockdown. Why, is a mystery, as is why Kovacs didn't share the cure with anyone.

[silver sandal]

Because it's basically been WRDN in control for the entire game correct?

[molten tundra]

But it mysteriously trapped everyone

[silver sandal]

Potentially to trap the parasite below ground? Wouldn't make sense since there is a giant hole we drop through to start each mission. Kinda weird that the parasite has stayed in the complex this whole time.

[molten tundra]

WRDN has successfully managed to take control of KSO operarion (or at least parts of it, increasing over time - see our missions to reach KDS Deep, etc) as part of what appears to have been attempts at using the technology of project RISE to generically engineer human-based soldiers which are completely invisible to sleepers and immune to the virus.

Unit 22 was the first success that didn't either die in the making or wasn't put down by the WRDN / other KSOs under the warden / sleepers maybe

Scouts could still detect them, so they werent perfect, and then Schaeffer beat them to death with a lead pipe

Because Schaeffer is a lunatic

Unit 23 is in progress to replace and iterate on the process, which rundown 7 was about creating.

[silver sandal]

Very interesting stuff

I'm almost done with R7

Clearly there is more work/research/mysteries to explore in the complex if such lengths are gone to create better soldiers

[molten tundra]

Humanity is basically dieing off right now and society has largely collapsed

The end goal with Unit 23 is largely unknown

[silver sandal]

Right. Which makes it kinda odd that WRDN is teleporting us to other planets and things like that no?

Or dimensions

[molten tundra]

A breed of humans immune to the virus to repopulate? Shock troopers to finish some final mission?

[molten tundra]

A specific planet in another dimension, which has been visited before, and has important data needed for these projects- r6d1 was about getting access to genetic material needed for Unit 23 iirc

Something like that

[silver sandal]

Also was it ever established what made the giant hole in the complex that we drop into?

[molten tundra]

Yes

At some point there was a gigantic explosion likely originating from the alien spaceship at the bottom of garganta that ripped through the entire facility up to the surface, and spread like a shotgun blast

In spite of both this and the apocalypse they kept digging for 10 more years minimum

And started just using the holes as cargo lifts

Hence the cranes and cargo transport stuff used to deploy us

[silver sandal]

Ah so it's not the same hole each time, which never seemed like it made sense

[molten tundra]

I think it may be a different hole for each rundown?

[silver sandal]

Yeah that sounds likely

[molten tundra]

The rundown screen displays them each as a different shaft

[silver sandal]

And the new Rundown screen shows them all next to each other as circles

[molten tundra]

Yeah

[silver sandal]

And where is the other leadership? Shaefer can't be the only worker left alive can he?

[solemn kraken]

98% of people are dead planetwide

[silver sandal]

I'm talking about in the complex

[molten tundra]

The math on this is very sketchy

[solemn kraken]

How far did you get?

[molten tundra]

We've been over this a few times

[silver sandal]

I've played most of R1, R6, and R7.

[solemn kraken]

Then you know schaeffer is not alone

[molten tundra]

It could be anywhere between "everyone is dead" and "as much as 30% of humanity or more remains but global society as we knew it is gone"

The estimates for 100k were based on some very bad math

[solemn kraken]

Fair. I gathered that consensus was everyone is ded

except HSU's

[molten tundra]

It could be, we really don't know surface wise

[solemn kraken]

people in HSU's*

[silver sandal]

Yeah, I didn't mean other randos like him, I meant actual leadership of these companies. Has it been years since any official words from the corporations?

[molten tundra]

In the facility itself thouth

It's mostly Schaeffer and KSOs, and the guys he freed

[silver sandal]

What do y'all think Schaefers intentions are at this point?

[molten tundra]

Because the thing is at this point the facility operated for like 20 years while actively fighting sleepers, and for the last 10 the virus started rapidly killing people

[solemn kraken]

Well problem is: when you see the state of things. Plus the fact that warden is basically an AI. we can assume there is nothing left of leadership or the company

[molten tundra]

The only cure for infection, which almost nobody knew about because Kovacs is being weird about it and kept it top secret, was HSU storage

[solemn kraken]

Schaeffer just wants to escape I think.

[molten tundra]

So in those 10 years virtually everyone died from infection, became a sleeper, was eaten by sleepers (they do this) or escaped by putting themselves in an HSU

This is likely why so many high ranking individuals like administrators and officers, are found in HSUs

Which were supposed to basically just be for criminals that were kidnapped into being biodrones

This is how Dauda ended up as a KSO

Despite being like

Top researcher

[silver sandal]

Also in that one mission where we go get the Neonate, there is like hundreds more behind the glass. Are neonates basically clone babies? Or genetically modified?

[molten tundra]

Neonates are RISE

[solemn kraken]

you mean R2E1.

[molten tundra]

An alternative to the "we have to keep kidnapping people" issue

Solution

Start growing people at accelerated rates

[silver sandal]

No I think it was R7A or B

[molten tundra]

There was issues and the program fell apart

[silver sandal]

Can't remember

[molten tundra]

But the tech is still here

Neonates are the like

Prepared to be grown stuff

I think?

[solemn kraken]

What you see in R7A1 are grown up HSU's it's where schaefder gets henriksson from

[molten tundra]

The fact that It takes 7 years to grow up a Neonate also really impacts the timeline

[solemn kraken]

The neonate in R7A1 is just handen to us at start of the mission

[molten tundra]

Because it may imply that because we enabled growing unit 22 and 23

[solemn kraken]

R2E1 is the only mission where we have to go grab one

[molten tundra]

That years have passed with us in storage

[silver sandal]

Yeah I'm thinking of a different mission

[molten tundra]

I'm not 100% on that tho

The Neonates timeline impact stuff is not my forte

[solemn kraken]

Not anymore tho 😏

[molten tundra]

Did we find a way to speed it up

I forget

[solemn kraken]

Have you played R7D1?

[molten tundra]

Nah

[solemn kraken]

the baby grows to adult height in the matter of a minute

[molten tundra]

Huh

Wonder what changed

Neat

[solemn kraken]

GLP-2 from R7C1

it's the first time

[silver sandal]

Ngl I really like the lore and all the build up but I hope it delivers in a more meaningful way, perhaps this is why they are taking more time w/ R8

[solemn kraken]

Before we always had GLP

never GLP-2

[molten tundra]

I enjoyed traveling to Arizona personally

Thought that was neat

[silver sandal]

Yeah that was a big twist for sure

But why? All of a sudden we have aliens and dimensional transportation

[molten tundra]

The crazier thing is

Mathematically we know for sure

That the parasitic lifeforms have survived dormant on Arizona for over 5 billion years

Which implies actual functional immortality unless killed

And they Def can die

[solemn kraken]

In any case these are A LOT stronger growth hormones

[molten tundra]

It's not that sudden. Teleportation was hinted in the r5 log about a sleeper popping into existence, and the drill site happening in the location of the meteor that killed the dinosaurs was a huge hint

[silver sandal]

Didn't we already kinda know that? That's why the sleepers sleep for eons 😅

[molten tundra]

I was assuming aliens ever since I learned where the dig site was tbh

[solemn kraken]

I think at end of R7 we also are almost at the meteor's depth

[molten tundra]

I'm hoping in r8 we get to see the craft

Ans maybe some alien sleepers

Would be cool

Also the parasite itself

Which has been suspiciously absent

[silver sandal]

So basically we dug down in the crater, found a alien ship down there, it shotgunned holes through the earth to the surface and released the virus/parasite combo as a bioweapon?

[molten tundra]

Read the pinned lore for dummies doc

[silver sandal]

I did

[molten tundra]

We released it when we drilled in

Not when it blew up

Explosion was later

[silver sandal]

Okay but other than that, that's basically one of the main theories right?

[molten tundra]

I mean

Here's the skinny:

A multiversal civilization released a virus bomb or something (or was targeted, or smth) on one of its planets

A ship tried to escape but was contaminated

It teleportwd here

The crew died so it crash landed and wiped out the dinosaurs

We dug in looking for iridium

Released the bioweapon

Now here we are.

[silver sandal]

Ah so it was the ship crashing and not an asteroid

[molten tundra]

I mean

The fact that the ship killed the dinosaurs

Implies it was absurdly big

It may as well have been an asteroid functionally

But yeah.

[silver sandal]

Like a zombie movie combined with the plot of prometheus

[molten tundra]

Again

For a civilization capable of colonizing not only anywhere in their universe, but in any universe avross many dimensikns, losing thay planet was likely about as impactful as hearing about a car accident on your way to work.

As ive said before, We're basically algae in a pond struggling to survive the toxic runoff from a factory that neither knows nor cares that we exist.

We're insignificant collateral.

My theory at least

Ymmv

[silver sandal]

If they are that advanced they might care about the spread of their vicious bioweapon through dimensions. Or maybe not

[molten tundra]

The bio weapon can't spread across dimensions on its own

It only came here cuz they telephoned it here

And they've had millions of years to do something about it assuming they didn't only live on that one planet despite their absurd tech, and have chosen not to

And why would you? You can just go anywhere

I see it like the imperium of man losing a planet in 40k

So insignificant they may not even know it happened.

[proven hemlock]

Cadia fell before the Guard fell o7

[molten tundra]

o7

[proven hemlock]

So the lore for GTFO is aliens want Earth and are trying to take over and colonise via a virus/parasite combo

Right?

[molten tundra]

Nah

Some refugees came here and accidentally spread aids

Like 5 billion years ago their time

And they never checked it out or came to take a look

Assuming they're still around they either don't know or don't care

Meanwhile, we're having a stalker roadside picnic incident

Where the garbage they left behind and the aids they brought is both the most advanced treasure we've ever found, and the source of our apocalypse

[proven hemlock]

The AIDS has practical uses?

[molten tundra]

It's assumed to be a bioweapon, either made by them to kill each other, or made by some other faction to kill them

It's practical in of that it essentially renders a planet uninhabitable

[proven hemlock]

What good is a bioweapon that targets both sides?

[molten tundra]

I mean

There's so many answers to that

1. If another group made it that group may be immune

2. Bombs IRL don't discriminate either. If you virus bomb all your enemies planets to death you still win the war.

3. Planets are isolated, and these are civilizations capable of traveling not only instantly across the universe, but between dimensions to any universe

4. Could have been released by accident, or by a group that wanted to just kill everyone

Like some religious apocalypse cults

Etc etc

You feel me?

[silver sandal]

It would be cool if in R8 we get into the ship and find an Alien in its own version of an HSU.

But I doubt anything would be alive or the ship even intact if it's impact caused a global apocalypse

[solemn kraken]

well I expect the new environment to be the ship

[silver sandal]

Would be cool.

[proven hemlock]

How big is the ship?

[molten tundra]

We are strongly hinted alien sleepers survived the impact because non-human-looking sleepers capable of teleportation were the first ones spotted

Teleportation has only been spotted in residents of Arizona, where the aliens are from

[sharp dawn]

Always thought that the aliens were the flying enemies

[molten tundra]

Additionally, Dauda and the research teams talk about studying all sorts of lifeforms from various discordant evolutionary trees believed to be from differenr planets which were found intact after impact, but turned into sleepers

[molten tundra]

I mean those are aliens but current theories are that they're native wildlife of Arizona, infected

Could be though

We have a description of a roughly humanoid teleporting sleeper that was bipedal and "looked like multiple people were mashed together" or something that is usually inferred to be a sleeper of the alien space-faring race

But we don't know for sure

From a log in r5

Got killed by Kovacs operatives and then they confiscated the body

Which explains why there's so much fuckin ammo everywhere

[sharp dawn]

That's why i thought that they were the flyers cuz the log in question mentioned htat hey teleported around

[molten tundra]

KSOs have been fighting alien and human sleepers down here for like 3 decades of drilling

[molten tundra]

It also said they had arms and legs

And "stood"

I've mostly seen the teleportation inferred as meaning they come from the same place as the flyers

Both evolved teleportarion naturally, but one is like an animal, the other was intelligent

We don't know for sure tho

Flyers could indeed be the pilot species

[sharp dawn]

question : did we ever know what happened to the two workers who got teleported when they touched the artifact ?

the matter wave projector i think it's called

[molten tundra]

I know bishop went in and came back but was trapped over there for years cuz time passes 85x faster in Az

Don't remember about the rest

...or something

[silver sandal]

non human capable of teleportation? were they the flying ones or...?

[sharp dawn]

Could it be that this alien monster that looks like many people mashed together be this two workers that after so many years they simply evolved to the state of teleporting ? i know this sounds kinda crazy , but we know that the virus changes the host to extreme levels in some cases

[molten tundra]

It said it had legs and arms and "stood", and looked like multiple people mashed together. Is that what a flyer looks like?

[sharp dawn]

That's maybe why kovac kept the body

[molten tundra]

I say no, ymmv.

[molten tundra]

I don't think so.

I think that was after this

[silver sandal]

ah, didnt realize it was the same creature as the log you were referencing

[molten tundra]

It's uh

It's the r5a3 log iirc

In the mining shaft

[silver sandal]

haven't played R5

[molten tundra]

I haven't read it in a while

[silver sandal]

that sounds promising though, i hope they continue to get away from humanoid shapes

[molten tundra]

I mean the description had the word "humanoid" in it

Just uh

Sort of in the way a mother is humanoid

Or a necromorph from deadspace

I'm mostly excited for:

Hopefully we enter ship

Hopefully parasite is finally added and visible

Hopefully alien sleepers

That's my r8 wishlist

[silver sandal]

the way its described reminds me of the creature from this short film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKWB-MVJ4sQ

very GTFO-like

[solemn kraken]

You'll be in for something

[silver sandal]

ngl before talking with you guys today i thought the parasite was the long tongue like thing that the sleepers and other creatures attack you with

[sharp dawn]

I thought so too , it´s not like that ?

[molten tundra]

AFAIK the parasite is supposed to hatch from the yellow orbs (eggs) you see in sleepees

[silver sandal]

that tongue thing is also whats glowing inside of them correct?

[molten tundra]

Why does the gun only have a 14 round magazine

[silver sandal]

maybe the mag wasnt loaded all the way, idk

[eternal talon]

Holy cow this is a LOT of messages

fuck me for wanting to play warhammer for a couple of hours and turning my pings off.

[eternal talon]

yep. could be anything from an inside job, to some secret organization, to the allens, really.

[eternal talon]

honestly i'm not quite sure what biocom's goals were. WRDN was the one that started locking down the place and getting trapped employees killed.

[eternal talon]

during gameplay, yes.

[eternal talon]

wasn't weird before, though now that the floaters are on earth, it is weird now.

[eternal talon]

we dont know if it was the first success, but it was the first one we've encountered. U22 implies 21 other previous specimens dating all the way back to when we make the first one in r3.

[eternal talon]

beat one of them to death, u22 that we encounter in r6dx

[eternal talon]

yep. just abouts.

[eternal talon]

yep.

[eternal talon]

santonian being santonian, i'm sure.

[silver sandal]

so why did Schaefer beat that one to death?

[eternal talon]

nope, we dont know how many there are, but its likely in the hundreds. there is even more that we don't use to drop down that we see in various levels, filled with charger gunk or otherwise

[eternal talon]

could be for the visual stype tbh, or to indicate different versions of garganta given the timey-wimey stuff

[silver sandal]

so all that gunk in R1C2 is associated with the Chargers? how?

[eternal talon]

to our knowlege, he and henrikkson are the only 'people' left alive down here with us.

[eternal talon]

their original calculations (punk and daraxus, not mine) were 99.98% so, meh.

[eternal talon]

ouch

[eternal talon]

no idea. he is the biggest of wildcards.

[eternal talon]

seems likely, yeah. though kinda fruitless since there is just about nothing on the surface to return to in terms of civilization

[eternal talon]

dauda we hear in an audio log getting into his. he was trapped in a dead end zone with sleepers breaking down the door. kinda fucked tbh

[eternal talon]

they are basically genetically engineered infants that are then incredibly quickly matured via RISE to serve kovac as an alternative to/ replacement for their original Legion program.

[eternal talon]

the fully grown RISE units still had the mental capacity of children, yeah.

child soldier but 200% more da-da

[eternal talon]

yep

[solemn kraken]

It's only present in charger infected area's at least

[eternal talon]

u23 grows up in SECONDS in r7d1 whatchu on about

[eternal talon]

we also see a fuck ton of neonates in the r4 (i forget the level) zone that had the tank and the mountains of corpses.

[eternal talon]

i think even before that i'd say at most its weeks, no point in having RISE to grow child soldiers when child soldiers already grow in 7 years.

kovac certainly doesnt have the moral highground to not use them

[solemn kraken]

True completely forgot that one

[eternal talon]

no idea. came out of left field.

[eternal talon]

100%

[eternal talon]

explosion was caused by hammerstein blasting all kinds of frequencies of sound in the inner trying to get a reaction from the sleepers.

he set something off that was already charging up for days at that point, and boom.

[eternal talon]

technically both.

[eternal talon]

necrons are probably more comparable in power level. able to literally alt+f4 stars and solar systems with the press of a button on a big map across the galexy

[eternal talon]

lel, but 100%

[silver sandal]

so is the explosion when they lost control of the complex? or was that basically when most of the people died and WRDN took over

[eternal talon]

though to be fair as seen in r6d4, multiple versions of earth incuding the alt//r1 earth are all infected.

[eternal talon]

we have rough measurements in meters. i don't remember them off the top of my head.

[solemn kraken]

Was R6D4 not confirmed as being non-canon

?

[eternal talon]

yepperu

[eternal talon]

there was also a durant log on Destination about something 'hunting' them, and 'picking them off one by one' so thats also quite intersting.

[eternal talon]

nope. just went poof and probably died of old age before anybody got around to look for them (85x faster n' all that).

one and a half weeks here is two years there.

[eternal talon]

can't say for certain. but it is a solid guess.

[silver sandal]

without food and water they probably died long before they could age out

[eternal talon]

i can link you the audio logs. 1 sec
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=680debf6b20a4212a311daccbd5041b3&pm=s
this link should take you to an archive with the 6 logs.

[silver sandal]

what do you mean by this? it was one or the other right? or they both landed in the same spot?

[eternal talon]

it only shows up in levels/zones with chargers and also first appeared in the very first room we ever encountered chargers

[silver sandal]

so the idea is that sleepers got exposed to the goo and evolved into chargers?

[eternal talon]

the devs told us to 'not think to much about it' at the time, but given the context and what we know now it certainly fits in far better with the lore.

[eternal talon]

true true

[eternal talon]

it would seem it is either a ship that is made out of an asteroid, or the ship is inside the asteroid. given its roughly egg-like shape and the fact that it impacted the same way a normal meteor would do and... kill all the dinosaurs/cause that extinction event. basically; were it just a ship you would expect to see more defined features than just a big blob of rock.

[eternal talon]

not neccessarily evolved into them, but it is certainly another form they can take like giants, hybrids, and any else.

alright. i think that is everything. I'mma head back into warhammer now.

For Sigmar!

[solemn kraken]

Warhammer 3?

or darktide?

[eternal talon]

Vermintide. I'm a fantasy fan and honestly not really gonna play Total War until Skaven re-releases in 3.

I play skaven and necrons on the tabletops

[solemn kraken]

skaven are released in 3.

[eternal talon]

Wdym. Mortal empires isn't out yet for WH3. I can't play as any of my clans from WH2.

They renamed it and re-released the mode.

[molten tundra]

Really. Interesting.

[molten tundra]

Is this true?

Hmm

I'm not sure how to interpret the results of that knowledge

Huh....

Also: what's the deal with alt//r1? Have we actually gone back onto another dimension, is it Canon, and if so why?

[molten tundra]

Skaven was a lot of fun in 2

[solemn kraken]

yep IN AUGUST

I've been playing constantl;y

[molten tundra]

Also they were but punk also agreed that 10-30% surviving was a more reasonable estimate conservatively speaking, unless we assume it rapidly ramped up in effectiveness (again we're missing too much info to say for sure)

Also you know the lore much better than me, the 100k math thing is the only bit that was kinda silly I've seen so far

I just have to keep pointing it out cuz people keep reading it

Everything else is fantastic

[past matrix]

tbh

i think they probably made it canon now

[solemn kraken]

probably yeah

[past matrix]

the exact quote d0c gave was "don't read into it too much"

[eternal talon]

Yes.

[eternal talon]

I really do not know.

^

[eternal talon]

I know a lot about the lore, probably too much for a normal person, and I do ridiculous amounts of research, but at the end of the day I am not the be all end all.

Some Most of the things in gtfo lore we just cannot say for certain and requires a tad bit of theorycrafting to put together and analyze

So do take everything I say with a grain of salt, I'm not a developer in the board rooms getting the word from God about what the lore really means.

[stone vine]

i finally heard the creaky noise in a refinery tile in r7

which means my noise thing is finally debunked

took so long to hear it

[stone vine]

tbh thats like the big assumption atm and id say its the best guess

it also has some log "evidence"

but its majorly up for interpretation

we know that alt is, at the very least, on a different time-scale due to the confusion surrounding the march earthquake

i say we've gone "a month back" in a different universe in order to change something

not exactly a month but its the only time period weve been given atm

alt and main are linked somehow

considering its an alt universe where ours possibly bleeds into theirs, stuff probably happens pretty similar

definitely differences but overall quite similar

which means going back in time would set us up to maybe re-do or obtain something we missed that took place in the future yk

because in alt it does happen in the future

u catch my drift

so if we alter alt then we may alter our own universe

which ykw this is probably a huge reach

but the hybrids in r1

think about it

if, in our universe, we discovered hybrids before it happened in alt

then it would make sense it would bleed into their world and happen earlier right

my question is what happened to the prisoners and warden in alt

also this completely opens up the possibility of actually seeing a mom in r3c1 if everything (that shouldn't be happening) is happening earlier in alt

[twilit girder]

r3b2 had a mom though

🤔

[stone vine]

no

not that i man

mean

so in r3c1

theres a pmom scream behind a charger door filled with sacks

mom sacks correct, but no mom?

weird right

in r3d1 a mom seemingly appears out of nowhere

[twilit girder]

i dont member ngl

[stone vine]

well if were back in time

guess who might still be there

the mom that went from r3c1 to d1

and considering we might already have "discovered" a mom at that point in alt and it somehow bled through it increases the chances of seeing the mom if not more

but if that happens and we kill it then what happens in d1?

so many loopholes

i am excited

[lofty warren]

And the overload en extreme moms then? I remember them being there as well.

[solemn kraken]

No overload or extreme in R3

[stone vine]

in this context they still matter

it’s possible they stay the same, aren’t there at all, or there r more

atp infinite possibilities

it depends entirely i think on what is actually significant to the storyline

and r3c1 def is

[molten tundra]

are we gonna be coming back?

or staying there forever