gtfo-lore

[solar nova]

But I recognize them somehow.

[twilit girder]

memory alteration

cloning

those are theories too

[little dirge]

Nah bro I say they fucking blast through every floor like some god damm off brand doom Slayer squad

Ripping some parasites a new one here and there

[twilit girder]

bring me the survival rate of r2e1

i think it was about 0.1%

[little dirge]

Dunno what that is bro I didn't read it all

I just read the beginning and some other parts

I mean yeah sure they probably die at the end but who cares

They wiped a whole race of aliens

Also another thign

WHY DONT THEY JUST FILL THE HOLE UP

[twilit girder]

cuz they are all dead on the surface

[little dirge]

What?

Wdym

[twilit girder]

Thats what i meant by everyone is dead

[little dirge]

Everyone above is dead?

[twilit girder]

Thats what i believe

[little dirge]

Something happened on Earth's surface?

So wait

There were other holes?

[twilit girder]

no

but the infection spread with no cure

[little dirge]

If there was one hole with them only seeping out of that ONE HOLE in that ONE AREA

Why didn't they just CLOSE THE HOLE

[twilit girder]

greed

[little dirge]

Greed = what the fuck are you thinking have you even seen what's down there shut the god damn hole already or I'll do it for you

Take a shovel and start moving the dirt

[violet loom]

the holes fucking big

[little dirge]

I can't believe nobody in the company tried to fill it up and betray the company

Yeah I know it's big

But they could also seal it off

They don't HAVE to FILL it

They could create some sort of door

Airlock or somn

Which can't be opened

[twilit girder]

ngl, there is alot of plot holes in there too

R5D1 is a huge plot hole

[little dirge]

I mean yeah they would probably eventually dig out by accident

And start rampaging some towns as the parasite seeped out of the hole flying with the wind and spreading over cities

Also what is R5d1

[twilit girder]

if you met that thing in R5D1, you would understand why i call it a plot hole in my theory

[little dirge]

WHAT'S R5D1

[twilit girder]

im not spoiling

have fun looking it up

man i miss doing that mission speedrun style

either 2 hours mission or 20mins based on what tactic you used

[little dirge]

O o f

[past matrix]

wasnt r5d1 just the r1d1 remake

[solemn kraken]

It is

altho not sure why a p-mom is a plothole 🤔

[dusk frost]

Doesn't HSU hibernation kill infection after some time?

[cobalt mulch]

"nothing lives unless we want it to"

[dusk frost]

What's the max depth there've been rundowns to?

[harsh saffron]

1411m in R7E1 I think

[solemn kraken]

What was depth of "the nest" ?

was it like 1500m ?

[harsh saffron]

hm I'll have to look that up but that sounds correct

Can't find it rn

[cobalt mulch]

alias:int_server.1024_ciph.B014.tier5.MSL.flagged.

MSL report K-UX-DeepScan-4-7-52

Sector analysis complete. The mass extends 2,215 (+/- 372m) meters from apex
to nadir. Width estimate is 1,247 meters (+/- 208m). As suspected, it is
largely made up of the newly discovered Cretasium 77a material, and
surrounded by a thin membrane of iridium.

couldn't find any "the nest" thing tho

[twilit girder]

oh i made a mistake r6d1

[honest sky]

There was an explosion with massive energy/heat sources melting several tunnels from below up to the surface. There is evidence of this since we encounter holes other than the one we drop in(which also isn't neccessarily the same one each time).

[upbeat grail]

Hey does anyone know any good lore channels for GTFO?

[eternal talon]

Wdym, like youtube?

[upbeat grail]

Yea

[eternal talon]

Basically none exist.

[upbeat grail]

:(

[eternal talon]

If you want to get into the lore, I recommend just reading the "for dummies" document in the pins

[solemn kraken]

There was a timeline vid some time ago but I think it is outdated

don't remember who posted it as well

[upbeat grail]

Yea I saw it but kinda bad quality

[solemn kraken]

Nothing else tho. sooo have fun reading 😃

Most gtfo content is level completions/guides

[eternal talon]

In terms of lore, all the logs are archived on the wiki.

But for someone to put it all in order, it's just the two txts.

"For dummies" for pre-apocalypse

"Summary of expeditions" for post-apocalypse

[upbeat grail]

Time to invest a lot of money and start a GTFO lore channel I guess xD

[eternal talon]

That would kind of be a waste tbh

[upbeat grail]

I know I am just joking

[astral flax]

so lore is this we are working for warden and thats it thank you everyone for your attention this was good time but no more lore to be discussed

gg's

[eternal talon]

No, significantly more complicated than that

Almost everything recently has been to do with the allens.

[astral flax]

you are making it more complicated then it should be

[eternal talon]

I don't write lore for 10cc

[astral flax]

i do

[eternal talon]

X

[solar nova]

No,

I do.

[astral flax]

WE do

[solar nova]

OUR lore

[burnt wren]

Frosty, man's memeing.

[astral flax]

OUR game

[burnt wren]

Just put the coin in the "unfunny lore posting" jar and move on.

[astral flax]

ong

[toxic flower]

the prisoners are gay
theres lore

[burnt wren]

(it's a joke too, obviously)

(another coin goes into the jar)

[solar nova]

The audio is actually more likely binary instead of Morse, actually, just realized.

Wouldn't make much sense for aliens to speak in Morse code.

[torn kelp]

The Allens are a nice family, what'd they ever do?

[minor saffron]

Main Shaft of Garganta goes to 1500m, however it is mentioned they have gone below 2000m

[dusk frost]

How did Dauda end up in available operator pool if he entered HSU at some forsaken area of the facility that was overran by Sleepers?

[toxic flower]

magic

[dusk frost]

Seems like Warden did some work to get his ass and included him instead of some ex-military in the main squad for perhaps some scientific reason, same for Bishop, who is suboptimal as operative but in theory is valuable for having experienced rather long vacation at alien world

Also it needs Schaeffer to do what he does, otherwise it would have no reason to repeatedly wake him up as operative once he got into HSU until he recovered some agency

[lofty warren]

I always thought that the choice of these prisoners is more or less random. The warden wakes them up because they have the most likely chance to be succesfully awakened and not die or go crazy.

But that’s headcannon

[burnt wren]

Same way Schaeffer did - Warden doesn't care. To him people in HSUs are just resources to be used and he intends on using them in the most efficient way he can figure out (even if it means death for the operatives - as long as a very important objective is achieved).
Dauda ended up in our squad by sheer chance, same as everybody else.

Now as for why its always us 4 - there are 3 main possibilities.

Possibility 1 - the boring one - is that Warden tries to keep unit cohesion by making pre-determined squad sets and have same people deploy together. Working with different people each mission could prove suboptimal, but always working with same squad that you know, got used to and can predict what each of you are thinking is very useful for quick tactical thinking and teamwork.

Possibility 2 - the very boring one - he just assigned them to a team. That's it. Literally just "i said so, and so it is".

Possibility 3 - canonically our squad beat every expedition with Prisoner Efficiency first try without any casualties. This is an amazing feat considering how brutal some of the levels are on 1st blind attempt. Warden had to notice and just rolled with it.

However we have evidence to suggest that Warden does not care for human element of the operation, he just sends his drones down and they must get shit done or die, its that simple to him.
So frankly Possibility 2 is the more likely one. The rest assume a certain level of understanding of human interworkings and from what we observed - Warden just does not give a fuck being a soulless UI and all that.

[dusk frost]

Dauda's presence implies that his HSU was recovered from whichever hole it was stationed at, most likely by another squad. If Warden didn't care about contents and wanted just one more soldier it is illogical to risk lives of multiple assets to secure one more.

[toxic flower]

"for my special forces team i choose a screaming american, an underused nigerian, a sexy irish and a goofy ahh englishman"
-warden

[burnt wren]

We saw the hsu movement tram system didn't we? I always assumed all hsus are just connected to that and Warden can access them whenever.

With only separate one being KDS deep vault, which Warden specifically could not access.

[dusk frost]

That's only in bulk storage, what about standalone HSUs randomly spread across the levels? From Dauda log it seems he entered one of these

[burnt wren]

Fuck knows. No way they move them by hand and I have not seen a single wheeled device made for carrying them.

There are those trucks in gardens but they are too big.

[dusk frost]

Depends on their weight. They were placed there manually to begin with, maybe with some cart-like thing

[toxic flower]

there's something ive always wondered about dauda

[dusk frost]

Wouldn't take much effort to put wheels on it's frame

[harsh saffron]

What about those things?
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/b/b4/Storage_6.png/revision/latest?cb=20210712145147

[toxic flower]

who's driving them

[burnt wren]

That could work. Completely forgot their existence.

Now imagine the HSU storage in R7B3.

The room before the finale.

How do you use that there.

[dusk frost]

Forklift would not fit the cramped layouts of some locations where HSU are. Maybe they were moved by cars of some sort indeed, but final placement looks manual to me

[burnt wren]

There's no fucking way.

Have you seen the metal that thing is made from.

[harsh saffron]

Yeah I guess some placement don't really work with that thing

[burnt wren]

Not to mention that is uses some type of liquid for stasis.

[dusk frost]

We don't know if it is fully metal or just surface plating

[toxic flower]

__
__

[burnt wren]

That thing weights like 20-30 kg just by itself.

[dusk frost]

With electronics under it

[harsh saffron]

me 🙂

[burnt wren]

You need like 3 buff men to carry one of those, at least.

[dusk frost]

Looks movable by 4 fit men to me

[burnt wren]

... There's this worrying pattern of kovac being disgustingly inefficient.

How did they ever become the super corporation boggles my mind.

[dusk frost]

And draggable by one if wheels are an option

[toxic flower]

tbh
i wonder if dauda actually remembers his past and he's just acting like he forgot
it's just the way he reacts to his log about going in the hsu

[dusk frost]

I've had a job with a glimpse inside of couple such corporations & currently working with government.

I genuinely believe there is some conspiracy inefficiency competition

Real corps and other big organisations are so bad they make Dreyfus & Kovac look competent

[burnt wren]

working with government

Well that explains it

That's one hell of a safety net

If your favorite company failing - just print more money for it, it's fine. Inflation? Social construct, what could possibly go wrong.

[dusk frost]

More like it can't bail out on itself

[toxic flower]

to me dauda just sounded like he was aware it was him but didn't want to admit it in front of them

[dusk frost]

He wasn't brined for as long as they were

[toxic flower]

perhaps

still sad that dauda is the least developed character
man doesn't even have lines the other characters have

[burnt wren]

he's Rochelle of GTFO

he's just kinda boring

[toxic flower]

i take offense to that
i like rochelle

[burnt wren]

Woods appears to be normal soldier-man, but in reality he got lots of cockroaches running through his head and you can filter all his words and actions through those and get an interesting picture.
Hackett is just himself, being all badass and smartass, the "cool mercenary" archetype.
Bishop is a nervous wreck who probably belongs here the least - he was just a guy who blackmailed the wrong person (there is an arugment for "blackmail bad" - but then again who exactly did he blackmailed?...) and he just works with what he's given, being all panicky and jumpy.
And then there's Dauda. The scientist, the white coat, the big brain egghead. Does any of it sips through his dialogue? He always sounds calm and collected because he's just too smart to panic, but that's about it. He doesn't even make any nerdy remarks.
He could be like Jimmy Neutron archetype - calling salt sodium chloride or someshit like that but we don't even have that. He just sounds and talks weird sometimes and that's the extension of his characterisation.

He could make educated comments whenever we interact with high tech staff like GLP containers, decoders, etc. He could even try to make guesses what Warden is trying to do, just for the sport of it, maybe even showing that "science above morals" side of him that we heard so much about.

But random lore dialogue bad because they ruin immersion, apparently.

Sigh

[toxic flower]

i feel bad for bishop the most

just because of how much he panicked when he got taken away

[burnt wren]

Yeah, the man knew exactly what they were doing to him and couldn't do anything about it

Hackett gave himself in willingly, Woods doesn't mind because its all for the mission, Dauda had no other choice... Bishop is the only one here against his will.

[toxic flower]

i probably feel bad for hackett the second most
i mean not defending the murdering over 20 civilians part but it's just
i think hackett wanted to feel bad but he just fucking didn't

[burnt wren]

Man should've met Jetstream Sam for consulation

He's perfect for "the only thing i know for real" lifestyle

Welp, now he has to do it until the end of his life. Not against civilians, granted.

[toxic flower]

i just kinda feel bad for all of them really
just cuz they don't remember how they got there

and woods and hackett at least refuses to believe that it was really them

well i think in hackett's case he's just denying that he willingly joined

[burnt wren]

its a combo deal for him

He has to accept that he mowed down 20 civies and didn't feel anything about it and then simultaneously accept that the other him willingly signed him up for what is effectively slavery - which is already bad on itself - but he is also now doomed to fight monsters in some underground hell for the rest of his life.

I'm amazed none of our characters attempted to kill themselves yet.

[toxic flower]

maybe they have some hope that they can escape one day?

[burnt wren]

Maybe. Schaeffer sure does. And events or R7D2 showed us that our characters don't mind helping him.

[toxic flower]

wonder how that's gonna go

[dusk frost]

Woods is there because he is one hell of a soldier, taking out how many marines again with a pump action and surviving 8 gunshot wounds

[toxic flower]

18

18 marines he killed

bro is built like menedez on bo2 💀

[dusk frost]

Warden probably likes him because he's tougher than sledgehammer. Hackett is also a good soldier, but I believe his most valued quality is psychological resilience.

[burnt wren]

Not sure warden considers psychology to be part of the picture

He probably should but i don't know

we got no evidence for that

He just gives his KSO drones orders and they follow

For all we know the KSO brainwashing thing is so good that they could do on any of us and we would be follow those orders without a flinch just like the rest

[dusk frost]

Oh he does. I think warden is actually sentient and self-aware, but limited in ways of interactions with the physical world outside, so he needs capable hands while also knowing who they are and what can be in their heads

Dauda doesn't act all scientific because he doesn't remember much, since education is memory, but 'hardware' is there and it seems that squad is slowly regaining their agency

If we assume that Warden goal is to find a solution to NAM-V it kind of needs to keep Dauda alive (since he may be one of the very few, if not only surviving scientist who did research the virus), but also needs him to regain his memories so sends him on missions with capable crew to see if something will trigger his memories back

Same with Bishop, but he's valuable to Warden for his memory-locked knowledge of alien world and whatever happened there.

[toxic flower]

i just wonder
is there any reason why they don't talk to schaeffer?
are they unable to speak to him or is that just something they didn't think about

[dusk frost]

Is he speaking through their comms of facility comms?

At very least it seems that Warden doesn't care about squad's reawakening personalities and doesn't do that extra brainwashing bit to return them back to"Roger-roger" drone state of mind that KSO grunts exhibit in logs

[burnt wren]

Based on sound design and how LOUD it is i think its facility comms. You can hear how our comms sound like when characters say commands while far away.
So unless the entire facility is rigged with random microphones - we can't talk back to him.

[toxic flower]

hm
interesting

i feel like they'd tell him to shut the fuck up at some point

[burnt wren]

Just lazy devs refusing to add some voicelines

rememeber how l4d characters would straight up have dialogue about events that happen around them?

[toxic flower]

yeah

there are ppl who have heard l4d voicelines that they never heard before even if they were playing the game since it released

where as in gtfo...
you hear the same shit over and over again

[burnt wren]

https://youtu.be/LfdJ2NIjH9s

[toxic flower]

"We stirred the fucking nest."
"Bollocks. Get ready."
"That is not a good sound."
"We have contact!"

every

fucking

[burnt wren]

made entirely out of random possible lines that can play during that moment

[toxic flower]

time

[toxic flower]

i saw a gtfo video that did this too

gtfo audio experience i think

i fucking WISH the characters were that interactive

the only time they even speak to each other is when they take fall damage

there are so many voicelines from all the characters i never even knew existed
i only know they exist cuz someone on youtube uploaded them

[burnt wren]

It is lowkey funny that this is THE ONE time our characters have meaningful interactions

Having them banter over almost twisting their ankle is always enjoyable and for some reasons this is the ONE thing they didn't cut out?

Also: watched that audio experience thing, its glorious

I fucking wish the game was like this

[toxic flower]

my teammates are screaming for help on the ground: i sleep
my teammates springed their ankle: real shit

[burnt wren]

monsters: i sleep
teammates dying: i sleep
some guy is screaming at us through facility comms (how is this not waking up the entire horde?): i sleep
Bishop almost broke his foot: "Gonna go cry to mommy?"

P stands for Priorities

[toxic flower]

lmao

characters feel really stale after hearing their voicelines for the 100th time

[hot burrow]

Yeah

[toxic flower]

i find it funny that a mod just barely makes them more interactive

[hot burrow]

So much for the "We want the characters reacting to the environment around them and making comments"

[toxic flower]

and something i heard is that they have a intensity counter or something
where they'll be yelling during combat but more quiet during stealth
however that only applies to the host which is woods most of the time
so you'll almost never hear the other characters yelling

[hot burrow]

Yeah, I saw that too

hopefully alt R2 fixes it

[toxic flower]

it's quite sad
i think the voice actors are really good at voicing these characters

especially their combat intensity
bishop genuinely sounds so terrified when he's down

[hot burrow]

Yes

[toxic flower]

and woods

best screams in gtfo

[hot burrow]

yes

I just with the devs would put in some effort for a small patch that addresses these problems

[toxic flower]

id say hackett's screams sounds more goofy if anything but it fits his character
he's essentially the comedic relief and i think it makes sense for him to show less emotion cuz he's just numb to it i guess

[violet loom]

i doubt they’ll add the unused voice lines by alt r2

[hot burrow]

probably

[violet loom]

they’ve just been sitting there for so long

if they wanted to add them they would’ve already

[toxic flower]

i really like the fact that these characters has gone through some shit that no average person would but they aren't like a generic tough guy from hollywood who never shows fear at all
they are infact still humans and they're still going on missions that would scare anyone to the bone
i just wish they were utilized more

i feel like the 2017 version of gtfo had more personality primarily because of the characters reactions to their environment

take the trailer for instance
when the alarm goes off the tone changes in them
hackett was just saying "This is good man, this is good."
then the second the alarm goes off they're more alert
you don't get that in the actual game

also in the 2017 version there was a short video introducing shadows
they had dialogue saying "I can't see them!"
and again
none of that in the current "almost finished" version of the game

also bishop had a line where he said "Creepers Jeepers I see some Sleepers"
and they also didn't add that
so sad

[violet loom]

yeah

kinda disappointing

but wtv

[toxic flower]

hoping there'll be a mod that bring back these voicelines and actually trigger them if 10c doesn't do it themselves

[burnt wren]

I experience stealth vs combat voicelines all the time

[dusk frost]

gone through some shit that no average person would but they aren't like a generic tough guy from hollywood
They are still getting some amnesia from HSU. Memory of previous encounters may indeed persist, but repressed

[burnt wren]

It literally only considers if there are awake enemies or somthing

A lonely awake sleeper will change all your commands to more loud ones

[violet loom]

i haven’t heard any of the high intensity ones yet

except for maybe woods’ but idk

[toxic flower]

i mean i do too
just only from 1 character

[hot burrow]

miss the original idea for the cocoons every day

[toxic flower]

man

[hasty socket]

What was the name of the doctor in R6DX?

[solar nova]

Stokes

Rebecca Stokes

[burnt wren]

Was she in DX?...

I swear i don't remember her speaking there.

[hasty socket]

I remember a man in DX

[burnt wren]

Are you talking about Scaheffer?

Oh, he's not a doctor.

[hasty socket]

Oh it was Schaeffer?

I thought it was someone else.

[burnt wren]

His name is Schaeffer, he is an ex pit-boss.

[dusk frost]

pit-boss is a nice title, has gachi vibes

[dusk frost]

btw are there any lore-bending effects of presumed timeline altering / contraction spotted in Alt R1?

[burnt wren]

Well, they were hinting at this BS for a while.
Most importantly with voicelines that would have 2 different variants to them that were pure chance.
R6A1 Schaeffer had different monologue.
R6B1 recording of events of the first expedition can have slightly different dialogue and Bishop completely changes his tone in different variants. In one he's the usual Bishop - sounding like he's on a verge of breakdown, in the other he's completely calm and collected.

As for what's the long term game for this Shenaniganery - no fucking idea.

Up until now we had a major plothole of Schaeffer being where he's not supposed to be. The so called "Schaeffer discrepancy". But devs are hinting that this is 100% correct and there's a reason for that. Sounds like cope to me but whatever.
There's a chance this new development will solve the puzzle. IMHO - its lazy, but its the easiest solution they have because they created the plothole in the first place.

For all we know this Schaeffer isn't actually OUR Schaeffer but some other lad from different dimension.

What else is there... I can't really think of anything interesting or something that doesn't sound batshit insane or scrubbed of the wall.

Multiverse shenanigans are shit. They introduce bazillion logistical issues that writers (all of them) are NOT ready to address or solve and creates an easy excuse to just fuck off and do whatever with basically no stakes and no long-lasting effects.
I have NO idea where are they taking this and my hopes are effectively at the floor level. Whatever they're doing - it better be even half-good.

[pearl trench]

eg. "whatever dumb thing happens it better at least be cool"

[burnt wren]

Basically. They can't make it good or make sense anymore, but it better be at least something smart or clever.

[pearl trench]

I'll be pretty happy if something blows up and hackett says something cool

[toxic flower]

i was never interested in the story for this game tbh

how am i supposed to feel immersed when the characters barely even talk

[dusk frost]

Next update: remote controlled explosives and volatile forklift cars. Alt R2: "Hackett Rise"

[pearl trench]

FORKLIFT CERTIFIED

[toxic flower]

HACKETT CERTIFIED

[solar nova]

I know they cut a huge amount of the dialogue system, but you didn't have to say it out loud.

[toxic flower]

well i did

it makes me very sad they did

[solar nova]

GTFO really always has been a bottomless pit of wasted potential.

[hot burrow]

The sad truth

[real pewter]

but then when the character start talking, everyone want them to shut up

[toxic flower]

no thats just schaeffer

[real pewter]

ask anyone playing with bots

especially with a bio tracker

i played another game that has a mod that force the character to talk more like in GTFO trailer

the first thing people do after they joined that lobby was tk the host

so the character would shut up

[toxic flower]

well i am not them
i prefer them talking more
they can peg themselves in the ass with the bat for all i care

[stone vine]

guys

this might be just

gameplay reasoning

but i noticed something in the rundown screen

these are different sizes

in different places right

and we know that alt is a different worldline/ timeline esc thing

r1 is at the beginning and r7 is at the end

might be just for decor

but possibly the sizing/ spacing of the rundowns could hint at their signifigance in the timeline and place in the timeline

theres 8 spaces

and idk if theyre doing alt r7 but i doubt that

i assume up to alt r6

so one is r8

it could also simply mean the overall size and time of the rundowns

which ig is still a bit significant

but pretty common sense info

just wondering where r8 is going to fall on here

:p

its kind of cool its like its mixing our world and their world together on a single map

also multithread processing is doing multiple processes at the same time

which we can obviously see

is happening

but also kind of hints to warden basically smooshing both worlds together in some way

they merge at some point

i assume either alt r6 or r8

dunno might see some funky like deja vu kind thing or like something aint right

we will see hmmm

also im aware i just dumped a bunch of nonsense thanks for coming

thinking about it

no

sizing doesnt make sense

considering r2 is one of the largest rundowns out

yet 2 smaller rundowns are placed after r1

meaning that either r2 takes place further on the timeline or the size means som else

would be funny if this isnt lore related

anyways im done

[past flume]

Recount. There's 8

[stone vine]

huh

did i count wrong

:(

NOOOO

well anyways that changes nothing

still dk where r8 gonna go

wait i lied

i just counted wrong r8 still goes here

oml

alt 1 - 6 is 6 and r7 is 7

r8 is 8

anyways

also makes me wonder if someone the alt rundowns are happening before r7

somehow*

we would def need more info but this i think will be confirmed thru r2 release

either its nothing or its acc som

also multithreading is allowing more than one user at the same time aswell

which is just more specific of the first def

hmmm dunno

[stone vine]

also this is pretty vague obv they’re happening before r7 but like our timeline r7 is what i mean like we know destination time is funky so like

i’m wondering if it does happen at the same time cuz destination makes things sm faster

but that wouldn’t make sense if we’re still like the exact set of bishop dauda woods and hackett in our regular world

mad confusing

wouldn’t it be funny if warden could control different world versions of us

except warden would also have had to exist in that universe so like idk there’s too many loopholes

need more schaeffer to know

it could be that he transplanted our data into the other universe and overrode the other warden

or maybe there is no other universe and we got trolled gasp

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Alternate (noun, abbreviation)
A substitute designated to take the place of another.
A replacement of equal or greater value.

Alteration (noun, abbreviation)
A modification or adjustment of something, usually to improve suitability for a particular task or experience.

actually

that might be exactly what happened

also i did listen to other levels and schaeffer is in them fs

so we know schaeffer exists from r1a1

as in he has info on us from the start

i’m so sure something really messed up might happen in r2

[stone vine]

meaning it’s probbbbbs our schaeffer

i hope they don’t go the copy and paste route from here on

want the name diversion to actually mean something

other than diverging from regular timeline

wonder if they’ll be changing other rundown names

i mean they’ll likely have to because r4 contact has so much less significance now

and they introd hybrids in r1 now sooo wonder possibility of enemy changes or new enemies

it would make sense if it was slightly altered yk

it’s like warden placed us somewhere we have to think a lot faster and there’s a lot more danger and schaeffer probs knows

thus why he’s so persistent this time

there would be no reason to send us into an alternate complex where the threat level is clearly higher other than to train us for something bigger

we’re probs gonna get pretty close to main warden objective in r8

if not discover it

it’s possible that the shift to alt happened post r8 actuslly

if we did something and failed

warden would want to backtrack and take a different approach

wonder if schaeffer will override a main objective in r8

or even in alt

idk this is all pretty heavy speculation

dunno excited to find out tho

[burnt wren]

The explanation for rundowns' screen is way easier.
They are different holes in the complex.

The holes that we drop down in? They were not digged. They are holes after a massive explosion happened in the lower levels.
Well, it wasn't an explosion... More like outburst of massive laser beams or something that just burned straight through 2000m of the complex and rock.

It made multiple holes and those are the rundowns. You can see it in the animation: when you pick the rundown - the hole you picked turns sideways then goes up to the very top and from that hole the rundown unfolds.

[dusk frost]

btw are we sure that Schaeffer's actions harm the Warden and not BIOCOM itself?

[burnt wren]

Kinda both.

BIOCOM is the baseline AI that was supposed to manage the complex.
The Warden is a virus that Hijacked BIOCOM's assets and powers and simultaneously suppresses BIOCOM itself (its still there, trying to break free).
Hendrikson hacked not into Warden but straight into BIOCOM.
Warden himself is unaffected but he now has to contest with Hendrikson for BIOCOM assets.
While BIOCOM is buried under it all, lamenting how did its' existence came down to this circus.

[toxic flower]

i hope schaeffer and henrikkson dies
it'll be funny

[raw terrace]

no why
they cool

[toxic flower]

it would be funny

[raw terrace]

nuh

:c

[pearl trench]

does anyone remember what zone the r1b2alt audio log is in

found it by accident on the first run and didn't bother remembering the location :x

[burnt wren]

B2... Many shooters one? Nope, don't remember.

I think it was a optional loot zone.

[pearl trench]

it was 17 shoved all the way in the corner zzz

[dusk frost]

To me it looks like BIOCOM isn't sentient and fights Warden back because it is classified as cyber-attack, while Warden is sentient, possibly alien AI that cannot do things directly and has to parasitically hijack existing BIOCOM framework.

Then there's a question of how much is Warden in control of and what kind of control over itself BIOCOM still retains - and which one released Schaeffer:

1. Schaeffer was released from HSU and regained his agency by sheer luck and acts independently
2. He believes that he acts independently and against Warden, but it is all Warden't scheme to break & completely subjugate BIOCOM
3. Same as second one, but he was released by BIOCOM to fight off Warden, since BIOCOM could analyse his behavior and calculate that's he's the best shot at removing or weakening cyber-parasite

[finite vine]

I think that it is almost certain they will die eventually. Mostly because they are not using hydrostasis to counteract the effects of NAM-V.

That actually makes me wonder, how long has Schaeffer been out of hydrostasis?

doesn't it take only like 2 weeks for subjects infected with NAM-V to start showing symptoms?

how is he not dead already

[toxic flower]

he's built different

[finite vine]

Also Schaeffer and Hendrickson are technically the bad guys if they are trying to disable The Warden. Which is true if The Warden really is trying to find a cure for NAM-V.

[toxic flower]

i mean tbf sending people down into the complex for dangerous missions is also fucked up
even if said people are criminals...

[dusk frost]

Considering that doing so is the only hope of humanity surviving...

[dusk frost]

Are they in contact with infected?

[finite vine]

Well there was one audio log where Schaeffer was fighting/ around sleepers.

also NAM-V is airborne, so it does not really matter.

[dusk frost]

Yes but he entered HSU after that

[toxic flower]

fair fair

i just feel bad for bishop mostly

[dusk frost]

Bishop should have released all the info he had to public

[toxic flower]

not saying blackmail is okay but it was miles less worse than what woods, dauda and hackett did

im pretty sure woods and hackett at least can be considered war criminals

[dusk frost]

Hackett didn't do nothing wrong though

[toxic flower]

legally technically not
but morally speaking he murdered over 20 civilians

[dusk frost]

He opened fire on orders from his superiors

[toxic flower]

fair

but y'know
he still pulled the trigger
not saying i don't understand why but still

[dusk frost]

And he realised he's a psychopath after that

Then decided to find a logical way to 'atone'

[toxic flower]

fair

i think woods was the worst tbh tho
dauda at least felt bad for the shit he did
but woods was like "on god i plead on god, he wanted me to kill those guys"

[dusk frost]

Woods is straight up schizo

[toxic flower]

makes sense

but i still feel bad for woods just cuz he doesn't actually believe that he did that

[finite vine]

when?

[dusk frost]

QTS-BNN-996
HearSay on. Um... I made it to KDS Deep. I didn't know what I was gonna say to the KSOs when I got here, but, they're all gone. They're not dead, they're in hydrostasis. There's thousands of them and I can't... I don't know how to wake them up. There's a terminal here but it's that BIOCOM thing and I don't know how that works. I mean, FUCK, weren't they here to protect us? It's been... seven days? Maybe more, I don't know. I still haven't eaten. When I got here, I – I'm a fucking idiot. I closed the door so they wouldn't find me and now I can't get it open. I'm stuck in here, and I'm going to starve to death. I'm so tired. I think... I think I have to get into one of those pods. Oh, fucking hell. I know what these do to you, everyone fucking knows, it's no secret. If someone ever comes to get me out, it won't be me anymore. But, fuck, I'm not going to starve to death. Fuck it. I hope you made it, Art.

[pearl trench]

nuremburg defense detected

[dusk frost]

https://coub.com/view/38hxap

afaik soldiers & low ranks didn't get punished much after war

otherwise nobody will join military out of fear of getting summarily executed if they lose

[pearl trench]

I mean
Historically that hasn't stopped them lol

[dusk frost]

Damn I need that "Bleh" GTFO version

[violet loom]

the official website says that he’s done more than that

robbing kidnapping trafficking etc

[toxic flower]

damn

the most sane englishman

[violet loom]

yeah every single one of these dudes deserved it tbh

[finite vine]

oh, I meant after he was at KDS deep. Like when Schaeffer escaped the warden and got Hendrickson free and started to talk to us.

he has been out of hydrostasis for the duration of R4-R7.

thats a long time

[toxic flower]

how long exactly

[past matrix]

well

its implied that rundowns happen real time

r4 released october? 2020

r7 released like june 2022

[toxic flower]

hm

[dusk frost]

No way he could survive 2+ years without getting back to HSU

[finite vine]

yea

i wonder if he's immune or something

or has just not been re-infected this entire time

which sounds really unlikely

but him being immune to NAM-V is even more unlikely

[toxic flower]

schaeffer just said no to the infection

[pearl trench]

what levels have people observed unannounced changes to? is it just C2 and E1?

[dusk frost]

Infection aside, where does he get food

nvm I've realised he can eat long pig from HSUs

[honest merlin]

Where is this implied?

As far as I know, the time between each rundown could be anything from a few days to several months - we don't really have a way to tell, unless there's something I missed.

[solemn kraken]

there is also the fact that time on destination goes way faster than on Earth. So in our jumps to there it might mean R6 and R7 are over the span of years

But that leaves pretty big plotholes with schaeffer talking to us tho

[honest merlin]

Does it always go faster? Could it be that it would throw the prisoners back into the past of another timeline?

[solemn kraken]

Still seems odd with the schaeffer interactions. but who knows

[honest merlin]

If NAM-V starts showing symptoms in a few weeks, then I think that all of the rundowns take place in the span of just a couple of weeks, and the prisoners might be running several missions each day.

[dusk frost]

Crew gets canned after each mission, and it's about 99% confirmed that infection cannot persist in hosts subjected to suspended animation in HSUs

[honest merlin]

But Schaeffer doesn't go back into HSUs

So if he isn't showing symptoms as of R7, it must not have been more than a few weeks since R1.

[dusk frost]

Yep. Maybe he didn't get in contact with sleepers much after emerging from HSU or wears similar protective equipment that reduces chance of infection

[honest merlin]

That would prolong the time period where the rundowns must happen, but not by much, considering that NAM-V is airborne and most likely more infectious around sleepers.

[dusk frost]

NAM-V is airborne
Well there are huge ass gas masks for a reason

[honest merlin]

True, but we don't know if it can also infect just by mere contact, not just by getting into lungs.

If we take all missions from R1 to R7, there are around 80 of them. The prisoners must be running four or five missions each day in order for Schaeffer to still not show any symptoms.

[honest merlin]

One can't really eat with a gas mask on. Drinking is possible through a special valve in a gas mask and a fitting bottle cap, but I don't think Schaeffer could go for several weeks sneaking around with an empty stomach.

Three minutes without oxygen.
Three hours without shelter.
Three days without water.
Three weeks without food.

[dusk frost]

Maybe he goes through decontamination before eating or area he's in is secure from sleepers and ventilation keeps filtering pathogen out

[honest merlin]

That's a possibility, however I do think that he is infected by now.

[dusk frost]

At least he's somewhere where he can directly pull specific people out of HSU storage

He's still in the Deep, right?

[honest merlin]

We don't really know where he is.

[wary portal]

anyone has a possible explanation for bishops mask incident

[burnt wren]

Not really.
The best I can come up with is that when Bishop was pulled back via teleportation device it somehow, by accident, pulled in two different Bishops.

Now I don't know if it pulled an entire different bishop or just the mask. But the fact that it was found jammed in some dark corner (as if someone was trying to hide it) makes me think it pulled an entire alt Bishop. I have trouble believing it just teleport there by itself, way too convinient.

[burnt wren]

He is 100% infected. Namv is the most infectious virus to ever exist - it infects through every way of spreading possible simultaneously including air, effectively ensuring eventual infection one way or another. There is not a chance Schaeffer managed to dodge it.

[wary portal]

if it does mean time travel / multiverse then meh

i don't like this whole concept of time or dimension traveling id be better if alpha sector is a whole other planet

[burnt wren]

I agree. And unfortunely that's exactly where it seems to be going. You just need to ask yourself "why the writer is giving me this information?" and it becomes clear.

That mask log goes to a notable length to explain that this mask should not exist in this complex.
It is definetely Bishops mask, but Bishop already has a mask and he has no spares. Even higher ups just started giving the guy weird looks.
To quote the log "... He stopped responding to me. Not because he has something to hide, but because he has nothing else to say..."

[wary portal]

tbh for me it doesn't

the whole game taking place in the chixulub crater
the mention of the HSUs for space travel and logs talking about extraterrestrial lifeforms which basically means alien

and r6d4 is not canon

[eternal talon]

It may be now. Previously, we were only told to "not look into it too much" and that was back in r6.

It may have retroactively been weaved back into the story.

[eternal talon]

Wrdn twitter dates. It has been a couple years... and we don't have a couple years worth of gameplay.

Though sadly we don't have dates for anything past r5,

The fact of destination 85-1 time would mean we are missing out on even more time.

E1 alone probably lasted a month

Despite us going to destination in our time for a couple minutes

[eternal talon]

Yes. Rebecca stokes mentions in one of her research logs that the time difference is exactly 85-1 seconds. Though, she also had previously mentioned grant going back in time or possibly forward. It could be explained though that she was wrong as it was before she found the exact time difference

[eternal talon]

As we have seen with the infection fog, the gas masks don't help you.

[eternal talon]

He is not. Most notably because in r7b1 we deliver a collection case directly do him and he says "got it". And there is no way that that single suction vent goes all the way down to KDS

[eternal talon]

Alpha sector? What is that?

[wary portal]

the desert place

[eternal talon]

That is destination, and it is an alien planet.

It is in the butterfly nebula, 3k light years away

Though the specific version of it that we visit is in a different plain of existence

A different world-line

It is not earth, it is not mars,, it is nowhere near our solar system.

[dusk frost]

Seems it's conditions are suitable for humans

[eternal talon]

Not really. Durant warns people to keep their masks on in the atmosphere in the very first log we find on destination, in r6b1

[dusk frost]

The atmosphere is tolerable… for short periods but I wouldn't want to spend more than five or six hours here without protection.

[eternal talon]

Yes.

Given its location in the butterfly nebula, it is prone to getting extreme radiation from its star.

Being on the surface too long would do worse than give you a sunburn

[dusk frost]

That's still better than not having an atmosphere as well

[eternal talon]

True, but I wouldn't rather have 15 different types of cancer

[dusk frost]

With shit going on in GTFO cancer would be least of your problems

[eternal talon]

Durant and his team were stranded there. They eventually starved to death.

Other than bishop, they never made it home

[serene mauve]

We might be able to assume that atmospheric pressure and/or composition is similar because our hearing isn't changed in any way when we're teleported there

could just be the game not implementing that tho

[eternal talon]

One of their logs mentions them being picked off one by one and being hunted by aliens.

[dusk frost]

Since that planet was alien colony for a while it means they are biologically fit for Earth conditions as well

[eternal talon]

Which is why the allens attempted to flee to earth when the virus and the parasite got out of control.

[burnt wren]

Inb4 the aliens are just more advanced humans who fucked up

[dusk frost]

That's rather far for closest exoplanet to flee to

[dusk frost]

That cliche would be too cringe

[burnt wren]

I agree

[eternal talon]

Given their technology, just about anywhere is 'close'. They can teleport through space and time anywhere in the galaxy

We use their technology to go back to destination, and that takes us seconds

[dusk frost]

That's a nice 'teleport' they did with dinos

[eternal talon]

Teleported near atmosphere and crashed into the planet

[dusk frost]

So much for their technology

[eternal talon]

What I'm saying is what we know as fact, as ridiculous as it sounds.

The MWP is something they created. Same as they data-cubes. They are listed as parts of the Hammerstein collection

[dusk frost]

Also if they wanted to flee the infection why didn't they go to their own planets but clean version?

[eternal talon]

We have no idea.

They might have. We don't know if the ones who went to earth was the only escape ship, so to say.

[serene mauve]

mars might be another fucked up attempt based on how similar it looks to the destination

[eternal talon]

We still have very little information about the allen species.

[dusk frost]

btw did the squad actually return back to original Earth or it can be parallel one, with very small variation?

[eternal talon]

That is a difficult question to answer, as we can't exactly know to be sure.

We don't ever revisit old levels

Even the new stuff with alt//r1 seems to be in a different world-line.

[dusk frost]

Seems that at least radio guy got Mandela

[eternal talon]

Yes, but he has never been to garganta or to our knowledge had any interaction with allen tech.

[burnt wren]

Oh btw

I heard about new state of truth log

[eternal talon]

It could be whatever is down in the inner is having an effect on the planet as a whole

[burnt wren]

Where is it? Couldn't find it.

[dusk frost]

Perhaps the technology of interdimensional travel isn't even local to whoever travels

[eternal talon]

Santonian website in corrupted folder

It's an audio log.

[burnt wren]

Curses

[eternal talon]

In the case of the datacubes alone it did seem sometimes involuntary

Team Insight lost one of their entire labs to a rift caused by one of the artifacts

Which is strange since the data cubes shouldn't really be able to do that

[dusk frost]

inb4 Warden uses timeline contraction from alien shenanigans to catch up with NAM-V/parasite spread and provide cure while there are still some humanity left

[eternal talon]

They contain things such as dimension data, coordinates, and the world lines they lock on to

The MWP requires exactly 3 to function, as seen on its world-model in-game

[dusk frost]

and then it gonna task humans to find and fix whatever is left of alien civilisation in space

[eternal talon]

It is currently sometime around the year 2064.

All of humanity aside from severe isolationist groups is projected to be dead by the year 2059

It is too late for that. On our earth, anyway.

[burnt wren]

That's what he implies.

Just go back to like 2040, give them info.

What was Bruce Willis film...

38 monkeys or something

[eternal talon]

We don't know if the mwp can send you back

It doesn't necessarily function as a time machine

It's a teleporter

[burnt wren]

Eh, multiverse is basically same shit. Just go to universe that is behind in events.

[eternal talon]

It just happens that the location we teleport to, time functions completely different at

[dusk frost]

It seems like they go back in time, merging in a way that knowledge from original timeline remains but in following timeline excavation & fuck-ups happen later

[burnt wren]

Dear lord I'm too tired to dig the multiverse stuff

It's basically deus ex machina

[dusk frost]

theoretically if this pattern can be repeated at will Warden can arrive to timeline where infection oopsie was delayed until mid 2050s

[burnt wren]

Wait. Lmao.

[eternal talon]

What is this, terminator?

Just delaying the inevitable?

[burnt wren]

Let me double down on aliens just humans shit

[dusk frost]

Kinda, not exactly backwards time travel, but reaching out to a version where this and that lead to such difference in timeline events

[eternal talon]

Humans don't have four arms

Edgar/teal log describes the allen looking like "two people stitched together"

[burnt wren]

What if... Inner sanctum is just alt dimension complex

[eternal talon]

That'd be pretty difficult for.. one human

[dusk frost]

like "Earth-69: Bishop exposed Dreyfus & SMC as baddies, public backlash caused massive delay in Garganta excavation"

[sour gust]

Is that a challenge

[burnt wren]

What if aliens didn't crash. They teleport in another universe, the one a little bit behind on time. And miscalculated by a couple million years.

[eternal talon]

It's not. Insight expeditions describe it almost like magma tunnels in composition with Many hollowed out chambers

[burnt wren]

Highly doubt it but it would be hilarious if we are just doomed to keep reporting this scenario.

[dusk frost]

Teleported into unexpected timeline where Earth orbital period is slightly different so their projected arrival point was off

[burnt wren]

Unlikely, but hey... When you introduce the fucking multiverse anything is possible.

The can of worms so big - the worms are like those from the Dune.

[dusk frost]

Worms from "Worm"

[burnt wren]

Im still worried how far they intend to take this.

[eternal talon]

Graboids are cool

[dusk frost]

Warden enters U23 body & turns into 'Golden Jesus'

[burnt wren]

For deh Emperah

[finite vine]

If it has been a couple of years then how tf is Schaeffer still alive

also how do we know that those dates are cannon. seems kinda random.

[solemn kraken]

It's kinda the official Twitter tho .....

Not saying it makes more sense that way

[finite vine]

yea that’s my point though. would the devs really wait and post these rundown stats based on when the rundowns start and end in the stories timeframe?

my point being, where is the evidence

it’s easy to say that the twitter dates are cannon. but what is the evidence/ reasoning behind thinking so?

[eternal talon]

because the dates for r2 and r3 line up perfectly with the date for WRDN looking into rise during the same time period.

only thing different is the year.. which, we obviously aren't living in the future

would be an extreme coincidence

WRDN looking into RISE while having us gather the stuff to proccess the first neonate in r3.

since the date would place it exactly at the first week of r3

which is when that happened. not before, not after

it cant have us work on repurposing rise before it knew it existed

[dry canyon]

How the fuck does the warden give apparel requisitions and gear?

Like

If Woods and co are either in HSU or the complex how does the warden give them their gear and shit

Unless prisoners actully aren’t always in HSU

And have some lounge to change their gear and get briefed before going into HSU

[burnt wren]

The only possibility is that he does it on the way back after the expedition before putting them back into hsu.
Otherwise - it's only a game mechanic.

[eternal talon]

Given prosthetic limbs, I doubt cosmetics are canon

[eternal talon]

We don't know. That's the point.

[dusk frost]

Cosmetics represent infinite number of multiverse variations we play with

[burnt wren]

Unironically a viable explanation.

[toxic flower]

then there's probably a timeline where they all do outfit swaps

me and the boys switching outfits for funsies

[dusk frost]

Considering that there is supposedly infinite amount of parallel universes - there must be one where they are catgirls

[toxic flower]

yes

femboy catgirl gtfo crew

[toxic flower]

wish we had that timeline

[dusk frost]

...or this

[dry canyon]

Made in abyss but awesome

[toxic flower]

oh mein gott

[celest pagoda]

Was thinking about this log earlier. While it being one of the aliens is plausible, I also think it could be the "enmeshing" stokes spoke of.

She mentioned the possibility on Durant enmeshing with himself, and how some artifacts appear to have done so. What if that's what that was? Some matter wave collapse bullshittery caused two people to occupy one point at the same time, melding the two together into some unholy abomination.

[eternal talon]

why would it try to attack the worker though?

it stared at him for a bit then rushed him

if i remember correctly

[celest pagoda]

Same can be said for the Allen, it had no reason as far as we know

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=be964f47904647b191d3ad6149a9228b&pm=s
I mean it wasn’t there, and then it appeared. It came from the dark.
TEALE
Like it materialized--
E105
Exactly! It materialized in the dark. From a different dimension or something.

I start looking around in the dark and I see it. This creature. Just standing there, staring at me. Breathing real hard. It was… sort of human, but its head was hung low, like it broke its neck or something. Its legs were strong, muscular, but the arms were skinny and bent. It looked like two different bodies put together… and it’s looking right at me, panting.

TEALE
What did you do?
E105
I ran. What do you think I did?
TEALE
Did it chase you?
E105
Yes. I started yelling. Werner heard me and shone her flashlight down the tunnel.
TEALE
But she didn’t see anything?
E105
No, it disappeared. I don’t know - just stopped chasing me.
TEALE
Did you ever find it?
E105
I’m not going back there. Send someone else down that tunnel. Fuck that.

TEALE
Is it possible it was human? Someone playing a joke on you?
E105
Are you fucking kidding me?

[celest pagoda]

I know the logs, but I think we could interpret the almost human quote as referring to whatever unholy creature would be made from 2 people fusing into 1

Either way, I think both interpretations are valid, we just need more info

[eternal talon]

well it isn't "enmeshing" at least,

where did you hear this? i don't remember it

since edgar talks about the entire thing appearing and dissapearing as one unit

[celest pagoda]

Heading home currently. I'll try to explain better then, but the log was from r7c3, first blood door
The log is actually in D1, my mistake. Could have sworn it was in C3

[clever niche]

Weird body proportions sounds like the subjects that the warden makes. Plus the weird things happening in the lore with extra mask and alternate timeline. So the "creature" is just a subject that found an artifact accidentally or was purposefully sent away?

[eternal talon]

its not human

was a long time before insight started experimenting

[clever niche]

We got two bishop masks so I was thinking time travel or dimensions set further in future

[celest pagoda]

https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=6bf8c73545114da2a4f77d33e5af99a5&pm=s
"This would explain why some teleported artifacts appear to enmesh with each other. Matter from different dimensions could get amalgamated or, or enmeshed as it occupies identical space-time for an instance. Chaos. Unpredictability from a predictable occurrence."

The rest of the log after that quote above does suggest human-enmeshing is possible.

[celest pagoda]

So actually, yes, it could be.

This is where I sometimes find it hard to talk with you Frostty, you shoot down other people's ideas rather quickly, even when they accept yours as valid.

[eternal talon]

why would an smc employee do anything edgar talks about the creature doing

its so unnatural

[celest pagoda]

My point is that if it was two people amalgamated into one being, its possible they wouldn't be mentally there, or atleast there would be panic brought on by pain and confusion

[eternal talon]

this would be helped greatly if we could actually see what edgar was talking about or if he gave us more info. alas

[eternal talon]

i suppose, its still strange to me, because it didn't bumrush the worker either

it just sorta stared at him for a bit.

so its not a sleeper at least

they aren't intelligent

[toxic flower]

saul goodman should be the warden

[eternal talon]

the warden is an ai.

[toxic flower]

don't care

make saul the warden

[eternal talon]

ah. not worth talking to then

what's up static?

[toxic flower]

damn

[eternal talon]

you've been typing for a bit.

[clever niche]

Just make the ai a simulated saul goodman on a tv screen

[toxic flower]

have him talk about how the prisoners have rights

despite the inhumane situations they appear to be in

[eternal talon]

honestly the wrdn couldn't care less about the prisoners.

in recent rundowns, it has actively been trying to replace us

[toxic flower]

you can't replace the hackett

for he is god

[clever niche]

Warden seems to be a more reasonable interpretation of an AI that doesn't act like a human, instead calculating and sending us on missions without conversing or anything. It probably doesn't make sense for it to be "trying to replace us" if we still have ANY use

[eternal talon]

it's been having us create units in rundowns 2, 3, and 7.

these units are completely invisible to sleepers, aside from scouts as was the case with u22

[clever niche]

More units is better than less units, besides the subjects still seem to have mental problems or can't be mass produced.

Though sending our team in with guns seems less appealing if it can send in the invisible team

[toxic flower]

where's the fun in being invisible

[dusk frost]

I have a theory that he wants the unit for himself as a proxy

Since pod-baby synapses are altered and allow read/write of data

[clever niche]

We got implants and we work for the warden as a proxy though. Up until schaeffer and Henrikson start tricking it

[dusk frost]

Not directly

[clever niche]

He's constantly updating our objective stack for things, the only difference is that subjects are raised by him while we were recruiting by kovac and mind wiped

[dusk frost]

Imagine if Warden being a parasitic entity can only express itself within the framework of standard BIOCOM commands, i.e. it can only build stack out of pre-existing blocks and cannot order prisoner to draw a dick on a wall, because there is no definition of 'dick' in BIOCOM framework

If it is indeed sentient such limitation and reliance on 'contractors' to do what it wants must hinder it's efficiency by a lot

Considering the effort it took to make just one such unit - it's unlikely Warden gonna use it for blazing stuff while it has thousands of expendable prisoners

Also somehow there are no signs of other expeditions? If Warden really wouldn't care whether operatives live or die, it would've sent them into expedition by hundreds and go full Stalingrad on sleepers

[stone vine]

its likely for gameplay reasons but yeah its funky because the only sign we see of things happening previously are schaeffers actions

and that only makes sense because schaeffer is a vent rat

does the lockdown go back into effect

like are doors on a timer

possible kind of thing

or it notices the override eventually

but then again no dead prisoners unless they have turned into sleepers

which actually makes plenty of sense because we never "die"

we all go down

and once we are cut off from cortex/ warden we likely lose whatever immunity the hsu gave us

and whatever warden provides us with

we know warden can limit our effects based on the booster system

asides from that there are no open lockers or anything or signs of people which basically implies we were there first

which still isnt true because of old prisoner logs lmao

def just a gameplay thing but attention to detail like open lockers and signs of past expeditions would be nice from the devs

[dusk frost]

Even if they did turn into sleepers there should be clutter from them

[stone vine]

exactly

theres signs but no proper signs yk

[dusk frost]

Masks, clothes, empty mags, dropped weapons, other signs of fighting

Unless sleepers tidy up every time

[stone vine]

yeah i think just devs not putting in that kind of detail

we can asssuuuume

lore wise that would be a thing

the only thing that makes sense is lockdown reactivating after prisoners wipe

[dusk frost]

However there are dead and half-mutated bodies of non-combat personnel

[stone vine]

yes

so its def a detail issue

then again...

r4d2 for example kind of proves that sort of wrong

because why would warden still need to access a threat

[dusk frost]

Perhaps Warden can only use 4 dudes from main crew and rest are still locked behind BIOCOM captcha it cannot solve

[stone vine]

unless the other prisoners are actually so horrible at their jobs only we can get that far bahahaha

[stone vine]

dont think so because other prisoner transcripts exist

but there has to be some wacky reason were so special

[dusk frost]

Aren't they pre-lockdown?

[stone vine]

nope

the ones under the uh

levels

that show old prisoners like saying stuff in the levels

also schaeffers group is proof

he was a part of a squad under warden but the others died

[dusk frost]

Did he have a squad?

[stone vine]

yeah

he was in a group

becuase in r4 he was talking abt how he escaped n stuff

[dusk frost]

Ah yes found it

[stone vine]

🦧

[stone vine]

17 13 44.211 -37 06 15.94

did anyone already figure that the biocom warden is hacking into is here^

both biocom -29$525GVTHR2%456FS

sorry

then someone stated this under

Using this as coordinates we find ourselves in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, with seemingly nothing around. However, using these coordinates in space, lands us in the middle of the Butterfly Nebula (NGC 6302). As to why we got these coordinates, there are only theories right now. One of them draws a connection to the new place we get transported to in Rundown 6 since it doesn't appear to take place on any planet in our solar system.

i was copy pasting it into google to see if anything matched

well looks like we have more info on what this is teehee

this is log GLD-4R4-XU5.LOG btw

well hmmmmm

the general biocom id also seems to be this

this is tm info

so warden can somehow access other biocom systems in other universes with this biocom id????

i still think it means something because GLD-4R4-XU5.LOG has a biocom override into coordinates for what i think is alt (or destination)

i wonder

does warp travel work off of a coordinate system

is it possible that we use the same kind of destination warp travel to get to alt?

maybe warden didn't need to do that, it just input coordinates into a warp travel machine and sent us there (which would explain how we and schaeffer got here without having anything changed) and biocom is one system meaning that i would say this is an intentional alternative complex built

then again this could alsooooo be destination coordinates

but i dont think the timing matches up

The prominent dark lane that runs through the centre of the nebula has been shown to have an unusual composition, showing evidence for multiple crystalline silicates, crystalline water ice and quartz, with other features which have been interpreted as the first extra-solar detection of carbonates

this is something off the wiki

this sounds like the artifact structure a bit doesnt it

heres somewhat artifact structure based off of egg

cretasium 77a: 38.60%
oxygen: 27.34%
silicon: 12.12%
aluminum: 5.13%
iridium: 3.32%
sodium: 3.26%
calcium: 2.57%
potassium: 2.10%
magnesium: 2.03%
titanium: 1.14%
hydrogen: 0.93%
phosphorous: 0.77%
carbon: 0.54%

it could be very possible alt is something that was discovered through destination

or was another facility intentionally created :P and we are actually somewhere in destination in a facility

alright so basically extrasolar indicates outside of the suns orbit, so out of our solar system

something else i noticed is that if this is extrasolar (p sure it is) then its the most likely place where destination would be

because the butterfly nebula is the first detection of extrasolar carbonates

though that was disputed apparantly but its undecided so still holds

then again gtfo universe could be way funkier because cretasium aint even a real thing so

all ik is it def came from that meteor lmao

also schaeffers posting says suggested

soooooo probs other complexs

anyways im done ranting bs that makes no sense bc we have limited info

;P

[eternal talon]

No, since those are coordinates for the allen planet, destination.

[eternal talon]

I don't remember this ID.

[eternal talon]

This is correct, though by this point it is all but confirmed it is destination as we have not traveled to other planets.

[eternal talon]

I doubt it. Even if the wrdn is alien, it is still restricted by the human made tech that is the biocom network

[eternal talon]

Yes. The matter wave projector requires 3 data cubes to function (as seen on its world model). And this is pure speculation, but in my opinion it is most likely that two of the three individually controlls the 1) the coordinates in relative space, 2) the world-line it is transporting the user to

We don't know what the 3rd data cube is for to my knowlege.

But it appears the mwp cannot do local teleportation. Any and every time it has been used, it has also jumped world-lines.

[eternal talon]

There is only the one garganta down in the yucatan peninsula in mexico.

R6d4 are alternate world-line earths of the same place we visit with the corrupted data cubes.

[eternal talon]

The coordinates we have are also in the middle of a star. So...

I'd take it with a grain of salt, and the general meaning is just in that nebula

[eternal talon]

It is way harder than you think to build things or do anything on destination. 1+1/2 weeks of earth time is 2 YEARS on destination

It's a miracle they managed to build anything on destination at all

Assuming you have a crew actively building, you'd need to be teleporting food and water non stop every minute 24 hours a day

[eternal talon]

Schaeffer posting what

[eternal talon]

Realistically even if it is different world lines of earth, it would still be the same garganta. If it wasn't, when you teleport you would be instantly embedded in rock thousands of meters below the surface and would suffocate to death.

Assuming teleporting you into already existing stone doesn't tele-frag yourself.

[stone vine]

yeah that’s what i was saying

i was thinking it may be alt because the butterfly nebula doesn’t exactly match up with destination timing

but it would most likely be destination

[stone vine]

schaeffer has an eval sheet

on the sheet it says suggested posting: garganta

meaning there is more than one complex

we also know this to be true because of destination

[stone vine]

someone got the crossed out parts

it’s on a reddit post

and yes that’s it

[stone vine]

yes that makes sense

[stone vine]

but they did build there

sure it may have been hard

but who’s to say they didn’t figure something out

[stone vine]

this is all pretty heavy speculation on my part but

what i’m thinking possibly

are 3 things

alt is caused because of destination and was discovered previously thus how warden managed to attain coordinates

thru biocom

alt was somehow a man built facility on destination

which would be rlly confusing to explain

tbh

i see that

orrrr

alt is a semi man built more so universe created thing

like they managed to get there previously

but it would have to be warp travel that got them there because otherwise the schaeffer stuff wouldn’t yk add up

then again that means warp travel can go like extremely far

and also another reason i’m saying these coordinates may be alt and not destination

destination is huge, it has many destinations haha

so what coordinate is this specifically for?

i’d say we have to go to destination from alt to figure shit out

because i’d say destination links our complex and alt complex

and ik these lead to the butterfly nebula obv but they’re still specific coordinates so what’s the significance yk

mmmm not sure

i’m going to look at all the logs when i have time

oh wait u were saying they needed 3 sets right and this is only 2 🦧

but why would warden need general area coordinates for a place we’ve already been

also the biocom number i showed is the id

it’s the access key to get into the system it’s what warden uses

[past matrix]

#the-warden is partly canon

its never been specified how canon but its more likely the dates and the "transmissions" are canon, whereas the prisoner number is not

[heady orchid]

wait, which level is it from

[eternal talon]

R6DX

[heady orchid]

extended?

[eternal talon]

Yes

[heady orchid]

i finished r6 but haven't played it after

oh ok, ty

[loud lintel]

Hey in the new rundown did more lore stuff get added or no

[harsh saffron]

Yup, there are new logs

[loud lintel]

Is there one on every level also is there a particular pattern to where the logs are located? (I know their in terminals but checking every terminal sounds like a pain

[pearl trench]

B2 zone 17 has one shoved in a really annoying corner

[harsh saffron]

There isn't one in every level but if they have them, it tends to be more than 1.

Not really a pattern that is super obvious. If you want I can give you the locations tho

[pearl trench]

D1's are all in side zones yeah? Or at least mostly?

[solar nova]

All 3 of them are at the end of each resource path.

[harsh saffron]

Yeah I think at the end of each side zone

[pearl trench]

Everything kinda blended together doing the whole alt in one sitting

[lilac island]

I remember theres a site with all the logs in the game recorded. Wonder if anyone have the link ?

[eternal talon]

several.

https://santonianindustries.com/
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Logs

[white moth]

I am back from my hiatus time for mroe GTFO lore

[eternal talon]

What would you like to know.

[white moth]

im working on writing a video for Schaffer Lore and what hes trying to do. Im getting a rough draft then i will be asking some questions

[stone vine]

he likes long walks on the beach

[late raven]

mighty big complex garganta to include beaches inside

[white moth]

I need some help, I know that there is a voice log that says Dauda made the Sleeper virus

but at the same time im reading a log taht says the Parasitidae Garganta are Extraterrestrial in origin

is that not the same thing as the sleeper virus?

[late raven]

dauda did not create the virus. he did a bunch of experiments with it if I remember correctly

[white moth]

does anyone know what Project Insight is? like i understand its some sort of group within Dreyfus Indsutries (possibly under SMC) and they are Advanced Research and Development thats absically all i know about who they are

[white moth]

new question is the NAM-V the same thing as the sleep virus

i cant remeber

[stone vine]

Dauda worked as a lab worker for Dreyfus/ Santonian (dreyfus overruns the whole virus thing while santonian is the mining company that covers it up), so like Biggan said he was using the virus for testing in the lab. The virus came from the meteor that killed the dinos and is the reason we are in chixulub. Its some sort of fungus/giant biomass thing that basically got shoved deep into the crater on impact and as they dug down further it started infecting workers and spread to the surface. Its existed since the meteor hit and would infect people even in Aztec times when earthquakes would occur and cause the virus to leak out.

[stone vine]

Yes

Its basically a pandemic

Lots of sleepies

[white moth]

okay

so basically it spread to the world then everyone became sleepers?

[stone vine]

not entirely sure

[white moth]

sorry its been like a year since i did anything lore related

i should go watch my own video lmao

[stone vine]

we dont have a ton of info on overworld

other than its a pandemic

[white moth]

is dauda in Project Insight?

[stone vine]

uhm im not entirely sure i can check really fast

i havent looked tm into that

[white moth]

yeah im trying to find out because if so then i can add into my video about his testing but i cant find anywhere that says he is

[stone vine]

i would say no

looking at it dauda wouldnt be a part of that

[white moth]

why not?

wait

yes he is

cause he sent a report to Mr Lockwood

aka overseer of Insight

[stone vine]

lemme see im not sure if im looking at the right thing

[white moth]

`D-Lock Block Cipher
alias:int_server.1024_ciph.tier5.phys_ops/DLockwoodA074.flagged

Mr. Lockwood,

You requested an update. Here it is.

Through my experiments, I have discovered the virus has a multipronged attack strategy, which not only increases the R0, but also allows it to be highly contagious in multiple environments. Infected individuals can release pathogens and fomites through any bodily fluid. The virus has been observed in fluids extracted from anywhere on the patient - sweat, blood, saliva, bile, urine, even in the aqueous and vitreous humors. The virus can also survive for several weeks while airborne or on surfaces. In my control tests, subjects exposed to locations that had been contaminated up to 4 weeks prior to exposure still contracted the virus. This was also true ob subjects immersed in various solutions (Itried fresh water, salt water and several synthetic oils and polymers). 85% of the subjects contracted the virus within a few hours. The remaining 15% who survived other exposure methods contracted the virus when exposed to a vaporous environment heavily dosed with infected fomites.

The parasite that we had previously attributed as the primary carrier of the virus is, in my opinion, merely another victim of this remarkable lifeform. The only difference is the virus does not mutate the parasites, rather it prolongs the life cycle of the parasite indefinitely. The relationship is symbiotic. The parasite carries the virus to new hosts, and the virus helps the parasite live for an extended (and currently unknown) perios. Perhaps indefinitely.

The virus is remarkable. It appears to have been perfectly designed to infect regardless of the circumstances. When it finds a host, it induces coughing, sweating, sneezing, and ultimately violent attacks to draw blood and saliva. Without a host, it can transfer itself through any medium. The only test I have not been able to perform yet is in the vacuum, but I am planning such experiments next weeks as soon as I receive new subjects from Mr. Piros.

Research continues.

Dr Abeo Dauda A153`

this is what im going off of

[stone vine]

im on something saying insight is some sort of like assault force

they were fighting of sleepers

[white moth]

meh

they are RnD

from my understanding

[stone vine]

dauda could of been a part but i doubt he did anything crazy

[white moth]

when they found the big slap thing

at teh bottom of the complex

well before that actually

Project Insight was created to do research and experients on Artifacts

stuff like the matter wave projector andother things

then when they foudn the big giant metor slab rock thing

Kovac and Project Insight put everything under high security lockdown

[stone vine]

i see

[white moth]

and created the KDS deep

and did more experients like when bishop got tped to whereever

and also when the virus broke out

[stone vine]

tped to arizona

[white moth]

its confirmed that we were fighting the werid flying thing in arizone?

arizona*

the big clam thing

i forget what its called

[stone vine]

big boy destination squid

yes

[white moth]

oh

damn

[stone vine]

its name is like kraken or som

its squidward in the files

dunno

[toxic flower]

squiddy

[white moth]

where is it stated that they went to arizone

i wanna find this

[stone vine]

yes

destination is arizona

(im kidding its not arizona its in space)

[white moth]

ok

[stone vine]

they tped like rlly far

apparantly to the butterfly nebula

supposedly?

[white moth]

the what

[stone vine]

idk man

some craxy

out of our universe

nebula

[white moth]

so like a different universe arizona?

[stone vine]

that has a butterfly kind of structure

idk man it looks like arizona

basically what i see when i go outisde

[white moth]

so is it actually said to be arizona?

[stone vine]

no im kidding

[white moth]

BRUH

you cant do that

[stone vine]

I THOUGHT IT WAS OBVIOUS

[white moth]

NO

[stone vine]

i forgot this is a serious lore channel

i am sorry

forgive me please

[white moth]

I HAVENT DONE LORE IN LIKE A YEAR

its fine

[stone vine]

ODMJAIWHJDIOWAD

me either tbh

[white moth]

just glad i didnt put it in the video

lmao

[stone vine]

too lazy

to look at new shit

i just kind of look things up as a i go

[stone vine]

put it as a joke

its funny

more funny = more views

[white moth]

bet

[stone vine]

also btw my explanations are pretty bland so id just take what i say with a grain of salt and go grab the specifics

but ill give any general ideas for questions

what lore are you doing specifically?

[white moth]

Project insight would then begin a test using the matterwaveproject which ended up in teleporting the entire lab and personell, within the radius of the blast, to an unkown location.

This location would be known to the Lore Community as "Literally Just Arizona"

It would be some time until the Kovac Secuirty Officer that was present at the event would return with the matter wave projector, by himself.

[stone vine]

LOL

good stuff

[white moth]

man i wish i kept making videos on lore i should make my other half of the rundowns explain i only did 1-4 and it got mad views but i wanna get back into it but like nobody cares since everyone else made videos on it

[stone vine]

wait

whats ur yt

[white moth]

idk i probably still will then make a brand new video once RD 8 comes out

my name

[stone vine]

gotta go check ive probs watched em

i used to sit

and watch them all

every lore vid i could find for fun

LMAO I HAVE

[stone vine]

yes

thats a good idea

make a vid on alt lore and how it connects to rundown 8

[white moth]

problem is its like atleast another half year away

GOOD IDEA

[stone vine]

the entire point of alt is its like an alternative universe that ties into ours

sometime before r8