gtfo-lore

[eternal talon]

he is splicing them with sleeper DNA, NAM-V, or something, to try and make them invisible to sleepers

[lilac island]

Ah, that was when they burned the place down.

[eternal talon]

and given schaeffer's logs in r6c2, it seems to be working.

[lilac island]

Okay

So we're looking for a way to be invisible to the sleepers but we have no cure for NAM-V

[eternal talon]

the wrdn is.

[lilac island]

Yes, the AI

[eternal talon]

our squad is most likely already doomed.

[lilac island]

Oh yes

[eternal talon]

once infected with nam-v, there is no cure.

[lilac island]

Yep

[eternal talon]

and we are practically swimming in it with infection fog

[lilac island]

Schaffer was clearly the person from A1 saying that they could escape though

[lilac island]

Huh, i thought that but there was a theory going around saying that it was bio mess

[eternal talon]

i don't recall what you mean.

[lilac island]

Compare the voice from r6a1 and r7a1 and they sound the same

[eternal talon]

fog can't be biomass really. it is simply nam-v particulates densely packed in the air.

[lilac island]

trying to make the prisoners remember who they were and to get out

[lilac island]

Aha, thought that was the case

[eternal talon]

well yes, it is schaeffer. i was refering to "saying that they could escape"

there is nothing to escape to.

[lilac island]

i would have to revisit it, it's been near a year since i played the game

[eternal talon]

the surface has been dead for... at minimum 5 years.

[lilac island]

or at least a few months

[eternal talon]

if you are interested in the lore, i highly recommend reading my 'for dummies' doc in the pins.

[lilac island]

Alright, just going off of conversations i had last january, feburary

[static shadow]

SANTONIAN INDUSTRIES SITE HAS NEW LOG

unlocks in 1 day 11 hours

[eternal talon]

noted.

ooooh

its an audio log.

[drifting island]

How could you know that, unless,,,
Frostty is from the future!!

[eternal talon]

it says .aud

[drifting island]

ah

[past matrix]

didnt we start getting logs like 10? days before r7

[drifting island]

well i tried

[static shadow]

10 days before announcement i think

or before timer

[past matrix]

wacky

i wonder

r3c1 and r5d1 never got any lore explanation whatsoever

the only "lore" that r3c1 had was that there was a "geological mismatch" iirc, and canonically the prisoners noticed this as well

so i wonder if they'll ever explain what happened with these areas, or if they'll dive deeper into the geological mismatch shit

[eternal talon]

geological mismatch?

[past matrix]

I don't know the exact terminology that was used, but it was something like a geological mismatch

[harsh saffron]

"Unexpected geographical data mismatch, area deemed unstable."

[eternal talon]

its live

state of truth

https://santonianindustries.com/

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

oh no

weird allen shit, different universes merging.

mr state of truth is having memories from different timelines

and this guy has actually zero to do with kovac, smc, insight, or any or the other

so what the fuck

great merida quake of april

but he remembers it clearly happening in march

is an example he gives

its been happening for the "last few months"

but gives no date

obviously the world hasn't ended yet since he is talking with other people about it

...

** However, during the retreat, the operative (who had naturally assumed command by this point) diverted the quad through a security door, ordered a team mate to close the door, then sealed the door using PolyFoam. PolyFoam is a construction material used by the mining industry to temporarily secure structurally unsound bulkheads.

The operative should have had no knowledge of this material, or of the tool that dispenses the foam, and yet they improvised. The only way the operative could have known about the foam is from observation during a previous mission, which in turn means that despite a period of hydrostasis (I'm still trying to find out how long they were in stasis between missions) the operative remembered knowledge of the foam and improvised a new use for it.

It doesn't stop there. On a later mission, a Sigma gen from a different quad exhibited the same behavior. He secured a bulkhead door using a PolyFoam gun he found in a storeroom of mining equipment. This not only indicates a peri-stasis behavior continuance, it implies an unknown method of trans-operative communication. The only way for that behavior to have passed between KSOs is through BIOCOM, and BIOCOM only passes on new behavior after it has been approved by us.**

it might not have been biocom

https://tenor.com/view/wave-alien-alien-wave-funny-gif-20445994

[eternal talon]

cd corrupted

read k94-5er-esf

interesting log, but doesn't tell much other than 'weird allen shit happening with our own world-line'

[crimson night]

It's interesting he's citing the Merida earthquake.
Few months ago, we talked about the date of the Merida earthquake being wrong in a log:
The host said it happened in March in one of the lastest SoT logs, but according to a news article it was in April.

We came to the conclusion that the news article had the wrong date and it was simply a mistake, but in a weird way it kinda... make sense now?

The discussion from august I'm referencing to : #gtfo-lore message

[eternal talon]

calle said the reuters news wire was wrong.

he asked adam

that the correct date is 3/15/2049

[crimson night]

Yes, it was previously 4/15/2049, and then was corrected to 3/15/2049 after Calle asked Adam.
And yet according to this new log, every news article reported the quake to have happened in April:

[HOST]
I recall very clearly that the Merida quake happened on 3/15/2049, that date is precise and clear in my mind, and it's WRONG! The quake happened in April! It's in all the papers, all of the reports, all of the books: The Great Merida Quake of April 2049.

Hence why in a way, the uncorrected version also made sense.

[celest pagoda]

THE CONTINUITY ERROR WASNT AN ERROR W H A T.

Holy shit

What a log to wake up to

[eternal talon]

R1 never had any logs initially.

This may require a hunt when it drops.

[celest pagoda]

Man insight really fucked up, they've done stuck the space-time continuum into a blender and put that shit on HIGH.

[eternal talon]

Allen tech is basically magic

[faint river]

what is lore ?

[dull crest]

👀

[forest lotus]

mid

[forest lotus]

i know how gtfo will end guys

[ocean lake]

Markiplier himself assists us in the final mission

[forest lotus]

no thats the after credits scene

markiplier will be the warden

and he was doing this to turn people into masochists

and it worked

the best social experiment of the 2000s

[dull crest]

Amen!

[snow grove]

shit! I just suddenly wrote cd ,, and it shows some hidden stuff I suppose!!!!

[eternal talon]

its not. that is the stuff that was revealed prior to r7's release.

[snow grove]

ah I see, I wasn't expecting that ,, to work... it usually shouldn't, but good to know

[past matrix]

i wonder if they'll add a ton or just a few

like r2 for example I remember there was only like 1? log per sector (I think d1/d2 were the only outliers because d2/e1 were extension)

so i wonder if they'll only have the 5/6 logs in r2 or if they'll add 1 or 2 per expedition like they've done with the new rundowns

[eternal talon]

if i remember correctly there was only 1 log at all in r2

[past matrix]

there were several

it all made up one big email

like how in r3, there were two pieces of a state of truth log

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LfxwBTnVAUDqdVSEwP6qx-22q6vVmwGQARmYn8SGItc/edit?usp=sharing

here's a presentation I had made back then (later got updated for r3)

[dull crest]

Adam, our Game Writer, and Simon on the same stream? Join us in 10 minutes. Not talking specifically GTFO, but Doom which Adam penned. https://www.twitch.tv/10chambers

[native shell]

D-Lock Block: unauthorized access... logging

WRDN: override

ACCESS -BIOCOM -29$525GVTHR2%456FS

Instantiating BIOCOM.net(CLI)...

ready:_

authorized…

connecting...

\Root?_

\Root\RETURN query “Alt” -root -lang -all -dict

Queries found (2)…

Alternate (noun, abbreviation)
A substitute designated to take the place of another.
A replacement of equal or greater value.

Alteration (noun, abbreviation)
A modification or adjustment of something, usually to improve suitability for a particular task or experience.

[hot burrow]

@native shell dab me up

🫲

[burnt wren]

Yep. Alt rundowns will be parallel universe ones.

[static shadow]

[topaz flare]

ah shit its D4 all over again

were about to see 4 other giga chads first trying every level

[edgy hearth]

Hmm

Inb4 r8 is a crossover

All the prisoners from alt dimensions start ganging up on the sleepers

[hot burrow]

We will finally be able to see North

[burnt wren]

That actually would be hilarious... Mass invasion of the variants, storming the complex like an army.

[edgy hearth]

It really would

4 giga chads can first try an e tier

Imagine like 16

cowabunga it is

Somehow manage to clear out the e level

[celest pagoda]

Assuming the alt rundowns are cannon in some way as previously stated, you gotta wonder how exactly this will fit into OUR current timeline as it has been. If we go back to r1 just to start again, would we not end up in a infinite cycle? There has to be something else going on. A reason we go back (or more correctly a reason we jump timelines/dimensions/etc)

I assume Schaef and Henny have something to do with it, I can't imagine the warden wanting us to do it over if it has what it wants up to this point.

I can't imagine Schaef and Henny know fully of the timeline/dimensional shifts and changes. I feel a big twist is coming

[shut mountain]

I mean you know what they say, history goes in spirals. It is bound to repeat itself, but on another layer

[unborn steppe]

Well the Warden knows everyone is infected so maybe it purposely created the cycle to give humanity a chance. Otherwise even if the prisoners survive expeditions they'll eventually die from the virus. Hydrostasis can only protect them for so long. If Schaef knows about it he strikes me as the kind of guy that would end it rather than help create it. Remember, he wants to GTFO

[honest whale]

has it been established what the injection means when we boot the game? are different minds being injected into different bodies?

[real pewter]

i think we injected the fluid in B1 into us

[honest whale]

ah interesting, just starting the rundown so itll be cool to see whats new

[real pewter]

in B1, we need a fluid case call collection case or something, you need that fluid injecting into us everytime the warden want to wake us up

if the warden didn't use that on us everytime he wake us up, we'll go crazy

[finite vine]

A probe/ program is injected into the neural cortex that communicates with our brain when we are in hydrostasis, which is how we can "look" at the rundown screen when we are asleep.

[honest whale]

very very cool

i love coming back with a new rundown and finding cool stuff

[finite vine]

the main probe is already injected though because it is used to keep us asleep. It is called the NRV probe (if you look at one of the expedition completed screen, there is an NRV probe reaction status on each prisoner)

there are no logs that describe any of this, but it makes sense with a little research

NRV Probe probably stands for Nucleus Reticularis Ventralis Probe, which is the part of the brain that controls respiratory rhythm, motor activity, and the sleep/ wakefulness of the body

[honest whale]

ty for the info thats awesome

[eternal talon]

more than crazy, our brains would literally begin to melt inside our skulls.

complete collapse, as per schaeffer audio log

[carmine tendon]

I think it's possible that it may be related to the latest State of Truth audio log in santonian website, i guess?

[ocean lake]

imagine what it smells like when a mother gives birth to many babies

[hot burrow]

Down bad

[ebon kraken]

Sir you are disgusting

[drifting island]

no no, he's got a point

[pearl trench]

My guess is the dimensional instability we've been both experiencing and causing since last rundown hasn't been great for reality.

[finite vine]

I still wonder how that parallel dimension stuff is going to tie in with the aliens and nam-v

[pearl trench]

For sure... So far everything nasty has been the same, at least as far as we can tell. The walls of shmeat in E1 are a point of interest imo, since we have yet to see any before teleporting at least once.

My favorite crack theory is that we never actually went back to our home dimension in CHAOS, just a very similar one

[polar blaze]

sorry if this has been said before but since the State of Truth log date being different was on purpose, wouldn't the Schaeffer discrepancy also technically not be a discrepancy?

cuz if the date on the State of Truth log could be changed, why couldn't Schaeffer have also put himself into hydrostasis outside of KDS Deep instead of locking himself inside there and putting KDS Deep into lockdown

[burnt wren]

The change is too drastic. Things being said in a log is not the same as a person teleporting around the complex into places he shouldn't be in.

Especially since we currently don't have a reason to believe that its what happened. All rundowns up to this point are supposed to be a direct continuation of each other with small discrepancies like certain voice logs being different.

[polar blaze]

fair point

[lilac island]

guys is the charger scout a femboy or not

because scouts are meant to be females and chargers are males

so what is the charger scout

[sonic citrus]

Its a shadow the hedgehog furry I think

[topaz flare]

DR.STOKE!!! (R1B1)

[cobalt mulch]

bishop had desync and had an extra mask after checkpoint? 🙂

[past matrix]

@solar nova is there anything different in the expeditions themselves lorewise?

so for example like

is there schaeffer dialogue

[solar nova]

Not so far.

[past matrix]

or are the mission descriptions different

[solar nova]

Uh, didn't read.

[past matrix]

just checked, they are different but they dont give any wacky lore or anything

[past matrix]

what did it say?

[solar nova]

Funni noises, will upload later.

when it won't destroy everyone's ping.

[eternal talon]

Allen?

Or human

[solar nova]

Allen-sounding

[eternal talon]

POG

https://tenor.com/view/pog-gif-18640695

[eternal talon]

what level? i wanna hear this shit.

[solar nova]

B2, very easy to reach solo.

Second zone, back of first room on the left

tucked away

[eternal talon]

i'm going to door cheese the entire rundown for the lore like i always do, it will be easy solo regardless

[eternal talon]

gotcha

[solar nova]

2 logs B1 1 log B2 so far, checking all terminals.

[solar nova]

https://youtu.be/XcP6fMaKdlI

Hmmm

State of Truth REAL!?

[eternal talon]

lel. i saw that too

[past matrix]

so, so far we've learned:
-A bishop mask from another "timeline"(?) appeared after bishop got teleported back from Destination
-the sleeper mutations are caused by multiple parasites doing wacky shit to them and shuffling genes
-the aliens who were in Garganta may be trying to communicate with us

[eternal talon]

we already knew 2 from r7e1 log.

[honest sky]

Which log? I wanna read

[eternal talon]

r7e1 dauda 'RESEARCH' log.

[topaz flare]

sounds like a biomass mastermind and its big

really big

july 2nd 2052

so before outbreak

[eternal talon]

no hive mind.

the sleepers are a hive, they don't have a central intelligence

if its before the outbreak, then its an allen.

somehow alive in the meteor.

which...

is insanity.

65 million years without food or sustenance, in the literally center of a species destroying mega-virus' hive.

[past matrix]

didnt we get a log where an alien seemingly teleported next to a guy

[eternal talon]

edgar/teal log.

yes.

[past matrix]

maybe they didn't exclusively live inside of the meteor, but rather used it as something like

a headquarters?

[eternal talon]

well they used it to flee from destination

where else would they be holding up?

[topaz flare]

hive means there is something bigger controlling them...

[eternal talon]

no it doesnt.

[topaz flare]

you know what im still playing i come back after

[eternal talon]

a queen ant doesn't think for every single ant in the colony

they are individuals

they are dumb as bricks.

[limpid elk]

my bricks are pretty smart

so i wouldnt be so sure

i got them from home depot

[solar nova]

Oh, it doesn't actually continue lmao

Two different logs in C2 ^^ ^^^

[solar nova]

z78 in R1D1

Fake continue again

z76 in R1D1

z74 in R1D1

[lofty warren]

Hi guys, quick question but does the warden employ explosive collars? A user on reddit mentioned them but I can’t remember them being in the game/lore.

[topaz flare]

the warden does not (as i know)

[eternal talon]

no, whoever told you that is a liar

nothing even remotely of the sort is used by the warden

we are controlled mostly in a mix of brainwashing and our neural implants.

[solar nova]

Schaeffer talks about a "slave collar" 😳

[eternal talon]

metaphorically

[solar nova]

But it probably doesn't explode.

Possibly, it's some kind of thing that's visible externally though.

Or can at least be felt.

[eternal talon]

well you can see the player models

we have no such thing

[solar nova]

Might be under clothes.

[eternal talon]

would be strange for schaeffer to be the exception, dobuly so because he wasn't given the same hydrostasis treatment

[solar nova]

or just wasn't modelled.

[harsh saffron]

Bricky (a YouTuber) recently made a review about Gtfo and mentioned explosives in the prisoners neck. I can see how ppl listening to the C1 dialogue could come to that conclusion I guess.

[topaz flare]

or we not having it is what makes us so good

[lofty warren]

Thanks all of you. I never found explosives in the game so the statement was pretty weird for me.

He posted on the reddit page

[eternal talon]

"all also death row inmates" oof

you'd wish dauda was on death row after what he did

[eternal talon]

this is just sad. r1, and r1 now.

we went back to xbox360

[finite vine]

ok that reveals a lot. so hydrostasis does indeed kill NAM-V, but NAM-V is airborne, so you can easily be re-infected once you exit hydrostasis.

and the reason for the EF-01 missions are probably to find the origin of the virus and the parasites, to find an immune genome

the warden also had us download parts of the genome database in r6

[eternal talon]

he did download it

[finite vine]

doesn't that mean The Warden is trying to use us to find a cure for NAM-V?

[eternal talon]

he had us verify we had everything and collect the last of it in the extension

[eternal talon]

for all we know he could be trying to destroy that research, not use it.

[finite vine]

yea, but he could also be trying to find a cure. looks like my prediction is becoming more of a reality.

but yea he could also be trying to use it for other things

[eternal talon]

if the wrdn is allen in origin like it would seem, the research wouldn't even be of that much use to it, since the humans would be obviously testing for a cure that works on humans

[lofty warren]

Warden alien in origin? Where did I miss that one?!

[eternal talon]

its a relatively new revalation based on an old log and it's dates.

the warden was injected into the biocom during the emergency databurst during the period where the inner was ramping up in activity days before the big boom

at the same time, the server room in question was about as hot as an oven would need to be to slow-roast a turkey.

[burnt wren]

That's still stupid.

Aliens just hacking into human stuff with different programming language.

Cheap writing.

[lofty warren]

Interesting idea but I don’t buy it. I’m with Artek on this one.

[eternal talon]

no, ruffdaimont, the dates and information is harder than cast-iron. the question is how

and specifically whom

weither it was a human or not, we can't be sure. but we can't be sure 100% of a lot of things.

but given the outstanding circumstances, it almost certainly was allens.

artek is how artek always is, pointing out lazy storytelling and writing

so weither you believe it was allens that day or not, we do know that it was that day and with those surrounding circumstances

and given the impact of the inner..

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[finite vine]

I don't see anything in this log that suggests an unknown file was added, especially to the biocom system, with cast iron certainty.

[eternal talon]

Log: 03:23:49 AM - ALERT

• Da3¤&%(¤¤¤a f&a/TR#en!%#%n ^ alert
  ~ 9A.5f OK
  ~ %%%ddd OK
• ;;Unknown

also, biocom ONLY starts acting strange after this log.

[finite vine]

yea how does that mean a file was added

to biocom

its just text that says unknown

[eternal talon]

it's an unknown file extension.

[finite vine]

ok so 9A.5f is a file extension

[eternal talon]

i have no idea.

[finite vine]

yea I just dont understand where you are getting that from

[eternal talon]

that would imply %%%ddd is a file extension, which it certainly isnt

[finite vine]

that would also imply that ;;unknown is a file extension, which it certainly isnt

[eternal talon]

biocom starts to behave strangely literally a week after this. and never before

whats your explanation?

[finite vine]

yea thats better evidence, but strangely how?

[finite vine]

I just want to know how you determined this "cast iron" evidence

from the ";;unknown" line in that log

[eternal talon]

the very first biocom log after this event starts with WRDN OVERRIDE

in the post i linked, i talked in depth about it with gravy, and also you

because it would seem you asked for a source before

and i provided about 6.

okay, i'll brb. gotta do this reactor. just afking in r1d1 at this point

[finite vine]

well the evidence you got from your sources were heavily based on assumptions

made by you

[finite vine]

the first log that uses the WRDN key phase is in this log:https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=2909f58bdedc4c3a8570f3d6ad3309a1&pm=s

which has the date April 5th, 2054

an entire 7 months after the AUTO GEN STATUS log

that is a lot of time for WRDN to be injected in to biocom

there are only 2 logs ever that use the WRDN access key. the one i posted above and this one: https://www.notion.so/PCS-alert-unauthorized-access-logged-80805958a8554193a11e4752a48189cf#7f6462ef14984aadb8b4ea2ee7eae48b

from 2063

[eternal talon]

i'm back

[finite vine]

also something interesting to note. Mr. Piros had access to this log from the unauthorized login attempt, and he could blatantly see that the "WRDN: override" keyword was used. Why are they not questioning that something called WRDN was trying to access these things. Could it be possible they Mr. Piros knew about WRDN???

or that log at least made him aware of WRDN

idk seems odd

so I dont think you can say that the WRDN was for sure injected on october 11th, 2053

[eternal talon]

to be fair, we only have 3 logs AT ALL between these two dates.

[eternal talon]

yes, but the importance of it in this context is how many times its used. its that its used in in the first log after this event

and nothing even remotely sus before this log, if you are looking exclusively at the biocom logs

[finite vine]

its used 5 logs after

[eternal talon]

it goes normal normal normal this one, sus sus sus sus

[eternal talon]

you just said two

[eternal talon]

^

[eternal talon]

maybe, but in that case, there'd be no fucking way he'd just let it rest. wrdn has actively tried to sabotage garganta, like 3 times.

[finite vine]

can you clarify what u said here?

because the WRDN keyphrase is not used in the first log after the autogen log

[eternal talon]

if you look at all biocom logs. biocom is biocom as normal, until this log where it gets a little weird, then immediately the next biocom log it has WRDN override.

[finite vine]

it is used 5 logs after the autogen log

[eternal talon]

ignore all logs other than biocom, because they are irellavant in this context because they give no info to the question at hand

i'm looking exclusively at biocom logs.

[finite vine]

oh i see

[eternal talon]

the very next (biocom) log after this is wrdn

[finite vine]

there is a biocom illicit communication thou

[eternal talon]

that one is hearsay tho

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=32d89344964844da8c0d11480d59aca6&pm=s

its schaeffer and artus talking about the boom

[finite vine]

yea but hearsay is a biocom system

[eternal talon]

yes but there is no content here to BE sus or not

its just schaeffer and artus

unless you want to look at the very bottom 3 lines of the log

where it says 'concern ends'

[finite vine]

now I see what you are saying, but I believe that the timeframe is more important, because we could get more logs in that gap.

[eternal talon]

we could, absolutely, but at current we don't.

[finite vine]

if you think about it though, WRDN being inserted into biocom would most likely happen at the complexes lowest point, which is when the giant explosion occured

[eternal talon]

i believe we should use what we have until proven otherwise

[finite vine]

or sometime after during recovery

[eternal talon]

but yeah, in regards to your point, no fucking way prios noticed. if he did, we wouldn't still have logs of biocom trying to overload the power grid, lock employees down in quarantined zones, or recalling KSOs to abandon kovac and insight scientists

he'd shut that shit down immediately because its a threat to himself also at that point.

[finite vine]

unless they were actively fighting WRDN

and it could still make some small changes to BIOCOM

[eternal talon]

thats another thing, it couldn't be kovac,

because biocom is still there

wrdn doesn't have the ability to delete it, despite trying profusely

[unborn steppe]

z76 in D1

I checked with the database and the date is off. The flight was supposed to happen December 13th not the 18th. Either the flight had a delay or its a hint that the alt rundowns are an alternate timeline?

[eternal talon]

Would mesh well with the different world-lines that were proven with the MWP and the new Durant log on the santonian website.

[unborn steppe]

Comparing the log with staff IDs to the community database. Every ID matches except for Hammerstein the log says B013 when every other mention is B014.

[solar nova]

Seems to be hinted at pretty heavily in AltR1

[quiet plaza]

tell me at what level is the audiologist on r1?

[snow yarrow]

B2

Zone17

so any thought about the audio in R1B2?

[quiet plaza]

thx

[pearl trench]

dunno if it's been found already, but alt r1d1's morse code is "ESCAPE" which sounds fun

[fiery lance]

I'm running shit through signal analysis programs but I wouldn't really know what to look for if it's more than basic shit

I dunno, it could just be a weird-ass sound that's meant to sound spooky

but it honestly sounds like there's something in there

[twilit girder]

r1 had no logs

the original one i mean

[fiery lance]

yeah, but this one does

ah shit, he said R7

I mean AR1B2

it's described as a "signal"

[fickle mesa]

Alt R1 has logs

[fiery lance]

yeah, and there's a single audio log in the whole thing

and it's just......creepy.

[twilit girder]

unrelated question, are you the guy who made the zf beer?

[fiery lance]

yep.

[snow yarrow]

I mean R1 sorry got shiiting typo lol

[snow yarrow]

I check that it heard like A sustained low frequency murmur + a low whine

[fiery lance]

I'm doing my best, but I know next to nothing about audio signal analysis

[snow yarrow]

I have the feeling that it is the sound of an gigantic creature (like a blue whale), or the sound of a huge metal thing moving

[fiery lance]

nothing seen on a basic spectrogram, and I didn't get anything when I ran it through an SSTV interpreter

[pearl trench]

100% reminds me of those cursed deep sea noises that have been picked up irl

[fiery lance]

If anyone more knowledgeable than me has any better ideas, let me know

[burnt wren]

Found the log about Bishop's stuck mask

Creepy shit. My boy didn't made it in some universe.

Evidence for paramultidimensional bullshit just keeps piling on

[fiery lance]

There's another log that I found that turned my entire understanding of stuff on my head. Again.

tl;dr Warden good, Schafer bad.

[lilac island]

👀

[wary portal]

bruh was b2 a station only with female employees

[stuck aspen]

the officer got alot of bitches so

[burnt wren]

I guess even kovac had to fill equity quotas shrug

[stuck aspen]

mfw some dead officer got more bitches than i do

[wary portal]

audio log in b2 btw

just found it

anyone tried to do a frequency analysis ?

maybe something would be revealed trough the signal

[nimble pewter]

Has anyone compared the autogen log between R1alt and R7? Doubt it’ll turn up anything decently interesting, but who knows

[fiery lance]

I was feeding it through some programs I googled but I ain't found anything yet

Need someone more experienced

[wary portal]

🤔

[lofty warren]

Which one is the log which points to the second / time displaced mask?

[burnt wren]

R1B1 one

[lofty warren]

Thank you

[solar nova]

No, but I'm not sure why you'd expect it to be any different when it's been unchanged since R2.

[past matrix]

i remember when it was found r4b1? had morse code

shit was wacky

[wary portal]

was there always morse codes in d1 ?

[eternal talon]

r1 had no logs at all afik

please have a read of the "for dummies" doc in the pins, ducks.

[glad nymph]

Will do

[eternal talon]

fastest reader in the west, huh? betcha didn't expect that.

[glad nymph]

I've seen faster.

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/burying-dying-dead-grave-gif-17189345

[glad nymph]

Their vessel which would later be known as the Fossil, or the Inner, would warp into our reality and crash into the earth, landing in the Yucatan peninsula, and wiping out the dinosaurs.

...OH

[eternal talon]

ancient allens.

[glad nymph]

That would explain A LOT

[eternal talon]

allen ruins

[glad nymph]

So Dauda was part of MSF before Santonian? Man, knowing what he did, that's...REALLY fucked up.

[eternal talon]

he conducted human experiments as a part of team insight with nam-v and the parasite.

here is the relevant log

[glad nymph]

I know. Sad that Santonian brought him in and put him in that situation to do those terrible things. Obviously Dauda isn't blameless. He still did them. He even admits in his audio log he put science ahead of ethics. But he clearly feels nothing but regret over it.

Poor Dauda

[eternal talon]

A brilliant young mind. A groundbreaking researcher. A pillar of the scientific community.
Nigerian-born psychopharmacologist Abeo Dauda was all of those things before his obsessive ambition broke his moral compass.
Dauda’s blindness to the human cost of his experiments made him indispensable to unscrupulous drug companies.
As long as they stayed out of his way, he didn’t question them.
By the time he realized the depravity of the people he worked for, it was too late.

.
from the GTFO website.

[glad nymph]

Wish they would take out the first name. Kind of spoils the mystery. Hell, Hackett's entire thing was that he didn't even know his name was Aiden for a good minute or so after being awoken from hydrostasis in the audio interview.

[eternal talon]

like 70% of the story nowadays is related to the ancient allens, hell even a lot of the weird world-line stuff going on right now with us revisiting r1 is in relation to either them or their tech.

and that very odd audio log we've yet to decipher from r1b2

[glad nymph]

August 1st, 2050: Santonian have poured the external walls and are giving Dreyfus an estimate of 8 weeks before drilling can begin on the primary shaft of Garganta (The Complex).

Wait, so the Complex is the alien ship? Not a man made facility? Or did they dig into it and set up labs and stuff inside it like a dwarf stronghold or something?

[eternal talon]

no.

the complex sits directly above the inner

[glad nymph]

Oh yeah, it’s the Inner that’s the ship.

[eternal talon]

santonian built the complex directly ontop of what they thought was an insanely massive vein of iridium (big monies)

it wasn't money, it was death.

garganta only goes about 2k meters down.

the inner is somewhere below that.

[glad nymph]

So am I correct in assuming the Inner is where NAM-V, the Parasite, and all the dead aliens(called the Allens) were, and then NAM-V and the Parasite got out and made everyone Sleepers?

[solar nova]

No?

[eternal talon]

correct.

at first, it got out via earthquakes and killed the local mayans. apparently it has gotten out multiple times.

[glad nymph]

But it killed all the hosts off, correct?

[eternal talon]

essentially, the virus is super infections, super fast, and 100% lethal

the virus makes the parasite not die.

hold on

What are Sleepers?

Sleepers are the final product of a NAM-V - Parasite infestation. NAM-V is extremely infectious and has a lethality rate of 100%.
Sleepers are created by the Parasite with NAM-V present. The Parasite was originally a victim of NAM-V and over time they have formed a Symbiotic relationship, with the Virus keeping the Parasite alive and active for undefined lengths of time, perhaps forever.
This allows NAM-V to maintain its hyper lethality without burning itself out of food or fuel to continue spreading, often hibernating for tens of thousands if not millions of years between outbreaks.
NAM-V also has a multipronged attack strategy, making it incredibly difficult to fight against and lending credence to the idea that it is not natural in origin and was some form of creation or bioweapon.

What are Giants? Hybrids?

Specialized variants of Sleepers are created by the Parasite to fill a niche in its hive. A great example of this would be the Scout, designed to keep watch while other Sleepers hibernate to keep a hive from being exterminated.
Another example would be the giant, created by an infected host that has a large quantity of muscle mass, this infected individual was mutated into a role more fitting by its genetic code and purpose the Parasite needed to support the hive.
It is this reason that nearly all Shooter variants appear to be female in origin, and nearly all Strikers being male.
Chargers appear to grow large nests with biomass (usually on ceilings), and are highly aggressive brutes, most likely derivative of big strikers, though they have their own big striker variant.

from for dummies

way at the bottom

as far as we know, only the virus got out to the mayans, not the parasite

if the parasite got out.. well the sleepers would still be on the surface, and it would have infected the spanish because it was the 16th century.. and the earth woulda died a whole lot sooner

as far as we know (luckily) the parasite has never made it to the surface

so its just billions of corpses, not billions of sleepers.

[glad nymph]

NAM-V also has a multipronged attack strategy, making it incredibly difficult to fight against and lending credence to the idea that it is not natural in origin and was some form of creation or bioweapon.

So NAM-V is possibly interdimensional alien Resident Evil?

[eternal talon]

^ as mentioned in this log

key theories are:

Developed by the allens as a super-biological nuke to wipe planets of life,
some really really unlucky natural creation

[glad nymph]

Wait a second.

What the hell are Flyers?

[eternal talon]

you see birds out your window?

they are infected aliens

not allens, but aliens.

just random infected wildlife from destination

that because of the parasite have never died of old age

thats another thing, they've been floating around for at least... 5525000000 THIS MANY YEARS

[dense saffron]

I'm pretty sure if you look closely at the fliers they're human heads

[eternal talon]

since destination's world-line is 85x faster than earths

[eternal talon]

they are not. 1 sec, got high quality

[dense saffron]

Like the kraken

[eternal talon]

kraken in no way is human

some giant infected fish, me thinks

[dense saffron]

It's got a human face

[eternal talon]

due to its biological similarities to cuttlefish

this isnt a human face

is fliers. no human face

[glad nymph]

So Destination is the Allen’s homeworld. Which is the desert world where you go in the teleporter, correct?

[eternal talon]

correct. the MWP is an allen artifact that takes us there

we don't know if its their "home-world" but its where they came from before earth

[dense saffron]

I'll give you the fliers but the kraken looks more like a human face with an overbite than anything else

[eternal talon]

one of the logs mentions the allens collecting species from different planets and possibly universes

[dense saffron]

Which log is this?

[glad nymph]

Wait, so all the truly alien looking things that aren’t sleepers are just infected animals from Destination?

[wary portal]

then there is a code hearable before the reactor room

[eternal talon]

i can find it. 1 sec

[eternal talon]

yes

we have not seen the allens

only heard about them/them described

[solar nova]

Yeah, it's been translated, didn't you quote it?

[glad nymph]

How tf did all those birds get to Earth? Did the Allens just have them on board?

[wary portal]

nope

wasnt me

[solar nova]

Let me grab it.

It just says ESCAPE, tho.

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=be964f47904647b191d3ad6149a9228b&pm=s
physical description was only given in this log (though the allen in this case might have been infected)

[eternal talon]

WE let them get here. in r6b1

we left the bloody portal open

[wary portal]

the morse code ?

[solar nova]

Yes.

[wary portal]

oh lol schaeffer telling us to escape

didnt know

[glad nymph]

Did the Warden make us do it, or did Santonian fuck up?

[eternal talon]

we did that.

we used the machine to go to destination

and we left the thing in the machine

we left during an error alarm

we didn't take the mwp with us, we left it there

wrdn most likely had to have another team clean up our mess since we have the mwp again in d1

destination fucking gorgeous btw

[glad nymph]

But the Warden made us go there and didn’t tell us to close it? Or it just wouldn’t close? (I haven’t played R6.)

[eternal talon]

he made us go there.

he didn't have us take it with us

(when we came back)

[dense saffron]

Wonder if this is one of the wardens units instead of an alien

[eternal talon]

so we left it in the machine

[glad nymph]

So it’s the Warden’s fault?

[eternal talon]

its not. this is.

u22

this is clearly one person

not two stitched together

[dense saffron]

Yeah I know what u22, I was thinking an earlier version

Since u22/u23 implies 21 other units

[glad nymph]

Warden units? Tf is a unit?

[eternal talon]

that i couldn't say. though its probably the same since we make another one of these in r3

and its still using the neonatal

[dense saffron]

But it's probably an alien

[eternal talon]

for dummies doc

"what is rise"

[glad nymph]

Ah I see

[eternal talon]

also at bottom

[dense saffron]

What's your thoughts on Schaeffer being compromised frostty btw?

[eternal talon]

compromised by what

specifically

[glad nymph]

So basically brainwashed vat grown people that could explore the Complex and perform the Warden’s tasks, replacing the Legion program?

[dense saffron]

Nam-v, affecting his judgment and motivating him to shutdown the warden, who seems to be trying to cure nam-v

[eternal talon]

also basically adults with the mental capacity of children

[eternal talon]

probably though idk about wrdn trying to cure nam-v

he could also be just as easily trying to obtain that research to destroy it

his units being immune to nam-v is separate to us

ie; trying to replace us

makes his job easier, cure or not.

less gunfighting

[dense saffron]

Ye

[glad nymph]

Okay, question: What’s the neonate for? It’s clearly a baby in hydrostasis. But is it being grown by the Warden? Is it just a kid they took? Is it a fuckin clone or something?

[eternal talon]

not a clone

@rocky wraith

your expertise pls

[rocky wraith]

mlem

[eternal talon]

but in terms of lore, its essentially a grow-your-own-army program

[glad nymph]

So not Warden units?

[eternal talon]

it is

[rocky wraith]

thats one possibility

[eternal talon]

was originally designed in RISE as subjects, repurposed by WRDN as units that he spliced with.. something to make them immune to nam-v

[burnt wren]

One of the logs literally says something like "...NOT clones..."

[eternal talon]

he is also rapidly increasing the speed at which they are grown

[burnt wren]

...i believe

[eternal talon]

to literally inhuman levels

[burnt wren]

Warden is straight up growing those lads from scratch

[eternal talon]

correct

[burnt wren]

Explains why they are so fucked up

[glad nymph]

So neonates are Warden units? The things that the Warden’s trying to make and hopefully replace us with if RISE comes about?

[rocky wraith]

yup

[eternal talon]

they are now yes.

[burnt wren]

Doing mother nature's work is no easy task

[eternal talon]

wrdn took the remnants of the rise projekt after everyone died and used it to create his units

[glad nymph]

I mean, that’s good for us…but also fucked up.

[rocky wraith]

not good for us

[eternal talon]

not good for us, units are invisible to sleepers.

[rocky wraith]

it makes us expendable

[eternal talon]

we bout to be out of a job

[rocky wraith]

which makes our escape very hard

[eternal talon]

we are gonna be an unnecessary expense

[glad nymph]

Yeah, true, I guess.

[eternal talon]

not to mention the fact wrdn shut the place down really early on and sealed it tight

@glad nymph got it from the wiki, couldn't find it on the notion

[glad nymph]

Wait, what is he talking about? Flyers? Sleepers?

[eternal talon]

we dont know

specimens he found in the inner

[glad nymph]

...OH.

[eternal talon]

more species the allens brought with them

probably in an effort to preserve life from destination while they were abandoning ship

[glad nymph]

Wait, so the Inner had been explored by Santonian?

[eternal talon]

by insight, and yeah a bit.

not all of though

mostly just the surface levels

[glad nymph]

So did they find the Allens, or is that up in the air?

[eternal talon]

and even of that we know very little of what they found down there

[eternal talon]

they found the corpse of one

thats all we know

logs dont tell us

😠

[glad nymph]

Ah SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEET

[glad nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner2049-blade-runner-angry-god-damnit-confused-gif-15118091

I NEED MY LORE 10 CHAMBERS

[eternal talon]

where have i seen this before...

[glad nymph]

Tbf, GTFO's design clearly takes inspiration from The Thing

At least when it comes to Sleepers with the face teeth

Head mouth

[eternal talon]

**It is impossible for the MRT to prepare for emergencies if we are not made aware of the risks the workers in mines are facing. We do not know when the exploration teams are setting out, what their destination is, or what environmental or pathogenic dangers they are facing. We also have been denied any data from the autopsy of the creature found in Level 27, despite the potential for the life form to be carrying bacteria or viruses for which we have no remedy. Indeed, KDS are now actively denying any life form was found, despite several of our staff being present at the initial discovery. The truth, it seems, is now negotiable. **

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=5a665d8b1b634e1490c04998f04e9cb5&pm=s

[dense saffron]

Here's my text dump on my theory about the warden and it's goals

My personal theory is that the warden was added to biocom by Dean Lockwood through the backdoor implemented to appease Andrew Clinton. After andrew clintons death, lockwood takes over from him, presumably getting access to the backdoor's into biocom andrew had. As lockwood is the head of insight and presumably knows the full extent of nam-v / the parasites, as a final act before presumably committing identity death by locking himself in HSU, he uses the backdoor biocom access to order biomcom to find a cure for nam-v
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=c94123abe41149408658cb6815d974cd&pm=s ```
I have tried to explain this to Andrew Clinton, but he is reluctant to allow us the access we need. I have told him we can insertback doors if he doesn't want us to refactor the systems and explained we won't need any engineering support from him. I have also reiterated that he will have override codes to limit BIOCOM access in case of an emergency.

Lockwood is presumably the one here using clinton's override access to research the rise project after getting stonewalled by andre 
Lockwood getting stonewalled after taking over from clinton
<https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=0ed84a108dba43c784b28326e6f6a588&pm=s>
Override access being used to query rise project
<https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=72d724eb801648ea9e98bef50df64916&pm=s>

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/wave-alien-alien-wave-funny-gif-20445994

[nimble pewter]

Didn’t expect any difference, just wanted to cover all bases just in case tbh

[fossil kernel]

i have a theory about rundown 8

you see

when we look at the last level of rundown 1

we just see a black nothingness right?

but we know that's just another area of the complex

but with rundown 7

when we look at the last level or E tier

we see a brown fog in the area

and maybe that means that the next zone of the complex is completely unknown to even the warden

maybe we'll see more mutated areas

maybe even a glimpse of the inner

[fossil kernel]

with mutated i mean those black crystals and such

this could even explain the big boy down on E1

[past matrix]

it just depends on how the expedition's fog is

[fossil kernel]

i'm not talk about the fog in the level

i'm talking about the fog on the level select screen

[minor saffron]

Silly Theory time, Andrew Clinton has something to do with the Warden as Andrew and Warden share the same letters

if this is correct, I will laugh

[fossil kernel]

if you change andrew backwards what do you get?

exactly

[minor saffron]

erdna

[fossil kernel]

werdna

[minor saffron]

Werdna*

[fossil kernel]

which means warden

in cucamoncan

[minor saffron]

not sure that is correct, cant find information on cucamoncan

[past matrix]

oh yea that doesnt mean much

r2 had the brown fog as well

[stone vine]

anyways

love schaeffer knew he would come thru in d1

wonder if well get answers to his r4e1 thing with the alt rundowns ;P

r the logs on the wiki i wanna listen

alt rundowns basically = funny schaeffer r8 build up for the meet n greet

wonder if theyre just gonna kill him lmaoooo

[topaz flare]

i don't think schaeffer will ever meet us

cause his too scared of us

and i don't blame him

we are simply too good at our job

[hot burrow]

Just a difference in skills

Schaeffer- “I have to climb in vents to hide
4 chads- “We will give them nothing, kill them all!”

[solar nova]

Werdna...

Werdan

Warden!?

Confirmed???

[lilac island]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-popcorn-im-watching-interested-gif-14656217

[wooden jasper]

It just occurred to me that this is one of the only enemies we’ve seen so far that appears to have an actual eye. I wonder if there’s a significants to that.

[eternal talon]

its not. even chargers have eyes. so do mothers

[drifting island]

🤢

[eternal talon]

just you wait to see them in-game

on mothers?

fucking terrifying once you notice them

makes you want to light them on fire

[drifting island]

I haven't been around one before despawn long enough to look

[eternal talon]

snatchers also have eyes

glazed white marbles

probably blind

[drifting island]

noooo

[eternal talon]

they are also filled to the brim with these egg lookin' things.

[lofty warren]

I haven’t caught up in R7 yet but does Hendrikson survive? I only read about Shaeffer all the time.

[eternal talon]

yes

as much as we know, he and schaeffer are still alive

[lofty warren]

Good, I had to listen a million times to: “you are klaus hendrikson, - I am Klaus Hendrikson.” That I grew attached to the guy.

Also, the virus is airborne and going into the hsu kills the virus. As the complex is permeated (persumably) with the virus wouldn’t that mean that Shaeffer and Hendrikson are infected and dying?

[eternal talon]

yep

dying a surprisingly slow and painful death

schaeffer should have been dead years ago though

the virus is lethal within 5 weeks

[lofty warren]

So why isn’t he dead?

[eternal talon]

we dont know

there is a lot of weird shit with his lore

[honest merlin]

Has he really been running around the complex after escaping from the Warden that long?

[lofty warren]

Would be funny is Shaeffer is immune and the warden has us hunting him down in a manner so that he can be examend?

[eternal talon]

about a year and a half, though no estimates can be concrete. we have no exact dates for rundowns past r5 (i think?)

its been a while since i checked the wrdn twitter

[honest merlin]

What are the sources for the timestamps when Schaeffer escaped from Warden and what the current date is?

[eternal talon]

he escaped "sometime" in r4

[honest merlin]

Real world time between rundowns isn't the same as in-game time.

[eternal talon]

nov5 2063 was the end of r3

[honest merlin]

Oh? Source, please

[eternal talon]

i know my sources but okay. its not like i do literally half of the research in here as of late
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=80805958a8554193a11e4752a48189cf&pm=s

[honest merlin]

Not saying you aren't right, but I want to read the logs I missed because I didn't know the date when Schaeffer escaped

[eternal talon]

the notion.so is an excellent tool i use all the time, though it doesn't always have all the logs

all are on the wiki though

[eternal talon]

we don't know exactly when schaeffer escaped. just that he did sometime in r4 because thats when his "FUCK THE WARDEN" log was

[lofty warren]

What is meant by product stability?

[eternal talon]

in the context of RISE, if the babies are stable.

ie/not dead/dying

or whatever they are using to make them

[lofty warren]

And do we know how Shaeffer escaped? Did he just break programming and walk away?

[eternal talon]

no idea.

[lofty warren]

Thanks

[eternal talon]

we got no context

just that he 'did'

[lofty warren]

Sounds convenient that the one guy who is seemingly immune gets to escape from the warden.

[eternal talon]

we dont know if he is immune or what the fuck is going on

but by all rights, he should be LOOOOOOONG dead.

[past matrix]

he'll die off screen

i guarantee he hasnt been in-game yet because 10cc has no clue how to actually put him in

its why he's been literally right behind us for the past 2? years but we dont see him

[past matrix]

i think the twist will either be:
-he was an extension of the warden (maybe the warden put part of itself into him, idk)
-he did wacky shit to himself via alien tech and wants humanity to fully go extinct

i do wonder how much schaeffer story we'll get

iirc its been mentioned that there is a lore reason why we're going back to these rundowns but the only actual present day lore is just schaeffer saying "escape"

[wooden jasper]

Ah, I haven’t met those yet. Sound like fun 💀

[eternal talon]

R7c1, d1, d2, and e1

[wooden jasper]

Oh boy

Did we ever figure out what blew a hole through the entire complex? (From the way the holes we go down are structured it seems like the force moved directly up)

[eternal talon]

Some kind of allen machine

Hammerstein triggered it

[lofty warren]

About that, the Warden drops us down into the complex using these holes. How did it get the equipment (cranes etc) to move us into position? It doesn’t seem like something which would have already been in place.

[eternal talon]

It was already in place

Hammerstein triggered the detonation quite a while before garganta went under

I'm on mobile rn so I can't check dates, but I'd reckon a couple years from memory

When life gives you lemons, make lemonade

And so they started using the holes for freight lifts

[stone vine]

hes gonna die fr

were never gonna see him for the entire game

until we "escape"

and if we see him i doubt itll be like a game thing itll be a cinematic ending

or he will die while we leave lmao

i doubt hell live considering his mental state though he might like die cuz of his own like mental state

[pearl trench]

I think the way things are going Schaeffer is going to make things actively a lot worse

[stone vine]

^

pretty much

[honest sky]

anyone got a hint on the audio log location in r1b2?

cant find it

[stone vine]

we dunno if warden is currently using us and schaeffer

[pearl trench]

R7E1 doesn't seem to have done great things for the complex

[eternal talon]

Not on here as far as I know.

Very deep allen sounds. Like the blip

[stone vine]

did anyone else

like in d1

when schaeffer was banging on the pipes throughout the levek

level

[honest sky]

where is the terminal so i can hear it myself?

[stone vine]

hear groaning?

like i swear i heard a bang and a bit of a distant groan right after

[pearl trench]

No, but I was also processing r5d1 trauma at the time

[eternal talon]

Second zone forward. The long ass blue tunnel

Hidden in a corner on the left side of the security door

[stone vine]

i was so freaked out omg

[eternal talon]

Like, very hidden

[stone vine]

i have clips of me just losing it cuz of the metal noise

cuz it wasnt lab or datacenter so

[honest sky]

thanks 🙂

[stone vine]

but also means schaeffer is actively always following us

which is silly

[pearl trench]

I think it was basically the same as his Morse code HELLO in r4

[stone vine]

its escape this time

but theres ambient banging before warden door

[eternal talon]

The audio log in b2 isn't morse

[stone vine]

its the same ambience u hear in labs

[pearl trench]

Yeah my group was the one to translate it to ESCAPE

[eternal talon]

It sounds like a whale more than anything

[stone vine]

ohhh ok ok

[eternal talon]

Super deep

[pearl trench]

Frostty we're talking about d1

[stone vine]

i didnt check the name of who found that coolio

i think theyre talking abt b1

[pearl trench]

Yeah

[stone vine]

yeah but schaeffer bangs on pipes regularly

but at set events like key doors n stuff

hes done morse code

[pearl trench]

Two convos at once can be a bit hard to follow

[stone vine]

he follows us literally

like in a way leads us to the door

via pipe banging

cuz it starts once u enter side zones is what i noticed

[pearl trench]

Yes
r1 was before that though, and the earlier time frame combined with the warning has me sussed out

[stone vine]

this is what im thinking

so in r3

there was some hints to this

happening

in c1

cuz it was a copy past of the alpha

and there was a geological mismatch

[pearl trench]

Yeah yeah

[stone vine]

alt rundowns likely follow rlly weird space time shit

[pearl trench]

I remember hearing about that geo mismatch

[stone vine]

yuppo

[pearl trench]

Whatever timeline alt r1 is on might be even worse than the main one

[lofty warren]

Weird question but have we been playing the rundowns in the correct chronological order?

[stone vine]

it makes no sense as of current

need more rundowns

to explain it

schaeffer will most likely

that or something else

[pearl trench]

The answer is... Probably. Most of them appear obviously chronological, but idk how much of a guarantee we can have with this dimensional bs

[stone vine]

for the most part yeah but

theres probs like mismatches

like breaks in space or whatevr

cuz they were really into their elon musk mars bs

i had a theory for this in r3 like the mismatch but it doesnt hold very strong anymore

had stuff to do with the actual creatures

[pearl trench]

As we get into alt rundowns that originally had more lore, especially 4/5/6, I'd expect things to get clearer. Or at least more obviously messed up.

[stone vine]

also r1 alt is called deviation so we know were going off track

like clearly

[lofty warren]

Does anybody have the log where this timetravel stuff is prominent? Like the mask? I can’t find them on notion

[stone vine]

^ thatd be good

i dont have it

i can look on the wiki

[pearl trench]

r6b1 had a good log referencing time differential between destination and the complex

[stone vine]

thats what i think it is

like whatever they were doing with their destination project

[lofty warren]

Thanks reading the wiki now

[stone vine]

makes most sense

[pearl trench]

There was also one about the missing team with bishop, but I don't remember what level it was in

[stone vine]

question is

when did we shift

r7e1?

like very confused as to how warden moved us

we dont get an entry point for r1

because its not a base rundown

it could have been r8

[pearl trench]

R7E1 is a good guess
Shifting there would explain the dead silence after leaving Pablo in Utah

[stone vine]

wonder if were not even on base game timeline

[stone vine]

could be

but wondering if r8 too

[pearl trench]

No matter what it's weird Schaeffer and klas said nothing the entire back half of e1

[stone vine]

^ totally wonder if its their fault

theyre definitely up to something

[pearl trench]

Oh brute forcing control of biocom was definitely an awful idea

[stone vine]

and i dont think schaeffer is as crazy as he makes himself out to be hes keeping secrets bc of warden

he would make more sense if warden wasnt in the picture

also

how does he even trust us?

we could be getting played by schaeffer, warden, or were helping schaeffer and warden is oblivious

which i highly doubt

[pearl trench]

I don't think he does I think he just hates being controlled

[stone vine]

yeah its just a thought

would be funny if schaeffer like

was working with warden

i definitely dont think were just helping him or hes just helping us though

definitely some alterior motive from someone

[pearl trench]

I'm not convinced, I think he's just being incredibly rash and vindictive

"screw the warden, I run the show now"
Then he sees the state of the show and realizes, maybe, he made an oopsie

[stone vine]

he definitely made an oopsie

[pearl trench]

112%

[stone vine]

d2 is pretty much the biggest oopsie so far

[pearl trench]

Beats out r5d2 handily

[stone vine]

we know deeper has to do with his uh whats it called operation thing

i know schaeffer was doing something to go deeper

[pearl trench]

RESIST

[lofty warren]

Who is the target that escaped the complex in log Alt R1C2? Any leads on who?

[stone vine]

so somehow r1d1 alt r1d1 and r5d1 are all connected

well obviously they are

theyre all the same level basically

[pearl trench]

Yeah r5d1 existing is another huge wrench in things

[stone vine]

exactly

did he need something

like maybe he came back to alt rundowns to come back to deeper

not that alone

but its plausible he needs something we left behind

breaking space time would be too much for that unless he has huge plans

[pearl trench]

People don't seem to retain memories well across dimensions unless they were the ones tethered

So idk if alt Schaeffer knows anything ours does

[stone vine]

hmmmmm good point

but they probably have the same objective

either way

[pearl trench]

He could even know more depending on when he got loose

[stone vine]

^ definitely

it has something to do with deeper

for sure

what im really excited to see is how his other interactions are going to play out in alt

we still dont know what attacked him

well we do

but we havent seen it alive

or things similar to it

[pearl trench]

r4-7 Schaeffer wanted us to go deeper
r1 alt Schaeffer wants us to escape
Which could amount to the same goal, but then why would the devs change the message

[stone vine]

hold on

that thing u said abt schaeffer fucking up

alt rundowns could be backwards in time

they likely are

not certain

he fucked up right

set us back to fix it?

[pearl trench]

Yeah

I uhh
Don't know if anything here is his intention

[stone vine]

in the regular timeline maybe going deeper backfired

[pearl trench]

Consequences of his actions? Probably. Deliberate intent? Ehhhhh

[stone vine]

what was the purpose of resist?

like what was their objective

[lofty warren]

So the bishop mask and the log of state of truth in R1 point towards changes in the timeline. Couldn’t it be that the warden is sending us back in time to change the way events play out?

[stone vine]

what im thinking

warden or schaeffer

were changing something but like dunno why

[eternal talon]

Sauce?

[pearl trench]

The goal was to go deeper so the warden couldn't track his contacting you as easily. RESIST was just the terminal code given out in r5c1 and entered in r5c3

[pearl trench]

State of truth log in the corrupted santonian folder

I'm just extrapolating tho

[eternal talon]

Yeah I listened to that

[stone vine]

yeah ik it was the code but hoping something else was tied to it

[eternal talon]

I was the first 2 post it

[stone vine]

so doesnt help

if he had some materialistic objective

aside from warden

escape could very well mean "espace warden"

[pearl trench]

Yeah

[stone vine]

ive always wondered if his other banging was scattered code

but im too lazy to figure that out

it always sounded like a replayed pattern

[pearl trench]

So I ultimately don't know if ESCAPE instead of HELLO means anything fundamental has changed with Schaeffer, but it does suggest increased urgency

[stone vine]

yeah and wtf is gonna happen to contact then

schaeffer cant recontact us

so what is r4s purpose now

he already said something so its either going to be a different message

or a whole new level

[pearl trench]

The alts are looking like surprisingly fun lore exercises

[stone vine]

well i mean they had to put a lore spin on it fs

only good thing imo

[echo coyote]

By theory, won't that mean that R6 is the turning point for changing everything?

Since that's when we start getting back in contact with him

[pearl trench]

Yeah, and recovering the mwp would be huge

[stone vine]

yeah thats true its rlly cnfusing

cuz now the whole storyline changes

everything is going to play out the same but different i assume

also whats his connection to r2e1 now?

im so excited to see

[echo coyote]

As lame as time travel first sounded, Schaeffer using it as a way to correct his mistakes is an interesting take

[stone vine]

:)

[stone vine]

its either to gain something or fix something id say

[pearl trench]

r6d4 was the beginning of things obviously being much, much worse than we originally thought
We still don't know who tampered with the data cubes or why

[stone vine]

also possibility we meet different people because wonder if the same people died in alt

and whats the specimen going to be like

[eternal talon]

tampered data cubes don't just teleport us to different world-lines, they also teleport us to different universes. paralel earths that could potentially influence eachother

[pearl trench]

Yes

[stone vine]

we already know the alt rundowns are effectively our timeline on crack

so possibility of new enemies too

[eternal talon]

different worldline. split from ours at some point

[stone vine]

or a slight change

[eternal talon]

or ours split from its

[stone vine]

thats what i mean

its not our timeline

like

the same thing

but its like our timeline just mixed up

[eternal talon]

also key difference, these are worldlines. not timelines. its different earths, not the same earth

[stone vine]

same thing in my head

im bad at explaining my bad

😭

[eternal talon]

destination also exists in our own universe

[pearl trench]

If that is the choice of steins;gate 😔

[eternal talon]

thats how we got there with the MWP

using coordinates from our own universe

[stone vine]

well yeah

[eternal talon]

steins;gate isn't really true world-lines in the mathematical sense

thats john titor stuff

[echo coyote]

Makes me wonder if we'll actually kill the kraken this time, especially if we're given multiple encounters with it

Seemed weird that it kinda just left

[stone vine]

imagine multiple krakens

well there is

but multiple kraken boss fight

there is more we can see them lol

[eternal talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_line#:~:text=In physics%2C a world line of an object,world line is a time-like curve in spacetime.

[pearl trench]

We deflated it the first time

[stone vine]

wait a minute

if the space thing had to do with destination

[eternal talon]

it is very possible, GURANTEED that there are more krakens

[stone vine]

is it not possible thats how alt and regular are conencted

[eternal talon]

maybe even multiple per destination

[stone vine]

its proveb

proven

like u see it in game

so yes 100%

[eternal talon]

sauce?

we only saw the one in r6d1

[stone vine]

any c1 vid

nope

[eternal talon]

c1 is the same as in d1

[stone vine]

datacube

one in the distance

[eternal talon]

i know, bruh

[stone vine]

sorry

ur confusing me

[eternal talon]

we go to the same site in c1 as d1

[stone vine]

eys

yes

but

theres one in the distance

one close one far

[pearl trench]

Yea there's no reason to assume the r6c1 and r6d1 kraken are different

[eternal talon]

C1 D1 = alpha one
B1 = alpha two
BX DX = alpha three

[stone vine]

and a third i think i saw verrrry far

[eternal talon]

those are the sites we know of

[stone vine]

theyre the sae

same

[pearl trench]

Or did you see multiple krakens in d1

[stone vine]

but theres multiple

multiple in c1

[eternal talon]

we know this for fact cause' MOUNTAINS, BITCH