Yes, but we haven't seen anything that suggests their magic involves "surprise free AI gifted"
#gtfo-lore
grizzled frost
Nothing in the way of advanced electronics or that
while mankind has some form of AI already in play
eternal talon
personally, i think already given what little we know about them, basically anything is on the table
grizzled frost
Indeed it's full theory either way
eternal talon
if you can beat the laws of physics, nothing can stop you at that point
grizzled frost
The thing is, we lack anything concrete for an alien origin
eternal talon
for the wrdn, we don't have any origin
that's why its theory central
when someone asks what our goal is,
the only answer is "we don't know"
our goal is whatever wrdn wants us to do
grizzled frost
Why would it exist considering we haven't seen any alien computer ? Why did it get tangled with a human system ? Why, in the logs, does it seem to stick to a "human code" format?
while on the other hand, humans already have AI capabilities
eternal talon
we haven't seen ANYTHING of allen origin before
aside from an ancient rock on destination
and maybe some fancy cables
grizzled frost
We have the MWP and the crystals?
grizzled frost
So we have some examples of their tech
eternal talon
individual pieces
that's like looking at an i-phone and using it to judge the computing power of nasa
its one tiny piece of what is down there
grizzled frost
Of course - but here we're looking at a narrated story
eternal talon
its why i really really want us to get a chance to see the inner before the devs abandon gtfo
grizzled frost
It feels more logical to go with the theory that gives a human origin to Warden, because we know humans have AIs, than with an alien origin, when we've seen nothing regarding alien "computing"
eternal talon
again, i feel like that's kind of a half-truth
there is a lot of things about them we dont know
we don't know how the mwp works in specifics, for example
we know what it does, sure
but there is a lot more
grizzled frost
Yes, that's why it's still all theory
eternal talon
we don't know specifically what cretasum 77-a is or what it even looks like.
if its the crystals, or something else
grizzled frost
What i'm trying to do here with my theory/timeline is really to tie the entire thing together - reconcile the capabilities of Warden with plausible end goals, while taking into account the actions that can be reasonably assumed to have been taken during the crisis
eternal talon
gtfo-lore has so many things to it, even the simplest of summaries of the lore is 16 paragraphs. i just really hope we get even close to solid answers to a lot of our questions. and most importantly, more info on the allens. we have seen so very little of their stuff, imagine seeing what they look like, or their architecture, or maybe even a live one.
I'm not saying your theory is wrong or anything, I'm just hoping we get more info in general
You can't "disprove" anything from lack of information, you just simply require more pieces
grizzled frost
For example a discrepancy with the alien Warden- they are obviously super technologically advanced, and if they made Warden, they are so good at computing that even a long ass time after their extinctions, they have an AI that could adapt to an entirely known race's electronic systems within a few years so well that it can even communicate (in the sense of giving coherent orders) with members of said race, and is smart enough to make up plans with massive intuitive leaps, without any clear "vector" or "point of contact" between alien computer technology and ours... But it bumped against access right issues ?
grizzled frost
You can't "disprove" anything from lack of information, you just simply require ...
Indeed, and i know i'm relying on a ton of wild ass guessing
I want to find something that fits all the known pieces together in a relatively coherent whole
The biggest guess is that human AIs are not particularly smart/intuitive - that's why i'm assuming a human hand behind Warden, until late (or even currently) into the crisis
As you mentioned, BIOCOM practically ran Kovac, but from what we've been shown, it's not "thinking" - it's a very efficient management system, purpose built
eternal talon
For example a discrepancy with the alien Warden- they are obviously super techno...
well, one of the theories posed by @burnt wren , is that there are still living allens on destination
due to the strange "pack tactics" displayed by the creatures that hunted durant's team
which do not fit with established sleeper behavior
same with the creature edgar encountered in the mines
grizzled frost
Well that would go with the idea of nam-v not being a 100% species killer 😄
Actually i don't recall much of Durant logs
need to check these again
eternal talon
grizzled frost
But i admit i hate anything that ends into "it was aliens doing it all along"
eternal talon
i know that feeling
there was chaos when the two journal logs came out
G732-049 and G732-076
grizzled frost
So i'm strongly opposed to the alien Warden theory
because that's the only way it could go
eternal talon
the ones talking about the difference in how time works between the world-lines
grizzled frost
Yeah... i've been mostly trending towards thinking that Destination is almost a red herring for the current events
That it exists mostly to say "here is an alien Virus, and time passes fast so no more aliens there"
eternal talon
we've found likely evidence of ancient plant-life and water on the surface.
eternal talon
grizzled frost
Just that it's a convenient way to justify what's happening on Earth
As the origin of the aliens/virus
eternal talon
or more-so a red herring as in; "EARTH WILL TURN INTO THIS"
and not that that's just the planet's natural environment of a mostly-desert world
grizzled frost
Rather than something that is influencing the current events
(beyond of course getting the flyers in)
eternal talon
i don't know about destination impacting current events
you'd think if there was an active force of allens still living on the surface you'd see buildings, or ruins of them
but it's just wasteland
(note these are two separate deserts because of the mountains)
grizzled frost
That's a tall assumption though - we've been there a few times only, in a limited area, and there have been only a few expeditions before
If you dropped an alien 10 times into a random part of the Sahara they would assume there is noone on the planet as well
😄
eternal talon
R6B1, R6BX, R6DX, all in the same location.
R6C1, No clue.
R6D1, No clue.
R7C2, No clue.
R7B3, No clue.
that is what we have in terms of locations
grizzled frost
For all we know we dropped into the same few sq km of desert every time
But that's the thing, out of universe - it's not been explored enough, you know ?
So it either ends in a massive last second ass-pull
eternal talon
R6B1 is Relatively. they aren't the same as bx and dx. bx and dx are the exact same facility, but above and below ground
grizzled frost
or is a red herring
eternal talon
For all we know we dropped into the same few sq km of desert every time
we've not been, you can tell from the mountains
LANDMARKS
grizzled frost
or is a red herring
that is not meant to be particularly relevant except to explain the origin of the things
grizzled frost
we've not been, you can tell from the mountains
Yes, but replace "square kilometers" by "hundreds of square kilometers"
eternal talon
grizzled frost
Say, for the sake of the argument, that the desert is even just 1% of the plantery surface.... that's still a damn lot of "different places" to see in that one desert
eternal talon
Say, for the sake of the argument, that the desert is even just 1% of the plante...
indeed
there could be entire underground biomes there as well
grizzled frost
For all we know we are chain dropping into their equivalent of the Sahara
That too
eternal talon
if the allens were a subteranian race
eternal talon
would explain the lack of ruins
grizzled frost
What if their answer to the infection was orbital habitats of some kind?
eternal talon
or orbitals
ehh, would depend. there is an extremely large amount of radiation in that system.
grizzled frost
They would be reasonably adapted, though, as natives?
- using big ass asteroids as """"ships""""
eternal talon
indeed, hardest part would be getting the first ship up there
seeing with their current technology, they wouldn't even need to launch rockets. just teleport the resources directly into orbit
grizzled frost
Going on the space colonization tangent -the hardest part is getting off the planetary surface
So yup, teleportation makes it trivial
eternal talon
Going on the space colonization tangent -the hardest part is getting off the pla...
they did do that though
hammerstein talks about the species recovered from the inner being from different planets and universes.
grizzled frost
And if they have a way to reliably alien-form asteroids to make it livable
For all we know, the system is filled with aliens who teleported themselves to safety into their asteroid habitats
eternal talon
indeed, it is unknown if the meteor that landed on earth was the only escape craft.
grizzled frost
and the ones who managed to embed themselves in Mexico were sent away because they were infected
eternal talon
i don't know about them being the only infected, there is no sign of them on destination, remember?
i'd say it's most likely an end-of-the-world scenario
and just separate groups trying to flee.
the ship that went to earth just happened to be infected before it left
grizzled frost
i don't know about them being the only infected, there is no sign of them on des...
I'm not thinking much about this scenario, to be fair 😄 but i would be assuming that would be their quarantine method - everyone goes up in orbit, and remain isolated there. That would ensure the virus never crosses between groups for sure
eternal talon
wouldn't work though
it can stay indefinitely
you can't wait-out infinity.
it along with the parasite, they can't die when together
well, from time.
they can still die from bullets
the hosts/parasites anyway.
grizzled frost
But the "there are aliens in orbit of Destination" would sure make for some fun asspulls - they notice us hiking on their local Sahara, they realize idiots can still spread nam-v, they decide to go to Earth and burn the entire planet to stop us teleporting nam-v around, The End
grizzled frost
you can't wait-out infinity.
They could have decided to stay up there infinitely, or been forced to
eternal talon
well, it's been 765 years since humans sent the first expedition to destination
and no allens have shown up on earth
(remember 765 is destination time, 85:1)
grizzled frost
Oh that would be the asspull-iest thing ever anyway so i'm not seeing it too serious
But on the other hand, from the alien perspective, if we take it seriously
You sent away your infected asteroid-homes
Your planet is completely depopulated
You don't have too many reasons to look down there
eternal talon
their planet would still be fucked anyway, you can't kill it once it has spread far enough
grizzled frost
Until Alien-Galileo decides to pick up his telescope and watch the local Sahara
grizzled frost
and sees stupid apes teleporting around
eternal talon
because they ain't ever going to get to move back to destination
grizzled frost
I put more faith into the idea that the aliens are completely gone and Destination exists only as a mean to explain how it all started - and provides some cool extra enemies
eternal talon
and sees stupid apes teleporting around
they wouldn't know what an ape is.
eternal talon
I put more faith into the idea that the aliens are completely gone and Destinati...
agreed.
if there are living allens, i doubt its in any numbers whatsoever
their time is done
grizzled frost
Though the whole "they flee their home planet and are forced to orbit it forever" would make for a cool story
eternal talon
you'd think they'd move a bit farther away to not be reminded every day of their failure
grizzled frost
Meh, i'm not so sure
We obviously can't really know, but it falls like a tall order to leave the mother world behind
or alternatively
eternal talon
...
grizzled frost
They would have limited resources for things such as teleporting an entire asteroid away
And so would only use it to get infected ones away
eternal talon
its literally the protoss and the zerg colonization of aiur
grizzled frost
They would have limited resources for things such as teleporting an entire aster...
But i feel it would be a plausible explanation
Say that have a few dozen asteroids with their people up there, and barely enough power to teleport a couple anyway....
Especially with the time difference, our asteroid was sent away long ago
eternal talon
on an unrelated note to power, WRDN being an allen construct and drawing enough power to overload the entire site would be a bit funny as it's not used to petty human systems and their insignificant capabilities
grizzled frost
For example they could have evacuated, realized the one was infected, and decided it was a better use of resources to send it away from their system than to have everyone go away from the system
eternal talon
Especially with the time difference, our asteroid was sent away long ago
i could do the math
5,525,000,000 this many years
grizzled frost
Long ago enough that there wouldn't even be any trace of the in-system remnants at this point
grizzled frost
or that said remnants would have stopped watching the surface
After 5 billion years you don't expect to see anyone on the planet teleporting around
grizzled frost
on an unrelated note to power, WRDN being an allen construct and drawing enough ...
Well, we are talking about something smart enough to adapt to our systems that would be insanely primitive and wildly different, despite its creators being long dead
Feels like a huge oversight that after all that "transformation", it would be dumb enough to miss something such as "oops power supply lmao"
or even try to draw power in a way as mundane as politely asking through BIOCOM
eternal talon
its like trying to run GTFO on a floppy drive
that's some impressive file compression
grizzled frost
its like trying to run GTFO on a floppy drive
More like GTFO decided by itself to run on your 1945-era computer 😄
That's why i don't buy the alien Warden at all
it's either wayyy too smart or waaayyyy too dumb
eternal talon
to be fair, this same hyper-advanced civilization were dumb enough to cause the end of the world
grizzled frost
It feels a lot more credible as a human-made system cobbled in a time of crisis and rolled away with limited capabilities and flaws from not giving enough coffee to the programmers
grizzled frost
to be fair, this same hyper-advanced civilization were dumb enough to cause the ...
Well once they were infected, and we don't know how that happened, it was doomed anyway
eternal talon
because from dauda's research, it would seem they made nam-v
grizzled frost
Ah
Well to be fair
We blew up the first atomic bombs with several of the leading scientists saying there was a decent chance it would ignite the entire atmosphere
so eh
eternal talon
he uses terms like "designed" when describing it.
grizzled frost
feels like it could just haev been a way to point how it evolved to work
Though yes it has a strong bio-weapon feel to it
eternal talon
true, it's up in the air weither they found it or made it
but if they found it,
it'd be so fucking funny if there was an allen for the allens
grizzled frost
Ironically their high tech prob made it much harder to fight it
Since they could teleport around
No physical barrier against that (and that's a + for the asteroid survivors sending them away !)
eternal talon
Since they could teleport around
well sleepers don't really know how to take advantage of our tech, they dont use guns for example
eternal talon
the infected floaters just seem to be able to naturally do that
grizzled frost
Much easier to spread the virus when you can teleport around
grizzled frost
Which is also why i don't have a hard time reconciling the aliens being wiped out versus humans having some remnants
we could have physical barriers against infected populations - they couldn't
eternal talon
grizzled frost
Though yes, that would go to shit quickly now that we released that
eternal talon
well we did, and the holes all the way to the surface really isn't going to make it hard to infect whatever is left up there with the parasite.
and when that happens.. earth is PERMINATELY fucked.
grizzled frost
Yes, and that's something i like as a potential endpoint of the game - will be some kind of "race to save the world from what we released", possibly directly interacting with whoever is left up there, vs Schaeffer fucking shit up trying to still fight the Warden
eternal talon
we probably don't have more than a couple rundowns left
they said they will add back old rundowns
grizzled frost
Yes, that's also why i felt comfortable formulating my theory
grizzled frost
At this point we don't have THAT much wiggle room to introduce huge twists on what is existing
So i was trying to formulate something that could tie up most loose ends relatively quickly while avoiding major asspulls (or the things i dislike :D)
grizzled frost
with an in-lore "twist"
oh lord i hope it's not time travel
i've seen people discuss that here recently
eternal talon
it almost certainly is
grizzled frost
and it pushes all the wrong buttons for me
eternal talon
/will be
grizzled frost
it's even worse than "it was aliens doing it all along"
eternal talon
we still don't know how wrdn got schaeffer
it is a gap in the timeline
the schaeffer discrepancy
because wrdn had him in r4 when schaeffer was locked in kds-deep, which wrdn has us access for it in r5
grizzled frost
yeah i remember you told me about that
eternal talon
might be related.
grizzled frost
And i don't really think of any theory that makes sense
eternal talon
well no theory will make sense because it itself doesn't make sense
it's a discrepancy
grizzled frost
Well, when you say Warden "had him" - could it just be that he had him LOCATED ?
eternal talon
🙂
grizzled frost
but not accessible?
eternal talon
Well, when you say Warden "had him" - could it just be that he had him LOCATED ?
no, he was in a full squad
i can find the text log
eternal talon
it was schaefferlog2 in r4
grizzled frost
Maybe Warden could use him as others KSO.... but he was physically restricted in that part of the complex ?
And thus we had to open that part of the complex for him ?
eternal talon
the problem is wrdn couldn't have even gotten him
he had locked himself in the core of KDS deep
we spent an entire rundown giving wrdn access.
restoring power, lifting the lockdowns, etc
grizzled frost
Yes, but what if "access" meant clearing the way for Warden to physically be able to move things/people in/out of Deeps, but he otherwise could already access the HSU there?
eternal talon
found it:
This is... my name is Schaeffer. That's- (laughing) That's all I know. (stuttering) I don't remember. (grunting) Focus... Yeah, I know. Yes I know! It's okay. They can't hear me down here. FUCK THEM! (laughing) FUCK THE WARDEN! (laughing) (clearing throat) Call me Schaeffer. I don't know who you are, or if it will ever be heard. I don't know. I'm not going back up. They'll be looking for me, the warden. I must- maybe they think I'm dead! What if they've come for me? What if I'm giving myself away here? What if I- Listen... I was in a group, there were four of us. They're all gone. But I think there are others. Maybe you, if you're hearing this. Maybe, you came after us! Or, before. Or, I don't know. I don't know! But there are signs. I've seen signs. There are others here, I know it. There's blood, fresh blood. The air, it smells different. Something ALIVE was here. Maybe they can help me! Yeah, that's it! But how do I trust them? They... have... to... prove themselves! Yes, yes! They have to go deeper. They have to get me... something... yes... YES! They have to get me something. Not here though. They have to go deeper. Go Deeper. I'll be waiting.
eternal talon
Yes, but what if "access" meant clearing the way for Warden to physically be abl...
access is a word i used
the log above is what i mean
grizzled frost
i didn't play r4 so i only know it from logs
eternal talon
its not how, its the fact that the log exists at all
because logically speaking, wrdn could not physically have gotten to him in any way
grizzled frost
Could it not interact with the HSUs there at all in any way ?
eternal talon
nope
thats where 24k of the 32k total KSOs are stored.
WRDN was running with 8k KSOs in total prior to the end of r5.
grizzled frost
I thought we needed access to allow Warden to use the KSOs there because they were actually stuck - but that it didn't necessarily mean it couldn't remotely access to them, just couldn't get them out of this area
eternal talon
r5e1 we go there specifically to give him access, and the entire rundown is building up to r5e1
eternal talon
I thought we needed access to allow Warden to use the KSOs there because they we...
it just couldn't get to them at all
we leave through a KSO freight-lift IN THAT ROOM, through the ceiling
if it had control, it could have had them just use the lift we leave the level through
grizzled frost
we leave through a KSO freight-lift IN THAT ROOM, through the ceiling
Didn't play r4 so didn't know that 😛
But ok it makes sense
grizzled frost
It makes sense how it doesn't make sense*
eternal talon
learned a lot from others in here and video recordings.
grizzled frost
Only possible theory i feel is that it had access and lost it
After all we have to restore hardware to give it access back to it
eternal talon
problem with THAT is,
grizzled frost
Could be that he had access to it - but after all that time, hardware failed and shit
eternal talon
schaeffer himself caused the lockdown
grizzled frost
Ah damn
eternal talon
y'know.. while he still had his memories
grizzled frost
you're right
eternal talon
he closed the doors because he was afraid of the sleepers getting to him, but he couldn't get them open again
grizzled frost
Well.... Maybe it's not the first time Schaeff pulled this stunt?
eternal talon
he was in there for like a week worrying about starving to death before he got in a pod
grizzled frost
I'm trying to put a timeline on it
eternal talon
Well.... Maybe it's not the first time Schaeff pulled this stunt?
he was traveling around in the vents prior.
grizzled frost
But we have that log were Schaeffer talks about maybe being "programmed to break his program"
eternal talon
there are 3 main audio logs detailing his trip to KDS-Deep while the facility was going to hell.
i will post for you.
grizzled frost
What if it's not the first time he's put in a HSU - the first time(s) without a lockdown
eternal talon
eternal talon
What if it's not the first time he's put in a HSU - the first time(s) without a ...
it was the first time
grizzled frost
But the last one, whatever happens to him, he regains more memories, gets fearful, lockdown
eternal talon
he says he knows what they do to you, everybody knows. once you go in, you'll never be the same
grizzled frost
That's what he recalls, though
If his program is to "break the program", things get very fucky
eternal talon
he doesn't sound anywhere near as psychotic as he does post-ksoification
grizzled frost
Good point
eternal talon
he actually sounds like a normal person
kinda hard to belive it, right?
have a listen
its weirdly offputting
grizzled frost
Yup
I just feel it's the only somewhat coherent explanation immediately
Especially because of that "break the program" log
That it's not the first time they're doing that dance
eternal talon
i've asked the devs about it before on a livestream.
let me find their response
"well i will never answer things in a chat like this that you could find answers for in the game itself, i can talk about the process of developing the game and the process of writing the stuff, but questions about the logics of the story itself you have to play the game and look for answers and clues, but i mean yeah that was a little bit of a flex of that first like, "i know this stuff and i know about the timeline and i'm trying to put you on the spot here and point out that there is a logical fallacy"
grizzled frost
Like, the Warden would be trying to get Schaeffe to do something specific, something that involves "rebelling" against the HSU's effect, and tried to do it again and again - until something went wrong (or right?) and Schaeffer locked hte door before going in a HSU gain
eternal talon
not really. he talked to KSOs while they were making their way to kds deep
when all the ksos were going to sleep
when he got there they were all already asleep
grizzled frost
We don't have a date on these, though ?
grizzled frost
So for example the KSO encounter log and the "i have to enter a HSU" log could be separated by a long time
Well his entering the HSU and locking Deep down can be anytime after the complex is overran
eternal talon
So for example the KSO encounter log and the "i have to enter a HSU" log could b...
given he says in the 2nd log that he hasn't eaten, i wouldn't say its more than a week for the entire thing
a human dies in 2 weeks without food
*on average
grizzled frost
Well assuming the weird Schaeff-Warden "cycle" theory i'm seeing here, he would have spent most of his time in a HSU
eternal talon
he tries to go to the commissary for food, but the place is swarming with them
grizzled frost
The Warden would keep putting him in a HSU to "reset" his memories, release him to see if he does ....something..... and putting him back in whenever the current experiment failed
Until something goes different and he goes into the HSU while causing the lockdown
grizzled frost
After all we can see he's not affected the same way as the others by the HSU
eternal talon
i was thinking about the brain melting
but it's fine since it's still being done, but remotely
eternal talon
After all we can see he's not affected the same way as the others by the HSU
ehh, you have seen our characters in the loadout screen, right?
eternal talon
bishop didn't have his independence before.
during ef01
he and the rest of us somehow regained it.
grizzled frost
Feels reasonable to assume Schaeff, once spotted as different in a major way, would get repeatedly experienced on by the Warden - and it would also explain why he has such a personal issue with it
eternal talon
well, enough to think and not act like a robot.
eternal talon
Feels reasonable to assume Schaeff, once spotted as different in a major way, wo...
still, problem is, its before. he is in kds-deep, but wrdn has him in r4.
if wrdn had him before, or had access to kds deep before, then he wouldn't have sent 24k of his men to sleep
grizzled frost
That's why i'm saying it happened other several "release-HSU-release-HSU" cycle
eternal talon
im not sure i understand what you mean
grizzled frost
Say, Warden has Schaeff, tries to use him once as a KSO
Schaeff starts to show sign of his regaining memories rapidly, stop following orders
Warden gets Schaeff again into HSU because fu, memory wipe
Schaeff gets used again - repeat X times. At some point, he pretty much regains all of his memory and "forgets" (suppress? Are KSOs actually aware, like able to recollect past missions?) that he was used as a KSO on a conscious level - though still fucking hates the Warden
At this point, he's running away from sleepers in full panic mode, and upon ending in Deep, accidentally triggers the lockdown while getting his genius idea of getting in to a HSU
Now that's a massive asspull with how the HSU would have scrambled his brain - but as we see, he's uncommon in that regard anyway
eternal talon
Schaeff gets used again - repeat X times. At some point, he pretty much regains ...
no they are not.
grizzled frost
So that's a huge + for that
eternal talon
every time you get into an hsu, even between missions, is another memory wipe
though it's differing levels of time
a full wipe takes something along the lines of 2+ years
grizzled frost
At some point during his first time(s) being used as the Warden, he gets his memories back for the first time - goes full panic mode, run away from sleepers, enters Deep and triggers lockdown
grizzled frost
I'm very sleepy and don't know too well this part of the lore, but it feels a decent explanation ?
At least it plugs the holes
Though heavily asspulled on the sequence of events needed
eternal talon
its probably a plot-hole for a reason
grizzled frost
But nothing that isn't coherent with the informations we have - especially the special effect the HSU have on him
eternal talon
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burnt wren
well, one of the theories posed by <@377548062119297025> , is that there are sti...
To be precise - i posed that something else hunted Duran on the planetside, because "pack behaviour" does not apply to floaters specifically, and the log describes them doing it while the human squad was inside a cave. Like... I just can't imagine a floater(s) rushing into a claustraphobic cave, grabbing someone with those tentacles and just flying away with them. What kind of propulsion system they must have to be able to lift and carry an adult human?
And again: in gameplay they just keep their distance and continuously bombard you with ranged projectiles, they never go any sort of of melee attack. If the log attempts to describe floaters - the gameplay does not match whatsoever and its doing a bad job.
And so i have to believe that the log describes someone else... Not aliens, necessarily, but just a different sleeper sub-species. Like a snatcher, whose stalking behaviour fits the description perfectly, but snatches appear to be heavily mutated humans, with a potential of being man-made... How could there be one on Destination? So:
- The log does describe floaters, its just shit
- The log describes snatchers, but different kind - perhaps alien-made?
- The log describes something else entirely
And with R7 there's now normal, bipedal sleepers confirmed on planetside as well, but we do not know if they were there (there shouldn't be any, by any stretch of the imagination) or if they randomly get pulled from the complex, just like we do.
cobalt mulch
sleeper attacks a human w an artifact in possession, activates it by accident (breaks the encapsulation), zzzzip
burnt wren
what, all 50 of them? we don't have that many artifacts
unless sleepers found one somewhere and keep accidentally touching it
clever night
Sleepers are cat confirmed ?
edgy hearth
Sleepers are cat confirmed ?
if that was the case they would be able to sneak up on me without a sound
My cat zipping through a dark room to nibble on my foot as a kitten while making absolutely 0 noise
toxic wagon
stuck lynx
is the warden a computer or a person?
eternal talon
is the warden a computer or a person?
it is an AI. specifically a decision intelligence that was injected into the BIOCOM network that forcefully took it over. formally known as the "Warden Protocol", it is fighting with Biocom (also an AI) for control of the system to this very day.
stuck lynx
oh ok
eternal talon
anything else? i can answer any questions you may have.
finite vine
is the warden a computer or a person?
yes the warden is mainly a decision intelligence, but more specifically, it is a re-write of the decision intelligence BIOCOM. someone had to write and upload the WRDN program that is currently fighting with BIOCOM over control of the complex. so it is possible that there is a group of people associated with the WRDN alive and working from the shadows.
I mean it makes sense. the world goes to shit because of NAM-V, people track the virus back to garganta, and they harness the power of legion to figure out how to stop the virus.
stuck oracle
Scary monsters
eternal talon
I mean it makes sense. the world goes to shit because of NAM-V, people track the...
Sky, that is unconfirmed and also.. highly unlikely given recent findings.
Wrdn was uploaded October 11th, 2053.
Nobody knew anything about the source of the virus or even where to look until a decade later.
NATO hadn't even broke up by that point yet.
It is seemingly either;
A) an inside job
B) allen in origin
We talked about it quite a bit yesterday while going over logs. You'll have to scroll up a ways.
grizzled frost
First message on that thread from this weekend
lilac island
sleepers are zombies btw
eternal talon
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
lilac island
and warden has a cure, he just dont want to give it to the world because hes an evil ai who predestined this as apart of his plan
lilac island
source: https://gtfothegame.com/
eternal talon
source: https://gtfothegame.com/
the only information to even source from there is the basic character descriptions
lilac island
did you even look
ember bluff
that...says nothing about zombies
eternal talon
of course, i've read it a dozen times.
lilac island
it tells us that the sleepers are zombies who are out for blood & flesh
thats why they try to eat you
eternal talon
i spend pretty much all of my time here
ember bluff
it describes them as "diabolical creatures" and "swarms"
that's literally it
I read the entire page
lilac island
swarm = zombie army
eternal talon
thats why they try to eat you
they might not even do that. the goal of the parasite is to help the virus spread, not kill its hosts.
we don't know.
lilac island
diabolical creature = manmade monstrosity of pure evil = zombie that is reanimated post-death
lilac island
they might not even do that. the goal of the parasite is to help the virus sprea...
and the parasite kills its host
and then reanimates it into a new form
eternal talon
no it doesn't.
lilac island
aint trolling
eternal talon
the parasite very definitively does NOT.
heady mortar
It is not quite so shrimple
lilac island
theyre 100% zombies
eternal talon
stop feeding now
you've summoned him to corrupt my home channel
eternal talon
the parasite very definitively does NOT.
- the virus keeps the parasite alive for an undefined, perhaps infinite period of time.
lilac island
the parasite very definitively does NOT.
it literally says that the patient dies and that the virus replaces all of their cells
eternal talon
at least only the nerds who come here have to put up with it now
THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT BETTER
lilac island
have you ever heard of the ship of theseus? well this is the same thing
the host was completely replaced
that means they died
lilac island
that is how that works
ember bluff
just because you impose an entirely new cellular structure, given the creatures have a PULSE and bioscan signal
they are in a LIVING state
ember bluff
no, by definition zombies are walking dead
craggy widget
zombies are still alive
What
lilac island
because the virus killed them
ember bluff
so literally not alive
eternal talon
zombies are still alive
lilac island
how else would they function then
craggy widget
they are alive
What X2
lilac island
by definition a zombie is a corpse that is revived
ember bluff
how does any magically imposed nonsense function
limbs can be manipulated even when dead
heady mortar
Guys I'm just gonna say uh
ember bluff
zombies bodies are functionally still dead, but typically manipulated in some way
heady mortar
Don't put too much effort into the replies
eternal talon
this channel has been murdered.
heady mortar
It has
eternal talon
we need the #serious tag back
ember bluff
indeed
heady mortar
Move onto some more productive conversations
eternal talon
it is as the prophecy foretold!
ember bluff
I am just waiting for a new group now
eternal talon
^
ember bluff
and for the devs to add a way for me to keep getting cosmetics instead of being locked out of them
heady mortar
Fair
eternal talon
you can't force lore conversations, this is already a very niche part of the community
there will be no savior
heady mortar
I keep missing out on them cuz I don't have the time to organise a group, I'd need to make a prayer and an offering to get that shit done on time. 🙏
still ether
Sam pick me
modest laurel
by definition a zombie is a corpse that is revived
lemme go tell my girlfriend who died for a couple minutes that she's a zombie, brb
still ether
it's true
merry frost
Zombies?
still ether
ig more like the undead
I think zombies are from the grave
bc some cyborgs die and are brought back to life with tech
they aren't zombies I don't think
stuck aspen
both are reanimated arent they
still ether
but in different ways
vampires are undead too
sometimes they don't technically die
like vampires bites
merry frost
They are undead because they are scared of Jesus ✝️
still ether
who isn't?
finite vine
Wrdn was uploaded October 11th, 2053.
source?
sounds like an inside job if that's true^
I also kinda meant that it could be an inside job as well.
eternal talon
source?
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=61513fb56b984806878f46b210d1726a&pm=s
i was rereading logs while talking about the WRDN yesterday. (fun fact, the temperature given in this log of the server room is almost hot enough to cook a turkey)
and in the middle of the data burst, it would seem an "unknown" file was added to the biocom system.
*- 100% of connected nodes primed for Emergency Blast Data Transfer
- Commencing data redistribution
Log: 03:23:49 AM - ALERT - Da3¤&%(¤¤¤a f&a/TR#en!%#%n ^ alert
~ 9A.5f OK
~ %%%ddd OK - ;;Unknown
Log: 03:24:05 AM - <<>>
- Emergency Blast Data Transfer complete
- Data redistribution completed with errors
- Error log unavailable*
I have no idea how i hadn't noticed this before, but it is quite strange.
given how the henrikkson and schaeffer trojan had to be implemented manually, that would imply that either someone was down there near the server room that was melting during the data burst and sent the file through, or it was added through some kind of pulse. (EMP? i have no idea how this stuff works technically speaking)
the overwhelming majority of the "sus" biocom activities only happen after this event in the timeline.
celest pagoda
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=61513fb56b9848...
This actually makes a lot of sense. Although nothing explicitly states "BIOCOM intrusion", this happening 2 days before the explosion with all the odd BIOCOM behavior following it definitely makes this believable.
celest pagoda
sounds like an inside job if that's true^
That also raises the question; who? KDS, or atleast the head honchos, likely wouldn't want to infect their own giga-AI
eternal talon
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=2909f58bdedc4c3a8570f3d6ad3309a1&pm=s
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=1c26ce639b4849198f4f8a1ef0783087&pm=s
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=e93265cbe33f450a85cb5f83fca2d62f&pm=s
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=860f5b5e30304a4fa8f9e554b95a4bdd&pm=s
is after
celest pagoda
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=393c204fd8cd41...
Also, that's exactly a month before the intrusion. Coincidence?
eternal talon
That also raises the question; who? KDS, or atleast the head honchos, likely wou...
given it is... 2 days before the boom and schaeff/artus talk about the geo rising in power (https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=8a2d94159f4b44b0a2f46fa45031abcf&pm=s), it could have something to do with the allens.
celest pagoda
given it is... 2 days before the boom and schaeff/artus talk about the geo risin...
I always suspected the heat was emanating off of whatever caused the explosion.
eternal talon
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=2909f58bdedc4c...
that "power control system alerts" log also is the very first log with a "WRDN:OVERRIDE"
celest pagoda
The anomalies mentioned could be similar to the anomalous properties/effects of the artifacts.
eternal talon
I always suspected the heat was emanating off of whatever caused the explosion.
which is weird, because it was growing in power even before hammerstein decided to go down there and start playing frequencies. it's just whatever he did finally set it off.
celest pagoda
Well the explosion directly followed the KSOs and insight's entry into the chamber. They used a drone to inspect what was within, maybe something similar to the Artifact Incidents occurred. Though instead of people disappearing, it went fuckin BOOM!
late raven
given how the henrikkson and schaeffer trojan had to be implemented manually, th...
I don't think a file can be added via a EMP, but if the system is connected to a network in any way it is fairly easy work uploading a file from anywhere as long as you have access to the network. Or it could have been a physical drive connected to the server inside the server room giving remote access, or that had the wrdn file with coding to upload the file in case of any data redistribution. Or it can simply be new technology that we don't know of yet. It is in the future after all.
night galleon
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=61513fb56b9848...
38.9°C is not that hot? Or am I reading it wrong. It sometimes gets up to 42°C where I live. Extremely unpleasant, sure but not lethal?
eternal talon
38.9°C is not that hot? Or am I reading it wrong. It sometimes gets up to 42°C w...
USDA recommends 165°F. (internal temp)
38.9°C is 102.02°F.
but it really depends if you are slow-roasting or not.
eternal talon
you are the turkey.
edgy hearth
eternal talon
ehh, personally i prefer colder temperatures.
eternal talon
(plays frostpunk during winter)
edgy hearth
reactor explodes
eternal talon
Yea I've never beaten it
I'm terrible at games like frost punk
took me about 5 attempts my first time playing.
child labor really is useful.
eternal talon
also fuck soup, sawdust ftw.
eternal talon
its 4 rations with soup but 5 with sawdust.
downside is instead of discontent you get sick, which is easily mitigated by having an infirmary or going faith path and getting houses of healing
you have to deal with sick anyway, the discontent is a bigger issue. having less discontent means having more barbaric laws.
THROW THE CHILDREN INTO THE FURNACE, WE NEED MORE COAL!
eternal talon
FEED THE ELDERLY TO THE CHILDREN, SIGN THE CORPSE PILE LAW!
eternal talon
*corpse pile too close to heat*
MORE MEAT!
eternal talon
Those who manage the hardest difficulty with no barbaric laws
not possible.
difficulty 4+ requires child labor.
eternal talon
to the mines with you
you collect coal to make heat or we burn you to make heat. either way, temperatures rise.
and one less mouth to feed, double whammy!
eternal talon
Maybe you're the warden
.
. .
edgy hearth
eternal talon
fuck
hold on
good enough
still kinda weird no-context warden/omega doors. they are just sorta there.
you'd think they'd save the fancy doors for important areas of the complex
toxic wagon
night galleon
still kinda weird no-context warden/omega doors. they are just sorta there.
What do these doors mean?
eternal talon
What do these doors mean?
No idea. There is no mention of them anywhere in the lore. And quite frankly, I'm confused as to where the name for the came from.
ember bluff
aren't they just referred to as warden doors
used to be an indicator of a "boss" objective
kind of just a ominous thing to indicate something tough is coming up
they exist for the game context more than the lore context it seems
clever night
I call them Apex doors, but I've heard the name Warden door is due to the warden logo on it
Also speaking of installing the warden, I thought there were logs of a superior asking someone of lower rank to install some stuff around and that it was to be done in secrecy ?
I need to check notion when I get on a pc
harsh saffron
Also speaking of installing the warden, I thought there were logs of a superior ...
Yeah, Andrew Clinton ordered Artus to install the Hearsay system
eternal talon
I thought hearsay was packaged with biocom
It was. Biocom has full control of it.
Though I don't think hearsay was installed at the same time. If I remember correctly it was installed a bit after biocom was moved from storage hangar #4
dense saffron
No idea. There is no mention of them anywhere in the lore. And quite frankly, I'...
early on in this server's life The Warden bot had that logo as it's profile image, hence when people saw the same symbol on doors, they called them "Warden Doors"
Eventually the profile picture was changed to avoid confusion but the name stuck. Internally they're referred to as "Apex Doors" so that could be taken as the "official" name
eternal talon
early on in this server's life `The Warden` bot had that logo as it's profile im...
i remember that, i'm talking about apex/omega
dense saffron
where apex comes from? that's just what it's called in the internal files
also rarely the words "APEX" will appear on the door in the map screen
but it's pretty buggy due to texture overlap and never really got fixed
eternal talon
Though I don't think hearsay was installed at the same time. If I remember corre...
Biocom fully installed January 4th, 2052.
the schematics for hearsay arrive on March 3rd, 2052.
"cognitive stability" @rocky wraith this doesn't look normal....
rocky wraith
"cognitive stability" <@328997209045729281> this doesn't look normal....
that's because it isn't :3
eternal talon
"physical something"
rocky wraith
"physical something"
nothing useful
eternal talon
"cell comething"
rocky wraith
"cognitive stability" <@328997209045729281> this doesn't look normal....
My first guess would be cysts. hard mass of some kind like tumours
eternal talon
these are from the old rundown lobby menu
eternal talon
My first guess would be cysts. hard mass of some kind like tumours
the skull also looks weird.. not shaped correctly, also wouldn't cysts that big be lethal long before they get to that size?
dense saffron
the skull also looks weird.. not shaped correctly, also wouldn't cysts that big ...
they're not cysts, they were animated dots that appeared at random spots on the brain
rocky wraith
huh
dense saffron
Cognitive stability
Physical Functions
Cell Degradation
they all look the same to me
dense saffron
yeah, they all animate on the same cycle
eternal talon
(full pic)
eternal talon
they're not cysts, they were animated dots that appeared at random spots on the ...
but why would they be there
kinda bizarre
dense saffron
they all look the same to me
rocky wraith
measuring brain activity?
eternal talon
ancient gif
dense saffron
ancient gif
I actually just took it from a video
I wouldn't read too far into it, it was so unimportant to the devs that the text wasn't visible for 2 rundowns and then it was removed
eternal talon
still, it was important enough to make it into the game
stuff like the mapping tool didnt even make it that far despite being mostly functional
dense saffron
the mapper got removed because they didn't think it was as useful as the other tools
eternal talon
```
Cognitive stability
Physical Functions
Cell Degradation
```
you can read that?
dense saffron
so no one ever took it during testing
dense saffron
you can read that?
you can grab the text by data mining, someone did it a really long time ago
eternal talon
the mapper got removed because they didn't think it was as useful as the other t...
cool>useful. half of the shotguns in this game would agree.
dense saffron
cool>useful. half of the shotguns in this game would agree.
I agree
eternal talon
hehehehehehe
dense saffron
imo this text is in the same category as the audio that plays when you select a mission, unimportant world building fluff that's there to immerse you in the experience more than it is to progress the story
who knows tho
eternal talon
if you guys can get into the game files,
can you get a high-res pic of the allen sandstone texture?
maybe it has some worn writing or runes on it
i never did manage to get a clear picture to make a recreation of the patterns on it
you can tell there is stuff there, but it's so hard to interprit what is what
here is a template if someone wants to try and recreate the runes/patterns on it
might be useful in the future if we encounter more allen runes in new rundowns.
eternal talon
much easier to see in this img.
eternal talon
no, and it will never be. completely different studio.
still ether
but is slime rancher 2 canon?
eternal talon
does this look like a person who'd lie to you?
eternal talon
what about this guy?
still ether
they have pretty eyes
they look like geo's
I think that's the term
the inside of pretty rocks
but it goes super deep
celest pagoda
i never did manage to get a clear picture to make a recreation of the patterns o...
The patterns are near identical to the portal platforms in Garganta. Look closely and you will see the similarities.
I always assumed the marking was either connected to how they teleported, or that it was carved out when they were displaced into that position. Imagine teleporting something into a rock and after it has teleported, you take it out, and the rock has had the shape of said object carved into it.
eternal talon
I always assumed the marking was either connected to how they teleported, or tha...
its not present when we use the other warp gates however. it is also not where we spawn on r6b1. it is directly behind the spawn.
celest pagoda
its not present when we use the other warp gates however. it is also not where w...
I know, but the markings are identical. It's strange.
Foreshadowing maybe?
eternal talon
how can you tell they are identical?
celest pagoda
Look at the markings and look at the platforms we stand on to teleport from many expeditions
eternal talon
the sandstone has a ring of 3, a ring of 2, and two rings of one
celest pagoda
Look closely, there are indents in the sandstone
Here, I'll draw out a visual soon, I'm currently not at pc.
eternal talon
Look closely, there are indents in the sandstone
indeed, that is the definition of a carving
celest pagoda
indeed, that is the definition of a carving
I know, I meant within the rings. Small semi-rectangular indents.
eternal talon
now you've got me thinking of onion rings
eternal talon
wtf was the log of schaeffer looking through a document to find the problem after he killed maddox?
it was an audio log and i can't for the life of me find it
celest pagoda
should be on wiki, or the notion page
eternal talon
i checked both
eternal talon
ty
celest pagoda
np
celest pagoda
indeed, that is the definition of a carving
Here's what I was talking about earlier. Look at the outlines, then at the originals. Makes it easier to notice.
night galleon
I honestly can't tell for the second set of images but I think it's cool so it's part of my beliefs now
eternal talon
it can't be from ours, we don't leave one in d1, or any of the r7 teleporters.
maybe insight based their design on what the allens used?
topaz flare
do we even teleport in R7 i forgot tbh
eternal talon
the MWP is their tech after all
topaz flare
other than B3
eternal talon
do we even teleport in R7 i forgot tbh
we do, in two levels
topaz flare
i think E1 and B3
topaz flare
well teleporter*
C2 is the only one
with matter wave
and i think we leave a portal don't we?
its in the sand i think i saw
eternal talon
there is a teleporter in e1 that we don't use, and there is a teleporter that we do use in c2
topaz flare
(maybe my imagination idk)
yeah only C2 has a real teleporter
everything else is just us touching artifacts that gets us teleported
eternal talon
c2, and d1 when we use them we do not leave behind anything at all.
topaz flare
or random matter wave projections
eternal talon
also needless to say again, we don't spawn on where that sandstone circle is. it is behind us. i shared a picture before. 1 sec
topaz flare
yes i know
it is perhaps a teleporter for flyers?
i don't think flyers can teleport on there own
like it seems that way
eternal talon
depending on where you stand during the teleport scan, you spawn a different distance infront of it. in this pic is where hackett spawned, for example.
topaz flare
depending on where you stand during the teleport scan, you spawn a different dis...
look at the devs just screwed up the location and you had to spawn on the sandstone
eternal talon
it is perhaps a teleporter for flyers?
fliers teleport inside Garganta. you can see the same particle fx in r6d2 in the greenhouse
eternal talon
look at the devs just screwed up the location and you had to spawn on the sandst...
doesn't change the fact that there is no such anything on any of the other levels when we use the same machines.
topaz flare
ah yes look at the sky and not the ground ):
but i can see your point
i leave now letting you go insane trying to fix it
eternal talon
ah yes look at the sky and not the ground ):
if you played during r6 or if you play it now with mods you can see for yourself
or if you play r7c2 rn you can see.
eternal talon
I honestly can't tell for the second set of images but I think it's cool so it's...
what is?
night galleon
I'm just struggling to see the symbols drawn on
eternal talon
i can kinda see what he means, but still. texture is very blurry on the stone.
night galleon
Why it built like that
eternal talon
Why build what like what
We don't have the slightest idea how insight repurposed allen tech to make it work for them.
We just know that they somehow did.
And that's completely unrelated as to weather or not they based their teleporters on whatever this sandstone circle was
The MWP has its shell made by team insight and they somehow made it work with their tech, or made tech specifically to work with it.
night galleon
is it completely ruled out that humans made the carvings? And thats why it's on destination there
eternal talon
They were studying it long enough after all, they lost one of their entire labs to a physical anomaly with it.
eternal talon
is it completely ruled out that humans made the carvings? And thats why it's on ...
Destination isn't earth. It's a planet in the butterfly nebula, 3k light years away
And their specific version of destination is also in a completely different plain of existence
Separated by the quantum frequency
The allens are aliens, in the truest sense of the word.
Hammerstein even managed to recover different species of creatures from various planets and universes from the inner in one of his logs.
night galleon
Yeah but haven't humans been to destination and that's why there's all the construction stuff
So the humans could've made it, like an imprint of where the teleporting was at some point
eternal talon
The very first time humans went to destination was the ef01 expedition
9 years ago.
In destination time while we are there, those ruins are 765 years old.
Or at least alpha two is.
We don't know when the other sites were built so we can't calculate how old they are.
night galleon
good to know
eternal talon
If it was like an indent in the sand or what have you from that initial teleport, it would have worn away to time a loooooooong time ago.
It's also good to note that the entire side of the cliff is cut out around it.
night galleon
probably makes sense that the humans built teleporter after seeing the carving them
eternal talon
They couldn't have.
Ef01 used one of those teleporters
You can hear them using it on one of the audio logs in r6b1
It plays when you enter that same room.
night galleon
so its just coincidence?
eternal talon
Realistically as much as I hate to admit it, 3 possibilities:
1)it's from the Durant team's teleport and it's just somehow not worn away to time and somehow cut out out the cliff around it
- it's the wildest coincidence in the universe
3)the allens had some kind of standardized system for the MWP and their teleportation tech and when insight found the MWP in the inner, they copied the design to make it work.
night galleon
3 makes most sense I think
eternal talon
Or 4) the markings are wrong/don't line up after all with the teleporters that insight uses.
What are you thinking @celest pagoda
celest pagoda
1 and 3, but I definitely favor 3
eternal talon
The insight teleports have 3 massive beam arms to do whatever the teleworking thingy does with the big swirly fx
*4
the sandstone circle doesn't have any of that.
it's just the platform
still ether
I bring to the table slime rancher
ember bluff
This game takes place in the same cinematic universe as slime rancher.
ember bluff
All the signs are there tho
still ether
I think the only difference is a slight revamp In the teleporter tech, having 4 prongs in gtfo and 2 in slime rancher
but I believe it's because slime rancher has a genius scientist that revamped it and made it way better
ember bluff
The slimes are the cellular stage before becoming sleepers. I mean, look at the way those things behave.
still ether
Tarr slime are just slime chargers. it's pretty clear
hunter slimes are shadows
there's also saber slimes, ig they're just aggro
ember bluff
Hostile slimes is when their mutation becomes aggressive
And tar is charger equivalent
burnt wren
have there ever been a cute game with horrible, horrific, horror lore?
burnt wren
What was it about bugsnax again... Replaced body parts were actually parasites or something until eventually you just fall apart?
ember bluff
well, has themes and premise to addiction too, the island is a cosmic horror and is basically alive, lots of themes of depression and other struggles with some characters.
yeah, it's a weird game to unpack
burnt wren
Hm, maybe Owlboy
still ether
I'd say omori but haven't played it for a second, and have only really seen pictures and clips of it
and I think it is pretty clear with its darker themes visually
burnt wren
most definerely, have no idea what's going on in there but i heard of some knife stabbing or another
still ether
I've seen some pretty wholesome images in omori (idk how to word it better)
also saw a bat with nails at the end and I assume that gets used
fresh gyro
also saw a bat with nails at the end and I assume that gets used
i mean it doesnt really get used
the person with the bat does punch
full oar
?
eternal talon
interesting images during startup.
a full scan of an HSU and the inside of our eye, as seen by the biocom network
full oar
Hsu scan also shows internal organs
merry frost
is that dababy
snow yarrow
btw anyone have the summary about what the prisoner do in R7?
clever night
A1: new Neonate project like in R3, find a NCR to resuscitate the neonate
B1: bring the neonate to a decompressing machine to open up it's HSU
C1: collect GLP-2 hormone canisters, they're GLPs that are much more potent than regular GLP
D1: bring the neonate to a machine that will remove it's cables and HSU covers, so that the baby can be inserted into a geowth chamber. The baby will grow very fast inside the chamber.
D2: Schaeffer hits the brakes of the lift, getting us stuck somewhere the warden wasn't intending us to go. It happens to be the mainframe, where we're tasked by Schaeffer to bring Henriksson's virus to the mainframe terminal and infect the system with it
That's for story missions
B2: is about establishing uplinks (to find C1's GLPs I think?)
B3: is about collecting DNA samples from a presumably sleeper infected HSU?
C2: collect cells to power up a large generator cluster, fog is being funny
C3: warden sends us on a low budget mission to do a simple uplink, but during the uplink, henriksson tries to hack in a proxy, tripping an alarm. The team has to quickly find resources to deal with the upcoming endless wave
E1: Schaeffer has control now and needs you to power up a Reactor in his favor
snow yarrow
got it
Oh and anyone noticed that all the corpses in the mainframe of KDS in D2 are only left the head?
It's like someone left there on purpose or what
realy wired
burnt wren
Interestingly sleepers don't really have a head. So 3 possibilities:
- it's just a horror environment details with no rhyme or reason to it
- sleepers don't eat heads
- when person mutates into a sleeper the head just falls off and sleeper maw is just formed from scratch
full oar
The head doesn't just fall off we can see heads on other corpses turning into sleeper heads that and it's obvious that in dauda's log from r5 or r4 that the heads don't fall off
burnt wren
Well, that leaves us with 2 very boring options
full oar
And it's probably just horror environment details
honest sky
Oh and anyone noticed that all the corpses in the mainframe of KDS in D2 are onl...
Would love to see s screenshot of that
restive imp
Interestingly sleepers don't really have a head. So 3 possibilities:
- it's just...
Head doesnt fall off it splits open into their new mouth
burnt wren
That seems to be the obvious implication, yes.
But then these random cut off heads make no goddamn sense.
restive imp
That seems to be the obvious implication, yes.
Its no implication its literally what happens
restive imp
But then these random cut off heads make no goddamn sense.
I mean are they sleeper heads or just corpse heads cus if its the latter maybe the sleepers or a new variant just sliced them off
Maybe the snatcher did it while well snatching them
burnt wren
Maybe... Would love to see it in action, but alas.
restive imp
Maybe... Would love to see it in action, but alas.
I mean we see snatchers in action its just we dont lose our heads so if it was them they just dontdo it to us due to gameplay reasons
solemn kraken
But then these random cut off heads make no goddamn sense.
Can be for the atmosphere, just like the ripped apart sleepers in the R7B3 ovl objective. Implying that chargers ripped them to pieces
eternal talon
Would love to see s screenshot of that
I posted pictures before. Can post again.. on mobile rn. Will be a bit.
eternal talon
I mean are they sleeper heads or just corpse heads cus if its the latter maybe t...
Human heads. Not sleeper
eternal talon
honest sky
Nice, never had time to notice there was stuff on the floor when I was there
eternal talon
!!!
the eval calls us a Tau
we aren't playing as our squad here.
only dauda is a tau in our squad..
but our character in the eval is clearly white
the only confirmed time when we aren't playing as a member of THE SQUAD?
burnt wren
Seems to be, yeah. For whatever reason I immediately assumed that.
eternal talon
if you wait in the drop zone biocom calls you T-xxxxxx
burnt wren
I think our char got unique voice or something....
Something immediately tipped me off, but I don't remember what.
eternal talon
Something immediately tipped me off, but I don't remember what.
maybe the time when it says 4 sleepers exceeds what you are capable of?
burnt wren
Nah, something else.
still ether
is it that bit where you ping a key while there's only 1 locker?
edgy hearth
*maybe the time when it says 4 sleepers exceeds what you are capable of?*
Dauda saying:"no,no there's too many of them"
Singular sleeper in the next room
edgy hearth
eternal talon
Dauda saying:"no,no there's too many of them"
well we can't be playing as dauda in the tutorial
dauda's... black..
edgy hearth
Bruh
burnt wren
Is he?
edgy hearth
Yes?
burnt wren
He sounds looks middle east to me
edgy hearth
burnt wren
A little brownish
eternal talon
its hard to say it without seeming racist
but you can clearly tell you are paler than the sahara desert
edgy hearth
burnt wren
He is supposed to be African though...
sage fern
He sounds looks middle east to me
he's from Nigeria
burnt wren
Now if only I remembered where that funny country is
edgy hearth
I wonder if we'll ever get to play as some of the other prisoner teams
Might be interesting to see what they do when we do a diversion mission
eternal talon
I wonder if we'll ever get to play as some of the other prisoner teams
the eval we play as ourselves
it would seem we are tau.
edgy hearth
the enemies have fucked off,now just stroll about and take 30 minutes to do our stuff
eternal talon
a sub-group we know nothing about
burnt wren
Make it fnaf spin off, sister location style
edgy hearth
Pls no more fnaf
burnt wren
If we have fnaf level lore, might as well commit to fnaf level gameplay.
We got the perfect setup too.
The guy refuses to do combat and just hides in vents and uses complex comms for survival.
eternal talon
schaeffer almost certainly has fired shots,
burnt wren
They just don't use the security doors like we do.
eternal talon
he was under wrdn and asigned to a squad for a while
edgy hearth
stealth 100 lookin yee yee ass
burnt wren
They use vents and whatever else.
We can't because we carry these giant ass backpacks.
edgy hearth
ditch the backpack
embrace vent goblin
eternal talon
schaeffer discrepancy
burnt wren
Don't even get us started
eternal talon
he did the impossible
burnt wren
We have no idea what's going on with him
eternal talon
literally
sage fern
Lmao
edgy hearth
Cha cha real smooth
eternal talon
he broke out of the most secure part of garganta while still asleep, dragging his hsu with him to a place where the wrdn cound access it.
burnt wren
Inb4 this Schauffer is from another dimension
edgy hearth
How in the fresh fuck
eternal talon
Inb4 this Schauffer is from another dimension
schaeffer is allen
burnt wren
And our real one is still in kds deep
sage fern
he broke out of the most secure part of garganta while still asleep, dragging hi...
Excuse me what the fyck
eternal talon
wrdn has him in r4 when he broke out of the squad wrdn assigned him to.
eternal talon
wrdn only has access to KDS deep (where his hsu was) in r5.
burnt wren
70% chance the writers are bad
edgy hearth
What is KDS deep
Sleeping people galore in very basic unga bunga terms
Or maybe I'm wrong
eternal talon
1 sec
edgy hearth
Correct me shi- lore master
burnt wren
It's where Warden keeps all the stasised people
eternal talon
It's where Warden keeps all the stasised people
not all
burnt wren
Or at least a major part of them
sage fern
Or at least a major part of them
Is that where we are at the start of every mission
eternal talon
What is KDS deep
This, is KDS-DEEP. the Headquarters for Kovac in Garganta, home to 24k of their 32k total Hydrostasis Units, Home to Biocom and whatever else they worked on down here.
we only explored a very small part of it in e1 of r5.
specifically, one of the hydrostasis holding cells to give WRDN access to it.
schaeffer had gone there before to try and find any active KSOs, but when he got there they were all asleep.
schaeffer shut the doors behind him and caused the lockdown because he was afraid of sleepers getting to him
yada yada yada, he couldn't get the doors back open, he starts to starve to death
after about a week, he enters an HSU.
sage fern
Is there complete lore sonewhere
eternal talon
of this? not really
sage fern
Damn
eternal talon
my "for dummies" doesn't cover it.
but there are a dozen logs.
mostly the wiki and notion.so
sage fern
Your what?
eternal talon
anyway,
sage fern
Did you make a video
eternal talon
Your what?
its in the pins. been for almost a year.
burnt wren
No, only tzt file
eternal talon
its a summary for all new people to explain the lore
update it every rundown
anyway,
sage fern
Thanks
burnt wren
Duck does videos, and they get outdated every 6 months.
sage fern
LOL
sage fern
Right
eternal talon
wrdn couldn't have had access to his hsu to get him.
wrdn sends us to go give it access to kds deep in r5.
edgy hearth
I had a question about kds deep
eternal talon
where schaeffer was.
edgy hearth
All those hsus
eternal talon
yes?
edgy hearth
How does the warden even retrieve them
I dont imagine the facility is clear
eternal talon
there is an elevator in the middle of the room
eternal talon
when we get him into the system,
edgy hearth
I havent played r4
burnt wren
Probably same way as in current A1
eternal talon
he drops the freight lift through a vault door in the roof and we leave with it.
eternal talon
I havent played r4
it was r5.
burnt wren
Mechanical hands and what not
edgy hearth
One more maybe silly question
eternal talon
Is there complete lore sonewhere
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=5277cdc6c7b24e02924afbee55be697b&pm=s
here are the three schaeffer "origins" logs, before he became a KSO. they are audio files. this link will also take you to the notion.so, one of the main places the logs are archived other than the wiki
edgy hearth
Since we have seen rather complex things such as the warden etc
Is there a reason why stuff like robots arent sent down instead of humans
burnt wren
No.
eternal talon
though sadly ray doesn't have every log there. i sometimes have to dip to the wiki to find the more obscure ones
edgy hearth
The sleepers dont target turrets despite being shot to pieces
burnt wren
We do see robot like suits around the complex.
eternal talon
Since we have seen rather complex things such as the warden etc
Is there a reaso...
we aren't really sent "down", its a misconception
burnt wren
But they are turned off for whatever reasons.
edgy hearth
True
eternal talon
we just use the system's freight lifts to get around
and it would seem all of them loop back around to some facility on the surface we haven't seen
burnt wren
Or it's the same lift every time
sage fern
This lore is super cool
edgy hearth
But they are turned off for whatever reasons.
Robot pulls alarm
Entire facility wakes up
Robot is ok because haha not alive
how 2 PE
eternal talon
Or it's the same lift every time
it'd be incredibly convenient for every expedition to be in the exact same hole,
burnt wren
Sure does.
eternal talon
though we see hundreds of holes in the game that also go all the way up
from the detonation in the inner.
burnt wren
We I don't see the lift to be capable of side moving
edgy hearth
That looks really fucking cool
eternal talon
We I don't see the lift to be capable of side moving
true, we also don't see how they are attatched at the very start of the loading screen/drop down thing
if i had to guess, it's probably on tracks.
burnt wren
They seem to go just up and down plus that little wiggle room / pneumatics they use to drop us
edgy hearth
That's BX?
I dont remember it looking that nice
burnt wren
Best case scenario there are multiple lifts, each built on top of different holes.
vivid arch
the dropcage is on a wire
burnt wren
The question how how Warden gets us around up there...
vivid arch
i've seen it
eternal talon
here's another one, this one with infastructure around it and mostly repaired.
