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#gtfo-lore
final sentinel
rocky wraith
the conversion from human to sleeper seems to sap a lot of energy as seen in the frailty of the strikers and shooters
Big guys and tanks etc would more likely be grown from the visible mass they have
same with chargers and their type but possibly from a different type of hive given their difference in hive type, (difference between black hives and cocoons(?))
mothers however are a completely different issue
as I believe they were created from project rise/insight
final sentinel
ooooh! Was there a log in particular?
rocky wraith
ooooh! Was there a log in particular?
not a log but an actual mission item
one of the things collected back in R2(?) was a case called pMOTHER samples
rocky wraith
the nomenclature means that pMOTHER are plasmid samples, I've used plasmids in the lab myself which is how I recognised them
plasmids in this state with the name mother makes me suspect that the scientists were injecting sleepers or people with these plasmids to genetically modify them to produce sleepers
the difference between mothers and queens I have no clue, I'll give it more thought when I'm not feeling bungled
eternal talon
Ehh, it feels wrong to give humans a lot of the credit for the variants
They got annihilated from this thing. They can't possibly be that stupid..
burnt wren
unfortunately stupidity is writers' favorite plot-advancing tool
rocky wraith
Ehh, it feels wrong to give humans a lot of the credit for the variants
not the variants, only the mother/queen mother
eternal talon
not the variants, only the mother/queen mother
In your drunken stupor, dakstar was talking about giants and hybrids.
rocky wraith
In your drunken stupor, dakstar was talking about giants and hybrids.
mlem
I still believe those are produced and not converted
eternal talon
we've only seen striker variants from mothers, how'd you explain chickens?
clever night
eternal talon
"a world after nam-v"
ehh, i probably could have done better with this one but the scenery is gorgeous, so i thought i might as well post it.
rocky wraith
we've only seen striker variants from mothers, how'd you explain chickens?
cocoons like the rest and hives
eternal talon
are these AI generators?
no, i made it in Unreal Engine 5.
edgy hearth
I dont think the parasite got out to the world
Just the virus,so the surface life should be dead but no sleepers
eternal talon
Correct.
edgy hearth
Mm
The lore is nice
Woods is now further solidified as my favourite prisoner
we cant expect god to do all the work
eternal talon
Man solo'd a U.S. army base
real pewter
eternal talon
He didn't enlist, he became an inmate and was found in the American prison system by Kovac when they forced him into the program.
One of the logs specifically talks about the aps. It's gotta be in relation to him.
Counterwise though, they could have just directly went and got him once they heard the news about what he did.
Because no way he wasn't immediately put on death row.
Regardless, the only character in our quad that actually enlisted in the legion program was Hackett.
stuck aspen
woods was actually a serviceman
wiki says, game website also says
for the us army that is
woods story goes like this:
- us army soldier, stationed in turkey
- crf attacks in 2047, he escaped miraculously
- he refused his discharge, then worked as clerk in us base in cyprus
- somehow he goes batshit insane, shot 18 marines and then got shot 8 times
eternal talon
Nobody said he wasn't a U.S. marine?
eternal talon
- us army soldier, stationed in turkey
- crf attacks in 2047, he escaped miracul...
He was "horrified by the evils he saw around himself" or something like that.
He justified it as divine retribution
vernal vessel
Ima be honest I think with gtfo
The characters are in a dream like state where they need to get the flipper out
I mean it’s kinda crazy these aliens be wilding and tryna kill those folks
I mean if it was me I whould gtfo as soon as I touch the ground
honest sky
In the final mission we drop until we drop out of the birth canal
stuck aspen
gtfo but endless dropping
still ether
gtfo but lore is dependant on purchasable loot crates
eternal talon
In the final mission we drop until we drop out of the birth canal
Not true? E1 drops with the freight lift, same as any other.
eternal talon
I mean it’s kinda crazy these aliens be wilding and tryna kill those folks
Technically speaking, not all of the sleepers are aliens. Most are infected and mutated humans.
eternal talon
I mean if it was me I whould gtfo as soon as I touch the ground
You wouldn't be able to if you wanted to. KSOs (which we are) do not have free will. We are slaves to the Biocom network and cannot resist its orders.
vernal vessel
Pinned messages
Ratio
eternal talon
?
burnt wren
Not true? E1 drops with the freight lift, same as any other.
That was a joke.
edgy hearth
Good profile picture,cat lover, not new to the server, khorne flake lover
Milk for the khorne flakes
vernal vessel
Milk for the khorne flakes
Yes good milks
Wait were in gtfo lore channel we gotta say something about gtfo or we’re gonna be banned
gtfo is about getting the fuck out
There we go
No ban
edgy hearth
Bloody genius
devout geyser
.t gtfo
ruby lakeBOT
The game is called GTFO and it doesn't stand for "Get The Fuck Out" but rather the feeling you have that you want to complete The Warden's objective and GTFO.
vernal vessel
The game is called GTFO and it doesn't stand for "Get The Fuck Out" but rather t...
Ratio
toxic wagon
lilac island
The game is called GTFO and it doesn't stand for "Get The Fuck Out" but rather t...
Soooo... it stands for Get The Fuck Out
Just because its describing a feeling doesn't change the meaning of the phrase...?
Unless it actually stands for something different (for example; Grab Those Fleeing Oaflets)
honest sky
Not true? E1 drops with the freight lift, same as any other.
@still ether I was making an ironic prediction for the final of all missions that will release at some point in the future.
burnt wren
Just because its describing a feeling doesn't change the meaning of the phrase.....
We call that one: "For legal reasons - that's a joke"
rocky wraith
Soooo... it stands for Get The Fuck Out
technically it also stands for the legion program operative designations, G-genesis, T-tau, F-faulty, 0-sigma
of which our 4 characters are composed of
eternal talon
That is a very complicated question.
Realistically, that would encompass all KSOs that are not suited for training or those infected with nam-v.
They get sent to "recycling" where their organs are removed and... it's essentially a meat grinder.
None of our squad as class faulty as far as I am aware.
It was talked about in depth about a week ago and I don't recall a class F.
Oop, it appears I was wrong.
BISHOP, FRANK GO-1395
HACKETT, AIDEN O-4711
WOODS, ISAIAH F-2056
DAUDA, ABEO T-3701
it appears woods is a category F.
so i suppose it is very lucky indeed for him that he didn't manage to end up in the meat grinder before the facility went to shit.
edgy hearth
Mfw my favourite prisoner is a class F
God needs to give him even more plot armour than the time at the military base
eternal talon
You know, it's kind of weird he DIDNT end up in the meat grinder.
Even WRDN tried to kill all class F KSOs when it discovered a lot of them were infected with nam-v.
So as to why wrdn decided to put woods to work.. is beyond me
edgy hearth
Maybe well see if the new units are as dumb as children or not
eternal talon
Inb4 woods turns into part charger
Woods is just infected, like the rest of us. If Schaeffer breaks us free, he will be the first to die.
eternal talon
Maybe well see if the new units are as dumb as children or not
They should do. U22's dologue itself talks about being 72 hours old so it's definitely using the same techniques as rise.
If wrdn managed to fix that or not, we simply can't tell from their audio logs.
rocky wraith
Remember mentioned in the log that they have literally no instincts, so whatevers there has to build it all manually
edgy hearth
That doesnt make much sense tho, right?
If you have genes,dont you tend to have some baseline instinct
Or whatever
Inb4 I'm terribly wrong
stuck aspen
what does each prisoner class represent
eternal talon
We know for most, I can look into it and ping you in the morning if that's okay.
stuck aspen
ok
finite vine
do you guys think the butterfly nebula coords are really pointing to destination, or somewhere else we have not heard of yet?
night galleon
Why are they all bald
night galleon
Yeah but the prisoners
night galleon
dead people have hair tho
still ether
idk frostty will answer when they get up
night galleon
and also how do the weapons not get wet in the hsus
night galleon
idk frostty will answer when they get up
Wgat time is it
lilac island
technically it also stands for the legion program operative designations, G-gene...
You really are one smart bean
still ether
Wgat time is it
depends on the timezone
night galleon
Yeah but in america
still ether
there's multiple time zones in america
lilac island
lol
still ether
ur so right
stuck aspen
i dont think the weapons are in the hsus
night galleon
where are they then
stuck aspen
i feel like the equipment each prisoner gets during spawn is right after they dropped in
so after they got out of the hsus
night galleon
are the things we're strapped into HSUs?
still ether
have you made something better?
stuck aspen
what do you mean by wildly inefficient
night galleon
like if you're mass producing these big metal boxes
It would be better to just have a one size fits all HSU
still ether
better to have a one size fits all shoe too
stuck aspen
i just said they vary in size because of the neonate hsus
stuck aspen
no definite number but absolutely shit ton
night galleon
and arr they all mind control like prisoner
eternal talon
what does each prisoner class represent
Genesis: "often establish themselves as leaders within a few minutes, as is to be expected with the increased 5-HT receptors".
Faulty: "These HSUs are all F/Infected classification so I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world if we lost the meat, but the freezers may come in handy someday - or at least we may end up needing them as Deep backups or organ donations etc.".
Tau: ?
Sigma: "Behavioral Anomalies", recommend using Tau instead. Knowing things they shouldn't (c-foam).
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=255b2fca66ab443790dc2d010a41ac28&pm=s
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=431cd1850c2d4c6f8e067feaee6da3bd&pm=s
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=e93265cbe33f450a85cb5f83fca2d62f&pm=s
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=393c204fd8cd41508822f660f85f03b1&pm=s
eternal talon
do you guys think the butterfly nebula coords are really pointing to destination...
it's almost certain it's destination. we got the coords in the leadup to 6.5 (out of the game on smc website), so it isn't any new major plot point. the chances of having two extradimensional locations in the story of gtfo.. is extremely low.
eternal talon
Why are they all bald
Hydrostasis tanks basically function as artificial wombs. imagine how icky their hair would be every time they left stasis. it'd get everywhere and be annoying.
also a lot of modern militaries also require very short hair and no beards (to comply with gas masks), so it could be a similar reason.
burnt wren
Yep, hair is a fairly worthless thing in combat situations - the less you have of it the better.
eternal talon
and also how do the weapons not get wet in the hsus
completely beyond us. our backpack itself, let alone the weapons, would NEVER fit in an hsu. it's fit is specific to a human body, not all the other stuff we carry.
night galleon
maybe there is little guy that carry it down for us
eternal talon
Wgat time is it
9:21 EST.
night galleon
am or pm,
burnt wren
We can assume that Warden drops gear separately and we pick it up upon deploying, they just cut it out from game for obvious reasons.
eternal talon
no definite number but absolutely shit ton
we do actually :):)
stuck aspen
surprising
burnt wren
Although I wouldn't mind an FP cutscene, I love those
eternal talon
"Initial space for HSUs (Hydrostasis Units) number at 8000 by December, and a further 24000 with the finalized construction of KDS Deep."
from my "for dummies" doc.
night galleon
also is there any reason (apart from game balance) that we dont just get flamethrowers and grenades and drill through doors and shit
eternal talon
also is there any reason (apart from game balance) that we dont just get flameth...
nope, devs dont want explosives. they said even the mine deployer was a mistake.
burnt wren
Warden still wants the complex operational, all things considered.
Fires and explosives are a sure way it isn't
Bullets are not here not there
Couple holes in the walls shouldn't be too bad
eternal talon
hole in a u22's brain, bad.
burnt wren
Didn't even need bullets for that one.
eternal talon
(yes i know it was a lead pipe)
night galleon
Warden still wants the complex operational, all things considered.
that makes sense
wave clear without a mine deployer would be a bitch tho
burnt wren
At the very least it would be more engaging. People would actually have to fight the waves.
Currently miner is a "wave begone" button.
eternal talon
inb4 r7b2 which first alarm just doesn't have a door on one side
night galleon
I don't remember that lol
eternal talon
r2 had a 9 scan on a1. trust me, the doors didn't last.
any big enough number of scans and it doesn't matter how good you mined that door
clever night
R2 ? you meant B1 Sacrifice with the class XI that got turned into a class VII after a patch ?
In such a big room + one security door that made it possible to perma foam only if they came from the closed door side, and given the size and the amount of scans in the room, wasn't even gonna help much
finite vine
completely beyond us. our backpack itself, let alone the weapons, would NEVER fi...
yet we are wearing our gear and weapons when we wake up and are dropped in
finite vine
it's almost certain it's destination. we got the coords in the leadup to 6.5 (ou...
yep i agree
rocky wraith
That doesnt make much sense tho, right?
If you have genes,dont you tend to have ...
Technically true but your instincts are massively determined by the years of nurturing since you were a baby, instinctive responses are heavily weighed in by your caretakers, parents and so on. A huge amount of your ingrained instinct is from nurture, simple observations and listening.
rocky wraith
You really are one smart bean
mlem ty
edgy hearth
Technically true but your instincts are massively determined by the years of nur...
Yea
True that
rocky wraith
It's explained in the log that there is a massive issue with it, because so much of the problem solving we do daily has actually taken years of observation, repetition, and ingrained concepts. the instinct of jumping and knowing that gravity will bring you down, with talking with each other, communication, body language. Trying to make a coordinated operator team out of these specimens is near impossible without that instinct
eternal talon
beanz has bean typing for 5 minutes
rocky wraith
no, my ego isn't that big xP
but yeah, really interested to see how Specimen 23 turns out
eternal talon
they grow up so fast
rocky wraith
I wonder if it will be given that same language fast track that 22 was given in R6X levels
rocky wraith
*they grow up so fast*
our little neonate
tbh I am a little terrified
That sort of uncanny valley proportions along with knowing that its instincts are gonna be out of wack is already freaking me out
oh god, what if it's vocal chords haven't matured properly, and it screamed like an actual infant. you ever seen the babies in dying light? stuff scared me so much
eternal talon
that diaper thing as you describe it still looks nothing like a diaper to me
eternal talon
i can't get the schlong out of my brain
rocky wraith
D1 rn and I'll show uyou
eternal talon
your picture is so weird
eternal talon
D1 rn and I'll show uyou
i can't run d1, remember?
eternal talon
feeling daft punk are we?
edgy hearth
The units dont seem very tough considering Schaeffer gave one a beat down
eternal talon
lead pipes are pretty hard
edgy hearth
And I dont think hes in great shape cuz food may not be exactly very common in the complex
eternal talon
and given the malnourished state, probably wouldn't be difficult to break some bones
edgy hearth
True
rocky wraith
spec 23 was given the new serum tho, could turn out to be a beefcake
edgy hearth
Osip hormone?
rocky wraith
Osip hormone?
yup
rocky wraith
pls no
eternal talon
goal isn't for them to be bullet-proof, only sleeper-proof
edgy hearth
I feel like considering what happened to the previous one
Bullet proof should be considered
eternal talon
and it would seem WRDN isn't going tank, he's going stealth
edgy hearth
Or blunt force trauma proof
rocky wraith
though wrdns plans may be skewed because of Shafer
eternal talon
Or blunt force trauma proof
there ya go, piercing vs blunt damage types
edgy hearth
though wrdns plans may be skewed because of Shafer
Let's trojan the trojan
Surely nothing can go wrong
eternal talon
we didn't trojan the trojan
edgy hearth
facility explodes
eternal talon
we trojan'd the thing the trojan was trojaning
two parasites, one host.
two puppeteers, one puppet.
rocky wraith
mmm competition
burnt wren
Poor biocom is probably tearing out his metaphorical hairs
eternal talon
edgy hearth
Poor biocom is probably tearing out his metaphorical hairs
Man has a job but these 2 fuckin data dampening core level programmes are fucking everything up
That was a portal 2 reference 
burnt wren
"another one?! Can you mfkers just let me do my job?!"
rocky wraith
inb4 shafer and wrdn are closing doors on each other to be petty
edgy hearth
Next level
We must escape the lift cuz the warden and schaeffer are trying to assume control
edgy hearth
inb4 shafer and wrdn are closing doors on each other to be petty
I swear to god if either of them closes a door on us mid alarm
I'm going to yeet a brick at someone
rocky wraith
I swear to god if either of them closes a door on us mid alarm
you bet they gonna be pinging offf the error alarms
rocky wraith
try to help Shafer, wrdn triggers error alarm
Do what the wrdn says, Shafer triggers error alarm
edgy hearth
Guess I'll die
rocky wraith
hmm we still have our implants, Shafer and Henrickson do not
I wonder if we'll ever get ours removed
eternal talon
and then we die of nam-v. bad ending
how the fuck is this game supposed to have a "good ending"?
eternal talon
i mean technically kovac took over ganganta and are a private military contractor..
edgy hearth
edgy hearth
how the fuck is this game supposed to have a "good ending"?
A really cheesy one would be going back in time and making the mining project unfeasible
eternal talon
we don't know if we can go back in time with the mwp
it's not really time travel, just time working differently there
and only there.
rocky wraith
could still be neat
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
we could be ther ones going back in time to cause the shafer discrepency
eternal talon
that would rely on the destination travel effecting our universe
rocky wraith
bet
burnt wren
Dear God, more time shenanigans...
Sigh, I love good endings, but this is cheap.
That being... I want bishop to shoot that old lady in the face himself.
He deserved that much.
eternal talon
how would causing the schaeffer discrepancy be a good ending?
we will still die from nam-v, with or without him
we are all infected.
burnt wren
Go back in time, nuke garganta for good.
eternal talon
its not even possible to complete all of GTFO without getting even a single % of infection, one of the levels in r5 starts you at 100%
burnt wren
Namv can't spread if everything gets glassed before it's too late.
Humanity saved, our 4 doomed heroes sacrificing their lives in the process.
eternal talon
Namv can't spread if everything gets glassed before it's too late.
and you shipmaster just glassed half a continent
rocky wraith
and i would have gotten away with it if not for you meddlin kids
eternal talon
*and i would have gotten away with it if not for you meddlin kids*
someone didn't get the reference
rocky wraith
*someone didn't get the reference*
I got it, smelly
edgy hearth
Accidentally go back in time
Land near a crucial reactor
now this what overload should look like
Enough fiery boom should delete everything there
RIP to the other people working there
eternal talon
i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if the inner has a mechanism strong enough to disintegrate thousands of meters of rock and metal in an instant, i doubt a nuke would be able to destroy it.
edgy hearth
o h
Welp
If one nuke wont work
Chain reaction time?
Considering somehow each rundown has a reactor or two
eternal talon
and kovac'd shoot and kill us
edgy hearth
If these 4 can canonically make it through 7 rundowns without dying
eternal talon
sleepers dont have guns.
edgy hearth
I mean
eternal talon
you can dodge a sleeper shot, this isn't the matrix.
edgy hearth
Having your local hybrid shoot a full auto tracking gun at you is something
rocky wraith
given the skill of the our boys tho
edgy hearth
I want dauda to cease existence cuz his audio log implied he did some fucky shit with nam-v
eternal talon
corporate blackmail isn't really innocent...
rocky wraith
innocent in my books
edgy hearth
I feel like blackmail shouldnt lead you to being subjected to hell
burnt wren
Fairly low tier compared to the rest, but yeah - not an angel either
burnt wren
Our of the 4 he's the least fucked up person
rocky wraith
given that it was against dreyfus, I'm fine with bishop
eternal talon
he volunteered because he knew he was fucked up and was wrong.
edgy hearth
Yep
The interviewer was so concerned cuz of him
Meanwhile woods,dude decided to embrace his inner sicko mode
eternal talon
went full crusader
burnt wren
I didn't hear that one even once
edgy hearth
we cant expect god to do all the work intensifies
burnt wren
But then again I rarely play Woods because I'm always the client
edgy hearth
I think it's with revolver weapons mostly
Dont take my word for it though
edgy hearth
Honestly
eternal talon
back in r1.
edgy hearth
Noone in my group likes woods so easy pickings for me
eternal talon
now we can't even play as them, we have to use cosmetics to try and copy them
edgy hearth
I just have my woods wear some funky ass shit
Twin blade mask
Dragon scale
Cargo composite
The overload backpack
rocky wraith
still working on getting that overload backpack
edgy hearth
And that overload 6 colour scheme
rocky wraith
just need stinkin B3
versed bronze
I think it's with revolver weapons mostly
Dont take my word for it though
its when reloading after being completely dry
edgy hearth
Ah
I typically heard it when reloading my hel rev in r6
Or my revolver in r7
Thanks for pointing that out
I'll mag dump more often now
burnt wren
Woods is fascinating because generally his work ethic is on point, its that he's insane and attacked people he didn't know.
His outburst still makes no sense to me, no matter how often I read his interview.
rocky wraith
Isnt he the defacto leader of the team or sumthing?
bishop should be?
rocky wraith
woods is F isn't he?
eternal talon
woods isn't the team lead. bishop is
rocky wraith
Bishop is G
burnt wren
I don't think that matters
eternal talon
woods is lucky he didn't get in the meat grinder
burnt wren
Kovac think it does but their personalities do not fif
eternal talon
an unwilling organ donor
edgy hearth
What does the class system mean again?
How fucked they are interms of infection or what?
eternal talon
What does the class system mean again?
How fucked they are interms of infection ...
wrdn tried to purge all of them.
rocky wraith
What does the class system mean again?
How fucked they are interms of infection ...
not too fucked
edgy hearth
eternal talon
Genesis: "often establish themselves as leaders within a few minutes, as is to b...
^
burnt wren
Woods is the perfect leader. Got lots of experience, survived through hell, got a goal in mind and puts the mission above all else.
edgy hearth
"I'll get you up brother"
eternal talon
Woods is the perfect leader. Got lots of experience, survived through hell, got ...
woods isn't though. bishop is the lead of our quad.
edgy hearth
eternal talon
according to Kovac classifications
burnt wren
Hackett is too happy go lucky kind to be the leader.
Bishop is too scaredy cat for it.
I would sooner believe Dauda is the leader. At least he got scientific authority and large IQ.
edgy hearth
I wish they introduced the turret deployment lines sooner
So much more personality
Pls
burnt wren
As far as I'm concerned kovac's claffification is either shit, or writers just fucked up that one.
eternal talon
<:Sweating:842618241401618462>
"I'm worried if we don't solve this issue we may end up with a failure cascade. These HSUs are all F/Infected classification so I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world if we lost the meat, but the freezers may come in handy someday - or at least we may end up needing them as Deep backups or organ donations etc."
eternal talon
f/fucked
edgy hearth
That just seems like a way to sling shot the virus to other people
eternal talon
As organ donots
they didn't fully know how nam-v worked yet.
edgy hearth
Bruh
rocky wraith
Woods is the perfect leader. Got lots of experience, survived through hell, got ...
its not those things that make a good team leader. leaders need to assertive, confident, and most of all have the others trust them. Woods is too much of screw loose for the others to trust him with leadership
edgy hearth
its not those things that make a good team leader. leaders need to assertive, co...
Is he?
He seems the most collected out of the group
Well when hes not speaking to god
rocky wraith
Is he?
He seems the most collected out of the group
He completely lacks empathy as he is a certified psychopath
edgy hearth
I thought that after being mind wiped
New woodsTM learnt some form of
Empathy or sumthin
rocky wraith
nah
rocky wraith
mind wipe removes memories and adds mental illness. Doesn't make them better unfortunately
eternal talon
if he's pure evil he wont go to heaven in his eyes if i had to guess
edgy hearth
Wait
Iirc in the older rundowns
Someone's voice line during stealth was "make a noise and I'll put you in the grave"
burnt wren
its not those things that make a good team leader. leaders need to assertive, co...
And? They only found out in R5, from what I understand.
And either way it's not fucking Bishop.
edgy hearth
That sounds like something that woods would say
edgy hearth
And either way it's not fucking Bishop.
Lore begs to differ unfortunately
burnt wren
Have you heard him speak? The man is 2 steps away from mental breakdown.
rocky wraith
And? They only found out in R5, from what I understand.
Instincts will single him out quickly even with missing memories. Body language plays massively in that sort of thing
eternal talon
Someone's voice line during stealth was "make a noise and I'll put you in the gr...
i'm sure somebody in #wiki-chat , probably @harsh saffron could verify who that was for you.
edgy hearth
Ah
Well thanks in advance
I could check the wiki myself actually
Sorry to be a pain
eternal talon
your not.
rocky wraith
Have you heard him speak? The man is 2 steps away from mental breakdown.
Bishop still knows what he's doing and is still functional and trusted, which still puts him above Woods
edgy hearth
How none of them have died so far is a fucking mystery
eternal talon
How none of them have died so far is a fucking mystery
chad theory
rocky wraith
Bishop will still try to save the others, Woods would happily sacrifice the others to gtfo
rocky wraith
How none of them have died so far is a fucking mystery
They are literal chads
edgy hearth
I know it's for gameplay purposes
But we should really consider being a vent goblin like Schaeffer
burnt wren
Bishop will still try to save the others, Woods would happily sacrifice the othe...
For the mission you mean.
edgy hearth
Dude skipped an E level
eternal talon
every primary, secondary, overload, pe, first try.
rocky wraith
For the mission you mean.
Even for the mission, remember that there have been times the mission has been disregarded to prioritise the lives of the operators
burnt wren
My point is: Bishop had failed to convey any leader like qualities on me. He's jumpy, often appears as scared. I wouldn't call him a coward but more like... He's the most normal out of the 4. Woods and Hackett are military veterans. And then we have the big brain Dauda, who is just kinda there.
edgy hearth
Even for the mission, remember that there have been times the mission has been d...
Has it?
I genuinely dont recall anything like that
burnt wren
It still amazes me that Dauda is part of the squad.
edgy hearth
Besides r7 d2 but those were fellow humans
eternal talon
Has it?
I genuinely dont recall anything like that
a couple of the reactors, r6d3 comes to mind
rocky wraith
Has it?
I genuinely dont recall anything like that
One of the reactor startup sequences failed remember
rocky wraith
My point is: Bishop had failed to convey any leader like qualities on me. He's j...
I think it would be caused by the devs not putting in more voicelines with the new run down, like not shouting back to shafer etc, might give more oppurtinity to express the characters
eternal talon
directly after the reactor there was a biomass surge incoming and we were timed to do whatever else we could and get to extraction
rocky wraith
a couple of the reactors, r6d3 comes to mind
One of the ones before that rundown
edgy hearth
But that just seems like basic info to tell your ops
rocky wraith
where reactor fails and a bunch of tanks spawn
edgy hearth
excuse me
eternal talon
r6dx was also an oh shit, forget the primary objective, but that wasn't for our safety.
that was for u22s
burnt wren
I think it would be caused by the devs not putting in more voicelines with the n...
That too. Which comes back to my believe that writers are simply kinda lost with these characters at the moment.
In fact, in R7 it feels like we are just backdrop character for the real protagonists - Shaff and Hendrikson
rocky wraith
That too. Which comes back to my believe that writers are simply kinda lost with...
yeah, I would chalk it down to lack of voice lines. Hopefully we get more with R8
edgy hearth
Rn it's very systematically fucked up
eternal talon
I'll be impressed
i mean WE are the reason why there are floaters on earth...
edgy hearth
mmm
I would like to believe another prisoner squad dealt with that mess
eternal talon
true
edgy hearth
Denial be my shield
eternal talon
but we caused it
rocky wraith
i mean WE are the reason why there are floaters on earth...
beautiful machine pistol
edgy hearth
I hate that gun
eternal talon
brrrt
edgy hearth
I have bad memories of a friend of mine going from 100 to 0% with it consistently per alarm
rocky wraith
*mmm*
I would like to believe another prisoner squad dealt with that mess
yeah they did, that's why we were running in R6C3
rocky wraith
I have bad memories of a friend of mine going from 100 to 0% with it consistentl...
That takes genuine effort to mag dump that much
edgy hearth
I really dont know fuck all about the purpose of the levels huh
eternal talon
was it? i thought that could have been any other objective. just that the wrdn had another squad go get it for d1
edgy hearth
That takes genuine effort to mag dump that much
It wasnt even the machine pistol
eternal talon
since we kill no fliers in c3
edgy hearth
It was every goddamn gun
He somehow managed to run out of ammo everytime we did an alarm
rocky wraith
was it? i thought that could have been any other objective. just that the wrdn h...
specifically for C3 because of the luring and such
edgy hearth
The team was unhappy
edgy hearth
specifically for C3 because of the luring and such
Do you mean r7 c3?
eternal talon
specifically for C3 because of the luring and such
but we lured no fliers, only normal sleepers in c3
rocky wraith
since we kill no fliers in c3
I think that may be due to level design than lore
eternal talon
r6
rocky wraith
Do you mean r7 c3?
R6C3
eternal talon
r6b1
edgy hearth
Yep
rocky wraith
created the tether
eternal talon
not even that,
edgy hearth
Whoever had to deal with that mess
God save their soul
edgy hearth
turnoff the flyer spawnpoint on earth prisoner squad
rocky wraith
R6D2 fliers for secondary and D4
so even closing that tether hasn't fixed our problem
eternal talon
R6D2 fliers for secondary and D4
at that point though they are already in the complex
rocky wraith
at that point though they are already in the complex
yup
rocky wraith
and still plenty remain
eternal talon
we already have floaters here.
edgy hearth
I guess they found a way into the complex and just I dunno
Memorized the link or sum shit
rocky wraith
I wonder if they are gonna spread and make problems
eternal talon
I guess they found a way into the complex and just I dunno
Memorized the link or...
not really, all their teleports are local. if not we'd have thousands of them to kill any time we had a floater alarm like in r6d2.
rocky wraith
Flying tank when
Big flier remember
eternal talon
I wonder if they are gonna spread and make problems
up the holes and to the surface... giving the surface world the parasite..
rocky wraith
*gotta run I said the m word*
rocky wraith
up the holes and to the surface... giving the surface world the parasite..
fun :)
edgy hearth
that seems like a fuckin horrendous idea
holy shit
whatever is alive up there is gonna turn into a sleeper
edgy hearth
shipmaster,glass the planet
please
Turn that bitch into SOMA
the surface must not exist
edgy hearth
floaters
burnt wren
Floaters
eternal talon
the floaters are infected
rocky wraith
good ending is igniting the entire garganta reactors in a chain reaction turning the entire place to slag and giving our operators their final rest from endless torment
burnt wren
Wtf do they eat
eternal talon
they dont die
burnt wren
Do they even
edgy hearth
iirc parasite just extends their lifespan
eternal talon
the virus keeps them alive indefinitely
edgy hearth
oh it's the virus
nvm then
as long as they're sleeping they might as well not be spending their life span or sumthing
eternal talon
burnt wren
Well the virus keeps the parasite alive, and the parasite is what causes the mutstions
eternal talon
the floaters aren't
the floaters are constantly flying about, using "hunting tactics"
if it isn't infected allens described in those durant logs
burnt wren
Well...
eternal talon
goddamn dauda
the log i posted above was his results from human testing and such
burnt wren
Dauda is just another case of Starship Troopers being right about the scientists
edgy hearth
I have a funny feeling that kovac might have wanted to use nam-v as a weapon
dont like that enemy
it's nam-v time
burnt wren
No fucking way
burnt wren
They are not r~... Not stupid enough for that.
edgy hearth
dunno,if they could tweak it so it's not very contagious and just dies out real fast
burnt wren
Yeah, fucking IF
edgy hearth
I f
eternal talon
dunno,if they could tweak it so it's not very contagious and just dies out real ...
it does die out real fast.
edgy hearth
wait what
eternal talon
it just eats all of its food
eternal talon
it is so lethal and infectious it has no time to fester
burnt wren
No corporation, no matter how greedy, will remain greedy in the face of literal apocalypse
edgy hearth
Are you sure about that
burnt wren
yes
edgy hearth
no
eternal talon
sleeper testing
burnt wren
That's child comics levels of villainy
edgy hearth
people can be dumb
burnt wren
Not even the good ones
Yeah, and them being dumb usually leads to them being broke and bankrupt
edgy hearth
I can't see argus going broke in a million years
SMC built several acres into the fucking ocean
burnt wren
Hell, if anything kovac would try to go in the opposite way
edgy hearth
and the depth is stupid
burnt wren
Imagine the sheer goodwill you'll get from curing the incurable
eternal talon
They are not r~... Not stupid enough for that.
edgy hearth
I'm surprised they didnt go the typical umbrella corp route and didnt try to use the parasite for combat improvements
or sum shit
maybe I'm expecting lazy writing
burnt wren
Umbrella Corp ruined a generation of fictional evil corporations
Umbrella Corp is the most dumb, villainous evil corpo to ever exist
eternal talon
Umbrella Corp is the most dumb, villainous evil corpo to ever exist
the movies are even worse
burnt wren
And people keep trying to upstage it
edgy hearth
yea them just yeeting out every single plague and the number of breaches is real stupid
ah yes virus
allow us to just throw this into the public
it'll work out
burnt wren
Fucking don't
edgy hearth
but the parasite isnt contagious right?
eternal talon
but the parasite isnt contagious right?
we don't know.
we know very little about it
edgy hearth
so using that doesn't seem like the worse idea
tougher mercs etc
eternal talon
also, what do you mean contagious?
edgy hearth
like
eternal talon
its a parasite
edgy hearth
I mean
eternal talon
it spreads by eating into you.
edgy hearth
why is the friendlier version of fuck censored
eternal talon
fyck
edgy hearth
w h a t
oh
What was third company that seemed to kinda care about wtf was going down in garganta?
Insight?
eternal talon
**I have our entire cellular biology department working on this, but so far
little progress has been made. Even after the parasite is removed, the viral
load increases. We cannot stop the progress of the virus, and our only
defense is SCBA Level A suits when in NAM-V hotspots. Even with this level of
protection, the parasites are finding ways in. **
edgy hearth
these suits cant stop me
These shades are gucci
-the parasite probably
eternal talon
basically this, isn't even enough
eternal talon
nom nom
stuck aspen
must've been really small particle then
eternal talon
its not a particle
it's the parasite,
we don't know what it looks like, but it can't be that tiny.
eternal talon
What was third company that seemed to kinda care about wtf was going down in gar...
Santonian: mining company, dug the hole.
Kovac: private military, are security for the hole.
Insight: research alien tech in the hole.
Dreyfus: owns Santonian and Insight
Nyxos: sends custom made parts and equipment down into the hole for Insight and Kovac to use.
toxic wagon
Santonian iirc are the ones who hired KDS
eternal talon
Santonian iirc are the ones who hired KDS
not really, nobody "hired" them. Kovac had dirt on SMC and went over their head to the CEO of Dreyfus. they got to move into Garganta in exchange for tightening up SMC's security and keeping quiet themselves.
edgy hearth
Yea
I think nyxos might have cared for what their equipment is used for
merry frost
**I have our entire cellular biology department working on this, but so far
litt...
thats because the virus turns them into zombies, even if you remove the parasite they already are zombified with the NAM-V virus
lofty warren
So I was reading the logs and the log of stokes mentioned that there is the possibility that Durant and his team could be anywhen. This got me thinking; is there no way that the warden is trying to create a setting where a team is sent back into the past to prevent the extinction of the human race?
I have no proof of this what so ever but has this theory been put forward by greater minds?
Who have more insight?
keen sand
Have we established we can time travel though? We do know time flows fast in Alpha Two or at least relative to us. That just lets you jump forward, not back.
lofty warren
I don’t know if it has been established but the log states that Durant could be “thousand years in the past.”
So that made me wonder if perhaps with an ever shrinking team they started trying to manipulate time to go back in time to stop the events from ever happening
I have nothing to explain this
keen sand
I mean that makes sense. BIOCOM is a military strategy AI after all. The virus and the sleepers are practically an overwhelming invasion. If we assume it isnt trying to do something overly silly or complex, its probably just trying to wipe out the enemy.
It has a base of operations that is infested. So step 1 is clear that out, get more power, clear and ensure its safety. Step 2 is get more info, send us in for scouting, data extraction. Step 3 is kill the enemy. So it knows the Alpha Two exists, and that it affects time, and has specifically sent us there multiple times. Theres nothing else there of use, no territory, no vital resources other than data. So theres not much other reason to send us there other than to learn more, to enable time travel so it can kill the enemy, since theres no other effective way.
eternal talon
So I was reading the logs and the log of stokes mentioned that there is the poss...
We do not know when. That is the only mention of a could though. Other than that, there is zero evidence of time travel. Time works differently on destination and destination alone, changes there can't be brought back to earth since earth is slower.
eternal talon
Have we established we can time travel though? We do know time flows fast in Alp...
We have not. Correct.
85-1 times faster, in fact.
Bishop, who left with Durant's team, was on destination for about two weeks. But to them, they were on destination for about 2 years.
Time didn't skip 2 years when they returned to earth, it was still only the two weeks.
eternal talon
I don’t know if it has been established but the log states that Durant could be ...
Yeah, I have no idea why stokes said that. We have no record of it going backwards. Even, we have a lot of examples of it moving super-fast forwards
eternal talon
So that made me wonder if perhaps with an ever shrinking team they started tryin...
Only something like the allens could manage that. The MWP that team insight has is only able to jump between the two world lines as far as we know.
As we return to alpha two in r7e1, and it still looks relatively the same
Where if it was backwards, it wouldn't have insight tech and the outpost there
And if it was too far forwards, it would have decayed and been swallowed by the sand.
eternal talon
It has a base of operations that is infested. So step 1 is clear that out, get m...
I think you are confusing biocom and the wrdn here. They are two separate AIs. Biocom can't do anything right now since both wrdn and Schaeffer are controlling it.
keen sand
I think you are confusing biocom and the wrdn here. They are two separate AIs. B...
I mean, theres both WRDN and BIOCOM fighting each other. WRDN's motives are pretty simple, so we don't need to speculate much, it just wants to protect the facility.
And ya, by the end of R7 its controlled, more speculating about its prior motives R1-R7 end.
eternal talon
We have no idea what the WRDN's goals are.
BIOCOM's goals are to do whatever Kovac tells it to do.
WRDN took over biocom many years before the game even started.
Schaeffer trojan'd into biocom in r7. Now both WRDN and Schaeffer are trying to control biocom
Biocom Hasn't been able to do anything for a long time
It's been puppeted by wrdn. Struggling, and failing to break free.
Now Schaeffer is also puppeting it.
edgy hearth
I dont know what the warden can even do at this point
Like the surface is fucked
The depths are fucked
eternal talon
I dont know what the warden can even do at this point
it can do anything biocom could do.
what its trying to/going to do, we do not know.
grizzled frost
What if the Warden is not operating completely on its own ?
Intellectually, it feels tough to sell that 100% of humanity is extinct. In particular, people at the top of the companies involved were probably reasonably aware of things going wrong.
In addition, AIs in GTFO don't feel like they're fully autonomous/sentient, more purpose built as an assistance tool with human direction on top
I'm getting a feeling that the Warden could be directed by human remnants above ground as a way to probe into the origin point of the virus, developed by someone with some knowledge of what BIOCOM is/can access (we know from the log where they first discuss installing BIOCOM in Garganta that the details of what it can do are locked behind NDAs)
edgy hearth
What if the Warden is not operating completely on its own ?
Intellectually, it f...
if it's not entirerly dead alongside most normal life
it's probably like sub 100k because the virus in addition to countries going to war over trying to prevent movement of infected individuals between them would do that to the population
Noone really knows who installed the warden,some think that the fahken aliens could have done it
which is bizzare but a theory
grizzled frost
Even sub-100k could still be relatively high-tech and working on solving it, assuming organisations/governements bunkered up as soon as the "Garganta flu" word started to circulate (and let's be real, from real life we know they would do that)
But i feel like it's hard to justify even so many dead in the end
edgy hearth
It's extremely infectious and theres 0 cure
So I wouldnt be surprised if everyone decided to just flop over dead
alien bio engineered virus moment
grizzled frost
We know that it took 3 years in the US to go from 474M people to 302
It would take a long time, at this rate, for a full extinction. Especially since, at this point, people are very well aware of how dangerous the virus is, and they would have started to take every measure possible to stop the spread, and there would be pretty much 0 population movements, in addition of purely having less people to infect because, well, dead
edgy hearth
The resident gtfo lore master is here
eternal talon
statistics given by TSOT in one of the audio logs detail all of human life (extrapolated and given the best possible benefit) being dead by the year 2059. it is currently 2064.
infection takes ~5 weeks to kill once infected, and once you have it you will never be rid of it.
edgy hearth
Humanity isnt the first specie to get alt+F4ed by nam-v apparently
looks at destination
eternal talon
Humanity isnt the first specie to get alt+F4ed by nam-v apparently
indeed. that is what happened on Destination
eternal talon
all of humanity isn't dead, most certainly not. but i wouldn't place the number higher than 100k.
grizzled frost
So it feels not unreasonable that, first of all, some pretty organized/equipped groups went to ground as soon as things went wrong, because they were cllosely informed of what was happening in there, AND that there is a relatively reasonable population of average joes. Not a lot, but probably not as low as 100K over the entire planet
grizzled frost
statistics given by TSOT in one of the audio logs detail all of human life (extr...
is it this one ?
"Okay, so brace yourselves, because I’m about to hit you with some cold truths. The census report of 2050, just 3 years ago, reports the populations of the United States to be 474 million. 474 million people, all ages, and citizens only, right?
The CONDAM report, filed in September 2053, reports the estimated population of the United States to be… you ready for this… 302 million."
edgy hearth
Iirc smc kept the viral spread hidden till it got really out of control
Viral spread info*
eternal talon
the last reference we have for surface activity is the world health organization, still trying to find the source of the virus is in 2057, 2 years before expected total collapse.
edgy hearth
then yknow seeing fuck tons of people dying is kinda of a red flag
grizzled frost
At this point a third of the US population died, you can't keep it THAT hidden
edgy hearth
It's the lore
grizzled frost
The lore is that they tried to minimize it
edgy hearth
I mean
We had covid I guess which was quite contagious?
I wouldnt be surprised if something designed by aliens to wipe out species would be fairly effective
eternal talon
is it this one ?
"Okay, so brace yourselves, because I’m about to hit you with s...
indeed. using those statistics, would give all of america given dead by 2058. given different population in different countries also calculated with the same 5 week infect-kill statistic, 2059 is likely the final date for civilization.
NATO collapsed and ALL countries went full isolationist in 2054.
shit hit the fan hard.
edgy hearth
Say the survivors in bunkers and stuff do emerge after the virus has blown over
You're gonna return to a dead surface
grizzled frost
But it doesn't mean that 1) The people in power didn't go into full bunker mode as soon as things started to go bad, and 2) that there wouldn't be a reasonable population still living as small communities
eternal talon
it can spread by air, water, contact, almost anything, as shown in Abeo Dauda's Human Research testing.
edgy hearth
Also I'm not sure if the cracks in garganta are a constant source of nam v to the exterior
grizzled frost
indeed. using those statistics, would give all of america given dead by 2058. gi...
How was that calculated though ? feels like a very linear math
Assuming the deaths are just constant over years is pretty cheap
edgy hearth
May be lazy writing
But the remnants of humanity will be forced to live where they are
Noone can cure it and they tried
grizzled frost
At some point people are gonna be like "oh hey tens of millions of people died in our country last year, may be a good idea to start acting on it"
eternal talon
Assuming the deaths are just constant over years is pretty cheap
it is indeed napkin paper math, which is why an entire year was added for 110% certainty. @rocky wraith and @subtle verge are our specialists when it comes to diseases and their spread.
i discussed with Beanz a lot while going over logs at the start of r7 while we catalogued everything.
eternal talon
Inb4 the parasite gets outside
it should do after the floaters got to earth,
edgy hearth
Please no
eternal talon
the holes from the explosion in the inner should give them unrestricted access.
grizzled frost
but even then, that's an aside to the main point i was starting with - the possibility of highly placed groups, in particular in the companies involved, going to ground within the first few months of the epidemy, and later coming up with the WARDEN as a way to get into Garganta and try to find a fix
edgy hearth
Inb4 the parasites decide to pull a dead space and utilize dead organic matter
eternal talon
if they find anything to infect up there, they could quite easily spread the parasite to the surface world.
grizzled frost
it is indeed napkin paper math, which is why an entire year was added for 110% c...
Yes, but it feels very odd
If we were talking about a few weeks or months to kill everyone, that would feel acceptable. But literally years to even kill a third of a single country's population, and no slowdown in spread from the lack of potential victims and/or containment policies ?
eternal talon
but even then, that's an aside to the main point i was starting with - the possi...
interesting find the other day however, during the wind up to the explosion in the inner, an unknown file was added to the biocom network during the data burst.
it is probable that this could have been the point in which the WRDN was added to the system
grizzled frost
interesting find the other day however, during the wind up to the explosion in t...
That's the kind of things that made me go on this theory. A few too many odd things that don't go with what is suggested about the capability of DIs and waht it could be achieving
eternal talon
though not certain as the timeline is muddy, and even that isn't 100%.
eternal talon
That's the kind of things that made me go on this theory. A few too many odd thi...
we have no information of the world health organization making it down here.
edgy hearth
The virus isnt limited to humans right?
Could it effect plants and stuff?
I mean we saw alot of normal plants in B1 and stuff
eternal talon
on top of that, they weren't even certain garganta was the source.
grizzled frost
we have no information of the world health organization making it down here.
That's actually the very log that started me on that idea
What if we ARE the WHO mission?
eternal talon
they only say has authorized an [inaudible] to find the origins of the virus it is believed to be located in the yucatan peninsula possibly near the [inaudible]
edgy hearth
Not at all
grizzled frost
Some remnants of top level organizations, companies, and governments
eternal talon
What if we ARE the WHO mission?
we are not. we have detailed backgrounds for all characters.
edgy hearth
We are prisoners
Our backstories were given in r5
grizzled frost
i don't mean this way
eternal talon
BISHOP, FRANK GO-1395
A lifetime ago, Frank Bishop made a losing bet. He’d robbed, kidnapped, and trafficked in a bid for fortune and power.
This time, it was blackmail, but things didn’t go to plan. His target turned the tables, condemning him to years of brutal captivity.
The torture and deprivation he endured ended with Bishop suffering an even worse fate: Hydrostasis.
Now, unable to remember the man who destroyed him, he’s left with only the rage and mistrust that sustained his tragic existence.
HACKETT, AIDEN O-4711
The first person to admit Hackett isn’t cut out for this world is Hackett. Even as a child, his feral mind was a deadly force.
When he joined the military, discipline loosened the grip of his dark impulses, but nature always finds a way.
Inevitably, Hackett’s instinctive cruelty was unleashed on a peacekeeping mission that couldn’t have gone more wrong.
Clear-eyed about his actions, Hackett knew that redemption would cost him life as he knew it.
WOODS, ISAIAH F-2056
Isaiah Woods was a religious man of honor and courage who saw too much.
The brutality of combat changed him from a spiritual man to a ticking time bomb.
When his fuse finally burned down, he went on a rampage and justified it as divine retribution for the evils he saw around him.
Even now, with no memory of the carnage he wrought, he feels the presence of God flowing through him. Some fires burn too deep to smother.
DAUDA, ABEO T-3701
A brilliant young mind. A groundbreaking researcher. A pillar of the scientific community.
Nigerian-born psychopharmacologist Abeo Dauda was all of those things before his obsessive ambition broke his moral compass.
Dauda’s blindness to the human cost of his experiments made him indispensable to unscrupulous drug companies.
As long as they stayed out of his way, he didn’t question them.
By the time he realized the depravity of the people he worked for, it was too late.
here are the official dev descriptions
there are also about a dozen audio logs released around ~r4/r5
grizzled frost
I mean remnants of high level organisations working to get to it, and the best way they found is Warden to get into BIOCOM and use the KSOs
I don't mean literally "the prisoners are from the WHO"
i mean that it could be the results of their efforts to find what is going on
grizzled frost
It would explain somewhat the origin of the Warden, and give it a goal
edgy hearth
Oh boi
grizzled frost
I admit i hate lazy writing and asspulls, so my thinking goes to what feels more logical
eternal talon
shortwave is in 2057
blast is 2053.
WRDN is NOT from the WHO or surface world
it is from years prior.
(when it got added to the system)
nato had not even collapsed by that point and there was zero information as to the source of nam-v.
eternal talon
it would be very very late
eternal talon
Became sleeper food real fucking fast
that would rely on them getting past the bulkheads. WRDN sealed the place tight
even killing some people locked in zones
eternal talon
this man was killed because WRDN locked down his sector and refused to open the doors. he was eaten alive.
grizzled frost
It feels logical that
- some highly placed people in the companies involved in Garganta had a "oh crap" moment as soon as words went out of things going bad down there
- Same with people in governments/organizations when the virus got out
- At some point the virus HAS to slow down. Either from lack of hosts, or because someone decided to drop nukes on their borders to make sure noone infected got in
- Whoever is left up there, especially from the "high tech groups" is going to want to find what is going on ,without the risk of spilling sleepers on earth
- Whoever made Warden knew a good deal about BIOCOM, KSOs, etc
- It would explain where WRDN came from and give a end goal
eternal talon
(also a year before the W.H.O expedition)
edgy hearth
I would rather be ine punched into oblivion by a giant
grizzled frost
it is from years prior.
I know, but i had a theory on it
edgy hearth
Than be monched
grizzled frost
My rough timeline is that
subtle verge
Hello I was tagged.
edgy hearth
Ello
grizzled frost
Within the first few months of things going to shit, some well placed people start to work in a backdoor in BIOCOM - because they need control over what was going on in Garganta. At this point it was to have the ability to fully lock it down (beyond what was originally planned) and/or contain the sleepers using more...punchier ways
subtle verge
Been a while lads. Lemme scroll thru.
grizzled frost
Within the first few months of things going to shit, some well placed people sta...
Then that plan goes to crap, because virus is out, plenty of people die - Warden becomes essentially tossed aside for a while
eternal talon
do you concur.
grizzled frost
Then that plan goes to crap, because virus is out, plenty of people die - Warden...
Then a few years after, most of the world's population is dead, but there are reasonably sized remnants, in particular of the high placed people who went to ground, and from gov/health organizations, who want to figure the things out. They need a way to peer into Garganta without releasing the shit inside, and they use that previously established backdoor to use the KSOs to investigate
subtle verge
IIRC Warden has been around before the virus started spreading, or at least before the virus went public. My memory could be wrong, been a while since I remembered dates.
edgy hearth
Then a few years after, most of the world's population is dead, but there are re...
I could see that happening if we werent making nam-v human hybrids
eternal talon
so, the only companies involved in garganta was Dreyfus, Insight, Smc, Kovac, and Nyxos.
Dreyfus OWNS Insight and Smc and a lot of Kovac's talks were just with the ceo.
Kovac had blackmail and wanted to set up in Garganta to avoid legal ramifications of other things they had going on
Nyxos wasn't really ever in garganta. they just made custom parts that kovac and dreyfus wanted, and shipped them to the site.
grizzled frost
And they had a reasonable idea of where that particular thing came from, because we have early logs about the bad PR of calling i" Garganta flu"
grizzled frost
I could see that happening if we werent making nam-v human hybrids
That's actually a + on my theory for me
From what we saw of DIs
edgy hearth
Ye
grizzled frost
they are NOT fully sentient/capable of full logic leaps/"human smarts"
edgy hearth
I'm gonna be quiet and see how this pans out cuz I dont know that much either
grizzled frost
They are glorified assistants
eternal talon
they are NOT fully sentient/capable of full logic leaps/"human smarts"
the units/subjects?
eternal talon
we don't know the full capacity of WRDN, we know biocom is just a "simple" DI given commands and told to think and act on the best objective to achieve that goal.
grizzled frost
It feels like the goals the prisoners/Warden are working on are "too smart" and jumping too un-linearly to be purely directed by the AI capabilities we've seen
eternal talon
given the circumstances, the WRDN could be allen in origin, given how close it is to the detonation.
and it is an unknown file that threw a ton of errors
grizzled frost
we don't know the full capacity of WRDN, we know biocom is just a "simple" DI gi...
Yes, but that's the thing : since we've not been shown a "true AI" capability, i feel it's safer to assume there is someone at the reins and Warden being similarly "smart" to BIOCOM rather than the asspull of "oh hey Warden is a full AI, magic"
grizzled frost
given the circumstances, the WRDN could be allen in origin, given how close it i...
That could also be explained by my theory though, as the detonation may have been a trigger to get that "backdoor" in, in fear of events suddenly unfolding
eternal talon
here is my previous review of the events.
the best time we have for WRDN injection right now is october 11th, 2053.
eternal talon
indeed, but yet still many years before the source of nam-v is even narrowed down to the yucatan
they were studying nam-v on destination as well.
it's "genome"
or the genome of something
grizzled frost
We may have earlier ones, but for example "Public relations" log from December 2052 mentions the "Garganta flu" as bad PR
eternal talon
though given its the "pathogen genome database" it is most likely related heavily to nam-v
grizzled frost
so they had a reasonable idea of where it came from
And in addition, my theory is that the first people who went into full emergency mode are the highly placed members of the various companies and orgs involved
eternal talon
so they had a reasonable idea of where it came from
they did not.
the world health [inaudible] has authorized an [inaudible] to find the origins of the virus it is believed to be located in the yucatan peninsula possibly near the [inaudible]
grizzled frost
So the ones with a pretty good idea of what was actually going on
eternal talon
So the ones with a pretty good idea of what was actually going on
were insight, kovac, and dreyfus.
grizzled frost
they did not.
**the world health [inaudible] has authorized an [inaudible] to ...
It's a good point, but on the other hand that could be a figure of speech, the good old "could be it but i dunno tho'
eternal talon
insight is owned by/works for dreyfus, so their point is null.
kovac wanted everything top-secret and did their own research with it in terms of the "subjects"
and dreyfus, well they leaned heavily into destination
grizzled frost
Yes, but the people at the top of these companies probably knew what was going on
Even while they were trying to suppress it
eternal talon
yeah, but they aren't going to spill the beans
what they were doing was very, VERY illegal
edgy hearth
Mfw they're still making people work despite infections and deaths among workers rising
eternal talon
Mfw they're still making people work despite infections and deaths among workers...
they even removed the mask mandate.
i shit you not
grizzled frost
I assume they went into safe places/emergency mode in 2052 when they were the only ones with a good idea of what was going on
edgy hearth
The parasite just eats through them
eternal talon
The parasite just eats through them
parasite, but nam-v's the more potent killer
you can probably remove the parasites
*before mutation
edgy hearth
One paves the road for the other I suppose
eternal talon
nam-v is irreversible
grizzled frost
Spent most of 2053 developping Warden as a backdoor for BIOCOM, or even an insurance policy ? For example as a way to destroy the complex if things could spill over on them ?
eternal talon
Is the parasite also alien in origin or am I being dumb
yes they both are.
grizzled frost
And then mostly stayed hidden until they started to use Warden to investigate inside
edgy hearth
Joy
Double alien whammy
edgy hearth
Oh yea I saw this
grizzled frost
Overall i'm leaning on :
- Some people knowing early what was going on and taking measures to keep themselves safe, while doing their "no there is nothing to worry about PR" at the time
- Enough people surviving, about from the previous group or from people who took measures over the many years it took for the virus to take its course
- The Warden needing an origin/goal, and as far as we've seen, not being capable enough in itself to make the intuitive leaps we've seen in our objectives
- Warden being very clearly designed by people who had good insight on BIOCOM , Garganta, and the events inside
- Out of universe, most other things feel awfully cheap or leave huge plot holes
eternal talon
wdym it being clearly designed
grizzled frost
Unless we assume it's a full on sentient smart AI, it's doing too many things specific to BIOCOM/Garganta
eternal talon
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=2909f58bdedc4c3a8570f3d6ad3309a1&pm=s
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=1c26ce639b4849198f4f8a1ef0783087&pm=s
some of the things the WRDN did does not make it seem like it fully knew what it was doing
that first log mentions that if it wasn't stopped, it would have fried itself.
Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down.
Care to explain?
That’s a BIOCOM access key. BIOCOM is a self-governing DI entity. I don’t run it. No one “runs” it. If it needs more power, it tries to get it. Other than that I have no idea why it made this request.
WRDN: override
grizzled frost
Yes, but that goes into the same line for me. It feels more credible to think "whoever is operating/directing Warden fucked up" rather than "super-smarter-than-we've-seen AI goes duuuuuuh repeatedly"
eternal talon
here is what i think.
given the weird circumstances preceding the event, its almost certain it isn't a natural occurrence.
I’ve processed the environmental data collected over the last 3 years, and there is no record of anything like we’re seeing now. The temperature readings are off the charts – way in excess of the variance we expected at 2000. The cooling system is being pushed past max just to keep the lowest levels tolerable. October 8th, 3 days before WRDN injection
these same temperature fluctuations impact the main server room.
Notifying all connected nodes (99.2%)
-WARNING: TEMPERATURE ALERT
00.01A Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.01B Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.01D Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.01E Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.01H Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.02A Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.02C Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.02E Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.03B Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.03C Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.03D Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.03F Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.04A Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.04- Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.04F Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
00.04G Main server room temperature exceeding 38.999°C
As a result, the system conducts an automatic safety measure.
-WARNING: TEMPERATURE ALERT (END)
: IPv11 45.11.93.2E
: Service control (A82.92)
: Update control (A32.33)
: Client server event (A01.91)
: Access point(s) active: YES
<<AUTOMATIC SAFETY MEASURE>>
<<COMPLETE AUTOMATIC DATA REDISTRIBUTION>>
While doing so, the WRDN gets injected.
*Log: 03:23:49 AM
- 100% of connected nodes primed for Emergency Blast Data Transfer
- Commencing data redistribution
Log: 03:23:49 AM - ALERT - Da3¤&%(¤¤¤a f&a/TR#en!%#%n ^ alert
~ 9A.5f OK
~ %%%ddd OK - ;;Unknown
Log: 03:24:05 AM - <<>>
- Emergency Blast Data Transfer complete
- Data redistribution completed with errors
- Error log unavailable*
<<AUTOMATIC SAFETY MEASURE (END)>>
: H35&#%%/>€|+ 0.DD
: 3868 XID
: 3868 VID
: 3868 PID
: 3868 []*
grizzled frost
so WRDN injection being directly tied to the BOOM ?
eternal talon
to its main server room
anyone would have had to have risked their life sneaking into KDS deep that even the CEO of dreyfus said was theirs and theirs alone, to upload the file in an almost-melting server-room, then sneak back out undetected.
grizzled frost
That's a good point buuut i feel it ties pretty well into what i'm saying as well - it's got to be someone well connected behind Warden
eternal talon
so WRDN injection being directly tied to the BOOM ?
the timeline matches, its a matter of days with schaeffer and artus also describing the events
the boom is on the 13th
only a couple days even after that
eternal talon
That's a good point buuut i feel it ties pretty well into what i'm saying as wel...
why would Kovac sabotage their own system?
grizzled frost
So it feels reasonable that if someone developped Warden as a...defense ? Insurance policy ? backdoor ? As soon as the outbreak started in the facility in 2052, they would get scared and act when things exploded literally
grizzled frost
why would Kovac sabotage their own system?
It's not necessarily a sabotage
I don't think Warden didn't anything outright hostile during these events?
eternal talon
the thing thats weird is it got added DURING a data transfer. that's like adding a file to an upload while in the middle of uploading
you just can't do it
grizzled frost
I could say that's a leap, but i get where you're coming from, as we aren't clearly told it's possible
late raven
you just can't do it
unless you desperatly want corrupted files
eternal talon
But then, if it's an emergency?
the upload already was an emergency,
grizzled frost
if we assume Warden was beign developped during 2053, and rushed because of the explosion, and whoever made it didn't care at all about normal operations in Garganta?
If it's designed at a last ditch defense, or insurance policy for the top of the company, or a backdoor, they wouldn't particularly care about the normal operations of the facility at the time - in a "nothing that can't be fixed later" kind of way - but they would really really really want to get Warden inside ASAP
eternal talon
yes but if you have the brains to know how it works to make such a backdoor,
you wouldn't immediately have it try and kill itself
grizzled frost
I feel it's easier to attribute that to a design flow from a programmer out of coffee, or an error in whoever was operating it, than a true AI making a huge mistake
It feels, out of universe, as a reasonable mistake for a potentially rushed/cobbled together emergency measure, you know ?
eternal talon
biocom practically runs kovac
grizzled frost
Also, we don't know that it would have killed itself with that
the log says "Had the system approved the request, the grid would have overloaded and almost every subsystem in the entire facility would have shut down"
eternal talon
when you overload a system usually it implies frying circuits if even a breaker can't stop it.
grizzled frost
biocom practically runs kovac
Yes - and that's why i would point Kovac as the likeliest origin of BIOCOM
eternal talon
Yes - and that's why i would point Kovac as the likeliest origin of BIOCOM
they are the origin of biocom
grizzled frost
of Warden***
Whoever made it has a good idea of what was in Garganta
Of all the projects and infrastructures
eternal talon
thing is though, that log is an email directly to the ceo
it's being sent to piros
their assistant
grizzled frost
when you overload a system usually it implies frying circuits if even a breaker ...
Yes, but they say "in the facility", not specifically BIOCOM
eternal talon
biocom is in the facility
it was initially installed in storage hangar #4 before they moved it down to KDS deep
grizzled frost
thing is though, that log is an email directly to the ceo
Well they aren't going to answer "don't worry about these odds requests, it's our secret intrusion DI checking what it can do"
eternal talon
Well they aren't going to answer "don't worry about these odds requests, it's ou...
then why is everything it is doing unauthorized? unauthorized access logged
correct me if i'm wrong, but one of the levels in r4 was a reactor that we were trying to start up that failed critically and we had to abandon the mission
grizzled frost
Because the people behind it are still doing their PR campaign about the "Garganta flu" being benign (if we assume it's fairly actively controlled by humans), and we can assume there are a lot of people who operate with BIOCOM day to day - enough to spot something like this
And/or because, if we assume it's reasonably intelligent to operate by itself, in the course of doing whatever is the endgoal (or was at hte time), Warden was "bumping" into walls, figuring its boundaries
eternal talon
it's also described as Infiltration attempt detected in https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=6125ce6efbf64c7d83ebff3038a45574&pm=s
it testing out what it can do is most plausible
but if you are the ceo and you injected it into your own system, why wouldn't you set it up so it'd know that stuff by default?
grizzled frost
In that theory Warden is an emergency measured designed secretly to takeover BIOCOM - and rushed after the explosion. So it's reasonable to assume it's not perfectly made
eternal talon
In that theory Warden is an emergency measured designed secretly to takeover BIO...
it wasn't rushed after, it was rushed before
the explosion was a couple days after the data burst
it was caused by Hammerstein down in the inner playing different frequencies of sound to see what effected sleepers the most, and he tripped some kind of allen system and it went kablooey
grizzled frost
but if you are the ceo and you injected it into your own system, why wouldn't yo...
That's where i'm brainstorming a lot trying to figure out a plausible theory. Maybe it's not directly Kovac, but another company that was involved/close to all the projects in Garganta, who wanted a way to peek on in the things Kovac tried to hide ?
eternal talon
That's where i'm brainstorming a lot trying to figure out a plausible theory. Ma...
the only companies down here really are dreyfus and kovac
dreyfus owns SMC and insight
dreyfus and Insight spent the majority of their time researching allen artifacts and destination.
smc spent most of their time being bullied and digging deeper holes
grizzled frost
Or alternatively, if we assume it's from a small circle at the top of the company who had to rush things - they simply thought their super-DI would be good enough to do its job. Or even good ol' human error - they give it a bunch of access/rights and forgot some because hurry up, monsters and deadly virus and explosions
eternal talon
kovac had talks with the mexican government and had martial law declared
they could kill anyone in their isolation zone that they wanted to
100% total control
grizzled frost
Well, if you're from Dreyfus top management, you have the whole lockdown, forbidden areas, monsters and weird disease coming out... you probably REALLY want to have a way to see what's up inside
From my (awful) memory, Kovac wasn't even bothering to hide the fact they were hiding stuff in Garganta, even to the other companies working in there
eternal talon
again, that would imply sneaking into kds deep, finding where biocom is stored, (which we don't know where it is in kds deep btw), getting in the server room while it is almost hot enough to COOK A TURKEY, inserting the thing MID-DATA BURST, and sneaking out. all while being undetected.
grizzled frost
again, that would imply sneaking into kds deep, finding where biocom is stored, ...
Which would only be possible as someone fairly well placed in Garganta, to have these kind of access
eternal talon
From my (awful) memory, Kovac wasn't even bothering to hide the fact they were h...
oh no, they just said "your crazy". some of smc's medical teams got ahold of an allen corpse. before they could do an autopsy, kovac barged in, took the corpse, then just denied anything was found at all.
eternal talon
Which would only be possible as someone fairly well placed in Garganta, to have ...
are you oven-proof, mate.
grizzled frost
oh no, they just said "your crazy". some of smc's medical teams got ahold of an ...
Which is a solid degree of shady beyond their more mundane violations of the law - enough to worry other people involved with them, possibly ?
grizzled frost
are you oven-proof, mate.
We don't know exactly how things happened for the Warden injection, though
eternal talon
We don't know exactly how things happened for the Warden injection, though
your right, we just know it was during a very very short period of time, while the entire room was melting.
so what im saying is the chances for a person to be down there to do it exactly as it was done is slim
grizzled frost
Do the logs specifically say it happened in the server room, at the time, with someone physically there ?
For example, someone highly placed enough could have been doing it remotely
eternal talon
i don't belive so. when schaeffer wanted to also inject a trojan, he had to go to a physical server room.
grizzled frost
The problem i have is that otherwise...there is a huge hole of "Why Warden". I don't really buy "Alien magic"
eternal talon
and that's with the expert hacker henrikkson helping him out
grizzled frost
Yes, but they're doing it working against the Warden, with makeshit capabilities
While someone highly involved in Garganta...?
eternal talon
The problem i have is that otherwise...there is a huge hole of "Why Warden". I d...
these allens can teleport across space and time to different dimensions and universes where the fundamental laws of physics work differently.
its already magic.
not to mention the shit WRDN is doing with the units, @rocky wraith can show you a picture that defies the laws of reality
with a neonate growing into an adult in seconds