gtfo-lore

[rocky wraith]

I'm no professional, and I always have time to waste

[heavy shale]

[merry frost]

I thought there was some cool lore about how zombies learned to bend light around them

[eternal talon]

3 year going on 4 degree is as professional as it gets.

[merry frost]

😔

[rocky wraith]

oh shit it's MaitrePatate

[rocky wraith]

poggers

[livid grotto]

Biology right?

if my memory is good

[rocky wraith]

yush

[merry frost]

@livid grotto what is the flyers mechanism for propulsion and levitation?

[livid grotto]

they huh

use their tendrils

to fly

like huh birds

without feathers

[rocky wraith]

I wish, but the closest you'd get would be the sleepers ability to control strange energy

[rocky wraith]

its like how the spitters home in and all that

strange energy

I call it magic

[livid grotto]

anyways RyK, you are no longer the smartest man in the room

Beanz has more science degrees than you...

[rocky wraith]

0 > 0

[livid grotto]

lmao

[merry frost]

I'm an idiot, that's why I'm into the lore....

[livid grotto]

what the

[eternal talon]

you dont even try wdym

[rocky wraith]

I'll have a degree in a year, then I can dab on the sleepers

[merry frost]

😈

[eternal talon]

ive tried to help you dozens of times but you keep going on about the same stuff that is easily proven false

[merry frost]

No you haven't

You have not explained to me how a mom feeds all her babies and whether she has udders

[rocky wraith]

[livid grotto]

wait ryk, lore question for you

[eternal talon]

the fuck i haven't.

[livid grotto]

do you think the mother has like hundreds of babies inside her waiting to drop them out, or she produces them nearly instantly

[eternal talon]

there are no udders

she's not a cow..

i dont understand why you do this.

[rocky wraith]

I bet she produces them on demand

[merry frost]

That's a good question, I think yes

[livid grotto]

that's some efficient mother...

[merry frost]

@livid grotto why do the bodies of the zombies disintegrate after you kill them?

[livid grotto]

Kiwi_Wave will answer for me

[cedar eagle]

Alright lads nothing wrong with asking questions and coming up with theories so long as we stay on topic

ayo I have do have an idea for it

[merry frost]

Can you please tell frostty to stop butting his big ass head into my questions when I'm asking patate?

😃

[eternal talon]

im still here you know..

[merry frost]

No wonder why people say he gatekeeps this channel

🙄

[eternal talon]

do you trash talk me behind my back too?

wouldn't surprise me

[merry frost]

I just want to learn about the zombies....

[cedar eagle]

There's a parasite in them right? So when you kill them the parasite can't support the body anymore so they disappear since they have been dead as people for so long, you're welcome, thanks, you're welcome

[livid grotto]

oh shit

[cedar eagle]

Guys please this really isn't the place for this

[eternal talon]

the disintegrating this isn't canon per-se. it's a gameplay/engine thing. there is no reason we have as to why they'd disintegrate like that. everything is still living tissue.

[merry frost]

That doesn't explain the disappearance of the biomass though. Like in quake the enemies got teleported back somewhere else so humans couldn't take their technology

[livid grotto]

RyK we don't know yet everything about GTFO lore

[eternal talon]

they never died in the first place also. they are NOT zombies, by definition.

[livid grotto]

maybe in rundown 8 we will know about their how they disappear so quickly...

[merry frost]

Moderator is supporting my zombie hypothesis....

[livid grotto]

but Kiwi_Wave got a good idea

[eternal talon]

the living tissue never dies, it is simply converted. the e1 log details how the parasite is kept alive perhaps indefinitely

[eternal talon]

no, no NO

[cedar eagle]

if they people are taken over by a parasite and the parasite dies it can't revert back to a person

[eternal talon]

a title doesn't overwrite facts given by the gods/devs

[livid grotto]

wtf

[cedar eagle]

so the body can't do anything but turn to mush

[livid grotto]

I personally trust Kiwi

[cedar eagle]

thats my head canon anyway

[cedar eagle]

me too

[merry frost]

Me too

[burnt wren]

I'm fairly certain it's just a mechanic, same as nonsensical security scans

[eternal talon]

you are making this worse and spreading misinformation

[livid grotto]

not cool frostty wtf

[merry frost]

Zombie hypothesis supported by Official GTFO moderators

[eternal talon]

this is bullshit

i'm filing a complaint

[cedar eagle]

I just said its my head canon, I'm not saying its fact

people are free to agree and disagree about things in the game

[merry frost]

Do the zombies need to eat? What sustains their metabolism

[livid grotto]

maybe, altough in some games it's in lore how the bodies disappear

like as RyK said, Quake

[burnt wren]

I can't even remember one

Warframe does it, but never explained it.

In l4d corpses dissappear when you're not looking and so on

[livid grotto]

ye, by far not all games

[burnt wren]

It's one of those things that every game has to bypass in order to avoid performance issues

[final sentinel]

Wasn’t that what happened pre r6

[burnt wren]

Wouldn't know, haven't played before 6

[merry frost]

Bodies disappeared pre-r6 they just didn't have a gurgling sound

[cedar eagle]

it definitely is just a mechanic but I do like to try and give an in world reason as to why some of it happens

For my own personal head canon

[final sentinel]

Parasite might be draining the host of all it’s nutrients once it dies

[livid grotto]

hungry worm

[cedar eagle]

that is how I like to look at it

[merry frost]

Why does the prisoners walking alert sleepers, but scout walking does not?

@livid grotto

[cedar eagle]

I know very little about the deep lore but its a fun idea

[livid grotto]

Ill answer this very important question later in the night

gotta go do stuff

[cedar eagle]

Good luck

[merry frost]

I have found this information very informative, thank you everyone! (Except frostty)

[eternal talon]

you make my blood boil

heaven nor hell hath known the fury..

[burnt wren]

I do sense some gas, but can't be sure for certain

[devout geyser]

gtfo players when headcannon:

[shut mountain]

Alright since there is always seems to be tension for this channel, I will go ahead and remove the "serious" section of the description as it is way too restrictive. People should be allowed to talk about lore seriously AND their headcanons related to the game in a peaceful manner without getting aggravated at one another. The lore is meant to be shared with eachother, but so are headcanons as long as they are disclosed as such. All people here are obviously huge fans tof the lore, but we also keep it in mind that in the end this is a video game, people are allowed to have their own theories and ideas about it.

Now if we could be so civil as to be open-minded to eachother, that would be absolutely lovely.

And still dont throw around completely stupid stuff, keep it close to the game as usual

[burnt wren]

Hmm.

[eternal talon]

why would you remove the most important tag in this channel...

it was my haven..

[burnt wren]

Realistically it will not make a difference. People memed it all the same.

From what I observed anyway.

[eternal talon]

mark my words, without that tag this place will fall into a deep chaos and no research will be able to be done at all aside from completely isolated groups.

the days of entire day-long research into (local) solar charts, ancient mayan/spanish documents, (Destination's) star charts, they are gone.

[burnt wren]

I could be rich if I received a $ for every "lore is (gross oversimplification)" message that seems to randomly appear here very couple of days.

Lads think they're so funny and original

[eternal talon]

yes but at least that ends fast and it goes back to normalcy.

for the past 3 days we've had nothing but chaos in here

and it's horrid.

[shut mountain]

If you see like obviously troll lore suggestions, please let us know still. We will action on those, but people are not going to suddenly go ape because of that single word change. All it does is it allows for more people to share their theories and possibly headcanons and have fun while doing so.

[burnt wren]

To be fair:

[eternal talon]

i've tried to explain the lore to this man over and over but he comes back day after day speaking zombies, and nonsense. it pains a bad image of this channel as a whole

[burnt wren]

Rundown was out for couple of months and we basically found everything there was to find, as per raw data. There's nothing left to discuss really.

[eternal talon]

for r7, sadly i would agree.

[burnt wren]

The only times this channel is alive is when a new person comes in we catch them up to speed

[eternal talon]

we had a lot early on when the multiple world-line stuff came out, but that eventually fizzled out as we milked the topic dry.

it is simply waiting for 7.5 now.

[burnt wren]

..
Which consists of just tapping the dummies doc

[eternal talon]

i miss the rediculously over-the-top research.

what ever happened to daraxus and punk

those guys were great to hang out with and talk to

[vestal delta]

if the R7 lore discussion has mostly stopped then whats the issue with people talking about their less grounded theories for fun

if you really enjoy the super indepth discussions and all that maybe you should make a server specifically for that, like the one rav has

[burnt wren]

Well, Frosty had made it clear numerous times that he takes lore very seriously and will not let any unsupported claims slide

[eternal talon]

issue'd be nobody would ever go there, hell, most rarely even find this channel in regards to gtfo-lore.

[clever night]

The issue is that Ryk is intentionally trolling Frostty to get a reaction off of them

[eternal talon]

i see countless posts asking about it on the reddit and yt claiming to not be able to find anything

[shut mountain]

That's more so the game's fault

[eternal talon]

wdym the one rav has??

[cedar eagle]

I would

[burnt wren]

Ah, you noticed it too

[shut mountain]

Having your own lore be deleted and having to rely on a discord server for it is bad

[vestal delta]

#hc-other message

[clever night]

Oh, nice, i'll join

[final sentinel]

Man I need to check HC more often

[shut mountain]

I need to keep the archives up to date, just collecting recordings rn

for context and such

Its barren from R7 stuff rn, dont bother for now

[harsh saffron]

2 ppl join the server

[vestal delta]

youre welcome rav

[clever night]

make that 3

[final sentinel]

4

[harsh saffron]

this is getting out of hand, now there's 4 of them!

[shut mountain]

Bruh, Ill actually have to keep it up to date then. If anyone at any point has recordings of their GTFO runs that contain important story context, let me know cause I am collecting them

Its great that we save logs and audios, but context within expeditions gets lost without recordings

Huge issue

[eternal talon]

i posted videos in here of the voice bits in r7b1...

a while ago

let me see if i can find them

[clever night]

You'd be interested to have a recording of D1's ending with the baby growth chamber then

[harsh saffron]

Depending on how they bring back old rundowns, this might not be too bad in the future

[shut mountain]

Yes, very much so

[clever night]

I wish i had better graphics tho, cause I either record at almost 60 fps or it's gonna be 20 but high res

And I believe max texture qualities for that kind of recording would be preferable

[shut mountain]

I need gameplay itself So people can tie the door logs to situations and actions, how certain things look like...etc.

[merry frost]

Me asking my friend patate is trolling frostty?

[burnt wren]

Yes.

You can ask him in DMs.

[eternal talon]

its not even that, it's the fact that all the info asked/given is wildly inaccurate/out of date

[clever night]

Come on you asked multiple times the previous days and you weren't asking patate directly at first

[merry frost]

Yes I can, you can also just discuss lore in a group chat, bad argument

[clever night]

And I won't even go other the fact that you incited the other guy to post the anime armpit in this channel which got swiftly handled by moderators

[merry frost]

Hehehehe ok that's true

[vestal delta]

ok well someone say a stupid gtfo theory to get this channel back on topic

just not ape theory

anything but that

[clever night]

yes sorry:
Snatchers: are they the results of human experiments ?

[vestal delta]

experiments done on humans or experiments done by humans

[eternal talon]

it would seem likely. though to what extent we don't know

[eternal talon]

most likely both

[clear elm]

so is: your mom

[clever night]

Both

[vestal delta]

thats fair

[eternal talon]

the holding cage where we encounter them is human in design, and well the creature is undoubtedly human in origin.

[clever night]

true

[eternal talon]

only weird thing is we only find the one holding cell, yet we encounter a great many during the finale of that level

and even more in the overload of d1.

[clever night]

This room has a lot of environmental story telling but appart from that nothing else mentions snatchers so I was thinking about it

[eternal talon]

the mountains of dead kovac personnel right as you enter the zone does indeed tell a tale.

[clever night]

I love this room

[eternal talon]

we've seen testing in a similar vat before with a very wrinkly striker.

so who knows.

maybe it was captured, maybe it was engineered.

[burnt wren]

Why the fuck would they though.

Not like there's a fucking epidemic going on.

[eternal talon]

i have no idea. there are so many of them

r6c2 was full of dozens of them

[final sentinel]

Why would we engineer dino’s? Because we can is my guess

[burnt wren]

These priorities are so fucked up that they cannot be true.

[eternal talon]

pictures don't lie, it is only the intensions we can try and guess at.

[burnt wren]

Yes, but not when humanity is literally coofing itself to death million a day

[rocky wraith]

I think this testing room is for testing the GLP-2 canisters given their proximity.

I think the snatchers are unrelated

[eternal talon]

not really dinos. the allens and their meteor is completely unrelated to the dinosaurs other than the fact that their ship crashing into the yucatan wiped them out.

[final sentinel]

I was comparing to Jurassic Park

[eternal talon]

we don't encounter any GLPs at all in r6 though

[rocky wraith]

In R7C1

[final sentinel]

The intention of creating something or reviving something just because we have the ability to

[eternal talon]

only PiDs in d3

[burnt wren]

"humanity might go extinct tomorrow and my loved ones are dying slowly... Let me create a super mutant what, a good use of my last minutes in earth!"

[rocky wraith]

the previous objective is acquiring glp-2s

[eternal talon]

yes, but we don't know how far that site is from this

you'd have to have a copy of wait...

well,

[rocky wraith]

Literally one security door away...

[final sentinel]

Maybe they were trying to mutate people to resist NAM-V

[eternal talon]

fuck. you'd have to have a screenshot of the level screen to see the depth to compare.

[eternal talon]

wdym?

[burnt wren]

That is the best guess, actually.

After all, it worked for neonates.

[rocky wraith]

In R7C1 you acquire the 9 GLP-2 canisters before entering the snatcher room

[eternal talon]

for the wrdn, kovac never figured it out in the end.

[burnt wren]

Maybe... What if snatcher is a fucked up neonate?

[eternal talon]

yes but i.. maybe i'm confused

[burnt wren]

Would explain the unusual mutation pattern.

[eternal talon]

i thought we were talking about this zone in r6.

[rocky wraith]

this is in C1

[eternal talon]

yes. i was talking about this zone in r6c2

[rocky wraith]

What are you wondering about it?

[eternal talon]

i don't remember.

[rocky wraith]

these formaldahyde tanks are all over the complex, literally in nearly every mission with a labs tileset

[eternal talon]

anyway, it's weird with the teleporters. (don't have a pic of e1 teleporter pad) that only one of them has these strange allen.. something or other on the cables.

[burnt wren]

I'd call them "runes"

[eternal talon]

that's what i did aswell.

i remember we having a long talk about it before and you convinced me otherwise, i dunno

they weirdly move and shift around the cables.

hard to capture the animation and description of it with a jpg

so many things in relation to the allens are complete mysteries.

we have in-game; runes on cables, a giant sandstone rock with carvings in it, and the funky looking artifacts we collect to get boosters.

[rocky wraith]

The liquid could be coolant and the cables are constantly icing and deicing because of the temp fluctuations

[eternal talon]

and i guess the data cubes but i don't know how much of the appearance of those have been changed due to insight's meddling like the MWP was

[eternal talon]

its on the outside of the cables

[rocky wraith]

yes, where icing would occur

[eternal talon]

but would it glow green like that?

and icing doesn't usually move

[rocky wraith]

changing states does release energy and water in many situations produces light

depending on the coolant it could be something like the chernokov effect(?)

[eternal talon]

what the fuck kind of sleeper is this? this looks like some kind of gargantuan cyst more than a sleeper.

[rocky wraith]

we discussed this a while back

[final sentinel]

Beginning of a spitter mayhap?

[rocky wraith]

these are placentas

[final sentinel]

Oh

Nevermind then

[eternal talon]

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[rocky wraith]

if you look at the big tanks you'll notice how these placentas originate the growth of multiple sleepers

where all their umbilicals tie back to it

[eternal talon]

the ceiling stuff in respawn rooms looks completely different though

[final sentinel]

Maybe related to birthers in some way

[eternal talon]

fuck, even the mother stuff is more like blobs than anything natural

[rocky wraith]

I believe so

[rocky wraith]

That's because the cielings are embryonic sacks, not placentas

[eternal talon]

oh beanz, did you see the calcified wood/tree stuff i found the other day?

[rocky wraith]

Oh?

[rocky wraith]

oooooo

[clever night]

re: teleporter pad cables: Do you think C2 SEC's pad should have them too ? I'm kinda bored so I'd be up for some chill C2 run to go check the pad and get a recording, along with the Destination part of that level

[eternal talon]

also a lake witch is kinda important

and a parasite!!?? (maybe)

[burnt wren]

I do think / hope it's a parasite. It looks too perfect.

[eternal talon]

it weirdly doesn't look like the intestines

[rocky wraith]

yoooooo

[eternal talon]

which was the previous theory that was most popular

[rocky wraith]

is this an actual prop?

[final sentinel]

It might be the large intestine

[rocky wraith]

or a sleeper?

[eternal talon]

in the warehouse

its a level prop

i didn't shoot it.

it was dead when i got there

[final sentinel]

It was in CX as well

[rocky wraith]

disproven now, the large intestines are visable at the bottom

[rocky wraith]

thats amazing

that answers so much

[eternal talon]

yes but new questions..

[final sentinel]

Oh the “tongue”?

[eternal talon]

how did something that big, and that many, eat through a hazmat suit

you'd be practically swimming in them

[rocky wraith]

yup

[rocky wraith]

I don't think its the parasite

[eternal talon]

well what is it

[final sentinel]

My weird thought was if the esophagus somehow disconnected itself from the stomach

[eternal talon]

because that shit clearly ain't natural

[rocky wraith]

tongue

[final sentinel]

Because the esophagus is very muscular

[eternal talon]

your tongue doesn't usually have a hole in it, i hope

we aren't xenomorphs

[hazy ether]

What about those people who get their tongues pierced

[rocky wraith]

not usually, but the tongue is the strongest muscle in the body with the most conscious control over it

I believe the hole is an adaption by the parasite/virus

But also interestingly enough, the EGGS

those cyst looking things

[eternal talon]

here

^ are the eggs

[final sentinel]

I thought esophagus because in ShiftAC’s cinematic videos there’s a really good shot of a big striker tongue “unfolding” out of a big

[eternal talon]

(remember no heat sigs)

[rocky wraith]

they aren't cysts because of the vascularisation

[rocky wraith]

yeee

[final sentinel]

Beanz are you a bio major?

Or something near that field?

[rocky wraith]

entering my 4th year of molecular and cellular biology

[final sentinel]

Ah

3rd year of CET

[rocky wraith]

CET?

[eternal talon]

also smoke coming from the top of a mountain, though i forgot to go through and get another picture to confirm it last time in ran b3

[final sentinel]

Computer engineering technology

[rocky wraith]

nice!

[final sentinel]

U too!

Dw I’m a hack-engineer

[rocky wraith]

Active volcano or something burning?

[rocky wraith]

lol

[eternal talon]

nobody calls themselves a fucking hacker -henriksson

[rocky wraith]

one day I might be a biohacker lol

[eternal talon]

your an engineer

[rocky wraith]

bioengineer

[final sentinel]

By our powers combined

[rocky wraith]

honestly, huge options available in bioinformatics

hella impressive field

[eternal talon]

the random scattered heads on the floor with no bodies in d2 is so.. strange.

[still ether]

so no head?

[eternal talon]

only heads

[rocky wraith]

all head

[eternal talon]

no bodies

[rocky wraith]

no sleepers?

[final sentinel]

I mean Kovac area right?

KDS last stand at BIOCOM mainframe?

[rocky wraith]

yup

[rocky wraith]

possibly

[eternal talon]

you'd think there'd be way more bodies than that

[rocky wraith]

already dragged away

[eternal talon]

also they counda just shut the GIIANT door

[final sentinel]

I mean, if the sleepers disentigrate

[eternal talon]

they dont, at least not canonically speaking

we find corpses of them ourselves.

[still ether]

I relate to those images

[eternal talon]

it's kinda weird we don't find any guns down here

not even random turrets that are bone-dry on ammo.

[still ether]

biodegradable equipment?

[eternal talon]

not likely. a lot of modern-grade weapons are made with steel or plastics

[still ether]

utility that just puffs into fog and dust

[burnt wren]

Just lazy devs, simple as

I'm surprised they haven't done a room of "defense gone wrong"

[eternal talon]

these sand dunes are unusally shiny

[rocky wraith]

sand is highly reflective

might be ultrafine or something

definitely below water at some point I think due to the similarities of it to American mountain deserts(?)

[final sentinel]

Got me thinking

What if the kraken can burrow

[eternal talon]

it could do.

but honestly to me it oddly enough looks like a giant cuttlefish

[final sentinel]

Actually yeah it can change its color like one too

Except cuttlefish cant shoot energy missiles

[eternal talon]

cuttlefish also can't fly.

[final sentinel]

True

[still ether]

technically just swimming in air

or something like that

[eternal talon]

I don't know. I only have the one picture. I didn't notice it until way after the level

[rocky wraith]

terrifying

[rocky wraith]

we'll have to take a look at some point

[final sentinel]

wait a minute

after we dropped it down what if it just burrowed

oh lord

[eternal talon]

Sand worms from dune, did I guess right?

[final sentinel]

?

what?

[rocky wraith]

No sound of it hitting the ground

[eternal talon]

Oh, nothing. I just thought that's where you were going with that. I was wrong.

[rocky wraith]

and there were a lot of tentacles

[eternal talon]

Over the edge of the cliff is nothing but air also. We don't see the ground at all, sadly

I remember trying to look for any landmarks to figure out where d1 was but I found nothing back then

It's just all skybox, even below.

[rocky wraith]

huh

[eternal talon]

You can't see the bottoms of the tentacles either

So for all intense and purposes model aside, it may not be flying

Just reaaaaaally tall.

But again, that could just be my render distance

I usually only run at medium when I'm not going out of my way to get pictures

And it's not like I can go back and check right now.

So could be 100% wrong on the above.

[south lake]

The disintegration is mainly a performance-saving measure.

Ragdolled corpses are EXPENSIVE on system resources, especially when there's shitloads of them

Deleting a body and playing a disintegrate effect in the same frame is much cheaper

While still keeping immersion at least somewhat intact

Rather than having them just pop out of existence

[clever night]

if you're wondering, physically in the game, the bossfight takes place above the whole level

But yeah you can't see anything

[night galleon]

do you think they have minecraft in gtfo

in the lore

[solar nova]

We do be on Earth.

So yes.

[night galleon]

do you think miencraft 2 was released

At some point

[edgy hearth]

Wasnt it just protruding out of the ground

Seemed like a limb instead of a whole creature
Or I could be tripping

[eternal talon]

i had posted pictures of the skybox below in here before. i don't know about how much of the model you can see but i am 100% certain you do not see any ground or anything for that matter below the cliff.

[edgy hearth]

Hm

Cuz it kinda just

Goes down vertically

[eternal talon]

down into the fog, and out of view

[edgy hearth]

Yean

[eternal talon]

d1 is at the peak of a mountain that we have no location for

at least we know alpha two and alpha three are relatively close to eachother, close enough you can tell the mountains in the distance match.

[edgy hearth]

How they built all those facilities with those flyers around is beyond me

[edgy hearth]

I learn something new

[eternal talon]

they had a LOT of time

destination is 85 times faster than our time.

[edgy hearth]

True
But dont the flyers kinda live there

[eternal talon]

between ef01 and right NOW, it has been 9 years earth-time, but 765 years destination time.

[edgy hearth]

I havent actually delved into flyers so far

[eternal talon]

they do. they are infected native fauna.

[edgy hearth]

Ah

For a small while I though they were the aliens

Considering yknow

Teleport

[eternal talon]

they are aliens, but they aren't the allens

[edgy hearth]

[eternal talon]

we have a physical description of one in the edgar/teal log.

at least, an infected one.

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=be964f47904647b191d3ad6149a9228b&pm=s

it can also teleport.

[merry frost]

do the flyers eat or do they do photosynthesis?

[eternal talon]

we do not know, though they- or something else living on destination displayed "pack hunting tactics" against the Durant expedition team

and seemingly plucked out individual members of the team one by one

[edgy hearth]

Given their teeth

Seem flesh is what suits their fancy

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=adcb1aa8a72349ccb6c8430a202e2fd7&pm=s
E2Q-CC62-PRK.LOG

are high-res images of them.

[edgy hearth]

Monch

Teleporting fauna
Nature was on some next level crack

[eternal talon]

destination is a very strange place

given something as fundamental as time works differently in that world-line, who knows what else works differently.

[dull orchid]

whats dis? space meatball ?

[fiery bolt]

Guys, I have a theory, you know how lickers in resident evil games are mutated/evolved from zombies

What if the sleepers in the video game GTFO are mutated or evolved from zombies like viruses

[clever night]

Sleepers in GTFO are the product of human being infected by the combo of a virus named NAM-V and a parasitic creature that has a symbiotic relationship with the virus: the virus has a 100% fatality rate but the parasite instead keeps the host alive, allowing it to undergo the transformation

[eternal talon]

There in in-depth description in the "for dummies" document.

[fiery bolt]

So it's just like the zombies in the video game Back 4 Blood

[eternal talon]

There are no zombies in gtfo whatsoever.

This conversation has been had a hundred times in the last 4 days.

When infected and turned into a sleeper, the host doesn't die. It's living tissue and matter are reused and mutated by the parasite to fit a need in the hive.

A "zombie" requires reanimation, but the hosts never die. They are simply piloted around like meat puppets until eventually either they are shot and killed by us, or the parasite mutates them enough to remove their capacity for thought to be able to recognize or understand their situation

Were it dead flesh, the virus would not be able to stay active in that. The parasite and its hosts must be kept alive.

So even if it's not what you would consider "human" anymore, in some sleepers at least, there is the potential for the person who was infected to still be somewhat conscious and aware of their surroundings while at the same time being unable to control their bodies.

[burnt wren]

I don't know if the reanimated element is ever required in modern use of the word "zombie".
Days / Weeks Later infected are still commonly referred to as the zombies, even if they are just insane because of the virus.

The common use of the word is something like a human that doesn't act like one due to outside influences. But once a certain critical mass of mutation and body deformation is achieved - it stops being a zombies and just becomes a monster. Sleepers are too far gone for even mainstream zombie classification.

Hell, most people would never guess they are ex-human upon first encounter.

[eternal talon]

even the mayans, the most unbiased group in this universe, referred to them no less than as demons.

[lilac island]

Interesting! I always figured it was a fungal outbreak in symbiosis with a parasite, some of the infected look to take on much more of the fungal aspects and some the parasitic aspects (strikers having a huge worm shoot out and the "shooters" having a lot of what appeared to me to be fungal growth covering their heads). I honestly wouldnt have suspected it to be a virus. I thought the fog may have been spores, which is fitting with the very mold like growths on some of the walls. Also you mention the Maya, were these infected on the surface where the Mayans could have come into contact with them? I figured they were restrained to the underground based on their photosensitivity and just how deep they are, like I thought it would have only started to surface when people mined into the crater (Im assuming this is what happened)

Sorry to nerd out, I find the biology of whats going on very fascinating

[clever night]

The Mayan case is very interesting: during their history (in lore?), they had multiple "Flea Demon" outbreak, and the 'root' cause of all of them are earthquakes -> the parasite+virus are underground, stuck within the rock of the meteorite (the one that killed the dinosaur 65million years ago), the earthquake caused it to escape just enough to infect the locals. Due to the low population, they wouldn't survive for long, which is why it didn't turn into a global pandemic at the time

Frostty explains it better

So yeah mining had basically the same effect as the earthquake: releasing the deadly pair

And speaking of photosensitivity, I believe it's only bothering to them in their sleep state, as they can be seen attacking on the surface of Destination without any difference in their behavior

(it might just be due to gameplay tho)

[eternal talon]

earthquakes opened up the surface levels of the meteor

apparently this has happened a couple of times for them

but given how isolated the ancient world was, it never got a chance to spread and go global.

[grizzled frost]

Hey guys, i have been out of the loop since before r6 ext, i'm currently getting up to date on the pinned documents. Are there some new big theories going around from r6ext/r7?

[eternal talon]

not really theories, but there are several major discrepancies that were uncovered since then

one of which being the schaeffer discrepancy, where in 6.5 we got logs detailing his venture through the vents to KDS-Deep

where he initiated the lockdown that we lift in r5 and had gotten himself stuck inside, so he entered an HSU to avoid starvation.

problem being, he was in wrdn hands prior to r4 when he breaks free.

but wrdn only has access to KDS deep after r5e1 when we lift the lockdown and tap into the terminal

[grizzled frost]

i never read about Schaeffer being in wrdn hands prior to r4 ; is there a log on that?

Thanks for the summary !

[eternal talon]

yes. schaefferlog 2

give me a second to find it and i'll link it for you.

[lilac island]

That does make sense, though the Mayans were far more connected than I think is being stated, they would have to have some trade routes the the Aztecs, who had a massive empire with plenty of other tribes under their control, Im surprised they wouldnt have been wiped out. During the 1700's after the Spanish had settled in Mexico there was another large eathquake, interesting to think that this would also have been localized, considering Mexico had become more global by this time

[eternal talon]

This is... my name is Schaeffer. That's- (laughing) That's all I know. (stuttering) I don't remember. (grunting) Focus... Yeah, I know. Yes I know! It's okay. They can't hear me down here. FUCK THEM! (laughing) FUCK THE WARDEN! (laughing) (clearing throat) Call me Schaeffer. I don't know who you are, or if it will ever be heard. I don't know. I'm not going back up. They'll be looking for me, the warden. I must- maybe they think I'm dead! What if they've come for me? What if I'm giving myself away here? What if I- Listen... I was in a group, there were four of us. They're all gone. But I think there are others. Maybe you, if you're hearing this. Maybe, you came after us! Or, before. Or, I don't know. I don't know! But there are signs. I've seen signs. There are others here, I know it. There's blood, fresh blood. The air, it smells different. Something ALIVE was here. Maybe they can help me! Yeah, that's it! But how do I trust them? They... have... to... prove themselves! Yes, yes! They have to go deeper. They have to get me... something... yes... YES! They have to get me something. Not here though. They have to go deeper. Go Deeper. I'll be waiting.

[lilac island]

Def interesting to think about Mayans and Aztecs fighting off hordes of these infected though, the Aztecs (not as sure about the Maya) had exceptional ranged weaponry, but thinking about the more physical battles is interesting

[eternal talon]

i want to see art of that

spears and early muskets vs hordes of sleepers in super-dense jungle

[lilac island]

Ngl I kind of want to draw this now, Ive been drawing a lot of Aztec designs lately so this might be a new project!

[grizzled frost]

Ah thanks, i've seen this one. But i'm not sure i see where the discrepancy is

[clever night]

Some of the notable R7 novelties (there's a lot more):
-What actually are sleepers (NAM-V + Parasite)
-Incorrectly waking up someone from their HSUs causes their brain to melt
-The Warden is fighting the control over BIOCOM, everytime BIOCOM is about to remove the Warden, it gets reset
-The scientists on site were maybe a little too deep into experimentation and they might have created Snatchers out of them // not really sure about that, it's really new
-Schaeffer got Henrikson out of the HSU, and they're working together
-Destination has water, and maybe volcanic activity

[eternal talon]

schaeffer breaking free of the wrdn an entire rundown before wrdn has access to his hsu

he locked the doors because there were already sleepers down there. he was down there for something like a week before he decided to get into a pod

[grizzled frost]

What i'm not getting is why would wrdn need necessarily access to his HSU, since it didn't free him anyway

[lilac island]

Not related (aside from Aztec influence), or anywhere near finished, but I think my art style would compliment this, I mostly draw monsters and skeletons and shit. Ngl Id be tempted to draw it the way Aztecs drew, that would be neat. Time to get busy!

[eternal talon]

all ksos are stored in HSUs. we are in HSUs as we drop into levels on the freight lifts. to get schaeffer, he'd need his HSU. and we know for a fact it had schaeffer, because schaeffer explicitly says "FUCK THE WARDEN!" and not "FUCK BIOCOM!"

here is his final pre-kso audio log.

its not about freeing him, schaeffer did that himself somehow.

its about having access to him before that

ie; you can't lose a dollar if you didn't have one in the first place

[grizzled frost]

Ah ; that he was either able to initiate the lockdown, or used as a KSO by the WRDN then ?

[eternal talon]

he was "normal" before then. while in KDS deep, he says he knows what HSUs do to people, that it's no secret.

he didn't even work for kovac before, either. he was a clearance lv3 pit boss working for santonian

[grizzled frost]

Yeah, in my mind the track record for him was pretty clear, that he was just a random guy from the company who got stuck and entered a HSU as a last resort

[eternal talon]

correct.

[burnt cedar]

was he able to break free because he entered a HSU willingly and was sent on a mission after? because he didn't get the KSO conditioning?

[eternal talon]

no

because dauda also entered an HSU in a similar manner

and dauda, like the rest of our squad is still under control

[burnt cedar]

oh yeah thats right

[grizzled frost]

wasn't Dauda's entering much earlier, though?

[burnt cedar]

thats true too

[grizzled frost]

The HSU effect appears to take time, from the early logs about the stasis process

[burnt cedar]

maybe Kovac had time to get to work on Dauda but not Schaeffer

[eternal talon]

not quite.

dauda got into an HSU while being completely swarmed by sleepers

so we can assume they were relatively close events during the timeline

and much like schaeffer, dauda didn't work for kovac.

dauda worked for dreyfus

[grizzled frost]

I remember some discussions here (not sure what sparked it though) that Schaeffer may have been surviving a fair length of time by himself before being cornered

[burnt cedar]

I think he said that he had been there for a week

[eternal talon]

one of his origins logs talks about him looking for food in the cafeteria, but the place was completely taken over by sleepers

[grizzled frost]

Since the HSU effects take some time to fully "activate" (from the early Red Alpha mission logs), could it be that despite being implanted with an objective stack and "piloted" by wrdn, the memory loss effect wasn't as bad on him ?

[eternal talon]

he mentions finding about a hundred of them there

[eternal talon]

give me a second, i know it was a matter of years between the collapse and r4

i can math it

we have dates for both

well, rough dates, but matters of months is close enough

~2057 to ~late 2063

that he was asleep for

[grizzled frost]

Ah damn, i didn't realize it was that late. iirc when i was last here it was strongly debated how long the whole apocalypse took

[eternal talon]

i can tell you exactly how long

all of humanity was expected to be dead by the year 2059 according to STOT calculations

it is currently the year 2064

[lilac island]

Its not contained to the facility we play in?

[eternal talon]

nooooo

[lilac island]

OMG

[eternal talon]

that shit went global about 15 years ago

[lilac island]

Holy shit

[eternal talon]

pls read the "for dummies doc" in the pins

99.98% of (human) life on the surface is dead.

[lilac island]

I need to apparently lol

[eternal talon]

has been for a long time

[lilac island]

Jesus

[burnt cedar]

yeah the whole planet is dead

[lilac island]

Plants too??

[eternal talon]

we dont know about plants

[lilac island]

Whooo as long as my plants, mushrooms, and decomposers are ok Im coolin

[eternal talon]

look at the bright side

only the virus got out

so it's only corpses

not sleepers

[grizzled frost]

ah i shouldn't have used that word, i meant things going fully to shit in Garganta itself and Schaeffer locking himself in

[grizzled frost]

do we know that for sure?

[lilac island]

Honestly its prolly for the better we were mostly wiped out,

[eternal talon]

yes.

[lilac island]

The virus would eventually die off without suitable hosts

[eternal talon]

correct.

[lilac island]

With plants and decomposers earth would start again

[eternal talon]

however, an unknown potential problem/

[lilac island]

Without the plague of humanity

[eternal talon]

the World Health Organization planned an expedition to the source of the virus.

garganta

we don't know if they were successful

[grizzled frost]

ah yes, the WHO shortwave log?

[eternal talon]

but if they breached the bulkheads and got down here...

then the parasite would have a way out.

WRDN very early on put the entire facility on lockdown and sealed everything tight.

[grizzled frost]

Planet's already fucked anyway 😄

[eternal talon]

yes, but without the parasite it could potentially rebuild given a few thousand years.

[grizzled frost]

Whoever survived up there isn't numerous enough to be likely to encounter sleepers even if they're free

[lilac island]

Virus prolly helped realistically

[lilac island]

I cant tell if the WRDN is good or bad tbh, hopefully WHO didnt let the wormies loose 😦

[grizzled frost]

I admit i'm not buying the "humanity 100% extinct" scenario, but that's mostly because i'm going by the general assumption that you can't kill every single individual...and realistically, some communities bunkered down as soon as things went wrong

[eternal talon]

we do not know.

[burnt cedar]

do we know if the virus affected animals?

[eternal talon]

its most likely not

[grizzled frost]

At the very least some doomers in their bunkers

[eternal talon]

it's more than reasonable to assume there would be ~100k left due to just isolationist peoples and doomsday preppers

[burnt cedar]

yeah

[lilac island]

For sure

[grizzled frost]

Couple of islands and shit

[burnt cedar]

Isolated tribes and shit

[grizzled frost]

Enough to maintain humanity as a species, not enough for anything regarding modern civilisation

[lilac island]

Id imagine it would atleast affect other mammals, it would have to leap over biological classes to infect others

[grizzled frost]

Regarding the WHO expedition it feels unlikely they did anything if WRDN locked things down

At this stage things would have degraded badly enough that they wouldn't have the means to overcome its defenses, surely

[lilac island]

Normally Id say I couldnt imagine it affecting invertebrates, plants, fungi, or maybe even reptiles/amphibians, but because its not from earth that could be incorrect, because its alien it could wipe out everything

[burnt cedar]

yeah if it could be transmitted by animals it would definitely make the surviving populace even lower maybe even zero

[clever night]

Do we have any data about how it interacts with animals Frostty ?

[eternal talon]

none afik

[clever night]

It doesn't seem to kill plants, given that rundown 7 has a lot of plants

vegetation all around B1 and D1

[lilac island]

Wouldnt really make a ton of sense for it to, considering it would have to jump from one taxonomic kingdom to another

[grizzled frost]

Feels like all the "health and safety" type logs after the virus escaped would have mentioned animals if it was the case

[burnt cedar]

tru

[grizzled frost]

we get some of these pretty late in the crisis (NATO collapse, millions of deaths, etc) so they would have noticed

On another matter, anyone remember when were the first sleepers sighted? I'm trying to get all the dates in my mind

[eternal talon]

sighted?

as in...

by humans.. by mayans..

by allens...

[burnt cedar]

humans in garganta I assume

[eternal talon]

we don't know specifically but we have a range

[clever night]

I guess when they are first logged

[burnt cedar]

probably quite a lot earlier than what was first logged since Kovac tried to keep all info supressed

[eternal talon]

i know its sometime around the autopsy in september of 2053 https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=5a665d8b1b634e1490c04998f04e9cb5&pm=s

[grizzled frost]

sorry - i mean the "current events"

yeah that's what i thought, thanks

[eternal talon]

let me see if i can find a specific date as to the earliest mention

[grizzled frost]

i checked all the 2053 logs and didn't see anything clear earlier

[eternal talon]

if you count the infected allen as a sleeper, then the date would go to january of 2053 with the edgar/teale log. https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=be964f47904647b191d3ad6149a9228b&pm=s

[grizzled frost]

Do we know it's infected?

It felt like the nature of this one was unclear

[eternal talon]

technically, no.

[grizzled frost]

Beyond the physical description

[eternal talon]

though the chances of it being infected are significantly higher than it being a living allen, it cannot be ruled out.

[grizzled frost]

On a completely other thing - have we gotten new infos on the Mimic since Schaeffer bashed its head in ?

[eternal talon]

you mean u22?

[grizzled frost]

yeah

[eternal talon]

not much story left to tell, so i'm not sure what you mean

[burnt cedar]

I was wondering is the neonate another one of those things?

[eternal talon]

it's one in a sequence

we made what is now known as u21 in r2-r3, we encountered u22 in r6, and we are currently making u23 in r7

[grizzled frost]

Has there been clarifications about its nature ?

Last i was here, it was debated a lot

[eternal talon]

the units are repurposed neonates from the rise project

it is the wrdn using what is left from that project and combining it with genetic samples of NAM-V to create units that are completely invisible to sleepers

u22 being the closest to a success so far, though it still triggers scouts.

[grizzled frost]

Ah, that's a new big info to me 😄

[stuck aspen]

what was the fate for u21

[eternal talon]

we dont know what happened to it

[burnt cedar]

sleepers tore it to shreds?

[eternal talon]

we know it wasn't the same one as u22 because u22 in r6 was born 3 days ago

[eternal talon]

probably, given u22 is still only partially successful

(though don't get me wrong, being invisible to everything but scouts is fucking HUGE)

[grizzled frost]

thanks a lot for the info - got a lot to catch up on

[burnt cedar]

yeah

I wonder if the scout trigger is more than just touching the feelers. Is it just something moving touching them enough or do the feelers detect or sense more than that

[edgy hearth]

Rundown sumthin unit xx replaces prisoners

We can finally take a break bois

[cyan arrow]

so, the Warden is a bot. does that mean the Warden is a bot?

[clever niche]

Warden is some sorta software that was injected into the already active AI biocom, kinda unclear how intelligent either are.

[cyan arrow]

and the game the warden is playing, v1.WRDN.16 what's that about?

[restive imp]

Thats his gameboy dont take it away from him

[lilac island]

New Characters??

[grizzled frost]

Does anyone have at hand the time of the first reference to the Warden, or/and biocom being taken over?

[eternal talon]

There is no 100% certain time.

On first thought, first 'fishy' event in the timelie would be broomcloset log off the top of my head.

But I could be wrong, I'd have to look into it.

[eternal talon]

Biocom Turned on: January 4th, 2052.
Hearsay Installed: March 3rd, 2052.
Biocom given full access to Garganta: August 8th, 2053.
(Unknown) Signal Interference in Mainframe Nexus of storage vault and Infected KSOs begin to die while still in stasis: September 11th, 2053.
Kovac Creates Lockdown Procedure: October 7th, 2053.
Biocom flags Schaeffer&Artus' Conversation on the topic of the Geothermal Mass in the Inner: October 8th, 2053.
Main Server-Room temperatures exceed 38.999°C with Alarm: October 11th, 2053.
^ Something about an "Emergency Blast Data Transfer"
^ ^ An Unknown file gets added and causes an alert.
**Log: 03:23:14 AM

• Priming connected nodes for Emergency Blast Data Transfer
  Log: 03:23:48 AM
• Node link(s) compiled
• 00.01A-00.01Z - network
• 00.02A-00.02Z - network
• 00.03A-00.03Z - network
• 00.04A-00.04Z - network
  Log: 03:23:49 AM
• 100% of connected nodes primed for Emergency Blast Data Transfer
• Commencing data redistribution
  Log: 03:23:49 AM - ALERT
• Da3¤&%(¤¤¤a f&a/TR#en!%#%n ^ alert
  ~ 9A.5f OK
  ~ %%%ddd OK
• ;;Unknown
  Log: 03:24:05 AM
• <<>>
• Emergency Blast Data Transfer complete
• Data redistribution completed with errors
• Error log unavailable**

Biocom flags another Schaeffer&Artus communication during the Explosion in the Inner: October 13th, 2053.
Biocom repeatedly requests access to Garganta's power control system with an access attempt to reroute power KDS-Deep in a manner that would have overloaded almost every subsystem in the entire facility: April 5th, 2054.
Biocom sends a KSO to stand in a broom closet for 6 minutes: May 4th, 2054.
^It's almost as if someone was testing me to see if we'd notice. I'd appreciate it if you told me if this was a test of some kind. I don't want to burn hours on something like this if it was contrived.
KSO knows about C-foam and how it works despite never being given training on such an item and on another mission, a different KSO exhibited the same behavior: August 30th, 2054.

Security doors are not responding, causing many to die in the lower levels to the sleepers, unable to escape: November 25th, 2056.
Biocom flags the WHO shortwave radio broadcast: April 20th, 2057.

That is all we have. the very first "WRDN OVERRIDE" we have on record is the PCS-Alert UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS LOGGED log in June of 2063.

@grizzled frost

[eternal talon]

@solar nova any additional context you know for the Emergency Blast Data Transfer? could this "unknown" file that got added during the EBDT have been wrdn?

@harsh saffron , @rocky wraith i'd like some additional interpretations on this find rather than just my own.

and if so, given it was during the Explosion, could the WRDN be allen in origin?

[rocky wraith]

big hmmmm

[harsh saffron]

Hm, I just assumed somebody used the chaos caused by the explosion and new rules etc. to install the Warden.
Or that the Warden IS part of the new security measures that Dean Lockwood mentions; but who knows ^^

[solar nova]

Can you be more specific?

The EBDT is just a server, presumably the main server, catching fire or being at least partially destroyed.

So it uploads everything it can elsewhere.

[eternal talon]

not really, just asking for all info relating to it.

[grizzled frost]

Thanks for the details

[winged tangle]

new shadow lock melter

[twilit phoenix]

pseudo lore question: What if that horrific whailing we hear as the mission objective appears in our HUDs - during the end of our descent into the facility - isn't just 4th wall ambience, but is actually the bone chilling echoes of the brake system that our drop tower of doom has?

[clever night]

I think it's the brakes, indeed

[hollow bough]

I always assumed it was the brakes, not 4th wall ambience, and I'm pretty sure it is supposed to be the sound for the brakes

[twilit phoenix]

ok cool because i did think it was just spooky music for a good bit, but im glad the community thinks similarly to my epiphany 🤣

Another lore question: Do you think that the "Mother" entities require insemination of some sort? or do you think the mutation just allows them to fertilize egg cells freely?

Alternatively maybe it can do both and unfertilized embryos remain as lil mouth babies, but with some sort of fertilization it births other things

[eternal talon]

that is a very tricky question, to which we have no answer.

[hollow bough]

The only thing we have is observations, and that is, in-game it can birth seemingly an infinite number of times, but on a cooldown. So it probably is able to fertilize egg cells freely. Of course, in-game things don't always translate 100% to the lore version, but I like them to, so that's what I'm going to go with as an answer to that.

Though, maybe with some special circumstances or something, it would be able to create other creatures, yet to see if that's possible.

[eternal talon]

remember, things like the ceiling cocoons are also infinite despite only housing one sleeper each.

[hollow bough]

Yeah, and can even respawn giants when the cocoons are all small.

And respawns them in the exact same positions as before.

[eternal talon]

and the despawning of enemies corpses almost immediately, despite finding corpses that have been set for quite some time.

[hollow bough]

yup, video game things that wouldn't translate to lore easily

but if possible, I like them to, so that's where my assumption goes, that's my bias lol

[rocky wraith]

No insemination needed. As no new genetic material is required, everything they need they already have

Asexual reproduction is fairly common in biology and seems to be preferred to by the Sleepers

all seen sleepers except mothers are missing their gonad mothers, mothers seem to be the main driving force for producing sleepers, the Nests/Hives also are theorised to create sleepers, though the exact way they do that is unknown

[clever night]

There is still some biomass needed, mother can't produce babies out of thin air at some point

Self impregnated I can imagine that, but you still need some form of biomass

[twilit phoenix]

Cool! So it’s possible they’re not unfertilized egg cells, but clones of the mother. Which means that females can also develop into the biting variant.

[spiral creek]

I just think they're pregnant women that got infected by the NAM-V

[burnt wren]

That is usually the assumption but at this point there are too many pregnant women in this deep hole hyper-ass-tight facility where you can't take a breath without some kind of supervision.

[stone vine]

yeah the game would be way laggier if they didn’t it’s just optimization 😭

imagine having to walk through like 100 corpses for every alarm

[rare scaffold]

Im glad they added the blood splatters, shows the severity of combat without having a bunch of laggy ragdoll corpses lol

[cobalt mulch]

and a chokepoint after a class v, mine and 2 sentries .. that doorway / hallway looks pizza'ish 😄

best splatter i got was an upstairs bonk and a piece of sleeper dropped from the railing, bounced off the floor and onto a wall, and made a bloody impression _ on the wall _ .. 👍

[rare scaffold]

Reactor bridges looking like a lotta tomato sauce when its done

[rocky wraith]

Given how we found DNA plasmids called pMOTHER samples, I think mothers were artificially produced

[rocky wraith]

None of them that we have seen the mothers directly give birth to are clones, which means genetic reassembly is taking place. But in the case of cloning like parthenogenesis with the respawn rooms producing mothers it's possible

[twilit phoenix]

my only confusion is that if its cloning how are the babies all biters rather than shooters? I thought that all of the genetically male humans (Xy genes) became biter types and all of the genetically female humans (XX genes) became shooters. Is it possible that this is only the affect of adult humans being infected and newborn infecteds could grow into anything? or that all newborn infecteds are stuck as biters?

mutation can't replicate the Xy gene like that, so the mother - unless fertilized - is only making more females, which is where my questions are stemming from

[rocky wraith]

actually it can, you only need a few specific genes to be translocated off the Y chromosome or karyotic non-disjunction to take place. Mothers clearly have both sets of X and Y chromosomes and the genetic modification capabilities of the virus are unparalleled and could easily control such processes

and males becoming biters and females becoming shooters is the accepted theory for the sleepers that began as humans

directly born sleepers are a whole other issue because of the existence of the respawn rooms and mothers

the reason the biters might be the go-to option for mothers to produce is because of efficiency. It is much easier to create baby biters that require little energy compared to shooters, which obviously have to be invested the energy required for them to shoot their magic missiles, just an idea

[twilit phoenix]

God i love scifi alien biology

Im a big nerd for things like Xenomorphs, Zerg, Tyrranids, and The Flood too.

[rocky wraith]

same but for different reasons :)

purely scientific reasons

[eternal talon]

If we ever get to see what Ancient Destination looked like:

(I spent way, waaaay too much time on this. Made in Unreal-Engine 5 W. Worldmaker Tool)

• I have full-quality photos of the render if you want them.

[rocky wraith]

nice

[celest pagoda]

That'd be dope as hell. Id suspect that someday we could find fossils, or ruins of something left to time.

[eternal talon]

This is all we have in terms of ruins. For now...

[night galleon]

is there any images just showing the markings on that? i can't really see in that image

[eternal talon]

I'll see what I can do.

[eternal talon]

i found a bunch of old pictures of it.

i knew there were some in here

[night galleon]

tysm

it does appear to show

not much

[eternal talon]

its mostly just many indented rings at different distances from the center

like a CD almost

or like a tree ring

[night galleon]

ancient CD player? maybe plays crazy frog

[still ether]

slime rancher has tons of circular ruins

[eternal talon]

pic for comparison?

[night galleon]

biggest crossover of century

[still ether]

I'm looking for a better image, Google is hiding the truth

[eternal talon]

ah, i thought you meant horizontal

[eternal talon]

which is funny, because we both thought of the same thing. why i put a vertical one in this.

[still ether]

as seen in the bottom left, horizontal rings

that's what I was talking abt, hard to find tho

[night galleon]

and they're also in a desert so the link is clear

[still ether]

same universe?

[eternal talon]

how many light-years away is the planet in slime rancher?

[night galleon]

i thought destination was in like different plane of existence

[eternal talon]

it is but its also a physical existance in our own

[still ether]

I have no clue how far away it is

[eternal talon]

just not the same version of it

[still ether]

but they have portal tech which takes place on a big circle

[eternal talon]

the MWP needs coordinates in both plains of existence to teleport us between them.

[night galleon]

does earth exist in slime rancher universe?

[eternal talon]

so their must be a version of earth in destination's universe.

[eternal talon]

it does. i remember the credits song talking about it i think

something about a love story many light-years apart

did you not read your emails in the house?

[night galleon]

i have only played a little

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX1af52x3H4

1,000

destination is 3,000

in the butterfly neubla (NGC 6302)

[night galleon]

so you're telling me its not possible

[eternal talon]

what is not possible

[night galleon]

crossover

[eternal talon]

that slime-rancher's planet is destination? no.

[night galleon]

but what if the allens colonsie the slime rancher planet

[eternal talon]

maybe, but we have no clue to what extent they colonized the stars.

[still ether]

slime rancher 2 enters early access soon, maybe we'll see some more lore afterwords

[night galleon]

is there any lore about allen apart from they are aliens that fly

*have spaceshisp

[eternal talon]

we know they collected species from different planets and possibly universes according to what hammerstein found in the inner.

we know they mastered teleportation and multidimensional travel

other than that, not much

also they either created or encountered nam-v and the parasite and that's what made them go extinct.

[night galleon]

sorta like lore of alien movies

well mostly prometheus

[eternal talon]

no, the engineers designed that deliberately as a bioweapon, and lv426 wasn't their homeworld

i mean the allens could have made it intentionally as a bioweapon, but i doubt they planned on nuking their own planet with it.

[night galleon]

how you know so much lore of everything dang

[eternal talon]

i write the "for dummies" document in the pins

i do way, waaay too much research on this game.

my entire free-time is gtfo-lore.

[night galleon]

extremely based

[eternal talon]

also aliens was a good movie.

[night galleon]

is there any lore as to the ||unkillable tank in E1|| < e1 spoiler

or is it just like that

[eternal talon]

i'm pretty sure the movie Prometheus is what talked about the black goo being a bioweapon

something something nuke a planet then colonize it with zero resistance

[night galleon]

yeah that was the thing same with covenant

[final sentinel]

I mean there’s a Dauda log that my group thinks has some connection to him

[eternal talon]

not really much lore as far as i know.

just a tank variant.

[night galleon]

i'm interested

[final sentinel]

Frosty do you know the log I’m talking about?

Beginning of E1

[eternal talon]

we know that biological testing was done on sleepers, i mean we see vats of them everywhere, but i don't think it mentions anything about the immortal.

[eternal talon]

yeah, i do. was typing.

[night galleon]

i dont relly know how to read

[eternal talon]

you click it and the picture gets bigger

ENHANCE

[final sentinel]

I kinda think Dauda might have done some tests on sleepers and accidentally created some form of Pablo

[night galleon]

is pablo tank name?

[final sentinel]

He mentions the vacuum tube thing

[final sentinel]

Thats what I call it

[eternal talon]

vacuum tube thing?

[night galleon]

this log makes me think the virus is bioweapon

[eternal talon]

?

[night galleon]

thats from C1, no?

[final sentinel]

He’s talking about introducing sleepers into a vacuum tube, which could have created ahhhhhh

[eternal talon]

it is.

[final sentinel]

So Dauda could have created snatchers accidentally

[eternal talon]

a vacuum. as in, no oxygen.

[final sentinel]

Yes ik

[eternal talon]

to see if it'd be able to survive in the vacuum of space

which is how they got here anyway

the inner didn't just teleport in atmosphere, the dinosaurs had to die somehow

[night galleon]

but the inner was probably airtight right? wouldnt there still be air in there

i am under the assumption that its a spaceship

[eternal talon]

almost certainly.

it didn't get out and infect the mayans until earthquakes in the region opened up the surface layers like a bad onion.

[night galleon]

is that how earthquakes even work? idk im not a geologist

[eternal talon]

neither am i.

but its what the logs say

[night galleon]

did the inner generate the earthquakes? because it wasnt on a plate boundary from what i remember

[eternal talon]

apparently it happened a bunch of times. it only never went global because the village of Ixil (directly on-top of the inner) was too small, so it killed off all its food before it could spread

[eternal talon]

merida faultline

[night galleon]

oh ok

[eternal talon]

um, i don't know about the inner generating earthquakes.

the explosion was more of a concentrated blast

but given its alien technology, honestly we have no idea what it's capable of.

[final sentinel]

Frosty, I’ve meant to ask you this many times, but is there anything you know about why large variants exist

[eternal talon]

that'd be a better question for @rocky wraith. he's a biologist, i'm not.

[final sentinel]

Aha :3 ty!

[night galleon]

is because they are beeg and strong

before they got infected

[eternal talon]

most likely

[final sentinel]

So gigachad sleeper

huh

[eternal talon]

it uses existing genetic material to determine what would be the best kind of form to mutate the host into.

[eternal talon]

you mentioned gigachad, i had to do it.

[night galleon]

another question: what was the complex used for? i thought it was a dig site for iridum? why is there terminals and computers and stuff

[eternal talon]

it was

[final sentinel]

There’s a pretty heavy security system iirc

[eternal talon]

though eventually after they started finding all this weird alien crap, they brought Insight in to do research

Kovac was there because kovac was in hot water with the world's governments and wanted a nice quiet place to break the Geneva conventions.

[night galleon]

you think you'd do it offsite

the research

[eternal talon]

kovac had dirt on SMC, so they got permission to move in from SMC's parent company, Dreyfus

Dreyfus is also the parent company of Insight.

[final sentinel]

Man now I want to see like, sleeping quarters, for the miners

Or a cafeteria

[eternal talon]

its 3 companies, well, 2 mega-corps down in this big hole. and then there is Nyxos. just this random manufacturing company with ties to neither of them

[night galleon]

isn't there some drillhead assets?

[final sentinel]

Yeah in digsite

[eternal talon]

but makes all their super classified stuff

[final sentinel]

B2 this rundown

[eternal talon]

i have pic!

[night galleon]

how many areas are there?

[final sentinel]

8?

[eternal talon]

they are huge

[final sentinel]

Digsite, refinery, storage, lab, datacenter, floodways, garden, alpha

[eternal talon]

by alpha you mean planet destination?

[final sentinel]

Yeah

[eternal talon]

thats not really a part of the complex

unless...

inb4 inner tileset

[final sentinel]

I mean there are zone doors, sooo

[eternal talon]

only one in canon. and that's the excavation in bx and dx

[final sentinel]

Maybe they started mining operations on Alpha

[eternal talon]

they did. thats what this place was

[final sentinel]

They obviously had some pretty hefty infrastructure

Ah

[night galleon]

if all the humans are dead, where could the GTFO story really go?

[final sentinel]

Colonization of alpha

In my opinion

[eternal talon]

ehhhhhh thats a bit much

honestly this game probably wont end on a high note.

surface is fucked

monsters down here with us

we work for skynet,

[night galleon]

i think it'll end with biocom/warden being killed/turned off

[eternal talon]

probably

[final sentinel]

Clear out a nice section of the complex to live in

[night galleon]

garden would be nice

[eternal talon]

then die a slow painful death from nam-v because we are all infected and have no cure.

[final sentinel]

Yup :3

[night galleon]

could be worse

also can animals be infected with NAM-V?

[eternal talon]

we dont know.

but far more likely than plants

if it jumped to humans so easily

[night galleon]

it seems like it probably could

[eternal talon]

just be glad the surface is only 99.98% dead, and not 99.98% sleepers.

only nam-v got out.

parasite is locked down here with us

[night galleon]

i thought they were symbiotic?

[eternal talon]

they are.

[night galleon]

like man'0'war jellyfish

or can they live apart?

[eternal talon]

ehhh, we dont know about the parasite living without the virus, but the virus 100% can live by itself

that depends on how much the virus changed the parasite when the became symbiotic.

they were completely seperate before

the dauda log talks about it

[eternal talon]

^

[night galleon]

also doesnt NAM-V give "mild flu-like symptoms"

[eternal talon]

at first it did.

then as it got used to us it got worse and worse

time-to-kill is 5 weeks.

from first contact. and once you get it, you are fucked.

it will NEVER leave your system

[night galleon]

could be worse

[eternal talon]

it has the highest infection rate in human history and is 100% lethal.

i forget what the R-Naught was.

[night galleon]

r-naught?

[eternal talon]

i'm not educated enough to explain

CDC/World Health Organization statistics for classifying disease or something like that

@subtle verge came up with the original statistics way back when

[final sentinel]

it was around 16 iirc

[eternal talon]

an RNaught of 17

[final sentinel]

:D

[night galleon]

that seems high

or low?

idk

[final sentinel]

Very high

Super high

[night galleon]

what is black plagues, for reference

[final sentinel]

Omicron, covids most transmissible variant had 7

Black death was 2-3.5

[night galleon]

is it a measure of transmissibility or lethality or both

[final sentinel]

Expected cases per person infected

[eternal talon]

R0
[ˌärˈnôt, ˌärˈzirō]
NOUN
medicine
a figure expressing the average number of cases of an infectious disease arising by transmission from a single infected individual, in a population that has not previously encountered the disease:
"early estimates by the World Health Organization suggest an R0 of between 1.4 and 2.5"

[night galleon]

thats a useful number

[eternal talon]

so.. according to state of truth statistics, its worse than that.

[final sentinel]

Oh

[eternal talon]

1 sec let me see if i can find it

*You're listening to State of Truth AM. The only news source you can trust.

Over the last few months, we’ve seen the NAM-V pandemic devastating our species. State of Truth was the first to tell you about this virus and by God I hope we’ll be the first to tell you it’s been cured; but until that day, we will continue with our mandate. The cold facts, no matter how difficult they might be to hear, brought to you, the people. This is your right, and it is our purpose.

I have a census report in front of me from the last census, taken in 2050. Now, I know a lot of people out there don’t do the census, right? They already know enough about us, why give them more? But there are millions, billions of people out there who fill these things in religiously, so they can be used as a good metric for where we were compared to where we are now. I also have a leaked copy of the CONDAM report filed just last month. CONDAM is the military statistics department, right?

Okay, so brace yourselves, because I’m about to hit you with some cold truths. The census report of 2050, just 3 years ago, reports the populations of the United States to be 474 million. 474 million people, all ages, and citizens only, right?*

*The CONDAM report, filed in September 2053, reports the estimated population of the United States to be… you ready for this… 302 million.

That’s what we’re dealing with. Folks, if it isn’t clear to you by now this thing is out of control, I don’t know what’s going to convince you. If you are sitting at home and waiting for the government to solve this thing, it ain’t gonna happen. They are digging in, you hear me? They are, right now, devising plans to move the elite class into isolation to protect themselves, because they know the world is on fire. They can’t stop this virus. They don’t understand it, and they can’t control it. It is up to you to protect yourselves from NAM-V. You need to head for the hills. There is no one left to protect you. Switch off the goddamn television, and the bullshit network news, and… Take. Action!

It’s not coming, it’s already here. If you have any advice for listeners who don’t know about survival, or you need some advice yourself, call us now. This is your town hall. The lines are open.*

all of humanity is calculated to be 110% dead by 2059 by these statistics.

sooner than even punk and daraxus' calculations

[final sentinel]

Oh right punk hasn’t been around since R7 drop

[eternal talon]

473m-302m in 3 years for US population

[night galleon]

110%?

[eternal talon]

it's more likely around 2058, but 2059 was what i came to when i calculated it to be a safe estimate

to give it leg-room if its slightly off or people are slightly better at not dying than the data shows

giving humanity the best possible chance in the numbers

[night galleon]

but some people would be alive though right?

[eternal talon]

no doubt.

but i wouldn't say more than 100k total on the surface

[night galleon]

but probably too spread out for repopulation

[eternal talon]

it's almost impossible to kill every last person

[night galleon]

so does biocom/warden know the world is gone?

[eternal talon]

we dont know.

biocom and the wrdn are seperate entities also.

[night galleon]

but wouldnt they both have BIOCOM's databases?

[eternal talon]

yes

wrdn is an invasive file that was injected into the biocom network that took it over.

[night galleon]

so kinda like a virus?

[eternal talon]

kinda

the wrdn, like biocom, is an AI

specifically a DI, a decision intelligence

[night galleon]

do they battle

[eternal talon]

they've been trying to delete eachother for years.

[night galleon]

devious

[eternal talon]

though now schaeffer and henrikkson are also in the network..

so now it's a 3-man ffa. WRDN trying to take control of biocom and deal with schaeffer, Schaeffer trying to control biocom to kill the wrdn, and Biocom trying get people to stop controlling it.

[night galleon]

battle

i am so tired

[celest pagoda]

Im sad D2 was reworked to spend less time at the mainframe, its such a cool set piece.

[eternal talon]

its just a big vault full of computers and severed heads.

now if we gon' talk about cool...

data-vault is lit

[celest pagoda]

big true

[eternal talon]

got the lighting to boot.

[celest pagoda]

Maybe for me, the mainframe being so unique made me wish for more time with it. I liked the original rendition of biocom/WRDN trying to kick us out while we try to install the trojan.

[eternal talon]

i'd say the same, but it really is only that one centerpiece. there is nothing else interesting there.

its just a sea of server racks beyond the glass.

the entry-door and stuff is cool though

[celest pagoda]

It gives me similar vibes to GLaDOS' mainframe, so I'm a little biased

regardless, I love set pieces like this

especially the Unit 22 variant of the data-vault

the blood trails, the pipe, the body

[eternal talon]

honestly i really love the teleporters and the bridges.

very angry red lighting is 11/10

also 4,000,000 mines

[celest pagoda]

The reactors always get me, fell in love with their design in r1c1.

the portal gives that same vibe

[eternal talon]

these?

[eternal talon]

ah

[celest pagoda]

Specifcally these, not the labs ones

the mining ones just

idk, they are just dope as hell

[eternal talon]

destination is gorgeous as always

[celest pagoda]

oh absolutely

[rocky wraith]

I got @'d but discord is being funky so if someone has a question to me it unfortunately got missed

[final sentinel]

About the biology of how large sleepers exist

The larger variants that aren’t an amalgamation of various bodies

[rocky wraith]

I don't believe they came about from conversion from normal people, but instead were the results grown from cocoons and hives etc

[final sentinel]

:0

[rocky wraith]

That would be the explanation that most makes sense to me, but you'll have to excuse any mistakes I make as I am currently drunk as a skunk and am swaying in my seat.