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#gtfo-lore
eternal talon
eternal talon
they look pretty zombie like to me
Technically speaking, everyone involved is still alive, if not Human anymore.
strong solstice
isn't that what zombies are
eternal talon
The virus keeps the parasite and its host alive indefinitely so that it does not starve itself to death when it runs out of food.
eternal talon
isn't that what zombies are
No, zombies are corpses that are reanimated, sleepers never died once. The parasite can't convert the corpses of people killed by nam-v, only those currently infected by it. That is why there are partially converted corpses all over the complex.
ocean lake
isn't that what zombies are
technically zombies are whatever the fuck they are
after so much time theres so many iterations, cannot pin down what exactly a zombie is
unless going with the classic undead
eternal talon
Until mutations are complete, it is quite possible a human infected by the parasite would be able to feel and sense its surroundings as the parasite controlled its body like a meat puppet.
strong solstice
zombies by definition do have to be dead and brought back to life, but plenty of interpretations have them just transform from alive humans to being infected zombies
so sleepers fit into zombies in my book B)
stuck aspen
thank you for your input
strong solstice
you're welcome brother
eternal talon
zombies by definition do have to be dead and brought back to life, but plenty of...
Maybe, but to the common majority they do not consider B, so it would be incorrect and give the wrong impression.
Which begs the question, as shooters do not clearly display the removal of the brain, is it possibly to any extent that the human previously infected has still been conscious and suffering immense pain for almost a decade since infection?
(Not that being a striker and feeling your skull torn apart by its own muscles wouldn't be immense pain, but at least it would end after that.)
This comment just gave me an absolutely horrifying thought.
The two heads on the mothers and Pmother are still fully intact..
clear furnace
The two heads on the mothers and Pmother are still fully intact..
I have never really been able to get a good look at the mother. Is there someplace that have good photos of them.
eternal talon
I have never really been able to get a good look at the mother. Is there somepla...
The wiki i think, if not @harsh saffron always does.
He's got pictures of everything. He works on the wiki
if not, a few levels this rundown has them, d1, d2, and e1 off the top of my head.
also c2 secondary
ocean lake
The two heads on the mothers and Pmother are still fully intact..
the immense pain of giving birth to 30 big headed children at once
eternal talon
repeatedly, for...~9 years
unable to die because of the parasite.
the strikers and striker variants probably have it the easiest, because their head is split asunder, and then it is over for them.
rocky wraith
Which begs the question, as shooters do not clearly display the removal of the b...
nah
Their brains have probably been completely changed and are unable to have higher thought processes
edgy hearth
Did not realize the birthers had 2 heads
rocky wraith
Did not realize the birthers had 2 heads
and more than 4 limbs
edgy hearth
Only saw the one faintly visible through the skin layer thingy
rocky wraith
@eternal talon did you see what happens to specimen 23 during the end of D1?
edgy hearth
3d print big man from baby?
rocky wraith
Like they grow it in real time to being the size of an adult but still retaining the proportions of a baby
clever night
oh yeah it's trippy
solemn kraken
<@385612298045358082> did you see what happens to specimen 23 during the end of ...
how did you think that Spec 22 got so big ? from R3
edgy hearth
WardenmagicTM
rocky wraith
how did you think that Spec 22 got so big ? from R3
It was called neonate back then, not specimen 22?
plus years pass between rundowns I last thought
edgy hearth
Doesnt the hsu for the neonate say their number
solemn kraken
It was called neonate back then, not specimen 22?
it is called neonate now as well
rocky wraith
it is called neonate now as well
Yes but also called Specimen 23. Specimen 22 was only called that in R6
solemn kraken
plus years pass between rundowns I last thought
not that many but meaby @eternal talon can confirm
clever night
how did you think that Spec 22 got so big ? from R3
it might not have been 22 specifically but it was one of them
solemn kraken
it might not have been 22 specifically but it was one of them
fair
still neonate, GLP (growth hormone) it makes sense
clever night
yeah I just meant as in "yeah we grow a baby for pretty much the same reason", might have been 16 or idk
rocky wraith
yeah, the last log mentions growth in a timeframe of 60 days, not a matter of minutes like in D1
solemn kraken
and just as spec 22 gets killed, we grab another baby and use GLP-2 on it (meaby better hormones? )
edgy hearth
Maybe the osip ones from c2?
clever night
yeah we use a lot more hormones on the new one
solemn kraken
yeah we use a lot more hormones on the new one
and a newer version apparently
clever night
B2 secondary GLP, C1 GLP-2, C2 overload OSIP
but only C1 is direct story, main objective
rocky wraith
but only C1 is direct story, main objective
the others are still canon
celest pagoda
I'd say the neonate from R3 was definitely not s22. Given that we know other units were killed before (Schaeffer describing one being killed by sleepers, another iteration is able to stay undected). I'd assume s22 was doing well until he had a run in with our loveable rat-man, Schaeffer.
clever night
the others are still canon
ik
solemn kraken
the others are still canon
but the GLP-2 are more directly tied to the story
clever night
s22 was sort of successful, it was able to trigger a scout iirc tho (intentionally ?) but it looked very weak, I think what the Warden is trying to achieve is to make it have a properly developped brain
rocky wraith
The shortened growth from 60 days to mere minutes has me thinking that they have also built an environment for 23 to develop it's instinct as was discussed
rocky wraith
but the GLP-2 are more directly tied to the story
Yeah, but they would still have been collected before D1
solemn kraken
Yeah, but they would still have been collected before D1
we also grab GLP in R5B2, there is no neonate in that rundown
celest pagoda
s22 was sort of successful, it was able to trigger a scout iirc tho (intentional...
That is true, although that too may have been a failed iteration. I think the idea is that Schaeffer was encountering multiple units, each (mostly) a different itteration, instead of it being the same entity in all logs.
edgy hearth
Isnt there glp in r5A1 extreme too?
solemn kraken
Isnt there glp in r5A1 extreme too?
no those are plants (warden needs his weed)
edgy hearth
Ah
clever night
we also grab GLP in R5B2, there is no neonate in that rundown
for other team i'd say, since there were alternative teams working on different objectives, such as other specimens
celest pagoda
To note, the Warden notes in DX that it wishes to enhance its "unit masking". I'm fairly certain it wants to make something "invisible" to the sleepers.
clever night
That is true, although that too may have been a failed iteration. I think the id...
that's interesting, i'd have to re-listen to them, but they seem to have a continuity with the same one
rocky wraith
we also grab GLP in R5B2, there is no neonate in that rundown
all such canisters and glp things are for the neonates
solemn kraken
for other team i'd say, since there were alternative teams working on different ...
could be, could be the same for the ones in R7B2. What I'm saying is that only the GLP-2 from C1 are directly tied to spec 23
rocky wraith
even the ones not made yet
clever night
Cause Schaeffer is first scared and then understand and goes to kill it, as if it was still the same entity
clever night
To note, the Warden notes in DX that it wishes to enhance its "unit masking". I'...
what if it also tries to mask from other things, such as humans
edgy hearth
Masking it from humans
clever night
could be, could be the same for the ones in R7B2. What I'm saying is that only t...
agreed
edgy hearth
Hm
solemn kraken
what if it also tries to mask from other things, such as humans
yeeey super shadows
clever night
See it like this: warden is loosing the best group, warden needs something that goes down the complex and can operate around sleepers, and probably around the prisonners that turns against him too
celest pagoda
what if it also tries to mask from other things, such as humans
That could be, but I'd say it's easier with sleepers as, as far as we know, they are blind. Although they use hearing as a replacement, that can probably only go so far.
clever night
movement too
Sound is a wave
and movement, you could say it displaces air which is a different form of wave
light is a wave too, the answer is all about waves
celest pagoda
I know, what I mean is that masking a unit to humans would probably be alot more difficult, and far less valuable unless the warden begins to see mankind in general as a threat.
Which to be fair, I'd understand if it begins to see rebelling prisoners as a threat.
eternal talon
Oh God a million messages. Hold on
toxic wagon
eternal talon
<@385612298045358082> did you see what happens to specimen 23 during the end of ...
It gets put into like a weird vertical lift thing and we leave it there, so we don't know where the wrdn takes it
clever night
It gets put into like a weird vertical lift thing and we leave it there, so we d...
yeah but have you seen inside ?
thermal scope
solemn kraken
It gets put into like a weird vertical lift thing and we leave it there, so we d...
nah bro it GROWS
celest pagoda
It gets put into like a weird vertical lift thing and we leave it there, so we d...
Did you not see it grow into a full grown person?
eternal talon
how did you think that Spec 22 got so big ? from R3
R2-R3 is not specimen 22. We know this as fact. It's been almost a year but u22 was created 72 hours before Schaeffer kills it. In r2-r3 we create u21
eternal talon
like 10 sec
3 days. Not THAT fast
clever night
no we mean visually speaking, in R7D1
celest pagoda
3 days. Not THAT fast
Brother, go back to d1 and watch the neonate in the pod. It grows in atleast 10 - 30 seconds.
clever night
in the growth chamber
solemn kraken
3 days. Not THAT fast
guess GLP-2 is better :p
eternal talon
It was called neonate back then, not specimen 22?
They are still called neonates, always have been. Neonates is just the simple term for them and their HSUs.
eternal talon
not that many but meaby <@385612298045358082> can confirm
Depends. Since r3 it has been about a year in total. 2063-2064. We do not know when exactly in 2064 we currently are.
solemn kraken
Depends. Since r3 it has been about a year in total. 2063-2064. We do not know w...
ok but not years like he was saying
celest pagoda
2056 to 2057 I believe
eternal talon
s22 was sort of successful, it was able to trigger a scout iirc tho (intentional...
Since even insight, they had issues with them having the mental capacity of children.
clever night
Since even insight, they had issues with them having the mental capacity of chil...
yeah I remember reading about that
eternal talon
Didnt the logs indicate that humanity on the surface might aswell be ded by 2050
By 2059 according to state of truth calculations
edgy hearth
Rip
eternal talon
nah bro it GROWS
Wtf??? Vid pls? I can't run d1 because of technical issues, but there is no fucking way canonically speaking unless the wrdn has this one JUICED
edgy hearth
Fam,it straight up speed runs growth
clever night
Wtf??? Vid pls? I can't run d1 because of technical issues, but there is no fuck...
Aww I would've loved to go there with you
edgy hearth
Under 20 ish seconds you've got a whole ass adult body
clever night
I can always go for a D1 lobby and get a little recording
celest pagoda
Yea, the glass is foggy but you can clearly see the body grow
eternal talon
I can always go for a D1 lobby and get a little recording
Dm it to me whenever
clever night
Thermals makes it very clear (I have low graphics so I don't really see through the glass)
clever night
Dm it to me whenever
Will do !
eternal talon
Wtf is in GLP-2...
celest pagoda
The rate of growth being so rapid could explain the deformaties of the units Schaef describes, and the ones we see on S22.
eternal talon
Seconds is practically defying the laws of... everything
solemn kraken
Wtf is in GLP-2...
it is way better than GLP apparently
eternal talon
Days to seconds is THOUSANDS of percent more efficient
clever night
oh yeah btw our baby looks FAT compared to the skinny specimens
chubby and all, I'm wondering if it'll look deformed like that or it'll just be actual Chad
rocky wraith
Wtf??? Vid pls? I can't run d1 because of technical issues, but there is no fuck...
I got screenshots of it yesterday
celest pagoda
Seconds is practically defying the laws of... everything
True, but it may not be stable. S22 had some nasty deformities and looked, for lack of a better term, undercooked.
solemn kraken
I got screenshots of it yesterday
he is watching the vid
rocky wraith
Seconds is practically defying the laws of... everything
I was literally in awe of it yesterday
eternal talon
he is watching the vid
What vid
celest pagoda
I remember on my first successful d1 run I didn't wana leave incase something else happened lol. It was a shock to see.
rocky wraith
rocky wraith
like Frosty
eternal talon
What in the fucking bush's baked beans is this
rocky wraith
its insane
eternal talon
Also dick pic
celest pagoda
Also, and this may jsut be a design choice, the machine looks like the anatomy of, and is refered to in the files as, a womb.
rocky wraith
I was literally there
clever night
the pants grows with it 
rocky wraith
And zoom in
ITs just the change from pants to skin makes it look weird 7
eternal talon
What in the fuck could possibly be in glp_2 to make this remotely possible
rocky wraith
What in the fuck could possibly be in glp_2 to make this remotely possible
A shit tonne of protein and glucose
clever night
was this the first instance of GLP-2 ever ?
eternal talon
Isn't this breaking... several.. laws?
rocky wraith
Isn't this breaking... several.. laws?
yes :)
rocky wraith
Not legal, of reality.
yes :)
ocean lake
It wears pants
Hulk super stretch pants*
rocky wraith
https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677...
Your cells have to undergo specific checkpoint events of growth before dividing, failure to be highly accurate results in the cells growing too slow and dying due to shrinkage, or dying due to growing too large before cytokinesis, or senescing due to checkpoint breaches, or just straight up being unable to check for chromosomal errors resulting in genomic instability resulting in cancers and such.
this is magic :)
eternal talon
~~ALLENS~~
rocky wraith
Am I being stupid or does Allens stand for aliens?
yes
ocean lake
two decades of growth thrown into 30 seconds might result in cancer realistically..
celest pagoda
Allens?
It could be assumed that artifacts, or a process affected by them, factors into this. Maybe not an artifact directly but a product that was made as a result of the programs that researched them. We know Kovak had an iron grip on info.
rocky wraith
two decades of growth thrown into 30 seconds might result in cancer realisticall...
fun fact, its more likely the cells just straight up die than become cancerous
And because 23 maintains the same proportions during growth, it means that several key developmental stages were skipped over growth
celest pagoda
Even if we assume the growth is using alpha planets time fuckery, that's still only ~45 minutes from neonate to adult.
So I'd assume not so
rocky wraith
You all looking forward to competing against 23 and the army of baby looking prisoners
eternal talon
Am I being stupid or does Allens stand for aliens?
Temporary name for the hyper advanced ancient aliens that made the mwp, artifacts, and sent the meteor to earth
edgy hearth
I see,thank you
rocky wraith
LUM-3SS-6ZN.LOG talks about how they were aiming for 60 days as a realistic goal. So there exists the possibility that there is still time left to mature
eternal talon
It could be assumed that artifacts, or a process affected by them, factors into ...
Fun thing is, this isn't Kovac. The rise project was done by team insight under dreyfus.
eternal talon
Even if we assume the growth is using alpha planets time fuckery, that's still o...
It would have to be on destination to do that, we wouldn't be able to watch it grow from here on earth even if the contents of the pod was in destination's world line
edgy hearth
Didnt kovac have something similar to rise
celest pagoda
Fun thing is, this isn't Kovac. The rise project was done by team insight under ...
Rise is Kovac. Multiple logs depict Andre Piros and Anders Johanson as having control/administrative roles in RISE.
clever night
inb4 the baby is also feed something that makes it capable of going through the matter waves and actually live 85x faster will still displaying in our dimensions 
eternal talon
Rise is the knock-off
edgy hearth
inb4 the baby is also feed something that makes it capable of going through the ...
Was thinking of this
eternal talon
Rise is Kovac. Multiple logs depict Andre Piros and Anders Johanson as having co...
They worked with team insight on it yes, but it wasn't made under their company. They worked on it with insight down in garganta.
clever night
the ultimate specimen: invisible to sleepers, capable of teleportation and changing dimensions
eternal talon
Remember, Kovac was basically the government down there after it got made into an exclusion zone
edgy hearth
Owai wa mou shindeiru time
lilac island
why is this game difficult to play solo?
eternal talon
Owai wa mou shindeiru time
Using the sledgehammer 85x faster than us.
They're unstoppable
eternal talon
why is this game difficult to play solo?
It was made with 4 players in mind and there is zero balance changes to support solo play.
Even with bots you can only get so far.
celest pagoda
They worked with team insight on it yes, but it wasn't made under their company....
While that could be, this log specifically suggests RISE was kept secretive in some capacity, and Lockwood was actively kept in the dark.
eternal talon
to finish a1 in solo i spent like 15 hrs
You might want to look in pubs here to have someone teach you.. a1 shouldn't take more than 20 minutes at most.
eternal talon
While that could be, this log specifically suggests RISE was kept secretive in s...
Lockwood was SMC, wasn't he?
lilac island
when i played 1 year ago
rocky wraith
to finish a1 in solo i spent like 15 hrs
did you take bots?
eternal talon
when i played 1 year ago
Yes. As rundowns come out, the previous ones were deleted forever. That is, until recently.
edgy hearth
Even without bots the level isnt too difficult
rocky wraith
You might want to look in pubs here to have someone teach you.. a1 shouldn't tak...
I got it down to 8 mins 30 secs
hella speedy
lilac island
Yes. As rundowns come out, the previous ones were deleted forever. That is, unti...
nooo i loved playing them
eternal talon
Even without bots the level isnt too difficult
My solo only took 45 minutes and I went to burger King for half of it.
edgy hearth
Kek
celest pagoda
Lockwood was SMC, wasn't he?
He was head of Inisght, and took over Andrew Clinton's position after he was obliterated in the October 13th blast.
edgy hearth
Took 18 mins for me iirc
rocky wraith
nooo i loved playing them
they'll be coming back do't worry
edgy hearth
Well you got it done
lilac island
yeah
edgy hearth
That's all that matters
night sundial
LOOORRREEEEEEEE
edgy hearth
lilac island
but was the game supposed to be scary?
edgy hearth
Hm
Sometimes?
eternal talon
He was head of Inisght, and took over Andrew Clinton's position after he was obl...
Well then I can't quite say other than maybe he was kept out of the loop after he transfered to SMC. This is the information we have
clever night
but was the game supposed to be scary?
Yes
eternal talon
but was the game supposed to be scary?
Used to be, very.
I miss the old lighting engine where everything was pitch black and quiet.
rocky wraith
LOOORRREEEEEEEE
LOOOOOOOOOOOREE
edgy hearth
but was the game supposed to be scary?
Had an instance where for some reason we had no biotracker.made too much noise thinking the room was empty,only to see 20 sleepers glowing red in the pitch black
celest pagoda
Well then I can't quite say other than maybe he was kept out of the loop after h...
While that may be the case, my point is that Kovak was heading Rise.
rocky wraith
but was the game supposed to be scary?
on C1 yes
clever night
C1 was really nice
edgy hearth
I do miss the horror bits sometimes
eternal talon
While that may be the case, my point is that Kovak was heading Rise.
Kovac also had a gun to the head of everyone down there. I'm not arguing with you, I'm just saying it'd be strange for them not to.
rocky wraith
C1 was really nice
super buggy with checkpoints unforunately
eternal talon
Shit got tense real fast when nam-v got out.
clever night
super buggy with checkpoints unforunately
yeah that's something else
celest pagoda
Kovac also had a gun to the head of everyone down there. I'm not arguing with yo...
Can you reword? I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
eternal talon
LOOORRREEEEEEEE
IN THE PINNNNS
eternal talon
Can you reword? I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
yes, 1 sec
rocky wraith
yeah that's something else
the teams face when a forced adoption is made in front of everyone though
clever night
edgy hearth
Checkpoints bugs will no longer be considered bugs
But features
How dare you use the funny green circle door
rocky wraith
How dare you use the funny green circle door
lmao
how dare you reset to the checkpoint and not restart the entire thing as the wrdn intended
edgy hearth
It's especially fun when it happens in c2
rocky wraith
It's especially fun when it happens in c2
Lmao
You shouldn't be holding cells while doing the checkpoints as the cells are inwards bound while the checkpoints are outwards bound
edgy hearth
I wasnt even holding cells
I respawned holding one for some reason
eternal talon
yes, 1 sec
kovac had the entire site on lockdown and shot anyone who didn't comply.
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=e1d5d913782b47a28c42d7b491e5fe63&pm=s
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=9413fe16c73845cd8b3dcabd74237956&pm=s
(i cant find the log, but insert the log of the mexican government declaring martial law here)
it would be strange for kovac to not be aware of every little detail of things going down in garganta. if insight has a project, Kovac would know about them. and in this case, with it being so close to what legion was already doing, it'd make sense for them to involve themselves with it.
it looks like it was a project worked on by both companies, yes, but it was headed by Insight. proof of this is easily shown in the chambers and devices themselves, that have insight and dreyfus branding on them.
Kovac has nothing to do with dreyfus, they don't own them. Insight is a subsidiary of Dreyfus and all their stuff is branded as such.
Nyxos is a manufacturer, dreyfus isn't.
this is proof of them working together on it, but also them saying its going to their "private vault", not the standard Legion/Kovac stuff down in KDS-Deep
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=c3330a4f19734c54bb47511e92e41e87&pm=s
why dean lockwood wouldn't know what rise is? no fucking idea. it is strange from any angle, kovac involvement or not.
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=0ed84a108dba43c784b28326e6f6a588&pm=s
celest pagoda
kovac had the entire site on lockdown and shot anyone who didn't comply.
https:/...
Ok, now I get what you mean. While it is clear both companies experimented on neonates, it's clear that Kovac wanted to keep the rise project hidden from public knowledge, especially from lockwood. It makes no sense for Kovac to keep Lockwood from knowing about rise if he was part of it. Kovac is very clearly the head of Rise.
eternal talon
ehh, the objects themselves would say otherwise.
again, dreyfus branding
i'm only talking who is officially at the helm.
celest pagoda
this log also suggests secrecy
bottom line, specifically
Although unclear who made the statement, its clear lockwood was kept in the dark
eternal talon
here is one of the doctors working on legion talking about rise and their work on it. https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=bd87743403c54cd3a931792bbf13480e&pm=s
it is cooperative, no doubt. but those dreyfus logos didn't print themselves and i'm sure as hell Kovac Research wouldn't give dreyfus credit.
celest pagoda
I get the branding, but Kovak also had a deal with Dreyfus. Subsidiary or not, insight has little say in what their parent company does.
Also, the log presented is between two individuals working for Kovak specifically
eternal talon
I get the branding, but Kovak also had a deal with Dreyfus. Subsidiary or not, i...
true their initial deal was with dreyfus, but that was before anyone other than SMC was on the table.
smc has the shortest stick here, just sorting "being there" and digging while the important stuff is done by kovac and insight.
i dunno. it'd be weird for kovac to just run two completely separate private army programs simultaneously for no good reason.
celest pagoda
i dunno. it'd be weird for kovac to just run two completely separate private arm...
This log suggests Rise as a follow up of some sorts to LEIGON.
A successor, next step, etc.
eternal talon
potentially, still, dreyfus and insight markings have me questioning it.
toxic wagon
You shouldn't be holding cells while doing the checkpoints as the cells are inwa...
This doesn't guarantee the bug doesnt happen. And also this is lore channel
eternal talon
should 7.5 or 8 come out with more information or a concrete answer on the topic, i'll be happy to update the "for dummies" with it.
good talk.
toxic wagon
I'm waiting for baby to become a weapon to surpass metal gear
eternal talon
This doesn't guarantee the bug doesnt happen. And also this is lore channel
we had quite a bit of off-topic earlier.
channel was a mess of activity for a bit.
celest pagoda
potentially, still, dreyfus and insight markings have me questioning it.
I do understand that, but I'm fairly certain the only device marked with an insight logo was the MWP, was it not?
toxic wagon
And oof
eternal talon
I do understand that, but I'm fairly certain the only device marked with an insi...
technically speaking, i believe so. though it's been too long since i've had a good look at the other hammerstein collection artifacts.
stickler is the dreyfus, since they sorta dont really ever do anything at all in garganta, they aren't even there. only their two subsidiaries
and.. well, smc isn't the kind to manufacture those parts,
and most already have the nyxos' label on them.
also, might i just add, the whole thing with nyxos is very strange.
they aren't related to ANY of the three main companies
yet they are just sorta.. there. building and shipping custom parts for dreyfus and kovac
stuff you'd be certain would be top secrete
they send to a 3rd party manufacturer
i mean, fuck, some of their shit is on destination afik!
yeah
celest pagoda
stickler is the dreyfus, since they sorta dont really ever do anything at all in...
This isnt entirely true. Dreyfus, while not working directly in Garganta, fund their subsidiaries and supplies their subsids such as insight with supplies. I think its fair to assume Dreyfus was supplying Kovak in a simmilar manner to how they were for Insight. While Kovak is not a subsid, they are a partner, and a valueable one to Dreyfus. Dreyfus would absolutely supply Kovak with what they needed or wanted.
celest pagoda
also, might i just add, the whole thing with nyxos is very strange.
As I understand, Nyxos is another partner, like Kovak but less sinister. Unlike other suppliers, Nyxos seems to care less about what their supplies are used for, good or bad.
eternal talon
I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong
celest pagoda
While it mainly has shown that Nyxos supplied mining supplies, it is shown in two logs that they have some hand in the creation/production of neonate hsus. A strange outlier.
eternal talon
Their branding isn't on the neonatal units. Strange Indeed.
Also, I'm sorry, what?
15,000 neonatal units?
How many were they planning on making before they abandoned the project?
celest pagoda
This is the log prior to the one dated April 20th, 2063. I believe this was the Warden preparing a list of supplies for its goals.
I assume thats what R4 to R5 was, major supply runs.
Lots of those expeditions talked of requiring materials such as those for a next phase. Said phase might have started, or been related to, our actions in R7.
apologies, I forgot the other half of that first log
here is the second log:
This log brings up something thats still unclear. The Warden is attempting to create something related to the units
clever night
I love the init_rise(*.g, *.t, *.f, *.o) line
celest pagoda
Using the "Current" method, it would take ~311 days until the Warden got what it wanted. Using "RISE" method, it would take ~13 days
celest pagoda
I love the `init_rise(*.g, *.t, *.f, *.o)` line
This also might be a nod to legion designations, although that would be odd given this is a rise-related sequence.
G - Genesis
T - Tau
F - Sigma (Woods is Sigma; F-2056; Odd for F to stand for Sigma)
O - (Unstated, possibly Omega)
eternal talon
This is the log prior to the one dated April 20th, 2063. I believe this was the ...
In the middle of r3. Date lines up with wrdn twitter.
eternal talon
This also might be a nod to legion designations, although that would be odd give...
Omega would be my best guess.
celest pagoda
Omega would be my best guess.
Ah, didnt think o that
clever night
Omega makes sens
But as you said it doesn't sound related
I think the line is just meant as a bit of fun to poke with the name of the game
it's like a mix of Logs and Code
the star is a wildcard of everything that ends in .g(.t.f.o) but it's not in a string literal, so in 99.9% of programming language, this does not make sense for the interpreter/compiler
eternal talon
celest pagoda
Headed off to classes for now, good talk.
rocky wraith
This also might be a nod to legion designations, although that would be odd give...
F is for failures
O is for sigma I think
celest pagoda
O is for sigma I think
Given that woods was stated to be Sigma gen, and is designated F-2056, I'm fairly certain that F is Sigma. Sigma gens also tend to take leadership roles, and given that woods is characterized as a leader, it lines up.
rocky wraith
Given that woods was stated to be Sigma gen, and is designated F-2056, I'm fairl...
He was designated faulty afterwards and given new designation letter F
he was orignially sigma
eternal talon
He was designated faulty afterwards and given new designation letter F
when?
rocky wraith
when?
gimme a min
we went over this a while back
Can you send photos of the self-harm you indicated with 0-2056?
Can you send me a list of the operatives you marked as faulty
56HF2.LOG
eternal talon
doesn't that log also say it sends faulty KSOs to recycling?
eternal talon
and woods isn't in a woodchipper
rocky wraith
because they were being reprocessed
Basically they noticed some F operatives were taking command roles or something
and wanted to repurpose them
celest pagoda
It's directly stated Sigma Gen specifically are those operatives.
I've got to head out for now, but I'll check back later on.
harsh saffron
I’m worried if we don’t solve this issue we may end up with a failure cascade. These HSUs are all F/Infected classification so I guess it wouldn’t be the end of the world if we lost the meat, but the freezers may come in handy someday - or at least we may end up needing them as Deep backups or organ donations etc.
Something I was reading earlier, seems to be mildly relevant here.
rocky wraith
> I’m worried if we don’t solve this issue we may end up with a failure cascade....
oh! log?
eternal talon
can do. it's talking about the warden purging infected ksos while still in stasis
eternal talon
just posted art in #gtfo-media
eternal talon
F for Fucked.
rocky wraith
G - genesis
T - Tau
F - Infected (fucked)
O - sigma
clever night
F for Fucked.
I had the same thought
harsh saffron
maybe it is faulty, but they mean infected
rocky wraith
lower case Sigma is an o btw
clever night
G - genesis
T - Tau
F - Infected (fucked)
O - sigma
still it makes less sense
rocky wraith
not an E
young hedge
Would that mean Hackett is a sigma with his prisoner ID being O-4711?
young hedge
Bishop also has an O in his ID I always thought it stand for Operative butttttt
GO-1395 can he be genesis and sigma? can there be two sigmas in one group?
eternal talon
BISHOP, FRANK GO-1395
HACKETT, AIDEN O-4711
WOODS, ISAIAH F-2056
DAUDA, ABEO T-3701
bishop is both genesis and sigma
hackett is sigma
woods is sigma, again, for some reason
dauda is tau
young hedge
Poor Dauda is the only non sigma then </3
eternal talon
dauda isn't normal
young hedge
Was it ever explained what a Tau does? I don't really remember
eternal talon
he wasn't a part of the legion program
young hedge
Ik that
young hedge
We never gotten Schaeffers prisoner ID right? Only his clearance number?
eternal talon
he is a pit boss
he works for santonian
basically middle-management
also what do you mean "prisoner ID"?
you mean personnel id?
there are no canonical prisoners
schaeffer talks about it in relation to us being slaves to the wrdn, but we aren't "prisoners"
its not an official term
eternal talon
https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=62ee52cf061d4beca0c7a5bbd7796c16&pm=s
this is the only log that mentions tau
young hedge
Oh I guess we don't know much about Taus yet
eternal talon
eternal talon
What?
young hedge
okay so they're not prisoner IDs would Operative classes sound better? Generations? I'm asking if there's an official name for how they classify the operatives
I wish I had that much
candid rapids
whats the lore accuyrate explanation of schae (i call him shcae we're close) brust cannons (he has 4 I think)
eternal talon
The objective items we collect are called personnel IDs. Still PIDS.
Just different acronym
eternal talon
okay so they're not prisoner IDs would Operative classes sound better? Generatio...
Oh
We are KSOs.
Kovac security operatives.
That's the official term
eternal talon
whats the lore accuyrate explanation of schae (i call him shcae we're close) bru...
What is this supposed to mean
As far as we know he doesn't have access to guns, or didn't. He worked for smc. He was just a simple middle manager, not a soldier or security guard.
candid rapids
ok how did he solo r5e1 with a burst canon OUT OF RUNDOWN
young hedge
We are KSOs.
Oh wait duh that makes sense sorry I like blank sometimes on some lore stuff considering how convoluted it gets
eternal talon
He didn't. He caused the lock down that we have to go in and fix.
candid rapids
why
eternal talon
Because sleepers were following him and didn't want to die?
Same reason dauda fled and got cornered
He's not a soldier
eternal talon
Oh wait duh that makes sense sorry I like blank sometimes on some lore stuff con...
Your fine
candid rapids
do you think he used a hanaway TR 22
eternal talon
do you think he used a hanaway TR 22
I think you are trolling.
And no, he didnt.
candid rapids
eternal talon
At that time he was crawling through vents all alone and afraid, he had nothing
candid rapids
what about klaus
eternal talon
Klaus is a kso, so he would have training. Though given Schaeffer woke him up, I doubt he'd have weapons on-hand unless he found one to use between then and now.
candid rapids
like hackett
eternal talon
Hackett is also a kso, but he drops with us. WRDN keeps us supplied with arms and ammo when we need them.
eternal talon
No
candid rapids
Schaeffer did it too
candid rapids
Oh
eternal talon
If you are new to gtfo lore, I highly recommend reading the "for dummies" doc in the pins.
It explains the majority of the lore
candid rapids
why did you call me a dummy
eternal talon
I did not. The title is a joke of a popular how-to book series
candid rapids
oh I see I did not know I am from hong kong
candid rapids
but that would make me a dummy
eternal talon
The file is too large to click expand. You must either click "view whole file", or download it.
eternal talon
I am now confident you are just trolling.
candid rapids
oh
eternal talon
So I'm going to stop replying.
candid rapids
my badd
merry frost
@livid grotto do the zombies starve to death if they don't eat brains?
merry frost
Why not?
eternal talon
They might find it annoying?
merry frost
eternal talon
They told you not to talk to them last time.
merry frost
But I need to know if the zombies starve to death
livid grotto
RyK owned...
livid grotto
oh no
eternal talon
Please leave him alone
vestal delta
candid rapids
wanna be friends?
eternal talon
This channel is a circus
candid rapids
kill the zombies together
vestal delta
what
candid rapids
🧐
vestal delta
let me read
merry frost
If I afk after I drop down into the complex can they starve to death???
eternal talon
Stop. Please
livid grotto
frostty
eternal talon
Does what work
candid rapids
if the zombies starve?
livid grotto
yeah all good, ryk is one of those GTFO veterans who HATE the lore
vestal delta
go to #gtfo-chat or something
candid rapids
Ok sorry dad
livid grotto
anyways, frostty I suppose you heard the recent news about the GTFO team slowly moving out
eternal talon
This game has been doubling its lore content every rundown.
livid grotto
to make an another game, do you think they will finish the lore?
eternal talon
Yeah, apparently all old rundowns are coming back.
livid grotto
or there's still too much stuff to uncover
eternal talon
With an in-lore twist as to why.
As for them finishing everything, they will almost certainly try,
livid grotto
let's hope so
edgy hearth
Time to embrace PTSD
eternal talon
But I feel it will still have some loose ends.
edgy hearth
I dont look forward to r2 and r4
eternal talon
R2 wasn't that bad, it was just really difficult when it first came out. It has really good environmental storytelling
R3 especially, though I never finished it.
eternal talon
Honestly r2e1 feels almost identical to r7a1. Not even joking
edgy hearth
Are you for real?
eternal talon
From what I remember, its basically the same concept.
merry frost
#gtfo-chat please, this is not lore.....
eternal talon
Anyway,
As for the returning rundown thing, they will try almost certainly but I don't think it will cover all bases.
I don't think rushing it will let it come anywhere close to a satisfying ending.
Which leaves the possibility for them doing an open ending.
Which... would not be good for the lore, if good sequel bait.
halcyon scroll
@eternal talon If you're interested I put the for Dummies text into a google doc, added some indents and gave it the source code pro font.
livid grotto
not a huge fan of open endings, especially for video games
eternal talon
<@385612298045358082> If you're interested I put the for Dummies text into a goo...
No thanks, I use .txt for a reason. I don't have good access to internet where I live so I like having stuff offline
eternal talon
not a huge fan of open endings, especially for video games
Was the same case for Dragons Dogma, and that game's lore was fucking fantastic. Can only wait and see.
No point in worrying about it now I suppose.
livid grotto
dragons Dogma good game
versed bronze
dogma nuts
eternal talon
You can stop joking around now RyK.
merry frost
I'm not joking
This is actually making me shake reading "dogma nuts" in the lore channel
eternal talon
I've already @ed the mods, they're probably still here.
halcyon scroll
Do you guys ever suggest additions to the lore?
eternal talon
We do not have contact with the devs for that, no.
We do occasionally ask the community manager for clarification but we do not have any input into the lore of the game.
late raven
With the amount of loose ends and unexplained stuff that are still connected to the lore it will probably be hard to not leave some things open though
eternal talon
Indeed.
halcyon scroll
I'm excited to dive into this stuff
candid rapids
RyK? Rick? @gentle minnow
eternal talon
Every rundown increasing the total.
halcyon scroll
Are the logs pinned too?
eternal talon
No, they are archived on the wiki and the notion.so
The notion.so is in timeline format
The wiki has them sorted exclusively by rundown and has text versions of the audio logs
eternal talon
Yes.
halcyon scroll
How far in the game should I be before checking out the timeline vid and the logs?
eternal talon
Duck's timeline vid is up to date currently but doesn't include everything.
The logs you can view anytime as the overwhelming majority are before the events of the game in 2064.
halcyon scroll
Cool
eternal talon
You could easily read all of the logs and the for dummies before even launching a1 without spoiling yourself.
Most of it is just background material.
In fact, it may help understand some things that DO happen during gameplay
halcyon scroll
Would I be missing much since I missed the previous rundown missions?
eternal talon
In terms of lore during game events? Eeehhh
A bit
Mostly in regards to r5e1 onwards
But most of those would be easy to have someone explain to you once you know the background material
halcyon scroll
I'll start reading now. Thanks.
burnt wren
devs promised to reimplement old lore at some point, somehow
halcyon scroll
Maybe they should do a video series or something
eternal talon
Indeed, though they technically already do externally on the SMC website.
burnt wren
external lore bad
eternal talon
Depends. The email thing they did was fun.
halcyon scroll
What was that?
eternal talon
And I really loved the coordinate hunt during r6.5
eternal talon
What was that?
They emailed all GTFO ambassadors an exclusive log detailing Schaeffer's application to work at SMC
halcyon scroll
Is that log available on the wiki?
halcyon scroll
thx
eternal talon
Use link at the bottom for unredacted version
halcyon scroll
The link isn't showing
eternal talon
It's in the picture
halcyon scroll
I see now
eternal talon
A part of the scan
halcyon scroll
I'll type it out
eternal talon
Yep
burnt wren
never seen that application before
exactly why external lore is cringe...
but it is an interesting read
eternal talon
If you signed up for the ambassadors you would've
Everyone got emailed it
EVERYONE
halcyon scroll
I must have made a mistake typing it at some point but I got an error 404
I copied the link tho
eternal talon
I know others also had that issue
Let me see if I can find anything using the search function
clever night
I think the notion has the unredacted version if you need
easier than typing it out
crimson night
eternal talon
Nice!
halcyon scroll
thanks
eternal talon
What's up
eternal talon
I'm not answering that.
candid rapids
i'm a bit of connoisseur
eternal talon
NO
candid rapids
would you like to see more?
vivid current
So I read the lore for dummies doc, and I'm confused about the current situation on earth. To what extent are people alive on earth? Are only living people the ones in complex? Is the kovac industry and other companies still functioning with some employees still working for them? Or is the 4 players and the two guys the only living people?
eternal talon
According to TSOT calculations, all of humanity would be dead by the year 2059. It is currently the year 2064.
It is best assumed at current that there is no more than 100k humans left on earth, ~32k of which are us KSOs down in the complex.
(Not taking into account any dead KSOs)
We have no evidence to suggest Kovac, Dreyfus, Smc, or any major company, government, or organization is still alive on the surface other than the remnants of the World Heath Organization that planned an expedition to the source of the virus (Garganta) but as far as we know they were never heard from again as the transmission is still looping when we find it on a terminal.
So for them either they died off before they could conduct the expedition, they did and sleepers killed them, they did and we haven't heard anything else about it or seen any of the side-effects of them breaking down here through the sealed doors.
You see, when biocom went rogue and was taken over by the WRDN, ALL zones and bulkheads were sealed tight.
Nobody in, or out.
Since only the virus made it to the surface, that means sleepers are an exclusive problem down here with us.
If the WHO made it down here.. well let's just say be glad we have the world's population of corpses and not sleepers.
@vivid current
vivid current
Oh I see. I didn't realize that there were so many people in the complex. Pretty much all of the 32K KSO are in hydrostasis, right?
Also, why doesnt people outside turn into sleepers? I thought parasite-virus got released into public?
clever night
Only the virus got out, if I understood correctly what Frostty mentionned earlier
The parasite is required to keep hosts of the virus alive
vivid current
Huh. How does parasites spread, and do we know what they look like?
eternal talon
we do not know how the parasite specifically looks or spreads
we know far less about it than we do the virus.
eternal talon
The parasite is required to keep hosts of the virus alive
yes, according to the new r7e1 log. i will post. 1 second.
vivid current
Interesting. So are the sleepers we see in game supposed to be former humans mutated by parasite+virus, or are they aliens?
*former aliens
Or is it a mix?
eternal talon
the ones we see in-game are entirely humans
we haven't met a sleeperized-allen, but they are described in logs.
edgar encounters one
aside from the floaters and kraken on destination
these aren't human.
they are infected alien lifeforms from destination that came to earth in r6b1 when they followed us through our tether.
burnt wren
there's also a possibility they could be some form of an original carrier
but its a small one
vivid current
kraken is the giant thing from R6 with pimple we had to pop, right?
eternal talon
vivid current
yeah thats the one
eternal talon
that is a giant infected.. cephalopod of some kind
vivid current
Did Biocom go rogue before warden was installed or was the reason Biocom seemed to go rogue because warden was installed
vivid current
do we know who could have done it or why it was done?
eternal talon
we do not know who installed it or why.
we also do not know what it's motives are.
we do know what it is though
it is a decision AI
vivid current
Also, why do we keep on going to Destination? Is it only because Warden orders us to, or do we as a group have some reason?
cobalt mulch
i guess they had decades of genome studies and results saved over there (time wtfery), pieces of wrdn puzzle or sth
burnt wren
mostly warden, sometimes we get sent there randomly
we REALLY don't have any fucking agency at the moment
we just barely gained it during D2
vivid current
we just barely gained it during D2
wdym? we have a agency now?
burnt wren
up until now we were KSOs
we just follow warden's orders, simple as
no dreams, no goals
chip in the neck
eternal talon
ehh, it's still 50/50
burnt wren
Up until D2 schaeffer forces us to do his bidding by blocking our progress, and offering us a deal - you get me my shit, i open your door
burnt wren
in D2 schaeffer actually, directly asked us to ignore warden's objective stacks, in part of the complex where we are not supposed to be
and for some reasons we listened?
I have no fucking idea what happened. If you ask me - i'll say "bad writing".
eternal talon
we are in an "out of range" error
he could have dropped us into a zone that is out of range
like KDS-DEEP was before r5
burnt wren
realistically we should do what Bishop did during planetside expedition
which is be useless and keep saying that he "awaits his objective stacks"
vivid current
What is schaeffer's goal? He seems to have succeeded in hijacking Warden, but does he know what is going on outside and understand all this stuff about virus, parasite, and Destination?
burnt wren
His goal is simply freedom at the moment
He believes warden to be his actual warden or something and he just wants out
I do not think he understand what's actually going on
Unit 22 tried to explain it to him in R6DX. Schaeffer didn't listen and caved in Unit's skull.
Me thinks he's kinda delusional at the moment.
vivid current
Unit 22 tried to explain it to him in R6DX. Schaeffer didn't listen and caved in...
RIP
I regret not playing R6DX over summer
burnt wren
He also doomed Hendrikson too when he woke him up.
At some point we'll have same conflict as was in that one movie... The Passengers?
vivid current
seems like that had a lot of interesting lores
Hopefully we wont have to kill him or anything. Humans are endangered enough already.
burnt wren
i'm putting 5$ Hendrikson is going to kill him with his own hands eventually
Either that or NAM-V is going to get them
eternal talon
okay i'm back. sorry, was in the finale of c1.
vivid current
I'm surprised that not everyone in complex got infected with NAM-V. We are in the place the virus came from, surrounded by virus-carrying parasites.
eternal talon
I'm surprised that not everyone in complex got infected with NAM-V. We are in th...
well...
thats not the reason
vivid current
Maybe they'll reveal that we are already infected and its actually dormant or something
hmm?
burnt wren
Maybe they'll reveal that we are already infected and its actually dormant or so...
that's literally it
we are infected, all of us
eternal talon
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=cca20197c3ab4a7291e4100247b7aa78&pm=s two idiots didn't follow quarantine
vivid current
lol
eternal talon
thats why it got out
burnt wren
we have a log that claims that they found a way to remove the parasite
but virus stays
HSU just delays the inevitable
eternal talon
but virus stays
once you get nam-v, you stay isolated
or something along those lines
burnt wren
Every day both Shaff and Hendrikson spend in the complex - is one day towards their eventual demise
I think that's going to be a major plot point for the drama between the two
eternal talon
its weird though
vivid current
Huh. The virus seems pretty slow to work then
eternal talon
schaeffer's been out and about down here for 2 years without hydrostasis
and he seems fine
burnt wren
Shaff is delusional, but Hendrikson is not. When he finds out that the are infected and that he's basically doomed to die - he'll have a couple of strong words to say to Shaff.
eternal talon
it kills in weeks
burnt wren
Yeah, what Frosty said is our major plot hole right now. It makes no fucking sense.
eternal talon
no, the major plot hole is the other one involving schaeffer.
burnt wren
The logs point that you have about 2-3 months from infection to guaranteed death.
eternal talon
the schaeffer discrepancy involving KDS-Deep
vivid current
the schaeffer discrepancy involving KDS-Deep
what is that?
eternal talon
schaeffer is out and about and breaks free of the wrdn in r4.
problem is, wrdn doesn't have access to KDS deep to go get him until r5.
burnt wren
Basically it's not understood how Warden got a hold of Shaff
It's like he just... Teleports around the complex.
eternal talon
how does he break free before the wrdn can even access his HSU?
vivid current
oh that is weird
burnt wren
I've seen a video footage of devs claiming that "everything that you see is there for a reason"
But it really feels like a massive cope and them just saying "it just makes sense, trust me bro"
eternal talon
It's like he just... Teleports around the complex.
VENTS
thats the only answer we are given in his audio logs.
burnt wren
image of HSU crawling through a vent
eternal talon
burnt wren
yeah, just editr the entire HSU on that
GTFO canon lore, people
laughs hysterically
i swear, this shit will be an utter mess by R10
eternal talon
if we get to an r10
they are already making a new game and want to finish the story of gtfo.
vivid current
About the "mental health decline" cited in the lore doc, is this caused by virus or do we have no idea what the cause is?
eternal talon
the virus.
vivid current
Yeah its weird how 10 chambers already started working on new game after GTFO has been out for only about a year
burnt wren
game devs just do that sometimes, its normal
Warframe's Digital Extremes also recently had a split
A bunch of original devs split off and went to make a new game
as part of DE still, but you know
vivid current
I'm worried that they will just go in maintenance mode on this game so soon
burnt wren
we'll see...
they promised that it should be fine, but you know... Corporate speak and all that.
eternal talon
do i win?
burnt wren
yep, perfect
eternal talon
eternal talon
hahahaha
eternal talon
What is schaeffer's goal? He seems to have succeeded in hijacking Warden, but do...
not wrdn, biocom. it is two puppeteers controlling the same set of strings.
eternal talon
I've seen a video footage of devs claiming that "everything that you see is ther...
i think this was when i explicitly asked them about it on one of their Q/A livestreams
eternal talon
not wrdn, biocom. it is two puppeteers controlling the same set of strings.
biocom has been fighting to free itself from wrdn to this very day. and now it has TWO entities controlling it. #feelsbadman
vivid current
poor biocom
vivid current
the only way I this story ends "well" is if biocom can be freed and instructed to make cure to virus or something like that
eternal talon
we'd have to find a cure first.
vivid current
yeah I meant have it find cure
eternal talon
the units started as human, but i doubt you'd consider them still human given the extensive mutations
vivid current
oh I dont mean curing sleepers. I mean curing all the humans in hydrostasis
eternal talon
wrdn purged a lot of them really early on.
sadly not many left, infected or not.
wrdn also killed a LOT of the remaining staff with the lockdown
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=860f5b5e30304a4fa8f9e554b95a4bdd&pm=s
**Oh jesus christ no what the hell is that please come and get me please I am begging you
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Oh no please you fucking assholes
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../BIOCOM
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this guy was locked in a zone with sleepers and eaten alive.
we can't say for certain how many KSOs are left down here.. but..
i wouldn't say that many.
thats ignoring WRDN sending them on suicide missions every rundown
when you click on a level in the rundown screen, the "last transmission" are the last words of squads the WRDN has sent before us that died.
WRDN is ruthless in it's efforts.. to do whatever it is desperately trying to do.
vivid current
oof. it makes me wonder if wrdn might not actually be the bad guy
eternal talon
how so?
granted we have no idea what its goals are, but it's certainly not humane about it
killing hundreds of people in its missions, and even before that during the initial site lockdown
it killed and compromised every infected HSU, sealed off the entire site leaving people trapped to die below, sabotaged reactors and certain electrical systems,
its sent us on suicide missions several times, we just keep coming back alive.
vivid current
Maybe it was uploaded into biocom to have the complex investigation be completed without kovac or other companies' interference by a dissenting group or something.
eternal talon
that is one of the popular origin theories.
but we dont know specifically when it was intalled
before, or after sleeper outbreak.
we only know a general range, and thats an estimate at best.
that's not saying there'd not be reason, kovac isn't the nicest of companies, and that's not out of the standard either. just about everyone down here is a killer.
hackett, killed his brother, mother, and an entire village of people. woods killed 12 at a military base and declared it divine retribution.
duada worked for shady people and did human testing with nam-v.
bishop, well he's the least bad of them but he got in because of corporate blackmail against the CEO of dreyfus.
they'd have certainly not let him walk.
midnight crypt
Where do you find all this stuff
eternal talon
the logs.
midnight crypt
Just across terminals and stuff
eternal talon
i read them all the time and im here practically all day every day.
no, some logs are exclusive to the santonian industries website
not everything is in-game
midnight crypt
Oh
eternal talon
even during rundowns.
but a LOT of it is just researching every last sentence for hours on end.
vivid current
Does timeline allow Warden to have been installed by WHO during their expedition, if it was successful?
eternal talon
one of the devs asked for a quick nerdy summary as a joke, this was the response i gave in only a couple minutes.
#social-feed message
i know way, way too much about GTFO lore. i'm probably the most active person in this channel
eternal talon
Does timeline allow Warden to have been installed by WHO during their expedition...
no.
the broadcast is at the very end of the timeline
before the 2063 log, it was the last.
vivid current
ah okay
eternal talon
here is a link to the notion.so https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0
its the archive i use the most during my research, though at the start of every rundown and extension i run through and collect my own screenshots and post them here for others to archive
(here is that WHO broadcast btw) https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=db54486eb4924b39969d9d7b9003bf0b&pm=s
edgy hearth
Damn the surface is fucked
edgy hearth
Makes you wonder the point of any of the missions
eternal talon
we have no choice in the missions
edgy hearth
Tru
eternal talon
we simply do as the wrdn commands. we are slaves.
edgy hearth
Does someone control the warden or is itpurely an ai or sumthin
eternal talon
we don't know
edgy hearth
Oh boi
eternal talon
it is a DI, a decision intelligence injected into the BIOCOM network that forcefully took control.
we dont know if it gets its orders from someone/something else or if it is acting on its own
for all we know the allens could have injected it, we simply have no information.
if you aren't familiar with the lore, i highly recommend reading the "for dummies" doc in the pins, as it is a general summary of pre-apocalypse lore.
eternal talon
it's too big to click expand, as such you'll either have to download it or click "view whole file"
edgy hearth
Got it
merry frost
@livid grotto how does the mother feed her babies? does she have an udder like a cow?
eternal talon
Not again.. ffs
lilac island
what are the Mayan Flea Demons?
eternal talon
It is a name given to nam-v and the parasite by the ancient Mayans to describe them and the sleepers they encountered during earthquakes.
edgy hearth
Gtfo DLC-Mayan edition
How they would deal with a tank or a charger
God only knows
Is there any inlore explanation for why there are only 4 people per expedition
I know the crane can only seat 4 but cant it just go back up
And get more
burnt wren
How they would deal with a tank or a charger
God only knows
I mean, IRL mayans went extinct due to unknown reasons (unless they solved that mystery in the last decade)
I think the game tries to imply that flea demons were responsible for that
eternal talon
Is there any inlore explanation for why there are only 4 people per expedition
I...
It's just how Kovac set it up
We were made from the start to be in "quads" of 4
burnt wren
Because developers are unoriginal and cant come up with new idea, nor balance around them
higher than 4 would probably be too much
2 is too few
has any coop game tried 3? just for the sake of experiment?
eternal talon
Destiny
burnt wren
is it? i thought it was 4 as well
eternal talon
is it? i thought it was 4 as well
It's 3 for fireteams and 6 for raids.
solar nova
has any coop game tried 3? just for the sake of experiment?
Hunt: Showdown has 2/3 as loose game modes.
burnt wren
Not really coop if i remember
Literal wild west
you can coop, or you can shoot the guy in the head
burnt wren
yeah, haven't played it, just loose stuff on youtube
i can never tell who is on whose side
some people shoot each other, some dont
solar nova
You literally drop in as a team.
You can see each other through walls from any distance.
And, obviously, if you TK you can get banned.
You can drop solo ofc, but there is no solo mode (for bounty hunt, anyway, which is the main gamemode people play for).
You will always face either duos or trios.
It's a battle royal, not a survival game lmfao.
solemn kraken
has any coop game tried 3? just for the sake of experiment?
Meaby not 3, but Arma allows for much larger groups than 4
harsh saffron
Aliens: Fireteam Elite has 3 player teams
solemn kraken
I mentioned destiny right at the start
I played D2 briefly never touching those games again.
Bungie has completely lost it.
eternal talon
D1 was far better. D2 is horrible with the removal of content and grindyness of it.
solemn kraken
Nah I'm happy with Soulsborne, GTFO and total war warhammer.
eternal talon
SKAVEN SLAVES
solemn kraken
*SKAVEN SLAVES*
Exactly
solemn kraken
*SKAVEN SLAVES*
My goal is to repopulate the warhammer world with rats. To make it more immersive and close to reality
ocean lake
oh yeah breed those buff rats
livid grotto
D1 was far better. D2 is horrible with the removal of content and grindyness of ...
^
dull pasture
Plot twist, all of this was a punishment simulation, everyone ingame is in a virtual world living the nightmare that is the endless rundowns the warden sends them on as their punishment for their crimes. The Warden is just selecting the current program each time you descend, and you cant die, you just reset
To live, suffer, and die over and over again. And if you do survive, you just start again, losing all your progress. But you are rewarded with different clothes each time. Shame you have to get bitten, poisoned by gas, etc each time you do another "run".
eternal talon
I find that very unlikely.
burnt wren
Reminds me of my theory that Killing Floor 2 characters are just the superior better ZEDs.
At least mine had evidence supporting it...
eternal talon
Some of the Information we have been given by the devs directly contradicts this. Most notably during our most recent chat over "meters vs miles" in relation to one of the logs. The devs outright said such a thing was a typo on their part. We also have coordinates for locations in our own universe that are far beyond earth
Were it to be a simulation, there would be many issues related to how information given by them previously has been conveyed.
burnt wren
Also "it was a dream" plotpoint is cringe and everyone hates them.
Unless they are used to retcon genuinely bad movies, but it haven't happened even once yet so.
clever night
Agreed, this trope is just lazy and sucks
solemn kraken
Also "it was a dream" plotpoint is cringe and everyone hates them.
Unless they a...
If only the last season of GoT could be a dream 😔
dull pasture
Lore Wise, why are there no grenades in gtfo? Seems like the perfect solution to sleepers.
stuck aspen
its not wise to use explosives in somewhat unstable cavern areas
the sound also attracts even more
clever night
Limited resources, cave systems are susceptible to collapsing, and Kovac's mission on site was defense, not warfare, so grenades shouldn't be required
dull pasture
cough cough mine deployer
clever night
Mine deployer is a repurposed mining tool
dull pasture
Ah so not land mine, but mining mine?
clever night
I'm not saying they were using mines for mining
Maybe there was no mine deployers initially and it just got built into one
I'm not a mining expert so I can't really tell
solemn kraken
I'm not a mining expert so I can't really tell
hmmm some people spend their time in the salt mines meaby they would know... Time to go ask steam discussions
clever night
the finest salt, sadly they're as incompetent as me
solemn kraken
<:kek:778700679186219028> the finest salt, sadly they're as incompetent as me
Worse even
clever night
Aww thank you
Found this huge pdf file about using mining explosives (with Australian regulations) from 2008, i'll take a quick read
https://www.resources.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/240354/qld-guidance-note-11.pdf
burnt wren
Actually we really shouldn't be using explosives around unstable underground facility filled with expensive and delicate tech all over the place. Realistically we shoudn't be allowed to bring mines to any reactors, yet we are.
Even devs aknowledge that mine deployer was a mistake, in more sense than one.
clever night
Oh right, reactors
clever night
tbh i'm not a fan of the reactor gimmick, but I know it's the bread and butter of high end level
Which level tier had a reactor at the lowest ? C ?
solemn kraken
tbh i'm not a fan of the reactor gimmick, but I know it's the bread and butter o...
I find that they can be excellent
solemn kraken
Which level tier had a reactor at the lowest ? C ?
R3A3 had one 😂
clever night
R3A3 had one 😂
Oh that's great I would love to see that
solemn kraken
Oh that's great I would love to see that
I'll go record one today or this weekend
But The good reactors are the kind where it's not just holding a bridge
clever night
Don't worry i'll just wait for content re-release, I'm patient
Anyway let's take this out of topic elsewhere
clever night
dull pasture
Your honour, I would like a warrant to search the computer belonging to discord name "Myresa". This individual has a long and suspicious internet search record focused around explosives, mining explosives, and if explosives would affect a reactor.
😉
pine agate
Which level tier had a reactor at the lowest ? C ?
R4E1 reactor 
eternal talon
Isn't r7e1 also a reactor??
solemn kraken
Isn't r7e1 also a reactor??
Yes the only one this rundown
Every rundown has had at least one
burnt wren
Reactors are super fun imho.
They should try doing an A1 reactor with diminished hordes. Maybe as a secondary.
still ether
nah make the secondary and overload objectives brutal.
I see no reason to make extra objectives balanced to base level, it's something meant for replayability
if they added challenge to A1 I'd probably play it more than once
but it's always a snoozefest
solemn kraken
Reactors are super fun imho.
They should try doing an A1 reactor with diminished...
R3A3 was the earliest one. a very simpel and straightforward reactor
burnt wren
nah make the secondary and overload objectives brutal.
I see no reason to make e...
I see the reason. Would be unfair if new players went into it blindly and got immediately rekt by C-D tier objective. It would feel unfair. At worst they should be like B, tops.
still ether
at the same they were called extreme and overload difficulties, meaning they're meant to be hard. I could understand some balance changes since now it's called secondary but if a player isn't able to do a hard objective they shouldn't do it
solemn kraken
at the same they were called extreme and overload difficulties, meaning they're ...
r5A2PE 🤣 that was just a troll, it had to be
still ether
r5A2PE 🤣 that was just a troll, it had to be
I feel like it was a good reflection of if a challenging objective is too hard, don't do it
solemn kraken
I feel like it was a good reflection of if a challenging objective is too hard, ...
yeah but for new players it was just .... a man so many people wiped on that
still ether
yeah, I feel like the gets too easy on beginners now
burnt wren
oh never said it was a bad thing. that was the way to learn
... Checkpoints?
solemn kraken
... Checkpoints?
no checkpoints in R5
burnt wren
Hence "was" the way to learn
solemn kraken
but .. R5A2 was pretty short even PE
solemn kraken
Hence "was" the way to learn
yes 😭
burnt wren
10 hour A1 PE lmao
solemn kraken
10 hour A1 PE lmao
R5A1 was pretty long ngl. it only had sec tho. but R5A2 was one of the shorter missions
merry frost
@livid grotto can you explain to me how shadows can obscure light enough for them to cast a shadow on the ground, meaning that they are absorbing some of the photons, but if a shadow is standing in between you and a light source you don't see any dampening of light?
eternal talon
don't bother him with this nonsense
livid grotto
RyK is pretty new to the lore and is curious about how the shadows work
eternal talon
beanz is a professional , he isn't just some nerd in here
don't waste his time like that, he's a friend of mine
merry frost
Why won't you answer my question?
eternal talon
because this channel has been nothing but memes for days despite the very clear channel description?
merry frost
It's kind of toxic for you to be the arbiter of what questions can be answered or not
@ moderators
rocky wraith
don't bother him with this nonsense
mlem
eternal talon
i'm not doing this with you, so you can knock it off.
rocky wraith
<@250739346032951297> can you explain to me how shadows can obscure light enough...
simple
magic
livid grotto
oh shit it's CoolBeanz
merry frost
😮
heavy shale
spongebob is the warden