gtfo-lore

[lilac island]

and thats gtfo lore 👍

[dense kelp]

What about the crazy meteor/alien escape pod that brought about the end of 2 eras and give or take about 3 civilizations

[lilac island]

hmmm

[eternal talon]

it didn't kill all of the mayans

[dense kelp]

I guess it's just background lore

[eternal talon]

just those in the village of Ixil and the surrounding forests.

humanity was too small for it to go global then.

[dense kelp]

Well it basically ended their civilization though didn't it? would explain the large die off

[eternal talon]

a lot of it, yeah

[dense kelp]

or brought about their end

[eternal talon]

though that also implies you could all of modern earth as only one civilization

[lilac island]

i know not much about the lore since i started playing gtfo like a month ago
i just watched a couple lore videos and all i really know are the playable characters' backstories
and that they dont remember any of the shit that lead to them ending up in the legion

[eternal talon]

give the "for dummies" doc in the pins a read.

it's good stuff for pre-apocalypse lore

[dense kelp]

Well, I mean with how global things are I would certainly say so

[eternal talon]

and the "summary of expeditions" for post-apocalypse and gameplay.

the notion.so is our gold-mine of a database in the pins

[eternal talon]

NATO broke up way faster than you'd expect from nam-v

[dense kelp]

Well, Nam-V actually kills people

[eternal talon]

yes it does, and it is very good at it.

[dense kelp]

So I kind of would expect something like a zombie movie level pandemic

[eternal talon]

the surface is only dead.

there are no sleepers up there.

the parasite is required for those.

[dense kelp]

rather cheatcode like that it kills people, infects fast, and stays in the air + the water for a large period of timr

[dense kelp]

Well it probably kills animals too

[eternal talon]

you need sleepers to make more sleepers, where the virus can spread through any vector

[eternal talon]

nah.. the biggest cheatcode is it's symbiotic pairing with the parasite.

[dense kelp]

unless the aliens are so good st printing bioweapons that they don't target animals or non-intelligent life

[eternal talon]

it literally can't die. it can keep the parasite living for an unknown, possibly infinite length of time

thus keeping itself alive

that's why there were still sleepers in the inner when the humans cracked into it and found the corpse to do the autopsy, and not dust.

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=5a665d8b1b634e1490c04998f04e9cb5&pm=s
**We also have been denied any data from the autopsy of the creature found in Level 27, despite the potential for the life form to be carrying bacteria or viruses for which we have no remedy. Indeed, KDS are now actively denying any life form was found, despite several of our staff being present at the initial discovery. The truth, it seems, is now negotiable. **

[dense kelp]

I wonder who had the bright idea to not publicize the autopsy

[eternal talon]

that thing was down there for at MINIMUM, 65 million years with no food or drink.

[dense kelp]

Probably the biggest mistake there

[eternal talon]

hahahahaha

i'ma just post a log. 1 sec

[dense kelp]

True, nvm surviving in a vacuum traveling, unless they instant transmissioned the entire asteroid into the earth

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=cca20197c3ab4a7291e4100247b7aa78&pm=s
**During the incident detailed in report #G06-A3-181, no such measures were taken. Researchers from the Material Spectroscopy Laboratories entered the area without suitable protection, and no seals were placed to protect the area from further contamination from access tunnel AT06. The lack of care taken when collecting the samples either compromised the integrity of the collected items or risked contaminating the entire facility with any pathogens found at the site. Although the artifacts were bagged and sealed, at the point of their quarantine, the UV had already been compromised.

2 researchers from the team reported minor flu-like symptoms in the weeks following the incident. While these symptoms appear to be unrelated to the lack of care taken during the collection procedure, it must be assumed that the team contaminated the site to some degree. Standard DNA analysis of the artifacts has been compromised, and any biological material found on the artifacts or in the UV must be regarded with suspicion. Any biological data extracted from the area is therefore useless.

It is recommended that the research team be stripped of their Tier 4 clearance privilege, and that in the future all UV surveys require not only BioHaz clearance, but also approval from the SMC Operations board. The board should also consider forming a separate department or entity to handle all investigation of such anomalies. Having a dedicated team will not only ensure the correct protocols are followed but will also offer deeper insight into any such discoveries.**

these two knuckleheads doomed the human race.

not following quarantine procedures, the classic.

(these are patient 0 and patient 1 of infected humans) (outside of the mayans oc)

[dense kelp]

they also contaminated everything

[eternal talon]

that too.

[dense kelp]

would be funny if it was the only sleeper left, and it was just a corpse

[eternal talon]

(the autopsy was waaay after this)

[dense kelp]

Truly the highest IQ individuals

[eternal talon]

at first, it was only nam-v in the complex

they only encountered the parasite years down the line

as they kept on' diggin'

[dense kelp]

Lmao

[eternal talon]

SMC was STILL DIGGING during the EXPLOSION IN THE INNER, and while kovac was ACTIVELY FIGHTING SLEEPERS

https://tenor.com/view/keep-on-digging-minecraft-tractor-gif-13827537

[dense kelp]

Haha, that reads like a sitcom moment

[eternal talon]

it reminds me of that TF2 meme

[dense kelp]

Post it

[eternal talon]

"i've done nothing but teleport bread for 3 days"

but it's SMC digging

[eternal talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE1-dKc6R_I

[dense kelp]

Medic's reaction very much a normal person's response to the corporate greed present in the gtfo lore

[burnt wren]

Corporate greed is so lame a plot point

I'm so tired of it

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=5ce2aef21ff34ea7bff94704df063050&pm=s

[burnt wren]

How about its an actual virtuous corporation for once, but it just gets buttfucked by bad circumstances

[eternal talon]

"we will be adjusting security procedures to make sure we are not caught off guard in the future", (this log is AFTER the fucking explosion in the inner)

[clever niche]

cuz those don't exist

[eternal talon]

also, get a load of this

In response to multiple complaints about wearing masks, we are not mandating their use. If you elect not to wear a mask, please exercise common sense (cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze, keep a reasonable distance etc.) Your choice in this matter will be recorded in your personnel file.

[clever niche]

lol

[eternal talon]

this is after the virus AND parasite are in garganta btw

[dense kelp]

Those exist as plot points, but if you're gonna set it in a scarcity future it makes sense as a plot point

like for example Nerv in Eva

[eternal talon]

(this is what the surface is doing the month before)

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=acee6610935c44249ef195bde40e5489&pm=s

in october 2053

nam-v got to the surface in february.

9 months and SMC still is lax on health requirements.

[burnt wren]

At least they are less authoratorian on the issue than my actual government was

The one time they do something right, and it's what gets them killed...

Then again it was not going to work either way.

Namv is too aggressive

[solar patio]

Yeah I have doubts if that would have really stopped Nam v either way as well.

[eternal talon]

They didn't teleport it underground on earth.. because.. y'know.. dinosaurs

[dense kelp]

could have teleported it into orbit

[eternal talon]

yeah

still, a vacuum is lethal to most carbon based lifeforms in a.. very, short amount of time.

[south lake]

Something something your blood begins to literally boil within 15-20 seconds of hard vacuum exposure in space.

Or whatever the time frame was.

And then once you're dead, you become a meat popsicle, basically.

A very irradiated meat popsicle.

[solar patio]

imagine your blood turning into a gas while you're still alive. Crazy...

[eternal talon]

i had completely forgotten about the radiaition, even

that'd probably be the bigger issue

[south lake]

Pretty sure you'd be too distracted by your skin cracking and bubbling as you develop multiple embolisms and your flesh boils due to unfiltered contact with thermal radiation from the sun.

[autumn trout]

(this may be dumb as im still pretty new to the lore)
During C1 Schaeffer says "do you want to complete the mission" and "you need combat, its what you trained for" and Henriksson responds with "i want to complete the mission" and "i need combat, its what i trained for" (or something along the lines)
In Rundown 5 theres a log in A3 //EXT iirc, where a recruiter tells woods "You want to complete the mission?" and woods responds with "Yes. I want to complete the mission.", followed by "You need combat. It's what you trained for." where woods responds with a simple "Yes"

Does this have any form of connection? or is it just cheeky writing

[eternal talon]

It is standard code words

[burnt wren]

I brought attention to this fact before as well. Found it by accident. Could easily be both.
The thing is: Henrikson does not respond with "i need combat". Schaeffer says that instead, with a hearable shit-eating green.

[eternal talon]

Schaeffer is likely reading a manual

[autumn trout]

thats makes sense, in hindsight.

[burnt wren]

Either its some sort of coded words to probe KSOs, or Schaeffer is having a little brain seisure. Maybe he heard the same log, or something far worse is happening and his brain is fusing with something.

Because we do have evidence that KSOs have some sort of hive-mind inflicted upon them by HSU

No direct explanation as to how or why, though.

[eternal talon]

Not by hsu.

their neural implants connect them to the BIOCOM network that they are assigned "objective stacks" from

most likely, each squad of 4 has their own set of stacks that are changed, edited, and managed.

rather than having ALL ksos follow the same set of stacks, that'd be chaos

[eternal talon]

and i say this, because of how badly he fucked up with maddox.

when he was working with henriksson, he used everything as proper as he could to make sure he would be woken up okay.

as for the commands, schaeffer is talking with henriksson about breaking free from the wrdn's influence

he is relaying these commands to try and show henriksson how he is being controlled,

given he has no memories

then after that, they go to a machine and have his implant removed.

the conversation goes;
"so when do i get my memories back? uh.. you don't, it just gets better with time" or something along those lines.

when henriksson is awoke, as is the case with ALL KSOs, they are blank slates.

[eternal talon]

so idk what you mean by hive mind. objective stacks seen to be isolated to the individual or to the assigned team, given you don't have all KSOs trying to do the same thing at the same time

stuff like r6c3 would be impossible

given two teams are doing completely different stacks simultaneously

[burnt wren]

The log specifically points out that squad B used a tactic that only squad A used previously, even though they never talked directly

[eternal talon]

which one?

just the name'd do

i'm on the notion rn

[burnt wren]

The one where squad B used Cfoam to reinforce a door

[eternal talon]

search function isn't that precise.. i'll just search by field. gimme a minute.

[burnt wren]

There's a possibility Warden gave them hints, but he never gave us any

[eternal talon]

well to be fair we don't need it, chad theory

i'll brb. gonna go try and find that log

[burnt wren]

All i remember is that its from R7, i think

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=e93265cbe33f450a85cb5f83fca2d62f&pm=s ah, this one?

[burnt wren]

Yes, that one

[eternal talon]

ah, first one makes sense which in turn means that despite a period of hydrostasis (I'm still trying to find out how long they were in stasis between missions) the operative remembered knowledge of the foam and improvised a new use for it.

[burnt wren]

The operative should have had no knowledge of this material, or of the tool that dispenses the foam, and yet they improvised. The only way the operative could have known about the foam is from observation during a previous mission, which in turn means that despite a period of hydrostasis (I'm still trying to find out how long they were in stasis between missions) the operative remembered knowledge of the foam and improvised a new use for it.

[eternal talon]

second one, explains it itself. It doesn't stop there. On a later mission, a Sigma gen from a different quad exhibited the same behavior. He secured a bulkhead door using a PolyFoam gun he found in a storeroom of mining equipment. This not only indicates a peri-stasis behavior continuance, it implies an unknown method of trans-operative communication. The only way for that behavior to have passed between KSOs is through BIOCOM, and BIOCOM only passes on new behavior after it has been approved by us.

so, it's...

2054..

it's post WRDN takeover

so it could be warden using the neural implants to send data

[burnt wren]

Warden is becoming more and more of an inside job, doesn't he

[eternal talon]

to be fair, we don't really know how converted people are trained as KSOs after being.. kidnapped,

so it could be a plausible thing.

[burnt wren]

Soon we'll find out he's responsible for sleepers absolutely massacring the complex

[eternal talon]

that its just standard to teach KSOs that way with their jacks, and the wrdn is simply sending more data through post-indoctrination.

[burnt wren]

But again, we never expericned this as players

[eternal talon]

but yeah, that seems to be the most plausible thing, rather than a hive-mind between KSOs, because that'd imply free thought, which we know they don't have

so they'dn't be able to share info.

[burnt wren]

Warden never gave us any suggestions of any kinds

Unless... Does cfoam's description says anything?

[eternal talon]

actually, doesn't it in the tutorial in r7?

i could be remembering wrong

[burnt wren]

By hive-mind i mean more of... Like KSOs having dejavu's of each other's memories or experience. Like an itch that scratches your mind about how you can use this cfoam tool to reinforce your position.

Not direct, but very suggestive

[eternal talon]

in the log? not really. just SMC construction foam.

it's not Kovac hardware.

[burnt wren]

In the game itself, when you pick it

[eternal talon]

i don't think so but i can check. gimme a minute

[eternal talon]

ah, yeah i get what you mean, but nah, it's most likely just WRDN sending data and "thoughts"? i guess, on how stuff works and what it does

though a subconscious thing would work here the most.

rather than a direct thought

just inherently knowing to do that, but not knowing why

like.. instinct..

yeah that's making 110% more sense

[eternal talon]

C-FOAM LAUNCHER
STALWART FLOW G2

"ENEMY SLOWDOWN
DOOR REINFORCEMENT
CHARGE UP FIRE"

[burnt wren]

There we go

[eternal talon]

it's like instinct being programmed into the KSOs using whatever connection is left from their programming post-memory loss with their neural jack

i wonder what happened to daraxus and punkthulu, they haven't been in chat in a long time. kinda miss em'

https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=63289e6bfe49411fa071e77d5aac0db9&pm=s
it's really hard to find logs about the neural jacks on the database. perhaps make some more tags for stuff relating to nyxos and the more specific parts of the lore? @solar nova just a thought.

[solar nova]

How many logs involve neural jacks?

Probably not worth adding a tag for it if it's a one-off.

[eternal talon]

i think just 1 or 2, but that's just what i was looking for at the moment

stuff like the "kovac security operatives" tag, why does that have the a gallus hammerstein log? and how come stuff like "psychological encoding" isn't included in it?

not a big deal, just a slight pain when sifting through the logs, there are a lot of them

[eternal talon]

your "iridium" tag also only has one log

[solar nova]

Probably just a missing tag. I need to review all of the tags in general to get a clearer definition of which tags are for what.

"Iridium" is an old tag that Chase added.

[eternal talon]

ah

[solar nova]

Wasn't aware it existed.

[eternal talon]

for the most part i've been using this page https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963 a lot since it is by far the most efficient for me when getting quick research

i can make my way around it decently enough, but i see how it could get to be a problem as rundowns drop more and more

[solar nova]

Yeah, I don't have clear demarcation on which tags are for what rn.

[eternal talon]

demarcation?

[solar nova]

I just kind of see what is brought up in each log and add them on the spot.

[eternal talon]

i thought chase handed it off, do you not have full perms?

[solar nova]

Delineating between what does or doesn't fall under a specific tag.

I have full perms, I just haven't sifted through those things.

[eternal talon]

ah

honestly it could probably be cleaned up a lot with just a day's worth of sifting.

stuff like having both a "KSO" and a "prisoners" tag, for example

removing all tags and placing them one at a time down the list, i could give a hand looking through

[solar nova]

I just need to make a doc of every tag and its intended use, and then I need to go through every single log and adjust tags.

[eternal talon]

Team Insight:
Insight Research/Expeditions:
Dreyfus Industries:
Hammerstein:
Planet/World Destination:
Rise Project:

Kovac:
KSOs (Legion) & Research:
BIOCOM Network:
Hearsay:

SMC:
Garganta:
Nam-V:
Parasite:
Nyxos:

News/Surface:
State of Truth:
Fossil/Inner:
Explosion:

.
would be a good start for the sorting

then just make a list of all logs then drag/drop them into each of the 4 fields, then the subcategory

i'll sort it out then i'll DM you.

i've got nothing i'm doing today.

[eternal talon]

what the hell even is Nyxos?

what is their company's goal?

SMC is a mining company, Kovac is a PMC, what is nyxos?

i'm making edits to prepare for a "for dummies" doc v4

[finite vine]

I think they are just a contractor that SMC hires. They deal with random stuff like concrete and other things like that.

[vagrant fiber]

Schaeffer isn't a soldier just a pit boss how much of a threat does he pose he doesn't ever have a gun can't Warden just crush him with a blast door if he wanted to.

WRDN is letting him run awol as a experiment or just isn't as all seeing as we once thought.

Hell Schaeffer can't shutdown Warden can he?

Granted he murdered a rise subject but wasn't a challenge.

[dense kelp]

even a monkey with a wrench can shut down a mining operation

Warden probably considers him a hazard to its plans, limited resources (technically)

[vagrant fiber]

Woods, Hackett those guys are terrifying

[south lake]

Inb4 they mean "charge up fire" as in C-Foam is flammable before it's properly set

[dense kelp]

After all, if the world is kill and planet is shit, who's going to be producing all the ammo, weaponry, tools, manpower, etc. to deal with warden's tasks

[south lake]

Hear me out, now.

C-Foam Napalm Thrower.

[vagrant fiber]

Seems badass

[dense kelp]

Nvm if Mr. Galactic Brain over there decides to wake up actually useful KSO's and convert them, that's just less manpower

[south lake]

Light it on fire, they get splattered, then it sets into a cement-like substance and just burns

[dense kelp]

so he's definitely a threat

it does sound badass

[south lake]

I like to think "actually useful KSOs" would be smart enough to kick Schaeffer's shit in the first chance they get

[dense kelp]

Ofcourse, we haven't ever directly dealt with Schaeffer's interference yet other than Unit 22

[vagrant fiber]

One in the head two in the chest.

[dense kelp]

Henriksson seems pretty useful

That type of guy

[vagrant fiber]

Engineer given this could he in theory pull the plug on Warden

[south lake]

Henriksson isn't a Kovac Security Operative though, is he? I thought he was just some nerd Schaeffer pulled out of Hydrostasis

[dense kelp]

He had the brain washing thing going on in his logs

Definitely Legion

[vagrant fiber]

Yeah pulled the implant out of his neck

[south lake]

Wonder if Schaeffer had to fight him to do that.

[dense kelp]

Maybe if we knew where Warden and BIOCOM are actually held

[south lake]

We know exactly where the BIOCOM Core is. We go there.

[dense kelp]

I'm sure someone more enlightened than me could tell you

Yeah but where is the big man

also is that it's core?

[south lake]

Pretty sure it flat out states it's the core

And, the "big man" is the core.

[vagrant fiber]

Technically we need Warden to survive

[south lake]

BIOCOM is a Pseudo-AI.

As is WRDN

[dense kelp]

I meant the warden protocol itself

[south lake]

WRDN is probably also in the BIOCOM Core

[dense kelp]

I would imagined it would be housed closer to the surface

[vagrant fiber]

Given it took it over attempted to

[south lake]

WRDN isn't something that was developed/built into Garganta.

[vagrant fiber]

Now they are fighting back and forth for control

[south lake]

WRDN is effectively a Trojan Horse become semi-sapient, or so the implication goes.

Er, not Trojan Horse, but a form of Malware

A Root Kit, basically

Considering it took over BIOCOM completely

[dense kelp]

I always just figured it was another type of AI

At least that's what I read somewhere in a log, but my memory is kind of hazy

[south lake]

BIOCOM and WRDN aren't AI in the traditional sense

They're not self-aware

(Or not fully self-aware yet, in the case of WRDN)

[dense kelp]

Yeah DI (i think)

[south lake]

Whatever its end point is, WRDN's definitely going the "alien intelligence" route for nascent AI, that's for sure

It talks to us VIA issuing orders, it reacts like us, is fallible like us (Schaeffer giving it the slip), but its thought processes are totally alien to us

[dense kelp]

I guess not knowing its goals doesn't help here

[south lake]

Not alien as in ETs, more "We can't fathom what it's thinking"

[dense kelp]

versus the very clear human goal of "don't get murdered/die/infected"

Maybe Warden is into eugenics and is making the super babies to replace humanity

[south lake]

If BIOCOM was becoming self-aware, WRDN got to it before it could progress past a nascent state

Which may have jumpstarted WRDN's progression into self-awareness

Since the two are almost inextricably linked

And, one of the running theories is that WRDN is trying to create the ideal shell for it to offload its consciousness to

And effectively escape its metal hell

[dense kelp]

Alien mecha god Warden when

Rundown 8 waiting room where we become Eva

[south lake]

Because I imagine to a growing, (possibly) self-aware AI, being stuck in permanent combat with a very pissed off "Dumb" AI

Is a very shitty situation to be in

[dense kelp]

Now that I think about it, do we know BIOCOM's objective

[south lake]

BIOCOM's objectives are whatever the hell Kovac wants.

But since Kovac doesn't.. exactly exist anymore..

[dense kelp]

well yeah but before Warden started doing stuff to it

[south lake]

That's what I meant. Kovac are the "owners" of BIOCOM.

It would apply its intelligence and decision making skills to whatever Kovac had going on at the moment.

Without Kovac Defense Services in the picture, BIOCOM would probably fall back to some basic adaptation/self-preservation protocols

Or it could trigger a "Scorched Earth" protocol if it deems it's in danger of being taken control of by hostile forces.

Which would be uh.. very, very bad for us

Since Garganta uses more than a couple reactors of unknown make and power source

Could result in an extreme detonation event that causes the whole facility to collapse.

Any case

BIOCOM's been shoved into a corner for the foreseeable future

It can't act, or even interact with anything

Not while WRDN's got it pinned, so to speak.

[vagrant fiber]

Well could we in theory cause a meltdown and destroy whatever is inside that space rock.

[shadow igloo]

If it survived crashing to earth and burying itself 2km under ground. I doubt anything we do short of putting a nuke inside it will work

[hybrid depot]

I got a question

So is it confirmed that the warden is an ai?

[turbid relic]

You can just @ the warden. Hes right here in discord

The Warden#4195

[real pewter]

i forgot that, schaeffer squeeze U22 right hand like paper

[burnt wren]

Pretty much, yeah. We Trojan'd the guy in events of D2.

Who is himself a trojan that enslaved BIOCOM, the original AI who controlled the operations.

So we Trojan'd a Trojan who's currently suppressing BIOCOM who's still trying to gain back control for like 10 years now.

Only good things can come from this, I'm sure.

[dense kelp]

Can't wait to see the stand in front of door for 5 minutes objective next rundown

or even better "hide in closet"

[burnt wren]

Depending on how cool the door is - why not.

[eternal talon]

woah woah woah woah woah

breaking news

@burnt wren https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=421bd92520ba4f4c9654113ae499fd18&pm=s maybe the parasite got out sooner than we thought

a meer week after nam-v got out.

long before the autopsy.

[burnt wren]

Big oof again.

Jesus christ, they really are like fascists.

Don't use these words, fire anyone who objects... Fucking hell.

Lame, Mr Lockwood.

I hope you got a large sleeper tongue up your ass.

[dense kelp]

"Don't call them stoopers" really did it for me

[eternal talon]

it's such a dumb term

XD

"oh how's fred? oh, y'know, just stoopin'"

[polar pulsar]

They stooped so low...

#imwithstoopid

[eternal talon]

@shut mountain Would you kindly please replace the 📌 of the previous "FOR DUMMIES" document with this one? This file has been REVISED and rewritten to be more friendly to read, as well as fixing many spelling and writing errors made with the last revision.
- A reminder to those reading this document to get familiar with the lore, this file is too large to click expand, as such you must either download it, or click "View Whole File"

[shut mountain]

Here u go

[digital shadow]

So there haven't been any hints pertaining to the wardens origin right?

[burnt wren]

Nope.

[digital shadow]

So if I understand things correctly, the legion program was essentially to be scrapped and whatever the name of the program the neonates are from were to be a replacement after the kinks are worked out. I saw a file in R7B1 talking about how they found something that can accelerate the growth of grass. Would it be a safe assumption to believe that whatever that compound was is being used in the neonates?

[burnt wren]

Most likely, yes.

[eternal talon]

Legion was a program run by Kovac.
Rise was a project made by Insight. Two separate companies.

Legion was never planned to be scrapped. The neonates are a part of RISE, and it was designed to supplement Legion or be an alternative to it. Kovac wouldn't shut down Legion just because another company is doing the same stuff.

The grass log you are talking about is from an auto-gen. They aren't cannon. They are randomly generated from a list of keywords on every terminal.

[digital shadow]

Ahh really?

You sure about that? It was a log about an email chain between two people

[harsh saffron]

Dreamy is correct, there is a log with emails between Durant and Susan Nesbitt that mentions improved growth
https://www.notion.so/Get-home-safely-9d85aa755118437095142743fad2b529

[eternal talon]

That email is like a crack dream

It says a lot but also says nothing, weird.

But I am certain on everything else I said

I just didn't think they mentioned grass anywhere else than in auto-gen keywords. Weird. I read that log yesterday while preparing the lfdv4

Wonder what the fuck Susan in on about.

Also how is that fair? You said a file, not a log there are like 15x more autogen files than logs in any level

[eternal talon]

Improved growth in what context?

And it would depend on when the RISE project was started, because ef01 is at the VERY end of the timeline.

[harsh saffron]

Grass ^^

[digital shadow]

So I guess I've got one more question but I suppose it's really just speculation

So we know employees deeper in gargantua were suffering severe psychological issues and it's safe to say a good chunk of them became infected over time and there is probably a connection between the two. Can schaufer be trusted? The thing said he's infected and yeah, sure, hydrostasis has messed with his mind but he is really unhinged in the way that he speaks. He reminds me of some of the schizophrenics I've spoken to at work. How much is hydrostasis and how much is possible psychosis at the hand of the infection within proximity of whatever is at the bottom? What if his attempts to subvert the warden are just part of some alien endgame? I feel like I'm rambling so I'll stop here

[digital shadow]

The game lists it all as logs so I just called it a log. 🤷🏼

[eternal talon]

true but i thought you meant like the stuff on computers you find as you walk around, not when you are using a terminal, like these

[digital shadow]

I uhhh never noticed that til literally right now

I'm too busy trying not to be bad

[eternal talon]

there are dozens of them in each level. they are called autogens, i think all terminals also have them, though those are actually listed as such

[digital shadow]

Oh yeah I've seen them

Is there a point to them?

[eternal talon]

nope.

[digital shadow]

🙃

[eternal talon]

you can be in hydrostasis for as long as you, or the ones forcing you want. the astronauts in hydrostasis in the Red Alpha mission were under for 6 years.
the suicide rate in the complex rose significantly after nam-v got out, something like 34.7% reported psychological disturbances.
Can Schaeffer be trusted? I don't know. that depends on how you feel about what his motives might be. right now i am about 60/40 with him not stabbing us in the back.

some alien endgame? that's not as far fetched as you might think. we don't know how he got out of KDS deep and into warden hands, and it is quite the paradox in the timeline.

though we have no evidence to point any of them surviving at the current day.

[digital shadow]

Yeah yeah. One thing that's bugged me is that in the for dummies I saw a thing about a thing that seemed to vanish. Was anything related to that ever brought up again? I'll post a grab of the text in a sec

[eternal talon]

ah, the edgar/teal creature log.

you don't need to, i can copy paste the full log from the notion

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=be964f47904647b191d3ad6149a9228b&pm=s

we've never encountered anything like the creature described, closest being the floaters that can also teleport, but they sure as hell don't look humanoid.

and nothing like it is described anywhere else, though Insight never gave us descriptions of the aliens they found, only that they found them.

[digital shadow]

The lore is cool for this game but frustrates me more than any other game ever has

[eternal talon]

oh don't even get me started, the stuff around world lines and destination is a nightmare

[digital shadow]

I need to go back and read earlier posts because I recall people talking about world lines and differences in time between the two (maybe more?) Dimensions

[eternal talon]

possibly infinite, yeah

[digital shadow]

Have we confirmed that the other place is an alternate earth and not another planet?

[eternal talon]

though we only go through our own and destinations'

[eternal talon]

the opposite.

[digital shadow]

[eternal talon]

it is a planet in the Butterfly Nebula, 3k light years away.

we have exact coordinates, yeah

[digital shadow]

[eternal talon]

ALLENS MAN

[digital shadow]

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/alien-guy-yes-ir-is-is-that-evenpossible-gif-13829766

https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=ec970edd9bf540bb8b3067bcd84ccc45&pm=s
https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=6bf8c73545114da2a4f77d33e5af99a5&pm=s
two offenders talking about the differences in world lines

the coordinates we decoded https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=b2ac368b9f9440fcb5aa0de96c14f14f&pm=s

Expeditions to the Allen's home world with the Matter Wave Projector, Destination, begin in June of 2055 with the EF01 expedition. Dr. Rebecca stokes, the researcher in charge of EF01, notices many oddities with the expedition, and Destination in general.
Destination runs 85:1 seconds faster than earth. Bishop, who was a part of EF01 was gone from earth for about a week and a half, but perceived time as though he was on Destination for 2 years. Between EF01 and Rundown7, it has been 9 years earth-time, but 765 years Destination-time.
Time works fundamentally differently in Destination's world line. Essentially, the Matter Wave Projector does 2 things. It teleports you to a location that exists in both plains of existence (Destination in our universe, in the Butterfly Nebula), and to their world line.
It does this by changing the frequency that our matter vibrates at. Think how a Valkyrie can shatter glass at an opera by singing at the right frequency. To return to earth, a version of it must also exist in Destination's universe.
(The stuff above is stupidly complicated, don't be afraid to post a comment in #gtfo-lore asking about it because Jesus Christ, this shit is convoluted. -Frostty)

[digital shadow]

I'm gonna go insane

[eternal talon]

yep

[digital shadow]

This stuff is gonna be sitting in the back of my head later when I go to work

[eternal talon]

GTFO's lore is long and very, very complicated

[digital shadow]

The latter half of that second log is rather frightening.

[eternal talon]

why can't i dm you?

weird.

[digital shadow]

Oh, privacy settings

I got tired of bots trying to pull stupid bs

You know, steam nonsense to steal your account ect

[eternal talon]

aye

[digital shadow]

I'll send you an fr then you can dm me

Is anything from rundown 7 covered in the for dummies yet? I know it doesn't have run down summeries but rewatching a play through of b1 and what happened to madox didn't mean a thing to me when I first played since I only just started but now, that's spooky af

[eternal talon]

yep, it has been fully updated.

me and my team went through the first week

[stuck aspen]

i think maddox mental just went kaput so

[eternal talon]

same thing we did for 6.5

[eternal talon]

he wasn't awoken correctly so his brain started to deteriorate

we went nuts and tried to kill schaeffer.

[digital shadow]

Ya ya

But then he got snatched

[stuck aspen]

can anyone even wake up the ksos correctly like the warden does

[eternal talon]

yes

[stuck aspen]

does the warden even correctly wake up the ksos

[digital shadow]

I mean, schaufer did

[eternal talon]

schaeffer did with henriksson

[digital shadow]

Ya ^

[eternal talon]

yes, because they die if you dont

[digital shadow]

Klauss

[eternal talon]

their brain melts in their skulls

[stuck aspen]

so schaf learned from his mistakes with maddox

and didnt repeat the same with henrik

[eternal talon]

yes

that's why he had us go get a collection case in b1

it had the chemicals he needed

[stuck aspen]

was it ever mentioned/revealed what does schaf look like/wear

[eternal talon]

nope

[stuck aspen]

so i assume his gear is probably the same as the playable prisoners

if not, similar

[eternal talon]

not neccessarily

he wasn't made as a kso.

he was a lv3 pit boss working for santonian

[stuck aspen]

so like

hacker-y type of thing

[eternal talon]

no

[stuck aspen]

ok let me rephrase

so like the brains over brawns

[eternal talon]

like middle management-y type of thing

[stuck aspen]

fair

[south lake]

More accurately: The "yell at workers to get shit done, beatings will continue until morale improves, certified weasely bastard in service to the higher ups" kinda guy. At least until he went a bit batshit.

[green burrow]

Nobody calls himself a fucking hacker

[stuck aspen]

is that henrik ref

[green burrow]

Can we take a moment to appreciate the top notch voice-acting in this game?

[sonic citrus]

I like the "Schaeffer, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing here!" as a programmer engineer I can relate

[burnt wren]

That's a little bit cynical. He's basically captain of the operation - relaying information where to drill and how.
And from the logs, especially early ones, he sounded pretty reasonable and actually competent.

He even reffers to "building those walls" so he clearly did something himself sometimes and takes pride in his work.

[south lake]

I mean, is it really with how Santonian and Kovac both reacted to the goings on? I never said he would have willingly been like that. Cronies as a trope are frequently in the position of "do it, or we'll do it to you as well as them".

And fear and self-preservation are one hell of a pair of motivators.

[green burrow]

Judging from his early emails, a pit boss is probably something like a foreman or chief. I work for a large multinational myself and these people are usually on the laborer's side and do indeed often get their hands dirty when things get messy.

[vagrant fiber]

Construction contractor right for Gargantua Schaeffer Complex would technically be a research facility and fallout bunker and mining operation

[finite vine]

yea, he was not a kso. but the warden still used him in the normal 4 man expedition squads. so I would say he could have similar clothing.

schaeffer is like dauda. neither of them were kso’s, they both took refuge in an HSU, and somehow the warden got a hold of them and used them.

[final sentinel]

Quick question, do we know exactly what was going on with D4?

Like were they dimensions or timelines?

[eternal talon]

My best guess given new information, destination's version of earth

Or it in other world lines, with the "corrupted" or malfunctioning data cubes.

[final sentinel]

Ooooohh!

man I love this game

With how the flyers come out of portals, any thoughts about chargers and shadows coming from different dimensions as well? In E1, Alpha 2 was full of chargers, maybe they came through a different jump gate?

[eternal talon]

We don't know, though I'd hazard a guess that floaters are restricted to local teleportation, since we never see any before r6b1 when they get into garganta through one of Insight's warp gates

As for the human infected on destination, we've seen normal variants there before, but we don't know enough to be certain where specifically they came from. Being from infected expedition teams, or from warp gates directly from earth

[final sentinel]

Yeah, mentioned it because the chargers horns look awfully similar to the black crystals in Alpha

And the crystals are also kinda translucent, so idk if they’ve got something to do with shadows

Idk, kinda spitballing rn

[eternal talon]

Those specifically aren't. They are some kind of natural armor plating, like chitin. You'd have to ask @rocky wraith as he knows more than me about this kind of stuff relating to biology

As I'm not a biology major or anything like he is, I'm just a nerd with too much time on my hands.

[rocky wraith]

mlam

[rocky wraith]

Yeah we did comparisons like that before and it turns out they look to be different material unfortunately

[eternal talon]

i thought i made a typo in the revision but holy fuck.. https://www.notion.so/Timeline-0e93a62e8cfd44b3a36beb4ab245a2d0?p=93af7421498545bda4a6fe13fb645687&pm=s 1.5-2k MILES wide

that's insane

(that's 3218.6 Kilometers)

that has to be a typo on the devs' side, right?

thats this wide!

holy shit it's true..

**##########################################

Private encryption//SMC mail server
From: Andrew Clinton B035
To: Janson Davies A001
Date: September 03rd 2049
Subject: Found it

Mr. Davies,

I wanted to confirm that we have indeed found what we’re looking for. There’s a sediment
layer running from dig site 10F (near Chicxulub) out to a few kilometers off the coast (w
e’re calling it La Vena internally). The vein looks rich, and the scans confirm there’s a
huge deposit at the end. Our engineers ran the numbers on it and if the scan data is cor
rect, we’re looking at a mass that’s 1.5 – 2k miles wide, and up to 4k down. Our scans ca
n’t penetrate all the way through the mass – it’s too dense. We’ll have to dig to get acc
urate data.

If the density is consistent, we could be looking at upwards of 4,000 tons. A conservativ
e estimate puts that at 300 billion at today’s Iridium price.

We have a plan to reach it, though the structure will probably send the Greens into a fre
nzy, so we may need some PR help with that?

Anyway, I’ll send you the blueprints of Garganta later this week – we’re just putting the
final touches on it.

Back to it,

Andrew.

##########################################** is the full log

it doesn't say, but you could probably calculate it

yeah

that's what i mean

@dull crest your numbers are jank, can you relay this to the team? no way something almost the entire width of the continental united states only weighs 4000 tons

[finite vine]

yea those dimension have to be wrong

I think they mean 1.5 -2 miles

not 1500 to 2000 miles

[eternal talon]

i can't change it, it's on their website https://santonianindustries.com/

[finite vine]

the earths mantle ends at 1800 miles deep

[eternal talon]

just gonna have to wait for a response with an accurate number

i know

why i thought it was a typo when rereading my revision

[finite vine]

I think they actually mean meters instead of miles. In the deep scan log, they said 1.5 - 2k meters I believe.

[eternal talon]

i get what your saying, but i gotta wait for calle's response, y'know

just in the off-chance

i mean we have world lines in lore now, so it honestly nothing is off the table in their writing room at this point

[finite vine]

well just do the density calculations with that mass and volume. I bet you will find that the density will be really low.

[eternal talon]

i'm not arguing that it's not bullshit, it clearly is

im just saying i don't want to edit and repost my revision in the same day again unless i get confirmation

[finite vine]

yea, ik.

[burnt wren]

Anyone heears like bubling sounds in the main menu now?

[dim scroll]

It always was here

As you're supposed to be in HSU

[burnt wren]

I swear they werent there before, but that does make sense

[finite vine]

Just out of curiosity I calculated to volume of the egg to be 852,000,000 m^3 using the normal dimensions of 1300 meters wide and 2400 meters tall. Using a mass of 4000 tons, the density comes out as 0.004 kg/m^3, which is 306 times less dense than air.

So either the mass is incorrect, or I calculated the volume wrong. There are not really any volume equations for an egg so I just calculated it myself using some calculus.

[eternal talon]

306 times less dense than air
Hahahahhaha

For a "hyperdense metal", that sure is light

[finite vine]

yea, lighter than anything in the universe lol

helium is one of the lightest things in the universe and it is only 7 times less dense than air

[digital shadow]

Allens

[dense kelp]

I wonder if we'll ever find allen logs

[eternal talon]

probably not, the only thing we have ever actually seen in-game of theirs is this. everything else is logs made by humans talking about them.

but one can hope.

[eternal talon]

and maybe whatever the hell this shit is on the cables

[finite vine]

I always assumed that this ring was created by the initial warp, not by the aliens.

[eternal talon]

glowy green stuff like a lava lamp on the outside of the cables, only on this teleporter

[finite vine]

yea these are interesting

[eternal talon]

our "spawn" point is in front of it. you have to turn around to see it and it is embedded in the cliff behind you.

[finite vine]

ah ok

yea I remember now

[eternal talon]

that, and there is no sign of anything like it in r6d1, or r7c2 when we also use warp gates

though that^ is probably bigger proof than where we spawn.

[finite vine]

yep

[dense kelp]

well yeah but we haven't been as deep inside

Unironically would like a log to just be mundane stuff in a completely illegible style

[eternal talon]

that is very true. i yearn for the day that we get a chance to explore the Inner

[dense kelp]

Deepest we've been is 1.6k right?

Inner was like 400 feet below that or something if I remember

[eternal talon]

something like that, yeah

[dense kelp]

meters*

[eternal talon]

i was talking to some people in a run of b1 earlier today about GTFO lore and the LFD document, they asked me to read it, and given how insane the lore is in this game, i doubt anybody reading it or learning it for the first time thinks of anything except this.

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

[dense kelp]

I remember in the early days it was a schizo mystery hunt until we got more concrete grounded lore starting with schaeffer

It still feels rather schizo though LMFAO

[eternal talon]

that was in like rundown 4, the game started in rundown 1 and 2 having like only a single log, then as it went on, every rundown, it doubled, and it doubled again, and it doubled again, and now we have this mess.

ancient hyper-advanced aliens, world-destroying bio-weapons, and very dumb human scientists.

the three cornerstones of any Sci-Fi channel original

[dense kelp]

I can only hope the calisto protoccol is going to be as crazy as this

given how crazy dead space was minute 1, it'll be pretty crazy too

[eternal talon]

what's that? never heard of it.

[dense kelp]

Calisto is a dead space spiritual sequel

same devs

no EA

[eternal talon]

ah, like war for the overworld is for the old 90s dungeonkeeper games.

also EA

[dense kelp]

Yeah

anyway, it looks a lot like dead space

idk if you know about dead space lore

but it is quite crazy

with the flesh moons devouring planets and stuff

and the main character being moderately schizophrenic

[eternal talon]

i played a bit of 2 and all of 3.

[dense kelp]

hmm, you jumped into the batshit immediately huh

3 is more palatable cause you can play with a buddy, but it's still rather crazy

[eternal talon]

it is how it is. i just am naturally drawn to crazy.

[dense kelp]

||there's a very interesting theory that the 2nd player is actually a delusion isaac has to cope with being basically the only one qualified to this stuff||

[finite vine]

We haven’t been below 1.5km yet I believe. The complex’s target depth was 1.5km, so that is the deepest part of Garganta. But SMC dug deeper to reach the Egg, which is that 2.2km tall 1.2km wide deposit. Also the Inner is deep inside the Egg iirc. If I have to guess, the Egg begins at like 1.6-2km deep.

[dense kelp]

So I guess we'd see more bootleg tunnels and less official machinery

[finite vine]

yea

[eternal talon]

SMC is a mining company after all

i'd like to see a bore-drill

i think of something like a massive tracked drill that they drive through tunnels

given the drill bit was big enough for Jordy to walk into

[dense kelp]

You know, it would be really cool if one of the rundown objectives before the inner would be to operate one of those

[finite vine]

You can see some drill bits within the dig site environment.

[eternal talon]

got a pic?

or a level i can go run to get one?

[finite vine]

unfortunately no

[finite vine]

literally any dig site level has them. just look at the walls.

[eternal talon]

which levels have dig-site tile in r7

i don't remember

i know c3 does in secondary but that's.. a bit of a pain

[eternal talon]

holy fuck

[finite vine]

It’s in the ceiling

[eternal talon]

that bitch is like 11ft across

that's huge

[finite vine]

yea they are big af

[eternal talon]

wonder how they operate vertically if they are driven

if their cockpit is just sitting like a dynamo and can rotate

[finite vine]

yea good point. they might just be lowered on a cable or something

[eternal talon]

that'd be a whole hell of a lot of stress, much more than elevator cables.

[dense kelp]

that's why you add many cables 😉

[finite vine]

I really want to see and environment like this

[eternal talon]

still, wouldn't think something like that'd pass OSHA regulations

kinda precarious

[eternal talon]

what in god's name?

[finite vine]

There are not enough small confined environments.

[eternal talon]

ah, thats what you meant

[dense kelp]

Looks like a warhammer art piece

[eternal talon]

though it was a leaked promo art from way back when

[dense kelp]

Long tunnel would be rather kino

[finite vine]

no, I think it’s fan art

[dense kelp]

Personally I would like something like a set of stairs downwards

rather lengthy stairs

[eternal talon]

i mean i'll post it again but, i think nothing can top john carpenter's the thing in terms of alien architecture designs.

[dense kelp]

• an alarm

[eternal talon]

we got exactly that already in r6.5

[dense kelp]

No no

I mean

[eternal talon]

the STAIRCASE OF DEATH

[dense kelp]

Hmm I guess so

Meant more like the ff7 stairs, something you would see in an office building

[eternal talon]

like surface level offices and crampt spaces would be really cool

especially stuff like automated defense turrets and tripmines left over from the Kovac days that we either have to bypass/destroy as obstacles during levels

[dense kelp]

That's a really cool idea

Could add some enemy variety if turrets or androids stay operational

[eternal talon]

old lobby screen was great. i dunno why they changed it.

[keen mantle]

I guess changed to add in boosters

Or to make space?

[eternal talon]

.... i ran c3 secondary.
(1) Bore-Drill head, embedded in wall.
(2)Bore-Drill bit, one of the cutting blades. i can only imagine the bloody mess that became of Jordy, Jesus.

[dull crest]

What are we talking about here?

[finite vine]

**##########################################

Private encryption//SMC mail server
From: Andrew Clinton B035
To: Janson Davies A001
Date: September 03rd 2049
Subject: Found it

Mr. Davies,

I wanted to confirm that we have indeed found what we’re looking for. There’s a sediment
layer running from dig site 10F (near Chicxulub) out to a few kilometers off the coast (w
e’re calling it La Vena internally). The vein looks rich, and the scans confirm there’s a
huge deposit at the end. Our engineers ran the numbers on it and if the scan data is cor
rect, we’re looking at a mass that’s 1.5 – 2k miles wide, and up to 4k down. Our scans ca
n’t penetrate all the way through the mass – it’s too dense. We’ll have to dig to get acc
urate data.

If the density is consistent, we could be looking at upwards of 4,000 tons. A conservativ
e estimate puts that at 300 billion at today’s Iridium price.

We have a plan to reach it, though the structure will probably send the Greens into a fre
nzy, so we may need some PR help with that?

Anyway, I’ll send you the blueprints of Garganta later this week – we’re just putting the
final touches on it.

Back to it,

Andrew.

##########################################** is the full log

^This log here. It says the mass extends 1.5 - 2k miles wide, and up to 4k miles down. Meaning 1500 to 2000 miles wide. That’s huge.

2000 meters would make more sense than 2000 miles in this circumstance.

It might of been a typo.

[harsh saffron]

Just wanted to show off my favourite drill picture

[dull crest]

That's the usual answer I get from the lore people "those are email. People do typos"

[burnt wren]

That is one hell of a typo though. Really? It didn't crossed the character's mind that 2000 miles is a little bit too much?

At which point the game owes us a 2nd log, where he fixes the type.

[shut mountain]

Just say the character is from europe and could not be bothered to translate the values properly

ez fix

[eternal talon]

Still, I can't change it without knowing a value to change it to. If the characters made a typo in a log, that doesn't mean we should just get bad info

So I ask, @dull crest , is there a correct value that the character was trying to say?

When dealing with numbers, especially something this important, making a guess is the worst possible thing you can do because it can throw countless other things off.

[eternal talon]

not even a second log, just a number to go "oh, okay, this is what it meant", it doesn't need a whole re-write, just clarification

[burnt wren]

Exactly.

Kinda lame of the game to feed us wrong info

[eternal talon]

well no, that's different

[burnt wren]

And then pretend that "people make mistakes, duh"

My favorite plot hole defense

[eternal talon]

we have logs of Kovac and SMC management lying to their coworkers

the difference is, we know that those are lying

[burnt wren]

"people just suck, don't you know"

[eternal talon]

we have information to prove it

we don't have information here to point to otherwise, there are no other numbers to the size of the vein

its just that one log

it would be nice, if we had an official contact channel here for quick-questions to the lore team for those of us who write documents and do in-depth research to help to teach others

[dim scroll]

@dull crest do you think that would be possible ?

[eternal talon]

not even to ask for answers, just clarification. "oh hey, is this a typo?" "this log says this but this says that, are one of these two lying?" "is x canon to the storyline, or purely in gameplay?"

[dull crest]

Dunno, can check!

[dull crest]

@burnt wren @eternal talon @dim scroll it’s supposed to be meters 😉

[burnt wren]

"miles" and "meters" is one hell of a fucking typo

That's not a typo, that's a brain aneurism

[finite vine]

I mean it can be easy to write miles instead of meters if your really not thinking about it.

[dull crest]

No narrative designers were hurt making this log

[keen mantle]

Lmao!!! 😂

[burnt wren]

Given the context of the log - "not thinking about" doesn't sound like a good excuse to me. This is important shit - letters like that are written with care and consideration and not [violently typing with a speed of light]

[south lake]

They clearly did not have enough coffee, though.

And yeah, that's a literal 1998.8 mile difference.

(Give or take)

[digital shadow]

Artkek you're really hung up on this. Let it go

[eternal talon]

@shut mountain Would you kindly please replace the 📌 of the previous "FOR DUMMIES" document with this one? This file has been REVISED and rewritten to be more friendly to read, as well as fixing many spelling and writing errors made with the last revision.
- A reminder to those reading this document to get familiar with the lore, this file is too large to click expand, as such you must either download it, or click "View Whole File"

there, fixed. (also rav, it's a different file, v4-1, with the fix to meters/miles) even though it looks the same at first glance

[finite vine]

Have you tried a google doc? That way you can just edit the doc whenever you want.

[eternal talon]

yeah, but as i've said before, it's not about ease of use, it's about storage. this entire file is only 28kb

[finite vine]

google doc takes no storage at all. Its an online document.

[eternal talon]

... i know but i like txt

and that requires being online to access

and i live in the middle of nowhere

so i don't always have that

[finite vine]

Personally, I always like to make small random edits to the things I make. But yea I get where your coming from. I think there is also a way to make it accessible offline as well. Have you ever used google docs before?

[eternal talon]

i have, i used to write stuff like short stories there all the time

always found it more convenient than microsoft word, though something like the LFD doesn't really need the formatting

it's just a block of text in a linear style

so it's easier to access and download

[eternal talon]

really i only ever update it when i'm either changing a lot at once, or a new update comes out. i have a different .txt i keep track of my changes on and when enough are made, i just post them all as one big new document

rather than every few changes at a time

from V3 to V4, yes it was in the same rundown, but i literally rewrote most of it from scratch.

i'm only saying "fuck it" and uploading a 4-1 rn because i just uploaded v4 yesterday, and it's not been long enough to be a big deal imo

this is the correct size of the vein btw for anybody wondering (City for scale is Merida, in the Yucatan)

[eternal talon]

ty

[shut mountain]

Always xoxo

[finite vine]

nice. honestly just do whatever works for you. your the one writing it after all.

[eternal talon]

well i couldn't work on it without the combined effort of everyone in here, working together to do research n' all.

[burnt wren]

That's... Not that big actually

[eternal talon]

here is it to scale with Buckingham Palace

[burnt wren]

i have no idea what that is

my geography grades were SHIT

[eternal talon]

the royal palace in london

where the queen lives.

[solar nova]

You wouldn't if you're not from the UK tbh.

[burnt wren]

so like 10 of those

[eternal talon]

abouts, yeah

about 10 buckingham palaces long

[honest sky]

Thank you very much!

[eternal talon]

if you have any questions, there are always people in here to help! o7

[south lake]

TIL the Yucatan Peninsula has a park named after Kukulkan

Neat fact to know as an amateur mythology nerd

(I'm remembering that right, right? It's on a peninsula? My geography grades were indeed also shit)

[topaz hollow]

Given that in older rundowns the bulkhead doors had threat level ratings on them, what, other than massive, grevious amounts of biomass would trigger an ERR02://OVERLOAD response from the detector/warden?

[topaz hollow]

yes

[green burrow]

Maybe its an easy way for Kovac to mark specific areas so that KSO's know what to expect behind them, rather than being based on biomass amount? Like overload means the area is a total loss and you should never access it, while an extreme threat level requires enough resources and preparation etc.

But yes the fact it gives an error does indeed point towards an automated system.

[eternal talon]

i noticed something quite interesting yesterday while playing. While it is an autogen log and thus the specifics of it aren't canon, they have "unrecognized crystalline solid" in the autogen pool now, so that's certainly interesting. Insight finding Destination's crystals down in the inner.

[burnt wren]

Inb4 the crystals are a manifestation of some lovecraftian entity

[abstract shuttle]

This also probably explains why the flyers teleport in

They have crystals ingrained in their backs

Maybe it's like waypoint in the teleporting

A neon banner

[eternal talon]

their ability is directly related to the crystals, yes. though we dont know specifically how they do it.

its like a more restricted version of what the MWP can do, except the floaters can only do local-teleports

[abstract shuttle]

Local teleports?

[eternal talon]

the floaters can teleport around the complex, yes. that is how they spawn in on levels, with these warp fx you can see in the above picture

[pearl wave]

they warping in same wavelength for local teleports then?

compared to the different wavelength teleports using the mwp

[eternal talon]

the MWP changes world-line of the user to match the taget location

the floaters it would seem cannot do this

and can only teleport within the same location,

and not between different versions of it.

hence why we don't ever encounter any before r6b1.

they only got into the facility because we left the tether open, allowing them to use it to get to earth

well, our version of earth, that is.

but these ones most likely come from destination, where we were at in alpha two, the same ones we were shooting at prior to being pulled back to earth

and they just used our own tether to follow us home

given we only see the MWP again in d1,

who knows how many of them made it into garganta before the WRDN sent another team to close the portal and retrive the MWP.

could be anywhere from hundreds, to thousands.

[pearl wave]

yeah world-line = quantum frequencies for me

[finite vine]

^Yea they are basically same definition.

[finite vine]

how do you know the fliers are not only coming from destination when they teleport?

I have never seen a flier actually teleport locally

[eternal talon]

they don't in levels, only when they spawn in it has the fx.

[finite vine]

Yea but how do you know that is a “local” teleport??? They could of teleported from destination.

[eternal talon]

because we don't see any before r6b1

and it said on hud "warning, cannot terminate tether" or something like that

and they came through behind us.

[finite vine]

yes that is true. But they still used our quantum tether, that was tethered to our quantum frequency, to teleport to earth.

so why can’t they do it again when they pick up our quantum frequency some how.

[eternal talon]

yes, but it was only being held open because them MWP was still in the machine, as you can see in the above picture, we don't take it with us when we leave.

[finite vine]

Yea but there have been other instances of quantum frequencies leaking from earth to destination through the form of matter wave collapses and alarm spawns (when fliers tp to us)

[eternal talon]

alarm spawns is what i was talking about with them teleporting around the facility, like in the greenhouse of r6d2

you can see the warp fx in the ceiling of the greenhouse, yet there are no warp gates on that level

[finite vine]

Yea but I think it is more likely that they are teleporting from destination

[eternal talon]

since they spawn in the same room

[finite vine]

I don’t think there needs to be a warp gate.

[eternal talon]

you are right that i can't disprove it, but the whole "not seeing any before r6b1 when we leave a warp gate open" is enough for me

[finite vine]

there does not need to be a warp gate on some levels when we experience matter wave collapses or data cubes.

[eternal talon]

true, even with r6a1 we just randomly phase into destination when we pick up the device.

[finite vine]

yea that’s a good point. it’s definitely been a while between when insight personnel have last been on destination and when the warden first made contact with destination in r6. so maybe the fliers were dormant or something?

we also don’t know really know anything about how quantum frequency’s can “leak through” from earth to destination.

[eternal talon]

when durant first encounters them in ef01 he talks about them already being active when he got there though, right?
because they were actively hunting for food, rather than waiting for it to stumble into a nest.

[finite vine]

or what a “matter wave collapse” is

[finite vine]

well we don’t know if he was talking about fliers

[eternal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[finite vine]

by dormant I guess I mean dormant to our quantum frequency

[eternal talon]

allens?

[finite vine]

yea probably.

[eternal talon]

we've only seen a couple different species there

i don't know what it'd mean to still have LIVE allens there

or even infected ones for that matter,

[finite vine]

also bishop survived in destination for 2 years. with what food and water? he was probably helped by someone.

[eternal talon]

what edgar encountered in the mines is nothing like anything we've seen in-game before.

[finite vine]

yea. there are definitely other things that teleport.

[eternal talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_line more specifically, it's the difference in quantum frequencies, but yeah.

[pearl wave]

i aint science

[south lake]

Better do some readin' then.

[scenic steeple]

I found Mitsu....

[topaz hollow]

is edgar the bloke who finds a sleeper while laying pipes or smthn?

[burnt wren]

Yes, but Frostty is certain that it wasn't a sleeper. The creature randomly teleported in, "looked like 2 people stitched together" (so far no entity in the game fits that description), and it was curiously starring at Edgar before rushing after him and then teleporting away when others showed up.

It's very unsleeper-like behavior.

Sleepers just immediately rush at anything that isn't one of them in pure blind rage.

[topaz hollow]

sleepers also bumrush light sources iirc, cos the virus causes painful light sensitivity doesn't it?

[eternal talon]

We dont know if it causes them pain, they are just sensitive to it.

Like you are sensitive to freezing cold water when you get into a shower, but it isn't painful to you.

[south lake]

Depends on the individual, but yes

[drifting island]

random question, our four heroes are the cannon 4 that run every level right? so am i digging too far up my own bung hole to wonder if:
they are 'piloting' different prisoners on retries, and that the injection to the start menu lets Woods, Bishop, Hacket, and Dauda control the bodies of (other) prisoners?

or am i working way too hard to fit failed attempts into cannon?

[solar nova]

No, it's definitely not different bodies, same models each time.

[wanton fossil]

Failed runs aren't lore friendly. The prisoners are all just chads in-lore and never fail a run

[honest sky]

As far as I know. Prisoners don't get manually remote controlled. They are just programmed to follow the orders pushed via network.
There were other prisoner teams before us that failed, that's why each level has a snippet of communication on the select screen. Our 4 guys just happen to be successful on every mission they get. Deaths aren't Canon.
There might even be other prisoner teams in operation, since some missions are stated as diversion efforts.

[solemn kraken]

Yes R5B4 I think specifically states that

[eternal talon]

Yes, r6c3 specifically has us acting as a diversionary force while the WRDN sends a team to complete a different objective.

[boreal creek]

any recommended youtubrs for lore?

[eternal talon]

If you must, infiniteduck's video is a great start. Though the overwhelming majority of gtfo-lore on YouTube and other platforms are severely outdated and difficult to keep up to date.
I reccomend reading the "for dummies" document here for pre-apocalypse lore, the "summary of expeditions" document here for post-apocalypse lore, and the notion.so database in the pins where all past and present logs are archived by rayalot.

Most logs are also archived on the wiki by infiniteduck and his team, and the devs have the SantonianIndustries website where they archive logs themselves and occasionally post exclusive logs to.

[somber gazelle]

@boreal creek not really a lore youtuber per se, but on youtube "Roanoke Gaming" has a video for the monsters where he examines them and makes real world assumptions about them etc which is quite interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Xsp0XfnIY

[boreal creek]

Thanks

[south lake]

Isn't that the guy that according to Frostty has gone through and deleted comments trying to correct some points in his video that're incorrect?

[clever niche]

Roanoke gaming isn't really making lore theories for GTFO, he's just doing speculative biology based on pictures of the infected that's unrelated to what is actually going on in the game.

He also makes a lot of vids and not many people have the credentials and knowledge to really question what he says, so he might not care about the accuracy if it puts more videos out.

It could also be unreasonable to expect him to go through every log and catch up with everything the GTFO community has put together

[burnt wren]

Yeah, he's very... efficient that way. His entire gimmick is to over-analyse any movie or video game monster he comes across, and from what i've seen - he seems to have some kind of background on the matter, as he often delves very deeply into his arguments why this or that doesn't make sense from biological stand point.

His "fungus" argument specifically was what triggered Frossty, and it was an argument based on in-game observations, like weird tanks containing greenery (i wonder what he thinks about new garden biomes, heh).
The problem is - we already have info on how sleepers are created which is through Virus/Parasite symbiotic relationship. Virus keeps parasite alive, parasite does whatever it does and boom - we get the sleeps. There isn't a single log mentioning fungus or fungus-like phenomena, so we have to presume that's not what the game is going for and unfortunately this is a rare case of Mr Roanoke being wrong simply because he didn't encountered relevant information, or decided to ignore it for whatever reason.

[south lake]

I dunno, I wouldn't watch his videos simply on the basis that he's not even considering the possibility that his "speculative biology" could be wrong, and deleting the posts of people trying to - essentially - give him the correct info.

[burnt wren]

YouTube is weird with comments so can't say anything about that.

Like, his videos get some MAJOR fraction, you really think he has time to scroll through comments and delete like a dozen of them? I can't imagine that being the case.

[south lake]

Eh.

Who knows, either way if he's refusing to acknowledge that his basis is incorrect and just keeps on truckin' down that same old misinformed path, as it were, that's pretty lame and is bound to confuse people coming into the lore even more than usual.

[eternal talon]

I have photo proof in here if you search for it under my acc name and "roanoke"

Besides, both videos are full of complete nonsense that goes completely against stuff we know as Canon fact in logs

It's theorycrafting from an outsiders pov/ignoring lore, nothing else

[eternal talon]

He commented a response justifying his analysis then deleted the comment thread

^ here, if you don't want to go digging

... hahahahahhahahahahhahahahaha
{World Lines}

[somber gazelle]

wow didnt know this guy was so controversial

[eternal talon]

Usually he isn't, but he did a really bad job with the GTFO lore videos

[somber gazelle]

oof well that sucks. So ik you said the sleepers are from a virus, but spores can be viral still i thought. hence the last of us zombies?

[eternal talon]

Our biology expert @rocky wraith would be best to answer this.

[rocky wraith]

mlem

what's the question?

[rocky wraith]

The single most damaging video to the games sleeper lore lmao

where he straight up ignores the ingame lore over his own speculation. And while he does have a degree in microbiology, it's blinded him to a lot of other unique takes as well

[eternal talon]

This was the question, beanz

[burnt wren]

There is the virus and then there is the parasite.
We received a log this very rundown (which deployed after that video's release) that explains it almost completely.

The virus (nam-v) is batshit insane. It's super infectious and 100% lethal, which led us to believe it might be artifical.

Then, there's "the parasite" who somehow entered a symbiotic relationship with said virus (presumably it's a one sided relationship enforced by the virus, as log directly claims it to be so).

Parasite acts as the carrier (redundant, BTW, as the virus does far better job by itself) , in return the virus grants the parasite an effectively infinite life span.

The parasite, specifically, is what creates the sleepers. Without him NAM-V just kills the infected and that's the end of that.

The only thing we don't know is if virus somehow helps with the turning process,or of parasite does everything himself and enjoys his indefinate lifespan (which explains how the complex is still filled with them despite lack of food).

[somber gazelle]

@burnt wrenthank you!

[stuck aspen]

which monster was schaf talking about during b1

when he was going to test out something with maddox

[burnt cedar]

Snatcher?

[eternal talon]

Yes.

A snatcher grabbed Maddox's corpse and made a run for it

[stuck aspen]

good bai maddox back to the lobby

[burnt cedar]

Im curious as to what the snatchers do with the bodies they snatch? food? something more...spooky?

[stuck aspen]

so lets say, hypothetically the trojan works and schaf takes control over the biocom, what happens next

does schaf just become the new warden

[eternal talon]

No because the wrdn isn't biocom

[burnt cedar]

yeah biocom is just security

[eternal talon]

It'd be two puppeteers fighting over one set of strings

[eternal talon]

It is an AI in and of itself also

[stuck aspen]

has warden considered the prisoners as awol yet

[eternal talon]

Not to mention the hearsay network

[eternal talon]

We don't know

[burnt cedar]

@eternal talon yeah but from what I understood it is very "simple"

[eternal talon]

In d2 it just tells us to return to mission area, and it still sends us on missions after d2, so probably not.

[eternal talon]

Not really.

[stuck aspen]

alternate universe; brakes didnt work and we actually get sent to do the mission

[eternal talon]

It is a decision Intelligence, an ai designed to be faster, smarter, and more efficient than a human could ever be

Wrdn was a different ai that took over the biocom network once its "wrdn protocol" was injected into the system

Warden and biocom are still right now trying to delete eachother

[burnt cedar]

I didnt realize they are working against each other

[eternal talon]

there is a terminal in the mainframe

[burnt cedar]

I thought biocom is just a security measure, a very sophisticated one but still just security

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=48dca58e6400474b9ce35305d3cea32a&pm=s
**BIOCOM. Managing operations through BIOCOM would ensure full coverage for all future expeditions, coordinate additional stationed security posts throughout the facility, and provide round the clock protection or surveillance for all POIs within the theatre of operation (currently Garganta itself and the red zone on the peninsula). BIOCOM is a DI that will take control of resource tracking, supply management, objective specific training, operative briefing, and rapid response deployment.
**

That's the pitch done. The long and the short of it is BIOCOM handles things better than any human can. It doesn't sleep, doesn't make bad decisions based on compassion, and unlike human COs, has a 100% success rate for all fifteen of its deployments (if you need to know more, we'll have to do some paperwork). It still requires human oversight to handle some of the more sensitive ethical considerations, but even that can be pre-programmed to fit your ruleset.

[burnt cedar]

Yeah but still its not some evil AI or anything, it just makes quick decisions regarding security measures, it operates under certain parameters

[eternal talon]

biocom wasn't. we have no fucking idea what wrdn is

[burnt cedar]

yeah exactly

[eternal talon]

so i don't get what you mean.

[burnt cedar]

I am not trying to mean anything. Just taking in new information

[eternal talon]

i recommend reading the "for dummies" doc in the pins for pre-apocalypse lore.

in regards to taking in word for word info, the notion.so is the best you are going to get.

ALL logs, past and present are catalogued there

including the exclusive ones from the https://santonianindustries.com/ website.

[burnt cedar]

Oh boy I thought I had done plenty of research already on the lore but apparently I still need a few hours of reading. Thanks for the links

[solar nova]

Vid's not that bad, Frostty is just deeply offended by it.

It's focused very squarely on environmental story-telling while being unaware of the logs. It's essentially a lore video that's aged for the R1-R3 era.

[eternal talon]

Not true. He quotes several logs from the wiki in that video.

[solar nova]

Iirc he's aware of R6 logs exclusively.

[eternal talon]

https://www.notion.so/6399e10ea26844a0b17c3e9c981bbf83?v=1c05a18a9ee34749890f6484c69c1061&p=9e590f4db7584aeb9d12d53220d449b6&pm=c
https://www.notion.so/6399e10ea26844a0b17c3e9c981bbf83?v=1c05a18a9ee34749890f6484c69c1061&p=1b2b6fac3e3748508010d861172dea53&pm=c
https://www.notion.so/6399e10ea26844a0b17c3e9c981bbf83?v=1c05a18a9ee34749890f6484c69c1061&p=421bd92520ba4f4c9654113ae499fd18&pm=c

here are three logs from r6. 2 mention the "NAM-V VIRUS" and one that mentions "PARASITE"

but that ignoring why you'd only consider one very narrow point of lore compared to everything else

regardless, you don't respond to a comment linking the specific logs with justification of your analysis, then delete said comment thread.

[solar nova]

Frostty, if I had to guess they deleted the thread because you're annoying af.

I am completely not surprised.

[eternal talon]

that is rather rude.

[burnt wren]

Eh, there's a little bit of truth to that. Although it's still weak on Roanoke's part, if true.

You didn't call him N or anything, right?

[eternal talon]

no. i copy-pasted my comment on the other video of his.

[burnt wren]

Oh, interesting.

I wonder if YouTube could recognise that as spam and try to delete it?

[eternal talon]

the 2nd video came out about a week or so later

[eternal talon]

they would have removed it before he replied.

i was talking with others in the comments of that thread on the virus and the parasite and the relation between them

[eternal talon]

i curse a lot, but not like that. i'd have been banned in here years ago were it the case.

[burnt wren]

Weird. I'd rather not assume ill will of people, but it does seem suspicious.

[eternal talon]

Yet you assume Ill of me

[burnt wren]

That was a joke, obviously. And it would be twice the funny if it turned out to be correct.

I do however assume that you would be as... Can't find the word... Intense as always, which I can imagine coming off as annoying, especially from a random YouTube comment.

[eternal talon]

intense?

i'm just very blunt

[burnt wren]

That too, but not sure it quite catches the energy.

[eternal talon]

i dunno

[burnt wren]

It would still be wrong to delete your comments either way, no matter how rough it was - it would still be objectively correct.

If anything he would be able to milk this topic some extra and make "clarification / I was wrong" video.

[solar nova]

He did ping him on this server.

Some account w/ his tag, anyway.

I agree w/ his reasoning in his comment, but the video doesn't really make that claim, so not sure I buy it.

[eternal talon]

Not sure you buy what

[solar nova]

[...] this planet's don't exactly fall into the same category.

A good defense of his position, but not accurate to the content of the video.

"Virus" is also a non-phylogenetic term, so it probably has at least some specific meaning here.

[eternal talon]

What's that mean

[solar nova]

It means virus has meaning apart from evolutionary history.

You can never have a mammal on an alien planet if it didn't originate on Earth.

but you can have a virus on an alien planet that didn't originate on Earth.

[crisp sage]

Me trying to understand all of this but none of it making any sense to me

[burnt wren]

Any specific issues / questions, or?

[crisp sage]

I have so many questions I think I'd be here for hours

Has there been any information at all on the Snatchers? Where they might come from or what influences their behaviour?

[burnt wren]

Absolutely nothing

They just appeared out of thin air

[crisp sage]

Fucking BRUH

[burnt wren]

Unlike Floaters who were actually introduced into the complex by unfortunate circumstances during R6B1

[crisp sage]

I finished D1 about an hour ago and just the constant, if time-based onslaught of snatchers makes me wonder where they are from.

The fact that we face them in both C1 and D1 - I have not done any of the other Cs or Ds, and have no info on E - definitely implies there's more than one, but that in of itself is worrisome.

[burnt wren]

The alert mechanics are more mechanics rather than lore

[crisp sage]

Oh I know it's mechanics over lore.

But just, seeing them more consistently makes me more interested in them.

[burnt wren]

The idea of a specific alert being triggered that somehow brings out just these assholes and nobody else sounds weird to say the least

Although one could try to come up with convincing explanation

But so far - yeah. They are an exceptionally fascinating enemy and we have exactly 0 info on them.

[crisp sage]

Idk. If I hated someone enough and could pull it off, I wouldn't mind having a snatcher alarm for my super secret facility

[burnt wren]

Well, we do have 1 interesting fact as shown by B1 audio comms from Schaeffer - those things are just as fine with grabbing corpses as they are with living prey

Sleepers as a whole are still largely unexplained as a phenomena

[dull crest]

Hey lore people. If we would to a comic, would you be okey if the story in it would give you information and background that would be key to the understanding of GTFO?

[burnt wren]

Hmmm.

[burnt wren]

Generally i'm not okay with the concept of critical lore information being hidden in secondary sources, especially if those sources are behind a pay wall or something.
Rudimentary trivia is fine - for example how our guns and apparel get assembled for something.
But actual important shit like origins of sleepers, inner workings of nam-v, parasite, Warden yadi yada - big no-no, all of that should actually be in-game somehow.

Alternatively: if the game actually had the comic inside itself - that would also be fine.

[crisp sage]

Unless these comics come free to people who own the game and act as supplementary material, nah.

[dull crest]

I guess the Santonian site terminal haven't delivered anything essential then?

[dull crest]

Understandable

[burnt wren]

I still haven't my made my mind on Santonian site. I can appreciate the coolness of idea, but not sure having to go to some actual website to get important info is something i can approve of. Games and their lore must be able to stand on their own, without all this interconnected pain in the ass.

[crisp sage]

I actually like the idea of the Santonian website.

It's free, it's a cool tidbit. It reminds me of what they did with the Cloverfield movie.

[burnt wren]

Although i do see it as a necessary measure, as the game itself is too limited to provide any actual info. Our 4 brainwashed prisoners stumbling around the complex just can't have a convenient access to information, the fact that they can find random audio-recordings of TST radio on the terminals is already a miracle.

Maybe if we had some kind of codex in the main menu...

[harsh saffron]

I would be fine with that actually, love the comic idea tbh

[pearl wave]

would be good if it wont be at a dlc price ^^

[eternal talon]

Only if it is free.

@crisp sage what questions about the lore do you have?

And have you read the "for dummies" doc in the pins? As that explains a lot.

[dull crest]

Good feedback!

[languid holly]

@eternal talon Hey, in your document you said that U22 is apart of the rise project, which logs are their that talk about this, thanks.

Also in the the log 5R3-8M4-HCX.log (https://www.notion.so/6399e10ea26844a0b17c3e9c981bbf83?v=1c05a18a9ee34749890f6484c69c1061&p=6eb024d723f941e2a853474e499d1fd4&pm=c) The words in the beginning are some that U22 uses, is there any correlations in this?

[eternal talon]

most likely, though we don't know for certain regarding cacophony of speech

s22 both is and isn't a part of rise. more specifically, he and the other units are the result of what is left over from rise.

with the WRDN manipulating them in some way to make them invisible to sleepers.

as to which logs, one of his audio logs he says he was born 72 hours ago, and that is consistant with how rise works, explained here https://www.notion.so/ab68b94496bd4b27bec291de65ebd510?v=9c98784771d740f3b605ff63763b4963&p=bd87743403c54cd3a931792bbf13480e&pm=s

[languid holly]

Thank you, I knew the amount of time he said he was alive meant something I just had no idea what, you got any theory on how they were made invisible, was it updated information for them to navigate them or genuinely invisible to them?

[burnt wren]

They were literally invisible. Sleepers ignore them, with only exception being scouts - but even then the horde that comes after can't find what is it scout found. Or at least so i believe.

It almost got Schaeffer killed by accident when it triggered a scout in one of logs.

In R6DX the Warden directly mentioned "increasing masking potential of the specimen" or something like that

[languid holly]

I always assumed that was the one that did get ripped to shreds before they became "invisible"

[burnt wren]

Maybe, maybe not. Might require re-hearing the log to understand WTF is going on.

I joined in R6 so i have no fucking idea what happened to unit 21.

[languid holly]

Oh intresting, it makes sense if you could somehow dampen noises and vibrations created by the Units, going off that then, that should mean some are still in development if Wrdn is able to adjust them?

[burnt wren]

The fact that its unit 22 (and this rundown we were working on 23) does imply that, yes

He iterates, tries to make them better somehow

Presumably keeps pumping them with sleeper DNA / Hormones in attempt to make sleepers think they are one of their own

In one of the older rundowns there was a scene where a whole pile of specimens corpses lies

I wonder if the number checks out?...

Perhaps that room acted as the test? If they can survive that room - they are good enough to go around complex?

[south lake]

It's possible that post-mutation Sleeper genetic material is violently incompatible with standard human life, which would explain all the corpses.

[burnt wren]

Basically warden tries to create a replacement for us. While we do get shit done - we are fucking inefficient with it. Stealth takes too long, we constantly have to shoot down entire hordes in order to get form Zone A to Zone B potentially dealing incalculable damage to expensive equipment.

[south lake]

That would assume the room was being used as a dumping ground for the bodies, though

[languid holly]

Jesus I cant believe I didnt corelate the fact about the babies in the HSU being 23, so I guess the WRDN is trying to keep the program alive through our help, I remember that room from a long time ago but never put that together, remember them having similar clothing, do you know which mission that was or where you can find a photo of it?

[burnt wren]

If he can make KSOs who can walk around the complex effectively freely and just get shit done without a single bullet wasted - we will become obsolete.

[south lake]

And would mean that the goal would be to mutate the units just enough that they're still controllable, but unrecognizable to the Sleepers

[burnt wren]

U22 did looked fucked up

[languid holly]

Thats a really good theory, makes complete sense

[burnt wren]

Not exactly human like, hands especially

Although i can't tell how much of that is body deformity and how much is Schaeffer's gentle touch

[south lake]

Aye, but we have no concrete evidence as to whether that's Sleeper genetics, Schaeffer fucking it up, or from effectively growing up underground in a wildly uncontrolled environment with minimal food resources

Or a side effect of the accelerated growth.

Or any combination thereof

My bet is accelerated growth + minimal food resources

Because malnourishment can cause hella bone deformities in a child's formative years, and accelerated growth rate would probably exacerbate that tenfold

[languid holly]

I'd assume WRDN isn't making ethical choices with their development

[burnt wren]

Look at those hands

One is thin as a stick, and the other is either bloated or crushed

[south lake]

That looks like a combination of malnourishment and sleeper genetic material causing deformities

[languid holly]

Do you have a photo of the room with the corpses piled up?

[burnt wren]

i dont unfortunately

google cant find any either

[languid holly]

Yeah I did try looking, Do you remember which rundown and mission it was?

[languid holly]

Yeah that would also be the variant that is invisible

[harsh saffron]

R4D2, check the R4 wiki page, should have a pic at the bottom of the page

[languid holly]

Awesome thank you

[burnt wren]

There seems to be way more than 20

I can count like 19 before i even touch the pile to the left

And lord knows how many left outside of this screenshot

The pile, however, is very fascinating

Did the sleepers put them like that, or...

[languid holly]

maybe 1 -23 are the ones directly under WRDN control and these are old ones, less developed and left on their own

Id assume maybe they are left were they died, in a panic as the sleepers came

[eternal talon]

@past matrix has pictures of that room

oh nvm my bad

didn't scroll down

[digital shadow]

I'm not a fan of things like this. Reminds me of how wow had it's story all screwed up to hell and back because half of it was in books that less than half the player base read. No thanks.

[dull crest]

This is why I ask 🙂

[digital shadow]

[digital shadow]

I need to visit the website that was mentioned. Give it a good looksie

[crisp sage]

The Rise Program.

That's the one where it's like

Trying to rapidly create 'operatives' for combat purposes, right?

I'm probably wording it terribly.

[burnt wren]

I'm honestly not quite sure. Can't remember jack shit about it.
But mostly yes, that's the one responsible for creation of artificial operatives - the Units, like U22 and U23 we're trying to make this rundown.

[crisp sage]

Were there previous Units? Cuz I saw you guys mention it up above but I'm too stupid to put myself out there and ask for clarification.

[burnt wren]

I joined rundown 6, so my knowledge on older rundowns is finnicky. But i believe the lads around here mentioned that they had to deal with U21 in previous rundowns.

Not sure what happened to it.

[eternal talon]

We don't know what any of them were before u22

And personally I don't remember dealing with a u21 at all, unless you consider the r2-r3 neonate to be u21.

[eternal talon]

Yes. On the notion.so in the pins, go find and read the "push for faster growth" log

Most of our info on rise comes from that

I'm on mobile rn so can't link it sadly

[somber gazelle]

Most important lore question i have atm is why everyone calls the immortal tank in E1 "Pablo". I have my own theories but i want confirmation

[burnt wren]

No idea. One guy around this server claims that he has unique names for all the big enemies in a case discord cuts out the "BIG" part of the name when spoken which will give teammates incomplete info - so he gave everyone unique special names. Maybe he's the one who started it?

[minor thicket]

nuggie called it pablo when r7 came out

insane lore

[somber gazelle]

@minor thicketthe only lore that matters XD

[final sentinel]

I am not the one who started pablo but thank you

:3

Started bc of a big shadow being misheard as shadow

[burnt wren]

why not just call it "large shadow"

same meaning, easier to hear

[final sentinel]

Idk man, I like naming things ig

It helped

[fervent lagoon]

because he walks like pablo

that is all

0 depth whatsoever

[somber gazelle]

@fervent lagoon yet how do we all arrive at the same conclusion that his name is Pablo? XD and not like Francois or something

[fervent lagoon]

its like a gauntlet

the best name slowly spreads

like chicken for giant shooters

[somber gazelle]

hmm true. But chicken is literally the perfect name is not?

[fervent lagoon]

exactly