pc-build-help-and-tech-talk

[subtle flare]

It's really bad game-performance wise

[torpid elbow]

and multiple layers of a level is just poopoo

yep

easily cuts my fps in half

same as biolab environment but perhaps even worse

bc biolab just doesn’t run but at least it doesn’t flood my memory

whereas dimensions just seem to be invisible textures loaded in on top of eachother until that dimension is turned on

[robust crane]

Oh Ok. I'm pretty new so I've only done all the A and B levels in R1 and R2

[north elk]

"16GB VRAM" what the fuck

[torpid elbow]

want me to show you?

the game DEVOURS vram if there’s dimensions

[north elk]

Oh no I trust you... It's just, damn

[torpid elbow]

I seriously think its loading the invisible game objects

for the other dims

[north elk]

Like no frustum culling ?

[torpid elbow]

devs dun goofed up

[north elk]

Not a 10c dev so I can't assume

But ye it's funny

[torpid elbow]

yep sure is

[formal plume]

this is extremely difficult if you are good with used parts

but I guess it boils down to "best for the budget I have"

there isn't really a "the best value PC" except that there is, but why target that

[bright shard]

Dad spilt basically a full glass of water directly into the top vent of his pc while it was on, place your bets whether it still works after its dry on a week

[north elk]

YIKES

did he switch it off immediatly?

[fleet canopy]

Uhhhh

I'll give it a yes

It should be alright

[sweet bone]

that depends on what you want the performance to have as features. If you're only looking to do 1080p at a rock solid 60fps, a surprisingly low budget can get you there. When you start pushing higher resolutions and more effects, that's where things start to cost more and get harder to maintain the "fps per dollar spent" equation in the positive.

[somber pendant]

is 60 FPS good for GTFO or is it in the eh works but id get smth better catogory

[sweet bone]

i mean, the game is mostly "slowly creep around and stare into the fog"

[torn ferry]

What is considered overpriced or too expensive for a PC case?

[bright shard]

over 180 usd, or a case several sizes larger than what the motherboard requires.

[bright shard]

just confirm that your monitor can actually run over 60 fps (which unless its a cheap 4k monitor, most monitors run at at least 75 fps nowadays).
most of the later levels involve decent gunplay, but i'd say you dont really need more than 100 fps.

[fleet canopy]

100-150$ is a good price for anything high end ish

Usually well made, and doesn't look cheap either

[bright shard]

My p600s was like 160 and honestly, best case ive had so far.

[torn ferry]

And how come there aren't many 4 stick DDR5 kits?

[bright shard]

Because very few people need 64 gb ram, also its more stress on the mc, so trying to sell based on an xmp or expo or whatever does not work well

Ie 2 kits at xmp is no longer stable

[torn ferry]

Is 4 8GB sticks still OK to do?

[jade ermine]

big case enjoyers club

but yea for aio/normal heatsink i would not drop over 150 for a case

[bright shard]

Of ddr5? Sounds silly.

[torn ferry]

Why?

[bright shard]

because 2 x16 sticks are cheaper than 4x8, with probable better performance going to the 16gb sticks.

[torn ferry]

I like 4 sticks instead of 2.

[bright shard]

then take the increase in cost and decrease in performance.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/154qfus/4x8_vs_16x2_ram_sticks/

[north elk]

Interesting

[torpid elbow]

you can get “filler” sticks

fake ram sticks

to fill up your empty slots

probably cheaper and definitely better for performance

[lunar vector]

btw ddr5 is dog

xD

so unstable real big headache to get to work right good luck xmping it you could get lucky lol

and 4 stick ddr5 very annoying too

[fleet canopy]

idk

Just get a two stick kit with good enough speed and you're fine

They seem finicky as fuck about speed for one of the two manufacturers but that's about it

[formal plume]

the issue with that is generally it's achieved through some sort of overclock

so you get ghosting and frame smearing

but it isn't that horrible unless you managed to get a really bad monitor

[bright shard]

Honestly, when i can get a 4k 144hz 27 in qd oled is when im going to fucking upgrade

[torpid elbow]

EXPO seems to work fine for me

[torpid elbow]

that probably exists

I have the ultrawide variant of that exact spec

well

not exact

4k is usually 32 inch huh

[bright shard]

there was an implied displayport 2.1

[torpid elbow]

?

your pc does not support dp 2.1?

[bright shard]

there are 27 in 4k monitors tho.

and yes, my pc supports dp 2.1

[torpid elbow]

is there a 27in 4k 144hz+ qd oled?

[bright shard]

not that i know of

[torpid elbow]

bc it doesn’t sound too strange of a spec

damn you’re right

there’s nothing

[bright shard]

yep.

a monitor like that could be endgame for like 20 years

[torpid elbow]

I see them with 32 inch tho

[bright shard]

im sure they're too afraid to make it.

post

[torpid elbow]

I swear by ultrawide

[bright shard]

hate uw

[torpid elbow]

nvm i’m capping

it was qled

and there’s miniled

but no oled

damn

they start at like 42 inch

which is too big for me

[bright shard]

exactly.

the closest is PG32UQXR for the moment, but its not out yet.

but its not oled

[twin python]

Does anyone here know what would be the like minimum gpu "level" to hit ~180fps on all settings around high in this game specifically? I currently have a 2060 and get about 50-100fps on all low settings and have seen that the recommendation is a 4070 but i just wanted to know if anyone has actually gotten the frames i want, on the settings i want, with a gpu they already have tested it with.

my cpu is a 2600x if that's relevant

[bright shard]

you probably are being bottlenecked by your cpu and basically everything else.

the performance you're asking for is probably going to be from:
(at 1440p) a 7900xt/xtx 4080/4090

but its sometimes a crapshot with this game under windows.

[atomic mountain]

I can verify 4070ti will give you 165 consistently (that's as high as my monitor will go) with max settings at 1440p

[twin python]

@bright shard @atomic mountain
thank you both. so it seems like i'm gonna minimum need a 4070 and then see how the cpu handles that—and see if that, too, needs to be upgraded.

[subtle flare]

You don’t get 180 FPS at this game with a 4090

R4-R5 levels you get 120 max consistently and dip to 60 at times

Shows just how unoptimized this game is

[bright shard]

you could probably eek out a little more in linux with proton, but eeeeh.

definitely runs like crap

[subtle flare]

I run below 40% GPU utilization as well

🗿💀

[bright shard]

my utilization on this game was always better with dxvk instead of straight dx

very annoying

i don't know for my 7900xt, but i don't really care about any game tweaking, because i still am only at 1080p@75

[subtle flare]

I can run cyberpunk at psycho settings better than GTFO

To put things into perspective

[bright shard]

i hope that one performance tweak mod gets completed

[subtle flare]

It’s looking pretty good

The optimization mod increases your frames by a lot

And you don’t lose frames when flicking

[bright shard]

waiting for cyber-pay-day to also run like crap

[subtle flare]

Fr fr

I love GTFO but damn does it need optimization

[atomic mountain]

Do you recommend any mods? I just started playing 2077 but only vanilla.

[subtle flare]

Mods when you just started vanilla?

I’d just wait till you finish base game

[fleet canopy]

Honestly I can't imagine that a monitor like that wouldn't ever be endgame

Outside of the fact that it eventually will do burn in, which will be mini led to take over that

[atomic mountain]

I meant for visuals or QoL stuff. Nothing really game changing.

Well, maybe not even QoL stuff.

[bright shard]

😵‍💫 too many negatives

[bright shard]

are you agreeing or disagreeing

[fleet canopy]

I'm saying that at that point, a 4k 144-240Hz in oled would be an endgame for a really long time

I can't imagine that it would ever not be, until mini led becomes more viable

There is 8k but who the hell is ever gonna play anything without piss poor performance on that resolution

[bright shard]

hard agree.
unless computing really hits that breakthrough 10x discovery, 4k@160 is going to be the reasonable cap for a long time

the breakthroughs will have to be made in monitor tech to improve experience

[fleet canopy]

What about for CPUs?

From what I remembered a while ago over all the discussions of the 4090 and that nearly all or pretty much all the CPUs couldn't actually keep up with the 4090 to provide a true 95-100% usage on the 4090, there was maybe something brought up for optimizations for that

I suppose it's kinda pointless but I did remember that

I think more that windows has to do optimize for CPUs I think? But I honestly don't remember anymore past that point

[bright shard]

i think the next big thing would be getting rid of direct x entirely

its just too slow and bloated and causes issues with cpu overhead

[fleet canopy]

Oh I see

So would that mean an entire replacement of it then?

[bright shard]

a wholesale vulkan sort of deal

or something that could be easily translated into vulkan

[fleet canopy]

full vulkan support would be cool

[bright shard]

i know that khronos group absolutely has to be cooking something crazy up

[fleet canopy]

But from what I remember it's outright worse if you're running something pre 20 series

But maybe that part is just that there isn't optimization for older GPUs to take better advantage of it

[bright shard]

main problem is very few games are actually running straight vulkan

we dont really have a point of base comparison for the most part outside of dxvk

by the time such a shift would be feasable, 20 series would be a far memory

[fleet canopy]

Yeah most of the world probably will have at least gotten a good upgrade to support true vulkan I suppose

[lunar vector]

nice i mena i build pcs and about most of em work with xmp or docp same thing. but after a stress test we find them to be unstable so we lower the mhz til we find the sweet spot of stability and performance but 4 sticks is almost always a nightmare lol

[torpid elbow]

oh yeah 4 sticks is ass on ddr5

but I’m saying I can run my sticks at 6000 mt easily

(advertised speed)

and memtest does not complain

[bright shard]

Typically, for the case of two sticks, you can get away with a bump, even past xmp.
Its likely easy because your ram was already highly binned.

[torpid elbow]

I think monitors are kind of underrated by the gaming community. They’d rather spend 2000 on a 4090 for “higher quality settings” than 700 on an OLED monitor… wonder which one will do most for your experience

[torpid elbow]

that’s been my experience as well

[bright shard]

All my high refresh bros tell me going past 180hz is a scam when your monitor is already a blurry mess.

The response time is the real metric to shoot for, for clarity.

[torpid elbow]

yep

and OLED has that hehe

[bright shard]

Yep.

[torpid elbow]

both gtg and 0-100

an order of magnitude faster than even TN or VA

ips has always been strange

[fleet canopy]

I mean, if your monitor already is like 1440p and 144hz, or higher, it's good enough either way

[bright shard]

I like ips, the black bars on va are weird.

[fleet canopy]

Outsidfe of overall colors and the black color

[torpid elbow]

I had a 144hz 1440p ultrawide before my current monitor

it was a cheap VA panel

like on the cheap end of VAs

had horrible overshoot when enabling any kind of overdrive

pictures were smeared out when moving

[fleet canopy]

But it's sufficient anyway, the only drawback is my PC just sorta sucks if I want to enjoy RDR2 but have it run really well with the high/est graphics

I would definitely do oled but since it has burn in, I don't really want to get one for the burn in

I'd just have to eventually wait for that one for a nice setup later on where it's not a hassle to have a secondary main monitor

[bright shard]

Its becoming less of a problem

[fleet canopy]

yeah that I do understand

Not sure how much of that has been reduced though

[bright shard]

Im just glad plasma did not evolve into the pc space. Those things get HOT.

[lunar vector]

yeah i play at 144hz that was my jump from 60

i've seen 240hz and 200hz and it just doesnt feel different

our eyes really cant perceive that

[fleet canopy]

Nah that's not really true

But yeah I'm pretty sure the main issue going up to 240hz is purely just the response times being dogshit for the refresh rate

[bright shard]

Eyes definitely can, monitors just arent there yet.

[fleet canopy]

If the refresh rate can do 240hz, but the pixels aren't able to change colors fast enough, it doesn't look any better than just having 144hz

[lunar vector]

144hz is the sweetspot in terms of good refresh and response

its been pretty much perfect

[fleet canopy]

But since response times are shortened to a true range of 1 milliseconds unlike the shit lies that companies tell you about regular panels like TN/VA/IPS, it looks godtier for 240hz

[lunar vector]

i'venever played above 1080p tho

[fleet canopy]

And it has practically 0 ghosting, it shouldn't look like a blurry mess

I genuinely have no clue how people come to the conclusion that you aren't able to see past a certain framerate

Your eyes aren't made of materials that computers share

They easily can surpass all monitors on resolution, refresh rate, response times that we haven't really reached with monitors yet at all, if we were to compare eyes to monitors

[bright shard]

Eyes and brains are definitely not equal.

[fleet canopy]

Well for sure not at all

But eyes can do so much more than people who assume shit and believe that you can't see past 60fps or 144fps

[bright shard]

The outliers definitely outpace the general population

[fleet canopy]

It's just simply a dumb lie, and the thing is, your eyes are actively focusing on the monitor, nothing else

It will do far better on something that isn't moving that displays image than if it were to shake around during an earthquake for example

[bright shard]

Honestly, i wonder how many of them just forgot to change their monitors refresh rate.

[fleet canopy]

reminds me of greekgodx

[bright shard]

If i can't trust them to send an email, idgaf about what their thoughts are on rr and biology

[fleet canopy]

Played on 60hz for so fucking long until one day playing apex and talked about how his current didn't feel any different from the old one

And someone said he probably forgot to set his refresh rate

[bright shard]

I wish monitors, windows, and games were less trash at negotiating frame rates

Ah yes, please give me 60fps ootb.

[torpid elbow]

it do be like that

on the serious side though, I ended up getting an OLED display and the insane response times on that panel make ghosting look surreal (it does not exist)

even playing gtfo and turning around while having a bright reflection in your fov (black to white)

that reflection will never be blurred during your turning around

always razor sharp

it’s pretty insane

it’s like I’ve always had motion blur on when playing on VA

[formal plume]

get an 8K screen with 360hz

or else you die

[fleet canopy]

360? nah

500hz minimum

[torpid elbow]

no I like my monitor

oo btw if you consider oled one thing to consider is that they are seriously sensitive to light

[torn ferry]

Why are there not many white or silver motherboards?

[fleet canopy]

Because they sort of just decided to set on a standard of just being darker colors

Unless you are going for a certain color scheme, like a full white out build, it usually just works with a lot of stuff

Would be nice if most of them had a color picker

Could play around with black and choose certain highlights, or have a choice of a full white

[formal plume]

I can imagine that increasing costs quite a bit

just having white already makes it more expensive

[formal plume]

silver is oddly specific, sounds like a one and done custom job that would be at least 3x the price

[torn ferry]

Silver being close enough to white.

[formal plume]

but thats still different paint

and white boards are already expensive enough

being the only other color than black

[dry hollow]

ASRock have some funky colored AM5 boards like the b650 live mixer and a few blue accented boards

[formal plume]

bUt iS It SIlVeR

[dry hollow]

Unfortunately no

The live mixer board looks really ugly in my opinion

[fleet canopy]

For it being ugly, it has some nice specs at least from what the manufacturer claims

Unnecessary for gaming or streaming though

Like all the extreme overclocking stuff matters fuckall to the streamers and content creators lmfao

But I could buy that in any other board that does it better or doesn't look quite as fugly

[formal plume]

"I got a i9-13900K"
"you know what to do with the K?"
"no, but it is the most powerful"

[fleet canopy]

I try to look for it

And it's fucking nowhere

Do they want people to buy it or not

[formal plume]

honestly sometimes it feels like that

like with the PS5

or certain phones

[fleet canopy]

Certain phones?

I guess razer decided to stop doing mobile gaming stuff trolly

[formal plume]

funny enough

they just released IEMs designed for mobile streaming

shit audio, best comfort design

the audio is bad because it is "tuned for long periods of use"

[fleet canopy]

lol

[torpid elbow]

13900ks😶

[fleet canopy]

Highest power draw CPU at 493 recorded by hardware unboxed

Second highest being 371, with a close follow up being 355 by the 7950X

Honestly can't imagine how the fuck it's really just passable

The 12900K being the second, doesn't even hit 100c at the same time as the 13900K, which took that 17 seconds

[formal plume]

[torpid elbow]

what about TR

400W base under all core load

[fleet canopy]

I don't think you could use a threadripper for multiple stuff as efficiently as just the 13900K/7950X

[torpid elbow]

fair

[fleet canopy]

In which I mean to be able to game, do the production work, etc. as efficiently, so pretty much sticking to the usual consumer products like the ryzen lineup

Threadrippers serve their purpose in a more specific area of computers than the ryzen/intel core lineup

[torpid elbow]

fair point

my 7700x draws 135W max

still overheats though

because ryzen 7000 is HOT

[fleet canopy]

ye

[torn ferry]

How much better cooling is a custom loop setup?

[sweet bone]

as compared to what? an AIO?

[fleet canopy]

Depending on how it might be, it can be the same, or much better

[sweet bone]

depending on how it's built and how many radiators/reservoirs you're using, could be equal to anywhere from "close" to "nearly double the efficiency"

[fleet canopy]

Like on a build shown above from like a few days ago to a week, the dude had a radiator that was the size of the entire case but thinner

That probably cools it off efficiently, and probably outdos the more popular AIOs

But considering if it's gonna be a basic custom for the CPU or GPU, I don't think it really is worth it in the long run

Doing custom loops require somewhat more maintenance, you gotta drain the water and clean it out if you see anything unwanted in the water

[sweet bone]

I generally don't reccomend people go "custom loop" unless A) you want to tinker with it and fixing/adjusting/moving/building things is fun for you, or B) you're looking to overclock and need the thermal headroom.

[fleet canopy]

It's a lot more work to deal with a custom than it is to have an AIO

He's pretty much average guy who wants to play games, usual plug and play so I don't think having more maintenance on top of dust cleaning would be the best for him

[sweet bone]

It's like... Microwave popcorn (AIO) versus movie-style popcornmaker with authentic oil/seasoning/butter (custom loop)

sure, it's better, but do you really need that much overkill if you're only going to eat a handfull of popcorn? not really

[fleet canopy]

Eh only depends on how the custom loop is again, overall I would say the average custom loop builds can compare to the regular AIOs

[sweet bone]

yeah, that's true

[fleet canopy]

In just about a lot of cases with building a PC, you really don't have to do cutom loop. I see it only as more of a passion and want, rather than a need unless you want to do extreme/ish overclocking and maybe workstation stuff where your 13900K will start heating up with all the fat lot of wattage for the CPU

[torn ferry]

I was just looking at parts for a third PC.

[torpid elbow]

I get 2, but 3?

3 sounds like a me amount of pcs

(I have 4)

although one is a laptop

so 3 I guess

[dry hollow]

I have a gaming rig, server and a laptop

[sweet bone]

hides his totals

1 gaming rig, 1 server, 1 NAS, 2 laptops, a chrome book and a work-issued laptop.

[viscid prism]

Hey guys. I think 1 ram isnt working. I build a new pc, borh rams were working. Now i made some bios changes and suddenly the ram in the 4th slot doesnt work anymore. I Put it out, now my pc boot. I put it back in and it doesnt boot. Even if i switch the working ram with the not working one it diesnt work. So its the ram and not the mb slot probably

I resetted csmos battery too. Didnt seem to fix it

[sweet bone]

to test ram, look into running a ram testing software on a bootable usb

there's lots of them out there that'll do the trick.

you want to test each stick, in each slot, to isolate if it's the stick or the slot

if you move the "bad stick" somewhere else in the chain, it's possible it's your MB slot that's faulty.

[viscid prism]

I tried it. Its the actual stickrr and not the slot

I resetted the cmos battery again and now it does work. But i get this screen

[sweet bone]

press F1

that'll load your bios. it's possible the bios is a problem, and isn't detecting something

also, you have 6 keyboards and 5 mice

[viscid prism]

Both rams working ig

[sweet bone]

enable DOCP

[viscid prism]

Enabled

[sweet bone]

quit and reboot, just to see

[viscid prism]

Jesus

[sweet bone]

also, it should be like that, A2 and B2 is generally the config for most motherboards.

[viscid prism]

Save and exist

Click ok?

[sweet bone]

yeah, save and exit

that'll put your ram to 6400Mhz

[viscid prism]

Ye

[sweet bone]

should work now, if you go into the bios, you should see those values.

[viscid prism]

Ye going into bios, second

[dry hollow]

if it booted at 6400 thats impressive for ryzen 7000

[viscid prism]

I have an ryzen 9 7900x3d

[sweet bone]

yeah, you should be good to go

don't see any issue there

[viscid prism]

Okay, one more question

Why can i kick out the fan?

Thats my fan right there

[sweet bone]

what do you mean by "kick out" ?

It's possible that it's a Lian-Li RGB controller that goes through a USB connection to get power.

look for that piece specifically, i'm sure you'll find a bunch of people asking the same question.

because although that's a fan, it's also an RGB fan with a utility/software to make it sync up with sound/effects/etc.

so because it's more than just a "standard fan" it's possible that it's showing up in your settings because something's making it show up there (like Lian-li's RGB Control Software, whatever it's called).

[viscid prism]

Ye i have the controller it connected to an usb thingsy...

[viscid prism]

@sweet bone do you know how i can make this thingy, to double up the speed of the 2 ssds?

I know that the x670e-plus supports that kind of option tho

[dry hollow]

are you talking about using raid 0?

[formal plume]

skill issue

[viscid prism]

Yea

[remote gazelle]

Is this game good on ultrawide?

[formal plume]

I was called ultrawide in high school

[subtle flare]

Idk

Is it better in certain aspects? Yes

Define "good" for me

[remote gazelle]

Okay brudda I shall define good.

Does the hammer actually take up too much room on the screen?

[subtle flare]

You tell me

Not sure if you can tell from that picture

[remote gazelle]

I see.
I've been in the market for a new monitor and had heard that it takes up a lot of space, so that's why I ask.
Your monitor is 45", is that still 21:9 aspect ratio or is it larger?

[subtle flare]

21:9 yes

It does take up a lot of space

And make sure if you're going with the new tech that you have a GPU that can handle it

I had to buy a 60" desk to commodate a dual monitor setup

[remote gazelle]

My desk is pretty big so no issue there. Are the dual monitors the same model?

[subtle flare]

No

I have a 24.5"

Vertical

My monitor is pricey (ultrawide)

No way I'm getting 2 if I don't need 2

[remote gazelle]

For sure. What model, if you don't mind me asking?

[subtle flare]

Which one?

[remote gazelle]

the ultrawide

[subtle flare]

https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-45gr95qe-b-gaming-monitor?srsltid=ASuE1wTjXRq1HKZFolD8PQTMwGxeGUAEhliIxkeJclHHKdCKuNmEOFbVCcI

I'm an early adopter

[remote gazelle]

Appreciate the share. Honestly thought a 45" OLED would be even pricier.

Does the resolution look good to you?

[subtle flare]

For last gen the AW3432 was pretty goated

Was actually considering that until the new shit came out

Resolution is good

Especially with that refresh rate too

Honestly cracked

[remote gazelle]

I always hear people say like pixel density drops off for 1440p past like 32". Then I'll look myself and think, it really doesn't look that bad.

What card do you have?

[subtle flare]

Pixel density is low

Granted

I'm running a 4090

[remote gazelle]

What made you want to stay at 1440 instead moving to 4k?

[subtle flare]

Refresh rate

Rather have 240 Hz

[remote gazelle]

Could 4090 not push 4k close to 240hHz.

[subtle flare]

No 4K monitor has that capability

Think max currently is 144 Hz

[remote gazelle]

Ah yeah huh. I think there's a samsung that does, but besides that........

Was the 45" size a decision you made for games, or other stuff as well?

[subtle flare]

Oh I remember

There’s no 4K OLED at that speed

I wanted an OLED panel as well

[subtle flare]

Nah it was just the only thing with 1440p and 240 Hz [insert ultrawide]

I wanted a QD OLED panel

But MSI and Samsung were coming out Q2/Q3 with that and they were gonna be 54”+

Being an early adopter and my computer at the time being broken I couldn’t really wait

[remote gazelle]

You think the oled was worth it vs some of the nicer ips panels?

[subtle flare]

OLED worth

Imo

Better color, faster response times

IPS panel is fine, my alienware monitor is IPS and it's alright

You have to worry about backlighting

I was lucky and it barely has any

[remote gazelle]

For sure. It sounds like it's a pretty sweet panel. You concerned about burn-in?

[subtle flare]

Kinda

Which is why I wanted a QD OLED panel

But I've been pretty diligent with the image cleaning process(es) so I think it'll last long

It also does it automatically too, which is nice

[remote gazelle]

Does QD have like a safety net for burn-in?

[subtle flare]

It just projects OLED for better longevity

If you want the fancy specifics, you can do the research youself

Pretty interesting

Long story short, just helps with less burn in and stuff

[remote gazelle]

I see. You're running a 4090 at 3440x1440 so that must get you dummy frames at that res.

I'm considering a 34" ultrawide, high refresh (at least 144Hz). Don't know about oled yet.

I'm still rocking a 1080Ti, so I think the resolution should be fine.

[subtle flare]

Might struggle a bit

[remote gazelle]

You think those extra horizontal pixels will do it?

[subtle flare]

Maybe, I upgraded from a 10xx series card because it couldn't even run 20 FPS at 1080p

Would scare me to run 4K, probably wouldn't achieve the refresh rate even though 1808Ti is a powerhouse

[remote gazelle]

I came from a 27" 2560x1440 panel at 144Hz, until it broke. I reached close to 144 fps in a lot of the games I played. I'm now on a burner 24" 1920x1080 panel at 60Hz, lel.

[subtle flare]

Ah well

[remote gazelle]

I doubt 1080Tis are pushing 4k past 60fps. I'm comfortable with 1440 for higher fps.

Appreciate the sharing Void.

[torpid elbow]

if you have the money I agree with void, get a qd oled monitor

burn in is an oversold issue

the monitors have built in protection AND a short timeout when no user input is given

and especially in gaming there’s no real chance of burn in

anyways

about gpus:

amd just dropped some new drivers and they seem to have boosted all 6000 cards by about 20% performance and all 7000 cards by 25-30 ish

that’s insane

I know I always tell people amd has more potential bc of raw power but I wasn’t expecting this

[remote gazelle]

Don't you tend to hear that more with nVdida's cards?

[torpid elbow]

nvidia cards are already good out of the box

very good drivers

[remote gazelle]

No the raw power part.

[torpid elbow]

oh nah no way

nvidia has less raw power for the price but usually better drivers AND a bigger feature set

which usually means nvidia falls behind in fps at native resolutions, without ray tracing and all

but when you start to enable dlss and rt, amd is nowhere

but now that they basically gave all their GPUs a 1 tier upgrade

amd should be a no brainer over any 40 series under a 4080

[remote gazelle]

Oh I see what you're saying.

Nvidia still holds the position for pure brute force (4090), but the cards below that on AMD's side have proven to be a better value in recent generations. I'm starting to remember again.

[formal plume]

it's been that way forever

well in the sense of 3090 is outdated, kinda forever

[remote gazelle]

I've been out of the gpu knowledge base since like 2018 so that info slides by me usually.

[torpid elbow]

fair point

the 4070 is worth getting if these new drivers weren’t there

for amd

but rn

you get a 6950 xt for the same price as a 4070

which is honestly insane

they are more or less equal

6950xt is better in most games but 4070 has that feature set

both good cards for 1440p ultra 144hz tho

gtfo does the funny less fps than AAA titles tho

I think this over last month

[subtle flare]

GTFO just sucks ass in terms of performance 😩

[torpid elbow]

yep

[fleet canopy]

Does that also do a bit more work on the power draw too?

[torpid elbow]

doesn't seem like it

[bright shard]

Gah damn, not even home for a while to take part in this massive jump. But i also just bought a 6700xt, so my dad is gonna get a day 1 boost he wont even notice.

[torpid elbow]

yep

[fleet canopy]

I suppose regardless of the fact power draw is still sort of a thing, honestly can't really turn down an extra 20-30% increase for raster

[north elk]

plus like

if we get the same power draw

but 30% more perfs

[fleet canopy]

I was gonna go for the 4080 but honestly

[north elk]

then they really did just fix power usage

proportionally speaking

[fleet canopy]

idk?

I think it was more about idle

But honestly just comparing it to the 4080, you'd be dumb to not get the 7900 XTX unless you had a specific reason whatsoever

[north elk]

maybe it's better for streaming because it has some encoding related extras

[fleet canopy]

Ray tracing, I'm pretty sure it handles fairly well enough to not be an issue anyway

[north elk]

But if you're a gamer and not a streamer

heh

[bright shard]

I got xt only because xtx wasnt in stock and i literally could not wait longer.

[fleet canopy]

😔

They apparently were planning to make the XT the biggest seller

Dumb idiots as no one wants the XT as the XTX is literally only pennies more for better performance

Of course it eventually gets lowered

But I mean

I still would rather an XTX

[torpid elbow]

xtx do be too expensive for me

and doesn’t matter for gtfo because culling😎

[north elk]

I ordered the XTX 7m after the release tddttdtf 🙏

Was affraid of bots mass buying them to resell at insane prices

[subtle flare]

I ordered my 4090 the day before it released

Actually lucky af at the time

[north elk]

How

[fleet canopy]

He ordered it the day before it released

Duh

[grave moth]

ever heard of pre-ordering?

[fleet canopy]

A sin so unforgivable

[subtle flare]

No

I didn’t preorder

I quite literally ordered the day before

Just as Mayroo said

[subtle flare]

MSI sent me an email at 2 am saying that the 4090 is in stock to be ordered day before

I was playing GTFO at the time, dropped everything and paid for it

Lmao

Pre-ordering doesn’t exist in this market

Not real lol

It only ever happens after the first batch goes out and they go “out of stock preorder next batch” type shit

Even then I didn’t see that for the 4090 when it went out of stock

[fleet canopy]

I was joking partly

But yeah there really isn't a pre order

I don't think any company has done a preorder right after AMD/NVIDIA announces a date and price

[crude basin]

hello can I get pc specs and fps, I want to compare game performance

[placid sentinel]

amd ryz 7 2700x + 32g mem + nvid 3060 + win11 details somewhat reduced, a solid 60fps, without vsync (max framerate 61) 1440p.

[formal plume]

i5-8300H, 16GB, GTX 1050, Win11, having that one setting reduced, get about 40FPS at 1080p

[subtle flare]

Please also bear in mind that GTFO is not an optimized game, these game performance numbers are bound to be better in other respective games

[formal plume]

yeah it cannot use a RTX 4090 to it's fullest extent, which is a great example of how game requirements can be jank

so if you get a top end GPU, don't expect it to just fix everything

[fleet canopy]

The performance is really weird with gtfo, though a lot less weird now

Used to be that you could have a 580 but a similar ish card or only somewhat better was doing poorly iirc

Was only pretty obvious when the 2080 Ti couldn't even run the game well enough

Well maybe earlier

But yeah

[jade ermine]

5800X3D + 4090 + 32gb cant get even stay above 70fps in some cases

get around same fps as my friend with 2080ti + 7800x3d

[limber cape]

i get 100+ on a laptop 3060 (i have my texture resolution at half)

[north elk]

Yeah if you play in 420p I guess it runs smooth

[torpid elbow]

SOME cases yes

my lowest fps would be in R7D1 probably

either that or R6DX

90 still though

[jade ermine]

R7 had some horrible maps for sure. i play on 5120x1440

[formal plume]

R6DX was worse than R7D1

[bright shard]

def

[crude basin]

Thanks ygs

[torn ferry]

Are RTX 40 series cards still having driver issues and such? Or are they OK to buy now?

[merry bay]

do you recall any specific issue or just a general "is it mature enough to not troubleshoot often"

[fleet canopy]

I've never really heard of any issues with the 4000 series

The only issue is that the low end is just a horrible buy, the only good option is to go with a 4080 and 4090 least to my understanding

Unsure of what the 4070 ti was like, but I don't think it was really received too well?

[subtle flare]

The 4090 never had driver issues

Only "issue" it had was the connector issue

[fleet canopy]

Which was just improper installation iirc

[subtle flare]

Yep

[fleet canopy]

Just make sure to push that connector in

[subtle flare]

Honestly, don't understand how people did it

[fleet canopy]

Don't be scared to break it

[subtle flare]

I actually think they're dumbfucks ngl

Because when I installed mine there is a massive audio click

Like, very noticible

[fleet canopy]

It's like the 24 pin for the motherboard, you are gonna have to, and you won't break it

[torn ferry]

I just heard from someone that the 40 series were bad to buy, and they cited "driver issues".

[fleet canopy]

I have no idea where that comes from

[merry bay]

like others said, the only reason it's a bad buy is the price

[fleet canopy]

Maybe that was like a very near day one version

By then, it's already been like 3 months?

[torn ferry]

I was thinking of just getting a 3090 ti.

[fleet canopy]

Far more than enough time for it to be great software side

[torn ferry]

Or one of the 30 series cards, but unsure what to pick.

I have a 2080 at the moment.

[normal shale]

Hi there, im playing on my dads laptop and ould I be able to run the game on a Intel Core i5-1135G7, intel iris xe graphics and 8 gb ram? I dont mind if it looks pixilated, just wanna know if it would be playable?

[north elk]

yo

Reading the minimum requirements on the steam page (https://store.steampowered.com/app/493520/GTFO/) it seems like your PC can handle it

Steam

GTFO

Your team of prisoners is dropped into the Rundown when a new Work Order is issued by The Warden, the mysterious entity holding you captive. The Rundown is a series of expeditions, each one taking you deeper into a decayed research facility called The Complex. You descend level by level, scavenging tools and resources that help you survive in a...

Price

$26.79

Recommendations

34974

Metacritic

78

▶ Play video

But you'll be on lower graphics

[normal shale]

Awesome thanks

[north elk]

Np!

[normal shale]

Would you by any chance know what fps I could get?

[north elk]

Those requirements are there a for a reason, use them :)

Ah

That would be too specific

I couldn't tell you

[normal shale]

Ah

Well thank you for your time!

[north elk]

np

performance vary a lot between maps

[normal shale]

Ah ok cool

[dark ice]

map depends a lot on fps

or the other way around

like your computer explodes if you ever restart from a checkpoint on r7c3

[normal shale]

Luuul

Wel imma get it

Been watching a long time

And wanna die myself 🗿

[formal plume]

if theres a way for a user to break something, it will break

[fleet canopy]

To be fair I suppose a lot of new beginners started doing their first builds with it

That or they somehow didn't expect it to be actual effort to push it in like a lot of the previous cards

[torn bison]

NO! What would you pay for it where you are from? I really doubt it would be worth the money

[torn bison]

Only 40 series card actually worth the money is ironically the 4090

[misty wedge]

i'd honestly say wait till the 50 series, if you can and save up for it rather

[torn bison]

Nah you cannot be sure what will become of the 50 series, 4090 was the only good card and it launched at around 2k for the cheapest model in Europe, you can expect exactly the same for the 50 series or even more

[formal plume]

remember when we complained about the prices of the 30 series and also said "wait until 40 series"

[subtle flare]

• scalpers to high heaven

[fleet canopy]

lol

It's never really been a better time for a while

You'll be alright with waiting to buy a 4090

Especially since I think the scalper issue has been a non issue lately

[subtle flare]

It's cause chip prices went down

Nvidia also lowered prices for all GPUs before that too

Watch 50xx series cards come and more scalpers arise

Who knows, you'll just have to watch the market(s)

[fleet canopy]

I suppose

but just gonna be standard for all releases now since whenever RTX 2000 came out unfortunately

[torn bison]

But Scumvidia is also keeping the 4090 at msrp in Europe at just under 1.6k so price reduction is also an illusion

Still better than 4060/4060TI/4070/4080. All of them shit value and shit cards. All of them could have been good but no Shitvidia needed to nerf them so they fit in their shitty little power brackets of how good they want them to be, not how good they can be

[subtle flare]

Shit value, sure. Shit cards? Debatable depending on the card

Cards below starting at the 4070Ti start to get really spotty

4080 is alright, main complain was quite literally just price

[torn bison]

I mean yeah sorry, wording. The cards are not good for what you pay

Still power efficiency of the 4090 alone is just worlds above the rest of the 40 series. Either you spend the money for 4090, or you go AMD or 30 series for less money. Those are the smart decisions imo

[fleet canopy]

I mean, if not the 4090, you can just go with the 7900XTX especially with the recent performance boost update

Just about far more performance in raster for 1000$ than you'll get with the 4080

[torn bison]

Exactly what im saying

[misty wedge]

im in asia so the prices are relatively higher, and i think it also went up recently (but im not sure cuz i wasn't keeping up to date)

but yeah a lot of my friends are just saving up for when the 50 series drops, and that's just an option

[torn bison]

Somehow i doubt its going to be a successful launch for them but of course i hope the cards are good and not that expensive. But it seems unlikely especially since the first one they will launch will be the Titan again (5090)

[subtle flare]

False hopes, I’ll bet it’ll be hell of a card but it’s gonna be expensive still

Happened for 2 generations so far

Doesn’t help that in the US inflation is rising and chips got more expensive overall

[torn bison]

Yeah i dont expect it but i can still hope for those that dont want to throw their money away

[subtle flare]

These are big tech companies we are talking about. Prices will always probably be shit and you’ll have to pay it anyways in reality

They care about profits mainly

[torn bison]

Yeah because nvidia has no competition and amd is shitting the bed

[merry bay]

nvidia doesn't have competition in the top end, but for the rest amd is way better value

nvidia is putting minimal effort because of the focus on milking AI

[atomic mountain]

Me with the 4070ti. 😢
First PC, first card. I couldn't justify spending more than what I already did for the GPU.

[torn bison]

Yeah, 4060TI for example is really just a shit card. 3060TI but more expensive

[fleet canopy]

3060 TI but with the access to DLSS 3.0 stuff and perhaps better ray tracing which is either better, the same for the most part, or even worse due to the fact most of the specs are worse than the 3060 Ti

ah yes totally, a hundred megabytes of cache will be just enough to replace 500GB of VRAM, sure

[subtle flare]

I upgraded from the 10xx series cards, due upgrade time for me

[torn bison]

Yeah i love frame generation especially all the extra input lag it generates😂

[fleet canopy]

The only use for frame generation is singleplayer games with not a lot of quick input needed

But then again, graphically, it looks far more worse

So yeah

Frame generation is honestly just a big joke

Just make a better card instead of adding some dumb shit that can make more frames that aren't even rendered realisitcally

[torn bison]

If 50 series has a single 8gb card

They are officially mocking the unknowing consumer market

[fleet canopy]

5050 Ti 8GB

50% chances it'll actually be okay, 50% 99% chance it's bad

[rotund ledge]

Aint no way my mom just found my 2ds that I had lost for 7 years

[formal plume]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lion-king-lion-king-monkey-talking-rafiki-gif-17580008

[torn bison]

The days of 8gb vram being okay are gone, 16 shouldbe been the standard in the 30 series already

[fleet canopy]

I mean, 8GB is still alright

But tbf

Considering that they can actually make a 5060 that is more like a 5060 than a 3060, yeah, at this point make it 12 or 16GB

It's just the whole Intel and 4 cores maximum thing at this point

[torn bison]

8gb is not alright

Do you realise game developers are being bottlenecked by this?

[fleet canopy]

Not if you wanna get modern games and hopefully go graphics

Oh I did remember that

[torn bison]

They have to budget for this shit instead of making better looking game, just because nvidia forces 8gb on most consumers

[fleet canopy]

Apparently they just got tired of that and said fuck it, we'll just make the game and not give a shit about 8GB for the most partt

They should have just went and made games that couldn't realistically just be sufficeable with 8GB long ago

Could have helped to pressure NVIDIA to moving up on the amount long ago

[torn bison]

They already have

[torpid elbow]

4070 looks like a decent value to me as well, for me it is 4060ti and down which are just hilariously bad

but 4070 actually competes with the 6950xt and trades blows at the same price point

which is impressive bc 6000 radeon is usually the better deal

[formal plume]

a little funny thats what you think

probably think Garden of Ban Ban is optimized

"oh it runs on 40 series so it must be fine"

[torn bison]

What

are you waffling on about

[proper wren]

[formal plume]

this is the radio from that stupid game

count the number of polygons you see

and compare it to what is actually rendered

do you seriously think that polygon count is worth what the end result is

[subtle flare]

^ GTFO in a nutshell

Except instead of polygons it’s a bunch of shapes stacked on top of each other

[fleet canopy]

That's fucking wild

I wonder how many other asset this applies to

[abstract kite]

And the characters having like 500k polygons is worse

[fleet canopy]

High fidelity graphics

[abstract kite]

Bro
Everything looks like it was made by a 3 year old

💀

Besides
The game has actually killed and damaged some computers

[fleet canopy]

lol

[formal plume]

"we need more than 8GB of VRAM in budget cards!"

[fleet canopy]

I mean, in some understandable aspects, sure

Just 12GB and that should offer enough room

Surely they're not gonna make the 3060 Tiv3 again, I hope at least

[formal plume]

I mean yeah eventually would need more

like how for a Windows system, 8GB is the minimum for decent use

[torn bison]

Nvidia: 8 is enough now buy our overpriced cards!

[formal plume]

yeah adding more VRAM is only going to drive up the price

you know that right

nVIDIA isn't going to magically lower prices to "make it more fair"

[fleet canopy]

They never had a fair price after the 1080 Ti anyway

[formal plume]

it's like people saying iPhone should switch to USB-C so iPhones "can charge faster" or "transfer data faster"

no they are switching to USB-C now

but they can totally keep the same slow speeds and charging as before

it isn't a magic "oh I got you now mega corp" solution

granted I will enjoy seeing the iPhone 15 with USB-C so all chargers are finally the same shape

[torn bison]

Except the prices have absolutely no relation to cost anymore, they are just pricing and bottlenecking cards to fit into their desired tiers of card. Amd understood the importance of vram

Also vram is getting a lot cheaper so price really isnt an argument for them to

-not put in more or
-increase prices while putting in adecuate amounts

[subtle flare]

They might go wireless right?

It’s either they go USB C or they just go completely wireless for the iPhone

Honestly I don’t even know why this is a choice for Apple, everything else in their lineup (besides AirPods) uses USB C

[torn bison]

I think they have to provide usb C

[dry hollow]

apple doesn't want to do it because they make money on every lightning cable sold, the reason they don't want to switch to usb-c is greed

[subtle flare]

Not necessarily

Apple could just go completely wireless if they didn’t want to put in USB C

Albeit it would be very dumb

Kinda cool kinda not cool at the same time

[subtle flare]

Yea but it’s already done

Could be so easy

But no, we love proprietary things

[hybrid scarab]

hey i have a problem, for some reason gtfo is totally mute when i start the game. Other audio works fine. I cannot choose any audio device from within game settings as there are no options to do so

edit: I fixed it, sorry for disturbing! Just had to reconnect bluetooth earphones and then disconnect again while game was running

[placid sentinel]

bluetooth headphones while gaming are cancerous

suddenly windows does something in the background and "your headphones are now in headset mode, enjoy the 8khz mono audio from your game"

at worst u have to quit game and relaunch to gain "normal" quality again

[north elk]

Some manufacturors are just evil

Like bruh why does my bluetooth headset need a fucking dongle

I ALREADY HAVE BLUETOOTH

stop making your product reliant on me not losing a 1"x1" piece

Which isn't even usefull

[swift axle]

does the game run well on the steam deck?

[north elk]

What does the steam page say

https://store.steampowered.com/app/493520/GTFO/

The console is going to be an annoyance

[swift axle]

i meant desktop my bad

like does it crash often etc

[north elk]

Steam desktop?

You mean

Like regular PC?

Or like the VR thing

[swift axle]

well yea sorta you can use the deck in desktop mode which just boots up linux and then its a regular computer

idk if its powerful enough cus ive been hearing the game has optimisation issues

[north elk]

Ah steamOS

[swift axle]

ig yea

so like does it work well?

[north elk]

i'm pretty sure the plugged in mode is like

the exact same fucking thing

Unless steam page is wrong

That should be good

[swift axle]

ight

[north elk]

Plus you get 2h for refund tbf

Just gotta make sure you don't stay in game while looking for lobby in #lfg

[swift axle]

yea ik its just my game wasnt booting this morning even tough it was working just fine yesterday

just got it to work too

[north elk]

Ah

Did you post in #1049599987878723635 ?

[fleet canopy]

idk how well the steam deck would do with gtfo

But tbf most PCs won't really have a problem if they're like low playable/mid range I guess?

And by low playable, barely just enough to hit 60fps

It has ridiculously poor optimization in quite a handful of cases though

[swift axle]

did it just now

[formal plume]

thats old news
the EU already forced any big phone company to use USB-C or else they can't sell in the EU
which is why the iPhone 15 is going to have USB-C

also yeah, literally every other Apple product uses USB-C, pretty absurd it required laws getting put in place just for the iPhone to switch over

[formal plume]

would be interesting to see a fully wireless phone to begin with
surprised no Android manufacturer tried it yet

[subtle flare]

Ye ye

[formal plume]

but i think the Android boom died when LG phones died

Android only has folding screens going for it now

in terms of unique hardware

[fleet canopy]

There has been wireless charging phones

But honestly I don't see a good reason for it

Cable charging is so easy to have and carry around to any place that offers electricity

[north elk]

Android doesn't really need unique hardware tbh

A 250€ phone that does everything I need is nice

[fleet canopy]

Yeah, I don't care much for whatever extra software there is

It just has to have at least a charging port, headphone port, and runs well enough

[north elk]

Yeah

Spending 1.2k on a phone because it "takes good pictures" is insane

I'm not playing fortnite on my phone

Just buy a cheap phone and buy a separate, better quality camera, lmao

[fleet canopy]

Yeah that's pretty much why cameras exists

Though depending on how new your phone is, it should be far more than sufficient to offer high quality images

[torpid elbow]

I like having a good phone

I spend money on phone cameras not because it’s great value compared to getting a dedicated camera (which I have btw) but because I appreciate just having a swiss army knife of tech with me

[bright shard]

My 6 year old phone kinda slow, want to upgrade to something with octacore

[north elk]

paying 700€ more to post to onlyfan isn't a great return to investment

and it's not like I go on trips and wanna take 16000x9000 pics

[fleet canopy]

Damn, someone getting an octacore, I heard this one guy who was bragging about getting a hexacore but that sounds so small

[bright shard]

Keep in mind these phone processors cores are generally cut down ecores, on top of being mobile processors. If your phone cost more than 300 usd and you didn't get 8, you either got a very fancy 6 core, or you got ripped off

All i want is to open a web page and not want it to chug and choke on Javascript abominations

Fuck web 2.0

My dinky tablet was 150$ and it has an 8core

Works well for aniyomi/tachiyomi/newpipe

[north elk]

This has strong "this is a fucking website" vibes

[formal plume]

AND THE SKY IS BLUE

the question I asked, to make it more clear, "a portless phone"

eSIM exists, wireless charging exists, NFC, and bluetooth

so it's entirely possible

but no one has done it yet

[fleet canopy]

It probably wouldn't sell that well

[formal plume]

this is probably the most based take I've seen

though the main issue with cheap phones, is that the CPU can be cheap

which affects general use

but yeah all of these people going "omg this Samsung S23U takes the best photos ever"

meanwhile it's like

get an actual camera if you want good photos

it's cheap to get a 1 inch sensor

and it's already leagues ahead of a smartphone camera

Sony only just broke into the 1/2 inch size for smartphones

and that phone, the Xperia 1 V, costs at least $1400

[torn bison]

Actually, modern phones are so good that in certain situations they are the best tools for the job in terms of fotography/videography

For a decent camery body you start at like 1k, when you buy all the lenses you need you go far beyond that. Phone is very good

Good camera is worth it if its youe profession or you like taking photos so much that you think its worth it (in which case you should try to monetize anyway)

Some lenses i use are over 2k€, thats a single lens without body, i think its clear that a phone that takes pictures but also works as a phone is more worth it

[north elk]

Huh

[formal plume]

does this guy think filming a movie is done on an S23 Ultra that James Cameron pulled out of his sweaty pocket

[fleet canopy]

smh what do you think? Obviously it was

It clearly has the best camera and rivals even the best of dedicated studio cameras

[torn bison]

I didnt say that...

[formal plume]

been asking around and apparently if you have a recent flagship

its kinda true

unless you need that professional aspect, a Pixel 7, S23, iPhone 13/14, or Xperia 1 V, is good enough for most people

also that smartphones dominate the sub $2000 market for cameras

[fleet canopy]

lol

Truly

[formal plume]

dedicated cameras are better but only if you have the skill and time

or just need that $5000+ camera quality

also just like, remember to clean your smartphone camera lens before taking a picture

[north elk]

Keeping my fingers off the lens truly is a challenge

[torn bison]

Yeah im not lying to you

Good phones are perfectly good cameras for amateurs

[north elk]

who the fuck reacted to my message

[bright shard]

It was maggie

[north elk]

Who is Maggie

[grave moth]

maggie

[tough zealot]

Maggie is maggie

[north elk]

[fleet canopy]

Hm.

[queen void]

Hmmm

A friend of mine

Tried downloading the game and got the “your pc dont meet the requirements for this game”

[elfin mountain]

Is anyone really knowledgeable about building computers? I just put my new computer that I had built recently into a new case and now one of my hard drives is locked somehow, the boot drive, if anyone can help me please message me directly

If anyone sees this or can help message me directly

[north elk]

LMAO

Deserved

[placid sentinel]

windows? did u change motherboard? tpm module comes to mind..

[elfin mountain]

I figured it out, I'm good

[placid sentinel]

.. windows install disk, google bcdedit... ah good nth 🙂

[north elk]

We kinda curious now

[formal plume]

the tale as old as time

you browse many a web forum, seeking answers, many questions

countless time spent, your fingers ache from the scrolling

your mind drowsy

you perk up, finally the answer is given

laying your sore eyes across the screen, reading the text; "nvm I figured it out myself"

[north elk]

I never felt so attacked by one of your messages

[grave moth]

mama mia

[rotund ledge]

I feel this on an existencial level

[north elk]

Yes

[sweet bone]

anyone that's worked in IT for any lenght of time knows this pain.

[torpid elbow]

hehe I broke my cpu cooler today

[bright shard]

Tfw when i move my pc long distance, cpu cooler and gpu are coming out

[placid sentinel]

upgrade bios - remember running 3200mhz dram - set it so - bluescreen twice mid-game - back to auto 🙂

[lunar vector]

what do you mean "locked"?>

[elfin mountain]

i put the parts into a new case, forgot to put power to boot drive ssd, the screen was telling me that drive was locked, but it wasnt even recognizing the drive. i gave it power and unplugged all the other drives and its all good now

[torpid elbow]

right but I was just replacing my cpu

and I dun goofed up

new one was overheating so I decided to remount the cooler tighter

bad idea

broke the screws

now it’s not making contact anymore so I guess that’s an aio dead

[north elk]

oh yikes

[grave moth]

fr

[torpid elbow]

got a new one

everything is up and running again

[grave moth]

[formal plume]

THE GOOD ENDING

HE REPLIED

[wide trail]

Oooo tech support

How may I help you

My name is Hamid, I have only been here for a short distance

[tough zealot]

Hey Hamid, so my friend is selling me his pc but it has an overheating issue, what should i do to fix it?

[wide trail]

https://tenor.com/view/beavis-i-understand-your-frustration-beavis-and-butthead-tech-support-call-center-gif-11747019

[wide trail]

Is it a closed loop watercooler or an air cooler?

[tough zealot]

Air cooled

[wide trail]

Then question two would be how many fans does it have and do they have clearance from cables or possible hard drives?

[wide trail]

Happen to know which one?

[tough zealot]

I can do my best to get photos of it

[fleet canopy]

I mean

Maybe gpu is overheating

[subtle flare]

Pretty sure that cables “in front” (subjectively) that affect airflow was debunked quite a while ago

[fleet canopy]

If GPU overheat, maybe need clean and repaste with Mayroonaise™️

If CPU is overhead maybe need clean and repaste with Mayroonaise™️

[wide trail]

There's a fair bit you can do to resolve overheating of the CPU, like repasting the cpu with new cooling paste, a pea sized dot spread over it would suffice already

[tough zealot]

you sending me some if i get the sponsorship deal?

[fleet canopy]

If both are fine, maybe Dusty is in your case

[wide trail]

Cable blockage of airflow is most definitely an influence of temp increase

[tough zealot]

got it got it

[fleet canopy]

I don't think cables can make a big difference in how it performs

[tough zealot]

i wouldnt doubt they effect it, but not as much as paste would

[wide trail]

Have you seen some people's cable management?

Trust me, it can

[fleet canopy]

Apparently that isn't sufficable anymore, two lines of paste and spreading it evenly on the whole CPU works far better than a pea blob and pressure

Likely due to size increase over the generations of CPUs maybe

[wide trail]

But I said spread out over the cpu die

[fleet canopy]

o alright

[wide trail]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-popcorn-watching-movie-time-serious-focused-gif-16842872

[fleet canopy]

beautiful eyes

[wide trail]

Best to diagnose which component is overheating by checking it with speccy, in case it's an amd processor you gotta get the amd master utility program but speccy shows Intel cpu and whatever GPU Temps.

[fleet canopy]

could also get msi afterburner and turn on the gpu and cpu temps and play a game or use stress test to figure out what it is

[dry hollow]

Pea blob is fine for am4-am5 but for Intel 12-13 gen the CPU's are too big for that

[bright shard]

I typically do the cellotape masking and spread with plastic wrapped finger

Then smooth with plastic card

Basically oem preapplied paste quality

Works well

Consistent.

[subtle flare]

Me with a graphite pad

[formal plume]

how good are they? I don't see people using them all that much

[subtle flare]

Great, less messy when swapping AIOs and shit, very flexible for any CPU, has minor performance gains over typical paste

Reusable and has better longevity

[dry hollow]

Kinda want to get one for my server so I don't need to worry about repasting it

[subtle flare]

I 1000% recommend

[torpid elbow]

what is overheating?

as in

what component

am5 cpu check reddit for cooler compatibility. AM4 coolers fit in the backplate holes but because of the move from PGA to LGA, the AM5 cpu’s are actually “lower” and may not make proper contact with your cooler depending on the bracket provided

I had this issue with my nzxt coolers. They sell AM5 brackets now

the AM4 brackets don’t put enough mounting pressure on the cpu to transfer heat correctly, or, in nzxt’s case, may even cause your cooler contact plate to hover above the CPU. I had 80c in BIOS

[torpid elbow]

odds are if your screws/brackets stop your cooler from going down without feeling gradually more resistance on the screws before that, your cool plate is not touching the CPU and you WILL overheat

[idle sphinx]

Not looking for advice but I just fixed my pc and I’m very happy about it

[fleet canopy]

A byte

[placid sentinel]

geforce 'x

[fleet canopy]

A little bit of E

But we can remove that

Force'x

[placid sentinel]

must feel good to have the rig power up and shines and goes brrrr as it should. cool stuff.

[idle sphinx]

It’s quiet but not silent which is perfect

the fans make a lovely mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[formal plume]

needs more X

[calm parcel]

someone with 3060?

[placid sentinel]

ye

[idle sphinx]

I’ve got a 3060

[torpid elbow]

adjust your fan curves :o

mine just sounds like coil whine (it’s very quiet but the mic tunes it up)

[idle sphinx]

nah I like the noise

[calm parcel]

my bro

[grave moth]

I have a wack Chinese gpu

[bright shard]

meat computer

[grave moth]

meat computer indeed'

i run it out of my motherboard box (real)

[formal plume]

IShowMeat

[fleet canopy]

omg yes!1

[viscid prism]

Yo, i got some big issues going on here with my new pc. Can anybody help me? Google cant help me either

CPU red light.

Once I was building that pc, i Had an similar issue. The RAM stick which was plugged into the 4th slot, caused my pc to not boot. Switching the slots didnt help, only running my computer with the left stick was working. I gave them back, got the same product but new ram sticks. Now i was using it again for a couple of days. Maybe a week or two. Now i probably have the same issue again. Red light cpu. For some reason, resetting my BIOS a few times was working the last time with the old sticks. But comeon, do I have to reset the bios every like 2 weeks for like 6 Times in a row?🥲

Specs:
X670e-plus WiFi
Amd ryzen 9 7900x3d
Rtx 4070ti
G Skill 6400mhz 32gb Trident Z5

For some reason my keyboard is lightning and powered too, it doesnt do it usualy when i have my pc turrned off. It just is like as my pc would be fully booted

[placid sentinel]

many motherboards have a "charge from usb port" setting, keeps mouses and keyboards lit

[viscid prism]

But why the heck is it lightning, when my pc is turned off. Usualy when my pc was working completly fine, my keyboard wasnt lightning once my pc was turned off

Like, it suddenly stops working the next day i wanna boot it 🥲

[merry bay]

i've had that happen when unplugging and replugging my PC power supply or after recovering from a circuit breaker pop. The LED stuff

[viscid prism]

First, my cpu is orange, then red.

I have an updated BIOS, no beta Version. Rams are correctly sticked into the right spots.

[merry bay]

potential things that come to mind:
mounting pressure getting variations because of heat, sometimes just right, but always on the line of not being correct

bios version being old, overall stability likely improved

memory controller on CPU not the best, try keeping RAM at 6000 speed

[subtle flare]

Has AMD fixed voltage issues with memory controller and ram on X3D chips?

If not that may be what's causing the issue

[viscid prism]

Yea, my mb only supports 6400 and my rams are working on 6400 too. Idk how to make it more down tho. Specialy when i cant boot my pc

[merry bay]

what kind of voltage issues? the catastrophic failure thing seemed resolved with bios updates

[subtle flare]

Did it? Then nvm

[merry bay]

at least the failures stopped popping up

[subtle flare]

I just recall something about voltage and CPU with new X3D fucked up

It fucked up my non-X3D chip as well

[viscid prism]

Hmm 😕

[merry bay]

yeah, even GN felt confident enough to call it "resolved"
there's some suspicions that it could still impact CPU lifespans without a failure but hardly any evidence for now

[subtle flare]

In the bios there should be a setting to set your memory speed to 6000

I have an MSI X670 Ace

So it exists

Try it

[merry bay]

resetting bios not doing the trick anymore?

[viscid prism]

I cant boot my pc

[subtle flare]

You can't even access the bios?

[viscid prism]

Nope

[subtle flare]

Damn

[viscid prism]

Yep

[merry bay]

Remount your CPU cooler

[viscid prism]

Fully black screen stuck

Tried

Not working

The screws are fine

Im using all in one water cooling tho

[merry bay]

kinda low on simple things to try, if you think you can be careful I'd take out the CPU and inspect for bent pins

[viscid prism]

Cant i remove the one ram stick and then go into BIOS?

[viscid prism]

No, im highly sure the bent are fine

[merry bay]

you need at least one stick of RAM

[viscid prism]

Haha piece of Shit pc

[placid sentinel]

if u psu full off / on power reset, no beeps on power-on?

[viscid prism]

One ram stick works again

[placid sentinel]

ahh nth

[viscid prism]

Huh?

It doesnt work still, nvm

[placid sentinel]

usually "bricked" pc beeps a few times if there's a no display problem

[viscid prism]

But white light on vga?

What

Now

Reboot helped

[placid sentinel]

i'd go by https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1046157 once it starts acting up

[viscid prism]

It gets weirder and weirder...

Display Port sign was there, but no mb logo popped Up

[placid sentinel]

i'm suspecting the power supply, fails to deliver volts/amps under load

had a psu that was fine for days, hours, then later stages, just minutes.. load it a bit and boom gpu shut off

[subtle flare]

@viscid prism What PSU are you running?