pc-build-help-and-tech-talk

[sharp bough]

You can flip through each setting an see the fps impact from ultra to low and find a spot that gives least amnt of visual hit for fps

[whole depot]

Theres cpu cycle setting idk what that do

[sharp bough]

You should be able to get 4k 120 with optimized settings tbh

Unless its like cyberpunk then you need dlss

[fleet canopy]

Someone else could answer that one but from what I understood as I was told was that low cpu cull means it lets your card do more work, and the higher cpu cull makes the cpu do more

[sharp bough]

Its not like consoles have actually used 1600p not 4k

[fleet canopy]

But frankly I saw absolutely no difference lol

[whole depot]

Temperature looks ok. CPU at 25c and gpu at 65c when playing gtfo

[sharp bough]

Yeah thats more than low enough

You dont really start affecting the life of your chips until mid 70c

[fleet canopy]

I should repaste my CPU but idk can't be bothered if it just does about 60c

[sharp bough]

60c is good tho

[fleet canopy]

Also I don't think so, at 70c it's fine too, it's just when reaching 80+

[sharp bough]

My rule of thumb anything below 75c is good

[whole depot]

I think I will tweak setting first befote buying 4090

[fleet canopy]

I've had my card just run 80-82c and it does perfectly fine

[sharp bough]

As long your below 90c its safe but it might shorten the life span of the chips

[sharp bough]

Yeah its the changing in temp that kills your parts actually

[fleet canopy]

I repasted it of course cause that bitch just made me get annoyed as hell

[sharp bough]

If it stayed at 80c most the time it be fine tbh

[whole depot]

Hwinfo says anytiing above 83c and will throttle

[fleet canopy]

yeah but damn it wanted to scream constantly

[sharp bough]

You can set it to throttle at 90c or higher

But yeah i wouldnt want my stuff to go above 85c anways

[sharp bough]

Makes sense

[formal plume]

turning down shadow texture resolution helps a lot for FPS

[whole depot]

Ok thanks i will try that

I hope they will add DLSS support some day

[formal plume]

I think it was shadow resolution, theres two shadow settings, one of them is a performance tanker

[sharp bough]

Yeah a rtx 4090 should handle 4k 120 with out dlss

Just optimize the settings

Unless the game itself isnt well optimized

[subtle flare]

I have a 4090 and I can run up to 400 FPS on GTFO

On R3 tiles it ranges 120-200

This is on 1440p

3440x1440

But the game itself is really bad in terms of optimization

Other games you achieve stable frames and you can try with this game but it’s fucked

GPU utilization is all over the place and everything is wonky

[fleet canopy]

Yeah, performance really just has no stability when it comes to comparing one PC to another

Just use other games as a reference for performance instead cause it's never really been consistent or stable since release

[subtle flare]

Facts yea ^

[tall forum]

4090 gets 60+ degree when running at 4k, while playing Apex can run with less than 60 at 4k with "insane" graphic settings :/

[subtle flare]

That’s also dependent on your cooler and case configuration

I get 45 degrees in Cyberpunk and GTFO

[abstract kite]

Turns out razer blade 2022 bricks have been dying, it only gives enough power to charge, but not high performance modes

Is what I'm thinking

Synapse warns me to use a proprietary psu and I think its gone insane because its literally the same one lol

Im just gonna contact em for a new brick

[gray wedge]

I've never had that problem so that field is kinda new to me

I'd say get a new one and switch it out

[abstract kite]

Basically I get 30-40 with top of the line specs

Im replying to very old responses

[gray wedge]

and if the problem stays than maybe try returning it and doing more troubleshooting

30-40 isn't horrible but should def be higher

[abstract kite]

With a 3080 and 32g without a doubt

[formal plume]

Razer laptops always seem to manage to break something about power components

[shut shard]

Ya all think 5k is too much for a pc?

Well technically only 4.5 k

The specs without the monitor it would cost 4.5 k

[fleet canopy]

@shut shard I think I'm seeing addresses lol

[bright shard]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[shut shard]

Where

[fleet canopy]

I guess that's like from a retailer?

Cause if not, then that's some random guy's addresses or yours idk lol

[formal plume]

doxxed!!! doxx the furry

[fleet canopy]

!!!!

[shut shard]

You can ignore that

Doesnt mean anything

[fleet canopy]

Oh alr then

[bright shard]

Its fine, Germany isnt real

[shut shard]

*austria

[fleet canopy]

That's basically germany

Doesn't exist

[shut shard]

[bright shard]

Sorry, Austria isn't real

[shut shard]

Anyways 5k too much?

[formal plume]

I think you mean Germany

idk it's your money not mine

[shut shard]

Cause i have the money ez but still i think i can save a few bucks here and there

[bright shard]

Probably depends on how hard it is to get a 4090 in Europe

[shut shard]

Not really hard

Just expensive 4090 is 1.9k

4080 1.5

[formal plume]

ah so the GPU is half the cost

😂

[fleet canopy]

is it like someone selling it or are you buying it off a retailer?

[formal plume]

yes

[bright shard]

Personally, id get a grey market windows key for 20$

[fleet canopy]

[shut shard]

Was thinking about that too

[shut shard]

Its a local store

Also 5 years warranty

[bright shard]

Probably would also tell ms365 to get stuffed

[fleet canopy]

I mean you could compare it to what you'd find online for each individual part and see the total I suppose

[shut shard]

Online it would cost me 4k

But that warranty ngl i somewhat dont wanna risk it buying it online only for it to be shipped faulty

[fleet canopy]

1k is 1k

Unless you are referring to some being used

[bright shard]

Is potentially having to reship worth 1k to you?

[shut shard]

Worst case if the 4090 breaks within a week (had that happen with my current 1070) i would have to buy a new one if i buy it online which means 1.9 k down the ditch so yeah a warranty for 5years for 1k is worth to me

[fleet canopy]

don't they come with warranty either way?

[shut shard]

https://geizhals.at/?cat=WL-3054744 not from this place

[fleet canopy]

Oh I see

[formal plume]

lmao

paying a whole grand just for warranty

[bright shard]

All this to avoid building a pc.

The case is probably monkeywater anyway

[shut shard]

The 4090 is 390 mm

The case interior is 400 mm wide

[formal plume]

"does he know?"

[bright shard]

I know nothing, proven by example.

[shut shard]

If i can find a case thats ceaper and can house that thing i will go for it guess i need to dig in a bit more

[formal plume]

dude gonna melt his 4090

[sharp bough]

I wouldnt even want a 4090 id be scared it be too big or melt xD

[fleet canopy]

Eh I don't think you'd have to worry about it melting

Long as you have a good case with good airflow, which is easy to have, it'll be at a good temperature anyway

[sharp bough]

I seen it melt tons a cables a lot more than normal

[fleet canopy]

That's just user error

Not plugged in all the way or something iirc

And having it have a tight bend too is problematic

[sharp bough]

Fr might just go amd if I want to upgrade

[fleet canopy]

I mean I think they're still alright price to performance anyway?

[sharp bough]

RX 7900 XTX isnt my cup of tea but yeah its like $800 or somethin where I live

[fleet canopy]

That's not bad

[hard widget]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/333LTCYQz1wnIhfu6wX2Yy?si=747f810522e94f48

[formal plume]

dealing with a person who thinks only case size matters

[subtle flare]

Anyone see FPS drops when ALT://R3 dropped?

[sharp bough]

Maybe if you have an air cooled rtx 4090 but like rx 7900 xt or even rtx 3080 should fit into almost every atx case no?

[formal plume]

...we are dealing with an air cooled RTX 4090

[fleet canopy]

The reference model 4090 that NVIDIA has is really really good for air cooling

It still maintains a lovely 60c on average with a good airflow case last I heard

Big beefy bitch of a card but still

And if you prefer watercooling, the custom watercooling stuff for the 4090 makes the size of reference 4090 a laughingstock lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZEfTVrhHs4

[formal plume]

I guess it shows the power of water cooling ngl

similar to this hilarious video where the dude just slaps hundreds of dollars of copper onto a PS5

https://youtu.be/he6xyl_MHXY

[jade ermine]

4090 draws less power in gtfo than my old 3080

[tall forum]

35 degree in 1080p lol

[fleet canopy]

Thanks AMD

Crappy tightening on their board makes for some fun

Got it unstuck from cooler so now I must straighten it and hope to not break

[jade ermine]

did you forget twist and pull method

[fleet canopy]

I suppose I should twist and pull

But also at the same time, why did AMD think it shouldn't need the metal piece like intel did?

[fleet canopy]

Actually I couldn't really do that

I'm using the cooler that comes with the CPU so I couldn't really just twist it with the stupid hook thing being there

[twilit crow]

I've bent my pins in the past too, just take it easy and use consistent pressure, should bend back fine.

[merry fiber]

For memory I’m looking at Samsung 980 pro or the samsung 990 pro. Is the 990 overkill?

[bright shard]

https://hothardware.com/news/samsung-990-pro-ssd-users-report-drop-drive-endurance

[bright shard]

personally i bought this
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-GM7000-NVMe-Gaming/dp/B09F5W62N8/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2AY92CK0M211H&keywords=gm7000&qid=1678766573&s=electronics&sprefix=gm7000%2Celectronics%2C98&sr=1-2&th=1

[fleet canopy]

I mean they're already pretty damn quick at this point

Unless you have some reason other than gaming to warrant having a faster drive

[formal plume]

yeah if anything your RAM and CPU are bottlenecks

[merry fiber]

[pine cobalt]

tbh if you don't mind waiting you can probably just return it for a new one

[fleet canopy]

@merry fiber https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cy_BgJM7R58

Here's something about the 980/990 lifespan issue

[merry fiber]

[wild gull]

me: crucial

[cosmic prairie]

So my PC has been at the repair shop for over a few weeks now and yesterday I get a call saying “hey we managed to screw something up” and I dread the worst and asked what they did ||Turned out that the DDR4 ram that was payed for and they bought DDR5 instead, but then they tell me it was a motherboard who took DDR5 ram… so I managed to get DDR5 for the price of DDR4 as it was their muck up.|| ||So end result I got 2 DDR5 32Gb sticks of RAM for the price of DDR4, I managed to get £150 out of their screw up.||

[wild gull]

based

[tall forum]

bought it 2 months ago

[wild gull]

good

[merry bay]

vs 2.2 years powered on and abused

hope the 980/990 PRO owners got that specific firmware version that's said to be ok

or even tried applying for the warranty, sure it's a recognized issue by now

[tall forum]

One day later...

[subtle flare]

Yea… any other SSD besides the 990 would’ve been better

[fleet canopy]

I have no idea what anyone would truly need it for, and gaming doesn't get a pass

Maybe they did optimize stuff for m.2 drives now, I have no idea

But as far as I know, they basically are equivalent

[subtle flare]

990’s great if it didn’t have a dying problem issue

Samsung drives have been pretty reliable up till this point

I was hoping to spot MSI’s Gen 5 SSD’s but they didn’t come out

So I just stuck with Corsair’s Gen 4 SSD

[terse berry]

i'd honestly recommend wd black ssd's they make some good shit

[formal plume]

yeah they got the crown then slouched it off

[sharp bough]

Sad cuz its the firmware the 990 is amazing

The ssd itself isnt that bad

[hidden bobcat]

Hi, this is a good PC for Music Production? : https://www.pccomponentes.com/configurador/DcA7135d4

[bright shard]

seems reasonable, but personally i would go with 32 gb ram

[hidden bobcat]

thanks!

i will updrage in the soon future

[frank belfry]

Does anyone have a non-bios way to fix a dxgi hung/reset error?

[compact jacinth]

I’m trying to figure out how to connect my pc cases fans to the power supply and motherboard itself for the first time. Does anyone know what and where does this go to?

[rotund ledge]

This PWM connection goes onto a PWM header on your motherboard

[bright shard]

You should basically always have the motherboard connector diagram open and bookmarked with literally anything when plugging stuff in.

Some of the usb ones can go in backwards and break.

[north elk]

wha-

Don't your connectors have a big of plastic protruding from one side so you can't actually plug in backward?

You just need to, like, not try to insert a pin into solid plastic

[bright shard]

you'd be surprised of the shit ive seen

[north elk]

I am already surprised

I can laugh at the stupidity, but I also can do nothing but respect the cheer determination and commitment

that connector is getting plugged in one way or another

[sullen basin]

Soo what do I do if my SSD drive proceeds too say it's full yet I've just cleansed my computer off all non hardware related software from said SSD.(ie absolutely nothing on the computer still says full) .Took it to the shop paid 100$ to fix it I refuse to do so again.any ideas?

[bright shard]

Sounds like the ssd is failing.

[sudden mauve]

Help

[merry bay]

hard to be helpful if you're not specific

all that's visible is that the keycap goes in the R key slot

[bright shard]

what specifically about the keycap is bothering you?
is it that the connector is loose?

[sudden mauve]

I broke the peg off and everything

[sudden mauve]

Switches are soldered into the board and I'm not going down that road again

Been hard on the R

[formal plume]

dude took the hard R literally

[bright shard]

your options are soldering, trying to glue the cross back on, then removing the cap, replacing the switch, then placing the r back.

if the peg is inside the keycap solidly, i'd either drill it out with a very fine drill, then gluing a paperclip to whats left in there, and pulling it out.

or buying a keycap set and keyswitch

you are looking at what is called, a royal pain in the ass.

[sudden mauve]

Indeed. I've already soldered so many of the switches together because I ruined the board. It's just time to throw this one out

[bright shard]

my advice is buy a keyboard with hotswap

[sudden mauve]

I bought the new claymore. I won't spill liquor on this one

[pine void]

What’s a good temp for a gpu while playing gtfo ?

[formal plume]

something that isn't above 90c

[bright shard]

Something not above 85

[fleet canopy]

Something not above 80

[pine void]

So 37-40c is good then ?

[rotund ledge]

Depends on whether you are on a laptop, a gaming pc, what gpu it is, what's the ambient temp

There are a lot of variables that determin what temp your gpu reaches

[pine void]

It’s a pc and Gpu is a geforce 3060 asus tuf and ambient is around 20c ish

[rotund ledge]

If it goes above 83 thats not normal, so anything under that won't reduce the lifespan of your gpu

I have a 3070 that's water cooled and it never goes above 60°c at max clock speed, in gtfo

[empty juniper]

i mean as long as the case isnt melting, you should be good

[bright shard]

Thats practically idle temp in Texas

[pine void]

I live in Canada so we only get 2 months of summer then it gets cold again

[pine void]

Is it really that hot in Texas ?

[empty juniper]

yes

[bright shard]

For comparison
Ct is 5c
Texas is 25c

To get comparable idle temps, you need to run both the pc fans and your AC relatively hard

@pine void

[pine void]

I feel sorry for you guys that’s way too hot

I like the -50c much better

[bright shard]

My hands stop moving in -25c wearing gloves

[pine void]

Just a skill issue

[bright shard]

Truly

[empty juniper]

bro is made of ice

[fleet canopy]

canadians fr are ice people

[grim trench]

My idle temp always be 90°

I just run my fans at 100% while also playing inside of a vulcano.

Volcano.

[bright shard]

tfw whole pc is liquid metal

[grim trench]

You telling me you don't liquid cool your PCs with liquid iron?

[empty juniper]

i do mine with gamer girl juices

[upper dove]

what you mining for? Bit coin?

[empty juniper]

nah im trying to see if my 5 gallons of gamer girl juices can make my city smell like fish

and also decided to have a water cooled pc

that smells like fish

[bright shard]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-fish-funny-spin-gif-23261846

[empty juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-slap-w2s-slap-funny-sidemen-gif-20599048

[formal plume]

what did I just read

[fleet canopy]

Don't know

[empty juniper]

something i give god as a challenge becuase he is all knowwig

[abstract kite]

So what's everyone's thought on the upcoming Frameworks Laptop 16?

[rotund ledge]

My get one when I change my laptop, if the price is reasonable

The swapable gpu bay is really nice

[bright shard]

unfathomably based

if i needed a laptop, its what i'd buy

[formal plume]

Framework needs to get their shit together

removal of 3.5mm jack into a module? what is this? 1984?
these are some real Apple moves and goes against the pro-repair stance this company has had since launch
I can't believe my first born was going to touch one of these hypocritical laptops

[bright shard]

i agree that they should be standard

but, at the end of the day, its a seamless module.

if anything it should both be a module and standard.

headphone jacks can wear out

if anything it gives you the opportunity to swap out to a 6.35mm jack tbh.

im conflicted on it.

[formal plume]

I was going to raise my first born on 3.5mm jacks and Framework has taken that opportunity away from my family

[bright shard]

are you going to shitpost all night, or are you going to make a point?

[formal plume]

I wish I was joking but the outrage I've seen over making the 3.5mm a module is stupidly hilarious

it's not like it's removed or anything, just a module that in the future third parties can make

[bright shard]

at the end of the day, arent they just usb-c dongles?

realistically, i'd like for them to be pcie, but it kinda does not matter.

[formal plume]

I've actually seen people recommend Apple's USB-C DAC adapter over stock 3.5mm because of how shit some onboard DACs can be

is something I should try out for myself and get one from Apple to see if this is actually true

[dry hollow]

Honestly support the move to making the 3.5mm jack a module. The cable in the 13in is extremely tiny and fragile, I had to recheck the connection to get my audio working again.
With the module you don't need to worry about the cable and if the jack breaks it's far easier to replace

My guess is they had a lot of reports from people with broken/damaged cables from replacing the main board so this was the solution

[bright shard]

Im just putting it out there. These are basically usbc gen 3.2-2s, the modules definitely could be 2-3 audio ports rather than just one.

I hope a 3rd party vendor does something like that

[formal plume]

that's where some criticism comes in
Framework doesn't allow third party for the moment

"in the future"

[vast harness]

Honestly, I'm really excited to see how they handle that module. I only see two outcomes out of it.

1. It is a great dac, similar or better to the apple dongle.
2. It is dogshit, just like the average laptop's dac

Pretty obvious what are the consequences of each

[vocal lion]

That does leave the 3rd party dongles to shine (in the future of course) to have better dacs and whatnot

[sacred terrace]

Hey I am encountering an issue with the AMD Radeon Driver for my RX 7900 XTX. My driver keeps crashing after playing the game for 2 minutes or very rarely holds up for up to 10.
Has anyone else encountered this issue and was able to fix it?
I only have this issue with this specific game and no others.
I´ve tried:
Reinstalling the driver
Several Bios settings
Updating drivers, chipset, etc
Turning off all additional settings on the driver

Any help would be appreciated. I´ve went through several forums and websites to try to find a solution, but nothing helped.

[empty juniper]

my at home computer is not working whenever i boot it up

when i turn it on i am hit with a black screen that runs a bot to search threw all my drives, then once its done i am told that the operating system wasn't found. ive already had this problem in the past and had some professionals look at it. they said it had to do with mixed matched ram but idk. any diagnosis or probable solutions would be would help alot.

[subtle flare]

Did you buy 2 different ram kits???

Rule of thumb is to never do that

What kind of drives do you have?

[empty juniper]

Its a pre built

[subtle flare]

What kind of fuckery is this company doing lmao

@empty juniper Do you have any data that you really need in those drives?

[empty juniper]

no

[subtle flare]

I’d just reinstall windows then

Using a boot drive via USB stick

Wipe both drives and reset BIOS

[empty juniper]

kk thank you

[empty juniper]

if i were to take out the ram sticks that are from a diff brand would i be f*cking the comuter up? or is it safe

[proper wren]

[empty juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-meme-gif-26066037

me and my 1050 ti

[subtle flare]

If you have 1 8 gb stick from one company and another from a different company, you should definitely take it out

But if it’s 2 8 gb sticks from 1 company, or 1 stick of 16 gb, then it’s fine

You just don’t want to be mix and matching different ram kits due to incompatibility

[empty juniper]

4 sticks of 4gb ram

[subtle flare]

All from the same kit?

[empty juniper]

no

2 and 2

2 r turqoust and 2 r blue

[subtle flare]

Can you send a picture by chance?

[empty juniper]

im at school rn

[subtle flare]

Do it later

[empty juniper]

kk

[subtle flare]

Cause we probably need to take out 2 sticks then move another

Need to see the board tho

[stark rain]

I recall different ram kits working together so long as you're not overclocking the slower stick to the faster one. Instability from different models of ram together is rare

[subtle flare]

He reinstalled windows

[idle sphinx]

gimme one

Best I can do is 20 doler

[proper wren]

waiting for another waifu card to come in

[fleet canopy]

Hm.

[proper wren]

Realization Poddy leaked RTX 4070s before CS2

But then the verge leaks it anyways

[fleet canopy]

NVIDIA leaked it anyway smh

[proper wren]

Darn I had these cards since Mid March

the performance is meh to 4070ti

[fleet canopy]

But price?

also heard that 7800x3d went from 450$ to scalped 1k

[proper wren]

Nvidia marketing team hasn't say

[fleet canopy]

people still haven't learned ig

[proper wren]

We got sold out within 2 days

[fleet canopy]

Amazing

[proper wren]

My location is the first to receive

$599 CAD is hard to beat

[subtle flare]

I was thinking of getting an X3D and really realized I didn’t really need it

Maybe with X3D the 7950x will drop in price and I’ll pick one up

[fleet canopy]

It def is something I'd get I guess

people disappoint me with the scalping practices though

[rotund ledge]

If you wanna save a buck or don't really need the extra core, the 7800X3D has practically the same or better performance than the 7950X3D at a lower cost and TDP.
Source: Linus's 7800X3D review

[subtle flare]

X3D is just based

Yes I want the extra frames

But do I sacrifice stability?

Besides, I do more workload things anyway

So 7950x should be fine

[rotund ledge]

Ye

[subtle flare]

If I were to get an X3D chip I rather have more cores

7950X3D is mneh

Especially at the landing price tag

[rotund ledge]

Yeah switching to AM5 is $$$

[subtle flare]

I am already running an AM5

The chip itself is priced ass

[rotund ledge]

Whatchu got rn?

[subtle flare]

7900X

[rotund ledge]

No need to upgrade imo. Already baller enough lol

[subtle flare]

Eh I want more cores and higher clock frequency

Might speed up video editing and stuff like that

[fleet canopy]

yeah

basically worthless for anything outside of games I guess

least it doesn't have to deal with extra cores as an issue when using the 7950x3d and maybe the 7900x3d as well?

[bright shard]

7900x3d sucks because windows/microsoft are garbage

you have no real mechanism to make specific loads prefer the chips with the vcache

so any parallelization you would want to benefit from cache becomes a

"just disable that core"

then it basically becomes a 7800x3d, which frankly, absurd.

[fleet canopy]

Kinda sucks it can't work together well

[subtle flare]

AMD should've created their own drivers for it

[vast harness]

Might as well just get a 5800x3d

I've seen it hold well in some gaymen benchmarks

though in compute it probably still falls a tad behind newer processors

[sturdy osprey]

anyone got any psu recommendations? doing an entry level build and I got recommended a thermaltake smart 600w some pretty mixed feelings on it

[subtle flare]

How many estimated watts is your system gonna pull?

Error bound that value to maximize it

To be safe

[sturdy osprey]

396w, i would go with less wattage but every 450 to 500w psu I look at seems to not be great

[subtle flare]

Seasonic PSUs are pretty good

They make ones for 650 and 550 Watts

If you were pulling > 800 watts I would recommend MSI/Corsair

[sturdy osprey]

nah it wont be that much, the entire build is entry level and under 1K so balling on a budget

[devout flume]

can i keep all my stages completed when i change my new laptop? if not how could i keep it

[subtle flare]

You should since steam keeps it updated

[devout flume]

How to do it?

Im not usually use steam

[subtle flare]

You don’t boot up your game via steam?

GTFO should be in your steam game library

If you boot up GTFO it’ll automatically boot up steam if you haven’t opened it through steam

[crimson iron]

If you are using a non sanctioned copy

You might need a different way of keeping track of your clears

Lol

[devout flume]

I mean how to boot up

I opened gtfo

[subtle flare]

I'm assuming you search via Windows search bar and type in GTFO, click enter, then it boots up?

Do you have steam installed?

[devout flume]

Yes

[subtle flare]

It should automatically open steam when you boot GTFO then

It'll just show in the hidden task icon bar

Alternatively just boot up steam first, then open GTFO via steam library

[devout flume]

Idk but my friend have game too, but when he change laptop, all stages cleared are gone

[formal plume]

dude forgor to cloud save

[serene bay]

An old picture of my build

[wary prism]

mid

current build

[twin python]

If this is the wrong channel for this, @ me and I will move it there.

Does anyone here have any experience using SQLite with C++? I'm extremely new to actually using programming knowledge (so far I've only had to use what I learned for college assignments) and want to take a stab at making a simple full-stack application for my personal learning. Ideally it would look as follows:

html, css, js ←→ C++ ←→ SQLite (I'm most comfortable with C++)
Issue is, idk which version of SQLite to use, nor how to get it to work with C++ since it's meant for C. I know C++ comes from C but idk how to transition from one to the other, functionally. Some forums have talked about making a wrapper class for SQLite but I'm not entirely sure what that entails.

Please @ me with a brief description, or even just link, of how to get it to work.

[bright shard]

https://github.com/SRombauts/SQLiteCpp
Looks like what i would use.
Never did any web stuff, so i dont know the web stuff.

I think what you need to decide is, how important is it that your c++ is called via Javascript on a web page. On that side, you might need to make an/ use an existing API to interface with your "server"

If you are fine with having your server tightly coupled with your Javascript, you could consider using googles v8.

@twin python

[formal plume]

laugh at this embed fail

🤡

jpg > jfif

can't convert file formats + L + no maidens + can't use google

[twin python]

@bright shard
Thank you for the suggestions (I was studying for physics so couldn't really delve into any of it until today) but I'm still so confused about all of it. I know what the wrapper does/is supposed to do (basically abstract functionality into something simpler and more intuitive to C++) but don't understand how it is actually done. I looked at the SQLiteCPP repo but am not entirely sure which part of it i'm supposed to use.

Confused but still wanting to make progress, I went ahead and basically "went in raw," using SQLite exactly how it is out the box, no safety measures or whatever, cause I just wanted to see how it worked as well as how to interact with the actual database. So far, I've yet to reach an issue that requires a wrapper, besides sometimes confusing syntax cause it's new to me. Final result, I have a functioning (local) database that can be modified by a (local) C++ console application.

Now this is where the second part confused me. I've just been scouring the web for some sort of understanding, and it keeps saying something along the lines of using a framework or library (to connect the backend to the database). but what i'm not getting is why they're needed. atm, i have a local db and local cpp file that work with each other, no need for an API, lib, framework or anything (although I know one will eventually be needed). all i wanna know is what steps are necessary to get from where i'm at, to needing an api or something else. i'm not really concerned with which yet, just conceptually what needs to be done; how does one "host" a server and then how do i get my backend to be there and not a file on my computer?

I apologize if that's a bit much to read, it's just all very confusing to me, hence why I want to try and tackle the task.

[bright shard]

s'lot to unpack there

can i answer tomorrow?

[twin python]

feel free to answer whenever. no rush.

[bright shard]

lets break down what i can for now:
Your .cpp file plus your database, that's your backend
your html+js is your front end

the API which is called via the javascript on your webpage, through your API, to your backend

is what binds the two together. you could piece everything together with sockets or requests, but its inane, because thats what the API library is there for, so that you dont need to work at the network level.

you are in the client-server area of comp-sci

the webpage is your client, the c++ application is your server.

by running the c++ application, is by extension running the server.

a server has an IP address, both public and private.

by running your webpage and server on the same PC, you will very likely have your webpage be Localhost

if your server is somewhere else on your network, it needs to point to the correct IP.

for a simple situation where there is one server, and one/many clients; a backend will never be anything more than a program running on a computer.

you need a server to serve your HTML, and you need a server to host your backend.

and then a web-browser to have your html served to.

to serve your html, you need xampp or apache or something else

your server that hosts the backend, can be any kind of computer. an ec2 instance, a raspberry pi, the same computer you are using to develop, it really does not matter unless you need speed.

without using an api framework thats already created, you have to manage the requests, parsing, and a whole pain of nonsense from scratch.

focus on getting a functional webpage before you concern yourself with dedicated hosting.

as dedicated hosting costs money.

i sleep.

[twin python]

again, thank you. I (think) I have a clearer understanding of what is actually required now. Am I correct in this diagram?

(front) (back) (db)
|| (⇋ HTTP) || (⇋ SQL) ||
html,css,js ←( api )→ cpp ←( Framework/Library )→ sqlite
| | | |
|_(server)_| |___________( server )____________|

[bright shard]

Yeah, id agree to that.

One addendum i'd make is the almost dual definition for server

A server can be either a computer or an application

Therefore a single server can contain multiple servers

[still notch]

You ever just slowly replace most of the parts in your pc and realize your expensive Best Buy prebuilt is made up of crappy unreliable parts? I am honestly surprised my computer hasn’t ignited yet.

[fleet canopy]

never had a prebuilt so no :p

bought a graphics card with 0 knowledge

trol

so every other thing gets bought

And that's kind of how I've been doing them, never considered prebuilt for myself once

[bright shard]

Ive been in that boat for many things. But for pcs, after seeing many pre-builts die in 4 years, i just cant even. I can only build now. All the pcs in the house are now self built.

[formal plume]

most prebuilts are like that

its about profit, not user value

[tardy jetty]

i bought all my parts separately and built it myself

a prebuilt version would probably go for 5k

i spent 3k

[grave moth]

building it urself is definitely cheaper

and it's easier to customize

[formal plume]

its cause you pay for the labor of someone else and the property of storing it

not to mention the obvious "companies need to make money"

[fleet canopy]

Pay the company to make a PC for you in the worst possible way, with unplugged cables and it's significantly harder to deal with opening the case and fixing anything in there

[formal plume]

yeah but unironically if a company does that shit properly they go out of business

[shut shard]

You guys think its worth it getting the 7950x3d instead of the 7800x3d

Some games perform better with the 7800x3d but some other games that rely on raytracing heavily like cyberpunk would the 7950x3d be better

Gpu is a 4090 btw

[merry bay]

just for gaming a 7800X3D is better value and less chance for headaches surrounding game to game implementation in specific core utilization.
if you don't benefit from the extra cores for specific work, a 7950X3D makes less sense

when there's a gain for the 7950X3D, it's very small, but comes with ease of use risks, especially with older games(probably less relevant because accidentally using slower cores would still be enough fps to not care in most cases around older titles)

[shut shard]

@merry bay got ya thanks

[pastel ravine]

iv gotten a second-hand monitor from my dads workshop and hooked it up to my intergrated gpu but it wont centre properlly. Iv tried adjust resolution but it still doesnt centre right

actually dw just figured it out. I changed the refresh rate from 59hrz to 60hrz, but i dont know why it does that

actually second thoughts no i havent. It centres perfectly when on 1280x720 60hrz but when i try to go to 1920x1080 it doesnt centre regardless of refresh rate

oh i fixed it again. looked up the specs and turns out the optimal resolution and refresh is 1680x1050 at 60hrz and now its all fine

[bleak stag]

1680x1050 is a 16:10 ratio, FYI, 16:10 is more rare than 16:9

[fleet canopy]

just do mafs smh

just take resolution and divide it with the aspect ratio, and if both answers don't come out the same, it's not the correct ratio

like 1920 divided by 16 being 120, and 1080 divided by 9 also being 120

[zinc isle]

Does i5 11400f go well with rtx 3060 12gb ?

[fleet canopy]

Yeah it goes together well

[merry fiber]

This isn't really entirely PC related but does anyone have recommendations for a good VR system

[grave moth]

oculus quest 2

[formal plume]

HTC Vive if you have the money

[potent star]

Ayo can anyone here help me figure out if the 4060ti would be a better option than the 4070 or higher. AkA worth its money. Also an alternative works too. I'm just in desperate need of an upgrade and DLSS3 seems like an awesome thing to have but I've heard people are returning 4070s and idk why

[formal plume]

what are you running if you need DLSS3 and a RTX 4070

[fleet canopy]

I would probably get a 4060 ti with the 16GB imo

Cheaper than 4070, with 4gb extra for vram

But I'll just check a review and say if it is worth

well not a review

But I can't even tell about anything until an actual review comes through

[shut shard]

anyone can explain to me why i am so smart

buys asus x670 elite motherboard
buys 7800x3d prozessor
buys 7200 ram
FORGETS 7200 CANNOT SUPPORT X670 ONLY A MAXIMUM OF 6000
1200 RAM lost
would have to buy a new processor and motherboard
could have gained +5 FPS more

[bright shard]

you can still just drop timings instead

[shut shard]

i know

but thats something i really dont know if i can trust myself with that

i really dont wanna fry my CPU

i really hate fucking around in the BIOS with the settings about that

[subtle flare]

I’m pretty sure my X670E board can support speeds up to 6600

What board are you using? @shut shard

[shut shard]

X670 aorus elite AX

it theory it can support up to 6666

[bright shard]

worth noting past 6000 you're going to basically get a gearing change

so in gaming workloads you're going to be literally splitting a single fps of difference.

at a massive cost against stability.

[shut shard]

yes

[bright shard]

ie, touch grass.

[subtle flare]

I already do lol

I got a 6000 kit because it’s less costly than higher ones

I was already paying roughly $300-400 for 6000

6600 would’ve been upper $4/500

[fleet canopy]

It seems like the best spot to get DDR5 is 6000Mhz CAS30

Which it seems like a nice choice, price wise as well for a 2x16gb kit

They do seem to up in price a considerable amount you just go straight to 7200Mhz with 34cas

[subtle flare]

I got 64 gb of 6000

2 2x16 gb

[shut shard]

its not the money thats the problem

but fuck intel

if you like intel good for you but its really not for me

[fleet canopy]

Eh at this point idc whether I really go with amd or intel

So far afaik AMD is still better on the CPU side, and even the GPU side cause they're not selling you near 4090 perf for a stupid cost

Same for NVIDIA vs AMD

Both sides aren't really bad, but AMD still has a better advantage cause ray tracing is still gimmicky and rasterization has always been more important to me than adding some extra bs that dlss 3 has

[fleet canopy]

First game, 1080p at high https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2b0MWGwK_U

Literally like 5FPS difference compared to 3060 Ti

Actual laughingstock of the world

Second game, absolutely still no reason to consider the 4060 Ti

2.1 fps difference

Third game, 3060 Ti does slightly better, extra 0.6fps for the 3060 Ti

For 4k I should mention

The first, second, was 1080p, the third was 4k

: )

idk what the market is really, 6800XT is probably a better choice purely just cause it's 16GB of VRAM, which is an important bonus in today's gaming performance, and it does fairly better than the rebranded 3060 Ti

The price may be fair ish for the 6800 XT, but check out something else to see if you can get a better bang for your buck cause the 4060 Ti is literally worthless and no one should ever buy it

You could also wait for the 16GB 4060 Ti, but honestly the fact being that the only major difference is the name of the card and has DLSS 3.0 support maybe, you are better off just looking at the 6800 XT

Amazing 30fps difference for r6 siege where it's already far above the framerate needed to make a 360Hz display a different frame every time it refreshes

[formal plume]

"uhm achually I do touch grass" 🤓

[formal plume]

HOLY MOTHER OF BASED

[grave moth]

I don't touch grass

[merry bay]

it's so easy

[fleet canopy]

omg so true

[grave moth]

glarses did that lol

[shut shard]

Bro that looks disgusting

So dirty grass grows on your keyboard

I hope they bring out a bios update sometime so i can go for the 7200 ram

Bro fuck windows man

Fuck ftpm

[fleet canopy]

So reviews for the 7600 has come

And AMD has done soooo many changes within a week to an hour before launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCxYfXe1DAA

I'm not sure what it's about

But they must have saw the 4060 Ti and realized oh fuck this isn't gonna work we gotta do something about it

They also had poor communication as well it looks like

[formal plume]

why are you so h0rny

[subtle flare]

Hey y’all

I wanted to bring something up really quick

So I have an X670E Ace motherboard from MSI and I was doing BIOS updates

However, doing these fucked the stability of EXPO

Can’t boot/post after enabling EXPO after bios update

So I had to downgrade/revert back

The new updates bring support to the X3D cpus but I don’t have one

But they also provide updates to other portions too

Any thoughts/ideas what I should do?

[bright shard]

im gonna say:
wait until next bios update then go back to expo

because AMD still has esplainin to do.

and the board mfrs are dragging their feet.

[subtle flare]

Alright

I was having a massive headache since my DRAM was running at 3200 MHz

Couldn’t turn on EXPO

Just gonna stick with old BIOS and expo on and wait

[dry hollow]

same issue with gigabytes bios except the newest "stable" release will sometimes boot and sometimes not even with all default settings

[subtle flare]

So it’s bios regarding the new X3D and voltage settings

I posted on Reddit and filed a support ticket just in case too

[void hare]

I just upgraded to a 7900xtx and now only GTFO crashes

Anyone have any tips

[north elk]

Pray for drivers update

[bright shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/97010340616769536/1111737432430358619/image.png

honestly, asus Armoury crate can go fuck itself.
this thing rocks.

[grave moth]

naisu

[grave moth]

rate my setup

[tough zealot]

10/10 would game

[bright shard]

boxxy/10

[untold sable]

I just built my PC like 2 days ago and it restarts/crashes when I play a game that puts some strain on my system. It last happened on battlefield 4 when I was flying a jet around on like Max settings. I thought I had fixed it but it happened again this morning. Any thoughts?

[tough zealot]

Dont play on max settings

[bright shard]

Post specs and whatever you have done in bios.

[untold sable]

bios is default. It came with a fairly recent bios and my CPU and all that seemed to be compatible so I skipped a bios update.
I have a RTX 3070, AMD Ryzen 5 5600x, GIGIABYTE X570S Aorus elite AX motherboard, 32 gigs DDR4 3600 RAM, EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G5 power supply

[bright shard]

Did you install all your drivers?

Are you monitoring temps?

[untold sable]

as far as I know all my drivers are installed. I don't know how to monitor my temps

sorry I'm very new to PC building and all that lol

[bright shard]

Answers are answers.
Install msi afterburner

Drivers id worry about are the amd chipset drivers and the nvidia gpu driver.

Windows update might roll back driver updates to the stable version, which can be annoying.

[untold sable]

I installed the GeForce experience app and I got some sort of popup on first boot about amd stuff so I think I've got the drivers. any way to check that I do?

[bright shard]

I think you're probably fine.

Install msi afterburner, check temps.

If you want, you can stress test on

Furmark, prime95 smal fft

I sleep. If you post questions ill get them 2morro

[untold sable]

okie thx

[dry hollow]

Could it be PSU related? The rtx 3000 series cards were known to have pretty bad power spikes so I'm wondering if that's the issue

[bright shard]

i doubt the crashing is that frequent due to spikes alone.

[quick herald]

Should I buy a gtx 1080ti, I have a 1660 rn and I'm looking to be able to run games at Higher settings, rn im running most modern games at medium settings, I found a 1080ti for like 150$ and it wasn't in a mining computer.

[fleet canopy]

It's like a 30% increase in performance ish

It's a pretty good deal imo

Could sell your 1660 and it's like 75$ spent

[quick herald]

yeah but since the 1080 is older isnt it gonna be more power hungry? I do have a 1000 watt gold supply so im not worried just curious

[fleet canopy]

It will take up more power yeah

It really is no problem with a 1000w though lmao

[quick herald]

i'll probably have to repaste it tho since its old

[fleet canopy]

Perhaps

Fairly easy to do at least

[quick herald]

yeah i've done it before

thank you for the second opinion : )

[fleet canopy]

Especially with the fact it comes with 11GB of vram, it should be able to handle modern games a bit easier

[quick herald]

yeah I do only game at 1080p still

so I dont need the huge VRAM but it couldn't hurt lol

[calm wigeon]

How many FPS should I expect from RTX2060 Ryzen 5 3600?

[bright shard]

For what game at what resolution with what settings?

[calm wigeon]

GTFO

Settings I have no idea

Recommended?

[subtle flare]

With a 2060 probably the lowest settings for most but not all

I’d say turn up shadow resolution to max just for shadows

[torpid elbow]

does anyone know if overkilling specs enough leads to no stuttering in game? I’m running a ryzen 7 7700x and a 3070 and I’m still experiencing little hiccups (neither cpu nor gpu are maxed) every now and then (and gpu bound frame drops in biolab/alpha environments)

they’re not annoying or obstructive, I was just wondering if anyone has enough of an overkill rig to eliminate that

or if it’s just the game

I’m getting a new gpu tomorrow as well so I’ll see if I still get poor performance in those tilesets

[bleak stag]

7700x and a 3070 are already overkill unless you play on 4k or try to reach 144hz

For the record with a 3070ti everything on medium I still dip well below 60 fps for 4k on R7D1

[torpid elbow]

I’m playing 100hz but I think the hiccups are cpu instability

I just got this platform yesterday

[bright shard]

7700x, 7900xt, no stuttering. Frametimes are crap with >0 prerendered frames

[torpid elbow]

so no pre rendered frames?

what about shadow updates and cpu culling

I have culling on max but I feel like the game is single core performance limited

so that might not be the answer

[bright shard]

I have everything maxed.

1080p

75hz

[torpid elbow]

oh lmao yeah idk how that translates to my resolution

[bright shard]

I have the usual bullshit off, player shadows, motion blur.

[torpid elbow]

I play on 1440p uw 100hz

most stuff on medium, shadow resolution high, player shadows off

[bright shard]

Im holding out for 4k oleds.

[torpid elbow]

fog quality kills performance so that’s on very low

try it when you get gpu bottlenecked

high is like half fps compared to very low

your gpu is hard overkill for your resolution tho

[bright shard]

Yep.

[torpid elbow]

do you have stuttering on alpha 1 or on biolab tileset?

[bright shard]

I dont think ive had stuttering anywhere in any game

[torpid elbow]

nice

I’m betting you’re on the edge of stuttering though bc that shit is LAGGY

[bright shard]

I wonder if that one r6 terminal uplink map will lag me at 1080p

[subtle flare]

Any good recommendations for how to resell PC components?

[torpid elbow]

aim for a realistic price. It doesn’t have to be low, and don’t let yourself get lowballed. There’s demand, so you’ll probably sell it eventually. If you have almost a full pc worth of components, you could buy whatever you’re missing, put a 7 dollar/euro windows license on there and sell it (you can make a margin off it being a full pc)

[subtle flare]

Yea I just don’t know where to sell

I’m just tryna sell a memory kit

Maybe even 2

[torpid elbow]

depends on region

[subtle flare]

NA

[torpid elbow]

you could try selling on reddit

[torpid elbow]

update: im running everything max with stable 100fps now as well. GPU barely breaks a sweat, it's at 60 percent util

[bright shard]

new card?

[torpid elbow]

6950 xt

new yeah

[subtle flare]

Just posted on r/pcpartsales

Hopefully it'll gain some traction

Thanks for the recommendation

[torpid elbow]

that works

[torpid elbow]

if 1440p ultra wide is UWQHD, what is 4K ultra wide👀

UwUHD?

[formal plume]

UwUHD

[reef junco]

does GTFO just not have support for 8k? just came back after a year of not playing and upgraded to a 8k 65 inch. game will launch, but the UI is all the way zoomed in, with no way to access top menu. Once change resolution in display settings to 4k, game runs fine....

[bright shard]

the last time i tried to set it to 8k the game basically broke on me, i think you need to change the UI scale or something.

[reef junco]

dang hey clay, looooong time no see

[bright shard]

glad to see you're still kicking.

[reef junco]

k. will fk around settings, see how it goes.
yeah.. still alive.

[errant moth]

Is it normal for fps to drop to single digits during the drop sequence, even in single player mode (with bots)

[grave moth]

yes

idk why it does this

but it happens all the time

[bright shard]

yes, its the loading screen.

you get a frame drop because your gpu is busy loading the level into memory.

[grave moth]

now I know why it does that

[bright shard]

you can also tell who is taking the longest to load by the last person to have full fps.

[formal plume]

when three people are flashing lights and the fourth isn't
you know who has the potato PC

[faint oak]

pls ADVICE

i keep getting a clock watchdog timeout error randomly when doing about anything.
i think it’s safe to clear out any software issues as the pc has been tested for quite literally everything, has been formatted, had cmos removed, nothing.

issue is either motherboard or cpu. which would be more reasonable to replace first?

[bright shard]

what cpu

[faint oak]

i7 11th gen k series

its not overheating benchmark results are great and nothing seems wrong with it

[bright shard]

are you overclocking?

[faint oak]

no\

bios was updated too and also took cmos battery out

[north elk]

I had this error once

My ram was overclocked

Lowering memory frequency fixed the issue

@faint oak

Maybe faulty ram not withstanding standard frequency and need lowering idk

[torpid elbow]

actually your cpu usage peaks to 100, not your gpu

it's just cpu and ssd bound I believe

my fps drops for about 2-3 seconds but for some people it's around 30 seconds

[bleak stag]

Try disabling XMP and PBO (or whatever the equivalent is for Intel)

[austere cradle]

Anybody know why I get frame drops in GTFO? I have a great GPU & CPU, so I assume it’s an issue with my RAM. Any ideas?

[subtle flare]

This game is barely optimized

You won't be getting many frames in big levels

[austere cradle]

Ok

[fleet canopy]

The only section to get insane frame drops is loading, and somewhat of an fps drop when alarm goes as it spawns the AI and AI itself also takes some performance off

[bleak stag]

eh really depends, R7D1 is like a brick to my system compared to all the other levels (only R6DX was worse)

[formal plume]

but even then loading doesn't really matter cause it's just the loading screen

unless it's those drops where everyone waits for 5 minutes

[rigid magnet]

How many queued frames do you have the game set to render in your settings?

If it's at 0 you will have frame drops no matter what. You need it to be at least 1 or 2.

[formal plume]

queued frames, unsure why it goes above 3
anything above that makes hacking and shooting very wonky 🙃

[austere cradle]

I set it to 2

[obsidian heron]

Hi there i got the rog ally and i wanted to try gtfo on it but no matter the config the game crash when I get to the character load menu

Does anyone know if this game have a crash log in the files

[bleak stag]

appdata/locallow

[torpid elbow]

R7D1 somehow just does not know how to use my gpu

i’m at like 60 percent gpu util and 15 percent cpu

yet not maxed on fps

[formal plume]

welcome to, the game is half abandoned and optimizations are not in mind

[bright shard]

Very hard to optimize a modular game tbh

[obsidian heron]

Thank you it's really appreciated

[keen yacht]

Hello I am in search of building a desktop transitioning from my laptop I don’t really know what to go for or where to start any help plz🙏🏽

[subtle flare]

Budget?

[keen yacht]

ig 1-1.5k?

[dry hollow]

Are you in the US or a different country and are you looking into building your own or getting a prebuilt?

[keen yacht]

i honestly dont know what the better option is and yeah US

[dry hollow]

Custom builds tend to give you better bang for your buck while with prebuilds the company offers their own warranty so if something goes wrong you only have to go through them (individual parts have warranties but with a custom build you have to figure out which part is causing the problem)

[fleet canopy]

yes

Would any of you trust this enough? https://www.walmart.com/ip/Xgaming-27inch-165Hz-Ultra-Wide-Gaming-Monitor-ELED-QHD-2K-2560-x-1440p-Display-16-9-PC-Monitor-Backlight-DP-HDMI-2-Speakers-Metal-Base-1ms-FreeSync-/1256501276

[formal plume]

I would

though I kinda fear the 165hz mode would have ghosting/smearing

[fleet canopy]

Guess I'll try and find any information about that lol

[keen yacht]

This is very helpful, thank you

[bright shard]

Not i.

[atomic mountain]

So I had been playing GTFO on pretty basic laptop and it would kind of run. Now have PC going and I can run it at 165FPS with all the graphic settings maxed out. Sometimes get FPS drops during alarms and if lots of enemies in a room. Is there anything I can alleviate FPS drop? It's still pretty good FPS, like 90+ but a couple times it's dipped below that. Is that just how it be?

[fleet canopy]

It's just gonna happen regardless since it's a lot of AI for the game

Could be made better to be less taxing on performance, but not much else you can do I guess

[subtle flare]

If you couldn't tell already the game needs more in terms of optimization

Can definitely use it

[formal plume]

get the RTX 5090

just kidding, not sure if the game can fully utilize a 4090 at the moment

but yeah GTFO is a game that looks cool but the FPS drops happen to everyone

maybe it's Unity jank, idk

[fleet canopy]

I don't think the game has ever really been able to fully utilize a lot of cards anyway

well I just mean the higher end of the cards

[atomic mountain]

I think CPU culling is currently set on medium, that's just what the default setting was. Should I turn that off or down?

[fleet canopy]

Try messing around with it and see

I don't think it really does a lot though

[atomic mountain]

Either way, I'm still pretty happy. I was originally playing on an unstable 25 FPS. Haha.

[subtle flare]

I probably run 40% utilization in this game

40-60

Everyone that plays the game wants stable frames and optimizations

Devs just haven’t done so yet

[thin swan]

me: joins expedition
computer: blue screens, needs chkdsk on both my ssds

[jade ermine]

does not, source me

[rich ruin]

if i get gtfo in a different region from the person i'm gifting it to can they play it?

[bright shard]

there is no region locking native to gtfo, the only restriction you might have is on steam itself, which is usually nothing.

[rich ruin]

I see

[proper wren]

Someone decided to toss their 11700K, MSI Z590, MSI 850GF, and MSI 3090 Ventus

[formal plume]

did you grab it?

[proper wren]

Everything is functional except the videocard because of the PCIE inside but is repairable

Yes

I already got a free 3090 system and now I have another

Perks of being a technician, but its painful to see people be stoopid

Literally told the guy all he needed to do was replace the videocard and his system will be fine. "No, I want an entire new system build because the components are old."

[formal plume]

tbf Cod MWII said the RTX 3090 is outdated

[tough zealot]

Hey uh… i could use an upgrade, you snagged any 2000’s i could steal from ya?

[proper wren]

My other tech already grabbed a 2070

[tough zealot]

Fuckin

I tried

If you get one lmk

[north elk]

BRUH

[fleet canopy]

wild people are brain dead

Anyway send it to me

[rich ruin]

A 3090 is outdated what the

I’m still here with a 1070

Or was it 1080

[torpid elbow]

3090 outdated? damn

for cyberpunk or sm

[proper wren]

The thing was msi won't honor warranty for the prebuilt PC so the guy was like "fuck it, I'm building a new system."

[formal plume]

it's just not aging as well as it should be for a XX90 series card

[jade ermine]

Started my pc rebuild today

Not too excited of tearing my current rig apart but got new case and radiator mounted

got the case and new ssd + fans for 180 euros.
fucking thing weighs 22 kilos without anything on it haha

[fleet canopy]

What the hell is that radiator

[formal plume]

the reason it weighs 22kg

[fleet canopy]

possible 5090 cooler?

Or even 5060?

[jade ermine]

22kg without it, Just empty case. With radiator more than that haha

[jade ermine]

This + one internal 360mm radiator will be cooling 4090 and 5800X3D

[fleet canopy]

Nice

Was thinking it'd be for one part for some reason lol

[formal plume]

oh god

[jade ermine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721739308557402233/1125550789356703744/IMG_20230704_001440.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721739308557402233/1125550789675454584/IMG_20230704_001426.jpg

and she is alive! @formal plume @fleet canopy

[fleet canopy]

Nice

What are those silly little performance numbers like?

[jade ermine]

In GTFO? prob 50fps

[fleet canopy]

I mean like benchmarks and stuff

gtfo obviously couldn't make full use of literally anything

[jade ermine]

I have not ran 3Dmark with 5800X3D

DRG frame capped at 240hz 5120x1440p
Cyberpunk is awesome with all the path tracing yummies
Everything has been butter

[formal plume]

butter

[torn ferry]

What are causes of high coolant temperature?

[bright shard]

on a pc? usually 100% cpu load.
or fans arent spinning on radiator fast enough

[rotund ledge]

Could also be a slow pump issue

[jade ermine]

As long as water moves, There is very minimal difference.
I see maybe 1C diff with 100% vs 20%

[jade ermine]

Bad airflow usually.
Or very power hungry components

[rotund ledge]

Ah I didn't know that. I always thought more flow = more heat dissipatoin.

[jade ermine]

Radiator surface area = more heat dissipation. Pump speed does very little.

[torn ferry]

Is 55 C considered high?

[nova sparrow]

For a CPU Under load:
80 is considered high
70 is considered normal
Anything under 60 I'd say is low actually

[torn ferry]

The coolant temperature.

[nova sparrow]

Ah. For coolant Temps I don't know.

On another note.

I have a rtx 4090. And an amd ryzen 9
During several points throughout rundown 7. I encountered frame drops down to 60 and sometimes under.
Anything I can do about that (not overclocking) or is it a game related issue?

[jade ermine]

Its pretty dang high coolant temperature

[jade ermine]

Game related, Got 4090 aswell and same thing here.

[torn ferry]

What do you recommend I do?

[jade ermine]

I assume you have AIO cooler?

Step 1. Inspect that the radiator has airflow coming through it. Could be full of dust or have a really poor case ventilation blocking it.

Step 2. If there is air moving though the radiator, Boot up stress test (R23 loop for example, If the cooler is on ur GPU, Boot up a game or superposition benchmark)
If the air coming through the radiator is not warm/hot -> pump is faulty

Step 3. If pump is faulty, Buy a new cooler.

[torn ferry]

Yes, 240mm radiator
exhausting out the top.

[fleet canopy]

If it's for gaming, it's not bad, but you can definitely save money from some things

For the CPU, same ish price, just put on a 7800X3D instead, far more gaming performance

[rotund ledge]

Unless you really need the extra cores of the 7900x, 7800x3d is better for gaming.

[fleet canopy]

You could also throw in a cheap 7200RPM 1-2TB hdd as well

alright

Well then, that sounds pretty good

[rotund ledge]

Lmao

[fleet canopy]

Could throw in one extra fan for front, but not too necessary

afaik the case comes with only two fans, one for front and one for back

Artic is nice, noctua is also a great brand, but can be pricey

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LPZFf7/

Should be relatively cheap

:)

[bright shard]

Im so glad ive got no rgb, so i can sleep near my pc.

[grave moth]

rgb fun

[grave moth]

yeah thats understandable

would be a waste of money and time at that point

[torpid elbow]

I’m not going to say it’s a stupid suggestion but I don’t support buying hard disks unless you’re going for more than 4TB. A 2TB ssd sets you back 80 bucks these days and a 2TB hard disk like 40-50. It’s a no brainer to me to get the SSD. even for steam library stuff.

[subtle flare]

Fully disagree

I don't believe in putting 50 gb videos on an SSD

Even if I had 4 TB worth of SSD

HDDs are so much better at handling information like that

[bright shard]

the nice thing about HDDs is that they suffer less bit rot when you unplug and stash em

solid state needs maintenance voltage to stay stable

and when they (HDD) corrupt, it does not fuck the whole disk

[subtle flare]

If you have mass storage (excluding application space) you should get a hard drive, no brainer

I'm already running low on my 2 TB and I want to ship my NAS over to my new place

[torpid elbow]

I don’t see why any person who uses their pc for gaming would stash their hdds ngl

[bright shard]

my tower only has space for 2 HDD, if i upgrade one has to come out, i can be lazy with the duration of getting the files off the drive

leave an SSD kicking around for a few years and you might as well reformat.

[torpid elbow]

right but most towers support at least 4 2.5” SSDs, not to mention the usually 2-3 M.2 slots on the motherboard

[bright shard]

boards are coming with fewer and fewer sata ports, if all my m.2 slots are occupied i can only have 2 sata devices.

its a reach but, removing sata drives is a lot easier than removing m.2 drives

to remove any of my m.2 drives i need to contort my hands past my gpu support bracket, or unscrew heatsinks

suffice to say, rather than get more drives in a tower, i think its better to get a NAS setup

[fleet canopy]

Trying to buy a 2-3TB SSD can still be quite expensive

I got a 3tb hdd just because I needed more storage at the time and it has worked perfectly fine, plus 99% of the games going on the HDD doesn't even need the fast loading of the SSD at all, cause they're just going to be singleplayer games (unless for some reason that SSDs actually have a huge benefit where it has to be fast)

Unless SSDs becomes more cheaper for the extra size, or that it becomes a good viable option to have instead of HDDs outside of games that do better with an SSD, HDDs are going to be a good option for however long they'll be around

[jade ermine]

vote for arctic here too, got 12 them in my system and they are perfect

Fan meta right now is P12s. If u wanna flex u can go for NF-A12's and if thicker fans are okay, Phanteks T30. One of these is like 3x the price vs Arctic though.

Talking about fans, Those upcoming Alphacool metal frame fans seem amazing. Apparently best there is.

[torpid elbow]

HDD 2TB is 40 euros in my region

SSD 2TB goes for 60

that’s a no brainer to me

[raw copper]

Hey guys, Im looking to buy a good gaming laptop around 2300 usd, im curious if yall have nay recommendations

[formal plume]

Legion 5 Pro

[pine void]

Got a question from a friend, he is wanting to play gtfo using a “low end laptop” till he has the time and money to get a higher end pc. Just wondering if anyone has any recommendations

[bright shard]

the canned response is, build your own with parts that make sense at the time.

no point in putting together a list 4 months in advance, or saying buy this now 3 year old prebuilt that looks like its brand new but not.

[torpid elbow]

recommendations for the PC or for running the game on his laptop?

[pine void]

He has neither, so recommendations would be nice

[torpid elbow]

for building a PC I’d need a lot more info on his budget, res, etc

for running on laptop obviously try lowest settings first

[pine void]

I would assume around 750 cad

[torpid elbow]

if this doesn’t work, adjust resolution first, then if THAT doesn’t work, either it’s not gonna work at all OR you could try the LowSpecGaming mod

which includes lower graphics settings than the game itself

but that’s not the way it’s supposed to be so honestly if he can’t run it on lowest he might want to hold off

[formal plume]

oh geez a DIY desktop is the best in that case
if they are willing to put the effort in

[fleet canopy]

Fun second hand market fishing

[formal plume]

thats the best but they could also just look at sales for new parts

well the PSU alone should be new anyway

[fleet canopy]

That really is just a requirement lol

But with 750 cad I'm not sure they can get away with new part sales

Outside of psu

[formal plume]

yeah can't think of this budget for laptops

like what? a last gen i5 and probably 8GB of RAM

if it was one grand, could easily just get a budget gaming laptop

[raw copper]

Hey y’all I’m between these two laptops. What would you suggest and why?

[bleak stag]

It ain't a fair contest when number1 has a 4080 and number 2 has a 3060

And that's without taking the CPU into account which is also another huge difference

[bright shard]

The one with the 4080 is like 3 whole standard deviations better.

No contest.

Not even a fair comparison

No way they are close in price

[raw copper]

The aorus is like 300 dollars more. Not too big of a jump

[bleak stag]

Assuming it's 300 USDs that's more than worth it

[raw copper]

Thank you !

[formal plume]

this

apparently they are

when it comes to laptops just go with spec > storage

you can always install new storage and copy windows over

[bright shard]

the one with a 3060 is essentially a catfish. lots of makeup for what is a terrible laptop.

very sneaky, but the 3060 one is essentially overpriced.

[raw copper]

Dayum. Is there another laptop you would suggest or have seen that is good?

[torn bison]

There are no good laptops, there are only acceptable laptops

You will always have to compromise if you want a laptop

[summer jolt]

Hella late, but it should be noted that the one with the 4080 only has 16GB of DDR5 and a 1TB SSD (not specified as m.2).
The other had 40GB of DDR4 and 2TB pcie M.2.
Depending on what kind of gaming you do, the 3060 option is also a solid choice

Would maybe recommend looking up the Mobo on the first one to see if you can upgrade RAM and if it has an M.2 slot

[bright shard]

both 17x models have 2 ddr5 expansion slots, and two m.2 slots.

the catfish one has no unpopulated memory slots, and an extra 1tb accounts for like 30 bucks.
again, no contest.

also, the 4080 one has pcie passthrough on tb4, if you wanted to do weird egpu stuff down the line.

[torn ferry]

if I want to upgrade from an RTX 2080, what should I upgrade to?

[bright shard]

6800/6900/7900xtx/4080 probs

[fleet canopy]

Apparently the 7900XTX still suffers bad power draw issues

The 4080 is the better choice if you are alright with spending 200$ more

They will probably eventually fix it maybe? But it released at least half a year ago and it's still got that issue

Better surely, but still there

[bright shard]

7xxx series will probably always have high idle draw.

and high under load draw

[jade ermine]

That idle power draw is mostly fixed now, Nothing to worry about

would take 4080 over 7900XTX though

[bright shard]

7900xtx definitely has higher under load draw though.

[fleet canopy]

It still has pretty significant power draw when not under load from what I can remember

[jade ermine]

it went from 50-60W during web browsing and youtube to 10-20W, 30W with 4k video stream.

[fleet canopy]

I think more like in lighter games I mean

Maybe web browsing has become nicer

It still has gotten reductions, but someone did recently check the power draw and compared to the 4080, it isn't quite there yet

[tulip crane]

RTX 3070 w 16 gb ram sticks and intel i7 processor

i think it'll run gtfo.......

[subtle flare]

Nothing can run this game 💀

[tulip crane]

fr

[torpid elbow]

exactly this

I can get 1/2 of my target framerate while gpu be chilling under 60 and cpu be chilling at 15

but will unity use them?

nono

[fleet canopy]

I don't think it's unity's issue

[subtle flare]

It’s not

[fleet canopy]

Just not very developer skill

[subtle flare]

It’s their culling system

[fleet canopy]

I guess?

[subtle flare]

Discrepancy between level designers and optimization

It is lol

[fleet canopy]

The culling options seems to do jackshit for me

[subtle flare]

We discovered that

Time is making a GTFO optimizer

[fleet canopy]

Unless it's somehow gained a big enough of a improvement that it does actually significantly affect what you choose

[subtle flare]

The culling system is actually well designed

It’s just how the level design is not on par with it

For example, one pallet in game object is comprised of almost 30 objects tied together

It’s not just 1 object

Tanks performance

It’s actually bad

Game’s culling system makes it more heavily reliant on the CPU, which is okay, but they don’t utilize the GPU enough

[fleet canopy]

Oh I see

[torpid elbow]

yep

[subtle flare]

Not unity's fault though

It's how the devs implemented it

It makes sense why they did it but it could've been optimized for sure in some aspects

[fleet canopy]

Even then, if all the culling options don't maximizes a GPU to at least 90-95% or above, then it's either just a bad cpu/gpu combo, too easy to run which doesn't seem to be the case with any setup, or just not even optimized enough for that

[subtle flare]

It's not that

The current in-game culling system doesn't really include the GPU

It's not a CPU/GPU culling system

It's a straight CPU culling system

They either 1. need to optimize the game so that it just has better performance or 2. include the GPU and utlitize it more

Honestly they should do both

[somber pendant]

What type of PC do i need to have the best performence for the cheapest price

[grave moth]

uh tbh, i have a rx580 gpu, a ryzen 5 cpu, and a rog b50 (i think?) motherboard and it works just fine, it only costed me about 300-350 bucks for all of that, that doesnt include the other stuff i have tho

but i dont think u need 32gb of ram to like

play this game

[tough zealot]

Jesus cannie no wonder warframe hates your pc

We’ll find you a better gpu

[astral marsh]

wonder if i should go for normal rx 6700 xt or try and pay in installments plan for 6800 xt / just started a new job so dont wanna splash all my money straight away but im still impatient to get something new, so if i buy 6700 xt i might regret it in 2 months

i feel like in 2-3 years wont be decent anymore

but 6800 xt might still be running somewhat solid

[grave moth]

I'm getting a better one in August

this was just temporary until the pc shop opens

[robust crane]

I have a 6800xt and I'm pretty happy with it. I use it for 1440p gaming and VR.

I wish sometimes I had Nvidia's feature set for some VR applications tho.

[astral marsh]

yea seems like the best price/value gpu right now especially, really

[astral marsh]

hows it running gtfo on 1440p btw?

i couldnt find any tests/benchmarks

[robust crane]

Super solid, I run it on ultra, 90fps locked and it never dips frames.

At least I think I have it on ultra. I'd have to check.

[torpid elbow]

I can imagine it does better than that on some levels and worse on others

floodways, biolabs and alpha two are shit for your frames

[torpid elbow]

depends on the level. Especially levels with dimensions (like R6D4) can be crazy bad in terms of optimisation

eats 20GB ram and 16GB VRAM for me

[grave moth]

ah, I wouldn't know about that since I've never done any r6 :3

[torpid elbow]

well I didn’t actually test R6D4 yet

[subtle flare]

R6 has one of the worst optimizations

[torpid elbow]

but there are levels in the modded community which use dimensions

[subtle flare]

Not has, is