pc-build-help-and-tech-talk

[formal plume]

Nvidia overhyped

[fleet canopy]

I can't recall seeing any benchmarks for a 1080p display of a 4090

All reviewers said it's pointless and you shouldn't even do it for 1080p

At least I can't think of them ever saying it was good for 1080p

It probably will stop stuttering if you get the 3440x1440p monitor connected and running

I'm probably looking at yours but I highly doubt it

" There is currently a bug with Windows 11 22H2 that causes games to activate debug mode alongside running the main game. This often causes stutters as a result. Hopefully MS will have a patch out on the 10th of January to address the issue"

If you are using Windows 11 I suppose, can't remember if you do

[subtle flare]

They exist

But yea it's pointless

I just have to make due till Monday

[fleet canopy]

All I can find about 4090 stutters is just game optimization

[subtle flare]

I'm being bottlenecked at roughly 15% playing 1080p

If I play at 1440p I won't be

Especially ultrawide

[fleet canopy]

So it really could be a game optimization problem, NVIDIA's software, or possibly Windows 11 problem

At least for stuttering

[subtle flare]

But I mean

Every single game I've played at 1080p has been stuttering

[fleet canopy]

Even if you are experiencing stuttering, idk if getting your card bottlenecked cause the CPU is doing more work is really the cause I think

[subtle flare]

Lol literally nothing I do can fix it

Just gotta go higher res

[fleet canopy]

Aside from wait and see yeah

[subtle flare]

Considering that I'm upgrading to the 7950X3D, I'd be bottlenecked harder if I stayed at 1080p

[fleet canopy]

I mean, maybe the extra 3d cache might actually improve it lmao

but yeah soon as you get out of 1080p you'll probably stop seeing it

I'll also just put this here in case you may use it later on to help https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/4090-fps-dips-stutters.3783376/

Only thing I can say about it tho is that it's already months ago so it could be fixed

[subtle flare]

@fleet canopy I just found an interest article: https://community.openmr.com/t/rtx-4090-stuttering-problems-solved/39671

Afterburner??? I might try uninstalling and see if that helps

I was planning to OC but oh well I rather have no stuttering

[subtle flare]

Rip it didn’t fix it

[north elk]

If I remember correctly, the main guy working on MSI afterburner has some issues because he's russian

MSI couldn't pay him for a long time, and he had issues actually receiving GPUs

And the guy can't work on it without being paid

IDK when's the situation going to be fixed

[subtle flare]

No not that

I think my 4090 has stuttering issues since it's displaying 4k output but downgrading it to 1080p conversion

Hopefully a better monitor leaves me no stutter

[fleet canopy]

If it's doing for 4k, then just downgrade it to make it render true 1080p

[merry bay]

if I had a 4090 and a 1080p monitor I'd use 4x DSR or DLDSR often, superior anti aliasing, and most likely the GPU wasn't anywhere near 100% utilized before anyway

[bright shard]

considering a 7900xt caps this shit with room to spare at 2-3k, something is definitely wrong with his setup.

deep 1% lows at 100+ fps is very worrying.

[subtle flare]

Yea

Latest version of Windows 11 Pro

See, all you guys are saying is what I was thinking

I know the 4090 is a waste on 1080p but it should have exceptional frames and shit etc

I have absolutely no idea what’s going on

[fleet canopy]

yeah maybe windows 11 problem

[subtle flare]

I mean, I do have high fps it’s just hella stuttering

[fleet canopy]

Windows is known to be pretty fucking shit with certain stuff relating to gaming

maybe you could attempt reverting to win 10

[subtle flare]

Damn it then

Because I’ll have to reinstall everything

[fleet canopy]

Oh :p

[bright shard]

windows moment

[twilit crow]

Windows 11 is absolutely terrible for a lot of things, I think reverting to Windows 10 would offer more functionality and stability for most people.

I don't know about you, but it takes me about an hour to install most things I need on a Windows system. You can use https://ninite.com to procure most applications semi-autonomously.

[fleet canopy]

yeah windows 10 just has a much more mature software support I suppose

Windows 11 is just not it, whether it be function or the form

Can't believe they made a pos OS that does fuckall at being an accessible easy to use OS and more like some mind numbing poorly developed UI for a program

[formal plume]

holy shit this

Win11 supposed to make things more accessible? total bullshit

we all live in the inbred siblings of Windows 8

[subtle flare]

I'm pulling max 80 watts on GTFO

That seems very wrong

[north elk]

"Windows 10 will be the last, after that, it will only be incremental updates"

[formal plume]

fucking 5 years and they gave up

[north elk]

The fact that W10's EOL is slowly closing in

[formal plume]

GTA 5 holds stronger than fucking Microsoft

[formal plume]

2 more years :copium:

[north elk]

[subtle flare]

Look how low the GPU and Memory clocks are

^ That's just fast flicking

Reseated GPU and RAM

[subtle flare]

IM SO DUMB GUYS

I FIXED IT

@fleet canopy @formal plume @twilit crow @bright shard I just had to decrease the polling rate of my mouse from 8000 Hz to 1000 Hz

I have no idea why it impacts performance that hard

7900x is still a respectable CPU

2000 Hz runs smooth

4000 Hz brings it down to a min of 40 FPS

[north elk]

damn

[subtle flare]

Yea Imma keep it at 2000 Hz

Fuck 8000

[formal plume]

weird

maybe that explains my FPS issues lul

[subtle flare]

At least 4000 Hz is playable

8000 isn't at all

Finally seeing that 1500 FPS

[dry hollow]

Im curious if the mouse's software has high CPU usage when it's set to 8000

NVM you showed the CPU usage earlier, super odd

[subtle flare]

Yea I have no idea

[twilit crow]

What the actual....?!

[subtle flare]

I know right

It was literally just dropping the polling rate

Which shouldnt even be a GPU thing but moreof a CPU thing

[twilit crow]

Right. That's my mission today then. Ffs.

[subtle flare]

Maybe when I upgrade to the 7950X3D I'll be able to run 8000 Hz

[twilit crow]

Polling rate is not something I'm well researched on, not had the need to, untill right now. What is it?

[subtle flare]

The latency of your mouse, basically

Higher the polling rate, the less "latency" you have on your mouse, aka responsiveness

[twilit crow]

I just researched it too, exactly what I found.

8000hz though.... 🤭

[subtle flare]

According to Corsair though you need at least an AMD Ryzen 7 (2nd Gen) in order to run 8000 Hz

So that just leaves me to believe that the games I'm currently playing just simply don't support it

And it can't register

[twilit crow]

I wonder how it'd work in Linux....

[subtle flare]

[twilit crow]

I'll get back to you guys on that! 😉👍

[subtle flare]

My old laptop is the only one I dual-booted

Don't have an extra drive on my PC to dual boot

Unless I remove both ~75 gb games from my 860 Evo

[twilit crow]

Oof. So I am looking into a Portable Windows 7 and 10 installation on an SD card atm.

Thinking one day I might actually need to use that hunk of junk.

[subtle flare]

I suppose I’ll have to test 8000 Hz tomorrow then, when my 240 Hz OLED monitor comes in

Just need to find a game where it supports it too

[twilit crow]

So I checked my polling rate, it's set to 1000mhz so I think i'm good 😄

My mouse doesn't support anything over, but it's smooth enough for my personal liking.

[bright shard]

i can do 1500 but i dont like that when i drag a window over in windows 10 it sticks to the monitor border so strongly.

[twilit crow]

I got the Logi g305, stick some Li-Ion AA batteries in there and you're golden 👌

[bright shard]

ancient land-before-time logitech g502

with most of the rubber texture worn away by the stains of time

[twilit crow]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vicloon-Electronics-Earphones-Accessories-Multifunctional/dp/B09SM2XX6F

Ignore the 'earpod' bullcrap. I use these at work to get into nooks and crannies including charging ports, speakers, microphones and getting grit out of mice.

[bright shard]

i dont know why you specifically linked this to me

[twilit crow]

Use a bit of IPA/ISO-100 with it though

[bright shard]

however i like it, so i've wishlisted it for when the next time my carts at free shipping

although my IEMs dont really get dirty

[twilit crow]

Fair enough, I am considering getting another, one OTG and another for home.

[fleet canopy]

Check videos about that

[twilit crow]

I am borderline obsessed with maintenance.

[fleet canopy]

Frankly any more than 1000hz is pointless and just asks for waaaaay too much info for what's not really a great bonus as it tanks perf like insane

2000hz surely okay but overall just don't need to have more than 1000

[bright shard]

that is so goddamn weird

my sens is at 2600 and polling at 1k

[fleet canopy]

Yeah but the higher poll rate, the more it updates in a second

And 8000 is absurd

4000 as well

[bright shard]

i am a decrepit old man, my flesh is becoming dust, my movement does not vary so delicately to need greater than 1khz

[fleet canopy]

:p

Wouldn't matter really, no PC can realistically do well above 2000

Plus no cpu today I believe can do 8k poll without taking a fucking fat shit on your performance

And it'll probably be many more years later

Well maybe I'm wrong on CPU not being good enough yet

But here

https://youtu.be/FGcO8O4johc?t=301 timestamped

So pretty much it might just be that GTFO just has no support for 8k

[fleet canopy]

It's really just the minimum everyone should have anyway

It's also just what almost every mice runs today

[bright shard]

non gaming mice get set to 500, which is what the win10 UI is tested around.

which brings up weird UI quirks the higher you go

[fleet canopy]

I never had a problem at all using 1000 during my windows usage

[bright shard]

ive noticed some features in windows react increasingly faster at a higher polling

[fleet canopy]

I guess

Haven't used anything lower than 1000 in so many years

[bright shard]

but nothing that i would identify as a problem

just lots of, "oh, thats kind of weird"

youll notice it if you swap between a work PC and a PC with a gaming mouse a lot.

[delicate dome]

Hey there everyone. The wonderful Professor Scaler sent me this way, and I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to help me.

I am a content creator, and have been working on making some GTFO videos. I use OBS and Audacity. I play on 1440p, with Geforce optimized settings.

Specs:
3070
5800X
16GB Ram

I am having an issue with recording the game, sadly.

In game, it runs totally fine. Solid frames, no dips or stutters, etc It runs flawlessly, but when I go check the recordings, there are several several times it's like it all stops working. The video will freeze, my Audacity audio will drop, but I can still hear the game audio. After about 2-5 minutes, everything will be back to normal and I can edit actual working video again. I'd say at least 60% of footage and audio is totally unusable.

Audacity mentions CPU usage, but other than that, I have no idea why it would be doing this.

I've recorded tons of games and never had this issue before, IE Tarkov, Hell Let Loose, Ready or Not, etc

If anyone has any suggestions, do let me know. Only thing I've tried is to turn down the CPU usage setting to "Small".

Professor Scaler said he uses an older PC with a 1070 to record, and never has any issues with it, which I thought was strange.

Thank you!

[bright shard]

Is your footage drive the same as your os drive. What type of drive is it?

[delicate dome]

Now that you say this, it's saving to an external HDD. Could be the issue? Like I said though, hasn't happened to any other games so far.

[bright shard]

Can you crystaldiskmark it for me?

[bright shard]

I don't think it's particularly the problem, i was more concerned with it being your OS drive.

[delicate dome]

I am away from my main PC atm, but I could try that program in an hour or so. Never used it before though, just fyi.

[bright shard]

It is greatest of idiots proof

Also i hope you are not using flv

Use mkv probably

[delicate dome]

No, not using flv lol mkv is what I am using I think

MP4 actually now that I think about it.

[twilit crow]

I - unfortunately have nothing to contribute to this at the moment. Once you run CrystalDisk. Please show us the results. If it turns out the bandwidth is too low then you'd either be looking at a replacement cable and or drive.

Aside from that I could only suggest reinstalling affected applications along with all of their dependencies, right after you use Bleachbit in-between installations.

[delicate dome]

Of course, sorry I was not able to get the results yet. Something came up at work so I wasn't able to go do the test.

[twilit crow]

Oh. Whilst it's on my mind, to test the cable bandwidth, transfer a 3gb file to and from the HDD and look at the transfer speeds, then cross-reference that with the bandwidth your recordings use, cross-check that with your CrystalDisk results.

[delicate dome]

Is this what you guys need, or is more required? @twilit crow @bright shard

[dry hollow]

Have you tried using shadow play to see if you have the same issue?
Not saying you should switch but it would help narrow down a hardware or software problem

[bright shard]

thats crystaldiskinfo, you want crystaldiskmark

same guys, different tool.

[delicate dome]

Oh boy. My bad lmao BRB

Try this. Sorry about that

[delicate dome]

I've not tried that yet, but definitely will.

[bright shard]

wait, is that a 8tb drive?

[bright shard]

you need to run 16gb test

from what i can tell, this is an SMR drive, write performance will eventually crater unless the writing gets cached to memory when the drive cant keep up.

[delicate dome]

So basically, the writing is slowly started to not be able to keep up with the recording?

running 16GiB now btw

[bright shard]

thats what i think is happening, and will occur more on a populated drive, because SMR dictates you must rewrite adjacent rows when writing

[delicate dome]

Here's the 16gb test.

Any idea as to why it only happens with GTFO so far? I guess I could always just record to my main SSD and then move the files over?

[bright shard]

hmm......

i'd rather you not record to the ssd so you dont wear it out

@delicate dome are you on windows 10, and what version of OBS are you using.

[delicate dome]

Win 11, OBS ver. 29.0.0

You are also correct btw, it is an SMR drive. Had no idea about that sort of thing until you mentioned it.

[bright shard]

you might want to try increasing OBSs process priority

[delicate dome]

Will do will do

[clear gazelle]

i need some help

why cant i screen shot with the xbox game bar

is it bc of the win 11 update?

i try to uninstall and reinstall that but it still not work

[subtle flare]

@clear gazelle If you’re going to just screenshot then just use Windows Snip. Keyboard shortcut is Windows + Shift + S keys

[formal plume]

^^^

[fleet canopy]

If you do want the entire display, print screen does that quickly

Not the most consistent for me tho

[bright shard]

i find the chords of printscreen work better

but if im capturing a game, i'll use my steam keybind

[ivory notch]

whats a good recommendation for a GPU these days?
I use my PC every day for gamming things like GTFO Elite Dangerous league and I play VR fairly often as well (the most intense game for VR I can think of is Green Hell).
I have a widescreen and normal monitor as well I use and though I currently have a 2080 it seems to not be keeping up with VR at least anymore so im hard wondering if getting something new isnt a bad idea

[subtle flare]

Try a 3070 @ivory notch

If you have a widescreen anything above 3070 is fine

Can handle VR too

Elite Dangerous isn't too graphics heavy (compared to other games)

[ivory notch]

i figured as much. so anything over a 3070 you would say would keep up with anything I could throw at it? or would you say a 3070 is kinda best right now?

[subtle flare]

3070 budget wise

3080/3090 if you can afford it and/or can find one

Top of the line right now is the 4090

Doubt you'll be able to find an 7900 XTX right now

[ivory notch]

I heard 4090s arent really worth it

[subtle flare]

Out of stock and would wait until AMD fixes their batches

[subtle flare]

If you buy it from a scalper, then no

If you have the money and it's in stock, then yea

[ivory notch]

XD thats never worth it true

is it possible my 2080 is just getting a bit hot? I mean it should be still good to run most things right?

I just dont understand why y VR studders now and I heard the fans spin up the other day...

[fleet canopy]

Honestly the 4090 scalped prices aren't so bad

I can find a lot of them for 2000$, which is faaaaar better than 2300-3000$ lol

Only an extra 400$, which tbf if you're spending for a 4090 build and it'd be like 3.5-4K for the PC, yeah I don't really see too much of a problem with an extra 400$ I guess

[subtle flare]

I paid less than $2k USD for mine, with tax included

Paid $1.9k

Not a lot, but still better than scalped

[fleet canopy]

Only about 100$ saved, but hey that's still 100$

[ivory notch]

true

[subtle flare]

I would’ve paid $1.8k if I shipped my parts elsewhere

So my ballpark would’ve been $1.7-1.8

[fleet canopy]

Only feasible option it looks to me is a 4090 from nvidia's shop or maybe the closest (45-60 minute) microcenter has a 4090

Which honestly would be low chance for microcenter cause I live in the US

Seems nvidia just has a link to best buy having 1600$ which lol out of stock

[ivory notch]

i mean good deals always go out of stock especially with best buy

[bright shard]

an AIB 7900xtx/xt or 4080 would be my best bet for at MSRP

otherwise stalk buildapcsales for amd 6000 sales.

[ivory notch]

good to know 🙂

[bright shard]

as long as its not the AMD style cooler.

as a lot of the cards are just resold by AIBs

[ivory notch]

is there anything I can do while looking for a good price on something for my current GPU? like its still a 2080 so i feel like it should still be good.

[bright shard]

bump the power target?

[ivory notch]

or is it just getting warn out cause I use it so much?

[fleet canopy]

Everything that was 1600$ has been out of stock day 1

[bright shard]

bestbuy is shit

"in store only, 8 fucking hours away"

[fleet canopy]

Bestbuy can burn in the fire of hell for pc tech

[bright shard]

all local stores sold out

[fleet canopy]

lol

Absolute cunts

[bright shard]

fucking useless store

[fleet canopy]

But yeah

[bright shard]

also fuck staples for selling garbage office chairs

[fleet canopy]

I've never once heard of a 1600$ 4090 for a while

it would be just a lot of effort to go to microcenter which the chances are pretty slim if I say so myself cause it's probably been bought and is now being scalped somewhere

So the best option realistically for what I am is online

And that'd be 2000$ I guess

[bright shard]

i dont want to drive 3-4 hours to go to microcenter

any possible deal i can get is consumed by gas

[fleet canopy]

The 4090s that do get low like ebay, 1830$ for one is on bid

So that'd probably be outbought

There is a buy it now for 1860$

[bright shard]

buying from scalpers

[fleet canopy]

but honestly I don't trust ebay enough to spend my money for tech there lol

yeah

would be same for those 2000$ 4090s I guess

Unless it's not a resell and just asshole company

Microcenter is like a few states away which fuck that honestly

Probably cheaper to go with Gamers Nexus' route

Go somewhere in asia and spend money on 4090 ther

e

yeah

for free too

[bright shard]

its only borrowing if they know you take it

[warm wyvern]

Yall got any recommendations for the Contrast and gamma and stuff for the nvidia control panel? Default is awful and HDR makes screenshots and stuff horrible

[bright shard]

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

alternatively google "{monitor identifier} settings"

[warm wyvern]

thanks, i'll check it out

oh no.

[warm wyvern]

that helped a lot, still not quite as good as i want it but its more than enough, thank you so much!

[subtle flare]

Monstrosity

[fleet canopy]

Indeed

also lol that desk is so similar to my school's dorm desk

[subtle flare]

This panel hides my old one behind it

[subtle flare]

This will have to do

[fleet canopy]

Man that would not sit right for me lol

It's just annoying when you realize you're not actually looking at it center

[subtle flare]

I sit directly in the middle

So it's immersive and doesn't bother my OCD

[fleet canopy]

It's mostly the keyboard placement with the monitor and then the fact that the desk has limited space for you and your chair

[subtle flare]

Oh really?

It's centered

And I have plenty of leg room

[fleet canopy]

I've got sort of the same thing, it's kind of annoying just moving the monitor every time instead of just keyboard + mousepad which would be so much easier for me

I do have a new table but it's gotta get something fit in it first before I can really set it up there instead

[subtle flare]

I'm gonna get my own space and then it'll be cleaner

[fleet canopy]

The bottom company naming in the bottom of monitor makes me notice it not centered which is kind of annoying imo

I do wish it didn't have a side tilt tho lol

I can't tell whether it's a 0 degree orientation or if it's slightly off

[subtle flare]

Lmao

Just excuse the bad picture

[fleet canopy]

Pretty nice monitor tho, which one was it?

[subtle flare]

https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-45gr95qe-b

[fleet canopy]

makes me wonder if it's really 0.03 or 0.3ms

I'd give a confident answer of 1ms :p

[subtle flare]

It's 0.03ms

For sure, tested

It's a typo lol

[fleet canopy]

But clearly it's gotta be 0.03

And idk if it really is 0.3

Honestly still seems like an out of the world number that's not quite there yet

[subtle flare]

Yea seems unreal

[formal plume]

that's just the power of gamers

[fleet canopy]

grey to grey?

They measured using that

[merry bay]

for all we know the results could've been between 2-6ms with a once in blue moon value of 0.3ms being recorded
technically the monitor did it so lets slap it on the box

independent testing should be the only values worth looking at

[fleet canopy]

I've checked other OLED TVs and generally they go about 1-1.5ms, so as close as it is to true 1ms

And that's with gtg testing

So I would say it's fair to expect them to at least just all do average of 1ms

[merry bay]

yeah OLED don't go that high typically, was just an extreme example for monitors in general that the box value isn't to be trusted

with OLED's response times shouldn't be of concern, then you're just fighting to avoid burn in to make the display last

[fleet canopy]

Yeah

QD OLED really does seem like a great solution to solving the short time to burn in

[subtle flare]

It does but won’t be released till later half of the year

I was eyeing MSI’s panel

[fleet canopy]

Would be great if they're gonna last close to 10 years

[subtle flare]

They just make the panels so darn big

Samsung had a working model and MSI didn’t

[fleet canopy]

Yeah that'll just transfer to smaller displays eventually

[subtle flare]

Eventually being like next year or some shit

💀

[fleet canopy]

yeah that's not really bad

[subtle flare]

Needed a new monitor

I wish the QD OLED was out Q1

Didn’t have a choice to wait

[fleet canopy]

Twenny giggle bites

[celest island]

Ooo

[fleet canopy]

poddy send me a 4090

[bright shard]

glad i fucking got an AIB cooler, it would have sucked ass to have weird thermals.

[lethal stag]

Getting this issue with Airpods on PC...
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/airpods-not-working-in-stereo-mode-hands-free/34146ed6-814c-4804-a4db-3ca98282f73a
can't use mic when playing GTFO

[placid sentinel]

bane of all bluetooth everywhere.. high quality sound and mic usage does not mix, unless highly sophisticated proprietary drivers and protocols in use

even disabling mic on a bluetooth headset, enjoying pristine hifi sound on a game and mic'ing with another device, out of the blue windows decides "it's time to test your bluetooth mic" and bt-mode change, no changing back without quitting game. infuriating.

[subtle flare]

I used to use AirPods, I just wouldn’t recommend it at all. Yes, my mic work. How did I sound? “You sound like you’re muffled as shit bro. Like you’re underwater.”

Just don’t use AirPods

[austere cradle]

Anybody know why my frame rate drops from 100 to 60 when loading a bunch of things in, specifically when triggering alarms? I have an RTX 3070ti, core i9, and LPDDR5 (4800 MHz), yet there are times when the frame rate tanks.

[bright shard]

Your memory is dog slow. Like the slowest that ddr5 comes.

Like, they physically cannot run slower

Like, do you have a laptop?

[fleet canopy]

If it's a laptop, you're kind of outta luck

However if it's a PC, invest in something like DDR5-6000Mhz at CAS32

That seems to be the average good baseline speed but I also may be putting in an insane speed one and could get slightly slower speeds that do just as well but yeah

[ashen wing]

Just got a new keyboard and graphics card. Stoked af

[keen aspen]

oh my god

im going to snap

when i start gtfo the game goes for about 2 frames then stops. i still hear sounds, i can still interact with the game, i just see the screen frozen on one frame. alt tabbing out and back in gets me another frame then it freezes again. I. HAVE. TRIED. EVERYTHING. AND. LOOKED. EVERYWHERE. NOTHING. WORKS. when i alt f4 the game reports it's average framerate like my other games and it usually sayd like 90 fps. Man, if only i could SEE IT.

USUALLY, if i use windowed mode the game starts working, i guess my computer just doesnt like fullscreen. BUT GTFO JUST DOES NOT CARE

[exotic basin]

Loll

It's in my gpu box

picking up where someone left off on your setup is hard

I have this channel and two SE friends to help me

[shut basalt]

maybe try verifying integrity or reinstalling?

[keen aspen]

i did

[tardy jetty]

they look like AIO block mounters

[exotic basin]

the stuff in the background did come with my aio iirc

[tardy jetty]

i have a corsair H100i

240mm 2 fans

[exotic basin]

i got a nzxt aio and a nzxt case

[tardy jetty]

i got like almost all corsairp

[exotic basin]

tldr, my friend with some pc experience insisted in helping me out because my tech knowledge is from like a week of looking at youtube vids

when he said he was rusty, i felt that when i was doing the case myself

[tardy jetty]

just lookout for air circulation when getting your case

and space for cables

i have a corsair 4000x and its really nice

[exotic basin]

when i was working on it for a few hours, i was like, does this cable from my aio go to my motherboard that has the aio pins on it, or do i plug it in a usb2 port on bottom of mobo

then life and work happened, and its been put aside

aio, cable management, psu, that one standoff i found today, like main prios once i get the time

[exotic basin]

got it thanks man

[spice thicket]

Yo Babies,

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[merry bay]

if we were to follow your advice, your link falls in that category too

[spice thicket]

what, did I promise you anyth----

oh got. Stupidalert.

Just received it on my other account, this is what it looks like.
You piece of gaslighting sh!t.

THIS IS FAKE

IF YOU RECEIVE SUCH A MESSAGE, IGNORE IT AND BLOCK THE PERSON.

[dry hollow]

I think dude just read the "DO NOT click ANY links where ANYONE". I don't think he was gaslighting you, he just jumped the gun to reply

[twilit crow]

Is the issue yet to be resolved?

If so, i'll be keen to acquire more information to look into this issue.

[twilit crow]

Thanks for the heads up, I had a sweetiecoin one recently from another server. Might I please ask everyone to practice proper cyber-hygiene and verify all links before interacting, and if it is looking to be a scam; don't click it, and please report it 😄

[spice thicket]

nod nod

They were typing me with an account I never spoke to before
from a harmless, very innocent server

and was probably a hacked account that went through the user list.

Meaning: everyone is sooner or later affected, because sooner or later someone is somewhere on a server or has someone in their friendslist. It spreads easily.

Also, again, majority of the people here will be safe because they won't buy into it. But it's good to be reminded once in a while to educate others, especially to tell younger peopole and the elderly to be careful on the internet.

[fleet canopy]

Sweetiecoin? Now I definitely want that

[twilit crow]

They offer all sorts, chocolate bitcoin, vannila Montero, all sorts, bit it's all looking and no touching 😉

[fleet canopy]

Damn, lame shit

[bright shard]

gimmie chocomint coin

[formal plume]

if anyone falls for a random DM saying that they're giving away free crypto ITS NATURAL SELECTION AT THAT POINT

[bright shard]

Did someone say free crypto?

Where do i put my banking info

[upper dove]

Yourcomputerhavevirus.com

[lethal stag]

heard that msi afterburner causes shuttering, is it fixed or nah?

[fleet canopy]

Never experienced it with my afterburner

Then again I use it just to display temp and usage so I can't say for the other features like OC

[formal plume]

Afterburner lost support

devs stopped being paid because of political stuff

in Russia

so that software is going to fade into the depths

[ivory notch]

If I replace my 2080 with a say 3090 will my 850 power supply still keep up with that?

[fleet canopy]

yeah that's pretty good

You'll be fine

[ivory notch]

does anyone care to help me out and give their opinion on these 3 options as to which one they think is best?

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3060-gv-n3060gaming-oc-12gd/p/N82E16814932433?Item=N82E16814932433

https://www.newegg.com/pny-geforce-rtx-3090-vcg309024tfxppb/p/N82E16814133807?Item=9SIAN7CJSE9969

https://www.newegg.com/p/1FT-00EY-00008?Item=9SIBF3CJ4M6795

I will also accept someone saying all 3 suck and giving a different recommendation

[fleet canopy]

Not sure if you were intending on getting a 3060 in the first link :p

[ivory notch]

IDK ha ha I mean its more just me wondering if the others are worth spending more on i guess?

the 3090 honestly seems best of the 3 um but im no expert so I thought i would ask others to see if I was missing something

[fleet canopy]

Ah ok

3080 Ti being 140$ more than the 3090 indeed

And that 3080 ti is also on a sale

What a deal

Well what monitor resolution and refresh rate are you looking to do @ivory notch

[ivory notch]

Im looking acctually for a better VR experiance more than anything. My GPU is starting to get a bit warn down and its showing mostly in the VR department.
my monitor is a widescreen though with a 200hz refresh rate and is 2560x1080

[fleet canopy]

well it doesn't really seem like you need a 3090 I suppose, only optional, a 3080/Ti would be a good choice

Tho none of the 3080 Ti seems to have a price cheaper than the 3090 you listed

Least for newegg

[ivory notch]

I just noticed it but I think thats cause its used acctually. I think the normal price for that 3090 is much higher

[fleet canopy]

well maybe cause it's a ti ig idk honestly

Just go for the cheaper one lol

Which would just be a 3090 at this point

[ivory notch]

cool thanks for the help

[ivory notch]

ok one last question. I know it might be a bit "overkill" but for less than $100 more I can get this 4070TI thats New rather than Used Like New
would that be better?
https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-zt-d40710j-10p/p/N82E16814500546?Item=N82E16814500546

[fleet canopy]

I saw a video of it that was horrible

It's like a 3090 but worse lmao

[formal plume]

^^^

[fleet canopy]

The bit bus on the 3080 Ti/3090 is much more

[formal plume]

40 series is shitty unless you have money to burn for a 4090

[fleet canopy]

Used to be a 4080 12GB claimed to only have 4GB less or 8GB less idk

But it wasn't just the VRAM, it was a lot of the specs that they changed

And yeah 4090 is the only good card in the entire lineup of the RTX 4000 series cards unfortunately

[ivory notch]

ok thats a fair point and very good to know. 40s are off the list XD

thats sad but really good to know while Im shopping around

[fleet canopy]

If you wanted any of the special RTX features, AMD probably wouldn't be too much of an option, but you could look into a 6900XT

[ivory notch]

would I have any worries that it wouldnt work with my system? im not building from scratch this time. I dont imagine it would be a problem though right?

[formal plume]

I mean bottlenecks can happen

[fleet canopy]

He was looking into a 3080 Ti/3090 so I mean the 6900XT is sort of an equivalent

Mostly equivalent to a 3080 Ti

Newegg doesn't seem to sell them cheaper than listed 3090

Only cause I can't find the used filter for some reason

[ivory notch]

yeah but its a good price especially sense its new from what im seeing here. 670 for what I see here

[fleet canopy]

For the 6900XT?

[ivory notch]

its out of stock but its a good option if I dont get that used one instead

yeah

[fleet canopy]

Out of stock is just out of stock

it might as well be like that forever idk honestly

[ivory notch]

ha ha with new egg honestly that is pretty true

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6900-xt-rx6900xt-ocf-16g/p/N82E16814930057?Item=N82E16814930057&Description=6900XT&cm_re=6900XT-_-14-930-057-_-Product&quicklink=true

[fleet canopy]

Amazon has it at like 700$ for an MSI 6900xt

compared to 3090 idk

I'd still go 3090 since it's only 70$ extra for newegg

It is for a new 6900XT tho

[ivory notch]

the problem with shopping PC parts am I right? XD

I mean that 3090 should still be good even if its used right? normal price is like $1900 vs the $770 i would get it for used

[fleet canopy]

The people who are selling the 3090 for anything close to 1400$ or more are just stupid

I wouldn't spend more than like 600-700$ just cause the new gen cards just outright do the same, or somewhere in the same range (the disease known as 4070 Ti) for similar pricing (ignoring the overpriced fire of hell)

[ivory notch]

yeah thats a good point. no reason to worry about it being used either right? I mean its a massive upgrade from the 8GP ram my current one has alone

[atomic harbor]

Anybody know why my NVIDIA FPS display won’t show on games?

[subtle flare]

Do you have it enabled in settings?

[atomic harbor]

yes

[subtle flare]

Are you pressing the right keybinds? Perhaps you changed them?

Should be ALT + R

Default

[plain oak]

What is the best pre built money can buy (asking for a challenge)

[bright shard]

a boot to the head - 75 USD on sale

[keen aspen]

still doesn't work

what information do you need?

[twilit crow]

As much as can be provided.

Full system specs including the operating system, service pack and a DXDiag would not hurt to start off with.

Make sure all game files are verified too via steam.

[twilit crow]

A rough overview of what you're using, any launch commands you might be running with GTFO. If it is vanilla or modded etc.

[pine cobalt]

hmm, you've made sure your graphics drivers are up to date?

[keen aspen]

I don’t mean to be rude, but when I say I’ve tried everything I could think of outside of opening this thing up, I meant it

[pine cobalt]

when you say this "USUALLY, if i use windowed mode the game starts working, i guess my computer just doesnt like fullscreen. BUT GTFO JUST DOES NOT CARE" do you mean for all games or just gtfo?

This is important^ because if it happens for other games its an issue with your system, if it's only gtfo then its an issue with the game itself

[keen aspen]

90% of my games don’t like full screen and if I use windowed mode they work again but gtfo still refuses to work regardless

What’s really weird is earlier today I tried to open it just to see what would happen and it actually worked and I was able to play a game with my friend. I don’t know why it decided to work now but it did even though I literally did not change anything at all. Also the fps meter was innacurate because it said ~20 fps but it felt more like 60

[pine cobalt]

what video card are you running if you don't mind me asking?

[keen aspen]

Video card meaning gpu?

[pine cobalt]

yeah

[keen aspen]

gtx 1660 ti

[pine cobalt]

Had an issue very similar to this with my 1060 and, I fixed it by messing with the scaling and resolution in the nvidia settings.

[pine cobalt]

good luck!

[abstract kite]

I bought a gaming PC and it has less storage then my ps4 💀

[coarse shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-chandler-sad-gif-24970034

[abstract kite]

how tf I get more space in this thing

I'm honestly brain dead when it comes to PCs

[formal plume]

you kick it until it says more storage because it's a naughty computer

[abstract kite]

it just keeps flashing pink and making noises

[abstract kite]

Any lads here whos excellent at microscopic hardware fixing who can give me tips on how to tackle this issue? i sent it to a repair shop and they said its 50 50 fixable but ive seen LTT and other people have worse and managed to get it back and running

[subtle flare]

Be very, very careful

[abstract kite]

sent it into the repair shop

[subtle flare]

At that extreme angle it can easily snap because of how brittle it is

Not really brittle

[abstract kite]

i managed to only do these ones tho my self

[subtle flare]

Since metal is malleable but at that angle it’s weak

[subtle flare]

Oh jeez

[abstract kite]

right side i managed to somehow bend them back in place with just pure knife and flashlight

the repair shop promised to re-solder if it breaks but they cant guarantee if it will work or destroy my future parts

ive seen LTT and De8auer resolder it and it works for them

[subtle flare]

If the repair shop is any good they should be able to resolder it well enough (if it comes to that)

[abstract kite]

yeah they are high rated and said they have fixed all of bent pins but never had this challenge before

even the offer they sent me i should "reconsider buying a new"

but the point is i was selling my shit to save money

lmao i was legit cleaning it and my finger slipped and now im losing my shit i cant sleep or eat
i decided to gamble my luck by doing 70 bucks for repair even if they fail i basically lose no money or aprox 10 bucks or so

like broken ones sell for 60 bucks either way or more max 70 tho

[subtle flare]

Should be fine

Main importance is connection

[abstract kite]

u think it will be fine

if they go very slow

[subtle flare]

If they do it right

[abstract kite]

they explained they have microscope and high precision tweazers

but they dont use hot air :/

ive heard hot air is important key for them to be "more bendy and less breaky" but the guy said no they dont do that they do pure bending with tweazers

[subtle flare]

Yea

Idk

I’d use hot air and a razor blade

Tweazers without hot air could make the pins snap

[abstract kite]

;(

[subtle flare]

Razors without hot air is doable but must be taken very slow

[fleet canopy]

Kinda surprising they don't have something to generate hot air

[abstract kite]

same if they have soldering kit lol

like hot air is the number one tool to have if ur a repairman

even the school i used to go for hardware n shit had that shit in shed

[subtle flare]

Hair dryer

[abstract kite]

but then again were talking about my country which is doo doo and has really poor experts and this was only one left

ill legit bring them my hair dryer

roventa 10000

[subtle flare]

Become your own repair shop and dominate them all

[abstract kite]

but yeah he said 50 50 it breaks but idk how much u guys say

i almost broke down in call with them i was asking them to be very gentle and put all of their strength in it i felt my legs wanting to die off and falling off when i asked is my case similar to what they had before and they said its worse

pro tip: dont buy NZXT kraken AIOs because apperently their shitty liquid evaporates within 4 yrs which is main cause of this

[fleet canopy]

Air cooling superiority indeed

[abstract kite]

now im getting flashes of what can happen when they are testing out the mobo with my cpu i gave them and the ram

it will fry my perfectly working 9900k

😭

ram is also around 500 usd mark

[subtle flare]

I’ve never really liked NZXT

Always went Corsair

[abstract kite]

i only went for it because pump control n shit

[subtle flare]

Though rn I went MSI

[abstract kite]

i really dont like PWM controlled bios pump

my only option is arctic freezer

idk which aio to go for next that is 280mm and offers software pump control

also how does liquid even evaporate if its closed loop, i admit i mounted it wrong way sorta the pump was lower than the tank itself when it was supposed to be lowered BUT i didnt know shit about it so rip

[bright shard]

water will migrate out of the loop through the tubing.

either through the plastic itself or through micro holes.

[abstract kite]

didnt notice any dropplets or heard it leak

all i noticed was gradual temp increase down the yrs so this yr i noticed most of issues but i thought it was just my pc being goofy

[formal plume]

my BF said I had a micro hole

[bright shard]

if they dont have any actual leaks they lose about .02 ml per year

you wont hear it leak in any case

any leaks probably evaporate faster than they can build up

so youd never see them anyway unless catastrophic

[ivory notch]

Hey so I just got a new 3090 to replace my old 2080 but now the thing is loud. Like non stop booted fans and I don't get it... it's only don't it with my VR games but my old 2080 never did that so now I'm wondering if that's normal or what?

[bright shard]

ok, did you check temps?

[ivory notch]

Honestly idk how

[bright shard]

install MSI afterburner

make sure you get it off the actual MSI website

[ivory notch]

Ok good to know. Still seems weird that my 2 year old card was quiter than my new card but hey maybe it's broken 😕 🤔

[fleet canopy]

https://www.msi.com/Landing/afterburner/graphics-cards

It most definitely is not the malware ad site

[bright shard]

there can be a variety of issues with cards out of the box

for people that show up in here

[formal plume]

I mean thats been a big issue lately

since a company can just pay Google tons of money to be on the top result

[ivory notch]

I got the MSI afterburner and temps seem to reach 70c and just before it even gets there the 3 fan ramp up to 100% dropping it to lke 60c while never slowing down.

they are very loud and it seems to me like its overkill?

[fleet canopy]

70c is alright imo

80c is kinda concerning especially when it's not really a high end GPU, for example my 2070 Super

Unfortunately that goes 80-85c in gaming tho

so llo

[bright shard]

Personal recommendation is run furmark for 2 minutes, start lowering fan speed from 100% until you hit 70c, then base your msi afterburner fan curve off that @ivory notch

If youre over 70c from the start, there's not much you can do other than improve your case airflow

[ivory notch]

well ill have to look into that. thankfully I have fans in the mail

[vast harness]

and I still don't have a CPU

[fleet canopy]

Poor

Can't afford anything after buying 3080 ti funny joke lmao

hahaha

[vast harness]

Ironically enough

I originally bought a 3080

but they sent a ti instead

saved money instead

[fleet canopy]

More like a better deal

Unless the prices for them are acceptable ish

But hey, only one off of a 3090

[twilit crow]

I use the Arctic freezer and tbh I 100% love it. I'm not all for the lack of control but the fact is 'it just works' makes it hassle free.

[bright shard]

Im a dual tower kinda guy

[ivory notch]

ok I am at a loss again. I have no idea why my fans keep spinning up randomly for 2 sec every like 5 seconds.
the temps reach maybe 71c and then everything gets loud even though im using MSI afterburner to lower the speed so it doesnt do it so often

and it only seems to do this for SOME VR games

now ive got it running at a consistent 68c and it still wants to be loud as hell

[bright shard]

friggin weird

[formal plume]

Windows

[tribal plank]

hey guys so i just got a pc and im told by a friend thats into pcs it was a real nice deal and wanted to start learning more about pc building and just overall more about pc and pc parts so i was wondering if anyone had any recommendations on where to start?

[bright shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL4DCEp7blY

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHY6ygHj80c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5jFXl0GZJo

are both exhaustive guides for both picking parts and assembly.

for part discounts check out r/buildapcsales

[formal plume]

think there's one more channel that's good but can't remember

[tribal plank]

thanks alot ill save those videos and watch them i appreciate the recommendations

[fleet canopy]

Bitwit maybe?

Or perhaps uhh

Kristopher Yee

I know he's done builds that are dirt fucking cheap

[formal plume]

oh shit this was the one

it's more casual and non-nerdy

https://youtu.be/PXaLc9AYIcg

cause the issue with the LTT video is that it is too good

[fleet canopy]

Too nerdy

Too LTT

Plus 40 minutes less

[formal plume]

yeah the 40 minutes less and more straight forward approach can help in that way

the LTT one just dumps lots of information on you, while it is useful, can be daunting for a first time

[tribal plank]

im down for alot of information ill just rewatch them if i miss some information

[dry hollow]

I really like the video where Linus has the GoPro on his head so you see everything in his perspective

[hard pagoda]

alright y'all, I'm in the market for a new pair of headphones, mine are no longer functioning properly and the sound likes to cut out entirely whenever the port gets slightly touched. What recommendations do you all have for headphones/headsets? (I've got a standalone mic so there is no need for an included one)

[bright shard]

https://crinacle.com/rankings/iems/
https://crinacle.com/rankings/headphones/

[formal plume]

the absolute chad going "fine, I'll do it myself" when no one else had made an audio chart library

[bright shard]

crin truly deserves any praise he gets.

in a sea of bullshit amazon referral reviews, he gives the goods.

[formal plume]

and his recent purchase of $20k audio equipment to make more precise measurements
and updating the whole catalogue

I forgot if it was all

[bright shard]

using his list, not only did i get a baller IEM for below 100$, its also been the longest lasting, and best sounding

every other one has either literally fallen apart or the cable wore out

i hated IEMs before i perused his list

[formal plume]

yeah it is easy to get shitty IEMs but once getting the KBear KS2s they were exactly what I wanted out of earbuds

except Stalnotes Zero now holds the crown

[idle sphinx]

Seinheisser have been my go to for headphones. I’ve had one pair of 598cs that have lasted me for like 7 years at this point. They’re tough as shit and sound amazing.

[twilit crow]

Sennheiser are bloody 🔥🔥🔥
Only set I'll use until there are higher quality products on the market

[twin python]

@fleet canopy

[fleet canopy]

Sounds like some lawnmower/chainsaw running in someone else's backyard

[twin python]

LOL yeah

[twin python]

and it's constant

[fleet canopy]

it was dry as sand

:p

[twin python]

squeaky clean after tho

[fleet canopy]

Yeah pretty neat

[rotund ledge]

NSFW Gpu pics 🤨

[fleet canopy]

Is it NSFW because you can see my finger in the reflection from the GPU on clean image?

[twin python]

~~no cause the gpu is all undressed 🥵 ~~

is it difficult to take apart the gpu?

[rotund ledge]

Yes

[fleet canopy]

Not really that hard

You just unscrew part of the back of card, and then gotta unplug a couple cables you can get to on the sides

[rotund ledge]

I put a waterblock on my 3070 it was pretty easy

[fleet canopy]

You just pull it apart once all that's done

I had to refer to some guy not speaking english on taking it apart

The thermal pads I did nothing with

I did try taking off parts of the dust here and there but eh

Wasn't really the issue

[twin python]

doesn't seem too bad then but i feel like i'd still overstress the entire time

[twilit crow]

Please tell me that is thermal paste and not liquid metal.

[formal plume]

I don't think I've seen liquid metal that white before

[rotund ledge]

It's thermal paste. Liquid metal is always shiny and should never be on anything except the gpu dye.

[fleet canopy]

It is thermal paste

It just became dry as fuck

Used mx-4 for thermal paste

I don't think aib partners do liquid metal honestly?

[twilit crow]

Liquid Metal is bad for GPUs due to the risk involved and the nature of the cooling. It's essentially significantly more risk but marginal results.
It looks like it's barely on there and it shined like liquid metal 😛

[fleet canopy]

Ah :p

You can see the writing on the GPU, kinda surprised you thought it was liquid metal :p

[twilit crow]

Although yeah, there's no shine at all on the copper plate.

[fleet canopy]

Now the next thing I have left to do is my CPU

[twilit crow]

I use it on my CPU and it's ❄️

I use electrical tape to cover the surroundings if you're thinking of doing that though.

[fleet canopy]

Nah not really :p

[formal plume]

you scared them out of liquid metal and now you're trying to flex it?

[fleet canopy]

Maybe someday much much later

Nah not really scared of it

Just more like it's liquid metal

A bit more work to be careful than paste or a graphite pad thing

whatever the pad thing was I forgor

[formal plume]

yeah need to be careful around it but definitely don't need it unless doing OC

[fleet canopy]

yeah not really an OC guy myself

[twilit crow]

Graphite pads i've heard are proper solid material and are reusable.

[fleet canopy]

Most I would do is doing the RAM and probably the card since that'd be significant

Yeah I saw someone said it was pretty much a good equivalent of using a good thermal paste and it would last pretty long

[twilit crow]

Pretty much yeah. I'll favour liquid metal at the moment with the summer around the corner, my environment gets very hot 😓
Even with liquid cooling but the graphite pads are a solid all-rounder, especially for durability.

[bright shard]

If you dont lm proof the gpu surroundings with a coating, you deserve any suffering

Theres a whole process, relying on a steady hand and perfect application is lunacy

Your cooler also must be compatible

Lm is a cool solvent though

[formal plume]

^^^

do not use an all aluminum cooler

[fleet canopy]

Ok thanks

I will now use an all aluminum cooler and a liquid metal cooling solution

[subtle flare]

I’m running a graphite pad, highly recommend

Didn’t want to use paste and just have a tube with nowhere to place it

Good for no mess applications

[jade ermine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/724395214814576701/1073218791867154502/IMG_20230209_142503.jpg

get to play with water next week

[timber flax]

Interesting. I built my PC like last week and went with just a bunch of fans myself. I’m not unhappy with that granted. Though water stuff seems interesting

[jade ermine]

Fans don't go anywhere, They will just spin with very low rpm's if you have enough radiator surface area 🤌

[junior stone]

i found a deal on a 4070 Ti gpu. Dont know whos trying to buy one but I'll post it anyway

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-tuf-12gb-gddr6x-pci-express-4-0-graphics-card-black/6530813.p?acampID=0&ar=1799840179251824231&cmp=RMX&irclickid=1H1Su1WISxyNWXGzy8yzgS2dUkA39h3dLyAdzg0&irgwc=1&loc=Narrativ&mpid=376373&nrtv_cid=aa1480aefa8f95d0d3104fba65f0b41d91349d1b66ab920916f83aa877cf3067&ref=198&skuId=6530813&utm_source=narrativ

well its 800 bucks.. kinda of a deal right?

[fleet canopy]

Eh, idk

800$ for a xx70/Ti NVIDIA card imo is just too much

[subtle flare]

Inflation and price gauging at its finest

You won't find a better deal in the current market

Market's shit and tech companies just want all the profit

There's really nothing you can do

Probably will never revert back to the good old days

It's just how it'll be

[fleet canopy]

I'd recommend just taking a look at the rtx 3000 series instead

They should be in a nice price in the used section

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFytB3bb1P8

Should show you it shouldn't be bad getting some used card off a miner

[subtle flare]

If you want a brand new card, you're going to have to suck up the price since it's just how money works

You'll be more flexible if you buy a used GPU

Ultimately depends on what you want, but you won't be able to do anything about next gen prices

[fleet canopy]

Yeah, but you can find fairly good prices from used miners I suppose

It is kinda rng of course but it probably isn't really a high chance of a scam/false description

[snow lagoon]

Just drop into the complex and steal an RTX 4090, they're everywhere

[subtle flare]

They're more like 8090s

[snow lagoon]

Maybe I'd be able to get more than 40FPS in garden tileset with one of those

[harsh silo]

I thought people didn't buy them because the thermal pads were totally fucked

[lethal stag]

You mean go to R7D2 mainframe room and grab some GPUs? Ok

[fleet canopy]

Well if the thermal pads are fucked, you can replace them

I can understand many don't want to buy cause lol they have no experience and don't wanna bother

But if you can do it, it's really not even an issue

[harsh silo]

my main concerns are both that there's no warranty, and the VRAM could be fucked

[fleet canopy]

You really aren't gonna get a warranty unless you pay for some overpriced card from the manufacturer which is kind of ehh

Unless it's like you want to pay for a 4090 which good luck with that since I'm pretty sure a lot of people still wanna grab one so it's either be lucky for 1600$ or pay a 2000$ price anywhere else

For the lower tiers, absolutely nothing even seem worth paying for except some last gen cards

And the last gen is ofc all used

[bright shard]

If you can get used 3070+ series in the sub 150 usd range, that would be a buy for me.

Ebay is slim pickings

[formal plume]

thermal pads are completely replaceable though

[fleet canopy]

Yeah but he also says about VRAM

which idk

does mining really use VRAM

Shouldn't really be more than the GPU itself

[formal plume]

it requires VRAM but unsure if it stresses it

[rotund ledge]

Heh mining requires usually 8gbs of ram, but the transfers are regular and predictable, which makes the vram chips wear out slower than usually gaming on the card. Linus Tech Tips made a video on that recently.

[fleet canopy]

Linus does mention this in the video, gaming tends to wear down your card way faster than mining does

Even then, I think it's a fair try to get a used GPU from a miner

[formal plume]

plus most of the time GPUs are taken care of from miners compared to gamers since they want max profits

[bright shard]

Depends where it was done tbh.

Could have been easily running them in outside air cooling or dust heavy environments

[harsh silo]

to be fair
those cards aren't old enough to normally die via silicon, so the fact that there is a bunch of dead ones shows that that logic can't be correct to the level that he explains

[heady perch]

hi, I want to upgrade my rtx 1650 with a gpu that has 8gb vram, I am between RTX3050 and RX6650, which one is better?

also thinking about RX5600 because it is cheaper but it has 6gb vram

[jade ermine]

Tried the game with 4090 for the first time

i like how the GPU usage is like 70% with 5120x1440p resolution max settings

[bright shard]

6700xt instead vs rtx 3050.
then get the 6700xt

otherwise drop down to 6600xt and get that over the 3050

RT is a non option at this price point, whereas either AMD card have significant advantage in pure raster for this price point

[twilit crow]

I use the 6700XT and it is solid for the price.

I tend to clean my cards everyone once in a while and make sure it's all tip-top. I don't like the idea of my money going out the window for no good reason. So hardware maintenance for me is very important.

[formal plume]

RTX 3050 is such a meme

horrible value

[viral rapids]

4070TI goes brrrrrrrr

[fleet canopy]

The only value in the RTX 4000 is amazingly the 4090

Which I saw yesterday on amazon I saw a 1670$ 4090, and a lot of below 1900$ cards

Still got the usual 2000$+ but there's enough below the 2000$ price point you could grab a 4090 for close to the MSRP nvidia first gave it

[formal plume]

let me explain

if I sold one apple for $5
and I sold 3 apples for $11
which one is better value

obviously more people can afford one apple

[heady perch]

sorry to ping, what if 6650 is cheaper (I found it on sale right now), should I still get 6600. (aslo 6700 makes my cpu bottleneck)

[bright shard]

if it makes your cpu bottleneck simply increase your resolution/get a better monitor

[bright shard]

if you can get a 6650 cheaper than a 6600 i'd say go that route, unless the cooler on the 6650 is garbage

[heady perch]

thanks

[brittle osprey]

rip off i would never pay 5 dollars for an apple

[formal plume]

thats exactly the point I am making

[harsh silo]

i'm the guy to say get an ARC gpu

ironically it's actually fine now

it's like 50$ more than a 3050 but has way more potential headroom

[bright shard]

as a person who also used dxvk, im just putting it out there, you're still going to get a large number of graphical bugs

[harsh silo]

intel's going ham with updates, so i'd hope it doesn't last too much longer

they already fixed DX9 recently

[bright shard]

if something looks like it runs like shit on protondb, it probably also runs like trash on intel cards

[bright shard]

they fixed dx9 because they gave up on their translation layer and moved to dxvk

realistically, i think that was the correct move, but they did jack in terms of heavy lifting

[harsh silo]

I was just trying to point out that they actually give a shit about their stuff

and won't just drop it after a year

that's one of the nice bits about intel

[bright shard]

realistically, im glad that they're using dxvk, because it means that they might actually contribute back majorly to dxvk, so we can stop using Dx, because its ancient garbage,

[harsh silo]

I just wish that CPU makers would move the hell on off of x86 stuff

40 year old design

can we like-
do something new yet

[bright shard]

yeah, problem is that cpu architecture isnt open source.

so they will NEVER EVER move off of x86, unless they're the ones developing it.

[harsh silo]

that's why ARM's going off

it actually HAS a future

wearas x86's future is NOW

so it SHOULD die by now

[bright shard]

the main problem is, that software would need to work on these new architectures without a translation layer, which is improbable.

[harsh silo]

I bet if they did linux would rise to power

which I don't wanna sound annoying but OHMYGOD PLEASE NO.

[bright shard]

because trying to get someone to support decade old software, and recompile it, is apparently impossible.

i've used linux for gaming for quite a while. its really not that bad

good luck getting obscure usb devices to work though

[harsh silo]

I tried it for half a year

(arch)

it uuhm

[bright shard]

thats your problem

[harsh silo]

kind of broke me.

[bright shard]

arch will break anyone not willing to self support their install

its a mess

[harsh silo]

it wasn't PLAIN arch
that's fucking suicidal for a windows user

I used garuda

[bright shard]

if you're looking for gaming, arch anything is a bad time

debian and fedora currently have passable support for gaming.

[harsh silo]

well
I also tried ubuntu

[bright shard]

realistically though, the separation of effort for linux gaming is a mess

[harsh silo]

which hilariously was even worse for me

made me want to cave in a wall with my cranium

[bright shard]

ubuntu with its ancient ass kernel is pure why

[harsh silo]

but yeah uhm

garuda was worse than having an ARC gpu at launch

DX9 games would not work

period.

spent like 4 hours finding support for it

[bright shard]

thankfully, if you're not on ubuntu, arc cards work alright in linux

because everything is basically dxvk

[formal plume]

R3 but it's actually a whole PC line up

[sly mason]

I think it would be issue more with card drivers than with garuda, and if garuda had issue wouldn't then arch had them?

On the other hand, does gtfo works for you on the newest Linux at all.?

[livid valley]

would anyone know if gaming on a kvm is a pain in the ass ? i heard battleeye would ban you if you were playing on a VM

[fleet canopy]

Does GTFO really have battle eye?

I don't think they have any anti cheat to my knowledge

I can't really offer anything since I have no clue how it is with VM gaming

[formal plume]

the only "anti cheat" is just Steam account verification and that Microsoft thing

part of the reason trolling has been an issue the past month

[fleet canopy]

yeah there are a lot of modders you'll encounter

It's not really so bad I suppose, I'm sure you can easily find a fairly consistent group or two

[livid valley]

im talking in general

[formal plume]

I assume it should run in a VM given how open the modding scene is

[sly mason]

Depends on how you configure your VM. Muda did great videos on how to pass video card to VM and configure for Windows to thinks its on bare metal.

[harsh silo]

Didn't test

[harsh silo]

Yeah uhm- no.
I would think a 1070 would have adequate support.

[sly mason]

Sorry didn't read back enough

[pliant sluice]

The game breaks every time I try to open it, I've verified all files and still nothing

any idea?

[fleet canopy]

Check out #1049599987878723635

[subtle flare]

Seems like GTFO just became worse in optimization for higher polling rate mouses

Now I can't even use 2000 Hz polling rate

[abstract kite]

Does anyone know AIO’s

[bright shard]

What's there to know

Also dont ask to ask

[fresh wave]

I can join lobbies, drop, then my game keeps booting me to main menu. I cannot figure out why. I have restarted Steam, my computer, and reinstalled. Still the same issue consistently. Been playing the game this week without issue.

[placid sentinel]

check free diskspace, someone had a crashing game all of a sudden, his free diskspace was less than 5gb .. he freed up space, crashing stopped

also appdata \ locallow \ 10 chambers collective \ gtfo \ player.log after crash, could be a clue there

[fresh wave]

Hm. Plenty of disk space left and the game isn't crashing, just shoots me back to main menu. It's dropping me from the lobby- I'm losing connection to the host or something.

Thanks for these, I wouldn't have thought of them!

[placid sentinel]

hmm usually its a disconnect of some sort if its back to rundown screen, might wanna look at the #known-issues stuff, vpn and especially the QoS software thingy (asus gamefirst and the like) ..

vpn's do steam proxy stuff u get to lobby up a-ok but once u drop, u start talking to a different set of ip addresses and if those route another way, host<-!->client (in some cases)

also if mods, cheats, whatever, game thinks u on diff revision or your expedition checksum turned out different, buh bye for that drop etc

[fresh wave]

Checked. Not seeing the issue I'm having specifically. The game indicates I'm connected to the server and the game doesn't fully crash, it just drops me from the lobby. No mods/cheats.

Wondering if someone in the lobby was using a VPN.

[placid sentinel]

shouldn't kill your connection per se .. if nothing else, do try a hotspot wifi or a phone-usb-tether, it could be something stupid like your isp being under ddos and having drop-small-udp temporarily in place

(seen that many times in my line o work)

[fresh wave]

Thank you, I'll keep this in mind in case other fixes don't work!

[fresh wave]

Okay, I've isolated the issue. I cannot drop R2B4. Every other mission works multiplayer without issue, but that one boots me back to menu OR kicks everyone from the lobby upon drop. Is there a way to submit the bug?

[placid sentinel]

theres a thread, old one, in tech support

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1050473304911257722

but yeh #bug-reporting

hope u figure it out, cool level except for fog and spitters == everything 🙂

[north elk]

I was about to point to this thread yeah

[vocal lion]

friend is trying to join but this happens before he gets booted whats going on

[placid sentinel]

its always r1a3, the middle screen on joining. for getting booted, once again #known-issues .. vpn/qos/mods/cheats usually.. 🙂

[subtle flare]

Not necessarily. It happens in vanilla too

When you are locating master or joining the lobby, it will say R1A3

It’s when it stays on R1A3 when that’s the issue

[placid sentinel]

yeh join failure can hang there while retry etc.. but all standard gtfo stuff, "cant join" usually network related... oooor cracked community version of game.. 🙂

[vast harness]

Short answer, no

[livid valley]

can you elaborate further ? there are no way to trick softwares into making it seem like it's running on a baremetal computer ?

[vast harness]

Yes

But it's kind of difficult and quite a mess

Mostly because it requires obfuscating all virtualized drivers by replacing them entirely with other ones

or that's what I understand about it at least

[vast harness]

Also on a small note, I was replying to the message you replied to lol

[vast harness]

To add on this. Anti-Cheat systems are constantly updated to fight the various types of possible obfuscation, so it's a tad unlikely that you will find a long lasting solution online

It's stupid arms race that just ruins it for everyone not doing sketchy shit

[livid valley]

yeah i checked out a github repo that guides you through this https://gitlab.com/Mageas/single-gup-passthrough
looks like a lot of work and i 100% agree that anti cheats will keep up with this. looks like if you want to play new releases you have to stuck with windows

[abstract kite]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-superintendent-odst-blinking-gif-16507163

[ivory notch]

Anyone up for giving a microphone suggestion?
My mute button on my mic seems to no longer be working so I'm in need of a new onr

[bright shard]

whats your setup like? you use headphones?

[ivory notch]

yes the headphones I use plug into my current microphone. they are just normal headphones I use for kinda everything

[bright shard]

you plug your headphones into your microphone?

also are they actually headphones or just earbuds or iems

[ivory notch]

they are actual headphones that have bluetooth and wire options so I just use the wire.
and yes I plug them into the mic with the wire

[bright shard]

do you use your mic outside of discord?

[ivory notch]

not really. maybe a few games here and there but zoom classses arent a thing for me anymore

[bright shard]

Id probably just bind a discord mic mute toggle

[ivory notch]

fair. i just preferer the botton to try and be sure its off and some backgroup app like alexa isnt stealing data

I have enough of that from google

[bright shard]

Mmm, fair, but discord is also definitely scraping your calls

[ivory notch]

true which is why outside of gamming I try not to use it so they dont have everything. if i want to say hi to a friend I just text them

[bright shard]

Id probably get a decent 50$ mic then have an inline usb switch

[ivory notch]

not a bad idea. ill look into that thanks

[bright shard]

Either that, or disassemble and clean the mic switch

Probably trivial to solder a new button

[formal plume]

sounds like a lot of hoops to jump through when your phone records you anyway

can't exactly disable that mic unless you take it out

[tall forum]

Did dev upgraded the texture? GPU usages seem higher after update

[formal plume]

impossible

it was a 70mb update

[merry bay]

altering config files doesn't take up space, impossible ain't the word

[subtle flare]

File compression too, no?

Steam downloads don’t reflect on the actual size of the game you’re downloading, at least of what I’ve seen from my downloads

[fossil junco]

Hello, randomly when I'm playing GTFO my AMD driver will randomly crash. It can be in the main menu, in game, wherever. It doesn't happen at a specific time, I've had it happen 3 minutes after booting the game in the main menu and I've played for 45m before its crashed. Any ideas why? I have a 7900xtx

[bright shard]

i would probably try this if youve not already ~~https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/10ue7mh/people_with_7900xtx_driver_timeout_crashing/~~

i would probably update to the most recent driver if you have not already

[fossil junco]

have done so and it doesnt fix it

[north elk]

I saw a possibly usefull answer

disabling MPO

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5157

The file's content looks legit

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Dwm]
"OverlayTestMode"=dword:00000005

They provide a .reg file to make the change for you, but if you'd rather do it by hand the key is HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Dwm, create DWORD OverlayTestMode with value 00000005.```

[terse musk]

Hey uh what do these go to and are they optional? I’m new to building pcs and I’ve hooked up every part needed so idk

They came with the case so idk

[bright shard]

looks like usb, front panel audio, usb 3+?, and a fan

[terse musk]

Idk where any of them go😭

[bright shard]

read motherboard manual "this is all the motherboard connectors" page

then read the case manual for what connectors are which

Example

[terse musk]

i figured it out yayyy

the rgb is working so thats a good sign

[terse musk]

Lmao I forgot about one of the most important steps

What do I do here?

[subtle flare]

I'd change your fan power mode if you have a PWM controller

And optimize fan curves

[clear gazelle]

i need some help

why do i have frame drop when i play gtfo

1 month ago it was really smooth

[formal fjord]

Have you updated your graphics drivers recently. If not I'd do that

[clear gazelle]

the first thing i do was update the graphics driver

didnt touch my laptop for 1 months so have to do that

[clear gazelle]

i think its bc i have just do the level for the first time

[olive hinge]

Fellas if you guys own a raspberry pi 3 model b what would you do with it?

[subtle flare]

Host a server

[formal plume]

yeah this game got a 8K remake in a 70mb download

SORRY

[slim fern]

i'm getting a stutter and crash when i launch gtfo heh

anyone know a solution?

[placid sentinel]

many have had help deleting folder generatedicons in appdata locallow / 10 chambers... / gtfo / ..

[hard widget]

i keep having connectivity issues to every mulitplayer game i play. i keep getting disconnected mid match on r6 or js any game. can someone help me please? figure out the connectivity issues?

[abstract kite]

Anyone know why I maintain only like 35-40 FPS? I have 32g, RTX3080, and i7-11800H. I really wanna play this game at a manageable FPS 😭

[placid sentinel]

could be isp internet issue or if wifi, a bad connection.. if you have access to router, check your dhcp lease time, u can set it to 12h or 24h or so

[bright shard]

Are you on minimum?

[rotund ledge]

Might be a temperature issue? Since you are running a laptop thats highly probable.

[gray wedge]

if it's temperature you should try monitoring it while playing

or maybe your power supply?

[wild gull]

if it was power supply related, the device would just turn itself off

most likely thermal throttling or just wrong settings

[bright shard]

Side note, ive seen black screen crashes be the culprit of the gpu, rather than psu.

Laptops suck

[formal plume]

usually for that you just rollback a driver update, or most likely need a driver update

[bright shard]

it was beyond a shadow of a doubt, a bad card.

[formal plume]

oh

[wild gull]

new nvidia drivers also kinda doodoo apparently

[bright shard]

nvidia drivers always dogwater

[wild gull]

usually aight

unless youre on linux

[formal plume]

b-b-but AMD drivers are bad /s

[wild gull]

amd tripped up with the new X3D

[subtle flare]

Recent nvidia drivers have been pretty wonky but generally they are better built than AMD

With the X3D and how it isn’t fully windows-compatible and their new updates, they’ve also been pretty wonky

Early tech adopters have been having it rough

[bright shard]

they are both dogwater, AMD only has the leg up in linux because their shit actually works on wayland.

i think the main issue is that directx needs to get fucking chucked into the burnable trash pile.

nvidia and AMD shouldn't be the optimization wizards, that should be on the game engine makers.

"oh, we have a workaround that only triggers in sims 3 so that if a sim is holding a pizza box, the local area around the PC running the game does not become a superfund site"

"and yes, its still in there, of course, no i don't care"

"of course if the developer wants to fix it, its only 2 lines to fix it btw"

[wild gull]

simply make it open source NVIDIA

[whole depot]

Can you get 120 fps on this game with 4090?

I have 3080 Ti and its only 70-110fps

[jade ermine]

in R3 im sitting at 170-210 fps with 4090 @5120x1440p

R7 and larger maps run with less fps, GPU low usage.

[whole depot]

Are you on maximum settings?

[sharp bough]

Really thats all a 3080 ti can manage?

[fleet canopy]

I think that's more about optimization

[whole depot]

Im playing on my 4k TV 120hz. And many maps can only get 60-70fps

[sharp bough]

Im using a 3060ti but plan on getting a rx 6950 xt I dont use a fps tracker but it feels fine

[fleet canopy]

Is it usual for your 3080 Ti to do at least 120FPS on 4k on overall games?

[sharp bough]

I didnt think GTFO was all that demanding but yeah in some games I mean with 3060 ti(new games) at 1440p i normally get around 100 or more fps

[whole depot]

Hmm well esport games im getting good fps but triple A games at 4k struggle to get more than 60+

Darktide i cannot get good fps without dlss.

[sharp bough]

With a 3080 ti?

[whole depot]

Yes

[sharp bough]

Try more optimized settings instead of cranking everything to ultra

[fleet canopy]

Darktide is just a nightmare when it comes to performance unfortunately