pc-build-help-and-tech-talk

[fleet canopy]

I suppose you could consider 1440p at something like 240/360Hz (They'll eventually release more 1440p 360Hz than the one available now), and get more years out of it

[subtle flare]

Again, tell me 1 game that is so GPU heavy that’s released or in development that will render unplayable

Everything still geared towards optimization too

Not necessarily

In crysis, sure

But I’m not playing crysis

It’s pretty high, compared to 1. My previous GPU and 2. Previous GPU generations

GPU generations also cycle every ~2 years

So I’d wait 4 years for a new gpu?

Debatable

GPUs aren’t strictly pushed by games alone

4090 is geared more of AI and workspace

A new architecture also isn’t determined by gaming

Not really

8K and 16K have been out for a while

We just pushed performance

Bruh

8K editing? Hello?

We’re dealing with 6k and 8K raw footage

Not talking about gaming

You pull up Adobe premiere and edit in 8k

4090 blows that out of the water compared to the 3090

You wouldn’t need a GPU switch every two years

Unless you’re some big corpo

All the ads the market has been seeing are 8K gaming

Which is obviously stupid

But they didn’t spell out the finer details for gamers

Productivity levels on the current generation GPU are absolutely insane

With nvidia’s market share, I’d bet majority of the current generation isn’t even geared towards selling towards consumers like gamers

They just threw it in to make you buy it

If you’re talking about gaming, then @ 4k 113 fps is plenty

RT is more developed for something not for gaming

RT will improve over time

Doubt

I’ll see you in 4 years I suppose

Unless the 5000 series breaks 2.3x the previous generation then what the hell

If anything we’re only bottlenecked by silicon

4k performance now will at least last you long enough as an investment

Mneh

Considering we’re editing 16k videos that’s not true at all

It’s already a standard norm in the industry sector

Games are also going to be limited to current gen

Even if it does push GPU dev

Sure, it pushes

But devs only have so much hardware

If 4k is “bad” now, if we take for example

And GPU gens cycle every ~2 years

Then we have to calculate when an “older” gen GPU will become obsolete

It hasn’t been good till this performance jump

Yes, there can be improvement

Again, you’d have to calculate when it becomes obsolete

If you take the 4090 as an early investment, then where does it land you?

That’s what you gotta figure out

The last time nvidia mentioned 4k gaming was 30xx series

And it was pretty ass, no one really bothered with it

When is it lying?

It may as well be

Let’s take example that it doesn’t change

Aka the performance is shit

Either way, it’s not going to change for another cycle

You’re going to be held at this state until another dev comes out

Every cycle GPU increases performance

So theoretically 4k increases, yes?

But by how much is determined on the performance of the GPU

Games, programs, etc. won’t be able to see ample changes until then too

If moore’s law isn’t dead, then we’d see massive performance gains each generation

They ain’t gonna think that, maybe

But they are hard-limited to what they can start producing

Testing phase isn’t gonna be fun at all

Push out the current gen to the max

That’s all what they can do

Well I wasn’t finished with moores law part lol 😂

Yea, it has its limitations for sure

[formal plume]

I really doubt this

[subtle flare]

Well I was going to mention how it was dead according to team green too XD

Then go off on both branches

[formal plume]

lmao

[subtle flare]

But forget it

You don’t necessarily have to upgrade frequently

Unless you’re specifically into 1 resolution set, per se

[fleet canopy]

Yeah I can agree to this part

[subtle flare]

Well which monitor did you guys test?

[fleet canopy]

DLSS is neat but it really is a fuzzy mess of an image sometimes

For that I basically would rather settle on just pure rasterization without any of the shit like DLSS or AMD's equivalent

DLSS 3.0 is just another proof of it

[subtle flare]

I mean, everyone wants that

[fleet canopy]

I suppose if you can reach high enough FPS, it isn't as noticeable, say using a 4090 where FPS goes to 150+, yeah it's fine to use dlss cause it would be enough fps to cover it up a lil I suppose

But worthless when you try using it for 60

And for me I use an m27q, a good budget 1440p 170hz monitor

[subtle flare]

Ironically enough for me the smallest monitor I could get 1440p 240 hz is the priciest one

And we don’t even know how much Project 491c costs

[fleet canopy]

Plus, DLSS also has to have some effort put in like what ray tracing is

[subtle flare]

I mean

I have a 1080p 240 hz monitor rn

[fleet canopy]

Ready or Not has really poor DLSS, where the holographics sight gets this massive huge ghosting

[subtle flare]

500 hz is the crazy figure really

340 in my eyes too

Or 360

I’ve seen both

[fleet canopy]

500Hz is some absolute fucking nightmare, but hey it's there

I don't think anything can realistically keep up unless it's strictly csgo, valorant, maybe siege

[subtle flare]

I mean

[fleet canopy]

Wait another two years for a CPU that can do that

[subtle flare]

Titan V at 1080p for 500 fps too

[fleet canopy]

Maybe then it can

[subtle flare]

Minecraft only though

[fleet canopy]

I wonder when the last time a Titan card was mentioned in this chat

[subtle flare]

Probably when the titan cards came out

[fleet canopy]

Well not long ago

[subtle flare]

Don’t get started on nvidia titan RTX

That’s just some bullshit

[fleet canopy]

lmao it was June of 2021

[subtle flare]

New one that is

Not old one

[fleet canopy]

And it was on about older topics I suppose

[subtle flare]

If anything it’s either the 4090 Ti or 50xx

[fleet canopy]

Titan is basically just the equivalent of current but more vram if it released today

[subtle flare]

No way they’re gonna bring back titan naming

[fleet canopy]

And honestly

[subtle flare]

That ship sailed long ago

[fleet canopy]

Just go quadro if it was for a workstation build

[subtle flare]

They’re expensive

[fleet canopy]

True

[subtle flare]

That’s why some productivity people buy RTX and not Quadro

[fleet canopy]

Wuadro, hah

[subtle flare]

God damn it typing on phone is hard

I remember the good old days where 6 1060s mining rig was only > $3000

[fleet canopy]

500$ for a 1060? huh

[subtle flare]

Now I’ve built a computer with a 4090 with gpu costing > $2000 alone

[subtle flare]

No total build

[fleet canopy]

Ah

[subtle flare]

That’s with cpu, ram, mobo

Aio

No case

[formal plume]

this is true

[fleet canopy]

The last time I suppose multi gpu was relevant

[formal plume]

just watching videos at a different resolution is just worse if it doesn't match

[subtle flare]

Apparently my build now costs $4.4k

I’ve only spent $3.5k

💀

Feels bad for people tryna build later

[fleet canopy]

"I cannot watch this fucking Linus Tech Tips video because it is only 4K, I want it in 8K!!!!"

"What use do I have for my 8K TV if not to use it for 8k videos??"

I think 4K gaming is still at the one spot it's best done in, and that's just 60Hz

[subtle flare]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Agent_Hacker/saved/XFc3wP

Don’t mind the username, chose that back years ago

Like

[fleet canopy]

Hey, that's almost my PC list

[subtle flare]

A decade ago

💀

[fleet canopy]

Agent Hacker isn't bad compared to what I had

[subtle flare]

I guess if you remove some components (aka the 860 evo from my mining rig) you can lower the cost

[fleet canopy]

Only change I would make is just the drives if I say so myself

Would just get a handful of 2.5" ssds since they shouldn't be extremely expensive

[subtle flare]

I already had my mouse, keyboard, etc

[fleet canopy]

Like 100$ per 1TB, pretty neat imo

[subtle flare]

Actually Corsair sent me a free 5000D airflow

So I have 2

[fleet canopy]

or 150$ for 2TB, more nicer

[subtle flare]

Eh

Hard drive because recording

Ssd for os

Waiting around for PCIE 5.0 ssds

[fleet canopy]

ah

[subtle flare]

Yea

I my current laptop I have 3 ssds and a 1 tb hdd

1 ssd os, 1 ssd apps, 1 ssd Linux

[fleet canopy]

A nice price for a watercooled 4090, iirc the 3090 watercool was like 2K right outta the gate

And only went up to 3K lol

[subtle flare]

They changed it

Apparently now MSI sells 2 different versions of the card

[fleet canopy]

Maybe 4K?

I remember a 4k usd 3090 at one point

[subtle flare]

One with higher clock speeds and one with lower

[fleet canopy]

Ah I see

[subtle flare]

I have no idea which one I have

[fleet canopy]

Apparently gamestop is selling that card

[subtle flare]

Issues of being early adopter

[fleet canopy]

what the fuck

https://www.gamestop.com/pc-gaming/pc-components/video-cards/products/msi-geforce-rtx-4090-suprim-liquid-x-24g-graphics-card/352630.html

[subtle flare]

It doesn’t say which core clock

Excuse the bad image quality, this is my Alienware from like 2012

I have no idea why they would do this 💀

And actually, they dropped the prices at first from MSRP $1649

Then now they’ve increased it by 100

And scalpers are selling at > $2.3k

Well one has X and another doesn’t

Obviously it has to do with silicon quality for sure

But damn

Bruh one has all the awards one doesn’t

LMFAO

But really it’s just the different clocks

So different silicon quality

I find that dumb

It’s so minuscule

They actually came out with the X version first

@abstract kite

I bought it the day before release

So they just decided to “downgrade” the non X version and remove the X

💀

Was yea

Those pictures were long ago

Most recent bad picture of my incomplete build is this

That was months ago

What sucks ass is the cables

Like damn so you see the cable holes?

I though it was an ATX board not EATX

In fact, they actually changed it

It used to say ATX

Now it says EATX

😭

Dude I swear it’s an ATX board

It’s only got 2 PCIEx16 slots and 1 PCIEx4

They just apparently changed it!

Uh

Yea

I removed it

Because I need side exhausts

So front is intake

Side and top and back are exhaust

Maybe I should flip the radiator for the cpu 🤔

Idk 😭

I also wish it was a 360mm for the 4090

Not a 240

It looks so wacky

It’s got 4 filters

1 top, 1 front, 1 side, 1 psu

Cable management was so shit too

Like I tried my best

It’s just so many bro

And I had to install 90 degree headers

I might just go back and tear it all apart and start over

Yes

So it’s a struggle

I didn’t realize it’d be that big

After all, my initial though that it was an ATX board

Not EATX

Maybe I should get a new case question mark?

If I keep cable management as is, I’m worried about my 24 pin cable bend

Honestly if anything I also have to decide whether to use the headers

But I’ve already installed them

So

😫

Cable management

I also wanna start using zip ties

So I gotta go buy some

The Velcro straps aren’t enough

For the rgb connectors too

They are weak

Might as well slap electrical tape over it

Really?

I kinda prefer the side and top

I just think if only it wasnt a 240 it would’ve been fine

My AIO?

Oh

No

If I didn’t use the side exhaust I would be able to hide all my cables

But I wanted to maximize airflow

Actually

I can check right now

I have a spare case

I could do that, yea

I just have my fans within the case

Well shit

I just realized I technically don’t need a dust filter up top

I guess I could do a push-pull config for my cpu

Eh fuck it

I bought the case cause it was cheaper than black

So I could care less

Okay so I added zip ties and electrical tape to my shopping cart

Maybe I’ll buy more fans

[subtle flare]

It should

970 lasted me 4

1060 lasted me 4-6

Eh so I won’t play 4k then

And it’ll last 5

🤡

[civic root]

hey so im new to pc buildling, any general tips?

[merry bay]

might sound rude, but read the manual

[fleet canopy]

You can refer to video build guides as a help to building a PC

If you had to find something specific, you could watch on how you should build your PC in a specific case, or a specific motherboard to learn where certain plugs go in, though you can refer to a manual for that of course

Most PC builds go almost the same exact way so you can use any as a reference on what to do

[subtle flare]

That ain’t rude tho, it’s always advised to read the mobo manual

Not only is it helpful, it tells you where all the headers are and stuff

Not all mobos have the same layout, so yes, definitely read the manual

[merry bay]

I preface it from experience. People do get bothered with the idea, even though it should be their top resource. Sometimes the manual can be confusing, in which case they can ask online.

[bright shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL4DCEp7blY

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHY6ygHj80c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5jFXl0GZJo

are both exhaustive guides for both picking parts and assembly.

[civic root]

ty

[gaunt isle]

Just got back into the game after a while and wanted some input on what I should put some settings at. I have an i7 and a 3080 so im not too worried about performance. What is the best option for anti-aliasing?

[bright shard]

at what resolution?

[gaunt isle]

1920x1080

[bright shard]

a 3080 doesnt max this at 1080p?

personally, lower fog settings, turn off player shadows because they look jank. lower some fog settings.

AA at lowest not off

[gaunt isle]

yeah i know i can prob run most settings at max, i was jsut wondering what the best anti aliasing is cause I just dont know anything about each one

[abstract kite]

force everything in

but also dont force everything in

oh and cable management gl hf

[civic root]

👍

[bright shard]

I remembered that one dude who was confused about how tight to tighten screws.

[cunning sphinx]

Make sure the parts are compatible before buying

Don’t cheap out on power supply

Ram takes more push than you think

Binge YouTube videos when building first pc,

Reddit buildapc is full of genius’s if you get stuck usually some random on there can help

[autumn olive]

GPU can also take more push to slot in.
And make sure you undo any locking tabs.
My mobo has a gpu lock tab that i didn't even know about until 3 years later when i swapped GPUs 😂

[cunning sphinx]

Some gpus come with extra hdmi ports with a rubber thing in it to keep it safe, don’t wait 5 years after purchasing the gpu to take it out and realise you can support more than one monitor. (From experience)

[bold thunder]

Why not take them out? It doesn't hurt anything right? I would imagine it just keeps dust out if you keep the rubber thing in the slot if you're not using it...

[fleet canopy]

Don't forget the 24 pin power connector

Bitch to put in

Bitch to pull out

[mellow yacht]

"put the connector in, pull the connector out, put the connector and shake it all about"

[cunning sphinx]

Oh you should just saying I made the mistake of not realising it was even there 😂

[bold thunder]

No I knew it was there when I plugged in a second monitor, I'm just wondering if there are any downsides to it at all'

[bright shard]

personally I keep them in because dust can be really annoying with high bandwith signals. also the USB ones are pretty useful for when you have a dead port and want people to stop complaining that a port doesn't work (then you can say it was covered for a reason).

i keep the caps that come with cables for the same reason.

personally i either end up handing down or giving away.

i run my hardware into the ground or close to it.

if i had a dollar for everything ive seen die to dust, i'd have like 15 bucks.

[twilit crow]

What on earth do you do? 😂

[bright shard]

Just not knowing better as a kid.

[north elk]

no way my family would have let me fry so much stuff lmao

[bright shard]

Its not like they knew better. And im not talking about PCs in my possession.

[twilit crow]

Heat gun and IPA is probably your best friend there

[bright shard]

i think i killed 2 prebuilts to heat and dust. but one really really really wanted to die anyway.

one existed on carpet, the other... basically was undustable and had horrible airflow.

[twilit crow]

Which reminds me, I wanted to order some additional fans for the summer

[twilit ivy]

where should i get a second monitor? all i care about is that it works and that it has the modern aspect ratio(16:9)

im thinking best buy but i dont know when i could go

[bright shard]

online. 1080p 16:9 are often on sale for under 100 usd.

[twilit ivy]

would amazon be a good place to start?

[bright shard]

r/buildapcsales tbh. because the amazon price search sucks ass.

[subtle flare]

Amazon usually upscales prices for electronics.

Key word is usually

If you buy off from the manufacturing website or other websites like Newegg, generally it’s cheaper and you can apply coupons

2 good examples of Amazon upscaling prices for electronics is GPU prices and some of Corsair’s products

But then of course you don’t get prime, etc

[fleet canopy]

GPU prices?

It's equally as fucked on newegg mostly

It can be up to 500$ less, but it's still more than what the MSRP is

[formal plume]

^^^

GPU prices are fucked

and RTX 40 series is a joke

actually better to get an RX 7000 series card

or RTX 30 series

[fleet canopy]

Could get a 3090 for good price maybe

And a 6900XT can be found for 700$

Kinda close to a 7900XT or XTX tho

[formal plume]

and anyone with a brain yes obviously the RTX 4090 is the most powerful and anyone able to purchase such a card can burn money in the backyard anyway

[fleet canopy]

A train is coming in at a very fast speed

You can switch the tracks

Option A to kill 10 people

Option B to have a fucked market

Option C to do both

[bright shard]

C twice please.

[subtle flare]

@fleet canopy On Newegg it’s actually normal price

On Amazon it’s no less for $2.3k for a 4090

[fleet canopy]

I could say the 4090 is somewhat acceptable

It's like lowest I see right away is 2000$

[subtle flare]

I’m not talking about how scalped the GPU prices are in the market

I’m just talking about specific card prices

@fleet canopy It’s the same for 30xx series

It’s overpriced on Amazon

You don’t buy GPUs on Amazon

[fleet canopy]

Well NVIDIA's got it for just 1600$

[subtle flare]

Yea

Founder’s edition on Amazon is $2.5k

[fleet canopy]

Either it will be permanently out of stock forever or every once a while you gotta be on 24/7 to buy it instant

[subtle flare]

Lmao

[fleet canopy]

that's unfortunate

I'm surprised the watercool isn't just a huge money dump

[subtle flare]

Yea that’s why you don’t buy on Amazon

Before back then it was great

But for some reason Amazon just upped prices completely

[fleet canopy]

They usually are much more, but seems like they have em a nice cheaper amount (It's 2200$, but msrp it's like 1700$ or 1800$)

wowie 1600$ cards on newegg that is out of stock

mm mm

[subtle flare]

Newegg has actually MSRP prices

[fleet canopy]

no fe tho

it's msrp cause it's out of stock for me

[subtle flare]

Amazon has no such thing ever since 20xx series

[fleet canopy]

Microcenter might have em real good

Closest isn't too far surprsingly

Like it's just a train ride away

Or if by car, like 45 minutes I guess

can't remember

would probably be a waste cause they're probably also outta stock but then again people kinda are lazy and want it online sometimes

[subtle flare]

4080 and 4070 Ti are in stock

As well as 7900XT

That’s about it

[fleet canopy]

4080? 4070 Ti? Never heard of em

[subtle flare]

4090 and XTX are guaranteed out of stock

[fleet canopy]

Knowing NVIDIA, they probably priced that horribly!

[subtle flare]

$799 “MSRP” for 4070 Ti

It’s still $1100 MSRP for the 4080

[fleet canopy]

still bad

[subtle flare]

Recently with Best Buy it dropped to $1080

[fleet canopy]

Thought it was 1200

[subtle flare]

I think it was $1199

Excuse my typo if it is

[fleet canopy]

Comparing the 4080 to the 4090, the 4080 is just not worth a cent

[subtle flare]

Good card bad price

[fleet canopy]

Or maybe even a 7900XTX if you get one

[subtle flare]

As with every other gpu this gen

[fleet canopy]

Should have been like 900$

or 800

idk

4070 ti ehh

piece of shit

nothing good about it

[subtle flare]

Lmao

[fleet canopy]

it's more like a 4070

or a 4060 ti ig

[subtle flare]

It’s the 4080 12 gb it’s great

[fleet canopy]

so much loss

[subtle flare]

😂

[fleet canopy]

lol

It definitely hasn't just lost a considerable amount of some of the specs

4070 Ti would have possibly been more alright had they not gave it a shittier bit bus

had it 256 bit since rtx 2000

and decide then it's probably best to do 192 instead

It's funny how 2000$ somehow doesn't feel bad for a 4090

Like it's worse than 1600$

But still seems okay

[subtle flare]

Scalped prices for the 4090 ranges from $2.3k-$8k

[fleet canopy]

All the way to 8K

what the fuck?

[subtle flare]

Yea, you haven’t seen?

[fleet canopy]

I have not even heard of the 4090 going past say about 3000$

[subtle flare]

I could’ve made a $500+ profit if I scalped

But I needed to build a pc for myself lmao

[subtle flare]

Nah people are jacked up fucked

It’s crazy

I’ve seen one for $8,999

[fleet canopy]

What part of a 1600$ msrp would make it fucking 8-9K

[subtle flare]

Same model as mine

[fleet canopy]

It didn't just immediately go down to 3 unique fucking cards in the world

Unless they dipped it in some insane ass gold and put real diamonds on it, it isn't worth more than 2200$

[subtle flare]

No

Unopened brand new

[fleet canopy]

still isn't 9K

[subtle flare]

Just scalped to fucking heaven

Probably put invisible diamonds on the box

[fleet canopy]

telling me they replaced the 4090 with invisible heavy diamonds mm mm

perhaps they'd be worth 2000$

Actually idk

gn steve did say it was out of stock in all across the US, and he had to go to another country for it

[subtle flare]

No no

They placed invisible jewels on the box with the 4090

Now I charge you $8999

[fleet canopy]

oh no

But it's a 4090

What do I do???

look at the other people selling it for 2000$?

Naaaah, must be a scam

yeah I'll buy it

[subtle flare]

Teehee

[fleet canopy]

Someone is claiming that the high end pc price might go down pretty significant at mid/late 2023 apparently

[subtle flare]

Kinda debating whether to go with the Corsair Xeneon Flex or the LG display

Only real upside with the LG display is the swivel

Or I could wait for QD-OLED

[fleet canopy]

Is it about the new monitors?

[subtle flare]

Ye

Considering all the QD-OLED panels are so big I doubt they’ll fit on my desk, I’m going to hop on with just OLED instead

Besides, 5120x1440 at 32:9 is pretty busted 💀

Samsung’s panel is 7120 (something close to that)x1440 at 32:9

Don’t remember exactly but it’s massive

Corsair isn’t height adjustable or swivel adjustable but the LG one is

Corsair has a variable curvature while LG is fixed

LG is cheaper

[fleet canopy]

I also heard the 5120x1440p doesn't have a great ppi

Something like 82

or that's on a diff monitor

[subtle flare]

All the ultra wide monitors don’t have a good pixel density

[fleet canopy]

yeah but one of them has I think was lower than avg ppi

[subtle flare]

LG has it at 84 PPI

It’s the same for the Corsair one, I believe

After all, same panel

All the major content creators reviewed the Corsair one

Saying it’s amazing

Ofc there’s downsides as I listed and others not mentioned

[fleet canopy]

The height adjusting is def a big downside imo

The swivel part is kind of whatever for the most part

[subtle flare]

Corsair’s ships out in 5 weeks

LG started out already

[fleet canopy]

yeah LG already announced something of it like late last year or something

[subtle flare]

Well LG is cheaper

And it’s being shipped out

So I might get that

I don’t think I mind a fixed curvature

Only thing imma miss out on really is gonna be the variable curvature, where I can transfer from gaming to working

[fleet canopy]

To me what they're offering isn't quite there just yet

However it'd be neat to check out their OLED 1440p 240hz but of course it'll be a while until any info about burn in is revealed

Pretty much all my uses are gonna cause burn in so lol it's either that or QD

Or stick to IPS, not sure

[subtle flare]

Burn in was mentioned

Corsair provides guaranteed burn in protection and a 3 year warranty

Also, all panels come in with anti-burn in measures

Pixel shifting and refreshing, etc

Apparently it’s better this year for OLED

[subtle flare]

QD is gonna be ultra wide

Samsung and MSI territory

5120 or 7120x1440p 32:9

Both at 49 inches

[fleet canopy]

yeah but as I offered, nothing really interests me aside from of course OLED, but I'll have to wait and see for a qd oled

[subtle flare]

Odyssey G9 or Project 491c

[fleet canopy]

I should probably at least accept something ultrawide or curved at some point but ehhhh lmao

[subtle flare]

Yea I wanted a QD OLED panel

I think it’s gonna be hella expensive

[fleet canopy]

I suppose yeah

[subtle flare]

Not to mention it’s definitely later down the line, even though it was revealed

[fleet canopy]

For what?

[subtle flare]

I saw Project 491c at CES 23

It wasn’t even turned on

[fleet canopy]

o an ultrawide

[subtle flare]

It’s monstrous too

[fleet canopy]

Super ultrawide qd oled

[subtle flare]

Fucking huge

[fleet canopy]

whatever super is

RTX 2000 Super

[subtle flare]

Yea there are only 2 QD OLED panels in CES 23

That or Samsung

Well

Technically 3

[fleet canopy]

Something that looks like Linus would get

[subtle flare]

Nah

Linus says he’s in love with the Corsair flex

He’s def gonna get one for product review

Then we’ll see

[fleet canopy]

No resolution for it

Eh

[subtle flare]

Looks like curved 34 or non curved 27 QD OLED don’t exists anymore

Lovely

[fleet canopy]

He'll probably like it along with a super ultrawide linus face wallpaper

[subtle flare]

You either go OLED 27 or (super) ultrawide

[fleet canopy]

I think they will do qd oled at some point

perhaps announce it late 2023 or early 2024

[subtle flare]

On super ultra wides only

Next year may be different

This year QD OLED 240hz is only on super ultrawides

I wish there was an OLED or QD-OLED 34 in

[fleet canopy]

Usually it seems like they'd get the newer panels on the big ass stuff that no one wants unless they're a Linus clone

And then it starts to trickle down a bit

[subtle flare]

Hm

I mean I could always save a couple hundred and get the Alienware QD OLED at only 175 hz

But I’m losing the 240 hz and firmware update issues

240 hz QD OLEDS right now are way to big to fit into a college dorm

So I’m stuck with only OLED

By next year I’ll have space but I’ll already have a monitor and it’d just be a big waste to upgrade to a QD OLED

So my choices are I wait 5 weeks for Corsair’s Flex or get the LG monitor

Main pro and cons being Corsair is flexible but no height adjustment and higher cost

And LG with swivel and height, fixed, lower cost

[fleet canopy]

I could probably wait a little for myself

It's only hopefully one more year

[subtle flare]

Need a second monitor

[fleet canopy]

And then they'll announce no QD OLED 2560x1440p 240hz monitors

I have a second for myself

[subtle flare]

Since I’m switching from laptop, running dual monitors for work is needed

[fleet canopy]

I didn't bring a 1600x900 but I also have this 1440p 60hz I haven't used since I switched

So far everything that isn't 1440p and is below 240hz is worthless unfortunately

[subtle flare]

I’m looking to get a bigger monitor anyways

[fleet canopy]

And OLED is just a nice bonus I would love to have for the color and response times

[subtle flare]

24-27’ I’ve had for quite a bit

[fleet canopy]

I could excuse 32" I suppose

[subtle flare]

So I was looking for something 34

Between the 2 which one would you choose?

[fleet canopy]

For inch or on monitors?

If for size, I need to compensate for something

Otherwise I'm fine with just simply going for an IPS panel that has what I need

ROG did say they released or are releasing an OLED version tho

[subtle flare]

Yes they did

[fleet canopy]

It's got all that I want in a monitor with the bonus of OLED

[subtle flare]

Though their main showcase was the 540 hz monitor

[fleet canopy]

Yeah the 540Hz monitor is nice, but the human eye can't see above 24fps so it's worthless

[subtle flare]

ROG’s is only 27 in

Just not it for me

Pixel density is gonna be great on a 27 in though

As shown with LG’s too

[proper wren]

I thought it was 40 hz for hoomans

[subtle flare]

I wish it wasn’t so hard 🥲

Well at this point I think I know im ordering

But next time I’ll take your advice

[subtle flare]

@fleet canopy Let’s see how fast they ship it out

It’s changed from shipping out December 28th to January 5th

Either way, since I ordered today, theoretically they’re being sent out

[lethal stag]

lol rtx 4090 didn't even exceed 40 degrees when run 4k all high GTFO

[subtle flare]

Nice, I know what to expect now

How many frames were you getting?

[lethal stag]

Didn't use fps counter tools, simply played a match

[subtle flare]

There’s a built-in FPS counter

If you ever know your FPS lemme know a rough estimate

I’m curious as fuck since I haven’t booted up my build yet

[lethal stag]

I reply later when I try another round

[subtle flare]

Thanks

[formal plume]

imagine the FPS was 24

[amber kestrel]

Rate the setup

Thanks matey 🙂

This was my first build and it didn’t break or anything so proud

4070ti looking sexy

[fleet canopy]

I've never really heard of the card getting really far past 70 if it ever did

A lot of pcpp builds generally are rating it like between 60-70, he probably wasnt actually pushing the 4090 too hard unlike other games perhaps

[subtle flare]

Well

Depends on your model

But yea, I get an general gist that applies roughly the span of all 4090s

Factoring in my ambient temperature, which I believe for me will be the biggest killer, it’ll reach 70 more often then usually

Only slightly

Gotta test out my airflow though

Actually, how my room is laid out, I’m next to the open window

Though how my computer flow is hot air is being exhausted out the window

I get a lot of wind up on top

[fleet canopy]

I kind of still think of perhaps doing a watercooling route, but idk

I could get their AIO watercool for the GPU and get one as well for the CPU

But I could also do an air cooling build, especially as the card is doing good on the air cooling side of things

[formal plume]

even then GTFO isn't that optimized so it probably can't utilize the full power of the RTX 4090

[digital juniper]

do you guys recommend me to sell my 3070 gamerock to buy a 4090 rtx?

You wouldnt?

oh

But would you recommend

This baby

I dont know what to do

I’m not advanced enough to understand what youre meaning

Enough for me to change my graphic card?

I’m having no issues what so ever with the 3070

Like I can basically launch any games for now

[merry bay]

there are people that say a 4090 isn't enough for them, there are people who say a 3070 is overkill for their needs. only you can know if you're really itching for more fps, and is the itch hard enough to fork so much cash

if it's not for 4K I don't think it's worthwhile to go that far

[digital juniper]

I can play cyberpunk 2077 with max graphics I think i’m fine actually

[merry bay]

i wanted a 3080 just for cyberpunk, but scalpers happened and I played it with a 1080ti, now I hardly have reasons to upgrade, kinda glad I didn't

[digital juniper]

yeah

What the price for a 4090 rn

Yeah

Fuck

[merry bay]

during cyberpunk release that price would've been spitting distance from a 3090, now I see local listings for 700-950€ used

[digital juniper]

I can sell you mine

[fleet canopy]

I guess you are just on a weird need to buy that isn't really a need and more of pressure from new cards coming out

If it fits your needs well, then that's a good reason to not have to change

[proper wren]

@fleet canopy

[fleet canopy]

Zotac Gaming jacket

Bring the frame rates to real life

[proper wren]

It's one of those rainproof jackets that water doesnt stick

Working with zotac for free loot

[fleet canopy]

Sounds pretty neat

Is it mostly zotac merch or are they some actual parts?

[proper wren]

I also get kingston merch as well

[fleet canopy]

Nice

[abstract kite]

what am I looking at

[formal plume]

DRAGON WAR
real gaming attitude
BORN FOR ESPORTS

[fleet canopy]

Pssh

Don't need a mug to get me a real gaming attitude

Just gotta hop on call of duty and have my ego sink and my anger rise

[lethal stag]

Not playing yet, trying to figure out how to XMP to advertised ram speed (now can’t boot with 1.4 voltage)

[amber kestrel]

Pc build update 🙂

All works except radiator fan rgb wondering how I messed that up tbh

My first build so don’t judge to hard lmao

[lethal stag]

May I ask have you successfully XMP overclocked your ram? If so at what voltage?

[amber kestrel]

I have not done so.

Really haven’t overclocked anything in bios

My card comes oc out the box

[lethal stag]

Oh no sry I forgot that GTFO’s resolution was at 1080p by default. It reached 59-60 degree when I switched to 4k (All very high setting)

[subtle flare]

Sick

Thanks man

Can’t wait to not run at 2 fps

[lethal stag]

The gpu buzz sound is scary. First time building a desktop and so scared to hear the sound... thinking the GPU’s gonna explode later or sth

[subtle flare]

What gpu?

[lethal stag]

The setting btw

4090 strix gpu

[subtle flare]

Strix

Yea can imagine

Lol

[lethal stag]

60 degree is "normal" as people says, but still feels so scared

[subtle flare]

Lmao

I play at 99 degrees for both CPU and GPU

60 degrees is hella cool

[lethal stag]

update: there are some fps drops randomly, no change for cpu & gpu temp though

But well, 4k GTFO looks so beautiful...😮

[subtle flare]

Imma be running GTFO at 1440p so I’ll probably get more frames than you will

But if I run super ultra wide then it won’t hold strictly true

[lethal stag]

It already maxed out on my monitor (4k 144hz)

[dry hollow]

That noise is coil whine, my 6900 xt does that. It sounds like the card is screaming in pain

[subtle flare]

It’s actually a bit surprising since coil whine isn’t a big thing with the 40xx cards

Even on the gaming bios it isn’t exceptionally loud due to the massive coolers

I wonder what other settings you have set on your card

[dry hollow]

My card is liquid cooled so it doesn't really get hot but it's made by gigabyte and Im pretty sure they cheaped out on some of the components

[lethal stag]

Ik it's coil whine but just it sounds scary as thinking that it will explode or sth *lol

[dry hollow]

It freaked me out too at first but it's fine, my card has been doing it since day one and I've had it for nearly a year at this point

[fleet canopy]

Don't be worried about it being anywhere near 80c even

though if it does, you probably are gonna need to clean the PC

It shouldn't really reach 80 anyway, I don't think they've been designed to

[proper wren]

Go sleep Mayroo

[subtle flare]

@lethal stag You really shouldn’t be having coil whine

Unless it’s coming somewhere other than your gpu

[fleet canopy]

[lethal stag]

thanks to telling hehe

[lethal stag]

It actually ran at 4k 144 fps while able to maintain under 60 temp

[fleet canopy]

yeah so you def won't need to worry of it getting close to 90

[lethal stag]

Okay, thanks too.

[twilit crow]

You're thermal throttling

[subtle flare]

Well, what do you expect on a laptop?

[twilit crow]

Oh 😂

[twilit crow]

I expect nitrogen cooled components never getting old and never heating beyond room temperature, RGB keyboard with vibrant backlighting. A detachable 8k display with HDR and Dolby Atmos and built-in audiophile sound upscaler 😏

[subtle flare]

I have an Alienware 15R4, so I only hit the RGB requirement

[fleet canopy]

The only RGB you're getting is hot orange

[proper wren]

Thanks newegg

[amber kestrel]

i hope you didnt buy that pos

[charred mica]

I really love the keyboard design but what's that alien looking pc design..

[proper wren]

Use chatGPT to write fanfictions

[bright shard]

there will be blood
shed

[formal plume]

could ChatGPT get nsfw 👀

[celest island]

is it worth to pay more for a nvidia gpu for streaming than a amd gpu, RT will not be used.?

[formal plume]

I wouldn't say it's worth it

[fleet canopy]

If it's the current gen, I believe either one has good streaming regardless I guess

Both iirc supports AV1 which I believe is pretty new but also probably a very good stream decoder

[celest island]

Alr

[merry bay]

AV1 got support in OBS very recently in beta builds, might have regular version support by now, but even that is only available for recordings, not streaming because twitch doesn't accept AV1 yet.
not 100% sure but I think Youtube does by now

AMD for streaming with regular h.264 encoding has a slightly bigger impact on performance than NVIDIA, quality comparisons sometimes favors AMD, sometimes NVIDIA, that part is debatable tbh

basically if you're not very picky about a % or a few of performance/quality over NVIDIA - AMD can be a valid choice
when AV1 support inevitably improves, you'll just have to tweak settings and get a boost in quality

[bright shard]

MSI afterburner is probably dead, attach your mourning emojis to this post.

[fleet canopy]

Oh? what happened with it

oh cause of russian sactions it looks like

unfortunate

[merry bay]

MSI payroll stopped due to sanctions, ye

[fleet canopy]

Oh didn't know it was a russian company

[merry bay]

still some hope it can get resolved, the article is stirring things up

[subtle flare]

MSI is a Chinese company, no?

[merry bay]

it sounds like it's just 1 dude keeping it alive in his spare time

[subtle flare]

Well, if anything, it’s either MSI does something to keep it alive or we move on to another overclocking tool

MSI’s probably going to at least try to do something since Afterburner is pretty damn popular

[merry bay]

it's been over 11 months and they didn't, so wouldn't hope for any good faith from MSI

but the bad publicity might get them to try something

at least to fish out some new, slightly positive headlines

[subtle flare]

Well, I suppose it’s not that they didn’t but couldn’t to a sorts

Politics does throw everything to shit

[fleet canopy]

I checked news and MSI said they'd keep it alive

not sure if it's gonna be true but eh

It seems that they'd probably replace him for someone else

[hybrid spire]

Ooiii

[fleet canopy]

oh actually it might just die off

unfortunate

[merry bay]

there goes the one thing MSI's name could objectively be proud of, rip a reliable recommendation

[vast harness]

the guy maintaining it was from Ukraine afaik

shit software, but the only one of its kind

I guess

[fleet canopy]

Nah I checked, and he's a russian guy I believe

MSI can't pay him, so he's fucked

Instead he's looking into something else if he can't get paid by msi to keep doing afterburner

[subtle flare]

It’s a Russian developer. It’s not the issue of MSI refusing to pay the dev, but rather the bank account transfers are frozen because of political sanctions

Like to see the GUI updated but otherwise Afterburner is amazing at what it does

[vast harness]

:iknow:

[proper wren]

Damn it gigabyte

[fleet canopy]

gimme a 4090

[subtle flare]

Ehhhh

Gigabyte wouldn’t be my first pick

That’s a lot of 4070 Ti’s though

Also rare to see 4090’s in stock

[fleet canopy]

Perhaps

But a free 4090 is a free 4090

And one of those days when I ask, it will be given

I just know it

[formal plume]

tbf Afterburner will work unless you get new CPU or GPU that it doesn't support anymore

or unlucky and you get a bug

[bright shard]

new does not stay new forever.

[fleet canopy]

well just one where it can't recognize for no support

[cinder fern]

Hey guys, I’m trying to install my new amd 7900 xt but my screen is black if I plug into the card

Any advice?

[subtle flare]

I would try reseating the GPU first, you try that yet?

[cinder fern]

Yes I made sure it’s seated well, fans and lights are on

Running windows 10 if that helps

I uninstalled nvidia drivers from previous card

[subtle flare]

I'll assume you've used all the ports on the card itself too

[cinder fern]

I was wondering about that

[subtle flare]

Have you individually tried all the HDMI and DP ports?

[subtle flare]

Well damn lmao

[cinder fern]

Do I need an adapter?

[subtle flare]

It seems like to me you didn't use the right power cable

1. I would recommend to never use a pigtail

2. You need 2 8 pin PCIE power connecters, not 1 6 pin + 1 8 pin

[cinder fern]

Okay

So do I need a new PS or…

[subtle flare]

You see the 2 connectors?

You need a cable (or cables) that equate to 2 8 pins

Should have one included with your PSU

[cinder fern]

Can I get this cable from Best Buy? Or do I have to be sad and wait for the mail

[subtle flare]

What PSU do you have?

[cinder fern]

Evga 850 bronze

[subtle flare]

These are all the cables that came included w/ the PSU

2nd column 3rd row

You need 2 8 pins

[cinder fern]

Uhg. That stuff is in the baby room, will you tell my wife it’s important?

I appreciate the advice

[subtle flare]

It's important because if you don't plug it in right you can't ever turn on your gpu since it isn't getting the correct power delivery

[cinder fern]

I hope I still have those cables

[subtle flare]

You should

You should never throw away cables included w/ your PSU

One day you may need it or need to do an RMA and you'll need all cables included

Etc, etc.

[cinder fern]

I don’t throw much of anything away

It’s gotta be in this house somewhere

Worst case scenario I can buy it though, right?

[subtle flare]

Wouldn't recommend it

Unless you're going to buy a custom cable from cablemod

Rule of thumb is to never mix n match PSU cables

Unless you know 100% it's the same specific product from the same brand

Like Corsair sells 4090 adapters

But rarely do you see if you can buy just an individual PSU cable

[cinder fern]

I see. If this cable doesn’t exist I’ll just buy a new PSU tomorrow. Thanks for the advice my guy

[twilit crow]

I tend to put back everything I don't use in their original boxes. Actually, anything over £100 I keep boxes for until warranty expires, is actively used or is a spare part. There's no excuse otherwise.

The only time I throw things out that is electrical is as of when warranty expires unless it's a low maintenance product such as a microphone etc, then I keep them until the end of the return period.

[bright shard]

hdmi?

because hdmi does not work on AMD until you install the driverset.

also windows does not install it automatically correctly, so you have to go to the AMD website to get the 7900xt drivers.

[cinder fern]

No it’s a display port cable. I just don’t have the psu cable I need unless it’s in the attic. I’ve had this one for 6 years so it won’t kill me to upgrade it

[bright shard]

oh i see. its pigtails again ruining peoples day.

that shit shouldnt allowed to be sold.

you are the 3rd guy in like 3 weeks that has came in here with the same pigtail issue.

[subtle flare]

it looks ugly as hell too

In my opinion it looks worse than the 4090 adapter

[bright shard]

all boxes into case box.
packing tape.
then cut the packing tape
then packing tape over the cut packing tape with tape loop at one end; Bam, resealable "everything i got for my computer" box.

[pale ermine]

when i wanna upgrade my ram do i just take out the old ram sticks and set in the new ones or do i have to do anything else?

[crimson gazelle]

you will have to reset your XMP settings in bios if you changed those for your old ram sticks

[pale ermine]

ah ok. i wanted to get 64gb instead of 32 and now i have them

thnx

[merry bay]

just to clarify, you remove the old sticks, put in new ones and then set XMP settings again

[pale ermine]

that would be in the bios right?

[merry bay]

yeah

some motherboards call it EOCP or DOCP I think
but the point is setting the memory speed and timings that are on the box

[dry hollow]

expo is also a thing on new AMD boards

[fleet canopy]

Give me 55K and I'll give you 10% of what you were offering

Now that there is how ya make 50K

[formal plume]

was some crypto scam going on here

CRYpto

[fleet canopy]

yeah lol

it was more like a "give me money and I'll give it back to you"

[cinder fern]

Appreciate the advice dude. I’m the generic “I work too much dad” and it’s turned me into a boomer. Thanks for the help

[formal plume]

I love/hate the scam ads

because it's like "oh the more money you put into this coin the more money you earn"

yeah sorry let me just invest in Enron at the same time

[lilac bison]

how put cable in computer

[plush fox]

you cut them into little pieces first.

[lilac bison]

ok ill do that

[subtle flare]

Yep, of course

[exotic basin]

So I took a lot at the case

I installed the front panel connector

But holy shit it's a mess

This might be the last time I have someone do anything for me

Any screwdriver kit suggestions so I can do this myself

[bright shard]

https://www.ifixit.com/products/moray-driver-kit

[exotic basin]

Bet

[bright shard]

if you're installing a large as fuck traditional heatsink, you need a longboi, but you dont, so moray is fine.

[exotic basin]

Found a vid where the guy installs the aio I have with the same case I had

The mobo omega in the way

[bright shard]

did you ever install that missing mobo standoff?

[exotic basin]

I prefer taking the mobo off

The case looks really bad

And I will just have to uninstall the mobo myself

I'll have my sis bf look at it 22nd if I'm off that day

Still don't know what the standoffs look like and will just ask him

The screws look the same to me

[fleet canopy]

Fix it with iFixIt!

[exotic basin]

True

[exotic basin]

Software engineer boi

[subtle flare]

I redid my cable management

I’m gonna finally pick up my PSU tomorrow morning and install it

Worried about my dual 8 pin CPU power; the CPU AIO is blocking the way

[bright shard]

Thankfully if i ever use an aio, the whole top of my case comes off

Literally for that reason

[formal plume]

make sure it's a PSU from Gigabyte

[subtle flare]

Nah only ATX 3.0 PSU right now is MSI

So native adapter for 4090

[subtle flare]

Well it’s not that, but the clearance for the heading and wires

AIO is just big and I don’t wanna bend the shit out of my cables

I’ll figure it out

[formal plume]

...I was joking

[coarse sapphire]

is there a way to get this helmet? I'm new to the game but i like how it looks

[formal plume]

random drops just got to be lucky

[coarse sapphire]

oops wrong channel

@formal plume thanks 🙂

[subtle flare]

Hell yea

[fleet canopy]

ATX 3.0 ready PCIe 5.0 ready

smh it isn't ATX 6.9 ready and PCIe 4.20 ready

[subtle flare]

Couldn’t fit my hard drive bay 😔

[north elk]

That's cursed

[fleet canopy]

Eh, looks alright

There are certainly worse ones out there

[subtle flare]

Here’s how I left it

Bought a 2.5 in HDD since 3.5 won’t fit

I zip tied the top wires too

Doesn’t show here

[north elk]

Just fill the case with drives

Why do clean cable management when you can have Le Funny

[bright shard]

Literally fine. People act like they've never seen a back panel before.

[north elk]

The only time I ever see it is when I have to do stuff related to PSU

[bright shard]

Like if you want the case space to be clear where the hell else do you put the rest of the cable.

[fleet canopy]

I expect it to be like this

And if it isn't, you literally failed at building a PC 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[north elk]

oh my

[subtle flare]

I have a back panel

2 in fact

I just took a picture of cable management

Then put on my backplate and side exhaust panel

Only thing extremely worrying is this:

Being as stiff as possible too

[subtle flare]

Yea I wanna do that but am afraid of it going upwards into the fan

For now I’ve pushed it so it’s not going to hit it anytime soon

Hate that there’s barely any clearance

Also big sad that no 3.5 in hdd 😦

Had to swap out from 4 TB to 2

But man, fans running at 420 rpm sounds like a fucking jet engine starting up

💀

Bear in mind no optimization yet or drivers installed

Just got my windows installation usb so when I get back I’ll install windows

[bright shard]

my hdd that wont spin down is the loudest thing in my case

[fleet canopy]

My card is the only one that screams

I still don't quite have great fan control in yet I guess?

But it just screams at 80

[subtle flare]

My CPU is at 30-40 but every single fan I have is running

But then again, no iCue or drivers or optimization

So I’ll fix it somewhat

Can’t wait to play some games on this thing

I wanna see more than 2 fps in gtfo

[bright shard]

tfw still have 1080p75 monitor

hdr dp2 4k 144hz freesync oled plz.

[subtle flare]

I’ll have a 240 hz OLED on Monday

Ultra wide

Im going to use my 1080p 240 hz for now and when I get my new monitor I’ll use my old monitor as discord chat or something

[fleet canopy]

I need discord chat to be 240hz or no deal

[bright shard]

i need to fish react someone 6ms faster than the next person. I need a 500hz monitor.

[subtle flare]

Okay fixed my system fans so they wouldn’t run at 4000 rpm

It was set to DC on default and I switched it to PWM

[subtle flare]

I saw 8 fps on 1% lows in GTFO

Maybe I should use a DP cable

[bright shard]

if you're not using DP you're missing out

[subtle flare]

Currently using an HDMI 2.0 cable

I have a DP cable

Average FPS in main menu is 1300

Drop in game it's solid 400

But the stutters are hella bad

Thinking it might be the HDMI cable

[bright shard]

probably set fps cap to something unreasonable.

[subtle flare]

It stutters even with an FPS cap

Put an FPS cap at 240 and still stutters

HDMI 2.0 cable, FPS capped at 240

That's just looking around

Other than that, it hits around 235

[fleet canopy]

ig it could be an HDMI DP problem

Maybe not quite that optimized?

[bright shard]

vrr on?

[formal plume]

GTFO VR

[subtle flare]

Both times on and off it stutters

[bright shard]

hmmmm.....

[subtle flare]

When I come back from dinner I’ll try the DP cable

[bright shard]

windows moment.

[subtle flare]

Switching to DP didn't do anything

Actually may have made it worse

Alright time to try Cyberpunk

If I don't get stuttering then it's clearly something w/ settings and GTFO alone

[fleet canopy]

may as well try everything

And honestly I would def say it'd be on GTFO

[subtle flare]

Nah

I think it's my monitor

[fleet canopy]

Oh?

[subtle flare]

I'm stuttering in Cyberpunk hard

Like just turning

[fleet canopy]

what resolution then?

[subtle flare]

1920x1080p

[fleet canopy]

is 4k, right?

ah yeah then you're just gonna suffer ig

[subtle flare]

I don't get my 3440x1440p till monday

But I don't expect a 4090 to do this bad on 1080p

[fleet canopy]

a whole weekend away

[subtle flare]

It shouldn't be struggling on 1080p period

[fleet canopy]

well 1080p is something never intended for the 4090

and the CPU would be doing waaay more work since it's gotta do the work of a 1080p game and a 4090

[subtle flare]

So you're saying turn down culling rate on CPU in GTFO?

[fleet canopy]

as much as possible I guess

I feel like changing that doesn't do shit for anyone and it's broken but might as well try

[subtle flare]

I feel like though the 4090 should just be able to perform at 1080p regardless

I'm really starting to believe it may be my monitor

[formal plume]

the monitor affects CPU usage totally...