Eh that's not too bad tbf, just that I imagine originally when the XTX that claim of the xt to try and upsell was still correct until no one could buy from the manufacture anymore
#pc-build-help-and-tech-talk
fleet canopy
subtle flare
4080 isn’t dumb
It’s a fantastic card
The only problem with it is price and only price
@misty glacier If you’re looking for latest gen, you’re going to want to look at 4090, 4080, and 7900XTX only
4070Ti, 4060, and 7900XT are going to be effectively irrelevant and underperformed
In terms of pricing, if you get a FE card from AMD, it will be your cheapest option
However, it’s sold out
For a pricier (and essentially better) AIB version, it’ll be roughly $100-400 more expensive
Reaching/surpassing 4080 MSRP
bright shard
which are either not out yet, or still OOS.
subtle flare
AIB 4080 will obviously be more expensive than FE
If you want RT, go nvidia 4080
Unless you have cash to burn or a liver to sell and get the 4090 which is still performance king of the era by a mile
If you’re on a budget or aforementioned by many people, save the money to upgrade other parts, XTX is a decent card, though beware it has many issues alongside driver issues and immature software
bright shard
fwiw, i've not had any driver problems.
subtle flare
AMD has been doing great improving every day, so most things should be fixed by January 2023
subtle flare
fwiw, i've not had any driver problems.
The card itself has had massive issues, some of which could be fixed using updated drivers, hence the need to mention it
bright shard
list the issues.
subtle flare
Power delivery, they still haven’t fixed the fan curve, so some people still experience coil whine, and I’ve seen people having issues with the vram other than Jay2Cents
That’s only with FE card
misty glacier
Honestly now with these prices my build I got on pc part picker is 2000 dollars
The gpu is the main reason it's that much
And the fan/cooler
bright shard
Power delivery, they still haven’t fixed the fan curve, so some people still exp...
you can just change the stock fan curve?
subtle flare
you can just change the stock fan curve?
Yes, but let’s say it’s their first time and they’re not that technical
Even then if you manually change the fan curve, you can’t go above 80%
bright shard
im not going to play base an argument on stock fan curves when nvidia fan curves are shit anyway.
subtle flare
Well I never said nvidia had good fan curves either
Obviously all factory fan curves suck ass
They can be optimized so much better
However, the newest generation GPU competing against the top market share shouldn’t have trivial issues like that in the first place
Temps on nvidia’s GPUs are also better, but that’s because the 80 and the 90 have way bigger heat sinks
bright shard
my biggest argument against buying the xtx is the 2 8 pins. wrong move imo.
subtle flare
XTX is a 2 slot card
lilac plank
Is having more than 2 Ram sticks necessary?
subtle flare
my biggest argument against buying the xtx is the 2 8 pins. wrong move imo.
Really?
bright shard
Is having more than 2 Ram sticks necessary?
context.
subtle flare
What do you think should they have done?
bright shard
3 8 pins.
subtle flare
AIB versions have that
bright shard
missing the point.
subtle flare
Obviously for overclocking and power draw
lilac plank
context.
I mean I bought ANOTHER 8gb Stick since I had like 1 to begin
so should I buy more
subtle flare
@lilac plank Normal standard is having 16gb in a computer nowadays
lilac plank
ok thanks
bright shard
I mean I bought ANOTHER 8gb Stick since I had like 1 to begin
if the ram is the same timings and freqency, its probably fine. ddr4 or ddr5?
lilac plank
if the ram is the same timings and freqency, its probably fine. ddr4 or ddr5?
ddr5 I think i'll have to check
subtle flare
@bright shard AMD never looked to over clocking in the first place. The entire presence of their products revolve around power consumption and TDP Watt power draw per performance
They focus on providing extreme performance on minimal power draw
They probably never would’ve put a 3 8 pin since it’d be effectively useless for them
bright shard
except, even they walked it back. them flipflopping on power draw was the wrong move.
lilac plank
ddr5 I think i'll have to check
yeah its ddr5
bright shard
the xtx isnt all that efficient compared to the 4080
subtle flare
Yea
I don’t know what AMD did to screw up power delivery and their voltage capacitors
But they screwed up with that
subtle flare
Rip
I mean
I guess they achieved what they wanted in their eyes
54% increase in performance per watt from previous gen
bright shard
realistically, 7900xt has more oc headroom.
fleet canopy
4 is something you could get but because it's more sticks, it'd be more expensive getting a 4x4gb kit than a 2x8gb kit of the same speed and timings @lilac plank
subtle flare
At the expense of starving their core clocks and screwing over power delivery
bright shard
if you're doing ddr5, get 2 stick kits, as they OC better.
fleet canopy
Plus no point imo in having more sticks, just get a 2 stick kit of whatever speed and put it in 2nd 4th slot
fleet canopy
If you like the looks of it, you can order fake ram sticks for visuals only
subtle flare
What I didn’t like was how some YouTubers would overclock the XTX, then claim they beat the 4090, but you also have to realize that 1. Overlocked machines aren’t a baseline for comparison and 2. You should’ve made a fair comparison and overclocked the 4090, even if it didn’t have as much headroom
lilac plank
Plus no point imo in having more sticks, just get a 2 stick kit of whatever spee...
ah well I just bought 1 8gb stick so it may be a bit too late maybe after new years i'll finish the slots off with a 2x4 8gb
bright shard
What I didn’t like was how some YouTubers would overclock the XTX, then claim th...
reviewers are generally full of shit. they want views.
fleet canopy
It'd be better to get that same exact stick again imo
bright shard
you can cherrypick even situations where the xtx outperforms the 4090, but its not same, and does not hold water.
subtle flare
reviewers are generally full of shit. they want views.
Some are, others aren’t. Majority of what I saw were full of shit though, yea
fleet canopy
Is it an oc 7900xtx vs a stock 4090?
subtle flare
Yes
bright shard
tbh if we're gonna compare cards, they should be founder to founder.
its disingenuous
subtle flare
Yea
And that’s been done
I got my PSU finally ordered for once
After being months back ordered
bright shard
Some are, others aren’t. Majority of what I saw were full of shit though, yea
the only ones i take as slightly better than nothing is linus and gamersnexus
as they will give charts, where others give crap.
subtle flare
I suppose I don’t have a need to overclock my build
subtle flare
the only ones i take as slightly better than nothing is linus and gamersnexus
Yea those are my top 2 as well
Jay comes 3rd
bright shard
j is a shill
fleet canopy
He's not a bad source for custom loop info I guess
bright shard
I suppose I don’t have a need to overclock my build
maybe OC your memory for better minimums.
unless you payed out the ass for XMP
OCing ram on a working windows install is ballsy
subtle flare
64 gb of DDR5-6000 G.Skill Trident Neo
bright shard
do it early or not at all
bright shard
same horse different ass.
bright shard
try for better timings then. unless its stock xmp voltage is 1.4
subtle flare
I’ll check when I get back and have my PSU on hand
Then I’ll be able to finally get into my bios for the first time
fleet canopy
Tradeda 4090 for a GT 710 
subtle flare
<@297431539065683980> let’s do a gpu trade
Since when did my boss ever talk in here 👀
Maybe I’ll give you a 3060 TI
hexed estuary
I wasn’t looking for a fair trade.
I was looking for something that rhymes with forky nighty
fleet canopy
My son would like to buy the rrticks furty nienty
wowieieieieeieieiei!!!!!
I don't need to trade my kidneys for a 4090 and 7900x anymor!!!
bright shard
Aww i wanted muns
fleet canopy
And buy the 1440p 360hz monitor!
formal plume
the only ones i take as slightly better than nothing is linus and gamersnexus
I like how Linus receives the most flack while Nexus gets only praise
fleet canopy
How so?
formal plume
oh LTT gets so many hate comments because "oh I can only game at 480p, how dare you review the RTX 4090 at 4K and 1080p I want your company to burn down"
fleet canopy
lmao
formal plume
and it just becomes the weirdest flexes of who is the most poor
"$25 for a backpack?? do you think I'm made of money! ...I don't need a backpack but I'm still angry"
fleet canopy
I think cause most people who go onto GN are usually people that actually are gonna get builds and the people on LTT are just more so not giving a fuck about it but still think it's cool
Like that's what I literally think of them
You either want random shit and memes with tech or you just want to know about stuff which GN basically provides in depth
formal plume
that makes a lot of sense
also GN I'm still a bit flabbergasted that he physically interviewed NewEgg in person
fleet canopy
I wish they did better breakdowns of their tech though
Their Xbox 360 demolition was the best one
formal plume
and yeah with LTT you get stuff like "whole house water cooling"
while with GN it's more "let's describe the reason the 4090 is designed the way it is"
fleet canopy
LTT kind of just doesn't really matter to me anymore unless it was like those 5k usd intel extreme stuff
And sometimes various stuff I might find interesting, but that's about it
formal plume
bro sameeee
bright shard
i dont pretend to think that LTT and GN are for the same thing @formal plume
LTT is largely shitposting aside from new releases.
fleet canopy
I usually just prefer GN for their reviews on products and Hardware Unboxed for their monitors and their reviews on cards
formal plume
I mean the shit posting part just makes the hate comments even better
bright shard
dont ascribe to malice what can be ascribed to youtube comments being youtube comments.
formal plume
true
the only legit drama I can think of is Maddison saying the tech industry, and Linus, is sexist
but she never led on with that
quit job
say blanket statement to rile people up
disappear from the internet
fleet canopy
Oh so that's how she disappeared?
Weird but alright
Well I looked into it and I haven't found anything of her saying anything about sexism
It was basically just something she didn't really fit into from what I can gather at least
There was one that kind of seemed to suggest something wasn't really good between people but not really a valid use of proof
celest island
can i3 12100f be used for streaming?
placid sentinel
can i3 12100f be used for streaming?
easily, if gpu does encoding
celest island
easily, if gpu does encoding
can the rx 6600xt do encoding
placid sentinel
it can but redditors recommend not going over 1080p, the amd encoding thing seems to be a performance hit
but taking the stream from gpu encoder and pushing it to a streaming server is trivial for ~any cpu
as long as u don't crazy with the latency/framerate/quality settings
bright shard
Meant i could build the computer without needing extra weight until the end
oak arrow
I need some help because I tried running tiny tina's wonderlands
couldn't for the life of me get it to work
now I'm having the SAME exact issue with GTFO
and I have no idea how to fucking fix it
and I think my CPU and my whole system is dying
like anytime 3 minutes after playing it just
crashes
and idk why
someone help pelas
dry hollow
what gpu do you have?
bright shard
inb4 stock fan curves
subtle flare
Probably, yea
I’m running a 1060 laptop and I get 2 fps but I can still run the game
Obviously a 1080 Ti is gonna be better than a 1060
dry hollow
you could try to run DDU and reinstall the graphics driver and se if that fixes it
oak arrow
I have 16 gb ddr3
and I have i5 4670k
even though the game runs
but it crashes like 3 minutes into playing
fleet canopy
Well you could stay with the card, you more likely just gotta change the ram and CPU I suppose
Unless you are able to get DDR4 without changing the CPU?
fathom sierra
its probably my CPU / RAM
Could be a bad overclock if you have one entry reverting any you have currently
subtle flare
@bright shard How are your temps on the XTX?
It seems like it’s a rising issue
In fact, there’s talk where people returned it within an hour and bought a 4080
Not sure of the temps you get, I wanna know
I knew temps were going to be higher than the 4080 but not this high and alarming
Seems like coil whine is also present in AIB models too 🤔
bright shard
<@97053039499673600> How are your temps on the XTX?
i have an xt in a baller case, junction does not pass 70.
its also a non stock card, so the cooling on it is fucking solid.
subtle flare
Didn’t you get an XTX?
bright shard
i tried very hard to.
subtle flare
Well damn
bright shard
the backorder was too fucking long.
bright shard
i did
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Well shit
bright shard
they even posted it early.
and the line was still weeks.
i didnt have time to wait as i needed to replace parents dying pc.
subtle flare
XT is going to be slightly different
So ig I gotta go find other people with an XTX
70 still seems pretty high
It’s reaching there
fleet canopy
70 is alright tbf
You can refer to my PC case where the side panel has to be open to not be 80-82 (using warzone to reach it)
And without the side panel, it's going 77-79, and causes a 5 second whirring every 10 seconds
subtle flare
70 is alright tbf
4080 strikes 60
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You can refer to my PC case where the side panel has to be open to not be 80-82 ...
XTX?
subtle flare
Man I remember those days
I wanted to play RTX Minecraft when the 20xx series came out
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It’s a 20 series
fleet canopy
That's basically how Quake ran back then so eh
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That’s when RTX first came out
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Yea?
fleet canopy
The second or third elevator lmfaoi
subtle flare
Lmao
fleet canopy
Figured I might as well just not bother until I at least upgrade
fleet canopy
As long as it's not a fucking jet engine of course lmfao
fleet canopy
Well excluding coil whine, more so the noise at higher rpms
I'm surprised I am still not going insane with the whir
fleet canopy
yeah I got used to it, but sometimes it kinda bugs me
subtle flare
I have my laptop like a jet engine
And I don’t get bothered to shit
Can’t wait to see how quiet my build is
fleet canopy
Never had a laptop for gaming in like forever
Last time I can remember using a laptop for gaming was farming sim on my dad's laptop
subtle flare
Ah lmao
I’ve owned 2 Alienware products in my lifetime of gaming laptops
Jet engines indeed
subtle flare
💀
fleet canopy
never crashed on me so it was good enough
subtle flare
Whatever works works
I got gaming laptops because they had more heavy duty components that could be used better in things other than gaming
oak arrow
Could be a bad overclock if you have one entry reverting any you have currently
did it still crashes
how do you check crash logs
subtle flare
hi waht do i do when my water rescoir explodered in my pc
Dry it out
Takes about 3 days
Don’t turn it on
Better yet, if you have a really big container or bag and those moisture absorber bead bags, throw them all together
cerulean fable
i am typing this to you on my pic right now
subtle flare
Well you’re kinda fucking your pc with water damage
It won’t take damage if you let it dry out completely
Maybe you’re lucky and it didn’t hit any components
If your computer is still on
Lmao
Yea that cpu heat is gonna force shutdown
bright shard
70 still seems pretty high
70c junction at continual max load btw. Basically only happened in crysis. Thats pretty cold tbh.
bright shard
Considering we keep getting people in here with non junction temps in the 80s, id say 70 is pretty cold.
Also that omegalul 100c junc temp on the xtx
subtle flare
I’d say anything below 40 is extremely cold
40-60/70 is moderate
Then anything 70-80 is hot
80-90 is stretching it
90+ overheating
For an XT and performance, I’d say it shouldn’t be running that hot
But then, you have design differences, fan curve differences, fan width, etc.
bright shard
Well its an ocd xt, so 350 watts
Basically 5 watts less than stock xtx.
So again. Stock xt xtx cooler is dogshit and 70c is cool for max load on air.
There is definitely something wrong with the stock cooler
I want to see a modern aircooled card with a junc temp of 40c at max load
So i can give them a Nobel prize
fleet canopy
I think at this point since the RTX 2000/3000, higher temps should at least be expected, where the 70-80c range is normal, and anything lower is pretty good
celest island
is ram speed important?
unique topaz
is ram speed important?
in the long and short of it, yes.
subtle flare
Damn it’s been a while since I stumbled across speeds like that
Been too busy focusing on my build with DDR5 and never saw anything really below 6000 mhz
Reminds me of the good old days
bright shard
ddr5 is a minefield if you are going AM5 route, because ideally you want 6000mhz, but at the same time, you want to push for lower CL latency if you're going to overclock.
basically only buy hynix dies if you intend to hit 6000 and beyond.
meaning timings better than 5600mhz at 32 CL latency
subtle flare
Maybe should’ve gotten 6600 mhz
I just got 2 32 gb sets of G.skill Trident Neo at 6000 MHz 30 CL each
But then I don’t have AMD’s flagship CPU
Maybe, just maybe, if 3D variants come out I’ll swap out
bright shard
honestly i'd wait until you can get 8000mhz memory
a bump of 600mhz is probably beyond fuck all fractional.
esp because past 6000 the memory gearing changes.
abstract kite
subtle flare
honestly i'd wait until you can get 8000mhz memory
It’s out and it’s simply just not viable
1.) Price: 32 gb of 8000 MHz alone is $512
2.) Looking at G.Skill’s website, the fastest thing they offer for AMD Expo is actually only 6000 MHz
Seems like anything beyond 6000 MHz lay on Intel’s side
I don’t have an intel setup this generation around, so I’ve basically got the best of the best in terms of memory
So the only thing probably bottlenecking me is my CPU
At least 10000 MHz is coming out, yea?
😂
bright shard
If you can oc to 12000 thats the next sweet spot
Does my bios even have that value lmao.
The reason they only offer 6000 is because the gearing changes after 6000 so you get worse performance.
dry hollow
basically only buy hynix dies if you intend to hit 6000 and beyond.
I got my Samsung kit to 6000 34-34-34-46
dry hollow
they are about $40 more if you compare the cheapest 6000 kit to a 6000 cl30 kit but I got the kit for free from the microcenter bundle so I aint complaining
bright shard
No, the reason is literally in the post.
Its the ratio of the cpu memory controller speed to the actual memory speed.
Main issue is that the amd chips cant cope well in gear 2 unlike intel
So, not only is the system more unstable, the performance goes down slightly before it goes back up.
But realistically, because the rates are now mismatched induces a latency penalty around gearing breakpoints.
Because the cpu can be left just waiting around for the next memory cycle.
subtle flare
Don't they sell kits at 6000 with cas 30?
Yea they do
And kinda disappointed I didn’t buy all in one go
Because when I was first building it I got my first set at $308
I bought my second set a month later at $263
This is with tax included
hollow widget
Alright if someone can help me with this it would be awesome, I upgraded from a ryzen 3 1200 to a ryzen 5 5600 (x370 board had to update bios) and now for some weird reason i have problems with my graphics card
Like when I stream any game to my friends on discord it just crashes the game screen goes black and i get a error
Already tried to DDU and install the drivers again, didnt have the problem for a while and then it happened again
hollow widget
Nevermind its worse, games crash even when im not streaming, not all the time but they do
bright shard
Nevermind its worse, games crash even when im not streaming, not all the time bu...
Did you take the gpu out when you installed the new cpu?
hollow widget
Doubt it, seems really unlikely
hollow widget
Did you take the gpu out when you installed the new cpu?
Yeah
hollow widget
Yeah dont know how i didnt think of that faster
Just did that and so far no issues but imma update if they show up again
storm pond
is about 120 fps what i should be getting with my 2080 super and r7 5800x3d? it seems kinda low compared to most games
fleet canopy
GTFO I think just has somewhat mediocre optimization
Dude with a 2080 Ti and a 9900K couldn't run this shit past 45FPS back in alpha/beta
Whereas another with an rx 570 or 580 with a 2600 could run this past 60
So it's probably still kind of all over the place depending on your specs
probably was also playing it on 4K, but honestly it was made to do 4k so it had to be bad optimization
fleet canopy
Maybe it'd do better in 1440p idk lol
storm pond
Maybe it'd do better in 1440p idk lol
you think itd magically get more fps by running it at a higher resolution?
fleet canopy
Well at 1080p it'd be on the CPU and less on the gpu
And you have a 2080 Super
So it's a possibility
storm pond
but the cpu is the stronger component here by far
fossil summit
but the cpu is the stronger component here by far
set cpu culling to the max
storm pond
set cpu culling to the max
have already done that. thanks for the suggestion though
fossil summit
I mean
This doesnt make sense when you have higher fps in most games
but
could it be that you have a 120hz display and vsync/gsync/freesync whatever turned on?
storm pond
could it be that you have a 120hz display and vsync/gsync/freesync whatever turn...
nope. i have a 280hz monitor
fossil summit
mh ok
storm pond
also ive seen the framerate go over 120 to like 150, but 120 seems to be about the average
fossil summit
Maybe look at your cpu and gpu usage
storm pond
gpu usually around 50-60% and cpu usually around 20-30%
also i have 32 gb of ram, so i doubt thatd be the problem
fossil summit
I have a rtx 3060 and an i7-12700k + 32gb ddr5 5600mh ram and I get roughly 70-80 fps on high settings
Mh
fossil summit
mhz*
Keep in mind I have a widescreen
ultra wide*
but i can check later what exactly my stats are
cant guarantee its actually 70-80 fps maybe i have it capped to reduce power usage
storm pond
Keep in mind I have a widescreen
ohhhh yeah that would be a massive gpu bottleneck then
storm pond
cant guarantee its actually 70-80 fps maybe i have it capped to reduce power usa...
i see
fossil summit
Yea I never thought I would play a really good looking game again haha
Only two things I can think of
maybe update drivers and set windows power setting to max power
- maybe your temps are just fucked up but i doubt it
fleet canopy
It isn't a tough game to run
The game just has really ass optimization like I said previously
storm pond
+ maybe your temps are just fucked up but i doubt it
nah they arent. gpu stays below 70 always, and ive undervolted my cpu so at 100% load it stays under 80
storm pond
maybe update drivers and set windows power setting to max power
drivers are fully updated as of a week ago, but idk what windows power setting is
fossil summit
In windows
storm pond
The game just has really ass optimization like I said previously
well being unoptimized can make it tough to run
fleet canopy
Which it is
fossil summit
set it to max performance
fleet canopy
There's also the part where the AI is also a big factor
It can just tank performance trying to make a path for what is like 20+ of them at once sometimes
storm pond
There's also the part where the AI is also a big factor
but but good cpu doe🥺
fleet canopy
I don't think it really matters?
I'm not too sure about that bug just about everyone says their performance just goes down to any amount when it happens
Usually significant
storm pond
set it to max performance
found it. already on high perfromance mode
fossil summit
I'm not too sure about that bug just about everyone says their performance just ...
But only the host?
storm pond
well my fps seems to be around 120 ish at the beginning of an expedition before anything has even happened yet, so i doubt thats it
fossil summit
I mean how does it even work, does the host locally run a server or are there official servers or is it peer to peer kind of style
fossil summit
well my fps seems to be around 120 ish at the beginning of an expedition before ...
I mean at the very beginning its loading in a lot of stuff so
fleet canopy
It's supposed to be peer to peer
Which explains certain things happening when it shouldn't if you ever experienced them previously, like being attacked by nothing (for non hosts)
storm pond
I mean at the very beginning its loading in a lot of stuff so
fair
fossil summit
I get massive fps drops when lowering down at the beginning
I have a really fast ssd though
storm pond
I get massive fps drops when lowering down at the beginning
i think thats normal
storm pond
💀
hollow widget
Reseat gpu.
Sorry for the ping but did not fix the issue
it was all good yesterday but the problem is back
placid sentinel
just chiming in, to me it sounds like psu trouble .. voltage dips and stuff starts crashing.. (had this, good psu started dying)
placid sentinel
he did change cpu from an i3 to an i5, bios updates and all, that's the one other suspect ofc
maybe do a bios full reset and try a "high performance" defaults thing just for size
agoeagmamosgosamg sorry 🙂 .. cpu
had it been a cpu + mb swap job then i'd say something more but since it's the same mb then i would start from those
north elk
I've had my computer crashing 2 times since I installed my new GPU, shame I can't really seem to find a log, but I guess it's a psu problem
placid sentinel
had a psu related gfx thing, the logs just said the d3d device "went away" and i technically had a functioning windows but even vnc wouldn't draw anything but a mouse cursor for me anymore
opened chassis, launched game, psu fan went "trrrrrryyyyiinngggg nope." <- 2 minutes until heat + self-protection etc
north elk
Crash as in: pc just instantly switches off during game
Happened 2 times last night
I should probably run a stress test
It was only during game after some time but
I'm pretty sure it wasn't hot
I don't play in 4k
And it's not the most demanding game
It's a way better gpu than my previous one
That's why I'm thinking psu
Uuuu didn't intend on changing this one
I'll check my specs after work
Constructor recommands 800 watts
I figured I wouldn't really need a 800 watt psu unless I am on very demanding game/4k
Or like idk mining I guess
hollow widget
just chiming in, to me it sounds like psu trouble .. voltage dips and stuff star...
I thought of that as well, but would be weird if it started showing right after a cpu upgrade that uses pretty much the same amount of power
hollow widget
maybe do a bios full reset and try a "high performance" defaults thing just for ...
yeah could try that
most of the time its just a black screen closes the game and goes back to normal, had only one time when it gave me a weird graphics glitch
placid sentinel
hope u get it sorted, probably irrelevant but check if newer chipset drivers also
hollow widget
yeah will do
hollow widget
yeah i really wanted to avoid doing that, but seems like its a thing i should rule out so will do that too
bright shard
You can always chuck windows on a spare drive.
Windows driver management is embarrassing.
I basically no longer keep valuable things in C:
Makes Migration a hassle.
hollow widget
Yeah im starting to do the same
Just put footage and important stuff on other drives
But i do have a spare drive so ill see how it goes
probably gonna do that tomorrow though
north elk
Oh bruh turns out my psu can only put out 620 watts (out of the 800 required by the gpu)
CPU is meh
wait
CPU is Ryzen 7 1800X
GPU is 7900 XTX
Mhhh I have 2 CPU fans, 2 fans, 4 ram sticks
1 NVME, 2 SSD and 1 HDD
tropic beacon
Instantly switching off during game
That's the exact issue I had when I got a Vega 64, it was in fact a psu issue, but you can probably get around it for now by power limiting your gpu
tropic beacon
What was your old GPU?
fleet canopy
CPU is Ryzen 7 1800X
GPU is 7900 XTX
7900XTX and a 1800X? What in the hell
It would have been best to just upgrade the entire setup if you planned on a 7900xtx lol
bright shard
Tfw 7700x and 7900xt
fleet canopy
7700X and a 7700XT
Or or
i7 7700k and a 7700XT
AMD is straight up ripping Intel!!! smh!!!
bright shard
7 and x inflation
fleet canopy
7x inflation due to AMD
bright shard
Can no longer afford bread
tropic beacon
7900XTX and a 1800X? What in the hell
Yeah I thought that at first too, but considering the predicament they're in, if you just limit the gpu power heavily, since it's a newer architecture you'll get more satsisfiable performance and avoid the crashing and the headache of replacing parts for the short term, and the cpu will likely be much less saturated
fleet canopy
I feel like regardless of how much it's being limited by the CPU, it will eventually use too much
tropic beacon
Yeah I don't know how the transient power spikes are on RDNA 3
north elk
It would have been best to just upgrade the entire setup if you planned on a 790...
I can gain from the gpu while waiting for the budget for cpu
It's better than no upgrade at all in the meantime I can get both
fleet canopy
no excuses 😤
now it's time for you to plan on not just using a lower wattage power supply anymore
You could probably try undervolting it
fleet canopy
idk how much you can do, but could possibly try
north elk
I'd rather not play GTFO in ultramaxRTX8K for 2 days than tweaking clocks on a system with an unsifficient PSU
fleet canopy
sm
h
you are NOT like linus smh smh
he could get a I think? 4090 to work with a 550w psu
Be like linus
Cheap as fuck
tropic beacon
Putting the old gpu is extra work, and the new architecture is more efficient, you could get the same performance at lower power consumption, or get better performance at the same power consumption, tweaking clocks isn't entirely necessary because wattman has a power consumption limiter built into it
north elk
It's already done tho
placid sentinel
monique good luck on getting the rig going, great to see ppl shoot trouble and succeed. hopefully.
subtle flare
Yeah I don't know how the transient power spikes are on RDNA 3
They are bad
Way too high for some reason
40xx series have a lower power draw when idle
fleet canopy
What about the funny idle power draw
tropic beacon
Yeah I've been hearing about all sorts of problems with them, power consumption going up when limiting framerate, the idle issue and while decoding video as well, weird shit, the current conclusion is that rdna 3 was rushed out the door, those chips have much greater potential than we were shown
fleet canopy
Overall it's the usual release, it's not bad and offers a fair price for people, but usually riddled of problems
subtle flare
Wish it wasn’t as “rushed”
fleet canopy
It'll be better in maybe half a year or a whole year
iirc the 5700XT didn't actually get some problems fixed until it was like a year into its release and the RX 6000 had an announced date or something?
tropic beacon
AMD was still way too confident with the release, they're still selling the product on a promise of what it's capable of as opposed to actually having the issues ironed out before release, usual amd shit but considering they were getting a lot better in the last few years guess we'll have to live with amd fine wine for a little longer
subtle flare
It'll be better in maybe half a year or a whole year
Don’t think so
Drivers can’t fix power delivery issues, can it?
So I doubt it
Coil whine as well
subtle flare
Maybe
subtle flare
No way
They don’t have enough market share and nvidia definitely didn’t do a recall on the 4090
It’d look really bad
On AMD’s end
tropic beacon
I think the idle power can be fixed with drivers, not sure about the rest of the issues, they'll probably do a refresh mid into the lifecycle
fleet canopy
I can't really recall a problem the 4090 had
subtle flare
12HWPR cable?
Recall that fiasco?
Even then nvidia was generous enough to accept RMAs for user error alone
fleet canopy
oh yeah power cable
subtle flare
then you have AMD not accepting recalls for 110 junction temps
Laughable compared to nvidia
fleet canopy
But the solution to that was just getting a cable from the funny custom cables
subtle flare
Lol what?
fleet canopy
Or NVIDIA could have just sent out a power cable for free
subtle flare
No it wasn’t
The solution was to plug it in all the way lmao
It wasn’t necessary to order a $60 custom cable for the cable alone
Even native adapters had the issue because of user error
There wasn’t one single instance of the cable or the card that caused the issue
All ~50 cases were solely on users
Surprisingly enough that it was an issue in the first place when the 3090 Ti had the same exact cable and didn’t see the issue
fleet canopy
From what I heard, they apparently changed something about the power cable
fleet canopy
From some funny youtuber somewhere
There was this guy who owned a 5700XT and the drivers weren't good so instead he just went for something like a 2080 Super or ti instead
subtle flare
Microsoft fucked over AMD software too
Couple months back they announced it would screw over AMD software
fleet canopy
Maybe they'll get there one day
subtle flare
AMD’s always been on the losing side
fleet canopy
Jesus discord is stuttering like a fucking nightmare
subtle flare
It’s really bad since all the major corps are also starting to shit on them
If you pair an intel chip with an RDNA card it’s even worse
Guaranteed worse performance
north elk
Only times I ever got problems with AMD driver were if I chose to manually install with Radeon Adrenalin, and Windows Update updated without my knowing
exotic basin
me and two friends still prefer AMD on principle
Was recently Intel actually overtook them again in CPUs
Like it's so "back and forth"
I don't trust amd gpus tho
Went with 3080
Just need trouble shooting next month or whenever my friend is free
I know the terminology from studying for like a month or two but building it is out of my league
bright shard
just putting it out there, my 7900xt works literally fine.
north elk
just putting it out there, my 7900xt works literally fine.
Even my XTX worked fine, this isn't a GPU problem this is me being a dumb fuck and having a potato PSU
bright shard
Even my XTX worked fine, this isn't a GPU problem this is me being a dumb fuck a...
honestly, wasnt even considering you. that was indeed a skill issue.
north elk
I've seen that "they shipped an unfinished alpha GPU, look at the number" hoax
And like
That just came out of nowhere
bright shard
im saying, a lot of stuff is overblown.
north elk
Yeah
bright shard
there are problems, but even then, the stock coolers are half the problem.
north elk
Heck, my previous GPU used to run at 95° almost all the time
PC was unironically what made up most of the heating of my room
Good times
bright shard
never had a gpu go past 70 since my 8800gt
north elk
Damn
bright shard
thing toasted itself to death at 85c
bright shard
15 years ago? perhaps not.
north elk
I mean, a gpu should be able to withstand more
Ah
I'm talking from only 10yrs ago
Yeah that's what I thought
8800gt should be able to operate up to around 100c
fading sapphire
Hey I got a question for a friend I am trying to get into gtfo would a P52Jc gaming lab too be able to run gtfo
placid sentinel
Hey I got a question for a friend I am trying to get into gtfo would a P52Jc gam...
asus p52jc with an nvidia geforce 310M with 1gb vram, 5400 spinning disk, 3gb memory? .. i advise against even trying
bright shard
not a chance.
fading sapphire
K thanks
dry hollow
that thing probably struggles to run windows
bright shard
probably is probably optimistic
twilit crow
Hey I got a question for a friend I am trying to get into gtfo would a P52Jc gam...
You might get to the menu if it - itself doesn't get a seizure during the starting up sequence.
To play GTFO mildly efficiently you're looking in just graphics alone at the RX570 range or better.
rose mica
fleet canopy
Yes
exotic basin
just putting it out there, my 7900xt works literally fine.
I just like Nvidia for some reason. Did hear a friend use a Radeon he bought a quite a while ago. Maybe it's an instictive thing or I'm developing schizophrenia
formal plume
thats just brand loyality
same reason people are all "I only buy Ford trucks" or "I only buy the real Oreos none of that off brand stuff"
exotic basin
Yee that's the phrase
formal plume
I mean the drivers really aren't that bad anymore
still bit of a meme
also this tbh
exotic basin
I think they're cheaper no?
fleet canopy
AMD is cheaper
exotic basin
I assumed so
fleet canopy
But you suffer no good RT and mediocre gpu software support compared to chad nvidia
formal plume
I love the "it's worse than Nvidia so it must be cheaper" attitude
fleet canopy
It gets mostly solved in like half a year
So by then it's a good product without too many bad software
formal plume
realistically who the actual fuck uses raytracing aside from a couple times to just try it
exotic basin
Wait what
fleet canopy
But when it's a singleplayer game, you might as well just turn it on
exotic basin
I got my 3080 for 780 and they're now 1k
fleet canopy
Lucky you I suppose
formal plume
"oh you don't need raytracing" bro is out here poor shaming gamers for not using raytracing
fleet canopy
But yeah prices are literally shitting the bed every time it might go down
bright shard
I just like Nvidia for some reason. Did hear a friend use a Radeon he bought a q...
preferences are preferences.
personally i use linux a lot, so good linux drives were important to me.
fleet canopy
"oh you don't need raytracing" bro is out here poor shaming gamers for not using...
If that's what I said, then it's not that I say it and then act like it's bad you don't use it
formal plume
the only game I think raytracing is actually viable on is Cyberpunk 2077
fleet canopy
It's just that NVIDIA is expensive as fuck and ray tracing was literally a pointless thing to use until the RTX 4000
bright shard
tfw i load up a gorgeous hyperdetailed game.
no raytracing support.
formal plume
otherwise it's just that GTA 5 "we drenched everything in water" RTX
formal plume
tfw i load up a gorgeous hyperdetailed game.
no raytracing support.
yeah it's actually this
if GTFO had amazing raytracing I would consider it
fleet canopy
I don't think you would
From experience ray tracing seems to make like the worst lighting sometimes
formal plume
oh because I don't support your water coated roads
fleet canopy
And by that I mean that if there aren't enough lights, it's like the literal darkest fucking side of the moon
exotic basin
I've never used ray tracing so it'll be my first experience
fleet canopy
It's probably going to be much worse than using the actual lighting that isn't from ray tracing
formal plume
ray tracing is a marketing gimmic with CP2077 being the only game that is useful for it
bright shard
the weird occluded shadows on things are the ugliest thing in this game
formal plume
It's probably going to be much worse than using the actual lighting that isn't f...
also just playing GTFO at 15FPS 
bright shard
im gonna need an explanation of what piratesimon means truly
formal plume
pirate simon
exotic basin
Winter been busy for me and my friend, who's going to be trouble shooting whenever. Idk the difficulty of a first build. But I'm not touching it
formal plume
^^^
exotic basin
The cpu cooler installation gave me some anxiety because of the cpu pins looking fragile
formal plume
literally nerdy lego
bright shard
i put a pc together about a week ago
fleet canopy
You don't really have to worry about it aside from touching the gold pins
bright shard
on a scale of hard things, its easy.
fleet canopy
It's since the oil on your hands may ruin it, so you can just wash your hands before doing it if you want
bright shard
i always just give contacts a good rub with lint free and isopropyl
if i touch the contacts
exotic basin
I'm not really certain what the issue is from it not starting. Shouldn't be PSU since the monitor did display no signal sign 
bright shard
ive had monitors just not work
exotic basin
Maybe the display port just blows for me idk
bright shard
if he does not have diagnostic leds, he needs a post buzzer
fleet canopy
Either the cable, or you should test it with another PC to be sure (if it's available)
exotic basin
I have a 1660 ti laptop I can maybe see if the monitor turns on that way
exotic basin
I have pc picker list somewhere
formal plume
nice
bright shard
if he has a gpu installed, just make sure hes not plugging the display into the motherboard like a dunce
its like a 50% occurrence in new build help sections
exotic basin
The 5950 became a 5900x and that's only change I believe
I cheaped out on ram ngl
And ssd
bright shard
if he has a gpu installed, just make sure hes not plugging the display into the ...
@exotic basin confirm this.
exotic basin
I need to go check. Got home from work
fleet canopy
I could say you might try a 5800X3d, I know it's suppsoedly a great competitor to the Ryzen 7000 series, I think it's better in gaming performance than the 5900x if that's what you're solely looking for
exotic basin
The gpu yep 
bright shard
dont do that
fleet canopy
Is that a cable connecting to the card into the card?
Or is that what the cables look like with the multi cable split thing
bright shard
its a 2 8pin
fleet canopy
Ah ok so that's what it just looks like then
bright shard
so definitely not kosher
exotic basin
I believe the psu and gpu are connected
Might have to text him later if he remembers what he did
bright shard
the skill solution to this is run another separate 8 pin
exotic basin
If they weren't connected and it starts im going to die laughing
exotic basin
A what 
Ah
Idk if I have any
Unless it's in the box
I have some stuff leftover
fleet canopy
Just use a nail and hammer it down! 
bright shard
looks like youre missing a cpu power cable
you have a post display led in the bottom left, you dont need a buzzer.
top left. next to the other cpu power
fleet canopy
I mean, I suppose cause of some being a newer power req
bright shard
good boards come with extra
fleet canopy
Or that yeah ig so
exotic basin
Thinking
Maybe I've misplaced them in one of the boxes
Maybe
All I did was install the ram sticks, my buddy did everything else
I think he's at work today
A busy man
bright shard
for sanitys sake, if the pc is plugged into the wall, unplug it.
exotic basin
It's not plugged
The case by itself
That much I can tell you 
I'm not very fluent in technology
My knowledge is what I've looked up for a week on YouTube
So I'm kinda unbearable 
bright shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL4DCEp7blY
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHY6ygHj80c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5jFXl0GZJo
trimming armor.
exotic basin
last tide
Could be due to the liquid cooling setup, some motherboards refuse to post without the primary CPU fan connected. Might be worth trying to move that CHA_FAN1 to CPU_FAN
bright shard
wait
lmao his AIO isnt even plugged in
its a good thing this thing didnt even try to post.
exotic basin
bright shard
this thing needs a step back.
last tide
You're probably safe on the CPU/GPU plugs being mixed up, the plugs don't fit together without modification.
exotic basin
My friend did say he was rusty in pc building but I rather him on it than me
bright shard
because of the pigtails i wonder if its possible.
exotic basin
I'm just too overwhelmed trying to process everything 
bright shard
just take some notes
exotic basin
Ye I'm taking screenshots ig
last tide
Even with the pigtails, they should not fit together. If you managed to power on with either switched you'd put 12V to ground and probably get some smoke
bright shard
change gpu power cables to be on separate cables.
check cpu power cables because you have one empty.
actually plug in your AIO.
you're missing standoffs.
exotic basin
Ye idk what they really look like 
i see screws everywhere
exotic basin
Aight
bright shard
they screw into the case.
exotic basin
One of these screws fits
I'll remember to label things whenever I get a second build someday
bright shard
check the motherboard manual
check the case manual.
from the PSU spec i dont even know how he has that cable plugged into his gpu, its not on the list.
1 x 24 pin ATX
3 x 8 pin (4+4) EPS (CPU)
6 x 8 pin (6+2) PCIe
14 x SATA
8 x 4 pin Peripheral
exotic basin
lmao his AIO isnt even plugged in
I was wondering what the plugs were for. Was told they were aesthetics and I just listened. Ive been lied to
bright shard
this some sort of special snowflake AIO?
that doesnt take power from the pump header?
exotic basin
last tide
The GPU is PCIe, probably only 4 headers, with 2 extra via pigtails
bright shard
The GPU is PCIe, probably only 4 headers, with 2 extra via pigtails
there is no 6+2+6+2 pin on the psu cable list.
exotic basin
Why cable
Look funny
Ig since it's twin 8 pin and the design makes it not a hazard
That's my deduction
last tide
I'm seeing 6x 8-pin (6+2) on Amazon, 5th image. Also have a PSU with the same cabling
exotic basin
The cable was from the GPU box iirc. Don't know where else it comes in
bright shard
from the gpu box? very weird, probably wouldnt use it.
last tide
It's included with the PSU, pigtail is built into the cable.
exotic basin
I just know it came from something
The gpu normally just comes by itself? And the warranty?
Thinking
last tide
I agree, don't use the pigtail if you have the cables from the PSU to support that GPU without it... but it's probably not why it fails to post.
bright shard
I agree, don't use the pigtail if you have the cables from the PSU to support th...
we already have several positives as to why it probably doesnt post
the cpu heatsink has the pump integrated into it, and is missing the breakout cable for power.
from the image it looks like it should be on the side next to the ram @last tide
wrong ping. @exotic basin
exotic basin
There's a cable that came with the psu. Says cpu and it's 8 pin on both ends
The aio situation I need to look into
I see one cable that was unopened and it's 10 pin with 4 pins and other row has 2 pins sticking out. Doesnt look right until I get a better look at the aio and see the plugs
bright shard
whats the 10 pin labelled as?
exotic basin
from the image it looks like it should be on the side next to the ram <@27438682...
Yep on the right side. I told him
bright shard
ah, i missed it.
bright shard
whats it say
bright shard
those are probably for front panel power button
exotic basin
Ahh
bright shard
IE, if thats what you used to start it, it aint gonna do shit unplugged.
exotic basin
ic
exotic basin
The manual fried me
I'll look up the mobo visual demonstrations next Monday
The 10 pin confusing the hell outta me
sour rapids
quick question, does anybody have stuttering issues with the game? I was having weird stuttering even with graphics turned down, and i just upgraded to a rtx 3060, and ryzen 9 5900x and im still stuttering. gonna try reinstalling but its rather annoyying
exotic basin
I'm on a 1660 ti laptop at the moment until i get my rtx 3080 and 5900x posting next week
And I've never had so many in game problems than starting rundown 7
I played r1-3 and 4 i had hiatus and came back either 5 or 6 and kept playing to present
Steam crashes, game is just frozen, etc
north elk
Receive new PSU
Install new PSU
Install new GPU
The PC POSTs, but no video output
Hear the sound of a loose object while moving PC
Shake the PC like a baboon
A screw falls
Video output reestablished
I love computers
They make me feel smart
(I guess the screw short-circuited something, but I don't have the slightest idea where the fuck if even came from)
placid sentinel
(I guess the screw short-circuited something, but I don't have the slightest ide...
story of every pc ive built 🙂 always a rattle inside the chassis and a slight shake or even a tactical tilting fixes all 🙂
north elk
That's "percussive maintenance" for you
placid sentinel
quick question, does anybody have stuttering issues with the game? I was having ...
ryzen 9 + 3060 should not stutter one bit. other games do the same? ... did u plop the r9 in an old mb or a new mb also? ... (chipset driver) ..
subtle flare
I have stuttering in a 1060
And 2 fps
But that’s because it’s a 1060
A 3060 shouldn’t be having that issue
Might want to see if you can reinstall your graphic drivers
formal plume
I get it's exaggeration but lying about numbers when the numbers matter is really cringe
like stfu about 2fps
we get it you're poor and the market sucks what else is new
fleet canopy
Maybe is 1060 is absolute shit, unlike my superior 1060 3GB that plays at 20FPS
I used to have it
Was like alpha/beta when I did
It was probably more like 35 or 40
But for what GTFO is, kind of too low honestly :p
formal plume
"it's their 1060 that just sucks"
probably full of dust
probably running off of a 50 watt PSU
probably has GTA 5 running in the background
subtle flare
@formal plume dude
I posted a ss before
And I have mentioned previously that I bought a 4090, so I ain’t “poor” like you are
It’s not exaggeration when there’s proof
1% lows were 2 fps
Average was 14 or something
Maybe even lower than that
Of course I have to go dig it up because some inbred can’t accept my word for it: #gtfo-media message
Tack that on with stuttering every single time you turn in game and it becomes 1 fps
formal plume
sounds a lot like a skill issue
subtle flare
Sounds more of that you can’t accept the truth
💀
For me though it still doesn’t change the fact that it was indeed ** 2 fps**
It’s just downright dogshit
Optimization, I get that it ain’t good
But damn
My graphics card is done for
subtle flare
Eh don’t be sorry
Like I mentioned previously, I’ve built myself a new rig
It’s about time
I won’t have fps or stuttering issues anymore
And now I won’t have skill issue in game since I can now properly aim and not have to wait until the frames unfreeze
autumn olive
gotta love that "next 
slide please" experience in any game
subtle flare
@sour rapids If anything, try reinstalling graphics drivers and then reinstall the game
fleet canopy
There could be a lot of reasons it ran at like 2fps for 1% lows
But yeah 1060 3gb pretty shit lol
Even if it isn't 2fps bad, it'd suck to be like me ending up with a 1060 3gb instead of a 6gb
subtle flare
@fleet canopy I’ll check my graphics card version in a bit
It’s a 1060 6GB GDDR5
Im getting 2 fps in a 6 gb, not 3 gb, card 💀
exotic basin
subtle flare
<:veiF:1012877654690639963>
😫
Can’t wait to actually boot up my new build when I get back
exotic basin
nice
ebon kindle
It’s a 1060 6GB GDDR5
That won't be a GPU issue
That GPU isn't even that bad
Unless youve got your resolution really high or something
subtle flare
That GPU isn't even that bad
It’s old
You can’t really even run above 1080p on a 1060
The game isn’t optimized either
1080 should be able to hold because that GPU is a workhorse
But even then it’ll hit its limit soon
If anything it is a GPU issue
ebon kindle
it may be very old but it shouldnt be bringing you down to 2fps
subtle flare
Another perspective is that new games being developed takes up more and more GPU vram. Sure, they may be more optimized, but a 1060 (which is 4 generations behind) only has that much limited vram and performance. Even older games are being updated to the point where you’re pushing beyond what a 1060 can do
Yea, I can run Skyrim and Cyberpunk, but performance?
It’s just dying
Then you got RT, which doesn’t exist for 10xx series cards and is now becoming the standard norm
Realistically speaking, if I did something as crazy as Let’s Game It Out, or played heavily modded games, I would get worse performance compared to 2 FPS GTFO
Used to load up a 200 mods Minecraft, got less than 15 fps since it was so big
If I ran Cyberpunk w/ mods, I’d probably get around what I get in GTFO, probably less
Then if I did something on Hydroneer where I plant a million plants, I wouldn’t even get 0.7 frames. My game would just legit die on itself
The bar’s been raised a long time ago with GPUs. It isn’t the 10xx series that you should have, but the baseline is at the 20xx series
Soon I will aspire to be on your level 😫
fleet canopy
I decided to upgrade to a 1440p monitor while I had a 1060 3gb
And then realized it is so bad that soon after I got a 2070 Super for 500$
It was like a new ish product, scalping and the bitcoin thing didn't quite hit it yet
subtle flare
Gonna need to buy a second monitor soon
fleet canopy
I need one as well, I do have one but it's kind of a big 24" 1440p monitor
Desk too small atm, though I did get a new table supposedly coming in soon
Or well it's done and just has to be moved
subtle flare
I need one as well, I do have one but it's kind of a big 24" 1440p monitor
Yea, I’m worried for space as well
Kinda want to wait for the OLED 240 hz panels
But all they offer are 47-49 in widescreens
fleet canopy
Therre's anew one
subtle flare
I guess I could get the Corsair Flex, but that’s $2k when LG has their own for $1.7k
subtle flare
Nah, that’s not what I’m looking at
fleet canopy
Ah alr then
subtle flare
I’m looking at 4k 240 hz OLED
1440p would be a waste
On a 4090
If you wanna send it fire away
Shit why are all the new monitors so damn big
I don’t need anything above 34”
Corsair Flex is 45”
LG’s new panel is 47”
MSI’s project 451c is 49”
fleet canopy
Well apparently a lot of monitors coming out are 1440p 240hz with oled
So perhaps one of them will get 4k in soon that'll be smalle
r
subtle flare
fleet canopy
Yeah that one I was linking
It either is bullshit 0.03, or what I'm thinking is more reasonable is they fucked it up and accidentally put in 0,03 and not 0.3
And I assume it was recently put up, so they basically just didn't realize they made a mistake
subtle flare
Nah
It’s 0.03
I believe it
Considering Alienware’s was fucking solid
That was only half the refresh rate
LTT did a review on the Corsair Flex as well
Don’t recall if they confirmed if it was 0.03
But they were damn impressed
Maybe I’ll wait for CES 2023 and MSI’s display
Hell this is ass
It’s just so big
Price yea, no doubt it’s expensive
But it’s huge
fleet canopy
The 1700$ monitor?
subtle flare
All of them
fleet canopy
Ah
subtle flare
At this point it’s showing me ads for TVs at 48” 💀
subtle flare
MSI’s the only one with QD-OLED
at 240hz
Wonder how much that’s gonna cost
I don’t want to spend over $2k for a monitor
That’s literally half the price of my pc
fleet canopy
It also reminds me
What about the 4090 being bottlenecked by the CPU for 1440p?
I heard of it, but lately haven't heard it anymore
Not sure if it means that the 7900X/7950X and intel equivalent can handle it for 1440p
fleet canopy
Crysis
subtle flare
My GPU can run Crysis well
fleet canopy
You are simply just lying to me if your PC can run crysis even
dry hollow
The ray tracing is garbage in the remaster
dry hollow
And it barely looks any different
fleet canopy
Probably Star Citizen when it releases
But we don't know when it will leave early access
So whatever
subtle flare
That would actually seem reasonable
Every couple years would be 10+
Yea, it would lol
I’m not upgrading every generation
I moved from a 1060 to a 4090
dry hollow
That's not reasonable and this is coming from someone with a liquid cooled 6900 xt
subtle flare
That’s not every generation
fleet canopy
About 100$ a year if it's for 10 years
subtle flare
That isn’t bad at all
fleet canopy
That's like discord nitro!
subtle flare
Not really
fleet canopy
Red pill (4090) or blue pill (discord nitro 10 years)
subtle flare
4090 can handle 4k just fine
dry hollow
Let's be honest here, you're not keeping the 4090 for 10 years
subtle flare
And until I get hella bad frames I won’t need to upgrade
subtle flare
Let's be honest here, you're not keeping the 4090 for 10 years
Alright, if anything let’s cut it in half
dry hollow
That's more realistic