pc-build-help-and-tech-talk

[merry bay]

that really will be the decider, if they can giga-gouge a second generation with acceptable sales then they have no reason to stop

3000 series was such a massive combination of circumstances, an opportunity they milked well

selling used rounding down slightly is expected, at least here, so if i want to sell for 180 I'd list it for 190 or so

yeah little things are rarely worth the trouble. Call me lazy :x

[fleet canopy]

Just put the price of delivery into the product price and make delivery free

easy

lmao damn

[twilit crow]

You guys could always just wait for the Intel ARC or new AMD GPUs

[rigid magnet]

AMD GPU's improving in comparison to nvidia too

[torn bison]

i would wait until buying 4090, i really dont feel like having melting cables and burn my pc down

[cyan cape]

you guys can afford 4090's?

[cyan cape]

true

[deep dirge]

I relate

but cheap things are included

[subtle flare]

Intel Arc is like a shadow mid-high tier card

Until AMD releases their new GPU, I’ll stick with nvidia

Nothing’s concrete right now, but nvidia is the leading company

Hopefully this November AMD provides something substantial

That way we don’t have to blow our bank accounts out of the water

But considering I can’t really wait 2 months since I’m kinda computer-less right now, I might just have to get a 4090

[fleet canopy]

You could just buy a cheap card until you see the new stuff

[twilit crow]

It sounds to me like you've got more money than sense.

Why not get a cheaper model for the time being?

Consider investing in a processor that has integrated graphics or keep a spare GPU.

[subtle flare]

I’m also waiting for the new AMD chip

So I don’t have a pre-build either

[fleet canopy]

Ah

[subtle flare]

It’s not that I don’t have sense, I’ve already got the necessary funds from working, I’m just planning to try to get all my parts in one go so I don’t have to wait for parts to trickle in

Hence why I haven’t bought anything yet

If I ever wanted to, I already have a $700-$800 MSI Ventus 3080 I can buy

But I wouldn’t have a motherboard nor ram nor ssds or a CPU

PSU included in that list too

[subtle flare]

So this isn’t really valid because you don’t know the specs that I’m looking for

[subtle flare]

Can’t invest in something that doesn’t exist yet in the consumer market either, can I?

[fleet canopy]

Well you can always sell your 4090 for a somewhat cheaper than MSRP or if prices go fuckall, above msrp, and get the RX 7900 XT or whatever if that's much better

[subtle flare]

Yea

If the RX is better I can swap out

[viral geode]

Gonna prolly wait until 5000 series or hit up amd if their shid is good

[celest island]

is ryzen 5 5500, rx 6600, 16gb ram enough to run gtfo smoothly?

[bright shard]

I would consider rx6700 if you can get on a good sale.

Regularly goes on sale for 370 usd

[celest island]

hmm

alr

but is that enough to run the game smoothly?(rx 6600)@bright shard

[twilit crow]

I am using this now playing on 1440. I get about 100FPS. GTFO doesn't appear to be designed in a way that'll push the GPU to it's limits, so there's not much in the way of increasing those frames.

[bright shard]

From a objective standpoint, currently, a gtx970 is enough. Unfortunately all this is relative in the sense, would i pay an extra 80 bucks for another 30 fps? Absolutely. @celest island @twilit crow

[cyan cape]

its less the gpu and more the ram

[bright shard]

Game fps is weird. Sometimes performance gets left on the table because even though the fps is uncapped, the card can only push so many frames.

At that point you either make the call to deal with the current thermal load, or increase settings

[celest island]

hmm

[bright shard]

Whenever youre bound like that, at 1440p, even fsr/dlss probably wont significantly increase your frames.

I miss mining granite in runescape.

Probably the change from crt to modern monitors did it.

Even runescape at 15 fps is ass.

[twilit crow]

Depends how the game is designed and what sort of game it is. Some are optimised for operation on a single-core, others multi-core. Some require more RAM, other less, some rely on faster RAM clock speeds, others on latency.
Then you have GPU elements which is a whole other kettle of fish. Not all games have FSR and DLSS compatibility for instance and the results would naturally differ depending on the game.

[bright shard]

In linux you can force fsr on, its pretty nice.

[twilit crow]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cube-waitwhat-wait-what-gif-3463862

Linux is what I am using, how did I not know this?

[bright shard]

Skill issue

[twilit crow]

I have to agree 😂

[bright shard]

I use Nobara. So gottdamn convenient for gaming.

[twilit crow]

I am researching it, and I largely impressed so far.

[twilit crow]

Thanks for the 60+ FPS improvement 😄

[bright shard]

Gotta strugglebuss with the 970. I know the tricks.

Played ER at like 50 fps.

[twilit crow]

Threw in the: VKD3D_CONFIG=dxr12
flag too, additional 10-15fps or so.

Final result got me from 89-105fps to a solid 135+

[bright shard]

Nobara has vrr support. Unfortunately gtx 970 cant use it.

[twilit crow]

I really ought to look into this more deeply. I am running Arch right now, but seems like i'm living under a rock.

[bright shard]

I almost went manjaro/ arch.

Didn't see a yuge benefit in research without it being a pita.

Stayed on ubuntu til i broke it for the 10th time.

[twilit crow]

I like rolling BTRFS distros due to an unusual issue i've had.

Systems that are more modular are easier for me to maintain, so anything that is rolling checks out. I used Manjaro for a bit, quite liked it, then they had some controversies surrounding the team and security, went for the next closest thing.

[bright shard]

I still use windows for now, so my games are still ntfs with the prefix elsewhere

But with nobara i dont have to fuck with drivers and kernels.

Im wondering how the next fedora version will affect nobara however

[twilit crow]

Not used a non-rolling distro for a while so not something I have to deal with. Windows I have touched personally for about 4 years or so.

Crossover, WINE, Snap, Proton & Appimages took mighty care of that.

Then I discovered how to build from source and that was the nail in the coffin.

[bright shard]

you work at a part store?

[viral geode]

Y'all think Ryzen 7000 is gonna be ddr5 only?

[bright shard]

it is for a fact ddr5 only.

in fact, manufacturers are already winding down ddr4 production already.

[viral geode]

Ah beans. Oh well. I'm definitely gonna pick up on 7000 series because it's looking spicy. Just looking for what I need to budget for us all

Is*

[bright shard]

dont get any memory worse than 5600mhz 36 cas

A dies are not out yet but will be soon/new year/december.

[viral geode]

Gotcha. 7000 has me giddy like a kid in a candy store so I'm just making sure I can nab what I need

[bright shard]

i got a case, memory, and a 2tb m2 ssd pcie4.

not sure what else to get.

and an extra noctua fan. i need to get a cooler. probably gonna be dh-15

[viral geode]

I've got a built system. Just looking to upgrade from my 3900x

[bright shard]

will need cpu/ram/mobo at the very least.

[viral geode]

Yeah that's why I wanted to double check if it would be ddr5 so I can get looking for dims

What do you reckon for it

[fleet canopy]

Poddy does work in a tech store I believe

[fleet canopy]

Far as I'm concerned, he takes photos on any that are gonna be available really soon for his store

Though not really a leak image kinda thing

[abstract kite]

when someone tells me they daily drive linux: 😂 🤣 💀

[bright shard]

Cope

[abstract kite]

windows is calling

[proper wren]

I can't leak 7000 cpus

[merry bay]

I bet technically you could, but wouldn't be very wise

[livid token]

hey just wondering what's the minimum speks for a pc to run gtfo ?

also what the best settings are for performance?

[torn bison]

you have to have linux otherwise it doesnt work

[abstract kite]

minimum specs: ryzen 9000, rtx 4090

[merry bay]

steam page has min/recommended specs for every game

[torn bison]

but then he has to go look himself why would he have to do that?

[bright shard]

sure, but you missed the second half of his question.

[bright shard]

reduce anything related to fog first. they are very heavy in this game.

[abstract kite]

the second half of his question is also a nobrainer

best options for performance = the lowest settings possible

we can only assume this dude is a lazy bum

[bright shard]

sounds like a whole lot of whinging. waaahhh.

[subtle flare]

God damn it, they ran out of stock with the MSI x670 Ace

Now I have a 7900x with no mobo

[jade ermine]

im waiting for B650E

poor gang

[subtle flare]

Well apparently they held it for me

Just gonna update my payment method later

😂

[silk meadow]

is that the new am5?

[bright shard]

yes

[fleet canopy]

No

Property of Generic Tech Store #5858

[bright shard]

Probably wont buy cpu/mobo until rdna3 launches.

[formal plume]

you're on rDNA 2??

my body is still on just rDNA 😭

[bright shard]

tfw gtx970.
AMD PLEASE RELEASE THE CARDS

[dense socket]

No worries

[fleet canopy]

You must sacrifice goats to the gods of AMD

No wait, isn't that part of a satanic cult?

[bright shard]

well, i mean, actual satanists don't do animal sacrifice. Mainly just catholic propaganda and black metal theatrics.
A PC will definitely demand a blood sacrifice however, if you like it or not.

[subtle flare]

My friend claims when he builds computers, that in order for a PC to start, a drop of blood has to be shed 👀

Or else something will pop up as wrong

Must sacrifice blood to the PC gods

[fleet canopy]

Yeah just poke a hole on your finger like the doctors do to take your blood

[formal plume]

I think it's a joke from how some PC parts have sharp metal which oftens cut people

cheap case or IO shield

[bright shard]

Mans out here explaining the joke

[formal plume]

you unironically play GTFO so you'd understand people need arrows and voice acting to explain how to open a door

[deep dirge]

are there people that play gtfo ironically? idk if the game is that big

[bright shard]

If i dont get cut, my fingers get at least raw from nonsense.

[placid sentinel]

drops of blood and sweat of the brow dropping in, otherwise the gods go 👎

[fleet canopy]

Give your graphics card a good kiss before inserting to your motherboard

[bright shard]

whisper it sweet nothings before hitting the power button

[fleet canopy]

You want to give your card arousal? Sure if you want I guess

Might overclock itself and the fans go WRRRRRRRRRR

yeah once it's no longer aroused, it's just a weak card

But give it a nice kiss and it'll do just good

[bright shard]

ecto cooler ™️ shouldn't be used as a coolant.

[glossy sandal]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133985437598?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338771367&toolid=11800&mkevt=1

Thoughts on this deal?

[bright shard]

Gets a pass from me, even though its not freesync

@glossy sandal i couldn't find any deal remotely near it.

[crimson iron]

Ofc there is

[celest island]

what does free sync means

[formal plume]

sync is free

[celest island]

ok, what does that thing do?

[subtle flare]

do you know gsync?

[celest island]

nope

[subtle flare]

it's AMD's version of nvidia's gsync

[celest island]

i know nothing about monitors

[subtle flare]

rip

gsync and freesync reduces stuttering by lining up each picture of a game frame by frame

it makes games look smoother at the cost of fps

in order to use it, you need a monitor that is capable of doing gsync/freesync

[celest island]

ah, thx for explaining

[subtle flare]

obviously since the graphics card already is programmed to do it

yep

[lethal stag]

any recommended 4k monitors that has good black uniformity for games with dark environments like GTFO?

[glossy sandal]

It is an open box deal so that's probably why

[bright shard]

hmmm, sort of thing is risky with monitors

[glossy sandal]

ah, ok

lots of display units or something?

[bright shard]

hmmm, monitors come with all sorts of issues.
a short list is:
dead pixels, flickering/inconsistent backlight, bad software behavior, bad VRR implementation specific to that monitor release.

[glossy sandal]

right

[bright shard]

the best case is display unit, or the buyer just didnt like it and returned it for a better deal.

[glossy sandal]

I'm fairly sure there's refund protection stuff in place, that said

do you reckon there will be deals like this around Black Friday

[bright shard]

black friday is a scam

the best deals are to be had on ebay around new product launches

however, there is a reason i'm not exactly in the market for a new monitor.

[glossy sandal]

oh, why's that

[bright shard]

its because displayport 2 is yet to come out on nvidia gpu 4000, and RDNA3 which is expected to have dp2, isnt out yet.

the current line of cards are pushing the limit of what monitors can do

[glossy sandal]

I see

I'm not planning on upgrading my cards anytime soon though

[bright shard]

further, there are no displayport 2 monitors on the market yet to take advantage of that anyway.

fwiw, if you have a shit monitor now, buy the one you see.

[glossy sandal]

I have a passable monitor and a really old one that's pretty much dying

I'm gonna replace the old one

the passable one is maybe 2 years old and is 1080p60

[bright shard]

i rocked a 4:3 until it died as a chat monitor

[glossy sandal]

the other one is unknown age and it's a 4:3 75hz

that'll be the one that I'll use a tertiary monitor until it dies

the stand broke a while ago so it's kinda jury-rigged right now

[bright shard]

might as well pick up a gas piston arm for 20$ ish bucks

[glossy sandal]

I reckon I could also wait for a deal on a freesync monitor

[bright shard]

IMO, if your card can push stable 100+fps VRR isnt that big a deal

[glossy sandal]

I'm on a 3060ti

[bright shard]

well, either way, unless you intend to get an rdna3 card, your current card should support gsync

so i think the monitor is fine for you

[glossy sandal]

yea

I'm just hoping it'll be fine

[subtle flare]

Looking spicy

[vivid flicker]

juicy nice

[formal plume]

looks like the end of D1

[subtle flare]

Amazon fucked up my 5000D airflow package so it's arriving Wednesday

Ram doesn't come till later this week either

[pine void]

hey i was wondering if its worth going for a 3070ti over a 3070 or is there much difference other than the cost?

[bright shard]

8 fps maybe for 100$

imo, no @pine void . the 3070 is what i would get.

[pine void]

ok, thank you for the help

[proper wren]

Shhh

[fleet canopy]

Assuming Poddy lives in the US

[proper wren]

https://tenor.com/view/rtx-gpu-3080-nvidia-gif-20021847

[fleet canopy]

I can't see MSI on the card

Only a dude's face spinning around

"Slip back into the US"

[bright shard]

the forests are grey area on the border, you can totally make an exchange there

[bright shard]

i like to watch nature channels, post10 did a canadian border thing/hike

canadian border is chill AF, im sure if you wanted to illegally cross, it could be done trivially.

but as long as you're 'hiking' they dont give a fuck.

[proper wren]

https://tenor.com/view/intel-intel-arc-intel-arc-graphics-arc-arc-graphics-gif-25273802

[subtle flare]

Ayyy got my case

[proper wren]

unfortunately that case won't hold a 4000 series card

[celest island]

hmm

[fleet canopy]

I'm not even convinced that's the actual size of that

[subtle flare]

It can

My 4090 won’t have a long ass heat sink

[celest island]

how big is the 4090

[subtle flare]

It’ll have a 240mm radiator shortening the card

4090 is fucking massive fan cooled

@proper wren you sure I can’t fit a 4090 in here?

There’s this one ugly ass USB 3.2 cable out so I need to fix that

[proper wren]

Are you sure that's a 4000D sir

[subtle flare]

5000D airflow

not 4000D

[proper wren]

I said 4000

5000 can fit it

[subtle flare]

Cool

[formal plume]

stop I can only get so erect

[karmic widget]

that a huge rtx

[merry bay]

aftermarket coolers get even bigger

[subtle flare]

Yea they're massive

There's only a couple that get a bit smaller

[merry bay]

bigger than an xbox series x
finally a reason to cost more than a console

[subtle flare]

lmao

we're building a pc in a pc

done deal

can't wait to get my hands on one next week

[wheat cargo]

heyy i got fps problem with the game recently for some reason. before it was always 69 fps but now its dropped to 30-48. i tried aa couple things to put my pc super high performence but didnt't change anything. (cpu amd ryzen 2600x six core, graphic card Gforce GTX 1660 Ti)

[bright shard]

whats your gpu load when you play?

[wheat cargo]

@bright shard. Is that what you looking for?

[bright shard]

good enough.
try messing with the performance settings in nvidia settings.
otherwise i guess you'll just have to lower settings for gtfo.

[wheat cargo]

ive already done both and didnt do a single change...

[subtle flare]

I’ve had fps drops before and uninstalling + reinstalling the game brings back my frames for some reason 🤷‍♂️

Maybe give it a shot

[wheat cargo]

ill try it n tell u the news

[wheat cargo]

didn't really help sadly enought

[cunning mantle]

the fix to this is to turn off your pc

[maiden flint]

yeah, let’s maybe not post this kind of stuff please

[vast harness]

probably a tad off-topic for the channel, but it's good info for anyone who has wanted to be switching to Firefox based browsers

https://youtu.be/rw4Io8DxdGU

Could also take the red pill and install librewolf instead

[cunning mantle]

firefox is cool

[bright shard]

waterfox club

treestyle tabs also

[dry hollow]

I would still keep a chromium based browser because some (but very few) sites are broken on Firefox.

[formal plume]

if anything I actually get issues with pop-up security on chromium based browers

[cunning mantle]

ch*me 🤢

[dry hollow]

I can't pay my rent on Firefox based browsers

[proper wren]

[vast harness]

same

[bright shard]

i only have problems with sites that havent been updated since 1998

[empty juniper]

If I want my game to run smoother, what parts should I buy? Gpu, cpu, ram, etc

[bright shard]

post current specs

[gleaming vapor]

I need a new graphics card, but have no idea what to buy, pc is a Laptop, 16Gb of ram, i58300H cores at 2.30ghz, and currently a GeForce GTX 1050Ti, I want the best graphics card I can get for roughly 200 to 250 dollars USD, so far I’ve had my eyes on the 1660 but idk which to get and what will fit inside my rig

Can someone help me get the right one?

[merry bay]

Sorry to say but you can't really just buy and swap a GPU for a laptop so easily

[gleaming vapor]

Yea I figured there’d be some annoying shit about it

Is it gonna be a huge hassle?

[merry bay]

Technically not impossible, but it's so difficult you might as well call it impossible

most laptop GPU's are soldered to the motherboard

[gleaming vapor]

Oh no no

That won’t be an issue

See I’ll be taking this to a computer shop and having them do the part swapping

I just need a laptop graphics card

[merry bay]

it's not that simple

[gleaming vapor]

This one does it, I made sure of it

A big part of why they get such good rep in my town is because they can unsauder computer parts and put in new ones even on laptops and stuff

So all I need is a graphics card that will work with my specs

[merry bay]

your best bet is looking for donor parts of the same or similar model laptops, but that almost ensures buying used parts of questionable quality

[fleet canopy]

Laptops aren't really something to switch parts out of

[merry bay]

and even if the solder job was proper (which is already a tall ask) then there's no guarantee the laptop manufacturer doesn't do serialization and it won't reject the new part

[fleet canopy]

Most you could do is storage and maybe RAM

[gleaming vapor]

Ah mkay so in other words I’m fucked

[fleet canopy]

Certainly there is/are company/ies going for laptops where you are able to change and build the parts together for a functioning good laptop

There's not much you can do in terms of laptops I'm afraid

[merry bay]

closest thing to upgrading a GPU for laptops is getting an external GPU enclosure, but those come with their own set of problems to solve

and not every laptop can even support that

geforce now cloud gaming?

DLSS uses lower res and upscales via machine learning, but in his case a 1050ti doesn't have that

[fleet canopy]

you could use fsr (I think it's called?), but it's probably not powerful enough for that

cloud gaming is a good option too, granted internet connection stable and acceptable

[merry bay]

It can help a bit, if the artifacts don't bother the user. 1000 series does work ok with it

[fleet canopy]

Def not one of the final endgame of gaming systems tho I believe

[gleaming vapor]

Ok say all things considered I can find someone who knows how to replace all the shit properly in which it will work after, say i could find a working graphics card for a laptop and bring it and my laptop to that person

Pretty much the gist I’m getting is, if the company really wanted to, they could have set up systems to which it will fry the pc anyways?

Your all pretty much telling me “buy a new pc” then

Something I can’t afford

So in other words I’m fucked and my pc is gonna be out of date and worthless in a year

Great

It can barely play games now in a year it will be a fancy expensive brick on my desk

And here I am just tryna keep that brick working any fucking way I can but no literally everything single thing that can get in my way did

One part after another broke down and slowly deteriorated and now it’s happening to the graphics card

And this is the one I can’t replace

So I’m fucked

Great

Thanks

[glossy sandal]

Not sure that it'll be that bad, I've had laptops that have survived a long time, but gaming is gonna be trickier

How old is this laptop

[gleaming vapor]

5 to 6 years old now

And I can literally see by watching the task manager display how much worse my graphics card is since it was first made

It can barely run half of what it used to

I doubt it’s surviving 2023

[gleaming vapor]

See now this, this might work

[glossy sandal]

Have you cleaned it out

[gleaming vapor]

Regularly

Compressed air cans

Then again it’s been awhile since the last clean, I should do it this month

[gleaming vapor]

My laptop is practically stationary 99% of the time, and as long as it is SOME solution that isn’t “spend 2k you don’t have on a tower” I need to know more

[glossy sandal]

Wdym on a tower

[gleaming vapor]

A tower pc

No way I could afford one

[glossy sandal]

It does not cost 2k for a tower pc

[gleaming vapor]

USD?

[glossy sandal]

At least not unless you are going crazy high end

[gleaming vapor]

Yea

[glossy sandal]

Yes

[gleaming vapor]

What?

Ok wait hold on now

[glossy sandal]

With the GPU market cooling down

I think a full powerful PC could be maybe half that, less if you find cheaper parts

[gleaming vapor]

All I’m looking for is like minimum 16gb ram, cores equivalent to whatever the base standard in gaming is, and a 16 series GPU

[glossy sandal]

Yeah that sounds like a 600buck PC if you build it yourself

[gleaming vapor]

600 DOLLARS?!?!

[glossy sandal]

My brother's PC has those specs with a 1650 super

And it was just under 600 I think

This was mid pandemic too

[gleaming vapor]

MOTHAFUCA?! AIGHT OK NVM I HAVE OPTIONS

[merry bay]

laptops are premium products as far as performance goes

[glossy sandal]

2k is insane

2k for a tower PC is completely unnecessary if you can't afford it

2k is for enthusiasts imo

[gleaming vapor]

I can sell that laptop then! It’s got custom ram and some really good parts I could sell that easily for at LEAST 600 with how much it cost me

[glossy sandal]

2k for a powerful laptop on the other hand... Is not nearly as unreasonable

Because laptops are just expensive

Check with other people, I'm not super big into the building side of PCs

[gleaming vapor]

Hey looking at the prices for this laptop… omg

The base model used sells for just under a thousand dollars

I could probably get at least 1.2k

Since custom 200 dollar ram

[glossy sandal]

Yea, keep in mind a tower PC cannot be moved when in use

So you couldn't use it like a laptop

But

If your laptop never moves

Not a big difference

[gleaming vapor]

Yea it never moves

Or like

Rather I never use it on the move

For a time I lived with a friend and I had to move it then obviously but I just boxed it up

It’s always effectively just been a laptop shaped tower with a built in keyboard

And I have a monitor I don’t use the built in one

All I’d need is a keyboard and I’d have a tower setup

Well and a tower no duh

But knowing that I won’t be spending my life’s savings gives me a sense of… idk not raging violent anger? What’s the opposite of raging violent anger?

[gleaming vapor]

Serenity!

Serenity

[bright shard]

Honestly, if building a pc, i recc a budget of around 1.1k

[cunning mantle]

imagine having money for that

[bright shard]

Imagine having money

[cunning mantle]

just live in poverty smh

[bright shard]

Just sell your organs

You dont need them

Become a litch and game for eternity

[cunning mantle]

"you're valuable"
only your organs are
nothing else about you matters 😃

[bright shard]

Tfw old people leave the workforce en masse

[subtle flare]

A solid gaming build scales around $1-2k

You'll get decent prices w/ the gpu market dropping

For all I know my build is hella expensive 😭

Time to work during winter break

[formal plume]

how tf does one have a "stationary laptop" and a "mobile desktop PC"

[merry bay]

eventually it stops being a choice once the laptop battery craps out

[formal plume]

feelsbadman unlucky situation

[bright shard]

Batteries have a lifespan, its not luck, its inevitable.

[formal plume]

your dad is inevitable

[bright shard]

Your mom is evitable

[celest island]

your inevitable

[merry bay]

ur*

[celest island]

you're*

[fleet canopy]

your'e*

[celest island]

yo'ure

[fleet canopy]

yo're

[cunning mantle]

__
__

[celest island]

y're*

[fleet canopy]

y'e

[calm parcel]

a have rtx 3060ti and r9 3900x is this enough to play

this agme

game*

?

[abstract kite]

need at least a 5090ti with dlss 3 on to run 30fps in this game on low

[cunning mantle]

i know nothing about these funny numbers

[gleaming vapor]

I did more looking and I’m just selling the laptop for a tower

Cheaper, better, faster, more upgradable

This laptop could sell for an easy 800 900 dollars USD, I’ll use that to build the tower

Already got the monitor

[tender depot]

Do you think a 3070 and R7 5800X should run GTFO smoothly?

[fleet canopy]

It should run most games fairly well

Well really, just about any game

Dunno its performance precisely, but it shouldn't be lacking in anything really

[tender depot]

Hehehe okie dokie

[lavish mauve]

i have a 3060 ti and it runs just fine.

[formal plume]

I'd sure hope so

but yeah a 3060 runs it at a smooth 50FPS at max settings

[bright shard]

50
smooth

[tender depot]

Hehe

I mean i was kinda pokin fun at it but knowing ill prob get over 50fps is nice

Ty all

[fleet canopy]

I wonder if a 4090 with a 7950X could run GTFO

probably 35fps

no dlss 3.0 to help it so yeah

[merry bay]

DLSS 3 seems even less attractive than DLSS 2 in most cases. Especially if it's not on a 4090 but on lower tier cards

[fleet canopy]

I think overall dlss is just not worth enabling

Maybe for singleplayer games, then that's okay I guess

[merry bay]

slightly more artifacts than usual, ui elements flashing in motion, significantly more input lag just when comparing DLSS 2 vs DLSS 3

[fleet canopy]

yeah

[merry bay]

but if you already start at a high framerate, then it can be nice to smooth out hitches or for a slow paced singleplayer game

[fleet canopy]

I suppose that's fine yeah

[merry bay]

from what i've seen people see DLSS as a free upgrade of sorts, but it's not as simple as people believe

[fleet canopy]

FSR I could see it as that, but idk how that works

I did look at some videos but I keep forgetting

[merry bay]

with DLSS 3 if you have garbage fps with DLSS 2, it will spit out garbage with DLSS 3 as well, despite the higher framerate, it will feel sluggish. visuals are there, the feel isn't

[fleet canopy]

The visual imo isn't improved

To me it seems more blurrier

I suppose something like Modern Warfare 2019's or any game for that matter sucks cause the entire game looks like a blurfest no matter what I do, no motion blur, no dlss, and it looks like ass

[merry bay]

i find the artifacting distracting and taking away from the exerience too, but some people just want more frames.
DLSS 2/FSR can help them

[merry bay]

texture streaming or target framerate resolution scaling is to blame most likely

you get a small hitch and it just downscales up and down all the time

[fleet canopy]

Oh I suppose so

I'll check it out next time

[merry bay]

some games do that without any option to adjust it as an optimization measure

weird age

[celest island]

is there DLSS on rx 6600?

[merry bay]

no, but FSR is the closest thing if the game supports it

[celest island]

oo

[twilit crow]

I believe FSR can be forced on Linux.

[vital bluff]

I have a 2070S that runs it at 140 fps constant?? 😭

[pliant osprey]

2080 but i limit @60fps cause monitor is only 60 hz and tick rate is likely 60 anyways

[bright shard]

yes, but enemy position is interpolated so its above 60fps

[celest island]

whats that? linux

[bright shard]

fsr, AMDs DLSS competitor

Linux, a set of free(generally), open source Operating Systems

[celest island]

oo thx for explaining

[twilit crow]

It's got a different toolkit compared to Windows and MacOS. GNU/Linux is typically free, open-source and to a degree, easy to use.
Consider it the 'Android' when it comes to computers in terms of variety.

[vast harness]

yes, as a feature of proton I Believe

[old crypt]

Ok, cool that they want the game to grow….but how…with this low amout of players? Wich is really sad…..was there not enough hype or advertisement?

[vast harness]

nope

the game is just hard and punishing, as it should be

also, go to #gtfo-chat

[deep dirge]

debatable

[formal plume]

well fair okay
I meant smooth as in no jitter

not high FPS

people can get high FPS but if there is jittering then it ruins the experience

[tender depot]

alright so im building a pc in like 3 weeks cuz my management is terrible and hasnt swapped my pay to the correct bank acc yet.

kinda dont know if ill be able to run tetris on it but im putting together a 3080 with a R9 5800X. im hoping it can at least run csgo at 30fps ah geez

https://tenor.com/view/shy-anime-embarassed-girl-gif-15974488

[fleet canopy]

Dunno about tetreis

probably will do 10fps on minesweeper prob

[merry bay]

if you're already going high end, why not spend a little more for a 5800X3D? the jump in performance is massive for the amount you'd spend

unless you're planning on only playing in 4K, then no point

[tender depot]

ah geez man. do you think ill be able to run more then 2 tabs in chrome? im getting 32gb... i think i need like 128gb if i even want to think about more than 2 tabs

[fleet canopy]

256GB should be good

[tender depot]

oh ofc

[fleet canopy]

Also yeah, 5800X3d is a better choice

So much gaming improvement compared toeven 5900X

[tender depot]

id have to get a better motherboard then ig

hmmmmm. ill go check prices

[fleet canopy]

And rivals a good amount of the Ryzen 7000 lineup

It's like 200$ more than the 5800x

[tender depot]

yeah

then mix that with a 3080 and its good ig

[fleet canopy]

But I think it's probably worth the price, even if you're gonna buy the parts that's already worth 1,500$ or more anyway

[tender depot]

mhm

i can get a 3080 for like 900 euro

about 900 at least .. maybe if i want one with RGB i would spend a lil more

[fleet canopy]

RGBad

lol anyway

[tender depot]

lol

current build only has 2 pieces of rgb. cpu fan and RAM. before yesterday it was only the ram. but now i may add more rgb bits to it

case will have no rgb cuz reeeeeee im a midnight gaemer so distracting light = bad

ok nvm 3080 is 1k

but still maybe

[fleet canopy]

rgb strip

Uhh

[minor shuttle]

Min PC spec requirements for this gameeee?

[fleet canopy]

You can find them on any game's store page by scrolling down

[formal plume]

I mean what other store is GTFO on?

[cunning mantle]

the nonexistent store

[subtle flare]

This things fucking massive

[fleet canopy]

what a flex smh

too much flex for anyone here

[subtle flare]

They give you a free mousepad with this

[grand ibex]

What, the damn box?

[subtle flare]

It was in the box

Covering the gpu

[grand ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

Real talk I hope it performs well for you once installed

[subtle flare]

Lemme see if I can find it

That’s the mousepad

On a real note I wish it was a 360mm radiator, it would’ve looked nicer

[formal plume]

nice looking truck radiator you got there

[fleet canopy]

Just replace it with a 360mm

Get some scissors and cut it off

[subtle flare]

Asus had a 360mm radiator for their 3090

[celest island]

u bought it ?

[fleet canopy]

How does it perform if you got it installed by now?

[subtle flare]

Don’t have a psu

I also bought the wrong ram

I want an ATX 3.0 psu and I didn’t realize they were released so they ran out of stock with the 1300w from MSI

Ram I bought Intel XMP when I have an AMD build

So I switched Ram w/ better latency and clocks that supported AMD Expo

[fleet canopy]

Ah well

I don't think it matters whether it's some Intel or AMD thing, I don't think there's really an important difference

[bright shard]

Just means you need to set the clocks manually

[mossy elk]

yeah the 4090 is big af i've already started to see comedy gold.

[subtle flare]

Overclocking memory

[formal plume]

skill issue

[bright shard]

at this rate we should just mount gpus outside the case.

[formal plume]

wouldn't that affect performance though

[bright shard]

how so?

[formal plume]

idk

[bright shard]

the only drawback that i can see is if GPUs ever end up saturating the pcie3x16 memory speeds.

because then you couldnt use an external riser to put it outside your case and not lose a bit of performance.

[subtle flare]

They finally came out with PCIE 4.0 riser cables

Maybe I should vertical mount my GPU

[junior stone]

Fr fr ong

[proper wren]

Reserved 5800x for $300 Canadian

[jade ermine]

im very excited about rdna3

reveal and apparently launch are both happening next month

[bright shard]

if they bundle a card with 7700x put a staple in me because i'm bread

[subtle flare]

Looking at the pre-specs, it’s a bit worrying to be honest

Their flagship model will be priced 1.3-1.5k USD, which is not a lot of leeway for competition if it’s going to be priced upper range

[bright shard]

considering it will be close in raw raster, its probably going to be competitive.

also, displayport 2.1

[subtle flare]

It’ll have some competition

No doubt about that

[subtle flare]

What’s weird is that the 7900 XT had a higher power draw than the RTX 4080

And then you have all the XT models being compared to the RTX 3080 series, not the flagship 3090

Whereas the 4090 is compared to the previous generation 3090

It’s kinda hinting that nvidia is going to have better specs overall than AMD

Hopefully as the release date comes sooner it’ll paint the whole picture

[fleet canopy]

Haven't seen any about new amd gpus

when were the spec and performance released?

[subtle flare]

It kinda makes sense that 70xx XT is compared to the 3080 but their flagship XT shouldn’t be

[subtle flare]

Nothing’s benchmarked, just supposed specs

[fleet canopy]

Ah okay

So nothing really worthwhile so far

[jade ermine]

pfff dont ruin my excitement like dat homie

[subtle flare]

I mean, from what we have now, it’s the only thing that we can base things on

[jade ermine]

it does not have to beat 4090 in my eyes, just not cost 2.4k euros 😄

[subtle flare]

Only 1.85x+ performance > 3080 base is already worse than 4090 on flagship model

[fleet canopy]

To be fair, yeah. Performance just has to be nice while providing good price

[subtle flare]

1.3-1.5

[fleet canopy]

But I also want to have them make cards without the fucking beef ass coolers they glue onto the cards

[subtle flare]

Lol

[fleet canopy]

At least improve cooling

[subtle flare]

Not happening

[fleet canopy]

Which tbf they did

But I mean come on lmao

[subtle flare]

Unless we move on from silicon

Biotech is 200x better than silicon based chips

We’re talking petabyte speeds

It’s just too new and can’t be manufactured easily

[fleet canopy]

Well hopefully it's solved without the solution being bigger coolers

[subtle flare]

Lol

You can’t change the laws of thermodynamics

So I don’t think there’ll be any change anytime soon unless we discover a more innovative way to cool shit

[fleet canopy]

That's what I mean

Aside cooling, imagine forcing your products to go 90-95c

[celest island]

hmm

[bright shard]

they're designed to take it

but either way if it worrys you, just lower pbo

the real blunder is the fuckhuge IHS they stuck on it

[subtle flare]

Stock 4090 doesn’t hit 90

Surprisingly enough

[fleet canopy]

talking of cpus specifically

[subtle flare]

Ah

[bright shard]

he was talking zen4

[fleet canopy]

You could manually clock cpu for better temps I do know that

[subtle flare]

I have yet to find the thermals in my 7900x

[fleet canopy]

But lol it should have been an alt setting and not what it comes out as

[bright shard]

either way, most of them, aside from 79XX dont hit the 95c with a excellent cooler.

[subtle flare]

I’m not using thermal paste so go figure

[subtle flare]

Lovely, I look forward to high cpu temps then

[bright shard]

just delid ™️

[jade ermine]

any laptop in existence 😁

[twilit crow]

If you run a decent cooler, are patient and know what you're doing you could look into liquid metal. AMD tend to solder the IHS so de-lidding it is far from easy, however, I have had a -20C temp drop from applying liquid metal to the IHS and liquid cooler. CPU runs at a sweet 60C on load.

[fleet canopy]

And that's by their normal ramp to 95c settings?

or is it just manual oc

[twilit crow]

Looking into the Zen5 this appears to be normal and as designed.

I am running Zen4. If I were running Zen5, i'd look at reducing the clock speeds slightly as well as slightly undervolting it to bring temps down or something.

[fleet canopy]

Oh ok

it seems the only solution to the 95 temp is manual oc because otherwise it'll just want to be 90-95c as what was said by reviewers

[dry hollow]

Even on a custom loop that is the case

[twilit crow]

From what I am reading at the moment. The Zen5's should run well below 90C idle, but churn up to 95C once its wheels get spinning. Naturally, if you use Ryzen Master, you can dictate what the chip can and can't do. If you run Linux, CoreCtrl does the same sort of job.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/mxhHUC7G57c7vpejwKZyXf-970-80.jpg

[dry hollow]

Mine runs at about 40c at idle

[vocal lion]

These are the new CPUs right? The 7000 series on am5

I read somewhere that they'd raised the "max temp" ceiling, like as until now the Ryzen CPUs would hit a max 105° before throttle, now they're designed to go further, didn't read much tho so that's all I got from it

[formal plume]

yeah the max is 105c

in theory could go higher like any other CPU

[dry hollow]

I believe amd said it was safe to increase it to 115 for am5

[bright shard]

Hotplate pc

[wise kelp]

Is I buy power a good brand

[crimson gazelle]

they are quite — mid — i guess

i’d always recommend you build yourself if money is an issue, but ibuypower is alright for the prices they sell their prebuilts at

[celest island]

how about aftershock ?

[crimson gazelle]

i don't know much about them, but from their site they don't look bad

though it seems a little on the pricier side

[celest island]

im planning to buy its rx 6600 pre build

[crimson gazelle]

are you hardset on radeon?

[celest island]

no

[twilit crow]

Correct.

[lethal stag]

finally I can play GTFO at home after waited for so long...

[formal plume]

give us updates of how the game runs

hypeee

[fleet canopy]

60fps

1080p

1% 35fps

What I wonder more so is what CPU actually performs well with the 4090

Some apparently can't handle the 4090 on some games at 1440p

1080p, the cpu has to do more but apparently is fine as the 4090 doesn't seem to affect it badly

4K, of course so much goes into the card and again, CPU seems to also be fine

But somehow 1440p it's got some instances of poor performance caused by significant bottleneck

[bright shard]

there have been guesses of a driver bug for 1440p

[fleet canopy]

I guess that's the case

[stone ermine]

have you thought about the new ryzen 9 7950

or newer ig idk when it actually dropped

[fleet canopy]

I don't know if people would care too much for it cause usually those lineups are designed around 90-95c temp

I don't care cause even for the performance, manual clocking is something I don't think many want or know how to do anyway

[stone ermine]

also isn’t manual clocking risky or am i thinking of something else, still newer to pc bs so sorry if i get things wrong

[bright shard]

danger range for ryzen 7000 is 115c

danger ranges for cpus have been going up over time

its less overclocking, and more taking stable voltages and reducing them to get lower thermal expenditure

therefore getting better performance

zen4 is weird, but its the trend that both amd/intel have been going for

realistically though, someone new to computers probably will never need anything stronger than a 7700x/ 7800x3d (when it comes)

@stone ermine

addnl. there is no risk to changing pbo settings because it will still block you at the default of 95c unless you have some way of better cooling the processor.

its more fair to say, amd/intel cpus have been shipping with more aggressive power settings.

most people cant peg all cpu cores unless they're doing very multiprocessed work anyway.

part of the reason intel goes with P/E cores.

games still very rarely use more than 4 cores.

[stone ermine]

ah okay good to knwo

know*

whats your thoughts on the ryzen 9 5950?

[bright shard]

not worth building a new pc on a dead end socket. however, the cost/performance in the now, is not bad.

personally, i'd say wait until the x3d AMD chips come out, or the prices get lowered by pressure from intel.

[stone ermine]

alright i shall wait then

[vocal lion]

Y'all I found a 5600g for 160€ new

[fleet canopy]

Some leaks on 5090 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgBFTYdm0MM

[formal plume]

honestly wouldn't be surprised if like 6000 series started the change to the GPU being external

[fleet canopy]

There are indeed graphics cards that are external

Already there

[formal plume]

I mean for laptops yes

[fleet canopy]

Just gonna have to beef em up to be a gigantic cube

In fact

While they're at it

Make the card the case

No more case

Just put all the parts inside the graphics card- I mean cube, and don't bother with anything extra

[subtle flare]

Make the GPU an entire computer case

Then you have to build another pc and connect PCIE to the GPU

lol it seems like nvidia isn't the only one jacking up prices now

MSI just upped their Suprim Liquid 4090 by $185

Well, I'm glad that I saved $185 by ordering last week

[formal plume]

I mean that's still a Nvidia product

[celest island]

nvidia likes high prices

[scenic harness]

hey guys my games seem to freeze for a split second on my PC (tested this with GTFO, Risk of Rain 2, LoL., Overwatch 2 ect) and all games have the same issue of split second freezes any idea what the source of the problem could be?

games seem to randomly freeze then lag forward a few seconds

[stone ermine]

bruh 5090 leaks when the 4090’s just dropped wtf lol

i mean it could honestly just be your internet lol

[abstract kite]

I have same problem time ago, I change my Ram of 16 to 64gb and freeze never come back.

[fleet canopy]

64GB? Absurd

[formal plume]

bro runs every program at once to utilize that 64GB

just close some applications you aren't using if you're gaming

[merry bay]

if you already got 64GB, rarely a reason to do so tho :x

only need to bother with the ones that hog CPU/GPU at the same time

[formal plume]

yeah I should have specified if not having 64GB of RAM

even then having 64GB of RAM is a waste so far

unless the person is able to spend that money happily

we live in a timeline where Jeff Bezos destroyed a historical bridge to make sure his yacht gets to the ocean quicker

[merry bay]

i'd suffer without 32GB, i love my tab collection on several browser windows

and i'm not joking i genuinely do that

[subtle flare]

64gb of ram is expensive for me

it'd be a solid $600 total

price of a cpu

[fleet canopy]

For 600$?

I can find them for about 200$

[subtle flare]

32 gb of Gskill Trident Z5 Neo 6000 is ~$300

Clock latency of 30

So if I got 64 gb of high speed DDR5 it would cost me $600

[fleet canopy]

Oh DDR5

Clearly the inferior ram

But yeah that's kinda pricey

I think the better option is just getting 32GB with a pretty fast speed really

Friend bought some DDR4 32GB with a 4000MHz clock which is kinda insane to buy anyway, but he found one for a good price of about 100-120$ and hasn't experienced any freezing or stuttering since then

I'm still unsure if the speed is what stopped the freezing however

Kinda don't wanna believe it myself lol

[formal plume]

can DDR4 dual channel on one stick? 😭

[fleet canopy]

No you need two smh

[frosty wharf]

Whats goin on here

Brand New GPU. I just got it in the mail. I installed it onto the motherboard and plugged both of the 6 pins in + a 2 pin.

When I try and boot up the PC, I dont see the boot screen. Just the display of my monitor.

However, If i unplug the 6 pins and 2 pin, the pc boots perfectly w/ integrated graphics.

[bright shard]

where is your video cable plugged in

[frosty wharf]

Its plugged into the motherboard’s input

[bright shard]

in both test cases?

the video out on motherboards are disabled by default when a graphics card is installed

plug the cable into the GPU not the mobo

[frosty wharf]

Alright. Ill give it another shot. I did that previously but something else happened. Ill show ya in a sec

Alright so it booted. But now its using the Microsoft basic display adapter

Resolution is very ugly at the moment too

[bright shard]

drivers

[frosty wharf]

Ah

If thats all it is, i really should stop overthinking shit. Seems to simple. Ill let you know how it goes

[bright shard]

any luck?

[frosty wharf]

A little bit. Wasn’t sure what exactly I was supposed to be installing, but I installed the aorus engine, bios correction tools, gigabyte force config

Stuff like that

[bright shard]

what card

[frosty wharf]

3060 ti

[bright shard]

https://www.nvidia.com/download/index.aspx

geforce, 30 series, 3060ti

[frosty wharf]

Thank you lol

[bright shard]

any luck?

[frosty wharf]

Yeeeeep

I had to do a run. But were workin just fine now

[bright shard]

Excellent, enjoy your gpu. Goodnight.

Protip msi afterburner

[dusk hull]

so yeah keyboard no arrow keys

[vast harness]

that's a smol keybord

I hate it

[dusk hull]

LOL

its what I built ages ago when I played more comp shooters

like rainbow 6 siege and shit

[vast harness]

aye fair enough

I only really play TF2, so the more keys I can bind to stuff the better lol

at this point I might as well have a customization framework

[stark rain]

Lmao 13900k is 300W. Guess it's not fair to make fun of intel since it's probably good for workloads

[bright shard]

just 8% faster than 7950x

with a whole 100 watts

[stark rain]

Dang, can't wait to see if AMD releases a good X3D, though the 5800X3D was so successful and intel is having a hard time competing the price might go way up

[bright shard]

hilariously, 5800x3d still beats it in certain games.

[stone ermine]

titanfall 2 or team fortress 2

[twilit crow]

Better be Titanfall 2 💪

[stone ermine]

Right tho, i got my northstar client working not to long ago tooo

[twilit crow]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-the-office-win-winning-yes-gif-6125847

[stone ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-fucking-go-malik-wright-the-game-lets-go-lets-get-started-gif-24227553

[clear dirge]

Please tell me, no one faced such a problem?
Because of gtfo, my eyes start to hurt

[upper dove]

@clear dirge That's called eye strain bud

[vocal lion]

eye strain, one session can be deceivingly long

among other reasons

[clear dirge]

even after 10 minutes my eyes start to hurt, and as soon as I get out of the gtfo it goes away.
even if I immediately go to another game

[formal plume]

how active is the client?

main game more dead than BF2042

[stone ermine]

The client is boooming

[formal plume]

OHHH

[fleet canopy]

Team Fortress 2 is superior

Titanfall 2 doesn't even have fucking hats

[formal plume]

they're completely different games

what do you meannnn

[keen bronze]

Titanfall 2 is superior

Team Fortress 2 doesn’t even have fucking BT-7274

[vocal lion]

Yea tf2 has hats tho

enough fighting brothers

[hearty verge]

If I run mods on my game do the people I play with have to have them as well for it to work?

[vocal lion]

we can try it

[stone ermine]

exactly

[keen bronze]

All jokes aside I’m glad Team Fortress 2 is finally getting some love

[pliant osprey]

so my friend has a laptop with a 950 could it even begin to try and play the game?

[abstract kite]

just refund it within 2 hours if it doesn't run well

[upper dove]

Is there any way I can fix a skill issue with my aiming?

[fleet canopy]

Aim Lab is the aim trainer of choice for over 20 Million players, from beginners to esports pros. Our unique aim analysis optimizes your gameplay, targets your weaknesses & builds key skills for any FPS/TPS game, all for free! Time to warm up with our unlimited scenarios & rank up in-game!
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[gusty spruce]

@fleet canopy your still up

[fleet canopy]

Maybe I am!

[gusty spruce]

Hehe

https://tenor.com/view/alien-xenomorph-face-hugger-cute-hug-gif-17797493

@fleet canopy

[fleet canopy]

N o .

[gusty spruce]

Just

One hug

[fleet canopy]

N o .

[gusty spruce]

Why

[fleet canopy]

Just no

[gusty spruce]

No love for the hugger 🥲

[fleet canopy]

No

[daring loom]

[gusty spruce]

@abstract kite hehehe extra tongue

https://tenor.com/view/horror-thriller-action-aliens-face-hugger-gif-3297837

Im a big fan

[vocal lion]

ight hear me out

[gusty spruce]

Hmm ?

[gusty spruce]

Whats up

[vocal lion]

uhh

umm

uhh

[gusty spruce]

Go on

[vocal lion]

i have been advised to not continue with my statement

[gusty spruce]

You like what you see dont ya

Lmao

[near tide]

yea me and my mate need help, we completed r1a1 and we haven't progressed to r1b1, what did we do wrong is this a bug? sorry if im using the wrong chat

[pliant osprey]

shilling but also aim lab is good

[quiet juniper]

how do i stop hearing myself when i use my mic

i plugged a 3.5mm jack into my condenser mic cause my pc port's quite far and my earphones dont reach

and i can hear myself when i talk how to remove this?

i stop hearing myself when i mute but that means i cant talk either

[tough briar]

have crash sometimes when start mission. reinstaled game, followed to guide, but still happens 😄 any other tips?

[fleet canopy]

It's just the steam store page description for aim labs and kovaak

I'm not really shilling for either one cause I haven't truly used either one to much of an extent anyway

[pliant osprey]

ik i was jking, aim lab is good shit though

[fleet canopy]

True, though I do hear kovaak just seems to be better but I suppose cause it's already got loads of user generated scenes so eh

But aim lab has been out enough I would assume there might be enough of them to be good enough though again kovaak probably still reigns in user gen content being that if you need a specific training on something, it already has a lot of that specific training

[pliant osprey]

i never used kovaak, aim lab was good for getting a baseline

[tawdry grove]

My game keeps crashing on drop

Does any one have the same problem?

[bright shard]

skill issue

[tough briar]

yes

[plush fox]

stop

[twilit crow]

Anyone had any joy with cooling the new AMD CPUs yet?

[subtle flare]

I have one but I have yet to buy a PSU 😭

So I have no idea what my performance and temps are like

[twilit crow]

That's funny, i've be rearing to hear about it. What PSU you thinking of getting?

[subtle flare]

Was gonna get the new ATX 3.0 PSU but I didn’t realize MSI released it alongside their 4090 Surpim Liquid. So I bought my GPU at 2:00 am in the morning the day of release and didn’t realize the PSU was out too. Now it’s out of stock

MSI ai1300p

[twilit crow]

Seems fancy. I got a 1KW PSU which I suspect will do me for a while. I am actually waiting until ARM hits the Desktop market properly aside from residing in the Apple M1/2.
Once it does, I think i'll invest in that.

[subtle flare]

IMO it’s not about being fancy but being power compliant, especially with power draw and the stupid adapter cables. The PSU will come with a dedicated 12HPWR cable

[twilit crow]

I like the idea of power efficiency and having a suitable wattage ceiling for future-proofing. What's so special about the one that released with the 4090?

[subtle flare]

Dedicated 12HPWR channel

PCIE 5.0 ready and ATX 3.0 compliant

It’s a solid PSU as well, being a platinum rating

[twilit crow]

That I can absolutely get behind

The rest I think i'll need to research, run the math, see if it's gonna be worth it.

[subtle flare]

Worlds first PCIE 5.0 and ATX 3.0 compliant PSU

the numbers are all there, posted and lab tested

[twilit crow]

I am hoping my next chip will be ARM based and should that be the case, would drastically decrease the wattage requirements.

Qualcomm just need to get their act together and release a desktop chip already.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/04/qualcomms-m1-class-laptop-chips-will-be-ready-for-pcs-in-late-2023/

[crimson gazelle]

apple x qualcomm

i could never imagine

[subtle flare]

The consumer is. Always. Right.

[twilit crow]

I know right. It was only a matter of time though. I reckon it'll be Samsung and Google competing next with the Exynos and Tensor chips. The battle for x86 and ARM has just begun 😄

[stable goblet]

Howdy y’all, I’ve recently gotten back into GTFO after playing it when it first came out. And the reason I stopped playing is still there

I can play just fine no stutters or anything

But after the two hour mark of playing the game shuts down my computer and restarts it.

I boot the game up and can get about 10 mins in before it crashes my computer again

[bright shard]

I forgot, it wasnt temp related right?

[stable goblet]

Nah my pc keeps cool

It played the same@even when I had a cramped case with the same parts

Now I have a lian li with good airflow

The only thing I’ve recently upgraded was from i5 8400 to i5 12600k
Obv new mother board

I have 16gb of ram at 3600mhz

A 1080
750 watt psu gold efficiency

[bright shard]

You dont happen to use mccaffe?

[stable goblet]

Nope

[bright shard]

Its not the same windows install is it?

[stable goblet]

Actually no

When I upgraded the cpu I also did a system wipe

And fresh windows

[bright shard]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[stable goblet]

Same dog

Idk what to do about it

Whether it’s a setting or maybe I get a power spike that makes my computer shutdown

I’m even considering getting this

To see if it’s just a wattage issue

[bright shard]

Try lowering the power target by 15

[stable goblet]

Where would I go to do thst

[bright shard]

Any gpu control software

[stable goblet]

In game setting or on my pc

Ahh okay

[bright shard]

Preferably msi afterburner

[stable goblet]

So it might be my card?

[bright shard]

Might be a lot of things except os, mobo, cpu.

[stable goblet]

It used to do it on my old ram sticks which I swapped too

So I hope I can rule that out

[bright shard]

Alright, works for me.

[stable goblet]

The issue is reproducible but I would have to wait two hours lol

[bright shard]

Whats left is psu, gpu, wall socket.

[stable goblet]

Which I can’t do today but I will test this out tmm

Desk is moved from the original wall LOL

SO we are down to psu and GPU

[bright shard]

Different power strip?

Some can be sussy

[stable goblet]

It’s not super new

Maybe two years old?

I’ll definitely try my@best with the GPU

It’ll save me 209

200 bucks

But Ill try the psu and return it if it doesn’t work

Cause I don’t need 1300 watts for my machine

[bright shard]

Gpu transients have been a problem in the past, but idk if its the case here

Dm me after you test reduced power target

[stable goblet]

For sure I’ll let you know thank you for your assistance

[fleet canopy]

unless you're running some power hungry card like maybe a 3090/Ti or 4090, it's not worth paying for a 1300 watt lol

The most you need with a lot of builds can be done well with a 850W and those are like 100-110$

[stable goblet]

I don’t mind the extra spend by next year I’m looking to pick up a used 3090 3080 and the psu I believe the second oldest part in my system next to my GPU

[stable goblet]

lowering my max power for the gpu failed

crashed fter 40 mins

Clocks on my GPU at 1835mhz
And 81 degrees c

[bright shard]

Sounds like gpu temp problem

[bright shard]

Change the gpu fan curve

In msi afterburner

[stable goblet]

It was locked idk why

I’ll look it up soon

https://youtu.be/UHXbQ_kyebw

If cranking the fans doesn’t work I’m going to do what this guy mentioned about doing a full uninstall of potentially corrupted files in the gpu

But this problem is game specific I don’t have this issue in other games

[subtle flare]

it’s not marketing if it’s tested already. excuse the previous message, i wasn’t in the right state of mind when I wrote that 😂

I rather not use the 4 dongle cable adapter or buy an entirely new dedicated 12HPWR cable

I never said the old ones don’t work

they do

You haven’t seen the tests then

Nor what it offers

I would’ve bought a Corsair PSU because I trust Corsair PSUs

but ultimately I rather take a dedicated 12HPWR rail system than another cable adapter splitter

Corsair only offers a higher gauge cable splitter for the 4090

bruh how is a dedicated 12HWPR marketing?

[bright shard]

You must enable it in msi afterburner settings

[subtle flare]

on the PSU it’s a specific modular plug labeled

it’s a 16 pin connector just for the 4090

I mean, it is 3.0 compliant

ATX 3.0 was developed really just for the new graphics card series

that’s not really marketing

[fleet canopy]

Unless it's got the 16pin which other PSUs don't have

I don't see what makes that so special

[subtle flare]

it does

and you can say for sure no other company has made another PSU

so worlds first is accurate to a degree

[fleet canopy]

lmao

I wouldn't even care tbh

Get any good PSU and a good cable for a 4090

[subtle flare]

too sketchy in my opinion

[fleet canopy]

nah

[subtle flare]

cable mod seems like they’re doing something good at least

90 degree cable

[fleet canopy]

jayz did say on a video about melting cables that corsair has a good long as fuck cable which should not see melting for cables

[subtle flare]

yes

Because it had a higher gauge

[fleet canopy]

but frankly I wouldn't care

[subtle flare]

I watched the same video

[fleet canopy]

Just find a cable that works good for a card like a 4090 and just buy any PSU that has good reputation and isn't in the shitter for reviews

[subtle flare]

Wouldn’t be bad if you were upgrading from a previous build you already had

If you already had a 1000w PSU this is your fix for the 4090

I’ll feed my 4090 600w from a dedicated channel because that’s what I want it to do

I’m going with a near all MSI build too because I like their builds

[merry bay]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/adapter-of-the-gray-analyzed-nvidias-brand-hot-12vhpwr-adapter-with-built-in-breakpoint/

TLDR
nvidias adapter is the main culprit, not the new standard

[fleet canopy]

I think it's something to do with Intel being involved, least from what I remember

[subtle flare]

Intel helped create it

Doesnt use it because they knew it sucked ass

[fleet canopy]

the one for RTX 3000 was perfect, Intel went in and literally took a shit on something that didn't need to be fixed

That's what I'm taking from what someone said

so yeah

[subtle flare]

ARC cards don’t use it for this exact reason lmao

[zinc isle]

My pc keeps freezing or crashing from time to time when im on game or just go through some webs

This problem didnt happen when i first bought the pc but after almost 2 years later it start to crash and freez frequently