pc-build-help-and-tech-talk

[proper wren]

[slender cradle]

Hey guys. I just have a quick question. I have already done alot of research about this but I still can't seem to stop thinking about this. I'm using an rtx2080ti and everytime I play heavy game such as gtfo the temp tends to reach 85. It will go between 82 and 85 but never higher. Is it something to worry about or?

[placid sentinel]

normal ish, newer games push gpu's to their limits and yours seems to be 85.. what u can try is minimize every setting possible, see if temps float around a lower value. also if it's a desktop chassis then pointing a big fan at the opened box could be attempted.. if it stays lower then then investigate improving airflow in the chassis.. if laptop, make sure u have good ventilation under and around.. ... but i wouldn't worry too much, the gpu will not self-destruct even if it runs a bit warm

[slender cradle]

Okay I see. Well it not a airflow problem pretty sure because yesterday I tested taking out the side panel.but it didn't change anything.

Yea I mean I do normally play on like medium-high settings. Many people have told me that it's fine and it's completely normal and thT I don't have to worry. But seeing streamers play games like for exemple warzone that's a very heavy game with 60 degrees Celsius while my gpu instantly spikes to 85 the moment I load in the game. Idk it just makes me worry and wonder how they do it.

Ik normally those guy use water cooling. I perso have liquid cooling for my cpu and nothing for my gpu. If I add liquid cooling on my gpu too( I'm not a pc expert I might be saying some random shit, maybe u can't even do that to a gpu idk) would It change something?

[placid sentinel]

they do gpu liquid, needs a matching template tho

diyperks built one sec

https://youtu.be/QaoFh1DH51U at 19:30 ish

he reported very low gpu temp, to be expected ofc

[serene delta]

MSI Pulse GL76 - just got it for the wife, she a casual gamer and seems like more than happy with it

[late sorrel]

hey y'all: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/LillianaMirrors/saved/TpG6Q7
how much should I sell this for? I'm thinking 500 for the base stand and 200 for the monitor / keyboard

am I overcharging?

[bright shard]

reasonable prices

[vocal lion]

sounds like a good price 2 me

[proper wren]

[fleet canopy]

Grandma got real shit

[vast harness]

I would argue that mostly applies of you have a raid setup

512gb is pretty fine for windows + base programs

heavy stuff like games could even go just fine in an HDD for bulk storage

[junior stone]

AMD is quite good nowadays the 5600x is great for gaming. if u ever need to buy a cpu in the future i would definitely give them a try again

[tame jolt]

I've had my eye on the 5700, think that'd be overkill for games like gtfo? I been wondering about the Ryzen 5s, I just dunno anyone that has one

[proper wren]

5700X or 5700G or 5700XT

Either is great

[forest solar]

I would say when it comes to buying a CPU there's never such thing as an overkill. By having a better than necessary CPU your PC will be easier to upgrade, since your CPU won't bottleneck so easily with next gen graphics cards and other components. Some people might disagree with me on that though. Also, there is this setting "cpu culling workload" that you can use in GTFO that shifts the game's load from the CPU to the GPU and vice versa. With it you can squeeze the most out of your components if you have a bit of a discrepancy between those two components' processing power.

[tame jolt]

I'm of the same mind man, moar power moar better. I kinda wondered about that cpu culling setting, I didn't quite understand what it's doing

[forest solar]

basically just shifts some of the different calculations the CPU usually would do to the GPU (or the other way around). I haven't dove too deep into the mechanics and practical effects of this setting since my GPU-CPU pair is fairly balanced.

[thorny spoke]

is i7-11800h and rtx 3060 (laptop cpu and gpu) a good pair?

its a 300W battery

so the gpu is full powered maybe

[forest solar]

laptop CPUs and GPUs are pretty much always bad, since laptops have a serious issue with temperatures. Also, since laptops are most commonly pre-built the pairings they have are usually the best possible ones for stable gaming performance. I used to have a gaming laptop with i7 10850H + RTX 2070 and GTFO ran a stable 80 FPS but then it thermal throttled to 20 FPS every few minutes.

[thorny spoke]

i got a legion 5 which one u have?

[forest solar]

I used to have* It was an Acer Predator Helios 300

[thorny spoke]

cool

[forest solar]

but I recommend building a desktop PC for yourself as fast as possible, previous generation (RTX 2000 series) components are pretty much as powerful or even more powerful that current generation when comparing current generation laptop components to previous generation desktop components.

[thorny spoke]

i mean i would but ima broke college student, im saving my salary for a car

i prolly wont get something new to game on for atleast 2 or 3 years idk

[forest solar]

Yea I wouldn't be too sure about that. Your components are going to die before those 2 to 3 years have gone

[thorny spoke]

naaa itll be fine

but im wondering how theyll handle power consumption for the 4000 series lol

4090 ti : u need a whole dedicated power soocket

[dark ice]

PC parts are in an inevitable spiral of needing too much power to run

temperature issues too

[thorny spoke]

4090 ti: get liquid nitrogen cooling

[forest solar]

GPUs don't suffer so much from cooling related issues, that's more on intel's alderlake processors

I have an i9 12900K and holy smokes if I overclock this thing at all my PC start throttling instantly

[thorny spoke]

jeez u richz

[forest solar]

I saved, just like you're saving right now

[thorny spoke]

noice noice

[forest solar]

I wanted the best of the best just so that I wont be having any issues when I'm playing since holy smokes isn't an unstable FPS the most annoying thing in gaming history

[thorny spoke]

can relate

[tame jolt]

you'd be surprised what you can do for cheap man. I got bout $400 bucks in literal office computer refurb that I stuffed a rx580 in and it runs most stuff at high graphics for a sold 75fps

[vocal lion]

I have a legion 5 with a 5600h and 3050, a friend has a legion 5 with 5600h and 3060, as long as it's intake is not blocked, it won't throttle, but I have heard Intel will go super Saiyan and consistently try to burn the heatsinks. So if possible try to get an AMD version, also keep in mind laptop GPUs are significantly worse than their PC counterparts

Also if you get a laptop make sure you clean the fans every 3-4months

[vocal lion]

And as far as I'm aware all legion 5s have full GPU tgp

[vocal lion]

because

[thorny spoke]

oooo dang

[thorny spoke]

i would gotten an amd one but i got this one for cheap (1299 cad)

[vocal lion]

Yea I'd definitely recommend a cooling pad

[gaunt bear]

using RTX 3050 and got like 13 fps

[wide kiln]

herwwwww

[frosty rover]

What’re the recommended specs for gtfo

nvm

I dropped mad frames yesterday when I first started A match..thought I was fukked

[bright shard]

Elevator always drops frames, its a load screen

[primal linden]

Laptop?

[olive hinge]

Dont cooling pads give dust to your laptop

Had a friend whos laptop fried because the cooling pad just blow air into the fan and eventually clog overtime

[bright shard]

sounds like he should clean his laptop

[olive hinge]

Oh trust im the one that clean. That laptop

Nasty

Ass

Fann

But it is true tho, cooling pad push more dust into your system.

I would honestly just lift it up a little and let cool air from the room in

[vast harness]

undervolting

I managed to reduce temps on my laptop by like ~15c

but now I get crashes here and there

I think I went a bit to the edge lol

[final hill]

I would suggest just giving it a little more. Right on the edge

[vast harness]

nah

just -1 mV more and it crashes a lot more often lol

[final hill]

You are pretty close. GPU transient power spikes are your problem though

[vocal lion]

Cleaning often is one of the compromises you have to deal with when using a laptop

[vocal lion]

3050 mobile with 60 fps 💀

[dry hollow]

Not all laptops support undervolting

[olive hinge]

Pretty much, but you i do some ocd shit that help (not really 🐸 )

[shut basalt]

the legion 5 is pretty easy to open up and clean

it also has a big ass intake (tho most of it is just for looks)

over a solid laptop I love it

I have the 5800H and 3060 130Watt model

[shut basalt]

express ticket to BSOD for most laptops

[vocal lion]

I prefer if from just being mesh where the fans are

[placid sentinel]

like this? 🙂

[vocal lion]

:|

Kinda

[gaunt pewter]

For some reason discord won’t accept my uploads. Here’s my setup

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CggtftZsAiR/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[agile relic]

anyone else having issues where the cage drop is infinate we tried switching hosts

[lost crow]

The setup -
Ryzen 9 5900x
6900xt red devil OC

[vocal lion]

Advantage system, pog

[shut basalt]

oh hey it's the gallahad

and the o11

[lost crow]

Yeah it is love lian lis products

[shut basalt]

Well it’s a nice chassis

I like the air mini

[lilac obsidian]

lian li cases are amazing

swapped to one a couple months back & love it

[waxen eagle]

dunno why I even bother to use this much memory

[vast harness]

unused ram is wasted ram

also windows compresses less the more memory you have

[twilit crow]

If anyone needs any Linux help, DM me.

I use it exclusively.

[viral geode]

[vocal lion]

I got a question

[vocal lion]

Why

[twilit crow]

Why not?

[vocal lion]

[twilit crow]

Y'know. Linux gives better FPS on games, you get more software freedom and can run Windows Applications.

I'll be working to support ModOrganiser2 in the next month so Linux users can mod games without hassle

[twilit crow]

Y'know. Most enterprises use Linux over windows. I can prove it.

[vocal lion]

I am not an enterprise, nor do I care in doing what enterprises use Linux for, I just want an os to have on my laptop so I can play games without having issues with anticheats

[twilit crow]

Take a look at Apex Legends and how that runs on Linux - a good 10FPS better than Windows a month into issuing Linux Support.

Bare in mind, that uses EAC.

But y'know. If anyone uses it and needs help, they can come to me.

[vocal lion]

10 fps is not that much when talking about from 110 to 120

[vocal lion]

Yes we know about it valve did Linux gamers a favor

[twilit crow]

Absolutely. I owe a lot to Valve for really pushing the industry 👌

[twilit crow]

That's quite surprising. I did wonder what they'd use. Easier using Linux as base than building an entirely new system from scratch with every release. Thank you 😄

[dry hollow]

The newer xbox's use a modified version of windows

[brazen condor]

More like windows uses a modified version of xbox

[twilit crow]

I like that a lot. It is very true, it even reports as web-headers as GNU/Linux_x86_x64 but that is infact not common knowledge.

[vast harness]

stop

[proper wren]

Electric Eel can produce 400-600 volts

[sick light]

will a Ryzen 5 5600X bottleneck a Nvidia RTX 3060

[dry hollow]

Nope

[silent flume]

5600x+RTX3060 will play GTFO 2K@medium, 4K is too much. Source: I got that combo.

[twilit crow]

Really? I got a Ryzen 7 2700X with an RX580 and I use highest settings and get somewhat decent but stable fps with 2560x1440

[silent flume]

Really, a solidly stable 60 no dips unless dropping. Maybe a bench mode would be good. Nothing too fancy. Easy to compare, and if good enough extra publicity.

[mint bloom]

inolayed this game for ryzen 5 5600x and rtx 3060 and the sometimes i hace lag :/

[agile kite]

Any one got a recommendation for a 27" gaming monitor to hang out of my RTX 3070 (Laptop edition)?

[twilit crow]

Lag or frame drops? Lag is internet ping that can cause 'rubber-banding', teleporting etc. Frame-drops are when the client will stutter or hang on a frame for multiple frames.

[dreamy quest]

I use the ASUS VG27AQ for my laptop

[plush fox]

Need BTC to hit $1000. I need to buy new GPU. Short BTC 📉

[winged wave]

building a new pc, thinking of getting a 8gb vram gpu would i still get major performance issues if i did that?

[vast harness]

unless you are playing at like 4k, 8gb of vram should be fine for many games and average ML tasks

[abstract kite]

anyone know a monitor that has G-sync? wanna get the best out of my laptop RTX 2070

[fleet canopy]

A lot of them do, but are generally overpriced compared to Freesync

Just get a freesync monitor, or any monitor you like really, since all freesync works with nvidia as well

[abstract kite]

I see, I do how an Samsung SoFi account that can get me some discount out of my purchases of Samsung products

[vast harness]

do note there are like 2 or 3 versions of freesync

the older one has some issues, so make sure it has the correct one if you want to buy one

[keen sun]

Is it normal for my pc to get slow and have little freezes about 2 secs every time when i install a game?

• i9 10900
• 16 gb ram
• gtx 1070
• ssd 450gb / hdd 1tb

[narrow fractal]

are you like, playing something while also installing another game

[barren cliff]

It's technically a Nvidia Tengra centered port of Ubuntu running on Arm64 a fork or flavour of Gnu Linux but literally everyone in the world just says linux because that is the underlying base kernel whether it's Arch, Debian, and etc.

[dusky rampart]

My apologies if I'm in the wrong place or I'm missing a sticky, but any good advice out there for the game failing to launch most of the time with no warning or only opening very briefly? I've got it to launch proper a few times, but then it crashes about 30 seconds into the mission.

The game ran fine with I played briefly a year ago or so. Video drivers updated, DX updated, pretty sure my C++ whatever is fine, verified files several times, reinstalled several times and once clearing out local low and all of that.

Oh, and I also tried running as Admin and it's definitely allowed through the firewall.

[proper wren]

[fleet canopy]

Nice mousepad

Seems pretty comfy

[proper wren]

Spooky psu cx 450

[fleet canopy]

Probably not really a PC with any major power consumption

Unless it's because the PSU sucks

[dusky rampart]

update to my prior issue, randomly turned back on the windows stop bad software feature, and now it works I guess.

[viral geode]

Nice side fanel bro

[nimble halo]

hi i have ryzen 5 4650g i baught it cz i couldn't afford gpu now i got gtx 1650s should i change the cpu because i heard cpu without integrated graphics are better combined with gpu ?

[bright shard]

sounds like someone talking nonsense

[dry hollow]

Someone better tell AMD before they release Ryzen 7000 series (every CPU will have integrated graphics)

[unreal sleet]

I want to upgrade from my 3060 to a 3080 but im waiting for the 3000's to lower in price since they are slowing doing so, i was just wondering if I should upgrade my cpu as well to go along with a 3080, i currently have a R7 5800x

[fleet canopy]

The CPU is a pretty good one, no need to switch it

[unreal sleet]

ya i had a feeling i dont need to, just wanted some opinions just in case

What is Zotacs GPU's like, are they reliable or is zotac that kinda brand that should be stayed away from

[fleet canopy]

Zotac isn't bad

Far as I'm concerned, nothing bad has come from them yet

[unreal sleet]

ight cuz im looking at a 3080 from em

[bright shard]

gpu prices probably still gonna be going down

[karmic gazelle]

4000 and 7000 series just around the corner, in two months you could buy a card approximately 60% better for the same price.

Avoid MSI and Red Devil at all costs.

[fleet canopy]

I'm pretty sure NVIDIA just said "fuck you, I'm not releasing the RTX 4000 lineup unless you people buy our RTX 3000 stock"

And I'm pretty sure AMD is in the same boat as well, because they are also most likely sitting on a fat amount of stock too

[karmic gazelle]

AMD has a hard release of High-End in December.
Nvidia expected to drop in October.

Intel and AMD next gen seems to be a disappointment regarding CPUs

[bright shard]

They literally dont have a choice.

Proof of stake will decimate the new market.

Nvidia might make it out in time, but amd wont.

Aib and 3pr are freaking out because they are going to be slammed on 3 fronts.

[cursive radish]

You have no idea what you are talking about. AMD did big jump with frequency. plus 3D Cache will follow again in a refresh

[cursive radish]

AMD gpus for mining are anyway bad at least for eth. But there will be sth else to mine. ETC will stay.

[cursive radish]

RED DEVIL as from powercolor?

[cursive radish]

you can wait, 4000 series will slam 3000rtx just as 3000 did with 2000. when performance of 3000 was announced. RTX 2080 /ti were slammed to like 200-300$ range

[vast harness]

the coming gen of hardware is disappointing at best considering most perf uplifts come at the cost of increased power consumption

what happened to the ppw

[cursive radish]

well yes that if unfortunate. but at one point they had to do that so they can start cutting on the power again. people wanted big gains they got them.

[vast harness]

well, it's still to be seen how the next gen performs

[cursive radish]

i'd say you have more headroom with new chips. you can always remain to stay at 50% or lower to not use too much power.

[vast harness]

but I don't have my hopes up

[cursive radish]

ryzen nearly at 6ghz (top model) is way better deal than right now

5000 series was disappointing

7000 will be at least more significant upgrade than 3000 to 5000

adding more cores is also useless for games. games benefit from frequencies not cores, at least that the truth in today's age with 6/8cores per system

[vast harness]

that's true if you are playing some old ass game from the Source era

though too many cores do end up being kinda useless in most compute areas

except net servers I guess?

[cursive radish]

that's why both companies keep different segments of their cpu line up, from xeon and threadripper and epyc...

you dont need a consumer chip

with with one hundred cores

u will have intel this time around that seems that will be stronger than amd in terms of raw performance. they will have higher tdp and higher fps, cos they will have more cores and threads, amd wont and will keep their tdp lower which for me is better

[vast harness]

honestly the only way I see adding more cores would be helpful is to have e-cores

Intel in general has always had better per core performance

but I don't see them catching up to AMD if they don't improve the power efficiency of them (the p-cores)

[cursive radish]

e cores are bullshit cores. false advertisement

there is nothing "E" about them

[vast harness]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[cursive radish]

these cores get just as greedy as their P cores

[cursive radish]

hardly. if they adding cores and increasing frequency you wont see it

and their TDP couldnt have come in worse year. with electricity cost high, but anyway

[fleet canopy]

The only E about E cores is E

[cursive radish]

this should be in wiki. 🙂

[karmic gazelle]

Yes, Red Devil and MSI have a history of thermal issues.
Sapphire Nitro+ has always been good as far as I remember.

[cursive radish]

Red Devil with problems? This is genuinely first time im hearing about that. These models should be the pinnacle for AMD gpus. Build like a tank and whole card is basically open

this has thermal issues?

[karmic gazelle]

I'm going to check out what they did this time around, but previous models were batshit crazy with thermals.

Ah they made an oopsie several times.
Just avoid MSI, THICC, ASRock and try to get a Sapphire Nitro+ if possible

[cursive radish]

oopsie? what do you mean?

[karmic gazelle]

Red Devil newer ones is fine, they just made a shitty AIB which they quickly replaced.

I was unfortunate to get a Red Devil card with temperature issues, jumping to 95°C at max fan blow.

Hence why I always remember Red Devil for living up to it's name.

[cursive radish]

I mean every partner has issues. I can name Asus and Gigabyte as being the one i saw with the most faulty chips breaking cards with artifacts

but everyone is different

[karmic gazelle]

Asus and GB have other issues

Nvidia going hard with that ROG Strix 3090 for 200% more cash.

[cursive radish]

Thats asus

[karmic gazelle]

Of course

AIB

[cursive radish]

they are charging surplus

[karmic gazelle]

That's what AIBs are for

[cursive radish]

Nvidia already got their money once AIBs buys of their share of chips

[karmic gazelle]

Nvidia on their way to give MSI their chips just for them to misplace thermal pads by 3 centimeters and have missing thermal pads

[cursive radish]

I mean usually each generation changes, some improve some worsen, and some unlucky ones stay stuck

[karmic gazelle]

Just get an Apple M2 and you won't be disappointed because you won't be able to game.

[shell trench]

So if I give you my setup u can tell me the common problem I have? I'm curious.

CPU: Ryzen 9 5950X liquid cooled

Motherboard: MSI X570 edge carbon wifi

Ram: 4 Viper patriot 8gb each

GPU: Radeon RX 6600 xt
If not I'm just sharing my setup lol.

[runic ledge]

Thoughts on windows 10 to 11 upgrade? Worth it?

[karmic gazelle]

You have a 6600XT with a 5950X, why?

[karmic gazelle]

It's not an upgrade if it's the same

[runic ledge]

any drawbacks? I personally like the idea of proper HDR support

[karmic gazelle]

High RAM usage

That's all

And some menus bug out in settings for example data usage

[fleet canopy]

The differences between the two for performance might not be too bad aside from maybe high RAM usage like Pocket said, but overall the design is not the greatest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsVbyGbSkds Here's a video if you want to see whether it's worth it (for now I assume)

[runic ledge]

cheers

will have a good look before deciding

[runic ledge]

ooof, I really dont like the taskbar, start, and folder preview changes

[thick bridge]

Can someone suggest me a cool pc case that has the dvd van for doing, dvd/cd?

Not searching for something cheap and bad, but neither something expensive

[bright shard]

why exactly do you need a dvd burner?

[thick bridge]

because i often do cd for friends

and i prefer having it inside my desktop pc instead having an external one

[bright shard]

https://www.newegg.com/black-phanteks-enthoo-pro-atx-full-tower/p/N82E16811854069?Item=N82E16811854069

https://www.newegg.com/white-fractal-design-focus-g-series-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352067?Item=N82E16811352067

[thick bridge]

i'm not sure newegg delivery in ew (i'm from it)

[bright shard]

its just for pictures, wherever you may buy is irrelevant

[thick bridge]

I see i see

[bright shard]

ill say, if you steal a lot of music, the phanteks one is better because it has more hdd bays

and you can fit 1 more burner than the other one

i dont know if burning 3 cds simultaneously is uhhh... in your requirements.

[thick bridge]

Nah i don't need more burners, thanks for the info

wanted to tell you the case i have atm, but can't find the name,i can tell you it's a cooler master and has no glasses

MASTERBOX E500L

should be this

Do you think the second one is better of this one?

[bright shard]

feature wise, the cooling on the coolermaster is dogshit

frankly the designer should be shamed for the front panel

feature wise, they're almost identical. and the fractal one has fan filters, which is pretty nice.

[thick bridge]

Ok ok thanks for the suggest

[abstract kite]

I have managed to get my hands on 4 faulty ram sticks from Corsair… life is hard like that sometimes

[eternal lance]

Yo i got a question, My power supply (When turned on) makes a popping sound and today it did the same sound but while i was gaming and turned off the pc

What should i do cuz i am kinda freaked out

[final hill]

Any smells associated? 100% sure it is the PSU?

[eternal lance]

nope

[placid sentinel]

recommend eyeballs on the psu, if the fan for example stutters while spinning, time to hit the shops

[eternal lance]

Do i get someone to repair it or just buy a new one

[vocal lion]

Buy a new one, and for the love of all that is holy buy something good

E.g. Corsair, EVGA kolink (heard good things about them, not very popular though, if possible buy EVGA, then Corsair, then kolink)

[final hill]

I would also just look to insure all of your cables are seated properly. If the issue is persistent, just pick up another one. PSUs are not that expensive right now. I will also second EVGA and Corsair. I personally use a Corsair 850. Just something of quality

[eternal lance]

Thanks for the input
I will report back if anything happens

[obtuse isle]

Alright so.. I've come to a big issue today.

I have an alright pc, though it's an older one that I had given to me a year or so ago.

The pc was built 5-6 years ago and is definitely in need of some upgrades, considering I tried to run GTFO and I can't even play on the lowest settings without lag and slow frame rates.

I'm not sure what the build of the pc is nor do I know how to check it.

If anyone could possibly help me out so I can figure out what I need to get upgraded and work on, that'd be great!

[abstract kite]

If it’s a windows os (10 most likely) use system information

Just search up “system information” into the computer

System configuration is another good source

[final hill]

Look at comment above. List hardware here.

[cursive radish]

those laptops are god made. if there was UX similar to windows 10 and without expensive and atrocious price tag increase i'd be really god tier haha, but even if you cant game, it's perfect for longevity and speakers are insane when you need them, not to speak how good the screen is

[cursive radish]

just out of curiosity do you have viper ram or Viper Steel ram?

[cursive radish]

nope. if you are comfy with 10 stay on 10

[cursive radish]

Bitfenix is also good like whisper, but cables are rather funny. 24mobo pin is really tough to pull out but you can replace them for aftermarket ones ofc

[cursive radish]

ah i see not the steel ones cool. anyway looks nice bro

[shell trench]

I also have a question on how to fit a liquid cool GPU in this

Do I need another radiator

Mine is a single cpu loop

[final hill]

What GPU?

[cursive radish]

i mean it totally depends how you do it. but it can be through one radiator and through pump

[final hill]

I would also suggest 240 mm per part cooled.

But I also like a filled case

[cursive radish]

so it could be through gpu and to rad and to cpu and to pump and back to gpu

[final hill]

Pump, GPU, rad, CPU, rad, pump is my order

[cursive radish]

yes it could be also be like that

it's cooler that way ofc

[final hill]

Expensive though. 😭

[cursive radish]

but i do believe you need 2 rads

yes

indeed haha

[final hill]

Depends on the card

I have a 30 series.. need another Rad.

[cursive radish]

so it depends how cool you want your system to be

[final hill]

You system will always hit the thermal cap.. it is just a matter of how quick

[cursive radish]

you mean "the cap" as the highest temperature allowed?

[final hill]

Yes

[cursive radish]

because that is not true when water cooled. It can only go as high with water cooled system, unless the card is designed to be pushed to high recommended spec temps while watercooled

if i watercooled for example 1070, it will be same performance lower temps less energy used.

[final hill]

The liquid will not be able to dissipate all heat quick enough. Yes, you will thermal throttle much later under liquid.. but it will still get to that point

[cursive radish]

if i pick some other high end card and water cool it, yes, the temps will go higher or stay at the same level as before with higher performance at the same energy cost or higher, depends on the scenario now and the card

[final hill]

That is true, but you are not going to magically get a better card under liquid. You will just have the max clock speed for slightly longer. That is my point.

[cursive radish]

ofc. but what you can get is lower temps at the same max performance before when it was still air cooled and lower the wattage. at that point you can use that to make it go faster like 5-10% depending on the card and it affinity to that, if that was made for something like that when it was designed

with that you can push it same temp as before when it was air cooled and get extra performance without crashing - if the card was at that point which was throttling ofc - temp problem. and if it had good chip in it, a lot of little variables

so let's just call it "DEPENDS" on the scenario. some cards need 2 rads some will do just fine with just 1.

and the length of rad also matters let's not forget about that

[final hill]

Can't really get "extra performance." Your can't will hit a clock speed that it can.. I wasn't able to push any more clock speed out of my card after a water block.

Honestly, fin density

[cursive radish]

as im saying it depends on the card. you def need a good chip or specifically designed card to withstand something like that

[cursive radish]

ofc the more the merrier

but ofc if you have higher density fins, you will require fan with high enough pressure since air will pass through with higher difficulty then it would with less fins

[final hill]

Most fans made now are able to create good static pressure

Any quality fan.

Or fans on both sides of rad.

[karmic gazelle]

I have a triple 360 for my Threadripper build at the office.
It's a bit overkill but it'll last a long time and add more cooling.

-Still can't play GTFO wink wink

[final hill]

Big RIP

[hollow spade]

Anyone knows what gpu would be able to run gtfo?

[vast harness]

3090ti

[soft saddle]

I run 3070 pretty smoothly

[quartz jay]

my 3060 ti runs it nicely

[abstract kite]

anything 1060 and up should do

[hollow spade]

Whoops wrong group

[hollow spade]

I had a 1060 sadly wasn’t able to play the game. Kept freezing and crashing repeatedly

[fleet canopy]

Maybe that was a long time ago?

[raw turret]

That can't be due to the gpu. I play this game on 1050 Ti Mobile without much issues. If laptop version of 1050 Ti can run it, desktop version of 1060 should have no problem.

Perhaps it was driver issues

[vocal lion]

Def not the gpu

[cursive radish]

1060 6gb + should be fine but any recent 8gb should be even better and do just fine in the last 5-6 years

[cursive radish]

did you have 3gb version? also if it kept freezing that's not gpu related problem

[hollow spade]

Yeah I think it’s my pc.
It’s pretty outdated with the other specs.

I’m not very knowledgeable with specs sadly

[abstract kite]

The bad components will make the gpu not run as efficiently

so you need a well-rounded computer for it to work as its supposed to

[cursive radish]

reinstall windows, and if you are using an old HDD use an SSD instead, you wont be getting freezes that way

I also hope you have enough RAM lol

[hollow spade]

I think I have about 8gb lol

[fleet canopy]

Well just saying that won't really help, because as far as I can tell, there are no pc specs from bulko

So realistically we don't know what's wrong until we know what they have

Open task manager and look for the highlighted information

[hollow spade]

Yeah, idk much about my pc.
I just know that the processor and motherboard is badly outdated.
I didn’t know what to buy to make it run well.
Whenever I boot up my pc it’s takes a while for everything to pop up even my games does the same. I bought a new gpu for like $400 a while back but didn’t do much. So now I’m thinking of building a new pc with better specs

[tidal pawn]

Prices on the parts have dropped a lot also so good time to get them. I spent about 4k - 4.5k something like that when I made mine November last year gpu by its self was 2k...

[placid sentinel]

sounds like a 7200 hdd in play, murderously slow compared... ooorr.. a well worn ssd, never trimmed, can get sluggish

[bright shard]

sata SSDs really can breathe life in to an old desktop or laptop.
but im still waiting on zen 4 to upgrade.

[placid sentinel]

ive done sata hdd ssd gigs on many, my dads old comp didnt noticeably speed up tho.. due to a potato sprout of a cpu, couldnt compute any faster even tho storage speed boosted ~9 fold .. but yea if it spins, get ssd 🙂

[bright shard]

windows 7 does not get big increases from SSD

[placid sentinel]

hmm c users user pictures 91726 images in 600 folders, stuff like that is noticeable.. maybe not the os bootup etc stuff that much, but object and gaming storage, will not hurt at all imho

but yes w10 w11 would recommend, my w11 has been 100% problem free from day 1 (kinda amazed, read horror stories)

[bright shard]

meh depends on the usecase. personally dont like windows slamming garbage into SSDs, so i typically keep the big SSD separate from windows.

[placid sentinel]

good point.. even a browser cache can has slammage

[bright shard]

also has the added benefit of decoupling your files from your OS.

heard too many pain in the ass stories

where the main drive dies and takes the OS+files with it.

or windows updates versions and monkeys with user files.

[placid sentinel]

the only thing we use spinning stuff anymore is cold storage, like year+ retention stuff, quantity over quality

[fleet canopy]

Pfft, HDDs are clearly superior Fast speed, big storage

45 second loading screen

[placid sentinel]

and even then we hafta stack em and cache 'em to get any iops, and doing any kind of restore operation from them is damn slow, but everyone knows its gonna take a while

[fleet canopy]

Slow assets loading

[placid sentinel]

but long live zfs ❤️

[fleet canopy]

I def would do all SSD but prices are a lol

Plus I needed some more since I can't manage having a 1TB, so I went for a 3TB HDD

Threw that 1TB SSD away for that neat 3TB yeah

Def would do an all SSD for the upgrade either way

Still going to stick to 2-4TB

That reminded me I haven't got an idea for a build for a computer anymore lol

previous one was going to be an SFF, but I disliked temps, even when it seemed really good (the case itself)

I may still go with an SFF or figure out something

Yeah that was also something I was thinking but I didn't really think it would matter too much, at least in the long run

I'm just making one that would hopefully not be touched for a few years aside cleaning ofc

[bright shard]

ssd prices are set to crash/tb sometime next year. its starting to slip right now.

i bought a 2tb pcie4 m.2 5000/5000 for about 140~$

sellers are panicking just a little bit.

[fleet canopy]

Incorrect

If you need storage, just but more

I purposely fill up my drives to have a reason to buy more

[echo nebula]

jumilo.79 ,m./m,./kjhgl;'

[placid sentinel]

mine is 12345

[fleet canopy]

Really extreme benchmarking by Gamers Nexus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoaCwGVwCV4

[muted cairn]

help... my pc wont post. it turns on but i get no picture. dosnt bep and dosnt bop
disconnected everything and tried to just start the mobo.... nothing. dont have another power sup to cross test.

any ideas?

[placid sentinel]

reset bios.. remove all ram, if it beeps then, u got hope

[muted cairn]

nope... also treid that

[placid sentinel]

if no beep then bios reset and if still no beep, dead mb 😦 ... or psu, psu fan spin?

[muted cairn]

Pressed the redet Button on the backplate and removed the battery.

[placid sentinel]

some mb have a jumper u set for 10sec and remove, annihilates any transient leftovers.. but yea after that no ram no beep == psu time.. if psu no help them mb dead.. good luck

[placid sentinel]

true words, havent had such troubles with the current rig ~4 years now, mustve lucked out.. a psu did melt on me this spring but it was even older and had good mileage, no biggie.. hoping mr amazing sorted it out

[dry hollow]

What board is it?

[formal plume]

their board

[muted cairn]

Asus ROG STRIX Z590

-F

[dry hollow]

Your board has debug LED's right above the 24pin. Try turning your PC on and check what color it's showing

[muted cairn]

dead

[haughty sedge]

whats a recommended gpu to run most games 120fps

[bright shard]

at what resolution?

[haughty sedge]

1440

Or 1080

[jade ermine]

3070 or better for 1440
3060 or better for 1080
and to add, for e-sport titles and stuff like that you dont need anything special.

[dry hollow]

sounds like you need to RMA the board

[vast harness]

for e-sport stuff you'll optimally want a good CPU and a freesync/g-sync monitor

[bright shard]

Something Something real freesync range, Something greater than 100hz

[fleet canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDWEKYA2zU0

[formal plume]

I mean if you have the money just go for RTX 3060

best value GPU for gaming at the moment

[halcyon crest]

Hey, my GTFO crashes sometimes, when I start it.
So I want to update my hardware.
Any Idea what to improve on my PC?
I have Pentium 4
Geforce 7800 GTX 430 MHz 256 MB GDDR3
64 HDD
2GB RAM

[vast harness]

get a computer

[halcyon crest]

I have a HP one??

[narrow fractal]

might as well as build a new one

[halcyon crest]

I just wanna get some more FPS and a better stability. I currently play with 10 FPS

[placid sentinel]

640x350 quake 2 gtfo mod 🙂

[bright shard]

Is he trolling?

I dont even think a1 can fit in 2gb ram

[placid sentinel]

yup. improve: replace all. 64 hdd (ssd) will be ~full with a windows install alone.

[remote viper]

I've got a buddy of mine that is in Tennessee and I am in Arizona, we both measured our internet speeds and they are plenty fast enough. When we hop into the lobby together, it takes about 30 seconds to a minute to be able to see each others characters and when the Initiate Cage Drop is selected, nothin happens. Anyone know what might be causing the issues? Both my friend and myself have been able to play with other people, and we play together perfectly fine on other games like ready or not. Anyone know what the issue might be?

Figured it out "This is likely a result of Network Optimization software not allowing GTFO or Steam to function properly. This is most commonly seen with the ASUS GAME FIRST app. If you open the game and create a lobby solo, then go to the "Dashboard" of the GAME FIRST app, you should see Steam listed. Click the menu at the far right, and reclassify Steam as "Game". If you see GTFO listed, make sure it's also set as "Game" group. Exit out of the lobby and now try to join a lobby with your friends and it should work without issue."

[placid sentinel]

first report of asus gamefirst usage in about a year 🙂 <dr house> its never gamefirst 🙂

[dry hollow]

He stores his Vicodin in an Asus game first book

[bright shard]

He uses his melee weapon of choice as a cane

[placid sentinel]

his iix syringes are full of lupus

[bright shard]

He trained dauda

[civic verge]

For whoever cares i finally built my new System

[merry bay]

you forgot to turn off the black&white filter on your camera

[formal plume]

pretty nice

[pearl estuary]

Slick, would make a great Stormtrooper build, add some grey and black etc.

[late sorrel]

ugh, I need a new headset
Microphone I am totally fine on, just a headset that'll fit my big head
I have crappy bluetooth though, so that kinda limits my options a little bit

Does anyone have any good reccomendations?

[vast harness]

AKG k371 and dt770 pro are both really solid budget pairs

if anyone recommends you the ATH-M50x don't listen to them, they are uncomfortable as shit

[late sorrel]

what do the ohm options on the dt770 pro's amazon mean?

Now that you mentioned them, I vaguely remember being reccomended them elsewhere

I assume that the 250ohm are for people with amps

nvm I found it

[vast harness]

yeah

higher amperage usually means they are harder to drive with low power outputs

but in return they can supposedly deliver a better audio quality at certain frequencies

[late sorrel]

so I assume just get the 32ohm for my pc?

[vast harness]

I assume that between 32 and 80 there shouldn't be much difference sound wise, but I've read the 80 ohms one have more bass or something

in any case, for any standard DAC the 32 ohms one should be fine

[late sorrel]

I mean, I'd like something cheaper personally

however it does look pretty good

[vast harness]

hmm
well tbh I don't really know anything cheaper since that's more or less the entry level and usually the next budget thing would be IEMs

not saying cheaper good over ears don't exist. I just lack knowledge in that extremely budget-y area :p

[fleet canopy]

I recommend the ATH-M50X I love them I would literally die to have all of the ATH-M50X stock if I could

[vast harness]

I will steal your knees

[keen aspen]

not strictly gtfo reltated but does anyone know why graphics card will randomly stop working minutes after turning on my computer? restarting my computer fixes it then after about 10 minutes it disconnect again. ex. rn me and my freinds are trying to play gmod and it after the time it will alt tab and i can still hear the game doing things like me moving around and it will only show my desktop/ a black screen and my computer won't detect my graphics card anymore until i restart

[bright shard]

Laptop?

[keen aspen]

ye it's me again lol

[bright shard]

Oh jesus

[keen aspen]

for the record, very little problems until now

[bright shard]

Well thats good

Unfortunately those are bad signs

[keen aspen]

about the not detecting graphics card, task manager knows its there and geforce experience opens,and i can set things to use it, but it refuses to actually do it

[bright shard]

Maybe clean the contacts with isopropyl

[keen aspen]

you mean the contacts that connect the detachable screen to the base? because i cant get to the graphics card bc laptop no come open

[bright shard]

Former

[keen aspen]

ok phew

i hope all it is is that its dirty, but then why would restarting temorarily fix it? and it still psuedo detects it

[bright shard]

As a tech person

Troubleshooting is based in the myre of black magic

[keen aspen]

tech reasons lol

[bright shard]

You just collect more spells over time

The alternatives are not pretty

[keen aspen]

oof

so i just wiped them off real quick and now it only detects the integrated graphics but garry's mod boots up now (i failed to mention that after the disconnect the game wouldn't launch) (other games launch but not gmod)

probably disconnect+reconnect again

[bright shard]

Probably restart i guess. Pray in your next life to not get a craplet.

[keen aspen]

this thing has outpreformed all my friends gaming pc's in every avenue except for pure framerate and it has served me pretty well, just sometimes it decides to just not computer

[bright shard]

Im used to fighting computer hardware as a hobby

Because windows, drivers are harder to fuck up

But it also means could be the gpu dying

[keen aspen]

Literally

[keen aspen]

I don’t think I’ve really mistreated it in any way… also only about 2yr old computer

[bright shard]

Average lifespan of a laptop is about 4 years

But, i still use win7 because Microsoft nonsense ™️

[keen aspen]

yes

so far so good...

[bright shard]

Gpu detected?

[keen aspen]

yeah

on average i can load up into the game with my friends and play for about 5 minutes before it decides to auto alt tab and not tab back in and no more gpu

also happy birthday?

[bright shard]

Honestly, i like steam remote play.

Yeuss

[keen aspen]

what is that

[bright shard]

Have gamen pc stream to something else

[keen aspen]

lol i hope laptop troubleshooting isn't ruining your birthdayi can only imagine this is the last thing you wanted to do

[bright shard]

Im in bed just krillin time

Midnight

[fleet canopy]

Midnight

[keen aspen]

i loaded up the server then immediatly the thing happened

[bright shard]

Dang.

[keen aspen]

i can walk around and hear the stuff their doing but i can't see

this again

random spike when i closed the game and then immediately back to zero

[bright shard]

Windows btw

[fleet canopy]

winding

[keen aspen]

game no longer starts up again. just tested and some other games will start just gmod is being mean

windows 11

[fleet canopy]

Now that's the problem

[keen aspen]

yeah yeah windows = poopy but for real why is this happening

[fleet canopy]

Perhaps you could force the program to use the GPU

[bright shard]

You disturbed the elder gods

[fleet canopy]

Or that

To prevent the elder gods, turn on the oven to 500 Fahrenheit, and put your laptop in there

[keen aspen]

i mean i prayed to the machine gods

[bright shard]

Reinstall gpu drivers?

[keen aspen]

just find the drivers in the files and delete?

[fleet canopy]

Don't pray to machine gods

Pray for Tech Jesus

[bright shard]

Is that still a thing?

[fleet canopy]

Free mod mat perhaps

[bright shard]

Tech jesus pity the foo with sff case

[fleet canopy]

But I want the SFF case

I saw one I thought would be nice but temps are still not really what I'd like

[keen aspen]

is this the heresy i need to purge from my holy laptop

or should i go into experience and do reinstall

nvm it said driver download failed

[bright shard]

Use experience tbh

[fleet canopy]

lol driver download failed

[bright shard]

Useless GeForce experience

[fleet canopy]

manual

[keen aspen]

wym D:

[fleet canopy]

idk how it'll be for laptops, but it shouldn't be different to desktop

Sure

The system requirements

Okay

I need a 3090 Ti and a 12900K to use Geforce Experience

[bright shard]

It doesn't want to do anything cause it cant see the gpu

[keen aspen]

does this thing not count as an nvidia driver smsmhmshhmmhshmshmmh

ok so gpu is disconnected again

just after a few minutes after i restart it just stops working

restart is the only thing that fixes it so far and only temporarily

[bright shard]

Wonder if it shits the bed like that on a live linux install.

Outside the scope of our troubleshooting

But if it did on linux, the gpu is dying.

Or the connection is bad

[keen aspen]

let me see if only gmod breaks the gpu

or if it's really a timed thing

gpu is being detected and experience is acknowledging it so im just gonna play some DRG to see if it will break during a non-source game

so far it hasn't broken

[keen aspen]

ok i did a full game of drg and no issues

pretty sure it's only gmod/tf2 that breaks it

[placid sentinel]

if the gpu works for some time before going black.. my #1 sus is always powersupply.. if psu overheats/overloads and turns a bus off to self protect, buh bye gpu..

doesnt explain if drg all maxed works for hours tho

[keen aspen]

It does

Can play all my games with my friends for hours

Just it seems like source games make my gpu break

Tf2 makes a black screen when I try to tab in, and gmod makes whatever is on my screen (ex: steam menu) really zoomed in

When this happens my laptop stops detecting it’s gpu then restarting fixed it for another 10-20 minutes then it happens again if I’m playing a source game

[placid sentinel]

tried fullscreen window / borderless instead of exclu fullscreen?

[keen aspen]

yeah

no difference

so right now my computer doesn't detect my graphics card at all it's only he integrated graphics instead of my gpu and im trying to play with just that and it's been working fine for 88 minutes

so apparently source games just hate my gpu, or im also thinking it could be multiplayer thats causing it, i can't test doing multiplayer on the integrated graphics rn bc i have no friends willing to play gmod right now

[placid sentinel]

weird, source ko gpu. at a loss, could be anything from memory management to a hw fault, a chip just doesnt tolerate some driver api call / procedure and only certain games do that... if possible u could try dx9 instead of 11 (if source lets u) .. once farcry3 on a laptop bugged and froze severely after 20-30 but ran for literally days with dx9 chosen..

(nvidia 1050m iirc)

[vast harness]

have you thought about DDU-ing the drivers?

although not ideal, it is a funny way to solve a lot of problems

[mossy elk]

@keen aspen Might have a solution for you. give me about 10 mins

[keen aspen]

Cool, right now it is working fine but I’m using the integrated graphics so I’m fairly certain it’s my source games don’t like my gpu hypothesis

[mossy elk]

define source games?

I had that issue when I was giving my rig too much voltage with GPU tweak. My gpu driver somehow became corrupted and i couldnt uninstall or download a new driver. It's up to you if you want GE force experience... I personally use it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8OLhUAPDq0

Your issue might be multi-layered. What cpu are you running?

hang tight i have another option so dont try Jay's solution yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVGbtZ8NXv0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOl6iMtm_sk

[fleet canopy]

Damn they got that intel to nvidia gpu guide before the new intel gpu even comes to public to buy

Dude really knows what's up with the new intel gpu

[mossy elk]

original video is originally from 2020 lol i guess dude wants those youtube clicks. pretty useful vid though lol

@keen aspen I would also remove your shader cache. I would do it before you try any of these steps. https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-delete-directx-shader-cache-in-windows

make sure your computer's power settings are on high performance. If it's on power saving mode it's going to make your gpu crap out because it'll be under voltaged. I remember someone saying earlier it could be a power issue. https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-delete-directx-shader-cache-in-windows

hope all this helps. i went through something similar last year.

[fleet canopy]

Same link be like

[mossy elk]

eh

[vast harness]

unironically using power saving mode here

[mossy elk]

Lol

[short ravine]

Has anyone played folklore hunter?

[abstract kite]

Hi, I've had a problem with graphical flickering since I got GTFO. This video shows what it looks like. The flickers happen frequently while moving and looking around the environment, as well as when lights flash on or off. I've messed with a number of settings as well as updated my GPU drivers. I've also included my system configuration, if that would help decipher the issue. Thanks!

[dry hollow]

Have you tried ddu and reinstalling the drivers?

[viral geode]

More of just a general question out of morbid curiosity, what is DLSS's issue with chain link fence? Every game I play that has it has some odd artifacting when it comes to em

[fleet canopy]

DLSS is basically taking a smaller resolution and then artificially making it a higher resolution thing

So the resolution with light and chainlink fences look dogshit cause it's showing the real resolution as the light makes it obvious, especially when the shadow is pretty big

There's also another thing (I think this is due to devs not implementing it good), but in Ready or Not, using DLSS makes the sight reticle on holographic sights and dot sights to have crazy huge motion blur

DLSS is a cool idea but overall it lacks in certain aspects of it, and I don't know how well FSR does, as I haven't used it before, but I hope that's something that won't be a thing with software like DLSS and FSR (if it has that) someday

Anything like Balanced and Performance mode DLSS will make it more obvious depending on what setting of DLSS performance it's at, not through chainlink fences but pretty much anything

Probably could use quality DLSS setting, but idk how that'd be compared to using the native resolution

[vast harness]

pretty sure devs can tune which objects and effects get a pass of FSR 2.x/DLSS individually

but most probably just do a full pass and call it a day lol

anything other than the quality modes on both will look like ass anyways

[bright shard]

fsr3 is looking pretty slick though

[vast harness]

[merry bay]

Anyone remember DSR? The thing that made you render everything at a higher resolution then scale it down to your screen size, basically being the most expensive AA imaginable, but best looking too.
Not too long ago NVIDIA allowed RTX cards to do almost the same thing and also lighten that load via tensor cores with slight touch ups as well. It's called DLDSR (Deep Learning Dynamic Super Sampling)
Fences, foliage, strings, electrical lines etc. all look almost perfect, the performance hit is still there, but varies greatly from game to game. If you are significantly CPU bound in a game, then the perf impact can be very manageable and the setting is worth considering. Otherwise you'd almost half your FPS for any meaningful change.

Seen people combine both DLSS with DLDSR for very interesting results. Basically a better looking DLSS but with a slight* performance hit. Extremely dependent on other settings, your hardware and the game choice, ideal conditions being pretty heavily CPU bound without DLDSR and enabling it to balance the system load... kind of

[vast harness]

tfw dldsr and other shit doesn't work on mobile gpus

in all honesty, TAA and SMAA are probably just as good when they are well tuned to work with the game they are integrated into

[austere cradle]

hey. I'm looking into building my own PC, and I was wondering if I could get some good references. I need a good place to start, so I felt like asking you guys for help

I heard it's cheaper to have a custom PC as you can replace parts that get too old rather than the whole computer

[broken mason]

That’s how it used to be. Honestly, it’s probably better to go pre-built from the right company because you can get pcs with high end GPUs for cheaper.

For one reason or another, you can get prebuilts with 30 series GPUs for much cheaper than building one and putting a 30 series GPU in it.

[fleet canopy]

I think now you can go custom and it'll be cheaper than a prebuilt but there can be some that's at a good price

[austere cradle]

I mean, I can always take a prebuilt PC and take out parts when they need to be replaced. I could even just do that, right?

I want to learn how computers work so I can fix them myself as well as replace parts

[bright shard]

Depends on where you got the pc heavily. HP/ALIENWARE? prepare to suffer. Boutique? Next best thing to building yourself but expensive.

Microcenter has a building section. Good for beginners.

Iirc its 25 bucks and they'll put it together.

Or watch the LTT or Paul's hardware build guides

If youre unsure what you actually need to collect information wise, pcpartpicker is indispensable.

If you want experienced answers, you can always ask here.

If you want more of a trial run thing, find a beater pc for like 100 bucks, pull it apart, put it back together and install linux distro.

Fwiw, the etherium merge is soon, so gpus will be extremely cheap.

R/buildapcsales often has good technical advice for items on good discount.

If you asked this 6 months ago, the answer was probably get pre-built, but the market for pc parts is regaining sanity

Im always in the camp of, if the only thing holding you back from building a pc is anxiety, you should build it yourself. I sleep. @austere cradle

Name brand prebuilts often have proprietary nonsense parts, proprietary connectors, no back panel, generally horrid airflow, no fan filters, weird rma processes. Want a good gpu? Its a rtx 3040. Sounds good? Its not.

[quiet talon]

Yo my pc has been having CPU and motherboard issues and I'm wondering what a good motherboard and CPU combo is? Thank you.

[still holly]

[austere cradle]

I was actually wondering how to get good air flow. That’s the main reason I was make my own PC. Even though I wouldn’t have the best GPU, my cooling system is so good that it’d allow me to run higher-end games like this one. My laptop can run it, but I had to lower the resolution down to 720p.

[bright shard]

for airflow, you start with the case and go from there.

anything with glass panel covering front fans is out. right out.

second, does the case have fan filters.

third, case reviews.

if the fans have filters, but are still a pain in the ass to clean, the case probably isnt as good as it seems.

it does not matter how many fans the case has, as long as the case is blocking airflow either in front of the fans or behind them, can really fuck up your airflow

worry about the quality of the front intake fans, because those are the ones you will hear the loudest.

worst case, your pc will be louder at full load. realistically, doesnt matter if you're playing games.

@austere cradle

[austere cradle]

good to know. I'm assuming there's a meta for this sort of stuff?

I mean, I can also use water as an additional form of coolant

water with fans makes for a great combo, plus I could install tubes to direct the flow of heat

Take what I said with a grain of salt as I don't know if that's actually how it works

[bright shard]

fwiw, custom watercooling isnt great. it solves a problem that most builds dont have.
AIOs, if your case can fit them, are a good medium, but you still need good airflow for the component that creates the most heat in the case, the GPU.

[austere cradle]

I was thinking of getting an ITX, as they are compact and powerful (from what I've heard). It'd be cool to take my computer anywhere I go despite it not being a laptop.

To me, it's like having an Xbox Series S over an Xbox Series X

[bright shard]

if you're looking for something portable, you're better off with a laptop.

getting a good ITX build is excruciating and not for beginners

you compromise on features, storage space, cooling, performance, size limitations, limited PCIE slots. basically everything.

@austere cradle

and even if you get around with that, you still need to lug a monitor, mouse, and keyboard without breaking them.

i personally would wait for the next gen laptops that come around because PCIE passthrough will be a mandated feature for windows certified laptops. you need either thunderbolt 4 or USB4. with that, you can just lug a GPU in a box around with you.

i really dont understand doing portable high spec gaming any other way.

makes sense if you move frequently, for the ITX build, but it likely means there is a good chance you'll be limited to 2 fan GPUs, which hurts your ability to get triple fan cards at sometimes better prices.

and you will need to use a AIO, because a beefy air cooler is 1. too heavy to move around, 2. sensitive to breaking while relocating. which runs counter to the portability thing.

[fleet canopy]

Not only that, air coolers may be too small and it may use the warm air instead of cool air to cool the CPU if you're not doing an AIO

[abstract kite]

thats bullshit

[fleet canopy]

Not really

Maybe storage spaces sure, limited to about a couple

But cooling can be absolutely a joke

Size limitations indeed, though depending on a case, it could fit most graphics cards

With size limitation comes performance loss

Not a lot of room for many coolers, only get to have single or double fan AIOs most of the time

[bright shard]

Main problem is the smaller you get, the more it costs for equivalent performance. Also they're harder to maintain. Can you manage a no compromise itx build? Yeah. But why? Just to save 30lbs? You need the room space?

At that point just double down for the smallest you can manage.

Unless your life is hitting lan parties constantly, the benefit is moot.

[subtle flare]

Should I wait for the RTX 4000 series or should I buy a 3000 series?

I'm planning on getting an AMD Zen 4 chip at the end of this month and rumors are that the 4000 series will come out probably around October

So I'm not sure if I should hold off my build until then or stick with a 3000 series card at the end of this month

[narrow fractal]

4000 series are going to have high prices when its released

[bright shard]

Im waiting to see if i can get a 3080 or 3090 or 6900xt for 300-400 usd. If i cant im getting a new amd gpu when it comes out.
Im also waiting for zen 4.

I currently have ram, a case, an 2tb ssd, and a fan.

[subtle flare]

That’s not a big deal, I can afford

I just have to wait for the Zen 4 motherboards to release along with the the actual chipsets and I already planned what to get for that

Just was debating about the graphics card

[merry bay]

Nvidia has some info lined up for next week at GTC, most likely just a 4090 announcement because of the spike of 4090 leaks

if you plan on going for a 4090/4080 I'd give some thought about your PSU to have headroom in-case of transient spikes, consider the possibility of your PC being on the edge of tripping breakers, especially if there's more devices in the room.
If you do longer sessions occasionally then heat buildup ramping up can become another issue.

Not trying to dissuade if cost isn't an issue, just bringing up aspects for potential better preparation.

[subtle flare]

Heat is understandable, PSU won’t be an issue

[subtle flare]

I don’t even have ram yet lol, I still have to research which DDR5 memory to get

At least I have most things on paper

I can’t even get a cooler yet either for Zen 4, though MSI claims to already modify one of their coolers to v2 to already fit

[bright shard]

im waiting to see if i can get a dh-15 on discount.
sweet spot for ryzen 7000 seems to me 6000mhz.
i got it on an amazing bundle with the SSD.

case was p600s on 10 bucks off rebate, so i nabbed it. even though it wasnt particularly a good price. it was a case i wanted.

basically either wait for the new A-dies ddr5 when am4 comes out fully, or dont buy anything with a base mhz clock below 5600mhz 36 cas.

personally i wonder whats going to happen to performance if you can do 8000mhz 40 cas, with how the whole infinitycache clock works.

@subtle flare

[subtle flare]

I’m essentially waiting for the new DDR5 to be released along side new coolers, motherboards, and chipset itself

I guess I could get an SSD now

Since that won’t change much

[bright shard]

weeeeellll, pcie 5 m.2 slots are expected to be on x670 and x670e boards.

but they're gonna be expensive AF.

but you have multiple slots to fill, so. grab whatever is cheap and good imo.

[subtle flare]

Well I had a couple picked out, but I could also always wait to see specs + price point of PCIE 5 ones

[bright shard]

proof of stake has hit. now to see if GPUs crash.

[marble sapphire]

3090 ti price getting down?

[vast harness]

everything tech is relatively low

not many people are buyin right now

[meager pelican]

Samsung 980 Pro 1TB price is dropped again since the 990 pro is about to be released. They have reduced 20% of DDR4 production in Q3'22

[subtle flare]

Need DDR5 for new AMD Zen 4

Gonna try MSI SSDs instead of Samsung this time as well

Though I loved my Samsung 970 Evo

[quiet talon]

Yo what's a good prebuilt pc under 3000$? Thank you.

[abstract kite]

Build your own PC

[deep dirge]

I don't think that was their question...

[bright shard]

There is no answer. Other than a laptop.

[glossy sandal]

I have had good experiences with Cyberpower

also Linus Tech Tips is making his own PC building service right

or was he just advertising it

I remember seeing an ad for Redux PC or something like that

[quiet talon]

Thank you wasn't my question but I have built a PC out of parts that were gonna be thrown out but I'm a Neanderthal so it is ugly and has old cpu issues

[quiet talon]

Thank you I'll check em out

[glossy sandal]

I should note that Cyberpower did get one thing wrong with my PC

well, two things

[quiet talon]

Oof

[abstract kite]

it doesnt matter

build ur own pc

[glossy sandal]

I had to switch out the CPU cooler and reverse the fans, but overall it was pretty good

[quiet talon]

Alright

[glossy sandal]

https://www.youtube.com/c/GamersNexus

This YouTube channel is a good resource

they review pre-builts

[abstract kite]

literally bottom of the barrel

[deep dirge]

I mean I know it's just better to do it yourself, I get that.
but that isn't the info they asked for :P

[glossy sandal]

what's better than them - I wouldn't know I haven't bought too many prebuilts

[abstract kite]

buy cyberpower if you enjoy having shit quality chinese parts

[glossy sandal]

they are generally pretty hard on them because, as a general rule you should build your own

[abstract kite]

enjoy your nihao power supply that releases toxic flumes into your home

[quiet talon]

Hmmmmm

[abstract kite]

still doesnt matter

[deep dirge]

Mmmmm toxic fumes

yum

[glossy sandal]

the cyberpower I got has parts that are fine

[abstract kite]

there is no true answer to his question except for build his own pc

[glossy sandal]

bruh

[fleet canopy]

There are a couple of new places to get your prebuilts from, if reputation is a factor

[bright shard]

This, however, man he really has to grit his teeth on most of them.

[quiet talon]

I don't think I'm allowed to do that anymore

[glossy sandal]

fair enough

[fleet canopy]

Though reminds me the sponsored pc builds by youtubers are always like "Me and a team designed these PCs" while every fucking sponsor is the same exact fucking parts for every sponsor

[abstract kite]

gaymers nexus is a news network

they rarely do any builds on camera

they just talk about the latest nonsense

[bright shard]

Its news and reviews of non-trivial parts. Its good content.

[glossy sandal]

regardless, they put out pretty solid reviews on prebuilts

which is why I recommended them for Khaki

don't get me wrong I agree with you that building your own PC is going to be better

[fleet canopy]

They gave walmart a great review

Should buy one from there

[glossy sandal]

but Khaki's specifically asking for prebuilt recommendations

[abstract kite]

lets be real whos gonna buy enthusiast level nonsense like the latest amd radeon 99999 premium oc edition only priced at $4999

[deep dirge]

woah, that's what I'm saying

[quiet talon]

I mean If it would be best to build another PC then I'm down

[abstract kite]

build your own pc

[fleet canopy]

Well if you can, that's not a bad idea to do

[glossy sandal]

yea

[deep dirge]

craaaaazyyyy

[abstract kite]

there is literally no other better option build your own pc dont buy a junkbuilt

[fleet canopy]

At least unlike prebuilts, it's not really restricted

Even those prebuilt pc sites still don't allow full flexibility which is absurd

Plus no specific info on certain things too

[abstract kite]

bro if you buy a prebuilt im gonna snatch that thing mid shipment directly through the airplane teleportation style

[fleet canopy]

I'm buying one rn

[quiet talon]

Alright I'll build a new pc

[fleet canopy]

If you really do want a prebuilt, do check out Gamers Nexus anyway

idk if they did one recently tho

[abstract kite]

dont check out gamers nexus

theyre a bunch of hack journalists

do not waste your time

[fleet canopy]

Seems like they only do like news on just whatever goes on like EVGA leaving NVIDIA

[abstract kite]

dont check out linus fuck tips either, hes a corporate hack now. theres only one person on his team who knows wtf hes doing

[quiet talon]

Rip

[abstract kite]

all he cares about is showing off the latest tech nobody will buy because its not in a consumers market

and spamming his vids with sponsorships

[quiet talon]

Any recommendations on certain parts I will want in my pc?

[abstract kite]

dont buy amd gpus

[fleet canopy]

Well it depends on what resolution and refresh rate of the monitor you want

Most new GPUs can do 1440p 144hz nowadays

[glossy sandal]

depends on the game though right

[abstract kite]

no

[glossy sandal]

and I guess how high you turn up settings

[quiet talon]

What about their CPU's?

[abstract kite]

the ryzen is alright

intel is beating their ass again though

also i dont like amd

so dont get ryzen

even though theyre alright just dont get them

amd sucks

[quiet talon]

Ok

[fleet canopy]

Can't even tell if you're trolling at this point

[abstract kite]

you can look up anything i just said

and it will be true

[glossy sandal]

what's your take on userbenchmark

[abstract kite]

garbage

[fleet canopy]

Userbenchmark is a shithole of a benchmark site

Use free demo 3d mark

[glossy sandal]

so, my next question is, if someone is new to the PC building scene, where should they go to learn then

[abstract kite]

what

so you was initially asking that under the premise that new users could use that to learn how to build a pc? ridiculous

[glossy sandal]

no

these are two unrelated questions

I just want to hear your takes on a lot of stuff

[abstract kite]

impossible

[quiet talon]

Last question fellas is there any particular sites I should buy parts off of?

[rigid magnet]

use PCPartPicker if you're building, will list the cheapest sites accessible by your region for specific parts.

[bright shard]

my bet goes to youtube tutorials. either the linus tech tips build guide, or the pauls hardware guide whenever he updates it.

also, if first time builder, i reeeeeallllyyy recommend reading the included manuals.

is generally what i tell people.

picking parts on the other hand can be difficult and confusing. pcpp definitely helps keeping them from picking shit thats totally wrong.

and even then we still get pretty lopsided builds often.

any book or tutorial you could really pick up gets outdated in about 2 years.

[hoary cosmos]

anyone got any recommendations for good but cheap wireless keyboard and mouse?

[placid sentinel]

cheap and basic: a logitech combo with a keyboard and an m220 "silent" mouse. is good.

just don't go too cheap with keyboard, get one of those "membrane" keyboards and some key combos just don't register

[subtle flare]

Prebuilt custom PC?

At least no one recommended Alienware

LTT had a couple featured companies that did builds

[fleet canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWcNlRI00jo

[vast harness]

DLSS 3.0, an actual game changer?

God damn!

[merry bay]

DLSS support isn't as common as people would like
DLSS 3 support even less so
the numbers look good for when it's there tho

wonder if it looks better than the previous implementations visually tho

it's a bit unfortunate that all the focus is on the DLSS 3 best scenario performance and not regular performance comparisons. That's the really interesting part tbh that we didn't get to see

not to mention DLSS 3 is 4000series exclusive

[fleet canopy]

DLSS I guess is alright

But not only is it exclusive to only the specific RTX 4000 generation, it's also gotta be well implemented by the devs, so you could take a percentage of the total game with DLSS 3 support off the list

Of course I suppose a standard slapping on DLSS works fine but even then, I don't think it'd be that easy

[bright shard]

meanwhile fsr3 is able to cannibalize dlss implementations, and does not require licensing from nvidia, and is open so modders can backport it into games.

[fleet canopy]

Personally don't like it cause it makes shit look fuzzy as shit when motion is in play, and idk about using quality DLSS but I would suppose it wouldn't exactly boost FPS by much, nor possibly the fuzzy/blurring/ghosting that occurs with using

Yeah I have more faith in FSR

Granted I haven't actually seen what it does in a while, I do need to check on it, but surely has to be better than the problems I face using DLSS if I decided to use it

[bright shard]

fsr2 is already pretty good. fsr3 might be rdna3 exclusive however, dunno.

[fleet canopy]

Would much rather not even bother using DLSS, though I have to use it at certain games since just lowest settings don't exactly meet my standard for framerates

[bright shard]

upscaling from anywhere below 1080p is dogshit tbh.

[fleet canopy]

I just use the balanced setting with a native 1440p resolution

I guess I do something wrong on that part?

[merry bay]

that's a very normal way of using it

[bright shard]

balanced works better if you give it a target framerate.

[fleet canopy]

I guess so

I've only seen the problems occur on Ready or Not

I guess limiting my FPS might help, I dunno

[bright shard]

not a limit, a dlss target framerate

scales the resolution based on distance from target framerate

or whatever your vsync is set to.

what in the fuck are those prices

[merry bay]

it's 2-4x performance! tell me that's not a good value!!

[jade ermine]

[bright shard]

well, clearly, since its 80x the performance of a gt8800, the rtx 4090 should be $6900 usd

[fleet canopy]

Yes

I would gladly pay 6900$

[merry bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hu006p23I

why would you ever upgrade a GPU ever again, this will set you up for yeaaaaars

[fleet canopy]

Locked to only RTX 4000

Might as well sink all my life savings

[jade ermine]

worth 2200 euros and the upcoming record high electricity costs

[fleet canopy]

The PC might only be about 3000$, but the electricity bill is ungodly

But free heating as well!

[bright shard]

good guy nvidia knows its going to be a cold winter

[fleet canopy]

yeah

[jade ermine]

FE 4090 is no joke 2000 euros on Nvidias site. They will be snatched by bots and AIB models few hundred more

[fleet canopy]

Dunno

Well I suppose you're not wrong

But I do hope that's not the case

[jade ermine]

i miss when cards with 102 dies were like 599

[bright shard]

i hear they're creating a direct competitor to AMDs socks line, so you can have your own Nvidia Green thighhighs for $90

[fleet canopy]

I miss when I could afford something

[jade ermine]

[fleet canopy]

It'll be either green/black stripes or red/black stripes

Dunno about blue/white though

"Beyond fast. Beyond your wallet"

[merry bay]

i'm still not convinced 4080's will just work with 750W PSU's without a sizeable chunk having serious hiccups

even though that's what NVIDIA recommends

[fleet canopy]

Their cooling idk what changed

Absolutely nothing frankly

ROG did have a little stream or something afterwards

Beefy as fuck card, showed some new way to improve cooling their GPU though

But frankly idk about their power

Probably just too stupid to bother

[merry bay]

either the performance gains aren't impressive without DLSS or the power requirements are downplayed. hard to believe both being true

might be an interesting generation for overclockers who might be into custom cooling, likely nvidia has to leave some performance headroom that they're unable to cool/fit in most people's power budgets

[fleet canopy]

They did say they got 3GHz in lab with the 4090

[subtle flare]

Time to sink half my budget into a 4090 🫡

[merry bay]

https://vxtwitter.com/DonHaci/status/1572244104750170112

[fleet canopy]

Oh I'm sure you could find a cheaper shoe

[vast harness]

do wonder if anything official about that had been down

I have only been able to find speculation, which on its own is useless

[bright shard]

im extrapolating off what we already have with fsr2
https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-2077s-clever-amd-fsr-20-mod-can-double-performance-but-is-definitely-a-work-in-progress/

there has been a history of modders scraping dlss code to shove in fsr2.

however, Nvidia is making their own tool that would allow modders to convert old games to have DLSS and raytracing.

who wins here? i dont know.

[tough holly]

What would you guys suggest for cable management?

University set up straight fire rn

[bright shard]

Double sided velcro, velcro ties.

Keep adhesive off hot things

[subtle flare]

Yea especially when the 4080 12 gb has less cuda cores than a 3090

Like, what?

But I’m gonna try to land my hands on a 4090 when it comes out

[merry bay]

they're a different architecture, can't compare them 1to1

[subtle flare]

True, but it’s hard to believe that it could have a higher clock speed regardless

Paired with that price tag

[merry bay]

it shouldn't be hard to believe
e. x. 1080ti clock speed is way slower than a 3050 but performance difference is a lot better on the 1080ti

they're a different tier so it's less tempting to compare

[subtle flare]

In either case you’re still gonna pump and sink your money into the new cards, which is a bummer

They didn’t even think once to lower prices and instead announce they just gonna keep jacking it up

Nice

[merry bay]

3000series pricing really made me realize how happy I am on 1000series

6800 starting to look really good

[subtle flare]

10xx is reliable

That was really the golden age of GPU pricing too

Well, we only hope to see AMD’s new GPU in November

And probably outbeat nvidia in prices

Price is a huge benefactor

For a lot, a lot of people

If AMD produces a card that has decent performance that’s bang for your buck, more people will lean towards that or buy a 30xx series that has dropped in price

But with nvidia’s announcement of milking the market, I doubt prices for 30xx series will go lower than now, especially when they’ve alr dropped

[fleet canopy]

I think the only really thing to consider is that the heating could be a problem

They probably may have fixed it but it's now a gigantic heavy ass block that requires a support

[merry bay]

i mean, we haven't seen proper performance yet, it might be a flop generation with barely any uplift besides DLSS 3

[fleet canopy]

Heard AMD's GPU got to like 4GHz

And yeah, Hapcher is right

Plus DLSS isn't really that great imo

[subtle flare]

A higher power draw = more heat, thermodynamics

You’ll need a PSU that has 1000+ watt support

[fleet canopy]

Isn't that what they did since RTX 2000

[merry bay]

but nvidia said all you need is 700-750W for a 4080
nothing to worry about at all guys

[subtle flare]

I sold my PSU when I sold my mining rig

Could’ve probably reused that PSU

700-750w 💀

Is that under load?

Not to mention, overclocking

[merry bay]

as if people would question that far, nvidia said it's fine guys

[fleet canopy]

NVIDIA sure is true to their words

[subtle flare]

It’s fine 💀 ah yes

[fleet canopy]

Time to buy a 650W since that's probably going to work for the 4080

[merry bay]

yeah close enough yeep

[fleet canopy]

I do hope to see AMD have actually good temperatures with nice power draw

[merry bay]

honestly i already saw someone say "my 700W is probably enough for a 4080"

[fleet canopy]

I heard that they got to 4GHz on one of their GPUs as well

[merry bay]

they sounded very relieved

[subtle flare]

On a 700W PSU?

[fleet canopy]

Honestly

[merry bay]

but probably short lived relief

[fleet canopy]

Since RTX 3000, I'm pretty sure 850w is a fair minimum

For xx80 and above*

[subtle flare]

Thick chunky boy

That’s gonna be my graphics card’s name

[fleet canopy]

You thought AMD had a card deserving of the THICC title?

Think again!

[subtle flare]

Nvidia

[fleet canopy]

12 slot 400mm length card

Works fine

[subtle flare]

Sigh

[fleet canopy]

I'm not so sure but I saw a video clip where a dude had a card on the motherboard, and was holding up the motherboard only, and the card just decided to not stay on anymore

[subtle flare]

Pain

[fleet canopy]

It's absurdly heavy for no reason

NVIDIA really isn't going to sell any of their RTX 4000 to literally anyone that has at least 2 brain cells

[subtle flare]

Probably gonna be sold out and out of stock the moment it releases

Also, since they’re milking the market, I’d assume they’d be happy to sell their 40xx series cards to people will less than 2 brain cells

More money for them

[fleet canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGARjRBJRX8

Here's some dumb shit partners have tried to come up with

[subtle flare]

What the hell is that

[fleet canopy]

One of the partner's shroud looks really cool though

It's like this mineral texture and reflective shroud

Would honestly love that

[subtle flare]

I like the color

[fleet canopy]

Here's what it looks like

Perhaps

[merry bay]

unless Nvidia trickles supply slowly, doesn't seem too likely to sell out fast

[fleet canopy]

Probably a fair good amount of twitch/youtube streamers

The fact that paying 900$ for what is ultimately a 4070 in disguise of 4080 is a bullshit reason

[subtle flare]

Lol nvidia messed up their 4080

Cause all of us asked where is the 4070

[fleet canopy]

RTX 4050 when

performance of 3060

[merry bay]

the screwed up part isn't that there's more product segments, but that it shares the name with significant differences

[fleet canopy]

For much more money

[fleet canopy]

Yeah, or they could have at least priced that specific 4080 much less

[subtle flare]

Hardlocked software 😩