but for the rundown before this it was also tied to being able to even do the last level
#gtfo-related-questions
tardy ingot
fleet vessel
if we get an R6E I hope it'll need a PE tbh
stoic breach
Just cause you said that Imma make them only do high-only levels.
craggy pier
ik E is harder than D but is it longer too?
ruby wasp
it's longer in general
except if you include speedrunning strats
R5E1 was extremely short with cell skip
rigid sinew
but for the rundown before this it was also tied to being able to even do the la...
doing R5A2 PE lol
ruby wasp
R4E1 was done under 1h iirc
rigid sinew
what is a cell skip?
ruby wasp
On R5E1 you had to
- Trigger an error alarm
- Do a class 3 alarm
- Get a cell in there
- Go back to a zone near spawn
- Place the cell
- Do another class 3 alarm
- Disable the error alarm
- Move on through several zones
-Trigger another error alarm
-Find a key within a zone
-Use the key to access a new zone & do a class 4 alarm
-Disable the error alarm
-Do a class 5 alarm
-Find another key
-Trigger the last error alarm with a blood door
-Get the 2nd cell
-Place the cell in a generator to start another class 5 alarm (which somehow was also an error alarm but it basically changed the content of the waves iirc)
-Clear a class 4 surge alarm
-Disable the last error alarm
-Input the KDS DEEP command
-Extract
Cell skip = remove everything written in bold above
In other words, you pick the first cell to place it in the 2nd generator
all of this with the first error alarm on your back
ruby wasp
does fog repeller power increase the radius?
that's the whole point of it lol
ruby wasp
On R5E1 you had to
- Trigger an error alarm
- Do a class 3 alarm
- Get a cell i...
@rigid sinew
distant ice
that's the whole point of it lol
doesn't it increase duration too
craggy pier
someone test it 
craggy pier
ah yes
I was talking about the fog repeller stuff
I've had boosters in r6 that boost "fog repeller power"
also you can play r5 with [redacted]
how many meters before shotgun damage starts falling off
latent obsidian
spreadsheet says 4
craggy pier
that's plenty
latent obsidian
4 metres is the earliest starting point for falloff
craggy pier
what about choke shotgun?
craggy pier
damn
craggy pier
yeah but you can still "snipe" scouts with it
is the combat shotty any good
omg blank my beloved is typing
unkempt ridge
omg blank my beloved is typing
latent obsidian
I seemed to like using the combat shotgun at the time in R2...
craggy pier
I will def be using it if it's in next rundown
minor fractal
is the combat shotty any good
It was very powerful R1 through R3, albeit high skill. It got nerfed pretty hard for R4, and then buffed for R5 but was better for spreading out damage across multiple enemies than for killing one at a time like the old version of it.
latent obsidian
It was a bit of an "oh so you're approaching me?" weapon 😂 Just wait for guys to stand by you and start their attack before blowing their heads off
minor fractal
The most recent version is definitely weaker than the R1-R3 version, but it's still quite effective (and the OHKO is a lot more consistent than R4).
You just have to use it differently.
craggy pier
whats the spread like
minor fractal
It's more of a space-maker now, when it used to be more of a short range revolver.
neon gust
wide
minor fractal
It was a bit of an "oh so you're approaching me?" weapon 😂 Just wait for guys t...
I can't lick you without getting closer...
neon gust
r3 was definetly the most broken version of the ccombat shotgun
its quite spameable since its fully auto
minor fractal
Minor damage buff and a larger mag size made it even better at everything than it already was.
It was always hard to use back then, though, tbf.
craggy pier
Why hard to use
minor fractal
I haven't really appreciated it until R5.
neon gust
During r4 it wasnt quite bad, tbh, it was always a 2 shot if you use it withing range
minor fractal
Why hard to use
You need to be very accurate, and you need to let enemies get very close to you.
Strikers especially, you need to understand their attack animations.
neon gust
Why hard to use
He's trying to pull oneshots
wich is quite difficult under preassure
also the headbug thing
game only registering the damage that can break a limb or something
minor fractal
The head destruction fix was a massive indirect nerf to shotguns, because it meant pellets that registered after destroyed a limb were now blowing through rather than all dealing damage to the limb before considering it to have been destroyed.
minor fractal
This was what made CS strong in R1-R3.
minor fractal
they fixed it ?
Yes, in R4.
unkempt ridge
that is poggers
weary mesa
it made all guns disgusting
neon gust
Smg was wild
minor fractal
Automatic weapons were king in R1-R3.
weary mesa
Surprised they didn't add it back to make the game more casual
neon gust
:^]
weary mesa
The fixed bug in now a bug and has to be fixed again
minor fractal
Tbh, I wouldn't be against buffing automatic weapons to make them burstier, semi-autos are just stronger rn if you can use them.
For main weapons, specifically.
neon gust
I mean automatic guns are just spam of bullets ,since forever to be honest, they were good with invisi heads but i barely notice the difference after the fix
As long as you have a hold m1 to win mentality you should be good with the auto's
i find it funny how ar does 2.1823823827 instead of just 2.2
they really dont wanna give the man a slight amount of damage to round that up
minor fractal
They're not bad per-say, but they have worse TTK and kills per magazine than semi-autos from my understanding.
weary mesa
AR?
minor fractal
It's hard to precisely value them, though.
neon gust
TTK its not really that important, if you have the other 3 teammates it really doesnt matter
minor fractal
Ehh, burst damage tends to mean a lot more than sustained damage in GTFO currently.
.
craggy pier
I would like to see global weapon nerfs
Why
neon gust
Ehh, burst damage tends to mean a lot more than sustained damage in GTFO current...
I do agree, but if all 4 are shooting it really doesnt make a difference when holding a place
minor fractal
Pump shotgun was strong as shit in R2 for this reason, it had 9 shots and a crazy reliable RoF.
viscid wolf
Why
because the weapons compared to previous rundowns have been the strongest they've ever been
distant ice
The head destruction fix was a massive indirect nerf to shotguns, because it mea...
new introduced bug*
neon gust
i forgot that fucking pump had 9 bullets in r2
craggy pier
because the weapons compared to previous rundowns have been the strongest they'v...
Why is that bad
neon gust
sleeper deletus
viscid wolf
nah just personal opinion
minor fractal
9 on-demand kills in ~5 seconds.
craggy pier
I see
neon gust
because the weapons compared to previous rundowns have been the strongest they'v...
yeah we kinda powercreep now
minor fractal
Literally let you solo waves, it was crazy.
viscid wolf
I want it to be a bit more harder
distant ice
9 on-demand kills in ~5 seconds.
R3 CS let you kill more than that btw
neon gust
I liked it more when dmr was not as broken
viscid wolf
the guns are a bit too strong nowadays imo
minor fractal
R3 CS let you kill more than that btw
Yeah, it's just that CS has shorter range and harder to use.
neon gust
the guns are a bit too strong nowadays imo
your not wrong
minor fractal
My duo partner back in the day was really good at CS, but I couldn't really handle the weapon at the time.
viscid wolf
why did they have to add the new recoil animations 😔
minor fractal
Still, meant that we could carry almost anything w/ a pump + CS pairing.
mossy aurora
Sniper is nuts now
minor fractal
^
neon gust
the fact that i can one burst people with burst rifle its kinda nuts
minor fractal
The fact that it got an ammo buff in R6 blows my mind.
neon gust
without boosters
neon gust
The fact that it got an ammo buff in R6 blows my mind.
squidward
minor fractal
It was already extremely usable in R4Ext and beyond.
weary mesa
one level
neon gust
thats legit the only reason they buffed it so much
weary mesa
That dumb reason to buff a weapon
neon gust
so people wont complain about using ammopacks during the end
weary mesa
It's has 40 ammo packs
neon gust
dont look at me, blame them
minor fractal
Can literally solo DPS the boss, but sure lmfao.
weary mesa
3/15
viscid wolf
yeah I was a little suprised
neon gust
||maybe its too much||
distant ice
the fact that i can one burst people with burst rifle its kinda nuts
can you
viscid wolf
seeing how it was the dominant weapon in R5
weary mesa
I planted the 18 seed
minor fractal
the fact that i can one burst people with burst rifle its kinda nuts
It's a two burst, but it's comparable to DMR in terms of how low enemies are iirc.
neon gust
can you
yes you can, easier when client since stagger gets mess up and you can reliably pull those off
minor fractal
Actually, I don't think it is, I'm pretty sure you need at least 5 hits.
viscid wolf
brrrrt
minor fractal
yes you can, easier when client since stagger gets mess up and you can reliably ...
Might be that head destruction is kinda buggy on client.
Similar issue w/ scattergun on bosses, I think.
Doesn't even need it, still slaps on host, but it's just fucking stupid on client.
mossy aurora
I thought that destruction issue only happened with pellet weapons
neon gust
scattergun kinda does the full damage to the blobs as client for some reason
host gets reduce damage or something iive heard
i dont use scatter, so i cannot really give and inform opinion about it
mossy aurora
Sniper won't over damage a tank tumor like scatter as client afaik
neon gust
||scatter bad||
distant ice
yes you can, easier when client since stagger gets mess up and you can reliably ...
client-exclusive apparently
weird i thought it couldn't do that
finite plinth
scatter bad
weary mesa
sniper bad
ruby wasp
gtfo bad
minor fractal
host gets reduce damage or something iive heard
What's supposed to happen on pellet weapons is post-limb-destruction the rest of the pallets are supposed to blow through, but on client it seems all of the pellets can hit and over-damage a single tumor.
finite plinth
🤝 scatter bad
neon gust
client-exclusive apparently
you can do it as host too i believe
distant ice
nope
neon gust
havent play gtfo in 2 weeks
distant ice
not according to numbers
minor fractal
There's a similar, but possibly separate issue on client using shotgun as a baby killer.
The blowthrough helps pump annihilate babies, but it doesn't really work on client, at least not consistently.
neon gust
What's supposed to happen on pellet weapons is post-limb-destruction the rest of...
Desync bois
minor fractal
You have to angle yourself above them if you actually want a good spread sometimes.
viscid wolf
that is a pretty funny quote out of context
distant ice
weird i thought it couldn't do that
originally it couldn't do that
neon gust
You have to angle yourself above them if you actually want a good spread sometim...
Rayalot!!!!!!
distant ice
its damage was buffed
distant ice
but still only possible on client
distant ice
devs stalking noticing they forgot to nerf the multiplier to 0.7-0.8 like all weapons
neon gust
wish smg had a 1x multi
minor fractal
Legit, nerfing a weapon's precision is number 1 pre-requisite for buffing its damage.
It's actually the main reason burst weapons have fallen off a lot since R4.
viscid wolf
precision as in bloom or pm
minor fractal
They can't have the same damage as before because they still have full precision.
craggy pier
What happens if u fall off map in d1 last area
viscid wolf
and even if you do find somewhere to fall off it tps you back to the place where you fell off
viscid wolf
would be funny ¯_(ツ)_/¯
craggy pier
Ngl it would be
mystic loom
and even if you do find somewhere to fall off it tps you back to the place where...
i had a friend stuck at there and he cant coming back
viscid wolf
skill issue
mystic loom
he ask us '' are you guys teleported already?''
and we said ''yep''
and we open the map and thinking where is he
shrewd dirge
Falls off map and dies
This can happen if you fall through to another area. Dont ask me how i know.
topaz anvil
he ask us '' are you guys teleported already?''
Happened to me as well
shrewd dirge
I got left behind in the boss room. I was so confused
indigo moat
Question: Do they ever plan on making like a Floodlight item, that can be placed down like on a tripod to illuminate a large area? Like it would be in the tool slot like a bioscanner?
distant ice
They don't speak about their plans
distant ice
Cuz this is 99% a stealth game and not a combat game
fleet vessel
^^
bronze yacht
Does anyone know what the pulse mechanic does besides movement speed and melee charge speed after 140bpm because I don't see anything on the GTFO wiki on what I does to your health or anything else?
uneven gulchBOT
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shrewd dirge
triggering everything 3s after placing it ?
probably to be a permanent light fixture after either the lights go out, or that one dark ass hallway in the room you
re doing alarms in
ruby wasp
why would you waste a biotracker over that anyway
shrewd dirge
realistically, i agree with the idea, not with it being a tool slot item.
most people think it would be better to just be tacked on to the LRF.
ruby wasp
In that case i'd agree
desert falcon
Does anyone know what the pulse mechanic does besides movement speed and melee c...
don't think there are any other effects besides those 2
edit: nvm melee shove speed is also slowed
bronze yacht
But why does the health bar turn yellow when your character pulse hits 200bpm though, one would think it might effect health damage received or infection rate at that point or is it just a visual indication that your character is out of stamina. If so then why have multiple indications for just one effect?
desert falcon
just to indicate its something bad I guess
floral acorn
stops regen if youre low, slows down melee charge iirc, your sprint is like fast walk.. khepri did a great guide on stamina, recommends
bronze yacht
@floral acorn oh ok thanks good to know.
rigid sinew
Does anyone know what the pulse mechanic does besides movement speed and melee c...
more or less this
#gtfo-chat message
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EurO55EoLfo
viscid wolf
!clothing
!skin
!naked people
that last one feels a bit different I have to say
topaz anvil
that last one feels a bit different I have to say
Must be your imagination
austere fractal
what's the general discourse on burst vs auto sentry
rigid sinew
both are good
burst tend to have an easier applicability
but their purposes are completely different
austere fractal
elaborate?
rigid sinew
in which part
tacit zealot
burst to kill
auto to stagger and help with holding
burst has better stats
but it wont really change much as resources are generous in r6
austere fractal
is not killing vastly superior than staggering
mossy aurora
is not killing vastly superior than staggering
it generally is, but for something like surge alarms where spawn cap is maxed, it is easier to keep enemies off of you by staggering them than by trying to kill them
rigid sinew
technically no as it just makes it so you have to fight more waves
in general you will likely be spending more ammo and tool with a burst compared to a good auto sentry placement
I just wish it had either better precision or a slight penetration stat
fierce oracle
you're still going to be spending about the same
if you're shooting them while they are staggered by auto, you are still shooting a wave
if you're not shooting them then you are just wasting tool
fleet vessel
even with a surge?
is staggering a surge wave not feasible due to too many enemies?
fierce oracle
if you have multiple auto sentries you could probably stagger most of it
but it is more efficient to foam doors
fleet vessel
in that case, not killing it would result in less waves, but foaming doors is like... 80% better ye
fierce oracle
on a surge stagger vs kill doesn't matter
if it's not hitting you, then it's not hitting you
you just need to live through the surge so you can clear it after
if you are worried about shooting too much on a surge alarm, then you aren't shooting enough
grim path
do I unlock apparel by completing unique/different expeditions? or is it random chance on any complete?
fleet vessel
.t vanity rewards
uneven gulchBOT
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heavy kestrel
btw how does the enemy death sound work? I assumed that when you kill them if theyre glowing red they scream, and if theyre just chilling, they dont make a sound. But even when i kill them when theyre chilling they still scream. Does this have something to do with the melee weapon i use?
fierce oracle
if a glowing enemy has LoS to an enemy that dies then they will wake up
killing an enemy within 3 meters of another will cause them to wake up regardless if they are glowing or not
heavy kestrel
so the lil scream they make when they die doesnt do anything?
fierce oracle
the noise that enemies make when they die doesn't do anything
heavy kestrel
ahhh, alright
and melee weapons, i assume, all work the same in this regard ye?
so no weapon is more likely to aggro others
fierce oracle
In layman's terms yes
Technically enemies waking up has some RNG and knife has a lower chance I believe
I don't know too much about that part so you'd have to ask someone else
heavy kestrel
alright alright, cause we did have an incident in which we aggroed the room, and it was the first time one of us had the hammer. The enemy that aggroed was pretty far so we thought maybe the bonk hammer makes a lot of noise or something.
fierce oracle
Long range aggro is 15 meters for all weapons
fleet vessel
oh, hitting the floor wakes them up too, just figured I should mention that
floor/walls/locks do that
fierce oracle
Range is the same, chances can varry (I think?)
heavy kestrel
oh, hitting the floor wakes them up too, just figured I should mention that
yeah, or missing the hit, those are things you just learn as you play
just wasnt sure about the sounds and weapon types
heavy kestrel
Long range aggro is 15 meters for all weapons
you mean this? "if a glowing enemy has LoS to an enemy that dies then they will wake up"
fierce oracle
Yeah
heavy kestrel
yeah alright
fierce oracle
Typically they are referred to as “long range aggros” and “proximity aggro” for the other one
heavy kestrel
makes sense
fierce oracle
Or close range aggro, or what have you
warm yew
in that case, not killing it would result in less waves, but foaming doors is li...
Using the auto to kill the wave banging on the door is 100% better
fierce oracle
Using the auto to kill the wave banging on the door is 100% better
R1 moment
fleet vessel
kek
warm yew
Totally not the opposite of being efficient at using tools
fleet vessel
nope, not at all
warm yew
Especially when there's a mine on the foamed door
fleet vessel
heavy kestrel
is the mine good enough to kill a wave like that? Where they break a door and all just get oneshot by a mine on the other side?
fierce oracle
Yes
heavy kestrel
ahhh, nice
fleet vessel
yes. Mines can't oneshot:
Any type of giant enemy or elite enemy
Mines have difficulties oneshotting floater waves, but can be placed at the correct "height" - middle height to top - to get floaters too
If you place a mine too high and RNG into only crawling enemies, you'll not kill a single one since the mine won't trigger.
At your feet --> triggers on anything except floaters (usually)
At your body/head --> triggers on walking sleepers
Above your head --> triggers on giants
Hybrids and I believe Shadow Giants can be slightly less tall and sometimes not trigger "high" mines, if they walk through whilst hunched over, but I can only confirm that with Hybrids.
ruby wasp
It happens with big shadows
As one of their postures is hybrid's
the other one is female giant
solid spear
Hybrid's posture is just not fun tbh
heavy kestrel
big shadows, ok, looking forward to future missions💀
solid spear
Did you just do D3
civic mist
heard yesterday that back damage doesnt apply to sentries anymore, is that true?
distant ice
Yes
civic mist
was it just a nerf or was it because back damage was bugged?
latent obsidian
They said it was a bug fix, but it seems like it was a nerf. I don't see why turrets shouldn't get the same modifiers to the back players do
finite plinth
burst sen would probably one burst everything
distant ice
They said it was a bug fix, but it seems like it was a nerf. I don't see why tur...
Because everybody and their mother only pointed sentries at their backs
From a game design pov it makes sense, it's rather a change of that than bug fix or nerf
But they did mark it a bug which was out of nowhere
latent obsidian
Because everybody and their mother only pointed sentries at their backs
Yeah, agreed I suppose. When I say I don't see why, I mean from a consistency perspective, why would bullets from the sentry be different from those we fire? But yeah... opens up more strategic options for sentry placement if you don't need to shoot them from the back
tacit zealot
I think it's better gameplay wise to have sentries from the front, it looks better makes more sense, no point forcing players to place them in weird spots.
Of course, now sentries will be buff to account for the back damage.
distant ice
Watch them remove bullet back damage overall kekw
tacit zealot
only significant change is no more charger scout 🥲
just add aim assist at that point
distant ice
Jokes aside yes that part of logic suffers but it's a fair trade
edgy anchor
hey, been tryna figure out some stuff for scouts.
Any tips/tricks for being able to melee them/getting close?
notably for c1. lol. I have trouble getting close without them starting to send out the tentacles again, and when they do that, I tend to miss with the hammer. (That may just me being bad though)
I know cfoam launcher/grenades work well, but wanna get better without needing those.
also, I think I saw something about being able to crouch right next to a scout, and the tentacles wont hit you?
minor ivy
I think pick a lonely target or one scout far from the group, then use as much cover as you want because those feeler tentacles don't go through walls. After they retract go straight up to it and get the head, so as not to waste time
topaz anvil
Even if tentacles touch you you still have a small window to kill them
So dont rush it
edgy anchor
Ah, thats good to know.
I did read something about sprinting into the tentacles makes them retract faster than walking into them
edgy anchor
good to know
so basicly, wait for the tentacles to start to retract, walk up with them, smash it in the head?
warm yew
Touching their tendrils means you have 1 second to kill it
ruby wasp
You can just sprint to make them stop moving
warm yew
Or else you get an extra wave
edgy anchor
awesome, Thanks for the advice!
spark wolf
kind of true to some degree i guess
edgy anchor
ill give it some practice later today
spark wolf
game bug and tendrils don't always trigger on touch
the more you move the more chance it will actually work
so technically if you don't move as much you may have more time
edgy anchor
is there a cooldown or anything between retracting, and sending them out again?
spark wolf
not rly
edgy anchor
I also remember hearing anything that soft alerts (and sprinting) will cause them to send out tentacles
floral acorn
normal cool is like 9 10 sec but can be triggered instantly by strong light either on her then or having been lit on previous feeling.. and too much movement closeby, constant walking or even a microsecond of sprint
spark wolf
and if you're gonna kill it while tendrils are out make sure you don't wait too long
mossy aurora
so basicly, wait for the tentacles to start to retract, walk up with them, smash...
make sure youre aiming high enough. a lot of people aim too low and end up hitting the chest/shoulder hit box
spark wolf
because for some reason the devs thought it would be fine if the scout bends over when retracting feelers
edgy anchor
make sure youre aiming high enough. a lot of people aim too low and end up hitti...
yea, I think i've done that a few times
spark wolf
makes no sense and seems like just a leftover from the old behaviour
edgy anchor
yea, them bending over has made me miss several times
and hitting them in the shoulder* because I aim slightly too low
shrewd dirge
and hitting them in the shoulder* because I aim slightly too low
you're hesitating way too long. realistically you should be pushing into the scouts space long before it tendrils, and then NOT retreat.
you dont have to worry not about the duck coming out first, because the duck always comes out SECOND now, when he starts the natural retract.
if you wait too long, he'll start to retract and duck.
if you try to melee a scout that is ducked with hammer, it is worth also ducking to give you a better chance of hitting the head, even though, getting into that state for beginners now is nearly impossible, because you have to push mid way through the cycle and gap between tendrils.
hoary wedge
Wheres the best place to practice scout kills?
shrewd dirge
probably one of the missions that has scouts after a checkpoint
mossy aurora
b2 has a scout in the beginning in the left resource room
shrewd dirge
yeah but like, its a single scout.
mossy aurora
its faster than playing through a level to get to the scouts with checkpoints
edgy anchor
if you try to melee a scout that is ducked with hammer, it is worth also ducking...
Good to know. Thanks!
waxen jetty
Wheres the best place to practice scout kills?
d1
sneak past everything in 5-10 min and get to double scout area
safe musk
d3 shadow scouts
You could practice on killing shadow scouts with melee or guns even.
You know what's even better
It improved my aim..
The shadow scout actually worked. I'm able to kill scouts more effectively.
pulsar herald
@finite plinth psst dont say the forbidden word here... 👀
spark wolf
squidward
finite plinth
i didn't?
mossy aurora
sneak past everything in 5-10 min and get to double scout area
you need to do reactor to get to that area
mossy aurora
u mean the dark area before
waxen jetty
ya
mossy aurora
thats way less efficient than just rerunning b2 start
mossy aurora
1 scout you can get to in literally 30 seconds vs 2 scouts where it takes 5-10 min to get to
waxen jetty
dunno about 30 seconds
fierce apex
once we finish all sectors, can we not get anymore apparel?
spark wolf
its easily 30s
you'll barely have to clear anything in the first zone
and the zone with the scout doesn't have much other than the scout
waxen jetty
guess b2 works then
spark wolf
just spam your weapons if you have the 2 giants
fierce apex
how can we get more cosmetics?
mossy aurora
you cannot
waxen jetty
if its 2 giants gonna take a bit tho
fierce apex
oh u werent chatting to me?
waxen jetty
i mean theres usuually other shit there too but yeah
mossy aurora
oh u werent chatting to me?
i was
fierce apex
welp, time to wait til next rundown
mossy aurora
you can replay the more difficult levels this rundown to improve
if you care about that
stoic breach
how can we get more cosmetics?
You just don't have all the cosmetics 😏
JK imagine just having colors only 😔
stoic breach
I just like collecting things
spark wolf
collect some bitches 👍 👍
minor ivy
I mean people like how their characters look
stoic breach
My GF would kill me
weary mesa
They want it to be a complete the rundown then comeback for the next one kind of game
So the pool is bigger than the amount of drops for that reason
spark wolf
things like weapon skins would be better because it would actually make your game look different
stoic breach
GTFO Boxes
spark wolf
for melee he means lol
weary mesa
Different item technically
shrewd dirge
carefully, and saving that one door during the first scan so that extract isnt a nightmare
or by putting a massive gob of c foam on a mini stairway to make extract easier
other than that, there is like a load of checkpoints
finite plinth
abuse enemy collision
rigid sinew
you unidiot
pulsar stirrup
so what do i do
ruby wasp
you play
save as many doors close to the surge alarm as possible
save doors when looking for the cell as well
covert apex
collect some bitches 👍 👍
he's back 
unkempt ridge
bring back weapon skins
where mallet
waxen jetty
real
spark wolf
he's back <:smugAmelia:919797121962627132>
hollow temple
I noticed in LFG some people are adding PE after the level, whats PE?
rigid sinew
only available in C3 and D3 this rundown
hollow temple
any tips for doing those? my buddies are uh... not great
steel valley
or one good sniper
hollow temple
will keep that in mind. thanks. that scattergun is lit
shrewd dirge
good snipers are rare.
hollow temple
hmm.. I should try snipe. only gun I havent played with yet
steel valley
kills any non boss/bc in a single bullet
and kills bosses in a little over an anmopack
just don't miss too much
obsidian depot
can C1 be solo'd?
every level can be solo'ed
just kite 
high skill, high octane gameplay
edgy anchor
so uh. Has anyone ever had just a big black circle just appear on screen and slowly fade away about a minute later?
it was only in game, and was able to screen cap it
edgy anchor
ahh, Glaucoma it is then
mossy aurora
thers also a bug where sometimes a bright floating light will appear and just stay there for a while. not sure if theres anything you can do to help get rid of those
dapper cedar
what do the cordinates on the gtfo waterbottle mean?
59°19'57.6"N 18°05'44.3"E
plz dm if u have an awnser
obsidian depot
yo wtf that's where I live, don't dox me like that
gaunt fulcrum
Is D3 extreme during the reactor or can i complete it after the reactor
mossy aurora
you can complete it after the reactor
stoic breach
You can also do it during.
obsidian depot
but why though
spark wolf
just do it after
15m is so much
if you're scared then have one person go to extract once you've done the team scan on the last zone
shoot everything
unkempt ridge
man I remember when the sniper was the worst weapon
now everyone is praising it
how times have changed
minor fractal
The R1 version was dogshit, tbf.
obsidian depot
I mean shotguns were just too good in R2/R3 for sniper to be relevant without having 1HS
minor fractal
what did it even do in r2
R1: 20 damage
R2: 30 damage
R3: 48 damage
R4Ext: 30 damage + Precision OHKO
R6: 40 damage + Precision OHKO
And this isn't even including the various changes it's received to its ammo count. It's historically had some of the worst damage per ammo use in the game.
unkempt ridge
R6's one seems great
obsidian depot
R6's sniper is literally broken
if not for the fact that scattergun exists
the ammo reserve buff was completely unwarranted
unkempt ridge
if it was broken I think a lot more people would use it
obsidian depot
people can't aim, that's why they just use the scatterguns
sniper was already in a good state in R5, there was no reason to buff it
obsidian depot
yeah that's why they released 1.0 Scattergun and burst sentry LOL
because they were REALLY balanced
and definitely healthy for the state of the game
unkempt ridge
why do you compare a change to a release
obsidian depot
wdym? I was just talking about release patch scattergun and burst sentry?
unkempt ridge
You're comparing a balance change to a new weapon added to the game
of course the new will be less likely to be balanced
that's why they make changes
minor fractal
the devs didn't agree apparently
Doesn't make it a good decision, it was already a very popular pick in R4Ext and R5.
obsidian depot
Lmao I'm not sure what you're smoking but releasing something in a completely broken state, when you have bug testers who are able to test those things for you is not "an industry standard"
minor fractal
Maybe when comparing it to the HEL Rifle, but even then it was very very strong.
obsidian depot
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that a gun that can kill giants from 10m+ and bosses in one mag is blatantly broken
unkempt ridge
Lmao I'm not sure what you're smoking but releasing something in a completely br...
you're just playing stupid, that's completely unrelated to what we were talking about : balance changes
why did you even change the subject
minor fractal
Scattergun was one of those additions that was very much "how the fuck did this make full release?"
obsidian depot
*Maybe* when comparing it to the HEL Rifle, but even then it was very very stron...
even with hel rifle in the rotation, you still had people running sniper, which is literally how competitive it was when it came to killing giants/hybrids
minor fractal
P much, sniper's only weakness was that it had less burst potential than the HEL rifle and was a bit less versatile, but it was still straight up better for hybrids which made it very viable.
obsidian depot
yes and you're saying that the devs don't agree with balance changes like they're an omnipotent being that never makes mistakes so the buff to sniper reserve size is completely justified as a result
unkempt ridge
no I never said I agreed with their balance change lmao
obsidian depot
the sniper only doesn't seem broken because you have scattergun in the rotation
analog oyster
Scattergun was one of those additions that was very much "how the fuck did this ...
scattergun just trivialises the game to a point where giant chargers, giants, boss-type enemies dont mean anything anymore
sniper still involved the team working together to utilise it well
you can literally walk infront of the boss to 3-4hit KO it on your own
obsidian depot
the nerf to scattergun was completely done in the wrong direction
minor fractal
scattergun just trivialises the game to a point where giant chargers, giants, bo...
It's fairly balanced as is, imo. I think people are overestimating how dangerous bosses were to begin with, D2 especially just made people a lot better at fighting birthers.
obsidian depot
they needed to raise boss resistance values to scattergun so you couldn't literally just one mag a mom
minor fractal
Shotgun still chews through them.
analog oyster
It's fairly balanced as is, imo. I think people are overestimating how dangerou...
it is relatively balanced now i agree
but release was way too broken
minor fractal
Oh, absolutely.
obsidian depot
lmao any weapon that can solo boss type enemies in less than 1 second is completely broken
analog oyster
i'd imagine more long range tanky enemies might be added in the future if this is the step they're going anyway
minor fractal
196 damage was fucking absurd, you could be completely braindead and still wipe the floor with it.
analog oyster
so both scattergun & sniper becomes viable
obsidian depot
sniper is already viable, it's just overshadowed by the fact that scattergun exists
minor fractal
I don't even think it's overshadowed, tbh.
It has pretty notable strengths and weaknesses in comparison to sniper.
obsidian depot
scattergun does everything sniper used to do well, killing giants, hybrids, and bosses and does it better, with the caveat of having shorter range
minor fractal
It's bad for hybrids, no?
obsidian depot
one shots hybrids if you hit half pellets in head
analog oyster
i think the scattergun sucks when you're dealing with a huge wave of enemies and boss type enemies together
obsidian depot
which sniper isn't good at either
analog oyster
sniper is okay because you can still hit the boss
minor fractal
It's specifically good at that?
analog oyster
from really really far
minor fractal
It's strong on reactors because you can pick off hybrids over the swarm.
analog oyster
It's strong on reactors because you can pick off hybrids over the swarm.
yep
obsidian depot
yeah so the only caveat of scattergun vs sniper is the range
analog oyster
yeah
obsidian depot
which you can play around as well
minor fractal
That's fine, though.
Sniper requires high accuracy to be good, scattergun requires very good positioning to be effective.
analog oyster
i think you can get away with more stuff with scattergun though
in rundown 6 anyway
minor fractal
I think you're considerably underrating how difficult it can be to use scatter at times.
obsidian depot
the only situation where I'd say scatter is harder to use than sniper is vs tanks
otherwise it's braindead
minor fractal
If there are a lot of enemies, or it's a tank, you either have a hard time avoiding damage or you need to commit to taking damage to be effective.
You have to be able to get very close safely.
brave berry
Tbh I'd much rather have a sniper over a scatter gun when there are 5+ big enemies
minor fractal
^
analog oyster
same here
brave berry
E.g. c3 large biomass waves
Since you lose like 60 health if you are in the effective range of the scatter gun
obsidian depot
completely depends on the tileset and situation, if you have a door, cover, scattergun is literally just reload and peek
analog oyster
but sniper is pretty overshadowed by scattergun in r6 in general because 3/4 of the engagements are close quarters anyway
obsidian depot
not sure how you're losing 60hp vs giants on C3 but I'll take your word for it
brave berry
Could just be because of a bug that's doubling the waves
minor fractal
Scattergun is really only good on D2 and maybe D4 for birthers and charger titans.
It's good on D3, but I'm only really running it because I struggle to hit shots with sniper.
minor fractal
completely depends on the tileset and situation, if you have a door, cover, scat...
That is, in-fact, positioning.
brave berry
But there's like 16 of them at once
minor fractal
You do not always have the freedom to lure titans around corners to blast them.
obsidian depot
and because standing behind cover to reload and then peeking to shoot is a very difficult and hard to master part of positioning that it warrants the scattergun's insane upsides as a result
analog oyster
Scattergun is really only good on D2 and maybe D4 for birthers and charger titan...
i kind of feel like the shotgun can do the same crap with better ammo management tbh
obsidian depot
you expose yourself for less time with scatter because you don't need to aim vs sniper when peeking
minor fractal
and because standing behind cover to reload and then peeking to shoot is a very ...
Yes? Absolutely.
brave berry
I mean like if you're firing at pointblank range by peeking then why not just hipfire the sniper
Their heads pretty much fill the reticle
obsidian depot
because sniper isn't a one shot body? and if you're vs giants and not hybrids your reticle is larger than their head
minor fractal
You have to use the environment correctly, peak correctly, keep clear of other, faster threats, and it's fairly unviable for many defense points.
obsidian depot
but I can see why you're losing 60hp to giants on C3 now lol
half pumice
are you disabled? because the scatter gun is a crutch
and crutches are for disabled people
obsidian depot
if you're literally trying to hipfire giants in melee range LOL
brave berry
What
minor fractal
I think scatter is definitely fine considering how powerful the wave clear is this rundown, especially.
MG and HAR are both extremely strong for clearing smalls.
obsidian depot
comparing apples and oranges here
obsidian depot
not everything has to be burst cancel broken to be completely broken
minor fractal
The wave clear and titan clear for special weapons should take roughly similar levels of skill to use effectively, I don't think it's unfair at all to look at the state of both.
I'd at most reduce the shots per ammo use by 1 per titan killer (scattergun to 4, sniper to 5).
viscid wolf
calm down children
obsidian depot
yes Mr superior adult man
fierce oracle
scatter only good against bosses cause shitty coding 
obsidian depot
I'd at most reduce the shots per ammo use by 1 per titan killer (scattergun to 4...
revert sniper reserve ammo buff and give scattergun actual boss damage resistance values
half pumice
or just make scattergun sawed off 2.0
minor fractal
revert sniper reserve ammo buff and give scattergun actual boss damage resistanc...
The precision multi is already "boss resistance."
Functionally.
obsidian depot
you need 2 shots to kill mom with a scattergun
half pumice
So are you literally telling me jumping into a pMother and just clicking it isnt a issue?
obsidian depot
say that with a straight face that it's balanced
viscid wolf
you cannot kill with two shots
fierce oracle
^
analog oyster
you need 2 shots to kill mom with a scattergun
you cannot kill it in 2 shots
minor fractal
No? That's also more-so to do with shit netcode than the weapon itself.
fierce oracle
^
minor fractal
You'd normally be capped by tumors.
obsidian depot
then fix the bug?
obsidian depot
oof unlucky
half pumice
it literally died in two shots
minor fractal
It literally does not have the damage to do that.
half pumice
???? I have literally provided you video evidence
fierce oracle
thats a fucking music video
minor fractal
???? I have literally provided you video evidence
You linked a song
unkempt ridge
LMFAO
half pumice
analog oyster
thats a fucking music video
i think the music is pretty fitting
obsidian depot
so how much hp are they left with after 2 shots?
fierce oracle
60
obsidian depot
LOL ok, yeah that's a huge difference
definitely fixed it
moms are literally unkillable now
grave acorn
Or use boosters.
minor fractal
This is also ignoring the fact that birthers are trivially easy to kill with pump shotgun or HAR and one supporting weapon if you just kill babies and then fight her.
fierce oracle
This is also ignoring the fact that birthers are trivially easy to kill with pum...
pubs can't kill mom normally
therefore scatter broken
obsidian depot
to basically solo a mom
unkempt ridge
Then don't talk about the scattergun alone
minor fractal
This was the main surprise for me when playing D4 Duo.
Birther was actually extremely easy to fight.
Was expecting it to be the main roadblock.
obsidian depot
Because you can't 1 mag a mom without switching to my primary weapon, or having my teammate do 60 points of damage, scattergun is not broken
you right
you right
fierce oracle
scatter isn't broken because it does 1 thing
it does that thing really fucking well
but it doesn't do anything else past that
viscid wolf
oh yeah the motherfucker
minor fractal
The OHKO on titans is pretty consistent imo, it just takes much more effort than it used to.
fierce oracle
rather just use sniper tbh
viscid wolf
I mean on some birther levels youre still better running sniper
obsidian depot
it rarely one shots giants
not sure what you mean by this but if you try to use it like pre-nerf scatter of course it's not going to work
minor fractal
It basically works the way I thought it did originally, before I realized I was still killing things at 10m.
obsidian depot
I mean on some birther levels youre still better running sniper
example?
viscid wolf
C2 being a notable one
obsidian depot
you can run 1 scatter on both of those and kill mom faster
viscid wolf
D2 is the only one I can think whered you actually want to bring a scattergun
minor fractal
you can run 1 scatter on both of those and kill mom faster
Just run pump, it's straight up better.
fierce oracle
you can run 1 scatter on both of those and kill mom faster
like 5 seconds faster lol
scatter allows you to ignore boss strats
minor fractal
You don't gimp wave clear, you can kill scouts, birther is still trivial.
viscid wolf
there are hybrids too
unkempt ridge
Or use boosters.
it boosts your mag ? I thought it was just the total ammo
gaunt fulcrum
Is D3 extreme during the reactor or can i complete it after the reactor
We beat it :D
fierce oracle
it boosts your mag ? I thought it was just the total ammo
boost damage
viscid wolf
no it boosts the drop ammo
obsidian depot
it boosts your mag ? I thought it was just the total ammo
special damage boosters
stoic breach
We beat it :D
👍
unkempt ridge
oh that's what you meant
minor fractal
it boosts your mag ? I thought it was just the total ammo
It would be to get enough damage to two-shot, not to enable three-shot lmao.
unkempt ridge
that's kinda weird to talk weapon balances and bring boosters in the debate tho
minor fractal
I think it was more of a jest.
viscid wolf
depends on the gun
minor fractal
DMR is clearly extremely unbalanced when you bring in boosters.
viscid wolf
yeah
viscid wolf
hel rev moment
craggy pier
obsidian depot
scatter still basically has the same ammo economy as sniper for killing giants, you get less range, but more ease of use and being able able to act as panic-waveclear
stoic breach
supremacy
I suppose you could do the same with the pump shotty for giants, unless doing solo runs.
viscid wolf
scatter still basically has the same ammo economy as sniper for killing giants, ...
scatter has less bullets than sniper and less bullets per mag though
less range is a pretty big factor too
obsidian depot
scatter has 2 less bullets in reserve?
minor fractal
scatter still basically has the same ammo economy as sniper for killing giants, ...
HAR is extremely accurate and easy to control compared to MG that has a ton of recoil and a fucking chargeup, but I don't necessarily consider that a major balance issue.
obsidian depot
and 1 less bullet in the mag, but if you're playing cover, rounds per mag hardly becomes an issue unless you're against big chargers
fierce oracle
scattergun for wave clear kek
viscid wolf
and 1 less bullet in the mag, but if you're playing cover, rounds per mag hardly...
efficiency is pretty big
fierce oracle
let me fire twice and kill 4 things cause the spread is fucking horrendous
viscid wolf
how fast you can kill the hybrids can make a big difference in C2 ex
minor fractal
and 1 less bullet in the mag, but if you're playing cover, rounds per mag hardly...
Rounds per magazine is arguably one of the single most important stats in the game, rivaling RoF and damage (obviously).
stoic breach
how fast you can kill the hybrids can make a big difference in C2 ex
run in circle gang
obsidian depot
C2Ex is by no means difficult if you use either sniper or scatter
even with pre-nerf C2 Ex, there were 4 hybrids which would need the same amount of reloads from both guns
unkempt ridge
Rounds per magazine is arguably one of the single most important stats in the ga...
machine pistol go brrrrr
stoic breach
even with pre-nerf C2 Ex, there were 4 hybrids which would need the same amount ...
or with the double spawn bug: 8 hybrids 👀
viscid wolf
difference in difficulty does not concern difficulty by itself
no level in r6 is difficult therefore all guns are the same power level
thats not how it works
obsidian depot
the difference in difficulty would be how effective each gun is at dealing with the situation?
the less difficult the more powerful that gun is no?
viscid wolf
yes
if the sniper excels at a majority of the situations then doesn't that make it better?
minor fractal
Burst damage matters more than sustained damage on average, that's going to be true whenever the main issue is enemy threat level and not your ability to clear enemies sustainably.
grave acorn
DMR is clearly extremely unbalanced when you bring in boosters.
DMR with boosters the toppest shit. Hel revolvers too. Whatever that lets me pop small mobs with one headshot is gold to me.
minor fractal
It's been an issue since at least R2, and R2 was way tighter on ammo than anything that came after it.
obsidian depot
if the sniper excels at a majority of the situations then doesn't that make it b...
how does it excel at a majority of situations?
fierce oracle
range + mag size + more ammo
enemies are deleted before they get to you
therefore they don't become an issue
viscid wolf
C3 giant wave is a perfect example
obsidian depot
in exchange for ease or use and boss killing potential
the benefits are not one sided
fierce oracle
scatter is ass vs tank
minor fractal
^
stoic breach
Sniper >>>>> Scatter for tank
viscid wolf
ease of use isnt a good metric
fierce oracle
scatter kills mom, and is good enough for giants
but sniper out performs it for that
fierce oracle
scatter isn't broken because it does 1 thing
.
viscid wolf
if you're aim isn't good enough go ahead and play scatter thats fine
minor fractal
It's good for the tank on D3, but I think C-foam tripmines are doing most of the heavy lifting.
viscid wolf
but that isn't really a positive point
minor fractal
If it can fight back, it's pretty hard to get good shots off.
viscid wolf
you're eventually going to switch to Sniper because its just better
fierce oracle
guys my gun is good but only if the thing I am shooting literally cannot move or attack me
neon gust
what no good uptdates does to a mf
fierce oracle
Dragon didn't you know? The questions channel is for arguing about game balance 🙂
viscid wolf
this is so sad
analog oyster
scatter is ass vs tank
do you mean its ass for soloing tanks or for using it with a team
fierce oracle
I'm gonna go with both
neon gust
just bring a sniper
analog oyster
I'm gonna go with both
you can kill a tank in 5 seconds even if you're not that coordinated with a scattergun
neon gust
sniper can do it in less time
analog oyster
just go tank the damage
neon gust
scatter its noob trap
fierce oracle
I'd rather not drop 70% hp because I tried to shoot an enemy
neon gust
it was only good before because it did fucking 198 damage lmao
stoic breach
I miss the OG scatter...
minor fractal
As for positioning, it sounds like the assumption here is that hybrids and titans spawning for alarms, reactors, etc. are uncommon, when these are probably the exact reasons you would opt to bring a titan killer with you at all.
stoic breach
Only because seeing the mom disappear was fun 😦
viscid wolf
it was pretty funny
neon gust
i hope next uptdate actually brings a good gun, and a well tested and balance gun :]
viscid wolf
it will always be a motherfucker in my heart 
minor fractal
How should they balance burst cannon, actually?
fierce oracle
i hope next uptdate actually brings a good gun, and a well tested and balance gu...
Wdym? We already have the sawn off 🙂
viscid wolf
hmm down dmg
fierce oracle
that gun is totally balanced
analog oyster
How should they balance burst cannon, actually?
less ammo
viscid wolf
that's probably it
minor fractal
I never got good at it, so I never really got to appreciate how OP as fuck it was.
fierce oracle
fix burst cancel lmao
viscid wolf
40 ammo instead of like 60
noble sierra
They fixed burst cancel already.
grave acorn
How should they balance burst cannon, actually?
Burst cannon is perfectly balanced.
analog oyster
longer chargeup time might make it more balanced too
neon gust
legit make it like cfoam launcher, once you let go it prevents you from doing shit
but thats a convo not for the faint of heart
minor fractal
Charge-up would probably make it a bit more skill-oriented, similar to the scattergun treatment.
grave acorn
longer chargeup time might make it more balanced too
What? You are turning it into a hel gun now? Want to dock the damage and give it penetration too? It'll be the hel rifle dilemma, 2.0.
neon gust
skill, scatter 
minor fractal
skill, scatter <:PirateSimon:621817514388750377>
For waves at least, I'd say it's pretty hard to get effective shots on it.
If you're being a dumbfuck, you'll probably load all of your pellets into the first striker or two and that's about it.
analog oyster
What? You are turning it into a hel gun now? Want to dock the damage and give it...
i dont understand what you're saying and i dont think you read my comment right
solid spear
Mmm
neon gust
For waves at least, I'd say it's pretty hard to get effective shots on it.
legit the same treatment, as every other weapon for waves
just wait for them to gather up
and boom
skill.....
minor fractal
just wait for them to gather up
Again, if you just shoot directly at the front of a wave you will not hit much of anything.
neon gust
make the bc a twenty round burst
my frames yo
craggy pier
give scattergun sniper accuracy and a 10 round mag with atleast 120 rpm
grave acorn
i dont understand what you're saying and i dont think you read my comment right
Eh I was joking since guns with slow starts are usually hel guns.
Too many people used hel rifles. Not enough DPS to clear mom/tank effectively despite penetration. 
viscid wolf
doesn't matter you'll be staring at the ceiling anyway
unkempt ridge
give scattergun sniper accuracy and a 10 round mag with atleast 120 rpm
choke mode scattergun
analog oyster
Eh I was joking since guns with slow starts are usually hel guns.
Too many peopl...
hel gun fires pretty quickly
viscid wolf
HEL rifle was my BC copium
grave acorn
Hel gun does, hel rifle didn't.
craggy pier
choke mode scattergun
YES choke mod scattegun
analog oyster
Eh I was joking since guns with slow starts are usually hel guns.
Too many peopl...
but you just said hel gun
grave acorn
The gun types.
analog oyster
the only other gun type is hel rifle
its okay im not here to argue LMAO
i do think burst cannon should have a longer chargeup time for the amount of damage it can do though
grave acorn
Hels. They pierce. They have some windup.
We have hel gun, rifle, revolver now.
analog oyster
Hels. They pierce. They have some windup.
We have hel gun, rifle, revolver now.
the only 2 with windup is rifle and gun
grave acorn
But yeah. Anything would be nice as long as we get BURST CANNON BACK.
Really now? Must be off my meds. Should try revolvers again.
minor fractal
skill, scatter <:PirateSimon:621817514388750377>
Also, in general it takes a lot more effort for the scattergun to provide you with any value compared to the pre-nerf version of the weapon where you could do everything wrong and it would still kill things. It's hard to kill more than three enemies at a time now, vs. when it would kill at least five strikers almost every time. Also, point-blank vs. 10m away for striker titans.
analog oyster
Really now? Must be off my meds. Should try revolvers again.
it actually never had a windup
the only downside to it against a dmr is the lack of scope & the lack of ability to 1shot shooters
but the pen makes it really great
neon gust
Also, in general it takes a lot more effort for the scattergun to provide you wi...
Good points, sadly i use sniper always
cuz scatter caca
solid spear
Hel rifle is superior
neon gust
i wish they woulda just bring back rifle instead
solid spear
Fight me
minor fractal
cuz scatter caca
It's not bad into waves, tbf, but it's much closer to being a chip damage weapon (it should have always been that) than being for killing waves.
solid spear
Lol
minor fractal
You can still do a good chunk of your damage, but you need to finish them off.
neon gust
It's not bad into waves, tbf, but it's much closer to being a chip damage weapon...
I woulda rather scatter been a burst weapon or something else
not whatever it was/is now
grave acorn
Nah. Burst cannon, son. The winner's choice.
Just slam the two together, burst cannon with penetration. No burst cancel. You shoot 5. Less total ammo. You can leave the game and make coffee while waiting between bursts.
solid spear
Hel rifle good for killing scounts Giants hybrids and sleepers all this = good times
minor fractal
I think it's fine, it has a niche and requires more than 2 brain cells to use.
solid spear
Nah. Burst cannon, son. The winner's choice.
Just slam the two together, burst c...
Never had a chance to use burst cannon so i wouldn't know
stoic breach
Hel rifle good for killing scounts Giants hybrids and sleepers all this = good t...
Or we can use Hel Gun and do all those things but spam without using brain 🧠
minor fractal
The fact that anyone could says it's OP in its current state I think demonstrates that it has its place.
solid spear
Or we can use Hel Gun and do all those things but spam without using brain 🧠
Hel gun? It doesn't one tap scouts lmao
analog oyster
Hel gun? It doesn't one tap scouts lmao
2tap
stoic breach
I thought it could to the back of the head
stoic breach
I know for CScout you gotta 2/3 tap it.
neon gust
Hel gun? It doesn't one tap scouts lmao
back of the head it does
analog oyster
1 headshot 1 body if im not wrong
solid spear
Ye hel gun 2 taps scouts why use hell gun if you could just use hell rifle which one taps em
neon gust
more versatility, better cqc
analog oyster
Ye hel gun 2 taps scouts why use hell gun if you could just use hell rifle which...
cause theres no hel rifle
solid spear
back of the head it does
Yeah but with bell rifle you can shoot anywhere
solid spear
cause theres no hel rifle
Im talking about R5
stoic breach
Hel Gun reigned supreme in R5
solid spear
No lol
analog oyster
i think hel gun was superior because it could shoot way faster
clear waves faster
but hel rifle was good too
neon gust
Yeah but with bell rifle you can shoot anywhere
I mean sure but if you actually had a team, sniper does the same, shotgun lots of guns
it was good but not that great
long ass reload, no damage to bosses
if you had more than 1 it was just bad
solid spear
I mean sure but if you actually had a team, sniper does the same, shotgun lots o...
True but why use snipper if hel rifle does 60% what it can do
analog oyster
True but why use snipper if hel rifle does 60% what it can do
hel rifle doesnt kill giants or hybrids in 1 hit
stoic breach
Because Sniper actually oneshots giants and pops sacs on boss monsters
solid spear
Idk hell rifle was just a good chose id say
solid spear
hel rifle doesnt kill giants or hybrids in 1 hit
I know
stoic breach
Not saying its bad. Hard to see it being better than the Sniper or the Hel Gun.
analog oyster
it really is how you use it
minor fractal
every gun in this game is viable
R1 Sniper 😐
analog oyster
imagine having to go behind a giant just to 1hit it
minor fractal
R3 sniper wasn't even that good, it was just the first rundown where it had any amount of viability.
stoic breach
I don't even know where. Cheesing the D1 mom?
minor fractal
You had to be very specific about how you ran it, too, one shot to the head on bigs and let someone else kill it.
analog oyster
I don't even know where. Cheesing the D1 mom?
oh yes that was overpowered as fuck
shooting 3 shots into the boss before it even moves
stoic breach
I just had two people hop in between the gap and go for it LMAO
analog oyster
yeah that
the apex door
because nothing moves until the apex door opens
they should fix that actually
stoic breach
You remember that godly R3 Burst Cannon?
minor fractal
Door bugs in general.
minor fractal
You remember that godly R3 Burst Cannon?
Bro, it was so bad.
analog oyster
i think i binned r3 burst cannon the moment i used it in a1
stoic breach
Bro, it was so bad.
That was my favorite part. The disappointment, despite it sounding BIG and BADASS.
analog oyster
the entire rundown my games rotated around sniper, shotgun & combat shotgun only
minor fractal
It did need a buff, a big buff, maybe not double damage big, though.
stoic breach
Ah R3 combat shotty aka Frame Dropper lite.
minor fractal
Wait, did it not OHKO striker titans?
analog oyster
Wait, did it not OHKO striker titans?
sniper?
minor fractal
I could have sworn BC did that post-buff.
analog oyster
sniper in r3 doesnt OHKO strikers in the face
analog oyster
im not sure about BC
minor fractal
In R4Ext
minor fractal
||I wonder if it got nerfed in the background, I'll have to look for notes on BC damage from back then...||
unkempt ridge
the discussion started with the sniper being unbalanced
I don't even know why it changed to scattergun
finite plinth
scattergun nerf copium
viscid wolf
hai badger
finite plinth
a
winged lantern
How good is a bots aim? If it was a bot with snipe vs a big boi, would it be able to to headshot snipe it? Or would it not even use the sniper?
solid spear
Wouldn't know don't use em
safe musk
Artificial Heat. Can someone explain?
grave acorn
How good is a bots aim? If it was a bot with snipe vs a big boi, would it be abl...
Their aim is good however
- They don't discriminate what they shoot at with sniper.
- They sometimes go stupid and magdump on walls or already dead enemies.
- They will shoot at mobs that aren't even there yet in alarms. That means they waste their shots on walls or doors.
winged lantern
I see
hard nexus
Artificial Heat. Can someone explain?
the less frequently you play a level, the more artifact heat you are gonna get
the more artifact heat you have, the more artifact progression you get each time you pick up an artifact
once you pass 1.00 artifact progression when picking them up you will get an artifact booster to equip as a perk in loadout
this is to discourage you from playing the same level over and over to farm boosters
finite plinth
bot accuracy drops significantly on follow up shots when an enemy staggers
grizzled widget
Day 8 of asking where is r6 extended:
unkempt ridge
How good is a bots aim? If it was a bot with snipe vs a big boi, would it be abl...
don't
they're not like us, they won't focus giants just because they have the sniper, they won't even give headshots
grizzled widget
Sniper turret can kill giants, hybrids, and big shooters in crowds, but when I set it up to kill a scout, it shoots the one small striker in the corner. Makes sense.
solid spear
Doesn't turrets target randomly
grizzled widget
Not sniper
rain steeple
Yes, because they aren’t programmed to target big guys only
Sniper targets the same as the rest of the turrets
grizzled widget
Sniper targets the same as the rest of the turrets
Nonsense. I've seen it over and over again, EVERY ALARM for the past few WEEKS, shooting the hybrids at the back of the blood door when there is a horde of more than a dozen little guys
And sniping the giant at the back of defense in c2 while again, a horde of strikers is running by
Cap.
solid spear
Stop the cap
grizzled widget
Yes, because they aren’t programmed to target big guys only
Not big guys only, no. But in a horde 100% of the time I've seen it shoot the big guys FIRST
rain steeple
Well then you either mistook one of your own shots hitting the striker, or a missed shot from trying to hit a big guy or something
Also please turn off ping if you are going to reply to what I say
unkempt ridge
frosty had a sniper guy in their team from the beginning and they didn't even notice
"woah that turret is pretty good"
grizzled widget
Well then you either mistook one of your own shots hitting the striker, or a mis...
I bring burst rifle and machinegun. How am I gonna--
solid spear
Not big guys only, no. But in a horde 100% of the time I've seen it shoot the bi...
Wouldn't know because in don't use sniper turret
grizzled widget
frosty had a sniper guy in their team from the beginning and they didn't even no...
I was playing SOLO without bots
unkempt ridge
yes yes, that's what they say
rain steeple
I bring burst rifle and machinegun. How am I gonna--
I don’t know what you are running man, I am not telepathic
Also please turn off pings when you reply to me, like I asked
grizzled widget
I dunno how do that
unkempt ridge
please don't turn off pings when you reply to me
solid spear
Sos
solid spear
Also please turn off pings when you reply to me, like I asked
Just joking
rain steeple
I dunno how do that
When you reply, on the right there should be a thing that says ‘@ on’, click that
grizzled widget
bring sniper sen in solo
Go try run b1 solo without bots, when you get to the giant room, alert it and put sniper sentry down.
Or a1 at 2nd alarm
finite plinth
there's a giant room?
solid spear
Wait theres a giant room in A1
grizzled widget
2 giants near 3rd 5 scan door
rain steeple
Yeah there are zones with guaranteed giant spawns
solid spear
Me neither
grizzled widget
Room with a giant in it
rain steeple
Wait theres a giant room in A1
Yeah, the second half of the level is guaranteed to have 2, though not only giants
rain steeple
Room with a giant in it
^
grizzled widget
Scout rooms arent rooms with only scouts, usually they also have trash mobs in them
I say usually because c1 and d2 exist.
solid spear
Hmmm C1 flash backs
heavy kestrel
btw do enemies get aggroed in other rooms if you shoot in the room youre in?
like, is it safe to shoot a scout, if there are unexplored rooms nearby?
unkempt ridge
it is safe is the doors are closed