oh ay I got it lol
#gtfo-related-questions
glad depot
chilly plover
Are there any plans in the GTFO roadmap to introduce save points at checkpoints to start off from in seperate sessions?
ruby wasp
no idea
buoyant arrow
i wouldnt count on it tbh
ruby wasp
The thing is you can ask anyone to join you at the end of a level & clear it for free
chilly plover
It's really too bad, three friends and I love this game but we've hit the wall now and have decided to cease playing because of the amount of restarting we have to do. UGH, we like it so much too.
Just too bad, if this game had some save points we could start from - just because the sessions take so long :\
ruby wasp
What is "too long" in term of hours ?
buoyant arrow
Yeah game was made to be a wall, getting better is the only option
ruby wasp
2 ?
chilly plover
we played 3 hours last night
ruby wasp
5 ?
ruby wasp
oh 🅱️oi
chilly plover
So now we lost all that progress etc.
ruby wasp
did you see the end ?
chilly plover
Nah.
craggy pier
well you know what to do for next time!
ruby wasp
Time to spend another 3 hours
buoyant arrow
This truly is the gtfo experience then
craggy pier
just gotta learn from your mistakes :)
rigid sinew
eh, my only advice would be to really try hard on learning on your mistakes
no point in waking up the same room for 9 hours straight
chilly plover
But the strat has to change every time due to the seed.
rigid sinew
or you know...take the easy route and watch a guide or get carried
but eh, that's lame
rigid sinew
But the strat has to change every time due to the seed.
to be fair the changes from run to run are not impactful enough to really affect the performance of a run
at least on levels <=C3
and stuff doesn't randomize when you load from a check
ruby wasp
But the strat has to change every time due to the seed.
if a strat is working, it'll work regardless of the seed
except under extreme situations
rigid sinew
that would only really matter in like...the first scan lol
ruby wasp
You can do C1 without a single mine deployer or bio if you know how to use burst sentries & cfoam
hell
even 4 burst sentries will work
lmao
don't try that on D3 overload though 😳
craggy pier
the randomness of a level isn't gonna change what weapons/tools you bring
chilly plover
But it does change the pickups
and being able to get ammo etc.
C-foam grenades are littered on C1 for example, insisting that's a strat to use.
craggy pier
there's alot of pickups tho, even if you light up every room you'll still have enough ammo
unless you're mag dumping on giants
bring 2 snipers for c1
makes the giant rooms more or less risk free
ruby wasp
C-foam grenades are littered on C1 for example, insisting that's a strat to use.
Strat to use to clear the scout
Doesn't mean this is what you necessarily must do
You can trigger them all & clear the waves if you want
you'll still have enough ammo, med & tools to clear the level
ruby wasp
can confirm as well thanks to my idiotic friend
craggy pier
*can confirm as well thanks to my idiotic friend*
I was the idiotic friend LMAO
ruby wasp
based
ruby wasp
that reminds me
i saw a stream a week or two ago
where people triggered the scouts after picking the datacube & doing all the survival thing
the wave spawned in the datacube zone
lmao
craggy pier
oh rip
ruby wasp
in the very last room where there is no door, no hole or whatever
craggy pier
yeah but there's doors you can barricade
ruby wasp
Another good example of why scout waves are annoying
craggy pier
door
ruby wasp
le funny spawn in front of you (or behind you) to destroy doors
tardy ingot
You really shouldn't be smug.
Its not about being smug lol
We all took a long time at the start, but we didnt have checkpoints at all.
The thing is, its not cuz the game is so incredibly hard actually. Its mostly knowing strats and executing them which takes up a massive amount of ressources and time
chilly plover
I guess that's kind of where my group is divided.. And i don't disagree tbh, this game does not respect your time
And .. ya .. we love it. It's a well made game.
But any game that doesn't respect the time you put in, at least to a REASONABLE degree can get tiring
So i get their angst on that.
Again, i want to get better and conquer but ya..
ruby wasp
The game's main purpose is to put you under heavy pressure
chilly plover
It's a lot to invest i guess.
Fair, but a lot of games do that, and still respect your time in terms of mechanics.
Even the ability to start over at the checkpoint would basically solve this entire issue.
Easy mode - saves at checkpoint etc, Hard difficulty - 1 and done etc.
It's not like it's a foreign idea in game design etc.
But ya.. i get what you mean.
ruby wasp
Before R6 there were no checkpoints
before R5 there were no boosters
levels lasted much longer
chilly plover
But that doesn't mean the design was right.
tardy ingot
i get your time concern. When i started out we took like 1 1/2 to 2 hours per completed run (with several tries before that sometimes)
ruby wasp
it wasn't right because the difficulty was purely artificial
By removing that artificial difficulty, we ended up with R6
chilly plover
Im just surprised this isn't a feature being considered.
ruby wasp
even then some parts are BS
tardy ingot
but after 100 hours you start getting a LOT faster
ruby wasp
like D4
I don't think it's not considered
Rather there are a lot of things to do before thinking about it
tardy ingot
Its just rough to implement
ruby wasp
Bugs being one of them
tardy ingot
Bugs being one of them
considering chrckpoints already have like 90% of the games bugs rn LOL
ruby wasp
because they are host migrations
chilly plover
Ya and it's fine to take that game design stance. But expecting a group of four dudes to invest 100 hours before any kind of result comes out of it?
Come on now.
ruby wasp
it's not "any kind of result"
i've seen people clearing the whole rundown under 100h of playtime
tardy ingot
@chilly plover if you rly struggle id recommend looking up basic guides (without spoilering yourself on the whole level)
Professor scaler is a good example for that, as he goes through the level in his guides so you get to know strats til you are at a new part where you stop watching
ruby wasp
I've watched them & i can tell you they went with some weird ass strats
yet they pulled it off
chilly plover
Well sadly. I've lost my group.
tardy ingot
i've seen people clearing the whole rundown under 100h of playtime
yep
Cleared everything but R4E1 with 100h
chilly plover
So ya.. ill have to play with some people in here because i cant' force my friends to want to play anymore.
Sucks. but it's happened.
stoic breach
Fully cleared R2 with <100 hours
ruby wasp
epico
chilly plover
You guys realize 100 hours is RIDICULOUS right?
tardy ingot
if they leave that early (c1) then they honestly wouldnt have gone through the harder levels anyway
stoic breach
You guys realize 100 hours is RIDICULOUS right?
What's your main game
chilly plover
Overwatch
stoic breach
What's your level
chilly plover
no idea.
tardy ingot
You guys realize 100 hours is RIDICULOUS right?
not rly?
Its not 100 hours of training. Its 100hours of fun and finding out stuff while clearing levels
stoic breach
If it's anything about 50, then you probably have over 100 hours in OW
stoic breach
SAMEEE
chilly plover
sleepy ya .. fair. OVER 5 years
stoic breach
lfgs make me jaded
ruby wasp
i stopped LFGs after 3 games
tardy ingot
i still love the game at 650 
though lfg is rough lol
ruby wasp
3 games, 9 idiots
tardy ingot
and. i get results every time i play.
you do for gtfo aswell?
stoic breach
It's always a 1vX
ruby wasp
i tried once 2/3 weeks ago for D4
jfc
5h to clear D4 because none of them knew proper strat
"hue hue i did D4 more than a hundred times"
stoic breach
and. i get results every time i play.
I mean losing is a result too 😄
ruby wasp
proceeds to cfoam doors when one of them is opened on purpose for the first alarm
chilly plover
Sadly i can't speak for the other dudes, so i just lost them to uninstalls.
stoic breach
It happens. GTFO is a tough game to learn.
ruby wasp
That's the issue
chilly plover
Im just not sure why there isnt' at least plans to consider save points. I don't think it ruins the game dynamic.
ruby wasp
Either GTFO tries to become closer to what the majority wants
tardy ingot
i honestly only was not happy when losing a run TWICE in 600+ hours
Once cuz a close friend intentionally ended a 1+ hour run cuz he was triggered by someone not answering him immediatly (wtf) and once due to major desync fucking over a clean 2+ hour run when we were new
ruby wasp
aka a game that's easier to deal with
stoic breach
Im just not sure why there isnt' at least plans to consider save points. I don't...
Because technically all the levels are sub or close to 1 hour in length
ruby wasp
Or it keeps going the way it wants
ends up being niche because the average level isn't high enough
tardy ingot
Because technically all the levels are sub or close to 1 hour in length
this
ruby wasp
They have to find a way to balance both of these
tardy ingot
for intermiedate its probably like 1 hour 30
chilly plover
we tried last night about 5 games. OF which we rubber banded further and further, but ultimately died to some ridiculous horde that almost felt unfair at the point of where we were at, lack of resources etc.
It just felt like the game said 'nope' start over again
ruby wasp
Out of curiosity, what were your loadouts on C1 @chilly plover
ruby wasp
which turrets
chilly plover
both autos
ruby wasp
inb4 2 auto
craggy pier
i've seen people clearing the whole rundown under 100h of playtime
I cleared it in like 27
tardy ingot
yep
chilly plover
err wait one was b urst.
tardy ingot
cuz auto go brrr
chilly plover
*burst
ruby wasp
😩
chilly plover
How the literal fuck are you supposed to gauge this?
ruby wasp
It's not intuitive at all, but auto are probably one of the hardest tool to properly use
You can't except by observing it
low dmg (written in the tool description)
stoic breach
How the literal fuck are you supposed to gauge this?
That's what I've been arguing for months
ruby wasp
shitty accuracy
tardy ingot
people dont even observe spawn mechanics…
ruby wasp
waste way too much ammos
tardy ingot
how are they supposed to see auto sentry = podoo
stoic breach
people dont even observe spawn mechanics…
I went into a D4 lobby and they didn't even know that existed.
tardy ingot
WHAT
stoic breach
😳
tardy ingot
holy shit. We found that out in r4a1???
how are people like that
D4???
how do you even get there
ruby wasp
carry
tardy ingot
aim bot?
ruby wasp
hardcarry
tardy ingot
yeah probably…
stoic breach
They just kinda assumed that they spawned in random locations away from the team
Like you got 1/2 of the idea.
ruby wasp
I've played with someone who's been carried the whole rundown
craggy pier
I got carried for some of the hard ones but I still pulled my weight
tardy ingot
I've played with someone who's been carried the whole rundown
I know someone who got carried through it. But he actually is trying to go through it again to do it himself
stoic breach
👏
ruby wasp
Ended up taunting me on R4E1 cuz they cleared it without me so they instantly thought i was the weak link
stoic breach
GOOD ON THEM
tardy ingot
so props to that
tardy ingot
chilly plover
Honestly, GTFO might be my most favourite co-op game since Deep Rock Galatic. The sad reality as a game design it lacks a feature that should be there, which is to train and perhaps understand the dynamics better over time, so you can ramp up to the difficulty you guys are expressing here.
stoic breach
R5A2PE 😔 i miss it already
ruby wasp
Honestly, GTFO might be my most favourite co-op game since Deep Rock Galatic. Th...
The whole purpose of the game is tryharding
It just shits on you
chilly plover
I get the reasoning, but still. The drop off for players is a negative to the game's future imo
tardy ingot
Honestly, GTFO might be my most favourite co-op game since Deep Rock Galatic. Th...
you can do that by redoing earlier levels. Redoing a checkpoint 10 times isnt gonna help
chilly plover
Nah i get it. but still.
ruby wasp
redoing levels help a lot indeed
tardy ingot
if you struggle at c1, redo b1 and make it til it looks easy
craggy pier
I'm going back to every mission to learn and understand them until I'm good enough to help other players through them
stoic breach
I get the reasoning, but still. The drop off for players is a negative to the ga...
Well... looking at the steam charts (in Janurary, we were at 1k+ people so that's not bad).
ruby wasp
A1, B1 & B2 alone cover several mechanics
stoic breach
I'm going back to every mission to learn and understand them until I'm good enou...
Call me when you figure out how to beat Fiireblades 16 min D4.
tardy ingot
Call me when you figure out how to beat Fiireblades 16 min D4.
doable
Just gotta be cracked and do it with other cracked players for hours
tardy ingot
Honestly, GTFO might be my most favourite co-op game since Deep Rock Galatic. Th...
the thing is. What you think is NEEDED might be helpful (to some, as it can also be detrimental)
But its not like the game immediatly died without it gor 2 years
so its good to think and debate about it. But if someone just insta uninstalls then… idk
probably not their game
a1/b1 and even b2 to an extend are rly rly easy if you grasphes the basics
stoic breach
I think I had about 50 B1 clears and 300 resets because of 36...
😩 GOT THAT DAMN ROOM 20 TIMES IN A ROW 😔
stoic breach
One day i'll zoom again.
tardy ingot
i honestly wanna get sub 20 solo
Been working towards it (and sub 12 duo)
tardy ingot
You cracked tho
finite plinth
bot bio op
tardy ingot
btw what was the hardest?
finite plinth
d2 so hard vro
tardy ingot
vro?
stoic breach
vroom
finite plinth
dual uplinks skill issued me twice
tardy ingot
Understandable
finite plinth
d4 checkpointed once but it was because we woke up sleeping mom
rest of the level was smooth af
tardy ingot
id have guessed that. C2 (tho easy if they can shoot i guess)
or D4 (due to 1st alarm door)
finite plinth
nah surge was first try
tardy ingot
noice
finite plinth
just don't bring bio
c2 was also first try because we brought two sniper sen
why shoot hybrids when sniper sen can negate our skill issue
tardy ingot
buffed sniper sentry is fun
tardy ingot
best „new guy“ ive played with is in my friend group now
His group struggled with a1. I helped them by explaining
his group was tilted anyway so we duod a2/a3/b1 (r5)
the next day we did d1 ext
wooden osprey
and won?
wooden osprey
amazing
tardy ingot
he is now decent at the game
did d1/d2 before going to rest of b and c levels
he had quite the ride
wooden osprey
lol
mossy aurora
Honestly, GTFO might be my most favourite co-op game since Deep Rock Galatic. Th...
You "train" by replaying difficult levels. Levels that are too easy or runs that go smoothly don't do much for helping improve your mechanics or decision making
Bad LFG groups are actually good practice to a certain extent
tame quiver
No, just afk and we need to scan
Was gonna kick him and tell him to rejoin later when he came back
topaz anvil
Ah
Could be worse
Could be mid error alarm
Take a 5 minute break and go grab a snack or smth
grizzled widget
literally just saw a sniper turret turn 45 degrees vertically and headshot a giant. do they go after heads? i've also seen them completely ignore shooters and strikers in hordes and snipe the giants at the back. if this stuff is true.. then god, sniper turret is my favorite!
random fiber
Yeah they click heads
finite plinth
yea sentries do go for heads
literally have to aim faster than burst sen to get heads
rigid sinew
I get the reasoning, but still. The drop off for players is a negative to the ga...
people don't like to place real effort into the games they play
and this is a game completely based on effort lol
chilly plover
That's horse piss, sorry.
We put a lot of effort in. That's not the debate.
I think it should be a question of if it's good game design period. Respecting a gamers time is always a plus regardless of what model you use.
rigid sinew
Is it good design to make your players think? yes
Is it good design to make long levels? of course, but the thing is it's not something everybody will particularly tolerate/like
ever played a 3 hour long TF2 match :ujel:
floral acorn
i like the challenge and the rewards. comparing to some other titles its bliss. clearing a wave, i dont want the last hybrid to pop and reveal a medipack from its innards, for example
i want the scarce single medpack to be in the 2 scout room so i can observe, plan, time it, execute, succeed, smile..
floral acorn
word
rigid sinew
powerpoint
floral acorn
i excel in "had it coming" :)
finite plinth
i excel in "not my problem"
fierce oracle
The reward in this game is just beating it
fierce oracle
The game respects your time because it doesn’t condescend to you with pointless unlocks and skins and levels
safe musk
^
tardy ingot
I think it should be a question of if it's good game design period. Respecting a...
cuz games like league of legends respect your time? In sense of general play, improvement and rank?
Or games like payday 
Whats your "a lot of effort".
Did you try to learn how enemys spawn in alarms? how they move? What the tools do? How to use them effectively? How to stealth enemys? (sniping scouts often is a viable option, but there are a lot of ways). How to look for ressources with terminals? (also use terminals for objective knowledge)
finite plinth
no game respect a player's time because video games are a waste of time
tardy ingot
You can tell when you have mastered something
this and the reward being beating the game
It feels so fucking good when you dont get a level handed to you. (which is why its comparable to dark souls in some ways for me).
finite plinth
any argument regarding time is obsolete by default
fierce oracle
I don’t understand the whole progression/time arguments
If you need some pointless skins to keep you playing
Why are you even playing in the first place?
tardy ingot
its fun when new players say b2 takes way too long (taking 4 hours due to reseting 20 times at a checkpoint with 15% health, 5% ammo and no tool) when the old way wouldve made them clear the level in 2-3
safe musk
Time is just an illusion- Einstein probably
tardy ingot
best thing is. Skins are most often only for "oh look what i have" and not "oh it looks so good now the game is good"
Like, does anyone actually change the skins they use every time?
fierce oracle
Pink + lemon head every run
tardy ingot
lemon head + early adopter every run
fierce oracle
Literally only because it looks stupid
tardy ingot
best change was changing the early access palette to how it is now 
rigid sinew
eh, game mechanics are on a different bar if you ask me
random fiber
I get to have a bright pink character, so what else do I need to ask for?
viscid wolf
I mean the people who were saying 'this game sucks now theres no bhopping' were pretty annoying
rigid sinew
I get to have a bright pink character, so what else do I need to ask for?
an infection colored chracter
viscid wolf
you can dislike the removal of it
but if that's what keeps you playing then you shouldn't be playing
random fiber
I'm so unhappy gtfo had bhop removed it was the only game with the mechanic I cry
viscid wolf
rigid sinew
you can dislike the removal of it
I mean, those are as annoyin' as anyone in the opposite side of your beliefs
it just so happens that they are a really loud minority...who am I kiddin', all minorities are loud as fuck
craggy pier
viscid wolf
damn those minorities
finite plinth
minorideez nuts
unkempt ridge
How much do you need to charge the Lance to one-shot a striker and a shooter in the head ?
craggy pier
how many giants are in the D4 haha funni teleport
unkempt ridge
your waifu
craggy pier
menhera chan
topaz anvil
Me
thin pine
😳
topaz anvil
unkempt ridge
Does letting 1 ennemy alive in a room will prevent Cocoons to respawn more ennemies ?
distant ice
no
unkempt ridge
ty
unkempt ridge
do you see the Prisoner Efficiency badge elsewhere than the victory screen ?
solid spear
No
unkempt ridge
kekw
solid spear
When you survive the expoditon it will give you 
If you see this emoji
On the survived the expodtion
That means you did it
unkempt ridge
I know
solid spear
okay why did you ask if you see it anywhere else then
unkempt ridge
well the game write [x, x, x, x] below the missions so I thought that was what the last "x" was for ?
craggy pier
it is
craggy pier
everything has been changed with this knowledge bestowed upon you
unkempt ridge
Indeed
solid spear
I didn't understand stood that x,x,x,x thing until i did my first PE in R5
Happy to help btw
heavy kestrel
hey, anyone got any tips for the D1 mission? Its the one where you first sneak around to start the reactor and then go turn on the air filtration. We are struggling pretty bad with it, so maybe some loadout tips or something? 
mystic loom
Main Weapon, dmr,ar,hel Rev,
Spec weapon, hel gun,sniper,har
Tools,1 bio and 3 burst sentry/1 bio,1 mine and 2 burst sentry
Bring a sniper will make the level faster to complete
heavy kestrel
we have those wepons, just 1 bio, 2 auto sentries and 1 C-foam
mystic loom
Auto
heavy kestrel
yeah the sniper is great
mystic loom
The key word
heavy kestrel
so burst sentries are better for this?
mystic loom
The auto sentry really can’t help you much in reactor and alarm
mystic loom
so burst sentries are better for this?
Yes
ruby wasp
anything but auto sentries
heavy kestrel
well, its projectiles are all over the place, thats true. Guess we can try out the burst ones yeah
ruby wasp
for everyone's sake
mystic loom
Sniper sentry not that bad but burst sentry has buffed
heavy kestrel
ah okay, one guy we play with said that autos were the way to go. Tho last he played was on release so yeaaaaa
ruby wasp
Guess that guy is an idiot
heavy kestrel
nah, we just dont have the experience
heavy kestrel
autos were very helpful till now, so we just assumed they were good
mystic loom
The one who tell you is trolling if you guys are playing the normal way
ruby wasp
If autos were helpful, idk what you would think of burst sentries then
When you clear C1's last scan with enemies starting to come at 95% with burst sentries, idk how people can switch to auto
heavy kestrel
we're just 4 friends who got into the game, thats all. Before we even did A1 he said something like "iirc the autos are the best" and we just stuck with them
ruby wasp
lol
formal moat
autos are good for stuns from what i can tell
mystic loom
Lmao
craggy pier
akshuwally sniper sentry is the best
ruby wasp
Autos are good to assist you
heavy kestrel
was working fine for us so we didnt really feel the need to change the sentry
formal moat
but yeah, burst is reliable
ruby wasp
Since it has the best staggering effect out of all the sentries
But you just can't use it to kill by itself
heavy kestrel
autos are good for stuns from what i can tell
yeah this was a big bonus we noticed
heavy kestrel
but ye, will try out the burst ones, thanks for the tip
craggy pier
sniper sentry 
heavy kestrel
also, are any of those disinfection stations in that lvl?
i only just read that those exist, and that some missions have it
craggy pier
no
craggy pier
what level?
ruby wasp
D1
heavy kestrel
D1
ruby wasp
B1 doesn't even have toxic fog
craggy pier
nvrmind I thought he was talking about c1
ruby wasp
lol
mystic loom
||At the room you need to enter the command||
craggy pier
You're talking about levels with dis stations, right?
craggy pier
You're right, b2
heavy kestrel
||At the room you need to enter the command||
ah alright, nice
usually always have 20-ish after we run thru that infected room, so it would be nice to have that station
oh and one more thing, the scouts. Do they only get alarmed if you touch the feelers? So you can like shine light on them and run around near them?
mystic loom
oh and one more thing, the scouts. Do they only get alarmed if you touch the fee...
If you touch his feelers, you still have around 1 s to kill it
heavy kestrel
huh, alright, thats useful to know
mystic loom
It will become unbreakable when you touch his feeler and you don’t kill it on time/you touch his body/you miss you hammer at his head and others doesn’t hammer at the same time/ the room wake and enemy yell
random fiber
oh and one more thing, the scouts. Do they only get alarmed if you touch the fee...
Light won't wake it,, but it may send its tentacles out because of the light
heavy kestrel
yeah we know about that, its just how much can you do around it
heavy kestrel
Light won't wake it,, but it may send its tentacles out because of the light
ahhh, okay, that makes sense
and the running part? I assume they can also send out tentacles cause of noise around them?
random fiber
Yup
heavy kestrel
alrighttt
topaz anvil
Just don't shoot
heavy kestrel
5head
mystic loom
But try not to kill it when enemy next to him
random fiber
Dont shoot and dont touch
and dont kill an enemy right next to him
as bot enjoyer said
mystic loom
Since if you wake the enemy next to it, he will alert
topaz anvil
Dont shoot and dont touch
If only americans listened to this
heavy kestrel
yeah alright
i think we got screwed by the scout a few times cause we though he doesnt care if you run around it
grizzled widget
Is it just me, or is it waaaay easier to solo 3-4 dudes with melee stealth than back in the day? Back then, it felt like a stretch to get more than 2 at all
minor fractal
Is it just me, or is it waaaay easier to solo 3-4 dudes with melee stealth than ...
What weapon?
Hammer has been nerfed, so it's harder, it was even easier before.
grizzled widget
i swapped from the maul, to the sledge shortly, then the mace.
minor fractal
?
If you mean bat, then it has a faster charge, so multi-kills are much more forgiving.
midnight gazelle
Bat is probably the closest thing to the previous hammer weapons honestly lol
minor fractal
Hammer still feels like hammer to me, it just takes more skill to use it well now.
neon gust
spark wolf
its way too big
dull breach
Anyone have strats for taking out big beasties and scouts quietly?
spark wolf
spear makes it pretty easy because you get to use the range
can hit giant strikers without being in their melee range
can hit scouts without having to get too close
earnest junco
Whats the best primary for starters?
steel valley
pistol for semi auto and ar for full auto imo
earnest junco
is there any good way to reduce lag?
steel valley
get better internet?
vital sierra
get nasa internet
spark wolf
game got significantly worse with latency since one of the recent patches
they are hopefully working on it
rigid sinew
other than those arguably useless network optimization reg keys, likely not
maybe connecting to your router through ethernet can help if you have packet loss/jitter issues on your local network
spark wolf
all you can really do yourself is just playing on stable connection and playing with people that live close to you
analog oyster
Whats the best primary for starters?
any default weapon is great
spark wolf
sawed off 😂 😂
unkempt ridge
Anyone have strats for taking out big beasties and scouts quietly?
the spear is the easiest to take out scouts, they are good training wheels to learn to deal with them
unkempt ridge
Whats the best primary for starters?
the one you're the most comfy with
drop in A1 and try them all
faint hawk
is it normal for your screen to randomly get a large blackspot and have bug-like vision?
fierce oracle
Normal? No. Is it a common bug? Yes.
distant ice
Hammer has been nerfed, so it's harder, it was even easier before.
Back damage counts towards limb destruction and stagger in general has become much easier
minor fractal
Back damage counts towards limb destruction and stagger in general has become mu...
Yeah, but the damage was the main factor for multi-kills.
spark wolf
and its harder for active combat cuz u can't go through them to get to the back easily
or u can but u know
slowly
distant ice
Yeah, but the damage was the main factor for multi-kills.
I'd guess if you fuck it up it might be easier to recover since staggers everywhere
distant ice
Also for the straight through part i never did that anyway
Habits from other games maybe
quaint gulch
guys a small (maybe stupid) question about melee resistance boosters: does tongue attacks counts as melee attacks as well. or only melee swipes damage will be reduced by the booster?
weary mesa
all tongues attacks count as melee
verbal solar
Oh, for real? I thought those were completely useless save for rare instances when giants/hybrids smack you.
verbal solar
That is true. I just assumed it didn't count as it wasn't a true "melee", but I'm glad to know it does.
bright haven
So in C3
There's getting bulkhead key, going through the normal bulkhead door, getting to a door that only opens at 20 minute mark - after this it seems you reach a dead end, am I just simply missing something.
weary mesa
You’re going straight forwards I’m assuming
noble sierra
For main, the next door only opens at 14 minute mark.
bright haven
yeah we get to this room which has a higher point out of fog, but yeah its just as if its a fight till the end there
weary mesa
Is that the zone with the bulkhead key or the one before it
Wish I had the zone numbers memorized
bright haven
there is a 2nd bulkhead key there it seems yes
but I assume you dont need to go through it as normally you well, do 1 bulkhead door
weary mesa
You’re going too far for main
noble sierra
That's Z174, you don't need to do that if you're only doing main.
weary mesa
Well it’s fine there’s resource in it too
bright haven
So where are we meant to go, or is it just wait it out
noble sierra
Wait until 14 minute mark, one door will unlock.
weary mesa
There’s a door on the right
The first door on the right as you go to the security door to the bulkhead key
That leads to a Checkpoint door
That the door dh is talking about that unlocks at 14 mins
bright haven
Alright ill take a look about and see if I can find the missing door
safe musk
tips to beating d3?
ruby wasp
objective(s) ?
safe musk
objectives
ruby wasp
?????????????
safe musk
shadow scout
craggy pier
D3 
inland vault
What's a good level to test your aim with sniper?
safe musk
Overload ? Extreme ? PE ?
All the above
inland vault
giant type enemies specifically
safe musk
I beated C3 in the hardest difficulty with my homies
Nothing is too hard when there's fun in the level
noble sierra
D3 probably good to train your sniper.
ruby wasp
leave the guys who're gonna get the last code with a scattergun
1 bio should be enough but 2 bios can be used as well
noble sierra
Tank room, reactor waves, stealth using snipers...etc.
ruby wasp
Don't spend too much time looting as D3 overload increases fog over time
for extreme don't waste your time & trigger all the rooms that don't have scouts
unkempt ridge
Overload ? Extreme ? PE ?
"Extreme"
craggy pier
What's a good level to test your aim with sniper?
D3 lol
ruby wasp
faster to write extreme than secondary
unkempt ridge
it's not how it's called anymore
ruby wasp
😳
unkempt ridge
😳
unkempt ridge
UwU
ruby wasp
okey
unkempt ridge
fanta my beloved uh.... femboy lover ?
safe musk
Metamorphosis
weary mesa
safe musk
<:ConfusedUlf:621817514267246592>
unkempt ridge
craggy pier
fanta my beloved uh.... femboy lover ?
yes
mossy aurora
shadow scout
either practice hammering them, snipe them by aiming 1.5 doritos above the original dorito, or scatter gun
mossy aurora
you asked for tips but you know those?
mossy aurora
😵💫
stoic breach
Shadow Scouts axtually removing my ability to kill regular scouts
topaz anvil
Shadow Scouts axtually removing my ability to kill regular scouts
It's a phase, you'll get used to it
stoic breach
True. Its probably why im 8-48
topaz anvil
If I have to, I resort to point blank shots
so it doesn't matter how bad I am at hammering
stoic breach
True. You beat deep nest yet?
stoic breach
But you do have resolve tho
latent obsidian
deep nest? 🤔
topaz anvil
I am going to cancel your subscription to life
topaz anvil
I see you have neither. #RippermachineCyberpunk2077StoleMyMoney
I don't have a squad with the mental fortitude for it
We've all been driven to madness
stoic breach
Dang... and we aint even in the Darkest Dungeon discord
I understand tho. Thats what Orang does to a man.
topaz anvil
deep nest? 🤔
nesting deeply
topaz anvil
I understand tho. Thats what Orang does to a man.
Go get orang
stoic breach
@unreal abyss are u awake
unreal abyss
its win/loss in pub games
do be out here struggling in pubs
topaz anvil
are the numbers your scout Kill/Fails
stoic breach
<#416907777513095170> smh my head
X3 nuzzles, pounces on you, you so warm.
topaz anvil
ah
latent obsidian
Do you call wiping at a checkpoint a loss?
topaz anvil
Not even a 2.0 win rate
stoic breach
its win/loss in pub games
do be out here struggling in pubs
Getting beat i see
stoic breach
Do you call wiping at a checkpoint a loss?
I do
unreal abyss
im so close
I add a loss depending on how we wiped for checkpoints
I troll a lot so i cant just count my average trolls as a loss
wait this isnt lfg, i can just type another message
stoic breach
lays in bed then says why cant I aim
unreal abyss
I dont say why cant i aim
i say i cant aim
and then blame you for there being enemies still
stoic breach
gets COD reloaded -48HP
topaz anvil
rely on bots
unreal abyss
rely on bots
I am, his name is @stoic breach
stoic breach
The daily can suck my nuts
topaz anvil
It's only D2
tacit zealot
p1 knife
stoic breach
D2 is a scary placr
topaz anvil
foam the guzzlers
tacit zealot
not enough fom
topaz anvil
I dont think u can foam guzzlers
Thats why they are called guzzlers 
stoic breach
My foam just goes through them
tacit zealot
😳
stoic breach
O
tacit zealot
🤨 📸
unreal abyss
ima have to pray tonight now
stoic breach
topaz anvil
what, all I'm saying is they eat all the foam and are fine ;c
tacit zealot
yeah alright.. flyer fucker...
topaz anvil
sus
covert apex
*X3 nuzzles, pounces on you, you so warm.*
nyyyyyaaaaaaaaa
topaz anvil
they do have mouths
unreal abyss
they do?
topaz anvil
ye
unreal abyss
bro i been looking at the wrong spot
topaz anvil
It's just hard to spot because they move around so much
unreal abyss
*nyyyyyaaaaaaaaa*
surely you wanna do duo b1s so i can pretend im better then sleepy
stoic breach
Considering Im immensely slower than Kaneki, yes.
topaz anvil
Kaneki can barely move 😳
unreal abyss
ya but my backpack isnt big enough for sleepy
unreal abyss
umm what part?
safe musk
who's Kaneki
topaz anvil
@covert apex
safe musk
CHAOS CHAOS
stoic breach
Slep
topaz anvil
isn't it like 3am for you
ruby wasp
11:30 a.m gang
topaz anvil
10:30am game ;w;
topaz anvil
English
unreal abyss
8:34pm gamerer
ruby wasp
Bri'ish ?
topaz anvil
wo'er
latent obsidian
wortuh
tacit zealot
LFG A2 SECONDARY
topaz anvil
LFG A2 SECONDARY
lfg a2 pe (know what moms are)
tacit zealot
unreal abyss
Yo i still need my A2 pe clear, ive seen my mom once in the last month so i should be good
tacit zealot
wat
stoic breach
Well if you aren't sleeping you could always help me <:flooshed:7689844480577372...
Im currently conserving energy for the upcoming like 5 hours of work meetings and training I have today
tacit zealot
sorry cant play gtfo mom said later
topaz anvil
Im currently conserving energy for the upcoming like 5 hours of work meetings an...
a shame
unreal abyss
Im currently conserving energy for the upcoming like 5 hours of work meetings an...
because you work SOO hard 😕
stoic breach
Resolve
unreal abyss
Resolve?
stoic breach
Deep Nest and Resolve, and yes.
Anyways gonna go throw away 2 hours of sleep and pray the espresso I buy in 3 hours actually kicks in properly
unreal abyss
have fun ❤️
stoic breach
topaz anvil
Resolve ;wl
covert apex
surely you wanna do duo b1s so i can pretend im better then sleepy
nyyyyaaaaaaa
covert apex
<@!593407017478258720>
topaz anvil
safe musk
So do you guys agree that the pacifist no damage challenge is impossible?
unreal abyss
lmao
safe musk
there's a kid who says it's possible yet nobody complete it
tacit zealot
not humanely possible
safe musk
There was a dude who doesn't understand what I'm saying
tacit zealot
especially c2/d4
safe musk
exactly
he says he knows every level
and he says there's levels that don't require 100% resistance
but what I'm saying is
there are some levels where you do get hit
tacit zealot
i mean its within the boundaries of the game
most A levels pre 6 you could probably do hitless daamageless
unreal abyss
i said if he was looking at the message that unlike R5 E1 you dont need to have 4 players with 100% inf resist to not take damage
safe musk
that's what I'm saying
safe musk
we could do the easier levels and do pacifist and hitless
unreal abyss
no inf isnt ok
safe musk
but the hardest levels where we can't do it
unreal abyss
any damage is a loss
tacit zealot
zamn
unreal abyss
ikr, makes it exciting
safe musk
the dude said "would you rather win and not have fun or lose to have fun"
I lost to c3 many times and had fun and in the end it was worth it
I learn from my own mistakes
I had fun and beated c3
so he was way wrong
then he started bringing statements out of nowhere "d4 is impossible with knife"
analog oyster
the dude said "would you rather win and not have fun or lose to have fun"
why would anyone prefer not having fun????
This is a game
topaz anvil
Winning is fun sometimes
unreal abyss
why would anyone prefer not having fun????
he wasnt really reading my messages, he picked and chose like 1 or two
latent obsidian
Might not be fun for some people to get ordered around on C3 and get carried
Not sure if thats what that guy was talking about
unreal abyss
and responded to them negatively
safe musk
but he said "would you rather win not having fun"
instead of "would u rather win having fun"
plus all I'm stating is my opinion about the challenge
nothing wrong about that
topaz anvil
Might not be fun for some people to get ordered around on C3 and get carried
If the order is: forget about them and run then I think it's a fair order
safe musk
Might not be fun for some people to get ordered around on C3 and get carried
not it isn't
unreal abyss
yes but you were also saying my opinion about the challenge is wrong, which isnt ok
safe musk
but your perspective is different than mine
The stress and frustrating due to it being hard sometimes
where you have to listen and get carried
but the relief at the end
unreal abyss
im not saying you cant disagree, im saying that saying that someones opinion is just wrong is not ok
safe musk
I had fun
this dude is now saying someone's opinion is wrong which is a opinion
stating the fact that another opinion is wrong
congrats you played youself
topaz anvil
This is off topic now
unreal abyss
Hes in his own world where no one else has a chance of winning, i was just out here looking for a team and i got flamed
latent obsidian
My opinion is that C3 is fun but I had more fun playing it with a group blind and failing first than getting told where to go first time
topaz anvil
Hes in his own world where no one else has a chance of winning, i was just out h...
This is why you should play dn
safe musk
My opinion in C3 is that the frustration and the adrenaline of the level makes it competitive. Following exact orders but in the end it was worth it. Carried or not all that matters is if we won and had fun
and we did
so if people giving orders to me I don't really care
I do what I have to do
latent obsidian
Where did this discussion start? I'm confused on how you guys are disagreeing or what the issue is
safe musk
The no hit and pacifist challenge
is a troll challenge
and the person disagree
so i disagree back
then the person says its wrong to disagree back as they are disagreeing back
which is stupid
and they started saying im making a loop when they are making a loop
latent obsidian
I think your disagreement maybe looked more like stating they are wrong than you offering your opinion
unreal abyss
Where did this discussion start? I'm confused on how you guys are disagreeing or...
Look in LFG NA, i was looking for a team and i just got flamed...
safe musk
no
latent obsidian
But anyway I'd agree that its a troll challenge
safe musk
I'm not laying facts
I'm just laying my perspective
it could be a opinion saying that it's a troll challenge
because if it was a fact then everyone would agree on it
latent obsidian
idk maybe the messages got deleted but I don't see anything notable there
finite plinth
technically possible if you do the cfoam thing
latent obsidian
good luck finding a team for that in lfg if you were actually gonna try though
If hypothetically you were gonna do that its a day long commitment
safe musk
if I was flaming you and you were doing the exact same thing to make a loop
wouldn't that mean you were flaming me?
but still I wasn't flaming you
you got the wrong idea
unreal abyss
idk maybe the messages got deleted but I don't see anything notable there
Jevil deleted all his messages because he dosnt want people reading it and making up their own mind
safe musk
Jevil deleted all his messages because he dosnt want people reading it and makin...
No
oh my god this kid
how dumb are you
you just said we'd get in trouble chating in the lfg channel
so I deleted it
plus it could be any reason of me deleting it
you didn't delete yours so im reporting mod
latent obsidian
guys lets just move on maybe
finite plinth
seethe
topaz anvil
Jevil chill the fuck out
safe musk
I like how all of this could be avoided
if the dude said it was a joke
but he was serious
and he got mad at me for saying it's a troll challenge
latent obsidian
Well if someone wants to try the challenge seriously then they can try
finite plinth
text based sarcasm be like
safe musk
Sure let them try
but it's not wrong to say it's a troll challenge do
he even said it himself
"he's in his own world"
so what's wrong for me to assume it's a troll challenge?
any takers?
latent obsidian
Has anyone tried mass cfoam for the final scan on D1? Did it yesterday and it seemed good
safe musk
No
topaz anvil
Has anyone tried mass cfoam for the final scan on D1? Did it yesterday and it se...
Not much to cfoam tbh
safe musk
but interesting idea
finite plinth
the floor
latent obsidian
Just go do the scans, cfoam behind you and never bother clearing them, just go through to the end when you're done
apart from on the first scan
unreal abyss
50 sniper shots, not sure about % that is
noble sierra
ten sniper shots per tumor, effective hp 800
safe musk
2k hp
2k+ possibly
Dam the first time I played D1 and gotten to the boss part surprises me
I had suspicions on why we get so much loot
tacit zealot
how many tumors is it to kill
topaz anvil
5
tacit zealot
what dh mean by effective hp
finite plinth
sniper dmg 40 bruhe
tacit zealot
80 dmg per snip shot... x10 shots...x5 tumor = 4k hp?
finite plinth
brother it ain't 40
safe musk
it's 69
noble sierra
What I mean of effective hp is, the enemy also has its weakspot damage multiplier I ignore.
tacit zealot
kk
latent obsidian
brother it ain't 40
what is it then?
tacit zealot
grow up bro
finite plinth
latent obsidian
so are you being arsey over 0.01 damage or am I reading this wrong?
safe musk
i search wik
latent obsidian
I was getting my numbers from the spreadsheet before
safe musk
finite plinth
.01 matters a lot bro
latent obsidian
yeah?
tacit zealot
is to avoid enemy stay at 0 health
safe musk
40.01 x 20 = 800.2
800 hp worth of damage
20 shots
but since the weak spots hits
let me
Weapon type
Special
Firemode
Semi-Automatic
Max ammo
18 rounds (including magazine)
Magazine size
3 rounds
Damage
Very High (40.01)
Precision Multi
2.0025x
Stagger Multi
1x
Rate of fire
Very Low (120 RPM)
Reload time
Very Long (3.5s)
Range
Very long (60 meters)
The only way to find out
is to actually use all the snipers mags
20 clips at the weak spot
possible do 2x the damage
if it has 5 tumors and each tumor had 800 hp
tacit zealot
wrong
safe musk
wat
so
explain?
each tumor hp
cause in the wiki there's no hp for this d1 boss
or anything about the boss
tacit zealot
Lmao
desert falcon
?
topaz anvil
I wonder why
tacit zealot
facts
desert falcon
we are talking about the big clam right?
latent obsidian
The wiki says 6000hp total
tacit zealot
nah bro
he said theres nothing in the wiki about the boss
just gotta accept the truth 😔
desert falcon
tacit zealot
sorry that doesnt exist now ig
desert falcon
damn wiki ppl 
safe musk
Visible Confusion
distant ice
I would call it neither
desert falcon
I mean thats not an official name anyway ^^
tacit zealot
squidward
latent obsidian
does kinda look like a clam though tbh
tacit zealot
spongebob?
the chinese wiki calls it the norwegian sea monster
if you are inclined
fleet vessel
the chinese wiki calls it the norwegian sea monster
I mean, the (not-lore) logs call it "SquidBoss"
and I'm inclined to agree with that assessment
tacit zealot
its called squidward in d*tablocks
fleet vessel
it's a giant floating jumbo squid with a few flailing tentacles and it's upper end open, with tentacles inside
and it can shoot apparently
so kraken/squidboss/squidward feel correct
fleet vessel
its called squidward in d*tablocks
plausible
finite plinth
call it 50 sniper shot boss
safe musk
so kraken/squidboss/squidward feel correct
squidward
fleet vessel
Line 9310 - 21:17:38.436 - Enter State: Enemies.EB_SquidBoss_Hibernating
When I was looking at the logs after playing D1
SquidBoss there
Squidward in Datablock
Kraken by community
doesn't really matter which name we use
safe musk
Squidward in Datablock
tacit zealot
fps drop boss
fleet vessel
accurate
noble sierra
Tank/father, birther/mother. The community can have their own name.
safe musk
squidward is the best
spark wolf
walter
fleet vessel
walter
left crystal
foam launcher feels worthless
distant ice
Most things are useless if you don't know how to use them
craggy pier
foam launcher feels worthless
guns are useless if you can't aim them
left crystal
first off fuck you both
craggy pier
please do, I'm lonely
latent obsidian
foam launcher feels worthless
best use case for it is when setting up for an alarm spray it on a door to reinforce it and put a mine on the inside of the door frame. Almost everything will die when it breaks through the door
left crystal
yeah about the only use i have found for it, its floor coverage is not even worth using
latent obsidian
You can reinforce it during the alarm as enemies wear the door down too so with some cfoam and a mine you needn't fire a single bullet
finite plinth
damn bro why you gotta be so mad
fleet vessel
okay so
spark wolf
it's literally so good for everything
tardy ingot
yeah about the only use i have found for it, its floor coverage is not even wort...
litteraly what stormpooper said
left crystal
it was far better in EA
finite plinth
reading is hard bro
spark wolf
lol
fleet vessel
foam:
Reinforces doors, can be used to perma-foam alarm doors.
can actually foam spitters temporarily, apparently, albeit nearly no one uses that and I've not confirmed it myself yet.
Foaming the floor very much helps during alarms, as enemy collision is a thing and a few of them getting stuck takes a lot of pressure away.
If necessary you can foam scouts. This is incredibly helpful against ||charger scouts||
You can probably try to foam elite enemies too, but this is much more difficult and a cfoam nade/mine is better for this purpose.
spark wolf
it only got buffed
finite plinth
what change did it had lmao
craggy pier
how many shots to foam scout
finite plinth
there's the visual change, what else
latent obsidian
In my experience 4 for normal scouts
finite plinth
3 if you're cool
spark wolf
fixes
finite plinth
4 if you're kinda cool
fleet vessel
also keep in mind that sometimes, if you do one blob at a time, the blobs despawn for no reason
spark wolf
its less likely to go through the floor than it originally would
fleet vessel
for me at least
finite plinth
anything more than that, you're uncool
spark wolf
cfoam on floor got way better at some point
tardy ingot
cfoam going through a door back in r4 for some reason was fun :^ )
spark wolf
the fix with stagger bug from foam was also huge
would be epic if they fixed more things that actually matter 
hybrid laurel
For the 'rundown sectors cleared' On a level like C3 that has the Normal, Hard, Overload difficulties.. It has the 4th number too.. Is that just for completing it all together in one run? And im guessing thats more of a flex as it doesnt seem to have any apparel tied to it?
halcyon sleet
For the 'rundown sectors cleared' On a level like C3 that has the Normal, Hard, ...
Doing all that in one run
Prisoner Efficiency is doing main secondary and overload in the same run
tardy ingot
well its a „flex“ rn