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#gtfo-related-questions
ruby wasp
Sentries when escaping a surge
yeehaw
The "why is a door breaking in front of me" incident
fleet vessel
how many charged hits with a knife does a giant take and how many hits can you reasonably get in if you use the IIX syringe with a knife on a sleeping giant?
Considering your first hit against occiput against a giant will stagger even without the syringe, would it be possible to syringe-stealthkill a giant by just stabbing the occiput --> arms/legs
desert falcon
you can one shot giants with a syringe
fleet vessel
knife.
desert falcon
yup
fleet vessel
damn
solid spear
Ye
desert falcon
if they are sleeping
fleet vessel
the sleeping multiplier, I reckon?
yeah.
okay, makes sense.
very good to know.
thank you
solid spear
Its a madness when I'm breaking ankles around em
desert falcon
👍
vital sierra
the sleeping multiplier, I reckon?
i think this is why knife kill scout
fleet vessel
scouts don't sleep
vital sierra
scouts don't sleep
it counted as sleep
solid spear
i think this is why knife kill scout
Yes
vital sierra
well, all they have to do is, remove the scout from the multiplier
blacklist it if they wanted to fix
solid spear
craggy pier
Wait
craggy pier
Somnambulism buddy
How do they know you're even here. If you stay perfectly still they shouldn't know you're here
If you move alright but if you don't move they shouldn't know
solid spear
Sound
solid spear
Every notice if you walk they will instantly deploy their feelers
solid spear
You don't move
They still do it because its in there hunting technique id assume
Scouts are like blind enemies
Uses sound to deploy feelers and if it doesn't feel anything it will move on to the next location in the room
craggy pier
Yes but that doesn't make sense to me
finite plinth
scouts don't count as sleeping
craggy pier
How do they know you're here if you don't move when they touch you and don't make a sound
Any other thing such as a chair would trigger it too otherwise
finite plinth
cuz it's a game
warm yew
Realism doesn't necessarily mean good gameplay
solid spear
True
solid spear
Okay we get it
floral acorn
np cannibal corpse - hammer smashed scoutface
ruby wasp
How do they know you're even here. If you stay perfectly still they shouldn't kn...
Because people who fall under somnambulism still knows how to move
And can figure out people's locations
ruby wasp
If you move alright but if you don't move they shouldn't know
The same reason why sleepers start waking up whenever you enter into their room
faint flame
can somone explain pathing?
https://imgur.com/a/79ra5SR
b1 pathing After finishing first door
floral acorn
might be a static setup for that level, back in r5c2 in the same tile they often went for both doors
ruby wasp
There was a similar thing in R4D2
They would ALWAYS pick the farthest door when dealing with the overload alarm
With the same asset
smoky dagger
Does the game scale based off number of players? Say 1 person only has 4 enemies in a room but if there was 4 players it could be 8. Or is it just completely random on how many will spawn?
floral acorn
nope
random, usually on the "more" side (zone cap etc)
2 rooms empty, 3rd room is packed to the brim.. usually.
smoky dagger
2 rooms empty, 3rd room is packed to the brim.. usually.
Okay I was just curious. Watching videos of people doing solo runs. There are some rooms for them with maybe 3 or 4 but when I played with friends we would have nearly 10 in the same room. Wasn't sure if it was scaling or our bad luck XD. Thanks for letting me know
floral acorn
yep some solo runs have had incredibly lucky rng spawns which then turned into videos we watch
smoky dagger
Yeah, they get ammo and medklits nearly every box. Meanwhile I get glowsticks for 9 boxes in a row
floral acorn
hah true :)
smoky mist
Lol best to ping
When u learn rooms a resource will be in that room but ammo vs meds vs tool can change
smoky dagger
Yeah, I have starrted to just list zones as I get to them and ping items for my friends to grab
floral acorn
sometimes feels like a scout seems to always be in the same room w/ key or cell or turbine, great mechanic if intentional
smoky dagger
Scouts get the hammer to the head, no mercy
ruby wasp
The scout is always alone in the cell room
stoic breach
I like to leave em alone.
ruby wasp
fren
stoic breach
Fren and I like dodging the spaghetti
smoky dagger
I kill them quickly and eat the spaghetti
shrewd dirge
Yeah, they get ammo and medklits nearly every box. Meanwhile I get glowsticks fo...
Resource counts arent random, and are set per zone. You are not in a speedrun, check with the terminals.
stoic breach
I wish speedruns could search for resources. :l gotta pray for boxes on dee way
ruby wasp
wat
stoic breach
We dont necessarily look for resources during speedruns, we pray for boxes on the way to have them
smoky mist
Maximum efficiency lol
stoic breach
Sad lifw
smoky mist
Only shoot
ruby wasp
Yes but why would you wish for speedrunners to search for resources ?
smoky mist
When u got bullets lol
ruby wasp
Since the point is to clear the level asap ?
shrewd dirge
No shoot only speed
stoic breach
Possible for B2 any
smoky mist
B2 extreme would suck lol
stoic breach
Well... i guess all of them, but itd suck ass for tine
TRUE but I was thinking of only any%
100% makes me sad
shrewd dirge
C2 ex hammers only
stoic breach
Id try a hammer only C3PE if it didnt sound so agonizing with fog
smoky dagger
Resource counts arent random, and are set per zone. You are not in a speedrun, c...
Are the uses on them random or are those set as well?
smoky mist
Set
smoky mist
There will always be X amount of resource packs said Zone and the usage will stay the same for each resource.
Yeah tru I have found a 4 use once and then 2, 2 uses before in a spawn but I was on modded so wasn’t quite sure lol
stoic breach
I think if its a 4 use, then it can split. Unsure about the 3 uses tho
shrewd dirge
Ive had 5 and 3,2
shrewd dirge
I only see 2 or less when weak zone sum
smoky mist
I seen 1s but pretty sure set 1s
stoic breach
Yeah B1, C1 have set 1 uses
fleet vessel
I know 6-use packs exist, has anyone ever seen a 7-use?
gilded glade
Hey, I was wondering, DMR has a base damage of 7.51 and a precision multiplier of 0.87 (According to the Wiki). Strikers have a damage multiplier of 3x to headshots and only 20 health. So, wouldn't it mean that you should be able to one shot strikers with regular headshots instead of one head and one body with DMR?
jaunty bear
will it kill regular strickers?
ruby wasp
No
jaunty bear
aight
ruby wasp
But it'll kill shooters
jaunty bear
understandable
gilded glade
why would the precision multiplier decrease the base damage though? Unless I just got the term for it wrong
ruby wasp
Because its value is below 1 ?
jaunty bear
math is dumb tldr
gilded glade
But why would being precise decrease you damage overall?
desert falcon
for balancing
ruby wasp
Ask the devs lol
gilded glade
Interesting
ruby wasp
Sniper had much greater precision multi compared to HEL Rifle even though they had the same stats
in the end Sniper could OS giants
HEL Rifle couldn't
jaunty bear
calle might have an answer lul
ruby wasp
Why < 1 prec. multipliers exist ? no idea
gilded glade
I guess it makes sense. You wouldn't want to change the headshot multiplier over just the DMR so you put a restriction on headshoting to make sure the damage multiplier of 3x isn't too strong
Alrighty thanks I was calculating 0.87 as 1.87 thinking multiplier was helping.
noble sierra
Because the devs want to buff some weapons body damage, so they increase the base damage but add <1 pricision multiplier.
distant ice
Why < 1 prec. multipliers exist ? no idea
cuz they put ridiculous mults as base
ruby wasp
lmao
distant ice
3x & 5x on the most common enemies are fucked up mults imo
gilded glade
I just noticed this. HEL Revolver has more base damage than DMR but because its precision bonus is 0.7413 it kind of averages out a bit :/.
floral acorn
all it has going for it is penetration, damage applied to 2 enemies atst
ruby wasp
I just noticed this. HEL Revolver has more base damage than DMR but because its ...
The same reason why HEL Revolver can't OS strikers in the head
gilded glade
Yeah
neon gust
You already penetrate with hel revo
it would be OP................again, if you let have a presicion of 1
ruby wasp
Yeah
tacit zealot
There's already a gun for that
gilded glade
Also, did you know that Sawed-Off can actually kill scouts? The more you know.
ruby wasp
you can skill scout with anything
neon gust
yep
gilded glade
Well I mean one shot
ruby wasp
That's not surprising as well
neon gust
well considering saw off its the only primary that can actually one shot to the front it s quite surprising
fleet vessel
sawed-off is basically shotgun-lite, so yes.
neon gust
dmr its back of the head twice
fleet vessel
can you kill a scout with DMR?
neon gust
back of the head
neon gust
you can 3 shot to the fron but thats pretty crazy and too much rng on it
noble sierra
One back of the head, one back
fleet vessel
^ that'd make it easier
neon gust
Same with HEL gun
thats just one back of the head
fleet vessel
HEL gun's a secondary tho
noble sierra
Hel gun can one-tap scout
gilded glade
Dang Hel Gun is super close to one shotting just straight up head. 3 damage off. With boosters it can.
ruby wasp
That's why all that multiplier bs is pointless with the introduction of boosters
floral acorn
charger scout doubletap back, alltho, learn the recoil first 🙂
neon gust
That's why all that multiplier bs is pointless with the introduction of boosters
I mean theyre optional for the people who want it/need it
it opens up a lot of versatility in playstyle
ruby wasp
it does indeed
gilded glade
it opens up a lot of versatility in playstyle
You mean full glowstick power?
If so then yes
fleet vessel
glowstick power ftw
neon gust
You mean full glowstick power?
people laugh at it, but its quite broken
tacit zealot
more glow per stick
fleet vessel
have one booster of quicker regen with glowstick power
tacit zealot
✅
fleet vessel
then throw out one really beeg™️ glowstick
fleet vessel
boom, more regen in half the room
ruby wasp
xd
mossy aurora
do glow stick required boosters even drop anymore?
fleet vessel
damage by glowstick proximity might actually be really valuable in some cases
ruby wasp
inb4 regen HP in glowstick prox
fleet vessel
if they still exist, that is
gilded glade
Waiting for them to nerf glowsticks more. Too OP rn they need to be able to wake up rooms
gilded glade
Dont worry about it
fleet vessel
at least, if you throw a glowstick against an enemy it shouldn't just phase through them and wake them up
not if you throw next to them but come on
ruby wasp
Hmm yes
mossy aurora
im pretty sure i've had a glow stick wake up something before
or maybe it was a fog repeller
fleet vessel
throw a glowstick down the giant's mouth and it's just like "zzzzzz"
tacit zealot
Inb4 negative bioscan boosta
ruby wasp
none can wake up enemies
neon gust
at least, if you throw a glowstick *against* an enemy it shouldn't just phase th...
damn that would be hella annoying
ruby wasp
Pretty sure it's your fren who woke them up
neon gust
knowing the hitboxes of this game
sharp whale
Do you guys think adding team boosters would be good idea? doesn't have to be very strong per character, just enough to have fun strats going on
fleet vessel
damn that would be hella annoying
just careful throws
fleet vessel
knowing the hitboxes of this game
ah right
mossy aurora
Pretty sure it's your fren who woke them up
ruby wasp
Do you guys think adding team boosters would be good idea? doesn't have to be ve...
uhhhhhhhh
tacit zealot
I use glowstick a lot to see enemy in dark.. waking them up would be more than infuriating
gilded glade
Do you guys think adding team boosters would be good idea? doesn't have to be ve...
Idk might be broken with whole team.
neon gust
team booster be like: regen cap team booster
ruby wasp
bioscan speed down 😳
fleet vessel
I use glowstick a lot to see enemy in dark.. waking them up would be more than i...
I mean, if you throw a glowstick next to a sleeper they should not wake up by any accounts
neon gust
not like thats wrong
fleet vessel
just, if you throw right onto their faces they should reasonably notice
sharp whale
yeah that why I said nothing too large per character, around 3 to 5%
fleet vessel
just don't throw the glowstick into nothingness and it'd not be the worst thing to happen
fleet vessel
yeah that why I said nothing too large per character, around 3 to 5%
too big
tacit zealot
Man but like how am i supposed to not throuw it through them.. if i cant see them.. thats why im thrwoing glowsticks..
fleet vessel
all 3 players just take that and wham, meta
gilded glade
just, if you throw right onto their faces they *should* reasonably notice
I feel like this would just make them pulse or yawn.
fleet vessel
Man but like how am i supposed to not throuw it through them.. if i cant see the...
ever heard of your magical button on the keyboard, the F button
to check where stuff is initially
sharp whale
ok so the group booster wouldn't do anything too meta
gilded glade
ever heard of your magical button on the keyboard, the F button
Jokes on you I put Torch on T
fleet vessel
?!
ruby wasp
based
neon gust
I mean if they put in place things to make boosters not OP like if you bring a agressive team booster it will disable the agressive slot from the entire team it would be pretty good for the balancing overall
tacit zealot
L is for Light
fleet vessel
It's a flashlight, not a torch
ruby wasp
i put it on A
tacit zealot
?
fleet vessel
reee
ruby wasp
😳
fleet vessel
?!
fleet vessel
wait, serious question tho, what buttons do y'all have for your light
I have mine on F still, but L and T could work too?
ruby wasp
A
neon gust
F
ruby wasp
inb4 "but WASD"
mossy aurora
why would you rebind if you're using wasd?
floral acorn
i've only switched crouch to G, all others standard
tacit zealot
you guys use WASD still?
ruby wasp
I'm using ZQSD
gilded glade
Im using arrow keys
ruby wasp
as i'm using an AZERTY keyboard
neon gust
I use tab capslock and shift
ruby wasp
therefore Q is replaced by A
gilded glade
I use side mouse buttons to move
ruby wasp
A is replaced by Q
mossy aurora
also why would you use L for flashlight?
tacit zealot
L is for light
gilded glade
also why would you use L for flashlight?
Light stick
mossy aurora
yeah but its on the other side of the keyboard
gilded glade
100%
tacit zealot
H is for hammer
gilded glade
So you don't accidentally press it
tacit zealot
It's easier to remember that way
tacit zealot
Aim with A, shoot with S
gilded glade
Naw with G
ruby wasp
Mega based
gilded glade
G stands for gun
fleet vessel
how the fuck do you aim with A
tacit zealot
I press it ?
fleet vessel
I press it ?
ah, you meant aim down the scope.
gilded glade
G + 2
fleet vessel
I was like... "how do you move your view to aim on enemies with a button??"
tacit zealot
I don't think anything can replace the mouse lol
fleet vessel
steering wheel
gilded glade
Honestly mouse buttons are so good.
fleet vessel
I want to see a full team of steering wheel players do hotbox% on D1
gilded glade
Press and pull
sharp whale
y'all trash, I play with the Tony Hawk skateboard
vocal cliff
Anyone know if/when R6 will be extended?
gilded glade
Anyone know if/when R6 will be extended?
I don't think anyone knows
ruby wasp
No one knows but there is a good chance to see an extended ver
vocal cliff
yeah, I couldn't find any announcements, so that's what I figured. About a month is my guess also.
thanks guys
sharp whale
Do you guys think we'll have another primary appearing in the game? I mean completely new not from a previous rundown
fleet vessel
at some point, probably
gilded glade
Do you guys think we'll have another primary appearing in the game? I mean compl...
It is a possibility since they just full released it. They might be planning on bringing to new stuff into it now that it has the lable of a full release
fleet vessel
not anytime soon 
ruby wasp
Do you guys think we'll have another primary appearing in the game? I mean compl...
Naturally lol
Scattergun is a brand new weapon
Nothing prevents them from making new ones
fleet vessel
BuT sCaTtErGuN iS a SeCoNdArY, nOt A pRiMaRy
yeah, in the long run I'd be hella surprised if we don't get new primaries and secondaries
fleet vessel
not anytime soon - we'll probably have an ext for R6 before R7, but eventually it's pretty much a "definitely"
steel valley
hel revo / sawed off respectively
sharp whale
but they'll need to fill a niche or something right?
I feel we are a bit bloated at this point
steel valley
there are a few niches that can still be filled imo
not that they need to be
we don't have a real dedicated stagger weapon for example
tardy ingot
for primaries? not rly no? What different nieches do burst/carbone have
neon gust
autopistol
tardy ingot
well we had the autopistol 
steel valley
wheres my autopistol :(
neon gust
that actually changes how we play
tardy ingot
Change machine pistol for autopistol
neon gust
instead of our usual setup that we already had
rigid sinew
there are a few niches that can still be filled imo
we need an hrf smg with ass recoil but low ttk
time to become CoD
neon gust
AUTO sentry change the game for the better but goddam i want something new please
a tool for stealth
tardy ingot
wed need a new environmental/gameplay challenge for a new tool to be really worth it
neon gust
maybe a bubble of sound barrier
rigid sinew
mapper tool 
neon gust
and thats quoting simon
fleet vessel
what about
old primaries be gone and alternatives that are slightly different come into play
there ya go, new weapons
no need to just add onto the current loadout and fill niches
steel valley
which is the rundown system's intent lol
sharp whale
we need an hrf smg with ass recoil but low ttk
time to become CoD
I was thinking something similar, but we already have a lot of smg type weapons, autopistol, machine pistol, carbine, smg, hsmg
fleet vessel
which is the rundown system's intent lol
^^
neon gust
rfles too
rigid sinew
derp
tardy ingot
Id honestly like another non automatic weapon like the pistol/hel revolver
neon gust
non pen primary revolve5r
ruby wasp
Akimbo pistols 😳
neon gust
nicvhe
rigid sinew
I just want to see how gimmick weapons get added being either OP cause their gimmick is very applicable or trash 'cause they balanced them hard to compensate for that specific gimmick
cock mode shotgun
steel valley
lever action rifle plz
neon gust
chokemod shoulda been a slug shotgun change my mind
steel valley
makes no sense but would be fun
rigid sinew
inb4 the add a 🅱️ow
ruby wasp
M1 Garand por favor
neon gust
M1 Garand por favor
porfavor!
sharp whale
My guess is that they could go with more sci-fi type of weapons, or perhaps go like dead space and the prisoner use actual tools, like a nail guns and shit
neon gust
lever action rifle plz
sexy
fleet vessel
inb4 the add a 🅱️ow
🅱️ow
neon gust
I want a lever action rifle too
rigid sinew
M1 Garand por favor
dmr
neon gust
theyre always been satisfying in games
tardy ingot
Maybe a primary with tracer rounds?
ruby wasp
Bullpup revolver xd
neon gust
dmr <:SantonianWhatElse:813148031867158548>
no ping sound
rigid sinew
:sadge:
ruby wasp
Maybe a primary with tracer rounds?
ok LOK-1 from deep rock galactic
rigid sinew
pink tracers 🤮
night rock
What’s the best primary tho?
ruby wasp
rocket launcher 😳
sharp whale
chokemod shoulda been a slug shotgun change my mind
I feel it would be an inferior version of the helgun
ruby wasp
What’s the best primary tho?
hammer
fleet vessel
What’s the best primary tho?
there arguably isn't one
steel valley
honestly a slug as a precision alternate to the sawed off in the primary slot would be pretty fun
neon gust
I feel it would be an inferior version of the helgun
????
rigid sinew
rocket jumping around the complex
like a boss
neon gust
brother helgun its own category
night rock
there arguably isn't one
No like, your opinion
steel valley
hel revo
ruby wasp
use rockets to yeet sec doors
neon gust
theyre overbuffed them
fleet vessel
there arguably isn't one
neon gust
i like the r3 version of hel weaponry
night rock
Or I guess, what’s your favorite primary then
neon gust
it felt nice and they where balance
rigid sinew
by overall stats, probably the DMR or pistol I guess
fleet vessel
I can use any primary but the carbine effectively, albeit the sawed-off is very situational and a solo-nightmare
sharp whale
brother helgun its own category
it's already a slug shotgun that goes thru enemies
ruby wasp
it doesn't (choke mod)
rigid sinew
including skill issue, the bullpoop rifle
fleet vessel
fav primary is defo DMR tho
tardy ingot
r4 hel revo was ridicolus
night rock
I can use any primary but the carbine effectively, albeit the sawed-off is very ...
Sawed off lmao
fleet vessel
sawed-off works incredibly well honestly, if you have a team
ruby wasp
disgusting
night rock
Yeah, but solo your ass is grass with the sawed off
rigid sinew
I'm convinced the choke mod is only there to doom quickswitch
neon gust
hegun dont have a 1.2 precision
you can 3 shot a giant
now chokemod its caca and only slightly worth it while flanking
fleet vessel
Yeah, but solo your ass is grass with the sawed off
hence a solo-nightmare
neon gust
having a long range pump with half the ammo its dumb
rigid sinew
now chokemod its caca and only slightly worth it while flanking
yes, but funny gaming
neon gust
and thats adding to the head bug
with shotguns
making it a slug will make it more competitive
sharp whale
I mean we could get a slug shotty but I feel it would only be a slightly more damaging helgun without the ability to go thru enemies
rigid sinew
#giveusthesegsmodshotgun
neon gust
increase its pres to 1.5 and give it 6 bullets
total in mag
so its 2 giants per kill and 3 big shooters
rigid sinew
but yeah, I wish they would at min fix the shotgun headshot 'bug'
neon gust
more versatile than sniper but doesnt remove snipers purpose
sharp whale
I would like something like a nail or flechette gun, high damage, semi-fast fire rate, low range, around 20 mag
steel valley
i wonder if they're ever going to do weapon customization or not
smoky dagger
i wonder if they're ever going to do weapon customization or not
Tarkov?
neon gust
"frankestein weapons"
steel valley
i remember :(
neon gust
i gave up on them already
smoky dagger
I want 8 scopes
neon gust
once they add those its gonna throw all the balance
neon gust
makes no sense for them to actually add a "create you own weapon" type shit
better to just cycle them out
night rock
more versatile than sniper but doesnt remove snipers purpose
Honestly tho, Sniper, as it currently stands, is useful for the big guy one shots and scout one taps, but a shotgun would have less range but be more useful against small enemies during the alarms
steel valley
i just liked the way they described the tool customization with the system
sharp whale
how about a teleport granade? chucks enemies somewhere for like 15 seconds and then they come back
smoky dagger
Honestly tho, Sniper, as it currently stands, is useful for the big guy one shot...
Hit a scout with a hammer while yelling BONK
steel valley
making custom sentries out of any gun/tool in the game sounds fun
fleet vessel
how does enemy pathing work in B1 first door alarm
as pathing does usually, albeit that one has a funny one
If you keep one of the doors open and close the other one, they'll always go around instead of breaking the door
so if you keep one of the internal 2 doors open, all enemies will funnel there
faint flame
humm
fleet vessel
from my experience due to many many failed solo attempts with different weapon loadouts
rigid sinew
i'm looking forward to it
I second on this
I don't think allowing iron sights and less recoil in a DMR is the way to go lol
Only way I would see attachments working would be by having heavy penalization for the perks X attachment gives
fleet vessel
I use that scandoor to figure out what loadouts I like xD
faint flame
I had a very scuffed run that broke all my expectation
neon gust
once they break the first doors at random, they will to the small door on the left of your alarm room
faint flame
taking the most stupid pathing I ever seen
neon gust
assuming all doors are close
faint flame
really?
faint flame
steel valley
sometimes they will just go right for no reason whatsoever even if double left is open lol
faint flame
this was how the first alarm went all door closed
faint flame
why did they go around to the left
steel valley
it's a small door
neon gust
small door
faint flame
when right was clearly faster
faint flame
wait what do you mean
rigid sinew
I think they just choose the door that is closes to the player's location
I've had it in C1 V class alarm where they just take the lower door instead of the stairs
faint flame
both doors were C-Foamed
rigid sinew
probably not doe
night rock
Yeah, small doors break quicker, so the ai recognizes that as the fastest path
neon gust
cfoam dont count
steel valley
small doors have just over half hp of big doors ignoring foam
and the ai doesn't calculate for foam
neon gust
they dont count cfoam in deciding pathing
rigid sinew
jank mechanics smh my head...give more
faint flame
once they break the first doors at random, they will to the small door on the le...
so your saying they prefer to go though the top door then the bottom door at all costs
ahhh
night rock
Yeah, the C-Foam isn’t registered by their ai. If it were, they’d just run around C-Foam on the floor, making it useless except for sealing doors.
fleet vessel
interestingly, I've had entire waves of sleepers including giant(s) funnel through that small door --> I ran up a retreating battle and went through the big door --> I closed it --> Literally every sleeper, small and big, far away and closeby, ran all the way around
neon gust
out of all the theree doors outside depending on where they spawn, they will break it at random
after that if the two doors on your alarm room are close they will go to the small door
fleet vessel
^
neon gust
small door
faint flame
your in*
sharp whale
you guys know what we need? electricity based weapons/tools
neon gust
they will always come through the small door
fleet vessel
well, they'll break whatever door is closest to them when they spawn in the initial room
then they'll always go for the small door, unless the small door is closed and the big one open
neon gust
fight like hell
fleet vessel
basically, that
fleet vessel
pathing can be used to funnel, but isn't the biggest thing
shoot everything that moves (please don't shoot your teammates tho)
keep in mind that, with any non-surge alarm, you can fight a retreating battle instead of trying to hold a position that's being overrun, and when the enemies are dead you can push back up
fleet vessel
But why shoot when you can Bonk?
in absolute swarms, bonking is possible but not really recommended unless you have multiple peeps bonking, and even then all of you need to be good or you'll get hit
fleet vessel
giants do be spawning at times
I've had double or even triple-giant waves for something as small as a cluster scan, having 1-2 giants in a surge really isn't surprising
they do take up 2 of the spawncount, afaik
so if a surge spawns up to cap, it'll spawn 2 less sleepers for every giant
night rock
I thought it was 3, but idk
fleet vessel
I've had double giant in a diminished alarm once
night rock
I’m pretty sure I’ve had double giants several times on regular class 3-5 alarm doors, but I always run sniper so it’s rarely an issue.
fleet vessel
^
double giants on regular waves isn't all that rare tbh
double giants in a diminished is a bit more rare, and in a surge I'd basically always expect 1-3 giants
just bc of how many sleepers will be in that
night rock
Yeah, surge will have a few giants basically every time
finite plinth
when you got triple giants during solo kiting
i hate fighting mom solo for 20th time
night rock
when you got triple giants during solo kiting
“This is fine”
finite plinth
at least i can handle mom alone now
night rock
She hasn’t even pulled out the sandal yet, don’t be too confident
willow cave
Sniper is basically the fifth tool in the squad for all the utility it brings.
night rock
Yeah, it’s honestly essential imo. Unless you have a squad of aimers I guess.
granite blade
does anyone know if there is a way to make the bots stick to you or make them stay at 1 spot. I have to fight with them to stop them from clipping through a door Im going back to shut. Its really annoying
warm yew
In comms Q>Teamwork>On me comms
granite blade
thanks ill try that, thought that was the default if youre the only real player but guess not
that worked for 30s until one went off to explore a box and go outside of the room I wanted to seal off...
floral acorn
just run a distance away from it, itll join back.. if not an option then derespawn is always option 2..
alltho during c3 it can get dicey trying to do that
lilac fulcrum
that worked for 30s until one went off to explore a box and go outside of the ro...
that's fine, the bot will just phase through the closed door to you anyways.
lilac fulcrum
In comms Q>Teamwork>On me comms
"on me" or "follow me" is to tell the bot to follow you, not to stay put.
neon gust
Can you lower the distribution % so it doesnt waste resources
lilac fulcrum
having a "stay put" would probably be worse. We had a command that accidentally caused them to stay put but I didn't realize it at the time, then I started a bioscan, and the bot was just stuck, and there was no way to cause it to come to me. it wasn't stuck because closed door, it was just stuck because the command made it stay put. so i can imagine many more situations where someone forgets to tell them to follow again and leading to more frustration
neon gust
You guys did an excellent job with bots this patch but they still lack some basic survivability when it comes to bosses
tank its a great example of that
lilac fulcrum
Can you lower the distribution % so it doesnt waste resources
they should never waste resources. can you provide me an exact scenario (preferably with video) of them doing that?
neon gust
Theres a whole reddit post
lilac fulcrum
are you expecting them to be "combat buddies" or to be "replacement teammates", because they're not meant to be perfect. I just want to make sure everyone's expectations match ours for the bot feature.
ofc that doesn't mean we won't make improvements, fix bugs, etc
neon gust
That makes no sense......
lilac fulcrum
tldr.. i skimmed it, but like i'm lazy yo 😉
neon gust
im not asking to replace teammates
im asking for bots to not throw the runs of people when a tank shows up
theres a big difference
They just sit there and take hits for no reason
flat rock
im asking for bots to not throw the runs of people when a tank shows up
Why avoid the tank if you can just die to it 9Head
granite blade
alltho during c3 it can get dicey trying to do that
that's the exact one that made me start complaining lol. I dealt with it in other expeditions because I could take my time
floral acorn
that's the exact one that made me start complaining lol. I dealt with it in othe...
we did d4 w/ 2, had to despawn hard once, i feel u
regal heron
i know the game came out of early access in november time i think. but when roughly could the next rundown be? because i think it is usually 4-5 months in between maybe 7 if really big update like rundown 5
just asking cos my friends and i are nearly finished with the rundown
distant ice
Came out early December
we don't know any dates and have no precedent since this is the first rundown outside early access
But the 4-7 months should be pretty accurate
regal heron
k thanks for the explanation!
shrewd dirge
I cant smell an extension brewing, and the map hasnt been updated
So, we're blind in terms of tight timing
But to have the follow-up rundown tarry more than 4 months is potentially unwise unless they have strong internal reasoning
They have an audience now, it would be unwise to falter here.
floral pecan
make it battle royale
rigid sinew
make it a tbrpg
shrewd dirge
Gtfo the cardgame
viscid wolf
1v1 me D2 first room
topaz anvil
Gtfo the vrmmo
shrewd dirge
Bring ur bank
rigid sinew
We have partnered with the U.SA. to make the Legion program initiative. Apply today, now!
shrewd dirge
Also sleeper dating sim
Yes, i want to date the mom
rigid sinew
gtfo h[I've been advised to continue this joke no further]
viscid wolf
oh whoops I missed it
shrewd dirge
Gtfo shown at french parliament
sonic badge
is there a way to command bots to attack a certain target? I've got 3 bots sitting behind me and I have 3 enemies within about 3-4 meters in front of me
viscid wolf
bots just vibe
sonic badge
they already are
guess i'll have to sneak attack one that seems like it wont set off the others and hope for the best!
shrewd dirge
just fwiw, whats wrong with playing with at least one other beginner?
ruby wasp
Gtfo shown at french parliament
I'd prefer to see french senators fighting tbh
Watching senate sessions is boring af
That'd spice things up
neon gust
I'd prefer to see french senators fighting tbh
I love italy now
sonic badge
Fwiw?
shrewd dirge
for what its worth
ruby wasp
We only have french loafs
viscid wolf
what
sonic badge
I have played it with a couple other people, and each time they always set off the enemies by strafing inch by inch instead of just waiting, I trust myself more than others
ruby wasp
Ye it's baguette
shrewd dirge
your goal isnt perfect stealth, but a balancing act of constant soft alert
ruby wasp
I recall reading some stats where, on average, each french citizen eats a baguette each day
viscid wolf
I recall reading some stats where, on average, each french citizen eats a baguet...
when I was in france I was eating like 2 baguettes per morning
ruby wasp
epic
viscid wolf
those things are addicting
shrewd dirge
imagine not eating a table sized slice of bread, slathered in nutella while shouting om nom nom, but as frenchly as possible.
viscid wolf
imagine not eating a table sized slice of bread, slathered in nutella while shou...
what are you, the cookie monster?
shrewd dirge
im the hazelmonster
ruby wasp
imagine not eating a table sized slice of bread, slathered in nutella while shou...
do the same with butter & ham
You get the classic jambon-beurre
lol
shrewd dirge
i might use a extremely small amount of mayo
so that when the bread is toasted, it soaks into the bread gently.
rigid sinew
french waifus don't exist anyway
saruei
sonic badge
your goal isnt perfect stealth, but a balancing act of constant soft alert
Even so, every single room got set off in the same rundown 2 times in a row before I quit
viscid wolf
oh no that's just R5A1
people were going to set off rooms whether they wanted to or not
shrewd dirge
that really is just r5a1 tbh
minor fractal
Just carry
sonic badge
this was the previous rundown they had, in A1..
shrewd dirge
yeah, thats A1, for you in general.
viscid wolf
you'd have 18 strikers in a single room
it was bad
even I rarely got past the first zone without setting someone off
shrewd dirge
i love the r4e1 hybrid clusterfuck /s
viscid wolf
R4E1 hybrid rng spawn rates were pain
sonic badge
it was the one with the giant room and the generator at the bottom correct?
shrewd dirge
giant charger room, yes.
minor fractal
it was the one with the giant room and the generator at the bottom correct?
Might be R2E1.
topaz anvil
R5A1 😍
sonic badge
I soloed that before we even had bots when there was about 20 in the room, never set one of them off. Invited a few friends in there to try and without fail, nothing but setting em off, never did have an issue in solo
shrewd dirge
clearly its r5a1
viscid wolf
this conversations of E levels had me worried
shrewd dirge
either way, with beginners in the party, if i was serious about at most walking, most sleepers were already dead before they caught up.
sonic badge
I watched A LOT of videos as to how enemies look and their range/LOS, took about 15-20 minutes to solo the room, but I got it after very carefully dispatching specific targets, starting with the fog area that had 4-5 enemies down there
shrewd dirge
in a1.
viscid wolf
I would suggest learning a faster stealth
viscid wolf
it saves time and other players cant mess up if they're all dead
I remember prenerf A1
holy shit it was bad
shrewd dirge
was a bloodbath for beginners
viscid wolf
you would have 20 sleepers respawning in each room
still sable
I'm trying to find out how long the current rundown lasts (just got the game), as well as if my mutagen booster things will stay even after the rundown changes
viscid wolf
we dont know is the honest answer
shrewd dirge
boosters should stay
sonic badge
I believe it was the rundown directly before this current one
shrewd dirge
common meme of thought says 3-4 months minimum
still sable
o.o that long?
viscid wolf
you have plenty of time if thats your concern
minor fractal
I believe it was the rundown directly before this current one
That's what the R5 in R5A1 means.
viscid wolf
it should be getting shorter and shorter theoretically
but the last three rundowns were all around half a year
I would say 3 months till next rundown minimum
rigid sinew
R5A1 ex was legend for me
viscid wolf
if we get an extension that will be around 3 more months
shrewd dirge
i would love for them to subvert our expectations, but at least give us the timer.
rigid sinew
though I much prefer R5A3 PE runs
rigid sinew
I want more R5B2/R6C2-likes
shrewd dirge
even though the last A tier reactor was a bloodbath
shrewd dirge
yeah
sonic badge
That's what the R5 in R5A1 means.
Too many numbers, too many areas
shrewd dirge
too many reused areas*
minor fractal
R2B1 and R3A3 were both really good at punishing you for being incompetent.
shrewd dirge
was fun firing squadding with hel weapons tho
sonic badge
too many reused areas*
I did theoretically just buy the game, I only have 12 hours in it
shrewd dirge
so you meant post nerf r5a1.
dont worry, stick with it, itl get easier.
you'll hit a wall with skill progress if you dont play with others though.
sooner or later.
sonic badge
I did both pre and post, I haven't really wanted to do much with others until I can fully pull myself, I'm currently in A1A7 (now that I see what you mean) and I just got to zone 78d
viscid wolf
if you want to play with veterans try the #lfg-beginners channels
rigid sinew
A1A7 lol
viscid wolf
btw the format is [rundown][level]
shrewd dirge
i think playing with bots as sloppily as i can, i clear A1 in about 20 minutes looking for boosters.
viscid wolf
Rundown 6 - A1 shortens to R6A1
I was just giving example smh clay
1v1 me D2
I'll beat yo ass
shrewd dirge
bring bank and lemon hat.
viscid wolf
I do unfortunately have the lemon hat
shrewd dirge
smh
sonic badge
that's the first time I saw a sitting charger, I just laid him out on the floor with the good ole sledgy
viscid wolf
chargers cant sit 👀
shrewd dirge
glad back damage is back in the realm of the living tho. but also that^
viscid wolf
oh you meant sleeping
sonic badge
More like standing but yes
viscid wolf
chargers are cool
shrewd dirge
charger hybrids when
shrewd dirge
they truly were the matter wave projector all along
honestly i hate nothing more than when giants use instant transmission to clap you.
viscid wolf
me when giants use flash and teleport onto me
sonic badge
And I've completed A7A1 first attempt, no thanks to the bots not being able to coordinate
viscid wolf
btw the format is [rundown][level]
but also this
sonic badge
I thought I wrote it correctly, is it A1A7?
minor fractal
A7 would be a level, because A is "A tier."
viscid wolf
its rundown - level so Rundown 6 A1 shortens to R6A1
sonic badge
I get it now, there's a lot of fucking numbers and letters
shrewd dirge
its all good, games a lot to take in.
sonic badge
The game is a lot more fun when it's decently balanced, the previous level I did with that massive room was just irritating as all hell, and the one I just did was seemingly too easy
shrewd dirge
r5a1 was definitely a little harder.
weary mesa
Distribution bug (if that’s what it was called) was hell sometimes for new players
sonic badge
it says Completed:[1,-,-,-] what are all the dashes for?
neon gust
And I've completed A7A1 first attempt, no thanks to the bots not being able to c...
brother in 2056
in the future
minor fractal
Bots still terrible.
shrewd dirge
whenever i found it i was like "ok boys, yeah dont go in there"
[pop]
[bang]
[boom]
ok, moving on.
neon gust
Bots still terrible.
Ill fight you
No i wont
they still need work
throw a tank into the wave theyre done for
minor fractal
Maybe in 2057 Copium
shrewd dirge
bots are laughable at tank. tolerable with mother.
sonic badge
I think the bots are okay, just need to have assignable options for them to wait at a specific enemy for stealth. We've already got the "One, two, three, go" dialogue, would be a good trigger for them to start pulling their sledges
gleaming cradle
bots are laughable at tank. tolerable with mother.
- starts bonking mother *
shrewd dirge
they usually follow me quite well while bonking tbh
sonic badge
@shrewd dirge I will say they did a great job bonking AFTER the enemy was triggered, and I noticed when they shoot their guns they rarely trigger enemies around them.. just feels finnicky
shrewd dirge
i just wish i could tell them to not hoover resources
bots cant trigger enemies
and they dont exist to scouts
weary mesa
Bots being commanded to hit enemies would be op
They don’t trigger anything so if they wake one up they just run to it and hit
Spamming the command would clear the room very fast
Unless there’s a big
sonic badge
It wouldn't be that OP if along with the addition, they can trigger enemies only when swinging/shooting
shrewd dirge
sounds like a hassle.
minor fractal
Just solo everything, ez.
shrewd dirge
to me, they only exist as scan filler should someone drop mid scan.
viscid wolf
I'm sure there will one day where bots will be decently usable
neon gust
They are decent
hella wall of text
Theyre pretty nice, and do there job but theres a lot of improvemetns that they need to do for them to actually be decent
-they gotta improve them on minibosses like tank, right now they just sit there doing a staring contest
-they just follow you like puppies and get in the front too much because of the rubber banding they on you
-they have this feature that force them to separate to go ping something wich gets in the way too much
but this patch added quite a bit of things:
-Only 1 bot will revive instead of all 3
-They switch to melee base on enemy count for what i can tell
-They have a pushback mechanic when a enemy push into attacking range
shrewd dirge
honestly, parties should be limited to 2 bots if they get any better.
viscid wolf
one day bots will be more viable than veterans
shrewd dirge
and most games have dogshit bots a la b4b
viscid wolf
when can we give our bots spinbot
neon gust
bots should allow you to beat its content, although not smoothly
b4b bots are server side
viscid wolf
bots should allow you to beat its content, although not smoothly
eh not for gtfo
shrewd dirge
if you play a team game alone, you've already left the standard gameplay loop.
neon gust
eh not for gtfo
then why even add a feature like bots
dont add a feature like bots and make it half ass
shrewd dirge
smooth out time inbetween lobbies.
neon gust
they cannot even deal with the most common miniboss in the game
minor fractal
then why even add a feature like bots
To supplement duos and trios
shrewd dirge
instead of waiting for that 1 4th cleetus that wandered in from A1
neon gust
even then they need to flesh them out
regardless of amount of player
the bot itself need to be good
and capable of atleast surviving all game features
viscid wolf
I mean in a game like gtfo I don't think you should be able to beat E tiers or harder D tiers
it should act as a cushion
neon gust
People already beat D4 with only bots
shrewd dirge
bots need to be there for catching and allowing limping during heated moments instead of being immediately crippled.
neon gust
they are cushions
shrewd dirge
the one thing i HATE about l4d is how competent the bots are.
shrewd dirge
because when you play with floor suckers its an immediate burden.
neon gust
because the game its simple
shrewd dirge
even if they're my friends
neon gust
gtfo its more complex so it requires more complex bots
viscid wolf
spinbot
shrewd dirge
spear spinbot bot
neon gust
no no thats tf2
viscid wolf
helicopter noises intensify
shrewd dirge
soi soi soi
rigid sinew
I think the bots are okay, just need to have assignable options for them to wait...
they were actually planning to add that
but D0c said that on tests that made them too powerful
viscid wolf
tfw bots do 8dmg per tap
rigid sinew
in general you shouldn't be able to offload all the job to the bots
neon gust
You dont
neon gust
tfw bots do 8dmg per tap
16 per swing
regardless of melee
funny seeing dauda killing a charger with knife in two swings
viscid wolf
oh 16
viscid wolf
the fuck
neon gust
yeah
icy nacelle
the one thing i HATE about l4d is how competent the bots are.
Have you ever played custom maps and ended up on a custom server with OP Bots? Your only purpose is to move forward so the bots move up to shoot more stuff, you can literally beat the game on Advanced/Expert; probably even realism on top; without firing your gun.
It's entertaining at first but then quickly becomes boring.
woeful pelican
does anyone know if they changed scouts or are they just bugged? because they no longer dip down after their tentacles come out
woeful pelican
really.....hmm that makes them a lot easier to kill. can run up on them every time now no problem
neon gust
welp
before only clients could do that
they just change it so now everyone can do it
||even tho it should knell for putting the tentacles out||
viscid wolf
yeah I feel like that would've made more sense
though there would probably be quite a bit of salty people complaning
like they do
rigid sinew
'game hard' lol
cobalt blaze
Can i get some Technical help on ||D1 Class VI alarm||
I just need to know where about to place turrets mines and cfoam
shrewd dirge
I just need to know where about to place turrets mines and cfoam
the one in the room with like 4 levels?
cobalt blaze
yeah
shrewd dirge
hmmmm
cobalt blaze
We only have one right now
shrewd dirge
well, i know they'll only spawn from one of the security doors and not the other
but the stairways are a good chokepoint for the sentries
foam isnt really going to be useful past that point, so if you see any choke points, feel free to let it rip
there arent many doors if at all for you to foam
iirc, facing away from the alarm door, they come from the right side.
IE the security door in that direction
shrewd dirge
gg
viscid wolf
D2 isn't that bad
topaz anvil
D2 is a decent level all things considered
woeful mason
yo
in B2, you make a decision to do the main sector or a secondary sector what is the difference
warm yew
Doing secondary can give you drip
floral acorn
a little bit yea
warm yew
Technically, no
warm yew
Its only hard if you don;t know how to tackle it
woeful mason
floral pecan
@woeful mason secondaries will alwaya be harder ad they are another thing to do on top of the main objective
And some are a real kick in the nuts, like C2
Some not too much of a difference
floral acorn
fun stuff, good luck
warm needle
Im on b2 2'ed obj and have no idea what to do at terminal anyone willing to give tips?
jaunty bear
gotta make an uplink connection specified at the top left hand corner
COMMANDS will list verify uplink command
thereafter, input IP after appropriate command
await codes, input code with verify command, etc
round sphinx
Can anyone explain how infection works?
desert falcon
Can anyone explain how infection works?
When you have 10% or more infection, your max health will be limited by that exact %
So if you have 50% infection your max health will be limited to 50%
if you heal above that, your health will slowly decrease until it's at 50% again.
Infection can't kill you and once you leave the infectious fog again, the infection % will go to a maximum of 85%.
harsh tusk
Guys, i can't reload while moving, but my friends can do...is it a bug?
pearl badger
harsh tusk
ah! ok, thanks
dark fern
does my booster works if I join a game in progress?
pulsar herald
Yes
verbal grove
Hi! Guys i'm pretty new at the game and i have question about C1's room full of scouts. It's better to avoid them or hammer them down or use C-foam, also is the set 1x Bioscanner 1x Sentry 2x C-Foam Launcher will be effective there?
floral acorn
hammer them, use cfoam to make it easier
either throw directly at them or on the floor on their path
i would recommend bio + 3x burst sentry but that's just me 🙂
verbal grove
Burst is better than auto btw?
floral acorn
there's many many cfoam grenades right before the room
auto is good, burst is good, auto staggers and stops, burst damages and kills
my personal (humble) preference is bursts forming a killbox where enemies run into
later in c1 the bursts make spoiler-redacted a lot easier
verbal grove
Thanks! 🙂
floral pecan
Bare in mind auto doesn't really do any good damage as well
Sniper kills the most but no stagger
Burst is the between, my favourite by far
solid spear
It doesn't shine when you get hit by one
finite plinth
sounds like a you problem
solid spear
patent root
How do you slide
floral pecan
CTRL while sprinting
Or nvm i rebinded my keys
Whatever you use to crouch while sprinting
faint spire
So for the pink color do i only need high or optionals as well
sharp whale
how do mines work exactly? are vertical mines a thing?
solid spear
how do mines work exactly? are vertical mines a thing?
You can place mines about any where really if you got the mine deployer
And yes vertical mines are
latent obsidian
So for the pink color do i only need high or optionals as well
Think its just all high completions for pink
rigid sinew
how do mines work exactly? are vertical mines a thing?
think of it as a cylinder with damage falloff
ruby wasp
vertical mines are for weirdos
sharp whale
And yes vertical mines are
are they better than horizontal mines? how is the explosion radius calculated?
ruby wasp
Horizontal mines are better
You cover a much greater range
As said before, the mines have dmg falloff
floral pecan
are they better than horizontal mines? how is the explosion radius calculated?
I like numbers, and even i don't know that 
Simple answer is horizontal is better as you'll hit more
latent obsidian
Do we have numbers for the mine initial damage? (Is falloff linear?)
ruby wasp
I don't know the formula but it deals enough dmg to OS you even if you're 10m away (in front of the mine)
floral pecan
^
ruby wasp
3 mines kill a giant if placed at head height
7 for a tank
Not to mention they penetrate enemies
floral pecan
Did someone kill a tank with 7 mines?
ruby wasp
i did
floral pecan
Damnit
distant ice
Pretty sure they patched that forever ago
latent obsidian
I used to on the first tank level in... R4?
ruby wasp
did they ?
distant ice
At least they said they did
ruby wasp
R4C1 was the "hey let's put vertical mines cuz it's funny to kill tank with it" level
We redid it on D3
worked fine
tacit zealot
You still can mine tank? i see people do on d3
stoic breach
I see people constantly fail it, but when it works its kinda cool.
tacit zealot
tank trips and dies
floral pecan
You still can mine tank? i see people do on d3
For a moment i was confused on which tank as i am always the guy who stays back to defend 
sharp whale
is there any booster to give mines greater damage and or range?
ruby wasp
there is for damage
tacit zealot
Yes, in that sense, all my teammates are my tanks
ruby wasp
not for range
floral pecan
Damage yes
tacit zealot
more one shot per one shot
ruby wasp
wanna kill a tank with 3 mines ?
floral pecan
Giants 
ruby wasp
Giant : adios
tacit zealot
I mean if you're mining giants you fucked up something
ruby wasp
my mind is
floral pecan
True, but consider all you need is about 1 normal booster
I think at least, idk mines data
tacit zealot
There are worse boosters
ruby wasp
hmm yes
tacit zealot
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