gtfo-related-questions

[floral pecan]

i can help you out if you'd like

took me 10 hours to do it myself, now i help others to clear it

[remote lily]

Do you have any advice for the end part?

That’s where I die lol

It’s the dang hybrids

[floral pecan]

the right lodaout is definitelly where you need to start from

imma go get dinner and ping you after @remote lily

a tad long to explain

[remote lily]

Ok I’m also curious what load out you use?

[earnest pulsar]

best C2 Extreme run and at the very end, a scout alerted through a door. First attempt on just high and we got it first try no checkpoints

[earnest pulsar]

tip: Don't use dual revolvers. you'll start extreme you'll start the error alarm with 100/100 and end up at 0/0 after 5-7 waves even when your teammates do a lot more than you

[remote lily]

I like using the pistol and scatter gun

Or either assault rifle and heavy assault

[earnest pulsar]

I've haven't beaten C2 extreme so I can only give advise on what not to do

[rigid sinew]

close the doors up to 2 rooms away
prepare only mines on doors that directly to the scan room
place cell
run to door and do first scan
have the cfoam guy permafoam the side where the sleepers are coming from while the other 3 do the scans

it's pretty much a cheese strat

but it works

[floral pecan]

allright so, this is how you do it @remote lily

You want to have 2 teams

[remote lily]

Okay

[floral pecan]

1 team will run Bio and any secondary (i advise one do deal with small guys, not a must), the other one runs Mines + sniper

This team is the one that will get bulkhead and push

Or get cargo and push, you'll have to judge your ammo for the first part

[earnest pulsar]

HEL revo and HAR is a pretty good combo and it might actually be pretty good for the hybrid waves. The HEL revolver is great for staggering the hybrids because it has the penetration and if you hold them at the stairs leading up to ||the mother room||, they are all lined up, even though there's only 3, and you can rapid fire into them

[floral pecan]

The important thing is that this is the team that pushes with exactly what i said

and here is why

Once the || mother || is ded, you want to snipe the scout and kill the sleepers

don't bother meleeing, you can't risk anything

[remote lily]

That’s true

[floral pecan]

If you have a door

[remote lily]

Good idea

[rigid sinew]

it's basically a speedrun mode

[floral pecan]

close it and mine it to kill the sleepers that'll wake up

If you mess up and a scout screams

don't panic and do the same thing

close the door and mine

(which is why i advised this lodaout, helps if you mess up)

you'll do that for the first 2 doors

at the third door you "shouldn't" have a scout, so just either allert it and clear it, or sneak your way in to the other door

[remote lily]

You’re saying I should run a sniper?

[floral pecan]

Whoever has the sniper, needs to have mines

don't do sniper + bio

[remote lily]

Okay

[floral pecan]

now, once you get to the 4th door, your goal will be the same

close the door behind you (so shots don't wake up the room behind), find scout and snipe

[earnest pulsar]

60 - 80% of failed runs that were going well, are because not everyone had a level head

[floral pecan]

and you'll need to put the battery in a generator

oh sorry forgot to mention

this team is also carrying fog turbine and a cell

your goal is basically to push all the way to put that battery in

Now, once you get here, the hard part is done

The rest goes as follows

Your next problem is a blood door

the way you'll do that is like this

• the duo defending will come to you and you guys all group up

if you did all right, you should have 1 door left

close it, foam and mine it

after that RUN to that blood door and do it as soon as you can, that door is your time limit

[remote lily]

That’s so much wow

Right

[floral pecan]

you can go overkill with mines on it, place even 3 if you want

do that, and then you just need to run and it's done

There is not much to say for the duo defending, they just need to pop heads with the snipers

i can tell you 1 thing doh, don't fear the hybrids, they are scared af

[ruby wasp]

You could even go without the fog turbine

[remote lily]

Kk

[ruby wasp]

as long as you have fog repellers it's enough

[floral pecan]

a lot of times they will simply stay back

i had 1 time where my team was not the best

and we were low on ammo

[remote lily]

I noticed if you peek they will stand still and shoot

[floral pecan]

i literally held 6 hybrids back just by looking at them and going to a corner

[ruby wasp]

You can abuse hybrids patterns

They stop moving once they see you

[floral pecan]

as soon as 1 of them got trought, falled back to the next corner

[ruby wasp]

So you can play hide & seek with them

xd

[remote lily]

If you get out of cover you can make them stop moving to shoot and just go back to cover

Right

I saw that haha

[ruby wasp]

Not only that

you could add a sniper sentry

[floral pecan]

yea, abuse their shooting animation to land shots easily

[ruby wasp]

no need to do shit

make them stop in front of it

done

[floral pecan]

also forgot to mention.. bring at least 1 scatter for that || mother ||

[remote lily]

But they’d keep respawning even if I didn’t kill them?

[floral pecan]

if all this sounds like a mess, i am free right now and can get you trought it

[ruby wasp]

Yeah

they'll keep spawning

[remote lily]

That’s not good

[ruby wasp]

but the delay is kinda large

around 30s

[remote lily]

Im still in finals I’m sorry

Oh that’s good that’s a while

[floral pecan]

exactly why you'd fail it. I had a good team, they landed shots and all that, but cause 1 guy was not great we all failed anyways

[ruby wasp]

Let hybrids come to you, yeet them

repeat

[earnest pulsar]

all about LOS

[ruby wasp]

they move fast

[floral pecan]

ah no worries

[earnest pulsar]

like 75% of the game

[earnest pulsar]

that's my problem normally, either there's one person who panics a little, or my brain decides to be slow and I make a stupid mistake

[rigid sinew]

skill issueeeeeee

[earnest pulsar]

but If I make a mistake like that, it's either that I just had a moment of stupidity, or someone else did something and it caught me off guard

[floral pecan]

and 1 last thing, you need to be overall decent enough so you get there with enough resources to being with. If the team defending can get an ammo pack that'd be even better, buys you more time

[earnest pulsar]

I think that there should be a tool in the mother room? you just need to make sure you have enough mines before anyone else gets tool

[floral pecan]

you should need around 4 to be set

i'd give the rest to foam

or sentries..

1 guy can even wait by the door and keep foaming it till the other 3 clear the blood door

if you get hybrids + the blood door WITH fog, you are probably screwed

[remote lily]

That’s terrifying

Yea haha

[earnest pulsar]

the way you're describing it, it sounds kind of like R3D1 (maybe? I can't remember) because of just people having their jobs, running, mining the exact doors, and everything

[floral pecan]

sadly i was not around in R3

i was in R1 - R2 - R6

the thing about C2 secondary is not that it is difficult, if everyone does their job, it is not that hard.

The problem is exactly that, you need that everyone does their job

and possibly 1 guy who knows what to do

i was able to get a newbie with me on the pushing team and we made it, so i can tell you that you only need 1 who knows how to do it for the pushing team

the defending team is just shooting so yea..

[remote lily]

I just help with killing hybrids

I guess I just feel lost on the objective

But I know people have to get that key for the main door as fast as possible

[floral pecan]

if you don't have 1 guy who knows how to push trought, you probably won't make it i'm afraid

if you don't want to remember everything i said, just remember this

• snipe scouts, mine doors to kill the room, do the same in case you messup a scout

and just make your way to put that battery in

[unkempt carbon]

any help with c2 secondary?...oh wait

[floral pecan]

@distant ice finally managed, i found an easy way to do it, and it is by baiting that melee. As long as you are moving backwards, no matter the distance, you'll dodge. I just stay close to him while he is staggered, start moving back when he'll be free so he melees and i dodge, and hit

thanks for the tips

[floral pecan]

i listed how to do it a min ago if you are interested

[unkempt carbon]

especially with bad scout locations

[floral pecan]

can also help you trought it atm, i am free

[brisk fjord]

are bots screwed rn

[floral pecan]

with giant strikers, yes

[brisk fjord]

nah its just me then

cant even get bots to join lobby

[floral pecan]

i don't use them that much doh, so i may be wrong

did you unlock it?

[brisk fjord]

let alone change their loadouts. they join then immediately leave

of course

bots only or players/bots

tried em

[floral pecan]

did you try restarting the game?

[brisk fjord]

launching through steam/ modded platforms dont change anything. the bots are joining my lobby and disconnecting seconds later. restarted game and steam

[floral pecan]

try to head to #gtfo-technical-support , maybe someone can help you there

[earnest pulsar]

that's why I enjoy watching speedruns occasionally (besides R5B1 which was entirely rng based) because the coordination is just so satisfying

[proven arrow]

What are the general favourite weapons ? I usually go for auto-pistol and machinegun, but it feels somewhat limited

[fleet vessel]

dmr sniper,
sawed-off revo,
dmr - shotgun

[rigid sinew]

bullpup and choke mod

[shrewd dirge]

Dont really have favorites, more like, non favorites.

[sharp whale]

how viable is the machine pistol?

[proven arrow]

From my experience, it's a very reliable weapon. Quick reload, controllable recoil, reduced spread. Very useful when alarms go off

And a lot of ammo

[ruby wasp]

If you want to kill, don't use

if you want to stagger, use that or pistol

[proven arrow]

So I should always go for high damage weapons ?

[sharp whale]

I think at the end of the day you should pick up whatever gun you feel comfortable the most

[ruby wasp]

That's not what i'm saying

I'm saying that machinepistol isn't used for kills

[lime egret]

Pistol slaps.

It does everything. It staggers, if you hit your shots it kills, it reloads quick, and it’s got good ammo.

[craggy pier]

is the machinegun the new long range flashlight

[floral pecan]

it is amazing, just the range is really bad

if it had a better range, i'd use it over DMR probably

[shrewd dirge]

so are you asking if its good or bad?

[versed saddle]

I don’t know if this is where I should ask but I just bought the game and every single time I try to drop in my entire computer just restarts, does anyone know what could be causing it? I don’t have anything else except discord running and I’m not sharing my screen or anything

[floral pecan]

try in #gtfo-technical-support , i feel like you'll find someone who can help you

[versed saddle]

Thank you

[lime egret]

Fair. I tend to run with the revolver as my secondary so I lead with that, then if they’re close when I need to reload I just swap to pistol.

[floral pecan]

fair, i like revolver as well, evendoh i never use it

but that thing is efficient af

[lime egret]

Pulling down 4 headshots in a row with that is the 3rd best feeling in the world, closely following 5 and 6.

[craggy pier]

(gets 6 consecutive headshots on shadows)

now that is a feeling and a half

[shrewd dirge]

tfw mag dumping dmr or hel gun into a group of shadows

[fleet vessel]

how many waves spawn in C3 within the first 30 minutes?

If you only do main?

Been wondering if it's like 1 wave per 2 minutes (15 waves), or slightly less/more?

[finite stirrup]

is overdive a static apparel drop like overload six and destination

[topaz anvil]

Should be

[tiny tundra]

In C3 do giants start coming every wave only after the class 1 alarm or is there a set time they start?

[shrewd dirge]

all warden protocol maps have set spawns at set times

and secondary might mix in a tank

[tiny tundra]

All right, I was curious because it seemed giants started spawning a lot more after the class 1 alarm but it may just be coincidence + the overload does add the tank spawns

[shrewd dirge]

there is an issue with the checkpoint

whereas

if you die, and resume from chp, the next wave might spawn immediately

giving a ton of enemies until you clean them out

[tiny tundra]

Ahh alright that makes sense

Thanks!

[shrewd dirge]

which is why i hate that map lmao

because its otherwise not bad.

[viscid wolf]

isnt C3 checkpoint broken

[fluid echo]

C3pe is the best level, followed closely by D3pe

[minor fractal]

D3 > D2 > C3 for my top three.

[distant ice]

You guys have favorite levels

[neon gust]

r6e1 my favorite level

oh wait 😫

[weary mesa]

He's leaking

[finite plinth]

r6e my favourite

[floral pecan]

Allright here is a field idk much about, soloing.

How do you go about scans? Leave 1 door open and shoot fast as hell so they get scared and overall gang up less on you?

I feel like when soloing, packed up strikers can get quite dangerous

[distant ice]

If you keep doors and can't finish scans in time or have tools to take them out you are kinda screwing yourself over

But i don't solo to clear either

Also shooting doesn't make them scared or anything

[floral pecan]

It feels like they tend to be more aggressive in a group and more "scared" if alone, could just be me doh

[distant ice]

There's no such thing afaik

[floral pecan]

I see. Do you think taking out a horde that ganged up behind a door with only your guns is doable, without going too far back? Imagine A1 second scan for instance

I found out i had a harder time if i closed all doors, easier if i kept 1 open

[distant ice]

You assume i play enough to remember

[floral pecan]

Oh, tought you did

My bad in that case

[distant ice]

Meanwhile in general technically probably

But it's all on the loadout, enemy specifics, your skill ofc etc etc

[floral pecan]

Fair, need to do some more testing to see if this is a thing. So far what kills me in my solo runs is if i let them gang up too much

[distant ice]

I don't do nor watch solos but I've seen some Wesley's clips that looked like he's melting the whole wave behind the door

Don't think it happened while holding a scan though, while falling back it's plenty possible

[floral pecan]

I think that's my mistake, trying to hold a scan meanwile an entire wave that gathered up behind a door is running at me

And i tend to have my sentry on the other side when that happens

[latent obsidian]

When I do A1 I put a burst sentry behind the left door on the second alarm and that seems to work quite well

Honestly I have a worse time on the first alarm due to visibility

[floral pecan]

I tend to leave that one open and leave a sentry too, and if they come from there my aim is good enough to clear them.

What kills me is if they decide to gather up and break the door on the other side

Probably cause i try to hold my ground too much tbh

[latent obsidian]

Leave another door on the left open so you know where they are coming from

Make that the easiest path

[finite plinth]

shoot harder

[floral pecan]

Will try that, i may have missed a few doors open by mistake

[floral pecan]

[finite plinth]

har is solo's best friend

until c2s and ds

[floral pecan]

I liked the shotgun a lot as it allows to stay efficient on giants by 2 tapping them, but i can see why many would choose heavy ar, that thing is lovely

Another mistake i do is probably not caring to dodge shooters. They tend to make me miss and strikers are able to follow up after. Need to try to focus on dodging and leave scan next time

[finite plinth]

dmr/hel revolver moment

[floral pecan]

Yep i am a dmr fanatic

[tardy ingot]

Heyo. Ive done a ton of A1 and B1 solo (kinda have 95 A1 clears currently)

Generally how you deal with scans 100% depends on the scan and your tool. For A1 a burst sentry and a direct path to you for the enemys is best.

For 1st scan its quite easy to know the path they take, open all doors and you mostly get a trickle instead of a huge wave at once.

For the 2nd scan id recommend leaving all doors on the left open. That way they will funnel through there and go down the ladder (where your sentry is pointed at).
Unless you found a mine dont bother closing that door either (and id honestly recommend mining the far right big door instead)

Why? Cuz even with all left doors open they can spawn right in front of the right side door and start breaking it. Its around a 10-15% chance to happen id say

[floral pecan]

Interesting, i have that happen very frequently for some reason, and so far my only real issue

Maybe i am leaving a door open somewhere

[fleet vessel]

I'm honestly not sure if leaving the big door open and funneling them down that path might be easier, simply bc of no rng

but who knows, they'll probably have a chance to spawn on the left side and break stuff there instead then

[tardy ingot]

Yep they do, funneling them through the right door also is not 100% safe

They may spawn in front of one of the left doors and then take that path. The funnel is also harder (due to no ladder and worse sight lines)

Ive had it happen 7 times in a row, but then not happen for 30 runs (not all solos)

[floral pecan]

Don't they always spawn at least 2 rooms away?

[tardy ingot]

yes?

[floral pecan]

That means they are breaking 2 doors instead of going trought the already free path..

Wonder why

[tardy ingot]

enemys get "sucked" into doors when they get to close to them sometimes (tho ive only seen this if a player would be in that direction)

if they break the door they then go into the next room, where then the path of least resistance is (less rooms are more important than less doors)

[floral pecan]

That'd make sense, once the first door is broken, they'd either have to go back trought the door they just opened, or break that door..

Making it count as 1 door that they need to break, makes sense

[restive viper]

Can you play older rundowns by downloading them through steamdb?

[ruby wasp]

n o

even if you could, don't

[floral pecan]

Don't know what that is, but trought mods yes

Which is not a topic i'll get into. Check rules and go all the way down to find the modded server

[restive viper]

Why?

[restive viper]

Will do

[floral pecan]

Also i think it goes without saying, but use mods in any public lobby and you are banned everywhere, game and discord alike. The mods are ment for personal use or with friends, you can't mess it up as you'll have 2 different launchers, one for vanilla and 1 modded @restive viper

[restive viper]

Of course but experiencing older rundowns would be pretty neat for me personally

[floral pecan]

Gotcha, trew that warning just to be sure

[jaunty bear]

how do i play audio logs like the one in A1 in game?

i cant for the life of me figure it out

[fleet vessel]

read the log

as in, read [logname]

[jaunty bear]

aight

[fleet vessel]

then it will tell you "audio extension available" or smth

[jaunty bear]

o

[fleet vessel]

and you press a button and there ya go

have fun~

[fluid acorn]

What are some of the recommended loadouts? I’ve been running SMG and HAR with great success but it feels a little bland

[jaunty bear]

depends on what your intention is

do you:

1. want to crowd control
2. single target killer
3. a mix
4. specialize for giant/scout/hybrids?

etc

i personally enjoy the hel revolver and the machine gun

hel revolver to take a few down each time, machine gun if they get far too close and/or if im dealing with Burst wave alarms for instance

[fluid acorn]

I usually prefer an all-around good loadout and tend to stay away from highly specific loadouts

I’ll swap the HAR for sniper if no one else brings something to wipe scouts but that’s about all the variety I’ve done this rundown

[jaunty bear]

then youll enjoy a mix. if youre looking for something different, try a bullpup as your primary and perhaps a

hm

omneco helgun for your special

[fluid acorn]

Yeah helgun could be cool

[jaunty bear]

overpenetrating rounds will wipe waves provided you can aim with it

[fluid acorn]

I’m not bad at aiming so that shouldn’t be too much of an issue

[jaunty bear]

the charge up mechanic and recoil gets a little bit to get used to

[fluid acorn]

Yeah I gotcha

[jaunty bear]

ye

also if you do like the HAR, try machine gun

[fluid acorn]

The wiki says that the carbine is a better SMG in almost every way, is that true?

Machine gun feels really clunky to me, but I haven’t really tried using it in a while tbh

[jaunty bear]

someone else could answer since i dont use either lol

machine gun deals massive damage and is amazing at killing waves, but the recoil demands constant control as well as controlled fire

gotta do it in bursts

about 4 bullets will kill a striker as it runs towards you

less if you hit a headshot, its very good

but im biased because i love it

[floral pecan]

Data man on the way

[jaunty bear]

other weapons you could try are for a new experience could be your average shotgun for instance, nothing wrong with that

[floral pecan]

Ah carabine, i remember this one.

As a client it is good, as a host meh

[fluid acorn]

I absolutely despise the shotguns in this game haha. I’ve tried to use them and they feel so finicky and bad every timr

[jaunty bear]

HAH

[floral pecan]

As a client you tend to manage to land a few more bullets in the head

Making it kill in 1 less burst

As a host that doesn't happen

[jaunty bear]

scatterguns are ridiculously efficient at killing mothers, fathers, giants, etc

chokemods great if you dont miss, hut i get what you mean

[floral pecan]

Funny enough both shotties can kill 4 giants per refill

[jaunty bear]

@floral pecan i never knew that lol

[fluid acorn]

Not the scattergun, the other shotguns

[jaunty bear]

ah the other shotguns

[floral pecan]

However there is a trick

You need to stagger and run on their back

[jaunty bear]

ah ye

back multiplyer

[floral pecan]

So you kill them in 2 shots

[jaunty bear]

so stagger with melee then unload?

[floral pecan]

And tbh staggering can even be done by a melee given they are alone enough

[jaunty bear]

ye

[floral pecan]

Ye pretty much. If it is messy, stagger with primary

[jaunty bear]

understandable

thatll save a lot of ammo tbh

[floral pecan]

It does for sure, scatter is like 4.70 efficiency, shotgun becomes 4.00 like this

Sniper is 6 for comparison

On giants that is

Hybrids and big shooters will need a little more damage from something else (30dmg)

[jaunty bear]

hum hum

a chokemod should kill a hybrid in one hit if youre faceplanting it from the front right?

[floral pecan]

On the top of my head i'd say no, but let me check multis

[jaunty bear]

id like to think ive attempted c2 secondary to say it works

attempted it enough times that is

[floral pecan]

Far from it

[jaunty bear]

[floral pecan]

It's 60 damage vs a 150hp target

[jaunty bear]

ah damn

i probably somehow hit the back of its head or smth; i wasent the host afterall

[floral pecan]

Yea back would be 120

Still not enough but if he got 30dmg he'd die

[jaunty bear]

got it

god hybrids are tough

[floral pecan]

They are.. interesting

Their scared AI is a huge weakness doh

[jaunty bear]

yea

its so exploitable

[floral pecan]

I was holding back a group just by looking at them and going to a corner

[jaunty bear]

somehow their behaviour is interesting though

[floral pecan]

But if a few of them try to shoot you and you don't have room to dodge, or other stuff is in the way.. rip

That'll hurt

[jaunty bear]

yea

eating all of their projectiles is a no go for survival

[floral pecan]

My biggest issue is the small stagger

[jaunty bear]

when they fall back?

[floral pecan]

Even normal shooters made me take damage that i could have avoided

The thing when you get hit by anything

[jaunty bear]

ahh

[floral pecan]

Like the camera goes up

[jaunty bear]

yea the flinch

its a pain in the ass especially when it all hits you lmao

luckily though, most of the time we have room to move around

if we’re unlucky or distracted, god its terrible lol

[floral pecan]

@fluid acorn as far as lodaouts go, and if you want all rounded:

• primary is strictly preference. You need to choose if you prefer guns that kill quicker or stagger more often.
• secondaries are.. interesting, to be all rounded you'd need a giant killer. Unless you bring sniper/scatter, most guns will be similiar in terms of efficiency, the ones that shine (and are all rounded good) are
• heavyar, can kill a giant with like 23 bullets, and amazing for small guys
• shotgun, as it has amazing stagger potential and you can unload in their back for a 2 shot kill, plus amazing for small guys too, but less than AR

[jaunty bear]

do whatever is fun basically, pretty much everything has its quirk

[floral pecan]

And everything is balanced well.. aside machinegun pistol..

[jaunty bear]

if they would buff its range

[floral pecan]

True. Good luck making that thing work with the 4m range

[jaunty bear]

but yea seriously, i will tell every new player im with, if they choose machine pistol, that theyre bold for choosing it lol

[floral pecan]

I have an idea. Want to try to use revolver more

If you use that back damage thing it still kills in 1 mag

[jaunty bear]

its worth a shot

i used to use it religiously but got bored of it lul

[floral pecan]

Thing is revolver is SO efficient

18 kills per refill..

Most guns are around 10 ish

[jaunty bear]

indeed

unfortunatly for the revolver, every gun is fun

[floral pecan]

I seek the ultimate lodaout

And that probably has to do with heavy ar tbh..

But i want to check what happens with rev if i unload in the back instead

[jaunty bear]

i cant say ive used the heavy ar enough honestly

been having too much fun with machine gun lol

[floral pecan]

Even if sheets wise MG is worse under most scenarios, it is fun to use

And fun matters at the end of the day

Unless you headshot like a maniac

[jaunty bear]

i can hit my target if theyre infront of me

[floral pecan]

HeavyAR is like a pistol on drugs pretty much

[jaunty bear]

lmao

[floral pecan]

Around the same shots to kill, but 15 efficiency (cause why not), and packs 30 bullets, each one staggering

[wise thicket]

I love the sight on the heavy AR

[jaunty bear]

gtfo gun appreciation club

[floral pecan]

And good range. Pistol's 6m range is quite an annoyance

Dmr 50m doh..

I learnt that you can bodyshot running enemies and headshot when staggered, allowing you to thin hordes from really far away

[jaunty bear]

oh ye i figured that part out

theyll usually flip around or something when shot at most of the time

it allows controlled fire to be really useful

[tardy ingot]

well with only headshots yeah
but then you could just try out machinegun or heavy ar which are both incredible even with non max efficiency and even outvalue it if you go perfect (for machine gun)

[floral pecan]

Correct, they still hold an amazing 11 efficiency on body hits

Which is why i always praise that heavy ar

Heavy ar is even 11.72.. damn

Primaries used perfectly barely reach 10

[olive falcon]

Should i cop the game?

[jaunty bear]

cop?

[topaz anvil]

Slang for buy basically

[jaunty bear]

the answer is yes then @olive falcon

[floral pecan]

Do you like

• hardcore
• coop
• working with a squad to overcome challanges
• stealth
• feeling like you are not a killer machine, but some guys trying to actually make it trought? Then yes

If anything i said sounds boring to you, don't imo. If these sound fun to you, no need to even ask. GTFO is unique in what it gives @olive falcon

[warm yew]

If you like tedious crouch stealth with your team talking about their life story

Buy this game

[floral pecan]

I still cannot find any game i can compare to this one funny enough

Closest is l4d2, and these are still so different

[stoic breach]

extraction waiting room

[autumn wedge]

My crew is 3 people, so we've been trying all the missions as a trio. We got A1/B1 really easily, and fought against B2 for like.... 5-6 nights, always hanging up on the bulkhead door area and running out of supplies. Would a bot generally be a value-add, should we look for a 4th, or is it all doable as a trio with the right strats?

[floral pecan]

levels are soloable with no bots so..

yea, very doable

bare in mind the game was ment for a group of 4 doh

people soloing levels are a lot more skilled usually

[tardy ingot]

Its still easier to do as 4. So if you can find someone who likes the game aswell and who you vibe with then do that

[autumn wedge]

Would a bot be value-add at all, or are they usually more dead weight?

[fluid echo]

The primary hel revolver?

[autumn wedge]

I feel like we're MILES from completing B2, so it feels more like a strategy problem than a skill problem (IE aim a bit better to save a bit more ammo is maybe NOT the solution for us?)

[fluid echo]

Maybe look at a video of a team completing it and see where your team differs?

[finite plinth]

did you loot supply room

[autumn wedge]

Yeah good idea. I found it hard to find R6B2 videos that weren't solo speedruns, are there any great content creators I should check out?

[floral pecan]

oh hell no, secondary

[fluid echo]

Ok I was confused, the secondary revolver isn’t a popular pick for some reason

[floral pecan]

it is REALLY bad on giants

and it needs good aim

unless you do some "stagger and go behind the back" kind of thing

[fluid echo]

Check out firebird, also I think scaler made a b2 guide

[tardy ingot]

professor scaler on youtube has a B2 guide out quite recently

[fluid echo]

Gotcha, might as well pick a crowd control weapon over it

[floral pecan]

just so we are on the same page, i don't mean it is not efficient, most guns are not against giants unless you go around the back, i mean that it takes 10 bullets on body for a giant striker..

but yknow.. revolver shoots really fast

i am trying some stuff with it at the moment, what i am disliking is that it doesn't offer as much "shoot and kill" kind of potential as shotgun or Heavy AR unless you are dead on accurate

if used properly it is probably better tbh

[fleet vessel]

if used with only headshots the revo is one of the best weapons in ammo-efficiency and has incredibly stable combat - 6 kills, reload, 6 kills, reload. Not the longest reload either.
hitting headshots 100% of the time is pretty unlikely tho, unless you shoot slowly

not a good giant-killer or anti-mass weapon, but a very stable all-rounder that falls short against giants and surges, basically

DMR but you have to be even more accurate since you need to hit 100% headshots, not 50% headshots

[fluid echo]

It’s basically just the primary hel revolver but in a special slot

Special should be for more specific situations but the revolver just feels like a primary

[floral pecan]

what i dislike about weapons like DMR and Revolver is that if you get overrun and don't have time to pick your shots, they tend to get harder to use

that is why i like having a secondary that can "spray and pray" a bit better, if you get my point

at least DMR has 0.5 hipfire so it is still usable

but rev has 2..

[fluid echo]

Revolver, once you get used to it, is good in over run situations because of pierce and a good zoom

[finite plinth]

just run 5/13% main dmg and you'll have two specials

:^

[fluid echo]

Dmr feels terrible in over run situations

[floral pecan]

true, DMR is only 3% as far as i know

[finite plinth]

but there's no 3% main dmg

[floral pecan]

oh makes sense

[floral pecan]

i main DMR pretty much, i can tell you it is still good thanks to that hipfire, but you need to be dead on accurate

and switch targets to keep staggers

[cosmic rampart]

anyone know the main differences between the two shotguns?

[floral pecan]

stats wise they are almost identical

But

[fluid echo]

Spread

[floral pecan]

Chokemod is more accurate, the other one has double the bullets

and that "more accuracy" doesn't help much unless you are trying to hit heads on giants

[cosmic rampart]

so does that translate to chokemod being a better giant slayer?

[fluid echo]

Basically

[floral pecan]

depends, i don't aim for the head if i have a shotgun on giants

i go on their back with a stagger if i can

in that case, accuracy doesn't make a difference

but if you are trying to hit the head, then yes

[cosmic rampart]

thanks for the clarification!

[fluid echo]

Back to the dmr and hel revolver tho

They feel so similar, but the revolver has pierce and a better zoom

[floral pecan]

took a while to check stats myself as i was curious

if you don't want to bother, Hel rev is usually better

DMR is better only in 2 situations

• more bullets, which translates to killing more before reload
• 0.5 hipfire on DMR, making it amazing without scoping in

And 50 m range i guess

[finite plinth]

hel rev has a higher rof, more total ammo, lower range and a 0.5s reload

[cosmic rampart]

the hel rev is in the special slot, right?

[floral pecan]

they have the same RoF and Reload i believe

lemme double check

[finite plinth]

if you animation cancel, hel rev is mega fast

[floral pecan]

Nvm RoF is 0.2 on hel rev and 0.25 on DMR

oh yea with animation cancel very likely

[finite plinth]

while you need to listen for insertion sound for dmr

[earnest pulsar]

HEL revo is primary, normal revo is secondary/special

[floral pecan]

no, primary

[cosmic rampart]

oh

[floral pecan]

basically i'd not take the DMR over Hel revo unless you like that 0.5 hipfire

[fluid echo]

Hel revolver has pierce, more damage, more rnd per refill, and more damage per refil

Just 4 less bullets

[finite plinth]

you should always have one dmr for shooters anyways

[floral pecan]

the more damage doesn't make much difference

at best it translates to 1 less bullet on giants

[viscid wolf]

hel rev is more practical

[fluid echo]

True, 8 compared to 7.5

[viscid wolf]

and that 1x is much more helpful than whatever that weird reticle the dmr has

[finite plinth]

and if you bring muted dmg, dmr better

[earnest pulsar]

I am not a huge fan of the dmr because it has poor ammo, bad scope, and too long of a delay between shots to be fun

[finite plinth]

one day prisoners will clean the sight on the dmr

[floral pecan]

the only BIG thing the DMR has over hel rev is that 0.5 hip spread

and 1 hit kill on shooters

[viscid wolf]

the 2.5(?)x doesn't fit gtfo

too awkward to use close quarters

[floral pecan]

that is why there's that 0.5 hipfire

[viscid wolf]

it's like trying to play cod with an 8x on your assault rifle

[cosmic rampart]

so that begs the question if the sniper is impractical

[finite plinth]

just wait until rundown 10's weapon customisation

:^

[cosmic rampart]

I really only bring it for scouts

[viscid wolf]

well you wont be using the sniper close quarters

if you are I'm questioning your existence

[finite plinth]

wait you don't?

[fluid echo]

2.5x is too much and hip fire isn’t a difference between the two because at hip fire range the revolver and dmr hit the same things

[cosmic rampart]

don't underestimate my stupidity

[floral pecan]

i do that

[viscid wolf]

I mean like

shooting normal sleepers

[cosmic rampart]

there's a reason I play Titan in Destiny

[viscid wolf]

right at your feet

[floral pecan]

personally i feel the difference, but most would prefer hel rev over DMR, it is a better gun under most aspects

imma stick with my dmr doh

[fluid echo]

I need to try and see the dmr side, what special do you run with it?

[viscid wolf]

sniper

[fleet vessel]

hipfire-deleting 3 sleepers at the beginning of waves, or 2 sleepers and keeping a shot for the occasional giant, works entirely fine. In a team it is not only usable in waves against smalls, but if a sniper doesn't use their shots and always has it at high ammo they're actually wasting ammo.

[viscid wolf]

bio

[viscid wolf]

well yeah but you're balancing ammo rather than purposely using it close quarters

[floral pecan]

Anything really, i feel comfortable enough with it that i can usually hold hordes fairly decently even with DMR alone

[fleet vessel]

that is true.

[floral pecan]

But if i can pick

Heavy AR

[viscid wolf]

sniper sniper sniper

[floral pecan]

otherwise Sniper

[viscid wolf]

dmr sniper

best combo

[fleet vessel]

I have purposely switched to sniper and ran close to the final enemies to hipfiredelete them tho

[floral pecan]

Lately i've been messing around with shotguns doh

[fleet vessel]

question my existence, I dare you

[floral pecan]

i quickscope doh, not hipfire

[viscid wolf]

1v1 me D2

[floral pecan]

with sniper that is

[viscid wolf]

quickscoping is definitely the play

[floral pecan]

got used to it from DMR

[fleet vessel]

yes

[fluid echo]

Lol every solo run for R6 has dmr shotgun, the combo must be good right?

[floral pecan]

if you can land your shots, yes

[stoic breach]

DMR one shots the waves, shotgun just allows you waveclear at the end with ease.

[floral pecan]

and shreds giants

otherwise i'd not run it over heavy ar

[stoic breach]

In solo runs I'd rather just melee them

[floral pecan]

i like to stagger a giant - run behind - kill in 2 hits with shotgun

if they are alone enough yea, i'd do that too

[stoic breach]

just solo stagger them both :>

[floral pecan]

[fleet vessel]

sniper works lovely against giants too, so dmr sniper is a valid combination. Just not the best for solo runs, considering sniper's hella impractical against many smols.

[stoic breach]

I believe you can do it Zy

[stoic breach]

how many ammo packs you finding?

[finite plinth]

d1 says otherwise

[stoic breach]

YOU GRIEFIN, YOU GRIEFIN

[floral pecan]

i can run circles if that's what you mean and hit time to time

but give me more than 2 giants and my stamina will tell me f you

[fleet vessel]

??

[stoic breach]

Yeah, you can do that.

[cosmic rampart]

is a scattergun good for a general use special?

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[floral pecan]

only bosses

[viscid wolf]

I mean

[fleet vessel]

depends on the mission? On all missions but C3 I go for all them resources????

[floral pecan]

giants is ok too

[viscid wolf]

after the nerf

[floral pecan]

but for giants you have sniper

[viscid wolf]

I dont see a reason to run it over sniper

[stoic breach]

Big clear :>

[viscid wolf]

it's only really a motherfucker

so just bring it for D2

[fleet vessel]

it can oneshot hybrids to the head if you aim well and get lucky(?)

[floral pecan]

good luck with that

[viscid wolf]

you would have to get really lucky

[fleet vessel]

so it can be useful against the hybrid error

[viscid wolf]

in that case just run sniper

[fleet vessel]

but it's painful, unreliable and only has 2 shots, so just run sniper

[stoic breach]

sniper >>> scatter for c2

[fluid echo]

Absolutely

[viscid wolf]

sniper >>> scatter any level now

maybe except D2

but every other level sniper is ahead by a lot

[earnest pulsar]

HAR>everything

[floral pecan]

agreed

[stoic breach]

I do like AR+HAR

[viscid wolf]

HAR kinda busted

[stoic breach]

only hit scan.

[cosmic rampart]

that's the HEL rifle, right?

[floral pecan]

no, heavy assault rifle

[cosmic rampart]

oh

doy

[floral pecan]

evendoh HEL rifle is another type of busted in its own league

[earnest pulsar]

Heavy
Assault
Rifle

[viscid wolf]

my baby ;;;

HEL rifle come back

I miss you

they took away my burst cannon

then they took away my hel rifle

[cosmic rampart]

isn't there a HEL rifle right now?

[minor fractal]

Naw, I still prefer scatter for D3 solo stuff.

[stoic breach]

No.

[viscid wolf]

Hel gun is the one in the game

[cosmic rampart]

big sad

[viscid wolf]

not rifle

[fluid echo]

Unpopular opinion: Heavy Assault Rifle is inferior the the Machine Gun

[floral pecan]

also bare in mind 12 clips in the mag instead of 8 allows you to hold up to 6 strikers at once compared to 4 before reloading

[viscid wolf]

definitely unpopular

[stoic breach]

Not if you only hipfire :^)

[fluid echo]

The only thing the heavy assault rifle has going for it is 2 damage over the machine gun

[floral pecan]

far, far more than that

i'll tell you 2 quick ones. No charge up and stagger on each hit

[fluid echo]

Worse damage per mag, worse rnds per refil, worse ammo per refil, worse damage per refil, worse starting ammo

[earnest pulsar]

1 HEL revo headshot + 1 HAR body shot kills smalls

[autumn wedge]

Is there any consensus on melee weapon or is it all situational? I started with hammer; switched to bat to hit more frequently, but the range/damage is pretty bad feeling on swarms

[floral pecan]

dmg per mag is a difference of 10
Rounds and Ammo i'll just address as efficiency, where machinegun is better only if you are using it perfectly, good luck doing that doh.

[cosmic rampart]

I'm guessing going cyclical with any automatic weapon is a waste of ammo

[earnest pulsar]

bat sucks overall, spear is stealth

[fleet vessel]

like you'd switch between weapons for each shot 🤡

[floral pecan]

using the machinegun to a level of efficiency that beats HAR is extremely difficult

[earnest pulsar]

yeah, I would if there's not a ton

[finite plinth]

imagine using anything that isn't hel gun or sniper

lole

[cosmic rampart]

what does the HEL gun do?

[earnest pulsar]

the HAR shines most at holding

[floral pecan]

plus that "stagger on each hit" and no charge up translate to such a good weapon to hold your own ground with controlled shots

Machinegun can't do that

[fleet vessel]

it has a charge-up on shots (feels like a delay, essentially), but has pierce (pen - overpenetration)

[floral pecan]

^ of 4

[cosmic rampart]

semi auto, burst, or full auto?

[earnest pulsar]

penetration, if enemies are lined up, it will hit them all (only 3 for hel gun)

I think it's only 3

[fleet vessel]

single shot, dear. 10 ammo but I don't think you can hold the button down, and even if you can I don't recommend it at all.

[earnest pulsar]

all I know is that revo is 5

[viscid wolf]

9 shots

[fleet vessel]

9 shots?

my bad.

[floral pecan]

pretty sure it's 4, but to get it out of the way:
4 means you can hit up to 4 enemies at once, counting the one you shot trought

[fluid echo]

Machine gun is the best crowd control, no need for controlled shots

[viscid wolf]

also I do recommend spamming against giants

[fleet vessel]

ah, true

[viscid wolf]

as long as you have enough mouse pad space

[fleet vessel]

forgot about the bastards

[fleet vessel]

or high enough DPI 🤡

[floral pecan]

lemme check fire rate, only that could make it better than Heavy ar

[fluid echo]

The fire rate is way better

[viscid wolf]

9/39

[fluid echo]

Heavy ar shoots slow

[floral pecan]

0.8 on MG vs 0.114 on heavy ar, a tad faster

[viscid wolf]

*uses my switch from 800 to 21000 dpi button

[fleet vessel]

y e s

that's actually viable

[earnest pulsar]

the HEL gun charge/delay is only 0.1 seconds. it feels like a lot if you only shoot once, or edge it but if you spam, it just feels like realistic single fire

[floral pecan]

However, you need 2 bullets to stagger on machinegun

[fleet vessel]

why'd you not always play on 21k

[floral pecan]

unless you headshot

[fluid echo]

Bring a machine gun for d3 and you’ll see it shine

Melts waves

[viscid wolf]

I wonder how many machine gun mains are in the game

[floral pecan]

I simply don't. Heavy AR does everything MG does better and more efficiently given the player is skilled enough, UNLESS you are a god and can hit heads without missing almost anything on machinegun

[viscid wolf]

3 maybe

[finite plinth]

i could do the same with hel gun

[floral pecan]

and the stagger on each hit is a HUGE deal, can't stress that enough. It's the whole reason why i can hold up to 6 strikers rushing at me at once with DMR given i don't miss

[finite plinth]

and i could actually contribute to giants

:^

[fluid echo]

How is the heavy ar more efficient

[viscid wolf]

tfw tap with machinegun

[fluid echo]

Worse damage per mag, worse rnds per refil, worse ammo per refil, worse damage per refil, worse starting ammo

[viscid wolf]

you know

[finite plinth]

no charge up, lower recoil

more user friendly

[viscid wolf]

I've been feeling like people bring up numbers too much

[finite plinth]

muh efficiency

[floral pecan]

efficiency on strikers are the following

19.57 on machinegun if you hit 2 head + 2 body

15,63 on Heavy AR if you hit 1 head + 2 body

[viscid wolf]

dmg per refill, efficiency alll that jazz

[earnest pulsar]

spoiler chat?

[floral pecan]

IF you can do that on machinegun, without missing a single bullet and in 1 burst, then yes it'd be better

[finite plinth]

everyone should just bring machine pistol, machine gun because it has most ammo

[viscid wolf]

theres much more to a gun than numbers

[floral pecan]

miss a single bullet and it is not better

[floral pecan]

yep, this too

that is why i was stressing out that "1 shot per stagger" and charge up thing

[viscid wolf]

budget autopistol ftw

[floral pecan]

that alone does not allow machinegun to stagger as well as an heavy AR can, unless you are shooting a straight line of enemies.. but in that case you'd just bring HEL gun

[cosmic rampart]

ngl, the autopistol feels pretty good

[viscid wolf]

I mean if we were talking about numbers only, then sniper sentry would still only be ran

[floral pecan]

correct

[fleet vessel]

agreed

[floral pecan]

burst has worse stats, but they have different use cases, in which burst tends to work better

[fluid echo]

11.7 heavy ar for body and 11.18 machine gun for body

Machine gun is better even without headshots

[earnest pulsar]

auto pistol was the best pistol

[floral pecan]

... 11.7 and 11.18

[fluid echo]

The difference is minimal

[viscid wolf]

there's a lot more things that make the har better

such as reload, no charge up, good recoil

[earnest pulsar]

it has a smaller reticle

[fluid echo]

Reload cancel, recoil can be controlled and charge up is basically a non factor

[earnest pulsar]

and a more transparent sight overall

[fleet vessel]

this conversation is just frankly useless to read
except for the absolute top-level players, who don't need the difference, no one's gonna look at stat differences that minor

[floral pecan]

charge up is a huge factor

[finite plinth]

charge up is a non factor

yike

[floral pecan]

it is the difference between "i can hold these 8 strikers" and "I need to unload half my mag for these 8 strikers"

[fluid echo]

When will charge up mean the difference between life and death?

[floral pecan]

flicking

imagine 8 strikers are running at you

[fluid echo]

When they get closer than they should’ve been in the first place

[viscid wolf]

or gun swapping

[earnest pulsar]

charge up is the main reason I don't take the machine gun

[minor fractal]

MG has a higher skill cap, and is generally burstier than the HAR.

[floral pecan]

what you SHOULD do is shoot the closest one, than quickly swap to the second closest one, and so on, to stagger every living thing

as you can guess, do that with machinegun and you won't go far

[viscid wolf]

anyway this conversation is probably not going to get anywhere

[fleet vessel]

thinks you'll only ever have enemies at long range
evidently has never played on most of the maps, where the scans are sometimes right in front of the door or a corner

???

[floral pecan]

the only option you'd have is hold left click on MG

and yes, you don't always have the luxury of long hallways

or chokepoints to begin with

[earnest pulsar]

MORAL OF THE STORY
MG and HAR are both good secondary's and have their own strengths and weaknesses but the normal revolver is still better

[fleet vessel]

^

[floral pecan]

However, there is 1 scenario where i see MG better than heavy AR, and basically only 1. Unloading, with teammates, into a running horde, as lower damage and higer firerate means you'll distribute the damage more and overall distribute stagger

[fluid echo]

Like d3 which I have said

[floral pecan]

mmh, where in D3?

|| reactor || ?

[fluid echo]

Both reactors

[minor fractal]

You act like this is uncommon.

[fluid echo]

Exactly, this is common

[fleet vessel]

I'm not sure how it'll be of help at the overload reactor tbh

[floral pecan]

it's not, but if you'll find yourself in that situation you should just bring a hel gun

[fleet vessel]

since that's kinda not hallways with how the scans go wee

[floral pecan]

as it is MUCH better than both

[fluid echo]

Lol hel gun and machine gun do not have the same role

[fleet vessel]

hel gun with the overpen is an anti-group
your stagger-MG-idea basically does the same idea
Hel gun kills enemies, MG staggers more

[fluid echo]

Dont try and act like hel gun would be as useful taking a wave as the machine gun, try it in practice

[fleet vessel]

so yes, if your team is running kill-weapons, staggering with MG is probably viable, but in most other cases the hel gun would be just as useful if not better

[floral pecan]

^ that pretty much.

[fleet vessel]

lure em around a corner
shoot a few times, overpenning the entire time
profit

[minor fractal]

Penetration on HEL gun isn't always realistic, and the mag size tends to hold the weapon back compared to MG.

[fleet vessel]

not that simple, ofc, since overpen isn't always helpful since they don't always bunch up into lines

[earnest pulsar]

depends on if there's a choke point, if there's a long narrow hallway, hel gun would probably be more ammo efficient and faster

[fluid echo]

Yes lure an entire wave around the corner, it’s not that simple

[floral pecan]

I see the use case for the machinegun, but if i find myself in such use case, i'd just run hel gun and shred the horde to begin with

in D3 it is extremely doable, hug a wall

[fluid echo]

You act as if the horde will be in a single straight line all coming at one time

[minor fractal]

This ignores enemies targetting teammates, enemies having animation-related pathing differences, etc.

[floral pecan]

let me correct that.

Everyone stays around the same place and hugs said wall

I had them line up and basically take hordes almost by myself with said hel gun

But, if you have a more open space, and a big horde, and you need stagger, then yea MG could do it better

[fluid echo]

The d3 hordes don’t stack like that, enemies don’t follow one path EVEN if the whole team is stacked

[minor fractal]

Reactors in particular, as well as shadows and chargers in terms of their AI, are also unique in that they don't have the same intimidation mechanics.

[floral pecan]

cause i do agree with @minor fractal that making Said pen work comfortably is really map dependent

they do? unless we are talking about diff reactors, as i only found 1

didn't do overload yet

[minor fractal]

All reactors give strikers different AI from my knowledge.

Reactor startups, specifically.

[floral pecan]

there are only 2 AIs as far as i know

for strikers that is

[minor fractal]

Yep.

[floral pecan]

Either they will be aggressive and run to you, or more "defensive" and try to strafe first if aimed at

and the spot i am talking about has a ladder

That means the aggressive ones will ALL be in a line, the defensive ones will probably get a chance to get out of the way

[fluid echo]

even if using the ladder , the horde staggers

[minor fractal]

There are no defensive ones on reactor waves?

[floral pecan]

oh? My bad in that case

[minor fractal]

Also, not sure why you're arguing against me here, I'm agreeing with you.

[floral pecan]

you could be right as i to recall strikers being quite aggressive on reactor

i'd not see this as arguing, my bad if it seems like it

[minor fractal]

I'm saying that reactors, shadows, and chargers have mechanics that make them very good targets for HEL weapons, but HEL weapons suffer outside of these scenarios since penetration becomes a lot less realistic.

[floral pecan]

that i totally agree on too

[fluid echo]

This switched from a machine gun and Heavy ar debate to a hel gun and MG

[floral pecan]

The only thing i dislike about HEL gun is that unless you really plan it, you won't manage to use said pen a lot of times to begin with

[earnest pulsar]

even if you don't use penetration, it still has fairly good damage

[fluid echo]

Hel gun on d2 is mvp

For secondary especially

[minor fractal]

Sure, but MG is more consistent.

[floral pecan]

as far as being consistent, i agree on too

[fluid echo]

Hel gun and MG on D2 secondary defending is a easy defense

[floral pecan]

Tbh that is one of the situations where i could pick MG over Heavy AR

as headshots are not a thing

[fluid echo]

You hit only headshots with heavy ar?

[floral pecan]

yea?

oh wait

only

no of course not, but i really try to go for it

if i try the same thing with machinegun i'd struggle as you are limited by that chargeup between each burst

However, if someone is able to do controlled bursts and hit like 4 bullets in the head at once without missing much, then the stagger potential on MG becomes really, really good.

which translates well if you are blasting away at a horde and aim at head level

[fluid echo]

Exactly like you’d do in the d3 reactors

And any wave of any level

[floral pecan]

out of curiosity, where is this second reactor?

completed main and like half secondary but didn't find this second reactor yet

[fluid echo]

The first bulkhead key

Start of the level

[finite plinth]

reactor shutdown is in ovl
reactor startup is in high

[floral pecan]

ah overload, thanks

as far as the main reactor goes, it has a perfect spot for hel gun

and i literally mean perfect. Long line of sight and a ladder to funnel them all

first reactor i have no idea as i haven't done that yet

[fluid echo]

For the stairs, and ladder, the hel gun is good yes but the rest of the mission? You’ll have to leave the stairs eventually

[floral pecan]

as far as main reactor goes, the only time i had to leave that spot was for secondary, where i had to defend alone while my team got that || tank ||

and yes, it got worse there

i did use a forklift to funnel them a tad, but it definitelly had more troubles from there

plus not sure why, that last wave didn't feel like it had many enemies anyways

[fluid echo]

Yea they ease it up for the last wave considering that you’ll have to do it multiple times and the tank

[floral pecan]

makes sense, also explains why i can hold it by myself

cause i know i'd not be able to hold a "normal" wave alone unless i go for a run

or i have really big areas, as i run DMR

[fluid echo]

Dmr on d3?!

Chad energy

[floral pecan]

i always run DMR

aside D2

cause || babies ||

[wise thicket]

I just run MG for D2

[topaz anvil]

Chokemod on babies

[fluid echo]

Just use the ladder strat on the babies?

No need to shoot

[floral pecan]

for the first one you find yea

[wise thicket]

Mg is fun to use on them tho

[topaz anvil]

"look at me I dont shoot"

[fluid echo]

That’s the only one you need to fight

The other mother door isn’t needed

[floral pecan]

there are multiple ways to go about D2, personally i find it more fun by doing only 1 side and pushing trought the rooms with || charger scouts and mothers ||

but if you do it by opening the 2 starting doors then you won't even need to get there anyways

if i am doing secondary then ye, i also just do both starting doors

cause secondary is quite difficult imo

[fluid echo]

It’s all or nothing when doing levels

[floral pecan]

Also sorry my bad, forgot that || D2 || had || chargers everywhere ||

[fluid echo]

It’s dependent on how good the two defenders are really

[floral pecan]

nvm i don't run it there

i feel like there is more to it, i was holding down on my heavy AR on the incoming wave and it was not enough, hitting most bullets as well

like 25 out of 30

probably didn't use tools properly

[fluid echo]

Use the mg

[topaz anvil]

D2 secondary?

[fluid echo]

Yes

Mg was made for those situations

[topaz anvil]

The objective itself is a piece of piss

[floral pecan]

I'll give it a shot, if headshots are not in the mix MG may outclass heavy AR

in such situation that is

Heavy AR loses a lot of benefits on chargers

expecially that 1 hit stagger..

[fluid echo]

Heavy ar loses its benefits on waves compared to the MG

Big waves

Tsunami waves

Like d2, d3 maybe d1

[floral pecan]

if you mean the ones you just kinda spray and pray, agreed

[fluid echo]

D4 as well

C3

Basically all the hard levels

[floral pecan]

so far only C3 has felt really overwhelming for me, didn't finish D4 yet

where i really stopped caring to be really accurate and shot like a madlad

Oh yea, D2 secondary

That one really hits like a truck

[earnest pulsar]

C3 is just R5B4 with less kiting room and stamina

[fluid echo]

C3 pe is my favorite level, followed closely by d3pe

C2 is my most played tho, seemingly everyone needs help with it lol

[earnest pulsar]

extreme is just more than 2x more difficult because it burns ammo

[floral pecan]

Agreed, i go back there frequently as well to help

My fav level so far is probably D4

[earnest pulsar]

thanks to you and some livestreams, I shouldn't need help the next time I attempt extreme as long as I get average+ teammates

[floral pecan]

Oh? I can help in like 30 mins

[earnest pulsar]

but my first try on c2 just on high, easy win

[fluid echo]

There’s only one side objective on c2, are you thinking of c3?

[earnest pulsar]

idk if I have time for it right now but even still, you've helped enough with your knowledge dump: #gtfo-related-questions message

[earnest pulsar]

nope, I'm thinking of C2, is this your first rundown?

[fluid echo]

Yea, but I’ve fully completed this one already lol. Now I’m just helping others out in the lfg mostly, finding the best load outs lol

[earnest pulsar]

I'm not doubting your skill, but it explains the confusion

[floral pecan]

Oh glad you saw that. Sadly i can come only in like 20mins or so

[fluid echo]

Lol im still confused, was main called high in past rundowns

[earnest pulsar]

in R4 (when optional objectives were introduced) and R5, it used to be

High but now it's: Primary
Extreme Secondary
Overload " "
Prisoner Efficiency " "

[fluid echo]

Oh that makes sense

[earnest pulsar]

r4 and r5 R6

[thin pine]

can bots revive themselves when you're far away?

[earnest pulsar]

like a bot revives another bot?

[thin pine]

no a bot just fucking picks himself up

that just happened to us

[earnest pulsar]

nope

[craggy pier]

High is now "Main"

[earnest pulsar]

shouldn't

[floral pecan]

Host may have kicked and made him join again @thin pine

[thin pine]

hackett got stuck somewhere for some reason got downed and after a while magically revived himself

[earnest pulsar]

close enough

[thin pine]

it was also the reason we lost C3

because bot gets stuck somewhere...

i don't know if it was him actually getting stuck or something or his pathing going ham

he was just standing there

not glitching or anything, just standing

menacingly

[floral pecan]

Bishop is beyond our understanding

[thin pine]

also i was the host and i didn't do anything

he literally got up by himself

[floral pecan]

Oh, idk then

[manic marten]

can someone screencap logos of the in-game comapnies like Dreyfus, when they get a chance? Would like to make digital art

[earnest pulsar]

@thin pine #bug-reporting

[fluid echo]

in these scenarios, quickly kick the bot by making the slot "player only" or "locked" and change it back to bots.

the bot will teleport

[earnest pulsar]

but bots should be able to faze through objects for that exact reason

[neon gust]

once they get stuck not even the nocliping applies to them after 2 rooms

you have another issue with them going to ping doors you didnt see, yes even during fights it can happend

[noble bridge]

If have a dmg buff on my sniper (deals 48dmg now), can i oneshot a scout everywhere i hit it (only has 42hp)? Or does hitting the arms/legs less damage?

[earnest pulsar]

sniper should be able to kill a scout with a front body shot without a damage buff unless they changed that but you might as well headshot for good measure

[minor fractal]

The only damage multipliers for hitboxes in this game are crit spots (head and tumors on bosses/minibosses) and armor (anything that isn't a tumor on bosses/miniboses)

[distant ice]

Hasn't been like that since r3 has it

[minor fractal]

If have a dmg buff on my sniper (deals 48dmg now)

[distant ice]

Didn't actually check this rundown

[distant ice]

Read moss

[earnest pulsar]

I don't know, I don't stay updated on every weapon's stats

and I don't know how to read

[minor fractal]

Oh

Yeah, fuck no.

40 damage is short.

[earnest pulsar]

@distant ice I A M A N I D I O T

[distant ice]

Noted

[earnest pulsar]

there, now my name is suiting

[craggy pier]

lol

[wise heath]

does anyone have any tips for the moving scan on C1

[floral pecan]

place sentries on the top door, cfoam stairs, if you got to the 90% mark, cfoam these stairs too if you know which ones i am talking about

as it tends to be the most difficult part

[stoic breach]

if you see a giant mass of them, get out and kill them all, then go forward again

[wise heath]

ok ill try that

[dense orchid]

do we know how long this rundown is gonna last?

[shrewd dirge]

you have at the extreme minimum, 3 months.

[split onyx]

Does anyone know when GTFO usually tends to go on sale by any chance? My friends and I are wanting to play it together but they want to wait for it to go on sale first.

[shrewd dirge]

iirc they just missed a sale, so not until the next seasonal sale

[grizzled widget]

just a bit curious, when did people first pick up and play GTFO?
would help get a sense of the community at current, so let's do a poll.

Rundown 1: 1️⃣
Rundown 2:2️⃣
Rundown 3:3️⃣
Rundown 4:4️⃣
Rundown 5:5️⃣
Rundown 6:6️⃣

[split onyx]

I figured as such so that was why I was wondering.

[shrewd dirge]

just keep in mind, it might not go on sale for lunar newyear

[split onyx]

I was wondering about that

If not maybe it might for the spring sale

[shrewd dirge]

i would be surprised if its not on the spring sale.

[split onyx]

The spring sale is usually late February early march right?

Or was it April

I always forget

[shrewd dirge]

probably april

[split onyx]

Ok

[shrewd dirge]

i just wishlist shit for the email notifs of sales

[jaunty bear]

easy, just time travel to a sale-

[split onyx]

Dang, I didn’t think about that

[tacit zealot]

anyone here know r4 well

whats the point of the basement zone in r4b1, near the high bulkhead

[shrewd dirge]

what was the objective for b1 again?

[grizzled widget]

the terminal in alpha two

getting coords for the data cube locations you pick up in c1

[shrewd dirge]

r4 m8.

[grizzled widget]

i don't remember

[desert falcon]

I think it was just an extra zone that ended up killing 99% of new ppl entering it

so I guess the point was: a few resources

[shrewd dirge]

iirc they liked to lock the resource rooms with alarms back then

now they're just free i guess.

[desert falcon]

that one was free as well, thats why so many ppl went in there

they wanted to grab an extra ammo pack before the actual alarm behind the bulkhead door

[shrewd dirge]

oh what the fuck, i remember the zone you're talking about.
yeah its like an empty zone with a low dose pack. totally worthless.

spitters too iirc.

there is a disinfect zone in high tho

[tacit zealot]

I think it has like a 2 medi

thats it

i always thought it might of been a required generator spawn since there's two non-interactable generators in there

but it isn't

[topaz anvil]

There was a generator in there but i personally think they fucked up objective spawns for that level so it only spawned in the spitter zone

[tacit zealot]

yes

that is also what i believe

[sharp whale]

how much of the level is left if I already passed the reactor room in D1

[olive knot]

anyone know the best level to test killing scouts? like where a scout appears near the beginning of the level

[tiny tundra]

B1

On the topic of scouts, can the bat kill scouts in one hit (I'm assuming if it can it's in the back of the head)? Also, if you hit a scout directly with c-foam from a launcher will it scream or freeze before it can? I've always used grenades

[minor fractal]

B2, supply zone on the left.

[minor fractal]

Scouts don't care about c-foam at all, even if they get fully foamed.

[jaunty bear]

@tiny tundra It can if you hit 'em right.

It's just the hammers arc is more reliable

[mellow mauve]

Yo, mind if I ask a few questions about D3 PE

Any faster ways of terminating the error alarm from Overload?

Most teams I've run into in matchmaking use the method where 3 people defend and 1 person sneaks to 27-something to turn off the alarm

[floral acorn]

only way unless 4 dudes blast the tank city and the rooms behind it

its designed and optimised for a sneak-split, and not just that part of the level either

[mellow mauve]

I think I walked into a player that says there's a way to cheese the cocoon room/tank room

but I never got to see him show it

[midnight gazelle]

Have 2 people sneak in and have 2 people defend. You can do an alarm skip.

Before you deactivate the alarm, have the other person pull the alarm door then deactivate alarm

[mellow mauve]

You can skip the alarm leading to 278?

[midnight gazelle]

the class 4 alarm after the overload error

I can show you if you want

[mellow mauve]

so pull the alarm then deactivate the alarm at the terminal, it terminates both?

[midnight gazelle]

Sort of

[mellow mauve]

Anything you need to do specifically to make this cheese work?

[midnight gazelle]

The alarm will spawn a wave of shadows but then it will stop spawning because the command will terminate the spawn

[mellow mauve]

aaaah

[midnight gazelle]

The people defending need to be in the same room as where the error spawns

The shadows WILL run through the room with the tank

and if the people defending are not two rooms away from the tank room, the shadows will scream in the room and wake the tanks

[mellow mauve]

Hmmm so which zone should the 2 defenders be

the spawn area is like 4 rooms away from the alarm

[midnight gazelle]

its hard to explain over chat but i can show you if you have time

[mellow mauve]

Can you show me on a map in DMs?

[midnight gazelle]

if you can send me a map of the level sure

[solid spear]

Just scroll abit in the stream community page you'll find the maps

[fleet vessel]

very late response, but about half

[viscid wolf]

its more like 3/4s