gtfo-related-questions

[distant ice]

Do them on different levels

[ruby wasp]

^

3 main objectives of 3 different levels = 1 cosmetic

6 main objectives of 6 different levels = another cosmetic

etc

[coral field]

hey im practicing how to do solo expeditions im doing really well so far except when I get completely over run because the level layout isn't very good for any position regarding turrets. ive seen on youtube people kite out large groups of enemies through doors and come back to finish the security/bio scan which im attempting to do but would like any tips on that matter. Or in any other tips I could learn to dealing with a mass amount of enemies when running solo in general much appreciated in advance

[uneven drift]

Try to DM those people. MAYBE they will provide a helpful answer because doing solo runs is mostly about just playing them

Also I have a question myself. I have my crouch key set to left ALT key. Problem is I cannot reload while sitting (hold to crouch) so I am forced to stand up. Is this fixable?

[craggy pier]

[uneven drift]

ACTUALLY

I just realized how

Just gotta change the key in my logitech gaming software

Ez

How come I just realized it after I asked for help 😆

Although, how I gonna ALT Tab then.....

[floral pecan]

could have to do with keyboard ghosting

it's a phenomenom where by holding a certain key, you can't press others, and it's just a keyboard problem. Try it in any other game and see if it lets you press them

if it is a keyboard problem, even in a text document it shouldn't work

[uneven drift]

Ehh, I guess I can try. Ima do another 30min research on google how to get rid of it

[floral pecan]

i had it a while ago, had to change keyboard entirely

[uneven drift]

Def not gonna change my 250€ keyboard 😂

[floral pecan]

250? just open up a text document and see if it works

i'd expect such a keyboard to not have ghosting

[uneven drift]

Ofc, that's why I doubt it's my keyboard and more like about software or binding settings

[floral pecan]

very likely, it's usually an issue of lower end keyboards. good luck in that case

[uneven drift]

[crimson mist]

do terminals change locations when you die?

[desert falcon]

nope terminals are fixed

[crimson mist]

ty

[latent obsidian]

This is more of a question for the devs really, and probably premature seeing as the game has only been released recently, but what is the vision for how rundowns will work in say 5 years time? Will these be procedural, or will the team continue to write lore, story, and level setups over the game's life? At some point will the game be content complete in terms of enemies, mechanics, guns, etc. how will it progress from there? @shadow flower do you know about the long term goals?

[floral pecan]

1 thing i can tell you is:

• currently they use a randomly generated map and edit it to give it an unique feel.
• they want to optimize this system to a point where they need to edit even less to bring more levels

that'll be hard to do given how unique levels feel a lot of times, but as far as i'm aware that's the direction they want to go (may be wrong)

[latent obsidian]

Thats neat, I didn't know the maps were being mostly randomly generated already. I can see how familiar rooms are reused and blend into each other already but I had no idea if that was still a very manual process or not.

[vital sierra]

they randomly generate them but they can also manually pick one of the tile and make it even more unique

[boreal timber]

I just got the game, any tips?

[floral acorn]

welcome 🙂 .. launch a1 w/ friends or bots, enjoy the tutorial

[boreal timber]

I don't have any friends who have the game, how does Matchmaking work?

[floral acorn]

you'll most probably find games using it, also #how-to-matchmake and #lfg-beginners here are great (might be even better than mm) .. but i would strongly encourage getting a feel for movement and guns and stealth etc w/ bots first

[fleet vessel]

much better than mm tbh

unless mm got better after release

[floral pecan]

Match making works, i advise against it and to use LFG instead

also, don't buy the game if you plan to rely on bots. It was ment to be played with 4 people for the "most fun". Bots can work, but i doubt you'll like them much the more you use them

[floral acorn]

^

[boreal timber]

alright

thanks

[floral pecan]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[floral pecan]

here ^

i advise to try with beginners

[shadow flower]

What others have said: the Rundown system is continuing with content drops, story and all that jazz. The levels are more handcrafted than generated, and that’s because we want to have players doing strategies, rethinking actions and so on.

[golden flax]

Quick question, can you unlock more apparel after completing the whole rundown? I've seen different helmets and cool stuff that i'd like, but i don't know if i can unlock anything else

[floral pecan]

not if you have completed the whole rundown

which means doing secondaries and overloads too

.t vanity items

[uneven gulch]

Sorry, unable to find a tag named vanity items.

[floral pecan]

sigh

.t vanity rewards

[uneven gulch]

You get one reward for completing each of the challenges in the 'Prisoner Apparel Requisition' list shown below. Rewards are selected from various pools. Additional reward chances will be available with future content drops (e.g., New Rundown releases)

https://imgur.com/a/eond8uF

[golden flax]

thx for the answer

that's unfortunate i wanted to play and get some more clothes 😦

i'll get them later i suppose

[rigid sinew]

just switch keys quickly
that's what I do

[uneven drift]

@rigid sinew Thanks but I found an even better solution

Just disabling Nvidia Overlay

apparantly there was a key shortcut for ALT + R enabling performance overlay

the issue is now no more

[rigid sinew]

ah

lmao

that makes more sense

[uneven drift]

))

[brisk coral]

I've not been keeping up with the lore, but since we now have the customizable appearances- are we still playing as those 4 characters, or are they elsewhere?

Also- is there anywhere with an up to date collection of what the customization options are?

[warm yew]

Same 4 people

[brisk coral]

Hm.

[pulsar sage]

does everybody need to complete D1 before playing D2 or is it enough if just the lobbyhost has done D1?

[lilac fulcrum]

Only the host needs to

[pulsar sage]

ok cool thx

[midnight gazelle]

Guys is sawed off the best gun?

[rigid sinew]

[modest vault]

C1: Navigation tips?

[fleet vessel]

.. Navigation?
Map?

[modest vault]

Yea the level

R6C1

The name of the level is navigation

[fleet vessel]

ah

[modest vault]

Sorry for the confusion :c

[fleet vessel]

what part of it exactly?

[jaunty bear]

are you doing it solo or with a team?

[fleet vessel]

^ also really important

also BS or TS (BotSolo or TrueSolo)

[jaunty bear]

[modest vault]

Team

[modest vault]

Finale

[jaunty bear]

long scan?

that should be the final part

recommendation: bring 2 sentries at least, place all the way at the top

this will kill off a few enemies every wave

otherwise, coordinating between covering each other and not shooting your team is a good start

if theres a specific section of the finale u need some tips on, ask away

[modest vault]

near the staircase to the end around 94%

[steel valley]

don't push the scan when they're on the stairs

kill them all and move up when it's clear

the wave spawns far enough away that you should have enough time to finish the scan as it arrives

[fleet vessel]

ah, the death-corner

[fluid echo]

Is it true that if you stand still while scout tentacles go out they won’t trigger on you if they touch you?

[topaz anvil]

they will

[midnight gazelle]

Stay away from tentacles unless you are going in for the hammer kill

[viscid wolf]

I think you're confusing that with if you stand right under a scout the tentacles will miss you

[fluid echo]

Lol it wasn’t me, some dude that had the game for 2 days was trying to convince me

Gotta love em

[midnight gazelle]

If you crouch in a scan, the scan goes faster

[thin pine]

wait what

no shot

[covert apex]

that's not true

[fluid echo]

Lmao

[loud granite]

holding the hacking tool out makes it faster, also allows you to run further cus its the lighest object-

[dark fern]

How much damage does mine deal? I want to know the %boost needed to one shot a giant

[topaz anvil]

more than 1

[viscid wolf]

you need more than 2

[median forge]

I’d assume around 50ish%

If you’re going for mine damage might as well go all the way

[loud granite]

they survive with barely any hp so prob any%

i rarely run them, but one is usually plenty enough

[median forge]

Mines do less damage at a distance correct? In a sense would increasing the damage also scale the effective range?

[viscid wolf]

no

just the damage of the range

[loud granite]

its fixed damage in a 2m long cone

[median forge]

Damn

[distant ice]

What are you on about

A mine deals around 40% of giant striker hp

[loud granite]

rly? cus a single shotgun shell after a mine is enough to kill in my experience

[distant ice]

You sure you're not mistaking it with scattergun kekw

Mines can headshot which is where 2 mines kill comes from but that's still not enough for one shotgun shot to kill after a mine

[viscid wolf]

wait mines can headshot?

[distant ice]

Been a known thing since R2

Well didn't try in R6 tbh but doubt it's ninja changed

[loud granite]

my shotgun is just built different

[distant ice]

Probably worth testing

[indigo moat]

oh this is where i ask question

so uhm is the dmr still not a 1 shot headshot kill?

[stoic breach]

It one-shots, shooters. It still needs head and body shot for strikers

Back of the head, I believe it kills all smalls in one shot.

[indigo moat]

the dmr is the 2 shot burst fire right?

[stoic breach]

no. DMR is single shot.

Unless you mean like to kill.

[indigo moat]

alrighty is it good if ur team isnt doing the whole dmr smg tactic

[stoic breach]

DMR+SMG is a good main duo.

[indigo moat]

well im saying if ur team is incopetent and isnt going to do that?

[stoic breach]

Ah. Eh, there's enough ammo to where I don't think that's a major problem

If people aren't competent in their headshots, it's kinda not good.

[indigo moat]

so if im a good headshotter its good?

are there any weopons with a red dot sight or something like one?

and i notice they finally made different mellee weopons, what is each one good for or is there some new meta where only 1 weopon is viable?

[stoic breach]

1. Yes
2. Uh... I guess AR would be closest, but not really.

3. Not really, but hammer is just the best overall.

[indigo moat]

hammer is still the best for stealth?

i thought the knife would be better

[stoic breach]

Knife is best for smalls. Spear is best for bigs (very easy to solo). Bat is stagger god. Hammer just does everything

[indigo moat]

so knife is good for general stealth, spear is for specialized stealth and i suppose bat is best for kiting?

then hammer is all 3?

[earnest pulsar]

yes, hammer is still the best

[indigo moat]

will i suffer greatly by taking the knife

[topaz anvil]

I was about to say no switch axe is but I forgor this is the gtfo discord

[earnest pulsar]

you would suffer the most if you took the bat

[topaz anvil]

trueee

[indigo moat]

is the bat bad or something?

[topaz anvil]

Knife unironically the second best weapon behind Sledge

[stoic breach]

Bat is 2nd best

[indigo moat]

so as he said earlier the spear is best for bigs? whats the stats for that

[stoic breach]

spear just solos bigs the best

[indigo moat]

like do spears one shot them or something

?

[stoic breach]

no u just got a lot of range

[topaz anvil]

you know what else has a lot of range

[indigo moat]

so the spear doesnt one shot bigs?

it just has more range making them easier to take down?

[topaz anvil]

nothing one shots giants without help

[stoic breach]

imagine forgetting sniper

[topaz anvil]

Unless its a special gun

[stoic breach]

Yes

[indigo moat]

so yould still have to do the 4 person melee takedown with spears in order to kill them stealthly

?

[topaz anvil]

no

you can 2 person stealth them :^)

3 is proper stealth

2 is advanced stealth

1 is hacking :^)

[stoic breach]

He's just salty he can't solo a giant with spear

[indigo moat]

so what is best for the levels with multiple giants a single sniper or 2 spears?

[topaz anvil]

I never use spear

[stoic breach]

Well the answer is never use spear

[topaz anvil]

If its C1 you are mentioning just stealth i

so much easier

[indigo moat]

oh when doing stealth are the charge amounts still the same for knife as hammer

[topaz anvil]

If it isn't a knife, you can easily stealth giants

[stoic breach]

knife has incredibly fast charge up

[indigo moat]

like is it possible to do the one tap to the back of the head with a knife as it is with a hammer

[stoic breach]

like smalls?

unsure

[indigo moat]

oh im talking about smaller creatures of the abyss now

[topaz anvil]

The damage output is different

but you can kill smalls in 1 go

[weary mesa]

hammer no longer does that on strikers

[rigid sinew]

just sync the room

[indigo moat]

wait so does that mean the crackheads doing triple taps can no longer do triple taps?

[topaz anvil]

they can

[weary mesa]

they can

just with knife

[topaz anvil]

Knife is great for cluster kills

[indigo moat]

see thats what i was looking for

[topaz anvil]

Should've just asked

:^)

[rigid sinew]

use bat smh

better knoife

[indigo moat]

so how do cluster kills work with knifes/

[topaz anvil]

You charge

and hit the heads

one after the other

[indigo moat]

full charge each time?

[topaz anvil]

yes

takes like 0.5ms

[indigo moat]

okay

and hammer can no longer single tap to the back of the head?

[radiant obsidian]

nah, those monsters developed thicker skull

[weary mesa]

damn .5ms

That's insane

[indigo moat]

half a millisecond what kinda arm does that prisoner have

[topaz anvil]

0.5ns

[stoic breach]

you cannot 0-charge strikers anymore. You can do it to shooters.

[indigo moat]

wait they reversed their health bars cause i remeber shooters being tougher than strikers

[weary mesa]

Never been a thing

[topaz anvil]

shooters have a higher damage multiplier

[indigo moat]

and just to clarify full charge knife to the head or to the back of the head is instant kill?

[topaz anvil]

to the head

[weary mesa]

Shooters have higher precision multi

[indigo moat]

for both small types?

anywhere on the head

[spark cave]

is the hel revolver any good

[indigo moat]

full charge knife kills?

[ruby wasp]

ofc it is

[spark cave]

lol okay, ill have to try it out

ive been using burst rifle and heavy assault rife

[indigo moat]

is bunny hopping glitch still a think or did they finally patch it

[stoic breach]

technically still doable, but the fix makes it pretty much unusable

[indigo moat]

thank god i hated that bug

people kept being like, "if you cant abbuse this bug and make the game completely non stealth like at all your bad"

the developers made a stealth horror co-op not a lets speedrun these levels doing completely non stealth things and it pestered me, so that means all the levels can be beat through normal stealth?

[topaz anvil]

Always could be

[stoic forge]

so for this booster, how exactly would I go about equipping the hacking tool during a bioscan? do i have to be hacking soemthing during a bioscan?

[topaz anvil]

Press 7

[stoic forge]

im talking about the booster that grants 15% bioscan speed but has the condition of having your hackingt ool equipped

[serene vault]

press 7 to pull out hacking tool

[stoic forge]

oh I see

[topaz anvil]

1-7 is your best friend

[stoic forge]

tyty

[olive plank]

hey, can you hop into a group that is going to a level you haven't unlocked yet or do you have to unlock the level yourself to play on it with others?

[midnight gazelle]

If it’s locked, you cannot host. You can join a lobby that you dont have unlocked tho

I dont recommend it though

Players typically get pissed if you don’t have the prerequisites unlocked because they wanna get the lvl done

[olive plank]

Okay, thank you for telling me. I just bought the game and in the beginner chat there weren't any recent A1's so I guess I'll just have to make my own lobby. Thank you very much @midnight gazelle !

[midnight gazelle]

Yeah, if you are new.. please dont jump into D1

[olive plank]

XD, wasn't planning on going that far, was gonna stop at C1 but that is clearly still bad.

[midnight gazelle]

Do A1 and B1 then start jumping around a little

For the non-story levels

[jaunty bear]

just for clarification - c1 is a massive jump from a1

youre expected to handle your own well by then

[craggy pier]

when are the devs planning on patching the d4 datacube game reload bug

[rigid sinew]

in 20222

[smoky mist]

What’s wrong with d4

[rigid sinew]

bug, can lock some players in a certain zone when picking a specific data cube

[weary mesa]

Nothing

[rigid sinew]

I think

[weary mesa]

It's CP that's the problem

[rigid sinew]

ye

[weary mesa]

eh actually if it's the dimensions change thing then it's that

[smoky mist]

Oh didn’t experience that one

Only bug I ever get is Audio memory leak lol

[weary mesa]

Something with not being in the first dimension on a play through

So it sends you to a different place cause it didnt track your location

[smoky mist]

So the cp for data cube before u go back go spawn world?

[weary mesa]

Don't think it's a CP thing

might be though

[smoky mist]

So like any data cube might cause it? Or a specific one

[minor fractal]

Thought it was related to rejoining and late joining while in a dimension.

[weary mesa]

Wonder if you stay out of the zone when you swap dimensions

if that'll fix it

[weary mesa]

^

[vital sierra]

if you're scared of that, just stay together when teleport

[craggy pier]

but datacubes are dumb

devs patch please

[vital sierra]

but never the player

[weary mesa]

They're not even that bad, just barely tested

[craggy pier]

but what about my pc crashing

[vital sierra]

ye, it's YOUR pc crashing

[craggy pier]

but it allows me to crash YOUR pc

[weary mesa]

that do be a you thing

damn

[vital sierra]

that do be a YOU thing

[craggy pier]

...

[tranquil elk]

how much special weapon damage from boosters do you need for scattergun to feel like pre nerf scatter?

[smoky mist]

Prob more ammo? Still 2 shots mom and 1 shots giants

[weary mesa]

probably around 50%

[spark cave]

is the dmr any good?

[stoic breach]

Probably the best main in the game, if you can click heads.

[quasi dome]

is there a gore setting in game?

[rigid sinew]

no

[fluid echo]

Dmr feels worse than the hel revolver tho

[viscid wolf]

it's hard to use

[fluid echo]

The only difference is the dmr one shot shooters right?

Less ammo

[viscid wolf]

I think similar ammo lemme check

[fluid echo]

Dmr has less ammo for sure

[viscid wolf]

yeah

a bit less

[finite plinth]

i miss old dmr's rof

😭

[spark cave]

i really dont like the scope on the dmr

[austere fractal]

hel revolver makes you feel like a cowboy and for that it is superior

[rough moss]

Do the bots in the game have some weird ai programming where they won't shoot first reliably? bots wouldn't reliably attack five strikers, was this a once off or is this expected, because i don't want to try B2 again.

[wary linden]

if an enemy enters there melee range, they will swap to their melee weapons and try to kill said enemy with it. even if there are multiple other targets. the best thing would be for you to reposition away from that horde of enemies while getting rid of the closer enemies

if you are doing B2 secondary with bots, having the c-foam launcher on you for the uplinks will make that one uplink where enemies spawns 1 room away less stressful

[finite plinth]

why not 2 burst so you'll have nothing to worry about if you're fast with uplinks, at most there will be 3 to 4 waves by the time you're done

[wary linden]

if he is asking for more info about the game, i would assume he might be new and so possibly slow on said stuff

[finite plinth]

then burst is an even better choice because without recfoaming, it'll hold for only 2 codes or 1 if you're not fast

[viscid wolf]

so much mudrock

[finite plinth]

i've always liked mudbonk since the anniversary stream 2 years ago

wait is it 3

[hard dove]

Question. With the bots is there any way to finagle them into doing stealth kills with me?

[pearl badger]

big doubts, but stealth is always soloable

[neon gust]

I have a full doc on redddit

on bots if you wanna learn some of the stuff about them

[rough moss]

Where would i find it.

[neon gust]

#guides-and-reviews

[pulsar stirrup]

How far can you get with just bots for teammates?

[austere fractal]

you can clear the entire rundown

[pulsar stirrup]

Bruh

I had big trouble on A1

[austere fractal]

were you ordering the bots around?

aside from the bio tracker, you need to order them to use their tools

[neon gust]

Its gonna be troublesome and will require a bunch of mircomanaging

but you can beat the entire rundown with bots

[pulsar stirrup]

You can do that?

Huh

[austere fractal]

Yes, you can tell the bots to deploy sentries/mines/etc

they're kinda shit at using cfoam but they can do it

[neon gust]

also they tend to get stuck in some places so you have to kick them out of your game and add them back

[pulsar stirrup]

Oh, okay, thanks

[austere fractal]

Try bringing the cfoam launcher yourself

[pulsar stirrup]

Yeah I had that idea

[austere fractal]

having one bot with mines, and two with sentries OR one with sentry and one with a bio tracker

Bots are actually really fuckin good at biotracker

Everything active gets pinged and they constantly voice line you about nearby sleeping enemies

or if there's enemies in the next room

[neon gust]

THE PINGER SAYS WE ARE DEAD

I DO NOT TRUST THE TRACKER, TOO MANY ENEMIES

every solid 5 second

[austere fractal]

IME the lines re triggered based on doors

[neon gust]

ping ping ping ping

[austere fractal]

when you approach a new door they scan the next room and voice line you

so if you're near a new door all the time it'll be pretty constant

[pulsar stirrup]

I honestly thought you had no control over the bots

[neon gust]

middle of T scan on C1

ping ping ping

[pulsar stirrup]

Then again I've only been playing for around 6 hours in total

[neon gust]

I love bots with bio but my god they dont shut up lmao

[austere fractal]

if you hit Q 5 2 and tell it to deploy a sentry you even get the UI asking you where to put it, mayo

same for mines

[pulsar stirrup]

Ayo

[austere fractal]

the holographic thing that tells you where it'd go

[pulsar stirrup]

Well, will be fun trying it out, thanks again

[austere fractal]

better that they don't stfu than they miss a call 🙂

[neon gust]

bruh

[fluid echo]

If I see someone beat c2, c3 and D3 all PE then I’d believe it

I don’t think it’s realistic to beat those with bots

[pearl badger]

its defenitely doable.

[neon gust]

Playing with 3 bots its the same mentality as solo

its about how much time you wanna invest on it to make it true

its definitely possible

[lapis mauve]

c2 wouldnt be bad with bots, you can make them carry the cargo and cell

[finite plinth]

there are spots where you can solo tank in c3

and you can just hold until extraction is open then start doing ex

c2 shouldn't be too bad but bots being able to make mama birth is pretty cringe

[flat rock]

All three of these have already been done iirc lol

[noble sierra]

Solo, yes. With bots? Don't recall seeing yet.

[flat rock]

I know someone who has done C2 and C3 PE with bots

I thought I recalled seeing them in here too

May be misremembering though

[floral pecan]

i mean if you can solo them, you probably can do it with bots too i'd guess

as far as i'm aware, bots don't make it harder, but i don't use them so i may be wrong

[tacit zealot]

every level has been solo'd

i imagine that C3 will be easier with bots

but D3 will be quite harder dealing with them

since its mostly cheese kiting

[uneven drift]

Is it just me or where is the art channel? I swear there was a channel with people drawing stuff

k nvm, found it #arts-and-crafts

[faint spire]

did they remove regen cap boosters?

[desert falcon]

nope

[faint spire]

ah i thought they did cus i havent seen a single one

[desert falcon]

wait, one sec I might be wrong

[fleet vessel]

don't think so

[faint spire]

if they removed then sadge cus ive been holding a muted one since forever

for that fat 3 regen cap booster run

[fleet vessel]

it's RNG but I'm fairly certain I recently got one regen cap muted, but it's like really weak

[desert falcon]

should still be there yeah

[faint spire]

20%?

thats mine

but thats from last rundown

[neon gust]

Its rng

they still there

[finite plinth]

regen cap muted can already let you survive double tongues and a single giant tongue

it's really good

[fleet vessel]

wasn't it that a cap increase of +20% means that it's 20% higher of the normal, so 24?

[frail pecan]

Guys what does prisoners efficiency mean?

[ruby wasp]

.t sectors

[uneven gulch]

Sectors are a mechanic which adds optional objectives to the game, ranging from altering the game state to adding other objectives. The following sectors are available:
Primary
Secondary
Overload (Third Sector)
Prisoner efficiency (All three Sectors in the same run)

Multiple sectors can be completed at the same time, however you always need to do the Primary/Main sector.

[frail pecan]

Thank you

[winter yarrow]

whats the command to activate vents
?

[craggy pier]

Okay, is C3 Secondary or D2 Secondary easier with 2 bots?

[midnight gazelle]

activate_air_filtration?

[midnight gazelle]

Bots suck dick

[craggy pier]

Yes, but my friend refuses to play with rando's

[midnight gazelle]

The fuck, why?

[craggy pier]

General animosity against people he doesn't personally know the playstyle of

[midnight gazelle]

If you can play with bots, you’ll have a much easier time with randos

Most randos in C3 and D2 know how to play

[finite plinth]

reset air filtration
air filtration startup
spaces are underscores

[midnight gazelle]

As a person that completed the rundown with only randos, it really isn’t that bad

[craggy pier]

Like, its not against randos here specifically, but in general, lol

[winter yarrow]

@midnight gazelle ya

[midnight gazelle]

ya

[craggy pier]

Hence, if we had to pick between C3 and D2 secondary, which is easier

[midnight gazelle]

Uhhh

C3 secondary imo

D2 secondary has this shitty alarm you have to do which is basically a surge class alarm

[craggy pier]

mmh, we have already done the B2 secondary, hence, we just need one more for another cosmetic drop

[midnight gazelle]

C2 secondary?

C2 secondary is easy

[craggy pier]

We found C2 itself worse than d2 main and c3

But again, we both absolutely despise poison

Will probably try it if we can get a 3rd player in our group

[midnight gazelle]

There is a disinfection station

And at that point, fog isn’t in the level

So once you get to secondary, it’s easy

[craggy pier]

Oh yeah, its just that the cluster alarm for the first fog turbine gave us ptsd, lol

[midnight gazelle]

Spoiler for C2 secondary:
You have to ||complete an S1 scan||
Then ||carry cargo crate with error alarm of hybrids||

And you have a checkpoint basically right before so

You can just retry

[tacit zealot]

it's much harder than the other two imo

[midnight gazelle]

It’s not that hard. Finished it 2nd try

[tacit zealot]

.. and how many tries have you finished

not everyone has had your expeirence

[midnight gazelle]

3 secondary completes

[tacit zealot]

not bad

idk most groups i play with manage the error bad, and ammo as well

it gets really chaotic with the scouts and poor door management,

most chaos compared to other levels

[midnight gazelle]

It’s hard to adapt to hybrid errors

[tacit zealot]

especially when scattergun low ammo

you have to be holding ammo packs

[midnight gazelle]

That’s actually why i wiped on my first try. Didnt expect hybrid alarm

[tacit zealot]

my first try was so many attempts ;-;

[midnight gazelle]

Scatter used to be really good. Honestly, bring sniper

[tacit zealot]

it's easy mode no aim lo

[midnight gazelle]

Doesnt one shot anymore

So not worth jt

[tacit zealot]

It can, can't it?

pretty sure it can

yeah it can

[rigid sinew]

C2ex is hard cause bad synchronisation in the teams
like one run we were with last scout, it screamed, and one of the idiots cfoamed a door while the objective items were behind it
I was literally the only one carrying shit

[tacit zealot]

fo sure

[midnight gazelle]

If it is partially damaged it can

[tacit zealot]

that's not one shot if partially damaged

it can one shot

i was playing d2 the other day and you can one shot big chargers ezpz

[midnight gazelle]

I havent been able to get one shot on hybrids unless you hit back

Im just used to being able to run up to it in the front and blam

Ded

[tacit zealot]

maybe if you get more head shot it helps?

[midnight gazelle]

Can also one shot charger scouts

[midnight gazelle]

If you wanna get headshots, use sniper smh

[tacit zealot]

choke mod can also get charger scout

[midnight gazelle]

More ammo

[midnight gazelle]

I know

[tacit zealot]

hipfire enjoyer peepo run

[craggy pier]

Aight, 2 sentries or 1 c-foam on C3 secondary?

[rigid sinew]

choke mod gigachads rise up

[midnight gazelle]

3 sentries one mine

[craggy pier]

You sure we dont want scanner?

[tacit zealot]

i like scanner

[midnight gazelle]

I completed without bio

So its possible

[rigid sinew]

for C3, 2 sentries, 1 mine, 1 tracker or another sentry

[craggy pier]

I just thought the scanner made the sentries better

[tacit zealot]

i don't have much problem holding with 2 sentri

[midnight gazelle]

Actually lemme check my completion screenshot

[tacit zealot]

since most door mine anyway

[midnight gazelle]

Doesnt actually

[rigid sinew]

or cfoam if you want a guy permafoaming for a bit

[craggy pier]

mmh mmh

[tacit zealot]

Scanner only lets sentries hit shadows, thats literally the onlny interaction

[midnight gazelle]

Bio is good for sentries when they are shadows

[tacit zealot]

and no shadows except for d3

[midnight gazelle]

Ah fuck i cant check my screenshot, i didnt publish it on my steam lmao

D3 is my favorite level

For this rundown

[rigid sinew]

I feel :sadge: when my team carries 2 sentries
less tool ammo for me 😔

[tacit zealot]

I feel the waves pile up fast enough that there aren't much opporutnites to use foam at all

[midnight gazelle]

I believe waves do queue if you dont kill them all quickly

Ive had like 2 waves spawn at once before smh

[ruby wasp]

I'm pretty sure it does help autosentry aims better at pinged enemies

Except if they removed that in R6

[tacit zealot]

That might be checkpoint, you can get double waves if you reload a checkpoint

[midnight gazelle]

Doubt it but why would you use auto sentry :/

[tacit zealot]

lul auto sentry

[midnight gazelle]

Possibly

[ruby wasp]

Because R4E1 early strats ?

[tacit zealot]

I got double waves today lol had to restart the run after several tries

it's so cancer

[midnight gazelle]

Thats R4

[tacit zealot]

maybe triple waves idk

[midnight gazelle]

Im saying for R6

Auto was meta on r4

[ruby wasp]

That's why i'm saying "except if they removed it in R6"

Auto wasn't meta in R4 lmao

Tf are you on

[tacit zealot]

Well before extension and sniper was added

[ruby wasp]

Even before

[midnight gazelle]

Was there shotgun sentry?

[tacit zealot]

you'd always take a auto and a burst

[ruby wasp]

Shotgun sentry didn't exist in R4

[midnight gazelle]

It was only r3 as i thought

[ruby wasp]

No ?

R2

[tacit zealot]

^

[midnight gazelle]

Ah

Didnt play r2

[steel valley]

r1

[neon gust]

R1 2 3 had shotgun swntry

[midnight gazelle]

Played r3 and abv

[ruby wasp]

showotgun sentwy

[tacit zealot]

maybe that's for the better

[craggy pier]

Wait, do we get a checkpoint at the C3 secondary bulkhead?

[ruby wasp]

No

[midnight gazelle]

But auto is just shit this rundown honestly

[neon gust]

Its hella useful

Wachu mean

[tacit zealot]

there would be no point since you get main checkpoint shortly after

[ruby wasp]

It's hella useful when you know how to use it

[midnight gazelle]

There is a checkpoint near c3 secondary

[ruby wasp]

aka not using it to kill enemies during alarms

[midnight gazelle]

But dont use the checkpoint on c3 since it’s helpa broken

[ruby wasp]

which new players tend to forget

[craggy pier]

Ah, its just that we haven't tried the c3 secondary, the c3 normal checkpoint is at the 14 minutes door after all

[midnight gazelle]

Might just be shit this rundown because burst is broken rn

[neon gust]

Theyre literally for two different purposes

[midnight gazelle]

I finished the entire rundown with burst as the only sentry so

Shows it didn’t really help me

[tacit zealot]

i've seen auto***** sentry taken like once or twice this whole rundown lol

[midnight gazelle]

Thus it is shit to me

[rigid sinew]

wake a giant? auto sentry
wake a shooter? auto sentry
have homework? auto sentry
broken marriage? a u t o s e n t r y

[midnight gazelle]

Burst was the only sentry i took

[ruby wasp]

The worst i've witnessed was triggering scouts with autosentries

[neon gust]

Ok

[tacit zealot]

auto*

lol

[midnight gazelle]

And then they slightly nerfed it

Oh

[neon gust]

I can take auto sentry and do the same

[ruby wasp]

It's freaking written "LOW DAMAGE"

[covert apex]

auto > burst

[ruby wasp]

but because it has lots of ammo, people think low dmg * high ammo = high DPS

[tacit zealot]

auto pistol > burst rifle
sorry arugment over

[rigid sinew]

me>sentry

[midnight gazelle]

YES

[covert apex]

all of gtfo-chat their moms > gtfo

[ruby wasp]

more like high tool consumption considering the shitty accuracy

[midnight gazelle]

Auto pistol best weapon

[tacit zealot]

auto sentry is good on d4 probabyl

and c1

[midnight gazelle]

Eh

[tacit zealot]

that first surge

i gues

[midnight gazelle]

It’s good on the surge at the beginning but even i finished it with burst

So

Not needed

[tacit zealot]

maybe as a moving sentry doing reactor skip

[midnight gazelle]

Honestly

[tacit zealot]

flare i think everyone beat it with burst

[midnight gazelle]

I think C2 secondary is the best for auto

Since you can stagger the s1 and the hybrids

[tacit zealot]

surely not with the hybrids, you just stockpile the waves when you should be focused on kiling them

[rigid sinew]

tbh the tool consumption is not that bad
the problem is letting it shoot indefinitely at single target (unless you are going for discount cfoam, which in that case I guess it is fine)
the point is you are supposed to kill whatever it is shooting at
basically a crutch I guess

[midnight gazelle]

Use the hybrid from running towards you and kill them

The auto*

[tacit zealot]

Use the auto from running towards you and kill them

Use the hybrid from running towards auto and kill them

[midnight gazelle]

Stfu im drunk

[tacit zealot]

haha

[midnight gazelle]

Anyway

You are literally just trying to keep the hybrids away from the scout killer

[tacit zealot]

normally just perma foam, that's what i do

[midnight gazelle]

You actually could just try to stun lock them from stagger

Then once all the scouts are gone

[tacit zealot]

i mean if you have the sentry shooting you're going to wake up the scout

[midnight gazelle]

Mine and cfoam

[tacit zealot]

then you'd close the door

which you may as well foam while killing scout

[midnight gazelle]

Sentries work differently from guns

[tacit zealot]

do they not make as big noise?

small noise pogfish?

[midnight gazelle]

Sentries only wake up enemies if they have line of sight of the sentry

[craggy pier]

Huh, the wiki has mixed up the overload and extreme objectives on C3

[rigid sinew]

imagine if auto had 1 target piercing

[craggy pier]

That would make it a very nice swarm delayer

[tacit zealot]

I don't know how much I trust this

can anyone confirm

[midnight gazelle]

I trust it since i used it during an alarm where a mother was sleeping in the other room

[tacit zealot]

so it was only sentry shooting and no one using gun

[midnight gazelle]

Nah

[tacit zealot]

cool, i will look into it later

o

?

[midnight gazelle]

Sentry was one room away

Guns were two rooms away

[tacit zealot]

is this d1

[midnight gazelle]

From mother

Ye

R5d1

[tacit zealot]

yeah

[midnight gazelle]

So yes it works

[tacit zealot]

do you reckon

if i place a sentry between two sleepers

one sleeper infront and one behind

[midnight gazelle]

Yes

[tacit zealot]

and it shoots the one infront

it won't wake up the guy behind

[midnight gazelle]

Uhh

Not what i meant lmao

Not literal line of sight

[tacit zealot]

but its behind it

like 1 room away?

[midnight gazelle]

Basically, if a wall is blocking your vision from the sleeper and it is one room away

It wont wake up if a sentry shoots

[tacit zealot]

so my line of sight

not the sentries?

maybe because enemy not loaded...hmm

[midnight gazelle]

Uhh hang on

[tacit zealot]

this is dark technology

forbiden auto sentry invisble noise tech

80% win rate in LFG

[minor fractal]

Sentries probably use similar mechanics to guns, but with less aggro range.

but if it's acually LoS based that would be interesting.

[tacit zealot]

maybe a good test is A1, open up one side start alarm, open up other side with sleepers, place sentry near that, and then see if sentry shooting wakes up the sleeprs that are 1 room away

[midnight gazelle]

Once I actually get to my dorm, I’d be down to test it lol

[minor fractal]

B2 is the best level to test it.

First zone has nice areas for it.

[tacit zealot]

true

[minor fractal]

I still need to find an area to test reactor back-waves.

[tacit zealot]

?

[midnight gazelle]

Wait

I just got the best idea

D3 after overload

Thats iffy since sleeper might have los

[tacit zealot]

I mean

perhaps its just the radius of the noise that made it so that the mother in d1 didn't wake up

like the mom was far away enough

bc i know the mom can spawn pretty far back if you're in the western key side

[midnight gazelle]

There were other sleepers in those rooms tho

And they wouldn’t wake up either

[tacit zealot]

big peepo

will try out ttomorrow then

[minor fractal]

Back-waves on reactors, it's unclear if they must spawn on reactor paths, or how far into reactor paths they must spawn.

That said, our only two reactors in R6 have no back-waves.

Actually, R6D1 I think those are technically back-waves, it's just there's nowhere behind you for them to spawn.

[craggy pier]

Wait, does C3 secondary ALWAYS feature a goddamn tank?

[minor fractal]

No.

[tacit zealot]

Overload. And yes, if overload

[minor fractal]

^

[midnight gazelle]

Overload spawns tanks i believe

[tacit zealot]

spawns 2 tanks and has 1 inside

i forgot the min marks

[midnight gazelle]

Yeah

[craggy pier]

Oh dear god

[tacit zealot]

8 and 20 after overload iirc

[minor fractal]

~8 minutes iirc.

[tacit zealot]

idk

[minor fractal]

I forget the second one's timer.

[tacit zealot]

what are back waves rayalot

[minor fractal]

Might be ~14 minutes.

[tacit zealot]

idk what back waves are

[minor fractal]

When reactors waves are not forced to spawn in the elevator zone, and therefore can spawn behind you if you open up zones back there.

[tacit zealot]

oh so R3A3

[minor fractal]

Well, they removed that.

[tacit zealot]

yeah pretty sure it fixed

along with error

waves are coded to spawn from start zone

like the ovrloderror

[minor fractal]

Back-waves are usually implemented intentionally.

Just not in the case of R3A3.

[tacit zealot]

You probably can still do that now

just they intentionally had all from start

[craggy pier]

so, like, is the strat here to just sneak when looking for the second bulkhead key? 3 players (2 bots) defending against swarms on the outside?

[tacit zealot]

bro are you playing by urself and 2 bots

[craggy pier]

2 players, 2 bots

[tacit zealot]

Sheeeesh

[minor fractal]

R2D2, R4B1 Secondary, R4D1, and R5C2 secondary all had intentional back-waves.

[tacit zealot]

yeah bosses arehard with bots sine they aren't programmed to go behind the tank

I doubt you'll have time to sneak through it before another waves comes

because you should loot as well

probably just kill it

and have one of you take a scattergun

[craggy pier]

yeah, hence, if one of us go in and sneak, and the others stay outside and shoot?

[craggy pier]

mmh, or just inexing it, eh...

[tacit zealot]

I don't believe bosses are that hard now with new weapons

[midnight gazelle]

The first time is saw a backwave it scared me

[tacit zealot]

Chokemod scattergun hel gun dmr sniper all good weapon against meatball sacks

Ah yes, i do remember R4B1 backwaves very explicitly

R4D1 and R5C2 holding spots made it so i never noticed

thats neat

i hope they make a reactor where one code is just 50/50 normal waves and backwaves

[minor fractal]

Most reactors with back-waves work that way?

There's usually a few waves that are explicitly in the elevator zone, and a few that are allowed to spawn elsewhere.

[tacit zealot]

well ye i never notice

[minor fractal]

I think they need to relearn how they do reactors with back-waves to stop dumb holds, tbh.

[steel valley]

just make them spawn on players if they're not in the reactor :)

[tacit zealot]

uplink moment

[minor fractal]

R2D2 was the first reactor that made extensive use of back-waves, and it's the only one that did it right, it doesn't seem like they understand how to balance them.

[tacit zealot]

and i didn't play that ... yet

[minor fractal]

Essentially, if you want large fights that involve back-waves, you need to associate them with free codes.

[tacit zealot]

probably works well with r2d2s linear back and forth map layout

going far east and west

[minor fractal]

If it's a terminal code, you have no reason to hold the reactor, so everyone picks some dumb af spot to fight instead.

[tacit zealot]

V true

[minor fractal]

That too, but the free codes were the main thing.

It was a 10 code reactor, so they were filling a lot of those.

[tacit zealot]

I don't think bridge tiles have been used well enough like this, how cool would it be to hold out in middle of bridge and have ppl shooting back and forth

[minor fractal]

Bro, this is why R2D2 was based.

It was a favorite back in the day.

[steel valley]

hybrids in r2d2 were beyond lethal

[tacit zealot]

there's just one problem

[steel valley]

assholes could snipe you from across the map and sniper was so shit

[tacit zealot]

having to play r2d1

q__q

[minor fractal]

R2D1 was neat. I think it's aged the best, despite being very unlikable in the day.

[tacit zealot]

idk why it hasn't been solo'd

[steel valley]

r2d1 was a fun idea implemented in the most annoying way possible

[minor fractal]

Pretty sure Plant soloed it on the BH build.

[steel valley]

^

[tacit zealot]

cool

so its just r4e1 then

[fleet vessel]

tips to deal with surge alarms? Afaik D4 has at least one, we didn't get through it when we were just poking at the mission to see what it is but died to it

[minor fractal]

I think the main issue with R2D1 was that spitters simultaneously posed a hazard for trying to clear 610 or 612 w/out pushing with fog repellers as a team while also not actually preventing you from clearing 610 and 612 solo by fog diving and pulling zones.

[steel valley]

yeah it just turned out annoying instead of actually restrictive

[tacit zealot]

i remember now

fuck that shit lol

[minor fractal]

So, most low-coordination teams were fog diving and pulling rooms even though it was a distinctly bad strategy, because it was the best strategy for them, which made the level really really annoying.

I think R5C1 had the same issue w/ respawn rooms.

Low coordination teams are probably going to alert the big rooms a few times, which meant spawn blocking was just optimal for them.

[tacit zealot]

... when the room respawns anyway when u do uplink ...

[minor fractal]

You'd mainly hold it until you could do the S, since the first big room was a room you had to clear for that alarm (at least realistically).

[tacit zealot]

Normally yeah

Get cell do S

[minor fractal]

But for some people it was also just easier than risking passage through those rooms if you were still looting.

[tacit zealot]

then go back to uplink

but that was just so far from what dev intend route

[minor fractal]

Save as many doors as possible in the second zone, especially the three doors connecting directly to the alarm room. When you're ready for the surge, clear one wave, immediately close all of the doors and foam and mine the three nearest doors, and then pull the alarm before the next error wave.

Based on where the wave spawns, you can set up on the opposite side while the other people (bio and sentries typically) clear.

You can also bring multiple c-foam launchers to make the set-up faster.

The side with two doors, you can also foam and mine the leftmost door (the further door) while waiting for the final wave you intend to clear and the error waves should ignore it.

[tacit zealot]

or you can cfoma mine the west door and open the east door and sentry funnel

[minor fractal]

Funnels don't work, or at least aren't consistent.

Trust me, my static wiped on this alarm a whole bunch trying to set up different funnels.

[tacit zealot]

my group did this for speedrun

[minor fractal]

Seems to depend heavily on where enemies spawn.

[tacit zealot]

it was okay, no problem

[neon gust]

You can funnel

[tacit zealot]

still ahve to cfoam mine west door

since different room different spawn

most enemy east tho

[minor fractal]

C-foam was the only consistent strat we found since you can abuse the global CD, otherwise they just split and you have to defend two sides halfway through.

[craggy pier]

Okay, yeah, the bots just run into the tank and die, lmao

[minor fractal]

I don't think most people could handle that.

[tacit zealot]

its good bro

trust

[neon gust]

Autosentry

[tacit zealot]

autoesntry

just dont take shotguns or troll

[minor fractal]

If you're speedrunning, and you coordinate the defense well, sure.

[tacit zealot]

It's not hard tho

[minor fractal]

But if you're just an average group you're asking to be overwhelmed.

[tacit zealot]

time to play more d4 pubs ig

oh wait, what pubs

[minor fractal]

I think you severely underestimate how hard that surge can be.

[tacit zealot]

Yes, probably

[neon gust]

Its d4 my man

You work together

Or die together

[tacit zealot]

i came

[craggy pier]

Okay, postponing C3 overload until we get a third mate, lmao

[neon gust]

Why

[craggy pier]

Because bots try to melee tank

[neon gust]

Spread out

Your two

Ping pong the tanks agroo

[tacit zealot]

just mine omeaglul

[neon gust]

I mean yes

But they should tweak bots to deal woth bosses

Or atleast not get in tbe way

[tacit zealot]

hey you should make a post about that

[neon gust]

[tacit zealot]

maybe the devs will read it

or something

idk

[neon gust]

HOPEFULLY!

Perhaps i should

[tacit zealot]

put it in food pics

then they will notice

[floral pecan]

ok so, had some fun meleeing || charger scouts || and found out they stagger. Do normal scouts do that too?

[neon gust]

If you miss yes

[neon gust]

Your not wrong

[smoky mist]

Ya You can kill scout with hel gun by spamming on it lol

[earnest pulsar]

even just with melee, ||scouts stagger||

[smoky mist]

But you can’t solo charge up and do it again?

[ruby wasp]

you won't have time indeed

however 2 players can deal with a scout that way

[smoky mist]

One player can stagger and kill with helgun tho 😎

[earnest pulsar]

and alert the other ||5 charger scouts in d2||

[fleet vessel]

can you right-click stagger scouts?

that'd be funny.

just grab a scout and stagger it all the way back to spawn with a team

[earnest pulsar]

yep

you can't shove giants, tanks and mothers

well you can but it does nothing

[fluid echo]

Ok is it just me or is the sawed off the worst main and never worth using

[shrewd dirge]

anything that isnt overshadowed by a rundown specific weapon of the same style is worth using

sawed off would otherwise be fine if scattman gun didnt exist

[tacit zealot]

if you shove a scout it insta screams

[fluid echo]

Sawed off is overshadowed by the special shotguns tho

And sniper

[fleet vessel]

yea I just tried that to test it out and it did not work

[tacit zealot]

everyone has to try once, no?

see it to believe it

[fleet vessel]

yeap^^

I was hoping I could stagger scoots with the knife but no

[tacit zealot]

Sawed off is more of a gun people like the feel of, then actual effiency

[fleet vessel]

:(

[tacit zealot]

oh hell naw

[shrewd dirge]

sniper definitely does not overshadow sawed off

[fluid echo]

Like the machine pistol

[tacit zealot]

Machine pistol is literally the most efficnect gun if all head shots

[shrewd dirge]

mp is decent though

[fluid echo]

Lol if all headshots

[tacit zealot]

but yeah lol no one take bad feel

Because it's good effiencecy, but slow as well

very slow

[shrewd dirge]

good at killing things trying to lick me

[tacit zealot]

Like this hybrid ? :>)

5 mags

[fluid echo]

I feel like the sawed off needs a reload as quick as the machine pistol

[tacit zealot]

that would be op then

since its a one shot primary

[shrewd dirge]

well, i mean, thats just a skill issue. leave the hybrid to melee or the hybrid killer

SO definitely needs a faster reload

but its got a pretty large pool of ammo

i like to take it if i take something like the heavy AR

[fluid echo]

I feel like a faster reload wouldn’t be op at all, it’s still only two shots and not very good at crowd control

[tacit zealot]

3 sohts

shots

[fluid echo]

Oh yea, point still stands tho

[shrewd dirge]

its also the easiest primary to kill scouts with

[tacit zealot]

And yeah, it's supposed to pair with crowd control specials imo

you wouldn't take sawed off and sniper, that's just troll

[finite plinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804555210902077471/929407285984391209/unknown.png

why not

[tacit zealot]

most optimal

ain't no goku loadout

tbh

[fluid echo]

Yea, I’ll give the sawed off another chance but it’s below average

Does anyone think the Machine Gun is better than the Heavy Assault? I like the bigger magazine size and ROF on the machine gun.

Plus the charge up time isn’t even a negative. It’s so low

[warped vigil]

depends on the use case

the machine gun is more of a spray and prey against large hordes

[floral pecan]

i'd always choose an heavy AR personally. Machinegun would be better only if you are a headshot machine

[warped vigil]

the heavy ar is more about picking shots but still works in such situations

personally the heavy ar is very high tier and overall more versatile and generally useful than the machine gun

also iirc it's damage to distance scale is better

[fluid echo]

IMO the machine gun is better at crowd control and if you need anything to kill big guys then you’d have someone on your team specializing in that

Yes the heavy is immoral versatile but it does those roles worse than other weapons

[warped vigil]

the heavy ar also works well for giants

[fluid echo]

Jack of all trades isn’t always better

[warped vigil]

true

[floral pecan]

kinda. heavy AR has 30 staggers per mag, machinegun has 25, potentially 50 if you headshot

on small enemies that is

lemme check the fire rate, that may save it

[fluid echo]

That’s what I’m saying, heavy ar works better at giants but youd rather have another teammate killing them rather than waste heavy ar or machine gun ammo

[warped vigil]

yes

a sniper is always useful

[floral pecan]

fire rate is a bit faster on machinegun (30ms faster)

[fluid echo]

Exactly, so a sniper would be a good weapon for a teammate to use while another teammate uses a machine gun

[warped vigil]

what's the max ammo for both?

[fluid echo]

Rather than have a heavy ar and a sniper but be worse at crowds

[dark cave]

Hello y'all, would it be totally possible to do D3 Main > Overload > Extreme? The idea is to turn off the 15min alarm along with the overload error alarm.

[floral pecan]

per mag 30 and 50, in total i don't know sadly

[warped vigil]

also the heavy ar is 1 stagger per shot while the machine gun is 1 stagger per 4 or 1 per 2

[tacit zealot]

yep, but kinda sad

[floral pecan]

i'd argue machine gun is worse at crowds cause of reloading

[dark cave]

why sad?

[floral pecan]

4 seconds of not shooting is quite a big deal

[tacit zealot]

Not intended, thats pretty much a cheese

[floral pecan]

idk how much you can lower it by animation cancelling

[fluid echo]

Machine guns reload isn’t a problem with reload cancel

In fact it’s quite quick

[warped vigil]

basically can't

[dark cave]

Ah okay. Thank you.

[warped vigil]

saves almost nothing

[fluid echo]

With the machine gun?!

[warped vigil]

i believe so

[tacit zealot]

I. mean, if you really struggle with extreme, I guess you can try

[fluid echo]

Yes it does, it skips the weapon rack

It’s insanely quick with the cancel

[tacit zealot]

But D3 secondary is all about rushing rooms and killing scouts quickly rather than doing it steathily @dark cave

[modest vault]

C2: Blind best tool setup?

[warped vigil]

but then consider the heavy ar cancel speed

[floral pecan]

normal or secondary?

secondary is quite specific

[dark cave]

Gotcha. I've done it on main and ext, but never overload. It was always the fog that bothers us rather than the timer.

[floral pecan]

to have an easier time that is

[fluid echo]

Yes the heavy does have a fast reload but it’s still worse at crowd control IMO

[floral pecan]

otherwise just run bio - cfoam - mine - 1 turret

[modest vault]

normal

[tacit zealot]

If you are fast enough the fog won't be too big of an issue

[warped vigil]

go burst turret

[modest vault]

is the turret stagger rounds or burst?

[warped vigil]

the sniper one doesn't work very well there

[floral pecan]

i'd overall always pick either sniper or burst

sniper is your "most efficient killer",

burst is the sentry you can place close to you to help with stagger

and do damage

auto is just a CC machine, never liked it personally.

[warped vigil]

the auto is generally still not useful in most situations

on reactors it's decent

but that's about it

[floral pecan]

the only saving grace, in my opinion, is it's lower damage

Lower damage weapons work better in a team as you are wasting less bullets

what i mean by that is, imagine me doing 19 dmg with a machinegun and someone shoots a shotgun bullet to finish off by that 1 damage

(a striker ||has 20hp)||

it will be the MOST efficient weapon in the game if you headshot most of your bullets.. good luck with that

[warped vigil]

also the heavy ar has a better feel and control to it personally

[tacit zealot]

100%

mg flash muzzle aids

muzzle flash

bright thing when shoot

[floral pecan]

overall both will do a good job, but if i'd have to pick one, it would be Heavy AR

the recoil and feel play a big part, for me at least, if i'll land my shots or not

[tacit zealot]

good scope

[fluid echo]

Yea I see yalls point but the assault rifle, machine gun combo is too good at crowd control for the team

And with a dedicated giant killer on the team it’s bueño

And with the machine gun’s more damage and ammo per refill it outshines the heavy ar in my eyes

While the heavy ar is more versatile I’d argue versatile isn’t suited in gtfo, a team is better at specializing

Especially late in c and d tier

[tacit zealot]

machinegun is more effienct

[frail pecan]

is the big flashlight useful? or it's just more brightness

[shrewd dirge]

i like the heavy AR because its easier to aim, similar dps, and it doesnt have the windup so i can burst fire if i need to.

in the end i wind up hitting more shots, missing less, and less overkilling enemies.

its also easier to hit flyers

[shrewd dirge]

the long range flashlight? yeah its pretty useful at times, but you gotta know the inns and outs of the game before you can really make the call when to use it.

[jaunty bear]

big flashlight go brr

[shrewd dirge]

otherwise its just a "yeah it exists i guess"

[jaunty bear]

but yes, you do have to know the game i suppose, especially the deeper levels to figure out why we use it

[shrewd dirge]

fwiw, if you're looking for objective items, its what i pull out to get better visibility

but thats the simplest sort of usage to it.

[jaunty bear]

on the surface, its nice to locate artifacts as wel lol

[viscid wolf]

PRAISE THE SUN

[fleet vessel]

[frail pecan]

||is there any good way to fight the shadows? I can't see them even with bio scan it's so hard||

[fleet vessel]

get better at seeing them

never not use your flashlight

constantly bio-track them

those are your only options

[jaunty bear]

honestly estlo's hit it on the dot

they are really your only options

[fleet vessel]

you'll get used to seeing them

[jaunty bear]

some lads take 2 biotrackers if they really wanna tag em permanently

otherwise, get your eyes used to it

[fleet vessel]

in the beginning I was always just dying bc I couldn't see them, by now it's gotten better

I still miss 1 or 2 off the side in chaos, but otherwise it's really just getting used to them and spotting them

[fluid echo]

If you have a bio booster take it, if not take two bios

[fleet vessel]

^

[fervent bronze]

hey i was wondering, is there any way of really taking out sleepers tightly bunched together without alerting them? cus to me it seems that if they are really close and I kill one, the other is just gonna get alerted right away

even if i wait for them to go back to sleeping state

if its only 2 i can usually kill the second before they alert anybody

but anything more becomes a problem

[jaunty bear]

note: to kill a sleeping sleeper, a half charge melee is all is needed. if they're awake, a full charge is necessary, all to the head

in the context of them being close to each other, ask your team for assistance, or try to bash 'em all before they 100% wake up

if you're quick, you can get almost all of them

[fervent bronze]

only played with bots so far

is why im asking

[jaunty bear]

ah