But thats not obvious enough
#gtfo-related-questions
ionic nexus
league of GTFO
neon slate
also range of a weapon doesn't matter alot when engagement range is usually less than 10ms kekw
daring hornet
only use long range to fuck up scout or big sleeper
distant ice
It does matter when falloff on quite a few weapons starts just past melee range
neon slate
ngl the weapon spreadsheet don't have data on range of weapons so I really don't know
distant ice
Cuz it'd be very hard to get accurate information on it
But it's noticeable on every weapon that has short range in the description
Well yes pistol especially is fucked 🤔
Unacceptable
weary relic
Falloff actually wasn’t too hard to test when Verm and I did it for R1-3
But now, just get datamined numbers 
distant ice
you can't even measure distance correctly
and sure you can get some values that cause breaks but you need to know exactly how falloff works to be able to measure it at all distances
weary relic
Yeah
Usually just take the average for health
Drop off numbers were exact tho. So it wasn’t an issue
distant ice
Not sure what that last one means but either way the accuracy is dubious and effort seems like it'd be way too big for every weapon
for how much worth having falloff numbers has
distant ice
very short map, first blood door ever followed by class IX alarm
strong python
i saw on twitch, that someone make single shooting via burst cannon
how to do that?
craggy pier
don't need to know, it's not the way the gun is meant to be used.
hoary sable
Anyone got any tips for beating the R4B levels and C2 ? The fog + infection is making them hard to clear with my current crew and I can’t guide them because I genuinely don’t know the maps that well X3
neon gust
r4b1 thers a turbine somewhere in the map (use the terminal to ping), c2 you have a turbine on zone 12 i think (use terminal)???
pro tip: use terminal
wary linden
Zone 11 in c2
neon gust
Also you can avoid the fog part entirely on c2 by going to the other zones unless the game would force you
wary linden
12 is mama and keys
hoary sable
Noted noted
wary linden
Tbh zone 14 isn't that bad in C2. Zone 15 on the other end... You don't want to go in there ever
pearl badger
zone 14 is doable with fog repellers alone, It was in my solo opinion
wary linden
I generally solo zone 14 when my team goes into zone 8
neon gust
13 best alarm
hoary sable
All I remember is going to get the key card in C2(?) I think and then that room leads to the Fog turbine and we get stuck kinda getting to it. Maybe I’m going the wrong way entirely
pearl badger
the key card and the fog turbine are in 2 different zones
wary linden
Zone 12 has both the bulkhead key and the colored key. Colored key is to open zone 8
Zone 11 only has a security scan to get into and has the fog turbine
hoary sable
Yes*^^^
We get stuck there and literally just can’t find it lol. And then I look for the terminal to ping but we get to the back of that room (by the other security door) and it’s like the terminal is out of range
pearl badger
you take the wrong terminal
wary linden
Zone 11 has the terminal near the bulkhead that lead to extreme
pearl badger
he uses the one in zone 10
weary mesa
terminal before the door is for zone 10
pearl badger
the one in zone 11 is in area C
weary mesa
terminal for zone 11 is in the second/third room
hoary sable
Oh ok ill have to try it again sometime
Thank you all for the responses it’s very helpful ^v^
pearl badger
3rd
tacit moss
What does a shadow look like after its run onto a c-foam blob on the ground? Does the c-foam blob just disappear on the spot?
mighty maple
compact marlin
Hi I’ve just started gtfo and I was wondering what kind of weapon combination and do you guys use and why you use it (what kind of style or something) I’m testing out them out right now and I would like some recommendation of combinations for the primary and special weapon for me to try out. (Right now I am liking the handgun and one of those piercing special weapon)
distant ice
there is no piercing special
wary linden
You can do pretty much any combinaison
craggy pier
there is no piercing special
Not in this rundown : ^ )
distant ice
redundant statement when this is the only rundown we can play right now
wary linden
Your primary is suppose to be an all rounder. The gun you default to in most situations. The only combo that might be false is autopistol/revolver combo where autopistol will act more like a secondary and the revolver will be more primary.
The rest of the specials all have their own uniqueness and fill out somewhat different roles
compact marlin
there is no piercing special
Ohhh I thought the bottom two weapons were piercing. Nvm haha
distant ice
the only piercing weapon is hel revolver and it's straight op
slate drum
Hi I’ve just started gtfo and I was wondering what kind of weapon combination an...
Pick 1 weapon, get used to it, switch to another
unless its autopistol. It can't kill anything properly.
neon gust
unless its autopistol. It can't kill anything properly.
because its not suppose to
slate drum
exactly my point
open pecan
I wasn't around for R3, what was so bad about Bolt?
neon gust
oh boy
open pecan
I know it's a reactor mission but that can't be the only reason
neon gust
It was boring and the only thing that made it interesting they nerf it
karmic comet
I enjoyed it, I was trash at the game but it was fun
also my group was 3 players at most, usually 2 so that made it a bit harder
I can imagine how easy it would be with 4 good players
neon gust
For an A level it was fine i guess
But man i hope they never do that again
Its was basically a cheap o reactor, and the waves after the nerf comes from the drop zone
karmic comet
I didn't know they nerfed it
neon gust
Pre nerf was fun because they sandwich you on the catwalk
karmic comet
that's when we played and yeah it was pretty fun
neon gust
They used to spawn behind you
People found it too hard, but in my experience in pubs, people will 9/10 forgot theyre sentries in the previous alarm
karmic comet
yeah we did that a lot
neon gust
But yeah, it wasnt just a memorable level
karmic comet
for people who didn't make it past B1 it was lol
neon gust
B1 was a fun one tho
karmic comet
we always died on the class 5 or whatever it was at the end
spark wolf
reminder that pre-nerf was literally one wave that rng wise could spawn from behind
idk why the community keeps being gay af about pre-nerf shit when barely anything changes
neon gust
Because it made it fun!
spark wolf
it's like you for some reason forget what was actually different
one tiny rng wave from behind didn't make a difference
if you think it did
you're weird
ok
karmic comet
it did for us bad players
spark wolf
for newer players it was horrible
which is obviously why it was changed
it was even titled as unintentional
in the sense that it was never meant to be that way
neon gust
I mean tbh they can call whatever unintentional and call it day
karmic comet
inb4 all R5 A levels are reactors
spark wolf
it was completely fine/too hard for an A tier
one of the only A tier expeditions where you heard a lot of people getting stuck
It's "boring" if you play it with 4 people that are good at the game
because it's A tier
current A tier without optionals and without doing dumb random shit also isn't very interesting with a good team
The thing with reactors is that gameplay for the waves itself is pretty set
Other than changing up where you hold and what equipment you use there's not much difference you can make run to run
and why change your strats if you got a strat that full on works
neon gust
cant wait for r2c2 turned into an A level!
spark wolf
a gather expedition where the main threat is an error alarm but having it toned down for A tier sounds pretty enjoyable to me
just play it with less than 4
wary linden
Should fix the fact that low wave still trigger scream noise...
Cause i saw plenty of people die to the C1 error alarm and A2 error alarm
A2 IS MOSTLY because of confusion with no noise signaling the player that a wave spawned
C1 is just they were bad 🤷
distant ice
So you mean the fact that they don't
spark wolf
slow but bigger waves would be better for low tier expeditions 😩
A2 is pretty fast
it's probably less
like
15s
wary linden
Yeah and it's a problem for new players since by the time they realise what is happening they'll probably have 4 ennemies on them
With no sound notification making them confuse
For playing with new players randomly cause i'm bored ... I have seen plenty who have issues with the basics of basics and what to do in terms of quick decision. A lot of those just panic and everything goes to shit fast. (Doesn't bother me though since i am just there to help them understand better)
spark wolf
it's also 15?
neon gust
Perhaps
neon gust
Scout triggers the second the bd opens
spark wolf
snipe the first scout and then swap to dmr to kill the next one
neon gust
Implying i dont dmr both
tropic ferry
just have everyone bring dmr and shoot it at the same time
neon gust
and you need to shoot his legs
Of course, 3 shot him on the leg
Your fellow friend with sniper will thank you for that on r5
lusty bramble
I believe you only need 2 or 3 to full charge bodyshot a scout
dawn egret
The sniper is for two things.
- When your team fucks up, either immediately after, or once all of them get downed
- When you want to shoot a scout from so far away that no one wakes up but your whole team still freaks out and ends up alerting shadow jesus anyway
lunar bough
is the difficulty scaled with the number of players or no
austere bronze
no
neon slate
The game is set to be played as 4 players, as intended
wary linden
you could say the difficulty scale with less player by being more difficult with less players... so inverted scaling xD
tacit kettle
ah yes just call it a feature 😄
white kettle
For A2, the only bulkhead keys we can find on the terminal are in zones we can't access yet, but we really wanna do the optional objective and not end the mission yet (we have both cryo thingies at the extraction), does finishing the scan give us a bulhead key?
steel valley
no
there is one bulkhead key in the main path, in the zone with 2 gens
someone must have touched it if its not on the terminal anymore
white kettle
You can't drop it right?
white kettle
So it doesn't pop up on the terminal, so someone must have it, right?
Cause you can't drop it
steel valley
yep
sudden burrow
Objective items like that show up on the left side of your screen
white kettle
But no one has it
sudden burrow
How many are showing up in the terminal?
white kettle
2
sudden burrow
Someone has it then
steel valley
just have everyone go to the dc and hold e
white kettle
But no one does, I've even considered if it might be a UI bug
everyone has tried that
sudden burrow
just have everyone go to the dc and hold e
Was gonna suggest this next lmao
flat rock
You don't even need to do this anymore
The key gets put into the host's inventory so to speak when the person who has it dc's
steel valley
maybe you already did the dc scan idk man
someone's probably just trolling otherwise
white kettle
So supposedly someone in my group "found" it, which is strange since it wasn't on the terminal
Personally I think he just didn't realise he had it
smh
craggy pier
The key would show on the left side of the screen of the person that had it
Or just make everyone hold E on the DC
steel valley
he forgot he had it and lied to avoid the shame lol
sudden burrow
kek
white kettle
Well thanks anyways for helping me out
lament temple
any idea if dedicated servers are gonna be implemented or is it still gonna be more clientside hosting?
sudden burrow
FAQ seems to imply that they'll be sticking with P2P
weary mesa
that do be some people
"I want more expeditions in a rundown"
"There are too many expeditions in this rundown"
weary mesa
Hard to please everyone
vital sierra
hard to please everyone when they want the opposite thing from other
shrewd dirge
p2p when
ruby wasp
i don't really get how too many expeditions in a rundown is a problem
Like nothing forces you to clear them all
nor to clear them in PE/extreme
distant umbra
I did B1 one alone just now (didn't try to complete the mission or anything, was just fucking around), and I found a big striker. I was like 10m away from it and was completely still (and I mean completely), but it kept going into an agitated state and eventually woke up, again, without me doing anything. Is this a bug?
steel valley
check your flashlight?
distant umbra
Oh, right, that must have been it. Thanks
ionic nexus
ember marlin
what is the best loadout for b3 high with three people?
wooden osprey
sentry and cfoam and any gun
ember marlin
two sentries im guessing?
frozen nymph
tbh just play around with any combo
ember marlin
i havent used cfoam too much, but ive messed around a lot with combinations of mines and turrets, havent even tried cfoam yet
ember marlin
true true. are there any good strats for doing uplinks?
frozen nymph
do the nearest uplink last
pre-type your terminal commands
and don't let cfoam guy do the typing
i've said too much
ember marlin
why not the cfoam guy?
frozen nymph
cfoam guy needs to do the doors, for unfavourable rng situations
rain python
I’d probably go cfoam, mine, and sniper sentry for b3 trio
Cfoam is valuable to save some ammo and meds when doing alarm scans
ember marlin
fax
dawn egret
Pretty sure someone made a mod that lets you voice interact with terminals. Might make uplinks faster if you really don't want to run c-foam
steel valley
typing should be the same speed as speaking tbh, though i'm confused as to how using a mod is a strat recommendation
lusty bramble
seemingly, using a controller is the fastest method for terminals
velvet otter
you can type while the console is loading the code so basicaly yo preload uplink_verify and wait till the code shows up to fill it,just funnel all tools on cfoam for high obj and start with the bulkhead terminals if done right the door should break as soon as you load the last code or around that timeframe
dawn egret
Pretty sure the mod lets you "interact" with terminals based on proximity, not direct interaction
So you can shout "COMPUTER, UPLINK_VERIFY SODA" whilst kiting past it
inner basalt
we don't discuss any mods on the server
steel valley
^^
also why even bother trying to do the level if you’re just going to use mods to make it easier lol
hard wasp
i've never heard of that mod. maybe you're talking about a separate program?
ik some people use programs where they type and it speaks
so they don't have to be a "no mic" player
craggy pier
Give
spark wolf
what is this illegal voice software
verbal surge
Nothing like screaming at a terminal to make it work. That's how I use my computer in the first place
craggy pier
Just like my parents
wary linden
Those terminals have Cortana installed and listening 24 hours a day lol
weary relic
Def not a mod. But interesting
weary relic
Huh interesting. Never heard of it
craggy pier
ik some people use programs where they type and it speaks
👉👈 Give
south perch
So is stuff from previous rundowns ever coming back? Or will it just be gone forever?
flat rock
There is no plan to bring back the previously available content at present.
vital sierra
you did experience some of it in this rundown also
south perch
ok I like just bought the game so I was wondering
gilded jolt
Yea don’t worry, a lot of ideas used in past rundowns are present in rundown 4
neon gust
Technically every single enemy its in this rundown
so you didnt really miss on a lot exepct maybe a type of mission objective or two
craggy pier
Neonate was never real
keen solar
Remember the time we abandoned the baby just to summon her grandma to kill us
static escarp
to my knowledge there are two times in which you can stand next to / run through a big striker without getting melee'd by it
- it is about to do a tongue attack
- it is staggered because a limb of its was destroyed
am i correct and are there more opportunities to get uncomfortably close to a big striker that i may not know of?
vital sierra
it can still tongue AND melee attack
craggy pier
- In the middle of it's melee animation (if you're approaching it from a slight angle)
craggy pier
Remember the time we abandoned the baby just to summon her grandma to kill us
Take yer' fucking schizophrenia pills
vital sierra
3. In the middle of it's melee animation (if you're approaching it from a slight...
if you ran at the exact location of the giant (before it melee), you'll get melee so running through when it's in the middle of animation isn't really a good idea
craggy pier
Ping : ^ l
static escarp
thank you
dawn egret
Can you see a ||shadow|| if a teammate flashlights it from any angle, or only a similar angle to where you are looking from?
Haven't bothered to actually test...
weary mesa
idk but environment light for sure cast their shadow, so maybe player flashlight is coded different so it won't show
tidal fiber
was wondering if the game will get some discount for upcoming Rundown 005. Cause I have managed to convinced multiple of my friends to get this game but they'll definitely get it if there is any slight discount :3
pulsar herald
@tidal fiber probably the Discount is going to be 20-25% . R4 Discount was for example 20%.
tidal fiber
it's good enough :3
strange skiff
this is only speculation, can't say for sure they will have a discount
vital sierra
this is only speculation, can't say for sure they will have a discount
they always did that for a year now
pulsar herald
Yeah Captain Alpha is right... its nearly save that there is a Discount...
It would be weird if not.
gusty swift
frozen nymph
ember marlin
anybody know which level is easiest to solo, and with what setup?
craggy pier
A2
ember marlin
is that cryo cases?
craggy pier
Mhm
ember marlin
and what loadout
craggy pier
Yes
austere bronze
pretty much anything works for a2
you'll be able to hold each scan since they're all class ii
desert falcon
Would bring either mines or c-foam since you can find a bunch of consumable mines or c-foam nades to complement your tool. For weapons you probably wont need anything against larger enemies, so no sniper or burst cannon (burst cannon is still "fine" against smaller enemies).
ember marlin
gotcha. so what about mines, hell revolver, and combat shotgun?
austere bronze
combat shotty helps you hold down the scans
mines can instantly kill 4-8 enemies of the wave
hel revolver is widely regarded as the best primary
ember marlin
so ive lasted longer with cfoam, but i just cant clear all the dudes before they kill me...
tropic ferry
cfoam is bad for solo, just stacks enemies
unless you are finding tripmines in the level
neon gust
You can use sentries too
tropic ferry
burst may be very strong for solo
neon gust
All three sentries can give you a lot of value
tropic ferry
or an auto sentry/hel revolver setup
ember marlin
the problem is if the doors arent cfoamed, i cant hold them off long enough to do the scans, but if i do have cfoam, i dont have enough firepower once the scans are done
sudden burrow
I’ve done A2 high solo with heavy AR, pump shotgun, and mines
neon gust
You have to deal with them along side the alarm and doing scans
Sentries only will focus on a couple of enemies at a time not everything
ember marlin
true, so maybe run turret and just try to funnel them through one door?
and then kill stragglers
neon gust
Wich level sre you doing again?
tropic ferry
A2 i think
neon gust
Oh, if its high only mines would be better honestly
tropic ferry
yea
neon gust
If its high and extreme i would take any sentry,
tropic ferry
for the first alarm i always just use 3 mines, 1 on the door 2 up high in case of a giant
ember marlin
gotcha, im just gonna keep running it and see what gets me past the door
neon gust
For first class 2 you can leave the small door to the left open for the sleepers to go trough the big door
For the second either 45 or 46 you can probably place the sentry outside, if its 46 theyll come trough the small door on the dsr corner if its 45 theyre gonna path trough the middle lower big door
For the class 2 cluster save the middle big door and leave it open and hold thst down
So when you donthe class 3 in extreme you can use that to cfoam or whatever
Actually inthink they come to the lower big door
ember marlin
alright, made it through first alarm with one cfoam grenade and auto turret, we'll see how the rest goes
ember marlin
when you grab the cryo container, does it anger any enemies?
weary mesa
Nah only when you put both in extract
verbal surge
Hey, what should I have completed before I consider taking on E1 hard?
I have everything on hard completed and around 3 PEs done, but they're from the A and B missions. What should I try to complete so I will not be a hindrance to my teammates mechanic-wise?
shrewd dirge
d1 and d2 all extras
verbal surge
Damn ok
shrewd dirge
e1 is difficult and breaks people that arent up for it.
verbal surge
Gotcha. I'm trying to get at least everything on hard beat before the rundown is over but I'll keep that in mind for sure
fast kraken
how long are the Scouts invulnerable after you hit the first shot with a burst cannon? like will you be able to use the whole charge before it gets invulnerable?
flat rock
You can full burst scouts
verbal surge
It's less than two seconds iirc. You should be able to fully kill it tho
fast kraken
oki
sudden burrow
Nah yeah BC is a fine scout killer
spark wolf
just watch out if they're bending over
because the first shot will instantly make them stand up
and they pretty much just teleport like that
sudden burrow
Reminds me, I got decked by a hybrid because of how goddamn fast they stand up lmao
twin hamlet
C-foam can be good solo
Keeps them away till scans are done then you can just run and shoot
or smacc
noble elm
How is the health and damage to Tumors calculated? A sniper does 80 with the precision but one-shots a tumor, but the burst's full burst is 200 and only takes out one tumor according to what I've read on the wiki.
weary mesa
the damage over the threshold is done as reduced damage to the enemies full health pool
vital sierra
a full burst of burst cannon will be the exact damage to destroy the tumor
a sniper shot deal too much damage hence a waste
a sniper shot however will deal enough damage to destroy a pMother tumor which is worth it
noble elm
What is the exact numbers?
vital sierra
ember marlin
what are your guys' top 3 easiest levels to do PE in order??
austere bronze
A3>A2>B3
sudden burrow
A3, A2... B3? That or B2
ember marlin
how bout with 2 people?
sudden burrow
Probably still the same tbh
austere bronze
still the same for me
sudden burrow
Except maybe scrape the B2 option off of my list
ember marlin
if you had to pick one
covert oracle
burst cannon/choke mod/ sniper
upper lotus
choke mod, I'm not good with BC
ember marlin
yoo what does the door mean when it just says "alarm detected"
vital sierra
why is it still pinging bug
nova pelican
So question, does the fog turbine make “noise” as in can you stealth with it without issues or what? After a little bit of testing I seem to be getting mixed results so I’m not sure
craggy pier
The fog turbine doesn't attract any enemies.
Maybe you're just moving too much when the enemies are pulsing.
nova pelican
Yea that was my other thought, I was playing with 4 at the time so it was pretty back and forth. Ty
sudden burrow
Shoutout to pre-R4 when most alarm doors didn't list their class
craggy pier
No worries Soren
static escarp
is there an unstuck command
craggy pier
/kill
weary relic
lol
teal sphinx
is there an unstuck command
alt+F4 is only option
static escarp
i stood directly underneath a door and got squished into the ground
as i was host, alt-f4 resulted in a rollback
rolling back 2 shadow scouts i had killed
which my teammates then tried to kill
and failed to
so we died 🙂
gilded jolt
I mean why would you stand under a closing door
static escarp
i opened it and found big chargers and another scout
walked in a bit before i saw the charger
so i just closed it
thinking i'd get pushed to a side
i was wrong
austere bronze
is this d2 extreme zone
static escarp
cooorect
lapis mauve
stand up and have someone close the door...you get pushed back into the map. or sit under it and have someone pull all 3 blood doors to watch hybrids get confused
tardy ingot
Can anyone tell me how the waves for the reactor (in D1) spawn?
We had cases where for whatever reasons waves spawned AFTER the fighting timer, aswell as them spawning ridicolusly far away for some reason.
craggy pier
The waves just spawn really far away that's all.
spark wolf
if you don't kill fast enough, some waves get delayed because of the active enemy cap
tardy ingot
Ah ok, so not the usual 2 rooms away (or 2 but in the same zone like in uplink).
Is there a capped amount of waves (if you kill them too fast) or will new waves be added in said case?
spark wolf
the spawns are set to be 2 rooms from each direction of the reactor, and you can push them further out
vital sierra
the wave will cap at 25 units
spark wolf
each reactor test always spawns the same amount of things no matter how fast you kill
it'll just get delayed if you're not fast enough
some waves have some rng but thats all
tardy ingot
ah thanks that clears up that at least 😄
we tried defending on the bride (near spawn) but waves spawned ridicolusly far away aswell as some spawning late (because we probably didnt kill them fast enough due to late arrival then id say)
vital sierra
you will lose time
spark wolf
yeh that's the only downside to that strat
tardy ingot
we switched it up because we didnt know why it somehow always took them too long. Worked wonders, just confused me which is why i wanted to ask
thanks a lot 
cunning loom
what would happen to the sleepers if we blasted some crappy loud music?
distant ice
soft kiln
what would happen to the sleepers if we blasted some crappy loud music?
causes fewer civilians to be in the nightclub heist
ruby wasp
lmao
hallow laurel
4 noobs trying to beat E1 high before R5, we only beat the levels necessary to unlock E1, never do PE unless absolutely necessary, after about 8 runs farthest we get is right after second sustain alarm. We had a 40% success rate with shadow scouts in D2. What are our chances? 😅 😞
young pagoda
Low
shrewd dirge
Low
sudden burrow
I cry every time one of my squad mates goes for a shadow scout, I’ve hogged them too much so they keep messing it up x.x
soft kiln
4 noobs trying to beat E1 high before R5, we only beat the levels necessary to u...
very low
neon gust
4 noobs trying to beat E1 high before R5, we only beat the levels necessary to u...
After alarm the level goes from loud to stealth, it allows you to take your time, so if you somehow survive then go ahaead and think well before you proceed
lusty siren
Will they add the ability to matchmake with more than 1 person in the next update?
distant ice
probably
lusty siren
That would be a boon
rough junco
hello guys, can anyone explain how to get the prisoner efficiency?
distant ice
.t sectors
uneven gulchBOT
Sectors are a mechanic which adds optional objectives to the game, ranging from altering the game state to adding other objectives. The following sectors are available:
High (Main Sector)
Extreme (Second Sector)
Overload (Third Sector)
Prisoner efficiency (All three Sectors in the same run)
Multiple sectors can be completed at the same time. In order to unlock certain tiers you will need to satisfy their sector requirements.
rough junco
men in like needing one completion of PE and i dont know what those terms are lmao
thx my friends
distant ice
idk why i see a medieval helmet in that pfp but i do
rough junco
thats ummm a cat
nova pelican
i see it too
white kettle
Anyone got tips on doing A3 overload?
covert apex
Anyone got tips on doing A3 overload?
where are you stuck?
white kettle
Rn we're trying to deal with the scouts after the overload bulkhead door
we can snipe one from a distance but the other will notice his buddy's death and scream
is it better to stealth this part while 2 guys hold off the incoming waves?
craggy pier
Fr tho
ember marlin
i would always recommend bio if you have 4 people
ember marlin
bro, bio tracker solo speedrun all the way less goo
nova pelican
Rn we're trying to deal with the scouts after the overload bulkhead door
im not an expert but if you really wanted to im pretty sure there is an exploit in where if you close a door but shoot before it fully closes it counts as if the door was closed and doesnt alert the room. that is assuming you kill the target of course. (idk if this has been patched tho)
also does anyone know if you can spam shove scouts or not?
i dont imagine it would lmao but it would be funny
craggy pier
Once it's alerted, yes, but when it's not you can't
craggy pier
what does it mean when a door says warning: alarm detected but doesn't say the class?
Just a normal scan usually, the devs just forgot to put what class alarm it is
thank you!
dawn egret
@nova pelican that's a feature, not an exploiit. Sound is more muted through half-closed doors
nova pelican
lol? It seems extremely unintentional
dawn egret
Imagine hearing people arguing through a door that is open a crack, then opening it all the way. Much louder.
Weapons already don't alert enemies far enough away, even in the same room
dreamy sapphire
So I can shoot a sniper through a half open door and someone 3m away can’t hear it
Very intentional
dawn egret
Hey, the game is in beta
dreamy sapphire
Yeah
dawn egret
In full release, the soundscaping might dampen sound throughout the door close properly
dreamy sapphire
But that doesn’t make it a feature hahah
dawn egret
The easy way to impliment it is to just switch sound to muted when the door is even partially closed
It's easy to justify, difficult to abuse, and adds a tactic to the game. Seems like a feature to me
dreamy sapphire
Surrre
dawn egret
You think enemies not hearing you from a large enough distance in the same room isn't a "feature"?
vital sierra
the devs have been going easy on ya
dreamy sapphire
True
dawn egret
There's a fine line. B-hopping is an exploit. Kiting is a tactic. Instakilling a daddy is a stratagy. Dodging and ducking to avoid hybrid shots is a feature.
vital sierra
they could just make every room alert when you start shooting
dawn egret
Most of the time you care about sniping through a closing door, you could just walk further back and snipe through the open door at a long range
But it's slightly more annoying sometimes
Closing doors may be unintentional, but it contributes to the game in a fun, justifiable way
quaint notch
Anyone ever hear of a bug of enemies just running through a closed cfoamed door R4d2 btw
shrewd dirge
smells like desync
vital sierra
it's desync
ember marlin
on c1 is there a security scan when you insert the data sphere
austere bronze
no
spark wolf
you need the clown makeup if you're gonna say bhop is an exploit but sound not being able to travel through opening/closing doors is a feature
difficult to abuse my ass
maybe you're just dumb
it's incredibly easy to abuse
unlike bhop which still requires understanding the stealth mechanics
vital sierra
wesley on it again
spark wolf
i don't think he understand how the sound shit actually works
sound can't play if a room is locked away from players
so even if something that realisticly makes sound goes off in a room like that
it doesn't alert the room
"easy to justify"
but yeh sure it's intentional, that's probably why they made sure to put the bosses behind the warden door facing the other way 
lusty bramble
What happens to queued up spawns if host migration occurs?
dawn egret
I assume requeue
nova pelican
I created a whole argument lol, I just gave up
verbal surge
both closing doors whilst shooting to get stealth kills and bhopping are exploits in the sense that you exploit the game engine
verbal surge
in the context of a game design sense, bhop doesn't make sense for a game such as GTFO.
i don't think it breaks the game and I think it is healthy as only the best players can use it.
gilded jolt
I dont think only the best players can use it
weary relic
There is the argument that it should be removed
gilded jolt
Its really not all that hard to do
weary relic
Which is dumb
weary relic
Cause it’s the only thing that makes stealth not boring as hell
verbal surge
efficiently. You have to have good game knowledge to use it efficiently.
craggy pier
Literally anyone can bhop with little practice
weary relic
Yes
craggy pier
Mayhaps
verbal surge
I wonder if they'll keep B-Hopping or remove it in the long run.
gilded jolt
yes
weary relic
Hopefully kept. It’s still a point of contention atm
verbal surge
Perhaps they'll nerf it or make it more inconsistent. Early access and all though lol
neon gust
with bhop you still have to be aware of stealth mechanics so i agree with some of the points of it staying
if they remove it they better add a permanent tool to make stealth faster
or add tools to make stealth more interesting/faster
sudden burrow
Yeah, I don't know if I can really call bhopping problematic
spark wolf
well it depends on what your actual problem with it is
if your problem is that it makes things too fast or makes it look dumb and ruins your immersion
that means you don't have a problem with bhop because i can do the same thing without it
if your problem is me saving the room by bhopping to the dude that woke up in the back (without waking up more shit on my path)
valid point
nova pelican
btw is bhopping done while sprinting or walking in order to reduce noise?
neon gust
You fly
nova pelican
im gonna ignore that
spark wolf
and if your problem is the dodging
you have a misunderstanding of dodging and don't realise how little it matters for dodging
weary relic
lol tell me about it. It’s good for saving a room alert but it’s really unneeded a lot
Just aggro room if you so choose
so 99% of the time
verbal surge
I get why some people dislike it but unless you're a gameplay purist who only sits in pub lobbies, it doesn't hurt anyone.
weary relic
Lol ye
Once you get good enough. You stop caring about Bhopping unless hardcore stealth or solo
And just aggro rooms for fun
lapis mauve
hopping is just a symptom, not the underlying issue of p2p jank. most of the common exploits are due to funky client/host interactions
weary relic
Lmao it’s not caused by p2p
verbal surge
We'll see what changes with R5
weary relic
It’s cause they cannot hear you in the air, and you maintain velocity while jumping
It’s really just that simple
verbal surge
Maybe the verticality and scale of the new maps may make it a bit more difficult to use consistently, who knows.
weary relic
“Verticality”
spark wolf
you can literally still bhop while going upstairs so probably not
weary relic
^
craggy pier
Large open areas with little to no objects to jump on will make kiting harder
weary relic
Labs
spark wolf
but they will also be the most boring rooms in the game
weary relic
Point still stands
spark wolf
and affect gunplay within that room just as much
gunplay isn't the same in open rooms compared to with cover
it's often way more interesting if there's obstacles in the room
weary relic
Gun play is also bad, so that doesn’t help
lapis mauve
The gunplay in gtfo is incomprehensibility better than the devs previous title, payday
weary relic
- Not really their title
- Debatable
Gunplay was way better in payday cause you were always in gunfights, not this bs underpowered shit they call gunplay when you can just go hammer everything cause of
- All the enemies are a joke and pose no real threat
- Why would you use the pea shooters when they do fucking nothing
:)
verbal surge
I feel as if it is less that weapons are underpowered and more that there's a few weapons that just rank above the rest?
weary relic
Bit of both. The hel rev and burst cannon are kinda OP everything else is debatable except the very particular role of the autopistol
wary linden
the only 3 primaries with actual utility are hel rev, autopistol and assault riffle
weary relic
AR is eh
verbal surge
Esp with how burst cannon is hands down a requirement for later content.
weary relic
But got a massive damage increase from R3
wary linden
AR is for people with bad aim since it's the easy one to be ammo effective
weary relic
Lol I’d say SMG or Carbine
Boast the best body damage kills
Idk about 4.5 changes. I run off the old stats
wary linden
i feel carbine goes through ammo a bit too quickly. as for smg range is what i don't like as much since i do enjoy running shotguns for the fun of it (and if player run shotgun they might not want another close range weapon)
verbal surge
I typically just run pistol and sniper because they're fun for me
Carbine ammo hurts tho ye
Used to be my main gun
weary relic
It was in r3 for me
Till Riotgun
MP in R2 which mhmm
The thing is. Smg has basically been untouched besides recoil
Used to be one of the best, now the worst
craggy pier
I feel like the guns get too much ammo and deal too little damage
vital sierra
imagine thinking payday 2 gunplay is good
weary relic
Lol
ocean fulcrum
Are there more enemies the more people you have?
nova pelican
bro fuck grinder, kingpin and just never die
or full dodge build
but we kind of already have that lol
neon gust
please give me arcade shooting in gtfo
vital sierra
how is it the same thing
other perk, you peak out and shoot and slight chance that you'll be dead
stoic, you peak out, got hit, shot the guy that shot you, go back to cover, press a button and 100% healed
neon gust
i want the bulldozer in gtfo
nova pelican
cause kingpin reduces damage by 100% while below 50% health
so unless you get one shotted but that can happen to both
unless im remembering wrong
vital sierra
so unless you get one shotted but that can happen to both
not really
nova pelican
if you get one shotted by a sniper the 100% reduction gets skipped no?
its been a while
unless you are already under 50% beforehand that is
skulldozer in gtfo
or better yet
cpt winters
but its only him
and hes immortal
which he already is
he just follows you around and yells at you in his stupid ass voice
vital sierra
only shotgun cops include green dozer kill kingpin
stoic negate everything
stoic > kingpin
vital sierra
nova pelican
cosmic crest
quick question how do alarms spawns work cause atm
D2 the fancy door with the class 6 cluster
it has 3 rooms that are 2 rooms out
will they spawn on all 3 ?
or if we close all doors cause they search for the one with less resistance only spawn in one
vital sierra
will they spawn on all 3 ?
yes
cosmic crest
well god damn it, we are legit in the middle of the run and don't have a clue how to defend
cosmic crest
well gl to us now 😄
did it it is a really good alarm/room with only 1 mine was done well :b
craggy pier
Gj
cosmic crest
well the final alarm fucked us cause we ignored a certain thing ...
craggy pier
You ignored Fat Cunt?
craggy pier
That's an epic Fat Cunt moment
rare venture
Hi ppl does anyone know if GTFO has sales when new updates are about to drop ? Thinking of picking up soon
violet steeple
Hi ppl does anyone know if GTFO has sales when new updates are about to drop ? T...
yes! every new rundown gtfo gets a 20% sale and a new rundown is coming on the 29th, so expect a sale on that day
rare venture
Thanks for the answer!
ancient lynx
i believe the devs haven't said anything yet whether there would be a sale or not, however historically there has been a sale at the beginning of every rundown
sudden burrow
Yeah - I wouldn’t call it guaranteed, but past data supports it.
craggy pier
will we get one day a one, two, or three player(s) difficulty ? Players can't always be four
it would be cool to balance the difficulty, depending on the number of players
gilded jolt
Yea its very unlikely
plain spire
how do you usually kill ||shadow scouts|| ?
plain spire
bruh
sudden burrow
Careful melee
Guns are less viable against them because, well, they’re shadows. That, and they always spawn in pairs.
plain spire
always see people jump before, does that actually help?
shadow mica
always see people jump before, does that actually help?
it does because it makes it a lot easier to hit their head
if you dont jump generally you want to be very close and have its head facing you
sudden burrow
Shadow scouts are a bit taller I think, so yeah people jump at ‘em
I usually make my friends let me host so I can get the crouching animation
shrewd dirge
crouch is super easy if you know what you're doing.
if you jump as host good chance you've fucked yourself.
craggy pier
Is there a reason why sometimes you get 3 mine on 1 charge of tool refil
just a rounding number thing
ember marlin
is B2 duo extreme doable with two players that have beat all levels up to c?
rain python
All levels have been duo'd
shrewd dirge
possible yes, at your skill level, dubious at best.
open pecan
How dodge hybrid bullets 😔
craggy pier
Look down
spark wolf
vital sierra
just walk side way
frozen nymph
Not gtfo related but did you, by any chance, change your pfp? @sudden burrow 
Kinda odd to ask out of the blue cus i rmb it as green or am i tripping
sudden burrow
Oh no yeah I did lmao
frozen nymph
sudden burrow
Not gtfo related but did you, by any chance, change your pfp? <@9568917318428262...
To give a bit more of an answer now that I'm not busy - I switch it to the purple whenever I'm streaming, it's just a silly little thing pffff
frozen nymph
To give a bit more of an answer now that I'm not busy - I switch it to the purpl...
Lul i see, it's cool
neon plaza
Am I allowed to use gtfo sound assets for personal creations, or do 10 chamber peeps not like that?
keen solar
Am I allowed to use gtfo sound assets for personal creations, or do 10 chamber p...
everything has copyright so you need either have permission to use it or buy the right to use it. So good luck with that lol
neon plaza
Buy the right as in buy the game or possibly pay the creators to use it?
keen solar
It's complicated stuff, especially when it comes to in-game soundtrack
You might want to understand the copyright law before using it.
neon plaza
Copyright law is nice, but tough stuff :(
I will do some more research into copyright and then possibly ask Simon about it all
If possable
keen solar
I know songs that are over 50+ years old are not restricted into copyright law. GTFO soundtrack is relatively new so you might need to buy the right
Which might cost you $1000
neon plaza
I don't believe what I will ask is a song, but 8've also heard 9 second songs on spotify, so you never know these days
keen solar
There's some leeway is that if you use less than XYZ seconds/ less than XYZ bars of the music, you don't need to pay for the right.
neon plaza
I've heard people get copyright strikes for using a .5 second clip of a song, so even then it is risky
keen solar
Depends on which country they produce the music tbh
You basically need to email lots of people to do so
I believe Simon doesn't have an agent so you can just direct email him...?
neon plaza
Lmao I have no idea on how to find people on Gmail
keen solar
go to 10CC website lol
merry rune
If I wanna practice killing scouts, are there any missions where I could do a solo run and find a scout early on?
topaz anvil
A3 zone 28
austere bronze
B3 extreme zone has 4 accessible scouts
rain python
A3 z28 no alarm door or B2 but you’ll have to solo clear a little bit and pull error alarm
merry rune
Thanks boys
topaz anvil
D2 Overload 
steel valley
but unironically yes
austere bronze
just bring foam
ivory meadow
craggy pier
Usually around the time a new rundown comes yes
craggy pier
No worries
daring fog
will we ever get a way to choose everything BUT a specific tier for matchmaking?
distant ice
perhaps
ancient lynx
i'd like to just see matchmake have the levels/teirs be checkboxes so you can select just the levels you want (or like you said, uncheck the levels/tiers you don't want)
exotic pivot
Is gtfo going to be AMD FSR compatible? I see some larger games have already been declared compatible
weary relic
What’s that lmao
sudden burrow
Seems to be the AMD counterpart to NVIDIA's DLSS
rugged nymph
can someone tell me how a surge alarm is different from a normal alarm?
shadow mica
delay between waves spawning is extremely short
for normal alarms you have more breathing room
rugged nymph
ahh, any idea on how many scans we'll have to do?
tropic ferry
usually 3
craggy pier
Its usually 3 sets
shadow mica
iirc they are all 3
rugged nymph
lol thanks
craggy pier
Epic 3 moment
tropic ferry
iirc they are all 3
||E1|| would beg to disagree
shadow mica
how many were those?
tropic ferry
other than ||large s1s, there was a class 6 at the end||
shadow mica
s1s aren't really the same, but they are similar I guess
cunning loom
is GTFO worse than the death sentence?
lusty bramble
GTFO is epic!
cunning loom
Would you rather get sent to the electric chair or to the lethal injection or be sent to GTFO?
fallen mica
uhhhhh 100% gtfo 😎
ocean fulcrum
Would you rather get sent to the electric chair or to the lethal injection or be...
im gonna die either way soo
shadow mica
Well at least in GTFO you have a chance of making it back
fallen mica
**you have five seconds before I screech**
I'm gonna sledgehammer you B)
cunning loom
ScReEeEe
covert oracle
im just built different
fallen mica
alright time to get my auto sentry
young pagoda
alright time to get my auto sentry
*sniper sentry
fallen mica
sorry but I already have my auto sentry :(
cunning loom
y'all woke up the others
zinc pebble
Is there a max limit you can put cfoam on a door?
keen solar
nope
zinc pebble
so I could perma cfoam a door with +- 30 balls and help out with scans right?
keen solar
ye
zinc pebble
my god i've been doing it wrong all the time ^^
last question, in your opinion.. what would be the easiest overload to do for duos, we try to at least unlock lvl D before R5
tardy ingot
Id say A2 is the easiest overload. A2 gives you a ton of ressources and its quite a lot shorter than other overloads. with no hybrids and such iirc
If you want to do extreme aswell tho i think its A3 for sure.
vital sierra
so I could perma cfoam a door with +- 30 balls and help out with scans right?
you can only perma foam with max 10 foam
every gu or blob disappear, you can apply back immediately
zinc pebble
Aight thanks Alpha!
cunning loom
What's an effective tactic against each enemy type?
keen solar
I mean, he is not wrong 😂
inner basalt
true
cunning loom
Imagine the game but it's reversed- You're the sleeper
wooden osprey
L4D2 virus mode go brrrrrr
gilded jolt
Not enough varied enemy types for that to be fun
dawn mesa
How long does match making take?
austere bronze
depends
if its a/b tier usually couple minutes maybe
any lower and no clue
never got into a lobby lmao
keen solar
Don’t think you will be able to get anyone because people have completed rundown
Use discord instead
craggy pier
When discord: Why MM take long?
glossy yoke
any chance this game will get a 4pack bundle sale so I can buy it for a few people to play?
topaz anvil
Would be handy
shrewd dirge
wish it did tbh
frozen nymph
R4E1 regulars, how often do you fail the first part? like say out of 100 attempts
inner basalt
I'll be honest, 100 xD
frozen nymph
damn
i've failed about 20-30 times, and the furthest i've gone with different teammates is the 3rd scan
inner basalt
prob never going to see the nice couple in Zone 463 🥲
frozen nymph
feels bad when i don't even know where's 463 😂
steel valley
its always hardest to get through for the first time
inner basalt
i've failed about 20-30 times, and the furthest i've gone with different teammat...
i never reached that xD, always died shortly after the second scan or earlier xD
inner basalt
feels bad when i don't even know where's 463 😂
afaik the room before extraction
steel valley
once you get it down you'll have a >50% success rate
frozen nymph
i never reached that xD, always died shortly after the second scan or earlier xD
i see
well i still have 9 more days to raise my success rate
inner basalt
gl then 😄
frozen nymph
thanks, i hope my sanity could say the same
steel valley
if you're going for high only there's a solid chance you might beat the level after making it through the initial hell
the rest really isn't very bad
frozen nymph
if you're going for high only there's a solid chance you might beat the level af...
that's a relief
inner basalt
i was told that the first part is actually the easier one xD
steel valley
if you're doing extreme...
inner basalt
that's a different story xD
frozen nymph
inner basalt
but I mean the part after you used the power cells
steel valley
nah honestly the rest is fine
avoiding spoiling it here, but if you're patient there is no reason to fail
frozen nymph
oops okay
inner basalt
hmmmmm...depends, in my opinion 😉
atomic robin
well recently i went 3 success out of 4 attempts with my team, so going by that id guess maybe 20 failures out of 100, maybe less
frozen nymph
well recently i went 3 success out of 4 attempts with my team, so going by that ...
Was good rng a significant factor?
distant ice
getting "but did you kite" vibes from that
atomic robin
no kiting, had to fight 6 tanks on 2 of them, two members got downed after last scan once, and we kept loosing people after the second alarm
sudden burrow
Aren’t most of the alarms in E1 high S1 scans anyways
gentle oracle
i think all of them are
rain python
Every alarmed scan is sustain it different type
sudden burrow
Actually that reminds me, I’ve got a question there
rain python
One is a surge, one is just a regular class alarm
sudden burrow
No alarms between S1 surge and the c6?
gentle oracle
yeah theres a class 3, the normal S1, the surge, and the class 6
strange skiff
two are silent alarm tho
wooden osprey
Aren’t most of the alarms in E1 high S1 scans anyways
all scans are S1 scans
sudden burrow
Fun times
I had a map of E1 and it looked like there were only the 4 alarm doors
Just wanted to check
wooden osprey
in order i think : class3/normal/surge/class 6
sudden burrow
Yeah that’s it
rain python
The normal one isn’t as normal as the class ones. The normal is a long 140 second defense that spawns a lot of enemies
gentle oracle
well not really sure how to describe the usual s1 scans as they arent actually classed by number
sudden burrow
Well, it’s “normal” in that it’s the type that shows up outside of E1
gentle oracle
its like you tackle the numbered ones very differently to the non-numbered ones
sudden burrow
I’m assuming there’s no difference in time for one c6 S1 versus one c3 S1, yeah?
wooden osprey
fun fact: the S1 scans are mostly longer in E1 meaning doing a solo run is impossible
tropic ferry
improbable
covert oracle
unlikely, if you feel so inclined
spark wolf
the 2nd and 3rd s1 require 23 units to cap
audio breaks from shooter autism fest
if you're not on a fresh boot of the game and end up making it past all 3 those s1's
you're gonna need insane luck to actually still have audio for the rest of the run
and that's ignoring all the actual threats involved
the floor thing also really isn't reliable enough to just dodge 23 units worth of projectiles
frozen nymph
getting "but did you kite" vibes from that
Nawww i wouldn't go there, i'm that sort of player who's okay with any means except mods
frozen nymph
no kiting, had to fight 6 tanks on 2 of them, two members got downed after last ...
Yikes, my fight with 2 tanks wasn't pretty either
weary relic
Nawww i wouldn't go there, i'm that sort of player who's okay with any means exc...
Cheats not mods. But k :)
ancient lynx
some modifications are arguably cheats, but i digress
weary relic
Well yeah
The common modding. Not the same thing tho. What you said is a different story
frozen nymph
Cheats not mods. But k :)
Well okay, thanks for clarifying my ambiguous message :)
You just made me recall there are mods that tell you your ping and whatnots
weary relic
Just annoys me. Makes people view us poorly. When that’s not the case of 99% of modders
topaz anvil
Optifine when :^)
frozen nymph
Yeah i hear you, made me wonder why your tone was a little aggro haha
weary relic
Lol not towards you at all no
craggy pier
Is modifying base game to give yourself a disadvantage still viewed as cheating?
frozen nymph
Lul
weary relic
Yeah. That’s what we all hate
craggy pier
Disadvantage
weary relic
tropic ferry
forced 1 FOV mod
tropic ferry
ive tried that by manually changing the thing, it just breaks
weary relic
Lol
craggy pier
ThIs iSnT tHe PlAcE tO TaLk aBoUt ModDiNg
hard wasp
is editing the settings file modding 
hard wasp
that's like saying finding the generated weapon icons is datamining
hard wasp
weary relic
You do know 
red pivot
Unrelated to the current conversation. Will surge alarms spawn multiple hordes if you don't finish the scans, or just the one massive horde when you start the scan?
craggy pier
Surge alarms spawns max cap immediately
hard wasp
^ and will keep it at cap till the alarm is over
red pivot
Okay just checking
vital sierra
every 3rd kill will make the wave instantly respawn another 3 enemies
gritty lynx
Why is there no 69 voice channel man
wooden osprey
you don't want to know
rapid dock
people were eating hotdogs in there very loudly so it had to go
vagrant current
Is that the legit reason?
craggy pier
People were immature about it so they took it down
rapid dock
there was a gangwar, which LFG team could occupy it for the longest
then one day, blood would flow
wary linden
Surprise 34 didn't get a similar treatment... Or maybe it's for the more "cultured" people 🤔
wooden osprey
tbh im surprised GTFO-01 is not gone
wary linden
You can't censor them all :p
sudden burrow
Have there been any instances of c-foam going through a door for clients instead of the host?
I've had it happen to me on 2 D2 runs in a row, but I always host runs in my group
ruby wasp
happened to me as host & as client
flat rock
Have there been any instances of c-foam going through a door for clients instead...
It happens for anyone, spread your shots out on the door rather than foaming the same spot repeatedly. This limits the foam going through. If it does start to go through I've found aiming at the framing of the door where the door meets with it to still allow my foam to re-enforce the door without it going through, but only sometimes works. I typically just shoot near the bottom of the door if my foam goes through so that it still goes onto the ground so it's effective.
sudden burrow
It's happened when I've spread it out, but maybe I'm just not doing it enough, I dunno
It also seemed to happen more when we used foam mines, but not exclusively
flat rock
If blobs reach a certain size on the door the blobs shot nearby it will simply go through
it's an odd bug with foam
I will just make a circle around the edges of the door while foaming so I never really put more than a few shots in the same spot
Even then I can still have issues, since desync has an effect as well 🙃
sudden burrow
Noted...
flat rock
It sucks when it happens, cause it seems to continue happening for the rest of the level
sudden burrow
Yeah I've noticed that
flat rock
But, I guess it makes the game play more "intended" so it's just a feature 🙂
sudden burrow
One run I had it happen on the first class 6, ended up destroying us on the second
flat rock
Have someone shoot the first C6
You don't actually need to foam, just break the back door and have someone shoot the wave with a sentry or something
It's actually a semi-entertaining way to do the alarm for the person who goes to shoot
sudden burrow
We're gonna try switching back to something closer to our previous setup, as we only started having problems when I started being the primary c-foam guy
flat rock
It may just be your connection to host that is causing issues
or if you are host, your connection to one of your peers
sudden burrow
Yeah I'm the host lol
sudden burrow
We'll see what happens, mmhm
flat rock
gl either way