if they spawn, then it's per mother
#gtfo-related-questions
wary linden
And then the 40 babies just despawn and each mothers starts birthing again
dawn egret
Why is B2 PE so hard?
rain python
Probably due to the error alarms forward spawns. If there’s scouts can alert a lot of rooms and spiral pretty quickly out of control
dawn egret
I love B3 PE
I love C1 Exreme
I love D2 on high
but for some reason, B2 is the crap one
sudden burrow
B2 has some decent capability to go south if you don’t have a pretty clear idea of what you’re doing
Overall, I do enjoy it though
neon gust
Why is B2 PE so hard?
B2 pe fun 
gilded jolt
Yea it is
craggy pier
Chaos is fun
gilded jolt
Yea it is
lilac fulcrum
..I better not be getting trolled asking about gibma
neon gust
gibma rundown 5 GOTIIIMMMM
lilac fulcrum
Everyone else gets it on time, you have to wait a week 😉
neon gust
Everyone else gets it on time, you have to wait a week 😉
put a rascal picture somewhere in a level
sudden burrow
Add it to autogen, so no one actually checks
neon gust
that dog deserves that after traveling by plane 
frosty tinsel
What are some of the easier PE levels
neon gust
the A levels
pliant herald
neon gust
I wouldnt mind if you they can put a picture of rascal somewhere in a log
in a really obscure room in a D level
toxic birch
An optional zone hidden in the depths of an E level with a Rascal shrine inside
neon gust
dauda:
that dog its beeg
open pecan
Terminal log listing the cult dogma
flat rock
Have a single terminal in a level somewhere have a log for an ASCII of Rascal
neon gust
P O O P Y
H E A D
neon gust
sucma
flat rock
Ligma
flat rock
Wow that looks an awful lot like a suggestion already added gonna have to get D0c to delete that
flat rock
Ye
open pecan
Rundown 5 is taking so long because 10CC has to build Garganta IRL for the ARG that reveals r5's release date
craggy pier
They make an community wide puzzle that unlocks the new rundown 🤔
sudden burrow
X number of groups have to clear C3PE but do overload first
open pecan
They have to figure out how to implement an NPC into the game
lilac fulcrum
We had to take time to cure covid since we created it with rundown: infection
open pecan
Several months dedicated to fixing PR
craggy pier
So the fucking bat was just a ruse?!
lilac fulcrum
Shhhh
open pecan
D0c's been a 10CC employee for a long time, before his current job he was hand writing all the apology letters
It all connects
Can't have more than 5 players
Only 4 slots for your loudout
No rundown 5
neon gust
We had to take time to cure covid since we created it with rundown: infection
"Trust me, we didnt plan this to release with coronavirus" -ludvig
SO IT WAS A LIE
!!
flat rock
We skipping R5 and going straight to R6 boiis
flat rock
5Head
neon gust
6head
open pecan
4 level rundown 
craggy pier
At least you could play the previous rundown
flat rock
Truee
craggy pier
Along with it
open pecan
Imagine if 10CC released a one-level rundown, the level name is "fuck you" and you have to do every objective ever
You want rundown 5 so bad? Fine
craggy pier
Imagine an objective to survive for 30 minutes
neon gust
Imagine an objective to survive for 30 minutes
r4e1 reactor then
pearl badger
thats what i thought exactly
weary mesa
i mean if you hammer kite yea
craggy pier
You still had to find and enter codes
neon gust
imagine thinking the developer balance stuff around kite
open pecan
I wish you could BLJ through security doors
weary mesa
imagine hammer kiting
ruby wasp
ew
craggy pier
What I had in mind is to try to get resources in a few select zones just so you have the chance to hold out
But with how the enemies are rn, I don't think it'll work
open pecan
How the enemies are?
neon gust
and we have hel revo and burst canon
spark wolf
and the dmr
weary mesa
And hammer
alpine grove
how do i put my host on public like ppl can join me
craggy pier
Post an ad in the lfg channels
wary linden
matchmaking is slower and less people use it though
open pecan
^
alpine grove
ye but how can i matchmaking with a friend
vital sierra
no, but you and your friend can press the MM button as the same time
and find each other
wary linden
lfg channel are way easier to use then mm
alpine grove
Ye but no one is joining..
vital sierra
i think they're sleeping
open pecan
Don't wake them! They'll call their friends, and we'll be in deep shit
alpine grove
Some ppl join and troll damn
vital sierra
are you using mm?
alpine grove
No
vital sierra
ye, you can report them
easy ban
if you know their discord name
and if you even have video proof, that's just gonna be solid
wary linden
let's be honest though... discord ban means little when you can just re join with another free account...
vital sierra
well, you have to make another account
alpine crest
those that use a macro to fire only 1 burst shot, what keybinds did you use to do so? Otherwise, I know there is a manual way to do it as well, if anyone knows how to execute that I would gladly learn about that too
strange skiff
just shove
open pecan
What's the machine gun good for? Clearing hordes of small enemies, right?
vital sierra
it was good to stagger enemy for now
back then, we have head hitbox bug
when you destroyed the striker head, the hitbox still there and you can deal x2 damage by head shot a headless striker
but now, they're stagger weapon + killing
you could say it's a normal weapon at this point
open pecan
Comically large autopistol
vital sierra
i'm bring my LARGE AUTOPISTOL
tawdry sedge
Excessively large autopistol
open pecan
Drum mag the size of a reactor
neon slate
forest lintel
Are you guys looking for more voice actors by chance? I am absolutely hooked on this game.
placid loom
Simon viklund eating an orange part 2 when
open pecan
I wonder if GTFO falls into the "development hell" category
If not, I think it's real close, considering the art style overhaul
neon gust
its never been in development hell
open pecan
😳
neon gust
yeah they take long but they keep working on the actively
also theyre going trough a studio expansion
since theyre hiring a lot more people
open pecan
What would be development hell?
neon gust
a game that keeps getting delay and delay
open pecan
Ohhhh gotcha
neon gust
until studio closes or game gets cancel
thats my definition of development hell
EA game why yu du dis
open pecan
I saw how 10CC is expanding a bunch and lots of things are happening at once and went uh oh
steel valley
dev hell is stuff like dying light 2, where it keeps getting pushed back without much meaningful progress
neon gust
dev hell is stuff like dying light 2, where it keeps getting pushed back without...
Well they did made a recent video saying theyre still working on the game
theyre just taking theyre sweet ass time
frail river
There's a reason hollow knight silksong still doesn't have a release date
open pecan
Yeah, I was wrong about what "development hell" actually meant.
Also, how can I deal with big striker's tongues? They have a lot of range
shrewd dirge
yeah, so
their range gradually decreases off their center body line, both front and back
like small strikers, strafing or dodge strafing around them, or simply running in a curve around them is sufficient
i do this while readying my gun or my hammer to doink them.
if you choose not to shuut de gun, aim your hammer for uncrippled limbs
OR
if you choose, all enemy tracking breaks if you break line of sight.
just keep moving in cover though cause its a little sneaky.
@open pecan
open pecan
Thanks for the advice man :) I can probably practice in A1
dawn egret
Case Study in dev hell: Cyber77
Even when they actually sat down and decided to work on it, they shouldn't have sold pre-release copies when they did, since it put them on a deadline that they couldn't meet for a game that was hyped for a decade
shrewd dirge
even though its offtopic for the channel, i really want hollowknight SS to not get into a devhell situation
dawn egret
^ I don't think it will
The technology/engine exists, people's expectations aren't particularly over-hyped
It just needs some surious dev time, but when it releases it will make a good bit of money.
Anyway, back to gtfo heh
frail river
I’m pretty confident silksong will be good, the community understand the deal
nova dawn
Do you unlock more items as you go through each level or is it like a try to use what you're provided to attempt to make it to the bottom? I just bought the game so my question may be dumb
steel valley
Do you unlock more items as you go through each level or is it like a try to use...
there is no progression
at least, for now
frozen nymph
Run was going perfectly well until i shift+tabbed into steam overlay, which somehow lowered my mouse sens to the point i can't bonk or aim properly. GTFO ingame mouse was simply moving too slowly. Tried alt+tabbing to other window applications and they worked perfectly fine. Is anyone having the same issue?
Plus i was host so i couldn't afford to leave and restart the game
Else the run would have reset
topaz anvil
Do you have any way to change the sensitivity of your mouse through a button press anywhere on your keyboard or mouse?
frozen nymph
I did. Two buttons for increasing and decreasing my mouse sensitivity respectively
Hang on
frozen nymph
Hmm not likely. Although i still do not know of the cause, i just realised i could have opened up the Razer app to configure a much higher sens to accomodate for the situation
My mouse was Razer Basilisk or something related
topaz anvil
That's possible
frozen nymph
Rip. What a waste
topaz anvil
I mean the geforce app changes your sensitivity and acceleration to stupid amounts while overlayed
So it's not entirely unreasonable to assume that you opened something that took priority over sensitivity
frozen nymph
I'll assume it was the steam overlay since it started after i shift+tabbed and interacted with it a little
Mouse probably got confused when i switched back to the game
Idk
frigid obsidian
Hey so, I have a weird question. My friends and I just got into GTFO and upon completing a level it says stuff along the lines of, "Completed : [ 1 , 0 , - , - ]", underneath it. What does this mean?
frail river
Those are the number of times you have completed the difficulty those numbers represent
so if you do A1 again, and complete High, (the basic difficulty) that number will go up to 2
and if you then do it again and do extreme aswell, it will say "Completed [3, 1, - , -]"
frigid obsidian
Oh okay! So, by completing that difficulty, does that mean going through areas locked by bulkheads or is there something I can set in-lobby?
frail river
when you do the bulkhead scan you select which difficulty to go to
In a1 that means you go through a different bulkhead door, yeah
frigid obsidian
Oh okay!
frail river
In later levels there are two additional difficulties
Overload, which is another, usually harder objective, and prisoner efficiency, which is doing all the objectives on a level
frigid obsidian
Okay, thank you very much!
frosty tinsel
question for the devs, did you guys beat every stage?
shrewd dirge
i think its more than reasonable for them to be able to clear every stage with decent consistency, aside from E stuff.
they do after all, probably understand most of the mechanics between them.
how many enemies does an alarm uplink generate?
wary linden
depends of the uplink... generally it seems like small wave that spawn at a fast rate, but some spawn more ennemies then other
spark wolf
B3 main is 3 every 15s
distant ice
i think its more than reasonable for them to be able to clear every stage with d...
i dunno man
spark wolf
striker only
flat rock
question for the devs, did you guys beat every stage?
Surprisingly the devs are actually not that great at their game.
distant ice
seeing how they're too busy for everything i don't think they have time to play the game
spark wolf
A1 extreme i think is also 3 but slower
distant ice
also devs don't like to play their games, well-known fact in general kekw
spark wolf
C1 extreme is bigger waves including chargers (and shooters?) but it's slower than B3 again i think
flat rock
When the game was balanced around their own play testing it was more feasible for them to finish the levels as a team, however as time has progressed idk how many of their levels they have finished as a team.
shrewd dirge
i'm not implying they do clear every stage in one continuous run, not even that they're good, but from the dev streams they do seem capable of clearing at least every A-D high
elfin sparrow
I know we can't go back to previous rundowns, but it would be cool to be able to look back on the progress we made through each one
weary mesa
you can
I think one of the channels has posts of the success rate of levels or it's on twitter somewhere
open pecan
How do I git gud 😳
I did A3 PE with a few guys and I was absolutely carried through the overload section
How can I improve?
The room with lots of hybrids and giants was definitely something
ruby wasp
press run keybind, turn, charge melee, hit, repeat
shrewd dirge
practice hammering solo.
open pecan
Go to A1, wake the whole room, hammer
shrewd dirge
hammer everything
open pecan
Profit
shrewd dirge
also, learn how to stop worrying and love the hel revolver
open pecan
Is it good? I know it has penetrating rounds but how good is that
vital sierra
what is there to worry about the hel revolver
you aim and shoot
even if you hit chest you still deal a lot of damage
shrewd dirge
you aim and shoot
neon gust
it will be a detriment for your playstyle
open pecan
I'm getting some mixed messages here
neon gust
you'll get use to that braindead weapon
open pecan
I use the SMG usually
shrewd dirge
the mixed message is, dont use the hel revolver because its bustedly OP, and use the hel revo because its bustedly op
open pecan
I should git gud at headshot weapons anyway
vital sierra
smg is the most balance weapon
if you're good at it
then nothing should be a problem
open pecan
Yeah I wasn't worrying about weapon usage, but like
If you got a bunch of big guys and/or hybrids some people just Know what to do
I would like to as well
neon gust
run to a chokepoint
and funnel
you can easily shoot them as they come from the bulkhead door
on A3
open pecan
Also
How good is shoving?
I was on the duty of taking care of the error alarm waves and I got licked once every time
shrewd dirge
best way for dealing with active giants is split them up.
exploit the chicken like nature of hybrids to funnel them to a door and hammer one at a time as they come through
open pecan
Hammer hybrids? Really?
shrewd dirge
if im not under time crunch i basically always hammer hybrids now
open pecan
Oh right, about hybrids
I remember someone saying that dodging hybrid bullets is actually SUPER easy but I haven't had any luck
shrewd dirge
exploitedly ||look down||, intendedly, walk run torwards them at an angle to close ground
neon gust
you can watch captain alpha video on hammering, it shows how to dodge them
neon gust
thats how you do it
shrewd dirge
ah, yeah, shoving.
helps when you hammer into two enemies but the second one is close enough to melee you.
open pecan
Can you shove crawly guys?
shrewd dirge
hammer
shove
reposition while charging hammer
wack
yes, slide while shoving
but frankly, i dont bother
spark wolf
dodging projectiles without looking down is still pretty simple
and like
if you don't look down it means you can actually still see
the looking down is literally only preferable if you're already at the point where you're relying on a ranged enemies only experience
additionally, you still get hit
the only time where i would do it is for a res if there's only shooters around me and if i ever decide to cap out on shooters for some already weird ass plastyle
shrewd dirge
its nice to look down to dodge when you're on the run and holding a carryable.
because slow
spark wolf
you can also spam jump and your dodge rate will be near identical
shrewd dirge
for projectiles?
shrewd dirge
interesting
spark wolf
and if you decide not to look at the floor and actually look at the projectile, you can time it and get a 100% dodge rate on any projectile that was targeted at you as long as there's enough time between shots
shrewd dirge
by strafing or jumping?
shrewd dirge
think it would work on hybrids?
spark wolf
you can't jump fast enough to dodge the entire burst no
jump/crouch dodging projectiles also has the benefit that it deflects the projectile upwards/downwards and therefor is less likely to hit another teammate
you're dodging it because you're tricking the projectile essentially
shrewd dirge
so how does jumping work on the up stroke?
spark wolf
which is why it's important that it's actually aimed at you
because a projectile that isn't aimed at you doesn't react to your movement
you just jump as late as possible
shrewd dirge
does it just fly through your chest or something?
spark wolf
but usually just jump early because then you still have the chance of dodging it on your way down
it changes course
shrewd dirge
think crouching after landing, jumping from crouched would make any difference?
spark wolf
yes probably
all ranged enemies are also cheaters currently
they can target one single projectile at everyone in your lobby
and actually hit each one of you with the same projectile
the projectile seems to have a different course from each players perspective
sometimes"
not always
shrewd dirge
wait so the projectiles can be in superpositions?
spark wolf
idk what that means
spark wolf
if i see a projectile coming right at me it means that it's possible for a teammate to see the same projectile coming right at them instead from their perspective
shrewd dirge
so the same projectile can actually be 4 separate projectiles.
spark wolf
seemingly yes
shrewd dirge
and hit 4 players in different positions
spark wolf
it's hard to know what exactly happens
but since we've been paying attention to it we've had multiple occasions where our entire team lost 5% after one shooter shot
shrewd dirge
i guess this is why the second S1 in E is such cbt.
vital sierra
this can be test easily
spark wolf
i honestly think if they fix that it'll be a noticeable nerf to shooters lol
i first thought it was just like a multihit where it hits multiple of our hitboxes at the same time
but the noticed that it also happens when teammates aren't that close to eachother so that can't be it
or it could be one reason of how it happens but not the only one
shrewd dirge
so you isolated a shooter, stood around it, and waited for hp to change?
spark wolf
i never really full on test things in teams, i just shared what i noticed so our team started calling out each time we got hit and we noticed that multiple of us getting hit from one shot was indeed true
like instantly
lol
shrewd dirge
would you like to bully a shooter with me?
spark wolf
its 4am for me so i don't really wanna launch things up again rn
shrewd dirge
aite
real delta
when does the new rundown come out?
sudden burrow
When it's done
pearl badger
^
wispy olive
do shadows get gradually alerted by light like other sleepers or are they just immune?
dawn egret
Yeah i think players tend to leave the flashlight on a bit longer to see shadows
It's a psychology thing
Pro Tip - build software that can use machine learning to localize sleeper sounds and then scribble furiously in transparent MS paint on your screen to indicate their general locations
arctic nymph
can you re-join a game if you get disconected ?
amber osprey
Yes, as long as you get the Lobby ID or the person on steam, you can join back
arctic nymph
thanks
elfin mesa
are you guys planning on making in game purchases for cosmetics in the future?
sudden burrow
#faq 11 covers that
They don’t want to, but if it becomes a necessity, they’ll add cosmetics and that’s it
Or well, maybe less that they don’t want to and more that they don’t plan on it as of yet
neon gust
They will most likely add after polishing the game
after 1.0
i personally dont mind
theyve been cristal clear and honest from the beggining
ember marlin
If I've completed A1 easy objective, and then I go to replay it on overload, does it give me completion for the extreme objective?
craggy pier
THere's no overload in A1
shrewd dirge
objectives are separate.
to finish a mission you must also complete the High section.
A1 has no overload.
for missions in general, you may complete either high, extreme+high, high+overload, or for PE high+overload+extreme.
completing the same mission objective after you have cleared it successfully (completing it, and high) will not add to your progression count past the initial completion
of course, this means, if you complete only High and Overload, you in turn wont get the Extreme completion, obviously.
gaunt mauve
whats the courch button on controller
idk what "action" is for the keymapping
what is action 2* i should say
tropic ferry
crouch? im not exactly sure, but i believe it is mapped to pressing the left stick in
gaunt mauve
ah its not working sadly , thankyou
yea ijust spam all the button and hled them down
to see what do what
cant crouch
pearl badger
usually controllers are to be set up first then you can use them
gaunt mauve
so hopefully crouching isnt needed
pearl badger
although on GTFO, you are most likely to die if you use a controller
also, you cant use a terminal with a controller
gaunt mauve
haha yea it seems to be that way
pearl badger
tbh, i'd just try and get used to mouse and keyboard
gaunt mauve
yea maybe
slow vine
So. What is the intended way to deal with mist without like fog dispsersers? I am having trouble with B2 and navigating thick mist in general
flat rock
Just knowing the map really.
ionic nexus
There are fog repellers lying around
austere bronze
if you're only doing high/extreme on b2
you can put cells in to the generator cluster
to lower the fog
lapis mauve
Use the bio tracker
ionic nexus
And you can do one way first stick them in then do the other
flat rock
Having your flashlight off can help a little bit with vision, otherwise your best option is learning the map by taking time to remove the fog on high and getting used to the layout or just repeated attempts.
austere bronze
if you're doing overload, youre out of luck
just gotta memorise the layout
only a couple rooms that are completely fogged up
flat rock
There are fog repellers lying around
I have not once ever seen a fog repeller set on B2
slow vine
I have not once ever seen a fog repeller set on B2
With the 7 runs i have done i can say this aswell
flat rock
I would highly recommend doing a B2 high run and learning the area which is covered in the thick fog. It should help with having a better idea as to how to navigate it. I assume you're having issues with doing PE runs
slow vine
Idk what a "pe" run is but the advice is very usefull, thank you
slow vine
Oh yeah definitely
flat rock
Doing a high run and putting in two cells will lower the fog down, which will allow you to see the area that is normally covered in fog on an attempt where there are no cells put in.
This might help you learn the layout, otherwise just go in doing only the main objective and practice navigating the area you have trouble with
Both of these should at least help a little bit with your problem
slow vine
Doing a high run and putting in two cells will lower the fog down, which will al...
I think ill go for this, thanks!
flat rock
Any time, good luck you there ✌️
slow vine
Cheers, you aswell
vague shore
Quick question.. why does the trailers gameplay hud and characters looks different.. is that gonna be the actual game after early access ?
vital sierra
2017
lilac fulcrum
We're working on updating the Steam Store page with newer assets, etc so it'll match and flow better 🙂
ionic nexus
assets like choosing which hud you use?
jagged basin
sucks since I liked the OG hud a lot more tbh
jagged basin
assets like choosing which hud you use?
I think d0c means updating the store page to match the actual game, since it's quite outdated rn
distant ice
i prefer minimal UIs myself
new one is better in that regard
where would you put chat in old ui even
craggy pier
Mid left of the screen?
jagged basin
I liked the health, player icons and inventory placement better in the old hud
distant ice
Mid left of the screen?
very distracting
jagged basin
only if it stays there forever and doesn't fade out
distant ice
A sudden popup mid fight
tropic ferry
why are your teammates typing mid fight
jagged basin
depends on how big the text is I guess
distant ice
why are your teammates typing mid fight
Dying?
distant ice
And can be many reasons tbh, e.g. to fuck with me
jagged basin
tbh I just really really like the old health bar
the simple white line is very appealing to me
distant ice
The option to mix things up is always nice but if it was either one or the other I'd definitely go with current
whole depot
Does scan speed increase by 100% for every additional player, or is it something more gradual?
distant ice
varies by scan type
but no it's not straight +100%
i imagine speedrunners would have the specifics
shrewd dirge
iirc, scans that require items only require 1 person for maximum %/s
frigid obsidian
Hey, I have a question. Do unalerted scouts scream when you set off an alarm and they're nearby?
Like, a scout one room over from an alarm.
craggy pier
No
shrewd dirge
enemies are deaf to alarms, its enemies they worry about.
sudden burrow
Alarms in general don’t actually set enemies off, yeah
frigid obsidian
phew okay, yeah my group and I have been bending over backwards to wipe out everything near alarms
craggy pier
But if a wave spawns in a room the scout's in, and they scream after breaking the door it will alert the scout
shrewd dirge
standard course is clear out anything 2 rooms away.
unless you want the bigger pull of enemies
craggy pier
Clear everything you think might be a spawn point
||Or alert the scouts then pull the alarm||
frigid obsidian
Yeah, we wiped them out. Thank you guys.
valid helm
has a multiplayer search fro team option been added yet
craggy pier
Not yet
valid helm
how long has the game been out again ??
craggy pier
EA started at December 2019
valid helm
ok so just laziness ty wanted to know
pearl badger
EA = early access which isnt release
vital sierra
hey, i just want to be here and judge people
that's all i wanted to do
peace out
pearl badger
hey alpha?
vital sierra
hi
pearl badger
Do we have a speedrunner community?
vital sierra
yes?
pearl badger
it doesnt feel like it 😭
vital sierra
you're telling me, no one wanna speedrun a hardcore game?
that's needed a team to be fast?
i wonder why
pearl badger
sad
craggy pier
When MM started in alpha in R4
pearl badger
tbh, he just doesnt realise the work needed for it
craggy pier
When the game literally suffered when MM released
vital sierra
they release MM in alpha so they stop complaining
pearl badger
also true, MM is trash currently. I use it once in a while for luls
pearl badger
i somehow still manage PEs in those
craggy pier
also true, MM is trash currently. I use it once in a while for luls
Its not trash, the people who use it make it bad
craggy pier
Literally people join the server only to complain about how bad MM is
pearl badger
I mean by that, the people who uses it are bored people, trolls, cheaters or new players that dont communicate
vital sierra
this remind me of payday 2
the game have everything in it
MM
voice chat
kick and ban
they have voice chat but never use it
make it a little lackluster for any devs to look at
you make it
and then no one use it
dire hinge
how do i play with friends
craggy pier
Host, then DM them the lobby ID
vital sierra
craggy pier
dire hinge
thanks
vital sierra
just a reminder that
if you meet a cheater
there is nothing you can do since it's a pve game
flat rock
ok so just laziness ty wanted to know
mmm yes laziness with a feature that is already achieved by playing in the LFGs of the Discord. Very much sense. Especially when the MM itself is in an alpha state with few features. Big brain
craggy pier
People always find something to complain about
flat rock
True
craggy pier
Rather than actually try to sample every resource they have
lapis mauve
just a reminder that
P2P hosting makes the game insecure by design. Just look at rockstar and GTA V hahaha
craggy pier
there is nothing you can do since it's a pve game
Just leave, easy
vital sierra
Just leave, easy
that's accepting defeat but there is literally nothing you can do so you're in a lose - lose situation
craggy pier
is it a well known fact that you can 1 burst titans from the front?
You can't
apparently you can and i just had 2 people rq on me in b1 for not knowing it xD
hazy oak
How? Isn't the head destroyed too quickly for you to get that much bonus damage on it?
craggy pier
he said something about dragging from chest to head or vice versa
cant remember cos he was extremely toxic about the whole thing
I think mash knows how
Not sure
hazy oak
Can you test it by shooting at them from above? Blow up the head and have the rest of the hits just land in the uh neck hole?
craggy pier
@rotund jasper can you 1 burst a giant with the BC?
i merely asked cos i was suspicious since he did it numerous times and ive never seen it
hazy oak
It makes me curious. I can never be sure and I always get surprised.
craggy pier
i'm just confused cos this guy was so mad about it like it was the most obviously known fact of the game
hazy oak
Lol, not sure what crawled up his ass being that sweaty about B1 but there's all sorts of players, I guess.
Enough to rage quit.
craggy pier
Did he try to shoot the head first then pull down or he starts from the body and nowhere else?
i'm not sure
neon gust
What its wrong with people lol
craggy pier
he just runs b1 ext over and over so i guess thats why
Running 1 expedition a lot doesn't mean he knows everything about the game
steel valley
i don't think you can one burst to the front
it takes 7 bc shots to the front body to kill iirc
with a headshot its still 6
hazy oak
Does the first burst hit cause enough to explode the head?
rotund jasper
<@!561058408522973190> can you 1 burst a giant with the BC?
only at the back I think
steel valley
probably cheating tbh
rotund jasper
And at least 1 shot have to land at the back of the head
steel valley
he got mad cause you were catching on
craggy pier
i guess so haha
rotund jasper
From the back or front?
neon gust
front
craggy pier
it was consistent on like 8 giants in the space of a minute though
hazy oak
To the lab, I guess.
craggy pier
yeah ive been dropping down in d1 and i cant pull it off
dragging from chest to head and vice versa
rotund jasper
Idk, I tried to kill a giant in 1 burst during that all 5 shot on head challenge
it's hard, nearly impossible
rotund jasper
I think letting it go up is easier
craggy pier
Ah
Him
either cheating or a god
Yeah, he's special
Not in a good way
Might want to delete the name because da roolz
shrewd dirge
a sheet of damage numbers?
craggy pier
4 = for?
vital sierra
4 shots = headshot and body shot
craggy pier
Pog
pearl badger
4 burst bullet in the back, 3 if one is in the head
vital sierra
imma drop in B2 with burst cannon
easy
this is math
not test tho
so in theory
pearl badger
that was my test results
vital sierra
it could happen
craggy pier
4 shot to kill big striker front
really?
vital sierra
i mean the rayalot sheet
pearl badger
keep in mind the distance.
steel valley
looking at the spreadsheet it should still be a 2 burst from the head
vital sierra
looking at the spreadsheet it should still be a 2 burst from the head
yes
vital sierra
i tried to confirmed if 1 shot head shot cause it to explode or not
1 shot and the striker are headless
unless your ping is like 300
shrewd dirge
maybe do a two burst to the head. then burst cancel the rest?
maybe lingering head hitbox
steel valley
even with 2 headshots it still would survive because of the giant hp glitch
same reason 3 hammers to the back barely won't kill
craggy pier
Rounding error is what causes it right?
steel valley
not sure why it happens, but its a thing
vital sierra
because you can 1 tap the giant with autopistol
steel valley
thats why giants are 7 bc shots instead of 6 to the front
vital sierra
6 shot
1 head shot and 5 body shot
unless you can get 2 head shot if that's even possible with normal ping
craggy pier
so even if it was possible to pull it off b2b like that would be incredible
craggy pier
i think he was host
shrewd dirge
not tying your gun to your lag switch
vital sierra
you will need 6 shot
craggy pier
ok good to know
vital sierra
unless
craggy pier
"i dont want to play with someone who doesnt know you can 1 burst from front"
craggy pier
first one he was directly in front of
vital sierra
nope
ain't happening
either he's using mod to boost his burst cannon damage up ( cheating )
or he's super laggy ( but he's not )
shrewd dirge
i dont want to play with someone who doesnt know you can 1 pistol from the front
craggy pier
thanks for all the info everyone
gentle heart
Would it be possible to run the game on a gtx 1080 at 1440p 60fps
steel valley
probably
i have a 1080 ti and it runs at around 100-150 fps on max settings
1440p as well
ember marlin
can scouts be pushed? if so how do you kill them whilest pushing them, and is it even useful?
shrewd dirge
After they recover from a shove (basically instantly) they scream
topaz anvil
If you have 4 people shoving a scout indefinitely could you protect yourself from it screaming
shrewd dirge
In terms of physically being moved, a scout can walk into another scout and slide it.
ember marlin
so once you shove them its essentially going to alert no matter what?
ember marlin
well in that case whats the best way to take out scouts lol
topaz anvil
Burst cannon
ember marlin
oh is that a one burst shot kill for them?
topaz anvil
I think 2 shells have to hit?
ember marlin
so like two of the five bullets in the charge?
shrewd dirge
It would be possible to 2x body shot if two people charged hammers at the same time
topaz anvil
Technically any weapon can take out the scout if you're lucky enough
ember marlin
well wdym shells?
shrewd dirge
However, honestly, i only shoot scouts when i cant be bothered, or its camping on sleepers
ember marlin
hmm
flat rock
I think 2 shells have to hit?
No, for BC only one bullet needs to hit scout.
topaz anvil
O
flat rock
It has to hit head, but it only requires one
topaz anvil
Imagine using BC unironically :')
ember marlin
so basically BC is meta for scouts?
shrewd dirge
He means 2/5 bullets from burst cannon volley
flat rock
Have been since the beginning of the rundown
flat rock
so basically BC is meta for scouts?
BC is meta period because the weapon is broken strong and has bugs that people like to abuse
topaz anvil
Burst cannon has been meta for everything
shrewd dirge
How many for body shots? I forget
topaz anvil
If you bring burst cannon abuse and kite, you can literally cheese every level
flat rock
2
ember marlin
im honestly so confused about the scout thing lol
flat rock
How
ember marlin
so there are 5 bullets in a shot. how many of those five have to hit to kill a scout?
flat rock
You hammer it to the head with a full charge, you use one sniper shot to head or back, you use at least one shot of BC to head or multiple to body, you shoot a Choke Mod to the face.
topaz anvil
All autopistol shots to the back of the head
shrewd dirge
Less than 5 need to hit for bc
flat rock
of head
topaz anvil
Can 4 simultaneous hammer swings kill a scout
flat rock
Go have fun trying
soft kiln
it can
topaz anvil
Pog
shrewd dirge
It can but its not easy
topaz anvil
That's literally the only way I am gonna kill scouts now
shrewd dirge
Just full charge aim for head
topaz anvil
Too easy
Make scouts 2 full charge to head, therefore either requiring a syringe or encouraging teamwork
Also making game harder
Because teamwork is hars
Hard
flat rock
It really isn't, brain deads make it hard
topaz anvil
Ping makes it hard
flat rock
Again, not even then lol
ember marlin
You hammer it to the head with a full charge, you use one sniper shot to head or...
does hitting it w the sniper shot trigger the whole room?
soft kiln
yes and no at the same time
topaz anvil
Shooting will trigger a room if close enough
topaz anvil
It won't if you abuse the door bug but yes
flat rock
If you are shooting in the room it is in it will wake
tropic ferry
No, for BC only one bullet needs to hit scout.
huh i thought it was only 1 to back of head
tropic ferry
nice
flat rock
sad guh how people will cancel abuse that now
I should just stop giving people actually useful information
Cause it just gets bug abused to shit
topaz anvil
Quickscoping with the sniper
flat rock
It's still a competitor, it just doesn't see the light of day cause no one wants to bring it
tropic ferry
because of the cancel bc is just more versatile
flat rock
I mean even if you don't cancel you still use less ammo % compared to sniper
tropic ferry
true
but bc has a not bad wave clearing potential
20 kills per mag is pretty good compared to other secondaries
topaz anvil
It do be clearing waves tho
soft kiln
the ammo efficient is not there
and the total damage per mags too
tropic ferry
19/20 bullets per pack, i would say its pretty strong for refills right now
flat rock
You can't even compare a 20 mag weapon to a 2 mag weapon in terms of total damage per mag
tropic ferry
true
topaz anvil
Average damage per shot
flat rock
Sniper is vastly superior then
topaz anvil
2/3
flat rock
30%
topaz anvil
Sniper viable for clearing waves 😳
soft kiln
the way everything levels after A has 'boss' enemies
its more viable to get burst canon
flat rock
idk wym by boss enemy, cause that's not even the case
tropic ferry
if only sniper didnt get so screwed by the bubble damage cap
topaz anvil
Everything needs to be rebalanced
flat rock
I mean not really
soft kiln
yes you could burst two sniper shots on the tumors
flat rock
There's plenty of things that do not need a balance
neon gust
If theres a lot of giants
bring sniper
If theres a lot of bosses or shit
bring burst canon
sniper its a fun weapon
topaz anvil
Make every enemy unkillable and have the only weapon that does damage be the sniper
Easy
Fair game
tropic ferry
burst cannon is still better against giants
soft kiln
yes
flat rock
Nah
neon gust
burst cannon is still better against giants
Of course, but sniper its a lot safer pick when it comes to distance
flat rock
I don't consider B2 to have a mother
neon gust
also not been a meta bitch
flat rock
You literally never need to go in the zone it's in
Unless you for whatever reason decide to
Or get like 1/10000
tropic ferry
ive had to go in there 2 times
flat rock
and get the shittiest rng possible for osip
topaz anvil
I only bring burst cannon for randomiser runs
tropic ferry
didnt even see mother first time
neon gust
what if you always do b2 full clear every time you play it
tropic ferry
2nd time didnt wake it up
neon gust
flat rock
You mean like us Black?
Yes
It does matter, if you don't actually encounter it why should it be factored
tropic ferry
in highs its only 4/12
flat rock
Well then it matters then, but for general it doesn't matter. Levels where you regularly or are forced to deal with the boss enemy are levels you should actually consider
tropic ferry
charger/giant charger/tank ???/mother/pmother
tropic ferry
eh
topaz anvil
Fun fact if you leave babies for too long they grow into mothers
tropic ferry
id put babies under striker catagory
baby/striker/giant
topaz anvil
I was the baby
neon gust
LESS GO
tropic ferry
what if dababy is new boss enemy r5 😳
lusty bramble
less goo
lusty bramble
less goo
neon gust
Lesssssssssss goo
soft kiln
I will turn a mother into a convertible
neon gust
Ill turn a tank into a glowstick
lusty bramble
😱
neon gust
🤪
soft kiln
I will turn a dmr into a sentry
lusty bramble
🤪
inland zealot
🍿
lusty bramble
🍿
soft kiln
dmr primary dmr secondary dmr sentry dmr melee dadream
inland zealot
I’ll turn you into a skeleton in 10.5 seconds
lusty bramble
sans 😳
neon gust
I turn emilia into a lock melter
topaz anvil
DMR autosentry
inland zealot
DMR autosentry
Heresy
lusty bramble
less goo
neon gust
less go
topaz anvil
Oop wrong message 👀
lusty bramble
less goo
topaz anvil
Less goo
neon gust
less goo!!
lusty bramble
less goo
ruby wasp
Concept : sleepers but they carry an auto sentry on their heads
shrewd dirge
thats just a hybrid with less steps
thick rivet
why are room numbers 69 and 169 disabled
open pecan
I wonder how 10CC decides on the expedition names 
austere bronze
well there's definite some thought to it
c3 is all about chargers
and cuernos translates to "horns"
referring to the spiky heads
open pecan
Got that much
austere bronze
pabulum is interesting
maybe its just referring how it takes ages
compared to the other c-levels lmao
open pecan
I honestly completely forget about it sometimes, it's weird
"bland or insipid entertainment"
sharp bolt
Yo anyone know how hard A2 PE is compared to the other levels in the rundown?
tacit zealot
Definetly one of the easier PE sections. A2 Overload is a very small section, arguably the easiest PE, compared to A3, however I think it's just a bit harder than A3.
shrewd dirge
A2 is definitely slightly harder for beginner parties because of hesitation.
i find A3 more of a pain in the ass because its longer.
the longer you take during error alarm sections with scouts around, the more hairy it becomes.
sharp bolt
ok thank you, me and my friends who are new to the game are trying to get through this right now and were on like try number 11 lol
austere bronze
imo a2 pe is quite a lot harder
pearl badger
hmm i had no trouble with A2 PE with 2 new players 🤔 or almost
As long as you learn how to kill alerted ennemies with hammers and scouts silently, you should be fine
shrewd dirge
i mean, i just shot the scouts because lazy.
austere bronze
those scouts are pretty much guaranteed to get set of by forward spawn, unless you are incredibly lucky
craggy pier
That's why I go hunting scouts in both A2, and A3 overloads
vital sierra
there is a trick that force them to spawn somewhere else
craggy pier
Or go outside if they spawn forwards
vital sierra
you can split 3 - 1 and make the 3 players go somewhere far away
open pecan
Am I just seeing things weirdly or do the prisoners have different masks in promotional art than they do in-game?
sullen aspen
Hey guys, I'm wondering if anybody has heard of or experienced this issue before?
My friend, who we usually have host the game, or is player 1, is unable to stumble large strikers/shooters/chargers.
He fully charges the hammer swing, but his attack never seems to stumble the enemy. We've even had him attack first, and the big striker immediately swings to attack us instead of being stumbled.
shrewd dirge
if you're ever around id like to observe him
ruby wasp
I got a similar issue but restarting the game was enough to fix it
vital sierra
would you guys call extraction alarm... an error alarm?
craggy pier
technically ye
steel valley
it's just a bit weird on some levels like c1
the extraction alarm begins as soon as the ball goes into the nframe, and doesn't change when you get on scan
so you could just call it an extract alarm that begins very early, but most people call it an error
distant ice
hmm
well i guess that also makes entry error alarms weird tho
it's the same thing from the other side, you have an error until you do your objective
it's probably better to just separate error alarm into specifically error alarm (e.g. door says it's error) and leave all others alone
the line is too blurry otherwise
vital sierra
alright
craggy pier
The way I see it, error alarms always roar, and trickle alarms don't
steel valley
you could separate it into error alarms (doors that explicitly state error and maybe entry errors), extract alarms (begins when you touch circle) and objective alarms (when you complete/start an objective)
so c1 high/d2 overload would be objective alarms instead of errors
distant ice
The way I see it, error alarms *always* roar, and trickle alarms don't
the trickle thing is weird to start with for me but i specifically remember ludvig referring to R3D1 as trickle, i think for devs trickle and error are the exact same thing
for the roar, wesley i believe made a point that makes sense, it's related to how many enemies spawn
objective alarm makes sense to me
vital sierra
the small the wave are the silent is it?
steel valley
i think if it's one or two enemies it's silent
vital sierra
i didn't catch up on that conversation
distant ice
🤔 quality english but yes what mit said
distant ice
imagine reading general
but yeah so he said it for R2C2 too
i think it's definitely the same thing for them
actually though
both of those are the non-error-alarm kind
sudden burrow
The way I see it, extraction alarms are started by either standing in the extraction circle or opening the zone with said circle, everything else is error class
But I can agree with arguments for things like C1 high or C2ov deserving something like “objective alarm”
After a certain point though it’s really just semantics and could all be grouped under “persistent” or “trickle” alarm without much trouble
vital sierra
do we still want to call it like "objective alarm" or just stick with extraction alarm
craggy pier
Alarm
sand scaffold
We’ve always called anything that isn’t explicitly an error alarm an infinite alarm and called it good there
vital sierra
it make sense to call it error alarm since the mechanic is little to no different
distant ice
the trigger is different
that's a significant detail
and besides
early access, there might come other changes to it
inner basalt
Is there a maximum amount of babies that can be alive at the same time? Or will the mother just spawn them without ending ?
distant ice
at the end of the day who cares but it's not the same
vital sierra
Is there a maximum amount of babies that can be alive at the same time? Or will ...
each mother can spawn 40 babies
neon gust
80 babies afaik
sand scaffold
lore-wise, error alarms should have an end to them... being that it is just an alarm with an incalculable amount of spawns. But the other type has no ending to it unless you complete the expedition or die.
inner basalt
k thx
vital sierra
randomize amount of spawn
strange skiff
i would call every "long-term spawning mechanics" error alarm . I think extraction alarm are called this way because there is a big cercle to stand in.
Objectives alarm isn't used because it's technically an error alarm, but triggered by an object instead of a door
distant ice
or because error alarms only became a thing in R2 🤔
topaz anvil
Error Alarms more like fun times
distant ice
as kolohe said we basically called all that type of baloney simply infinite alarms
neon gust
I mean extraction alarms was basically r1
finish objective = alarm/trickle whatever you wanna call it
r2 introduce infinite spawns as door triggers with the error alarms
theyre kinda two different things but do the exact same thing
spark wolf
what if we put a security door with an error alarm right before the forward extraction tile 
neon gust
Im fine with calling them trickle/error/infinite because lets be honest they do the same thing
neon gust
what if we put a security door with an error alarm right before the forward extr...
Also its the first time you ever seen one and its literally 75% into a E level 🤡
Also it ramps up on spawns too!
AND the rundown ends in like a week
ember marlin
boys how did you guys beat a1 solo? strats and loadouts please?
craggy pier
Kite
strange skiff
kite if you get submerged by sleepers during alarm.
Mine deployer or senty are good in A1.
You can get cfoam (nades or trip mines) for the high bulkhead alarm if this one is difficult for you
loadouts, you can go with everything. There is, normally, no giants on A1 so you don't need weapons to take care of them
distant ice
there can be both sleeper and alarm giants iirc
craggy pier
A tier alarms can still spawn giants
neon gust
A tier alarms can still spawn giants
First class 2 go brrrrr
sullen aspen
did any part explode?
Sorry, posted this before going to bed.
Yeah, from what I can remember, his hits never blow up any parts. He says he fully charges up the swing, the circle will flash to indicate it is fully charged, but his hits don't stagger or break any parts.
When the 4 of us all fully charge hit the big striker at once, we'll kill it, so we know he is doing dmg, it's just that his attacks don't seem to break any parts or stumble them. It's weird.
distant ice
Sorry, posted this before going to bed.
Yeah, from what I can remember, his hit...
where's he hitting tho
try making him hit an arm or a leg
sullen aspen
I should probably make him stream his game in discord so I can watch him actually doing the hit to see if he's doing anything different.
But a fully charged hit should break each part of a body, shouldn't it?
Head, arms, legs, chest. A fully charged hit on the chest should make a hole in the chest, right?