SHIT cyst spawns
#gtfo-related-questions
distant ice
I mean they're much rarer now but in places you do find them they can still be fkn unflashable
austere bronze
get infected 10% every time you try to pass
neon gust
shotgun sentry was bugged, so people would enforce you that sentry
E1 notorious fps drops
dull gate
i just hate B1
told my duo that we're just not doing that until we get better
but we haven't cleared a single B level yet
neon gust
r4b2 high its pretty chill
dull gate
starting to get close but B has fog and i hate it
neon gust
non infectious fog
distant ice
You should try r2b4 if you don't like the parts I'm thinking of
dull gate
yeah im practicing kiting and melee on b2 rn solo
dull gate
You should try r2b4 if you don't like the parts I'm thinking of
wait are you talking about R4B2?
neon gust
if your doing high r4b2 doesnt require kiting at all
dull gate
but yeah b2 high is quite chill i just dislike my vision being impaired so i guess i got the wrong game lmao
distant ice
R2B4
austere bronze
im thinking about the infections zones
dull gate
(I love the game btw)
austere bronze
septic was the expedition name i think
dull gate
just hard playing duo for all
neon gust
you cant
austere bronze
yeah that level's in the past now
dull gate
yeah thought as much
distant ice
Not literally try
neon gust
he was just emphazising the fact that r2b4 had shit fog
distant ice
Check it out
austere bronze
i think you got 2 turbines in r2b4 for some reason
dull gate
lol
neon gust
pretty pog if you ask me
distant ice
Turbine was the objective
neon gust
double the turbine double the fun
dull gate
@wispy olive and myself clearing B1 make it to the final door (for high) only to realise we don't have enough equip to handle the IV alarm(if i remember) and then the trap
plus the two big circles... which take forever solo
neon gust
learning aiming and game mechanics its better than hammer and kite
in the long run it pays better
dull gate
where both fairly use to fps so shooting im alright and he's good, but wdym by game mechhanics more spec.
neon gust
since your doing high only duos, mastering stealth its better than kite
dull gate
I've got a good typing speed and comfortable on the terminals
neon gust
learning how to setup, the two rooms away spawning and stuff like that
dull gate
yeah we do as much stealth as possible until we complete something
neon gust
optimizing your tools for the map your bringing it
dull gate
yeah we're alright for that stuff, in general what tools would you recommend
i run mine he runs c foam
neon gust
depends on the map obviously
dull gate
yeah gotchu
neon gust
b1 i did two sentries since we did extreme
dull gate
ah okay
neon gust
of course that doing extreme
if it were to do high only, i would most likly feel comfortable with cfoam and mines since theres 2 alarms you gotta do
and you have one sneaky but generous resource room
dull gate
||just scouting out the map for C2, first door is trapped... lol||
neon gust
yeah you have one blood door and one alarm
its good to do the blood door before the alarm
to force the spawns further
since the starting room its hilariously small, and they will spawn at the drop zone
dull gate
oop
yeah so that was something i was trying to figure out
does open/closed doors manipulate enemy spawns
austere bronze
not spawns, but pathing
dull gate
hmm okay
neon gust
that just like a lot of things, depends on the map and room layout
austere bronze
well, open security and bulkhead doors can add new valid spawns
opening the trapped door in c2 allows a valid spawn that is further away
and behind doors you can mine
neon gust
*do blood door
*consume resources from that area
*start alarm
*send one guy to defend after doing first sequence
austere bronze
scans like to go all over the place
dull gate
smacking scout, orange hit marker on head, proceeds to scream...
? bug or im doing someting wrong
dull gate
yeah okay thoughts so 🥲
flat rock
It's most definitely not your fault, I have a recording of the same thing happening when I played with an Oceanic host
Not much you can really do about it
distant ice
i'd complain about gtfo networking again but i've done it so many times already
vital sierra
it didn't happen for me with perfectly fine connection ... yet
so i don't have a saying here
my highest ping would be above 200 pings where that happen often
below that, hardly
distant ice
not that we can know what the game thinks the ping is
ember ledge
chaps
is there something you can unlock by doing hard rundowns
like some sort of reward?
almost like a destiny raid, is there something you can get at the end of the rundown or is it just playing the game for the experience
ruby wasp
no
vital sierra
no, not yet
they just introduced the new layer difficulty this rundown
that's the first step
right now, beating a higher difficulty let you skip 1 tier of level
atomic robin
i mean, you'll need to play most maps anyway to unlock everything, even then that's if you can beat the maps
static escarp
is d2’s fog turbine worth getting after finishing ext
vital sierra
nah
static escarp
didn’t think so either. do you eat infection or use fog repellers?
if fog repellers, what if we find and are holding onto c-foam tripmines/nades?
vital sierra
that's a tough choice
covert oracle
Consume fog
wary linden
You only need like 5 fog repellers at max on the level
That 's if you are slow. If you are on time you should need like 3
So you really need only a single person with fog repellers. Preferably NOT the guy that is re c-foaming the door though
atomic robin
mine player is useful for multiple things, for example, carrying fog resellers
timid crane
new player here... my group is stuck on b1 and a lot of tips we've gotten is to stealth as much as we can (we're pretty bad at taking down the heavies with melee). my question is will the class 3 alarm door in zone 54 trigger all of the enemies that we've passed in previous zones?
distant ice
sleepers can be triggered by gunshots (certain distance or 2 rooms (iirc)) and screams of other enemies in the same room
basically if it's somewhere wave enemies can spawn, they might get triggered
timid crane
so if its further than 2 rooms we dont have to worry about them?
distant ice
would be irresponsible to say that's always the case but yes
timid crane
also, do spitters trigger enemies?
timid crane
alright thanks for the help
sudden burrow
Alarms themselves do not set off enemies, that’s the key here.
The enemies that they spawn can set off others, but as folks here have said, they only spawn two rooms away
Spitters do not set things off, from my experience
But also zone 53 just sucks
shrewd dirge
@timid crane
spitters can trigger, but they need to be actually hit by the blast, its rare.
practice both chain staggering giants, and synced whacking. only melee giants from behind. if chain staggering, aim for unbroken limbs.
bring fog repellers for the class 3 scan.
bring the spare cell for the loot room behind the class 3.
burst cannon is an efficient killer of giant strikers.
giant shooters can be soloed with melee; jump as you swing and aim for back of head for faster solo killing, sometimes can be done silently if it does not scream.
you generally want to clear at least two letter rooms distance from the scan, but doing so is ill advised because if you have to retreat away from the scan into previous zones, you might force a spawn behind with the enemies in the prior zones. this is only a real difficulty on longer scans.
you can foam and mine the entrance to the class 3 room; keep it foamed til the alarm is done, and you'll have very few problems with the alarm.
remember, sleepers are alerted by:
some things you do near enough to them
and when an enemy decides to scream in a room with sleepers.
sour grove
When a room is big, how to you see a room divider ? to know where the enemies will spawn
shrewd dirge
sometimes a wall letter might change
covert oracle
being able to see it takes some time to understand, sometimes it's easy to tell sometimes it's rough
sour grove
ok i understand
craggy pier
Depends on the tile/tileset
sour grove
the letter on the wall is the only way to see one ?
craggy pier
Mhm
shrewd dirge
sometimes you wont get a letter change.
covert oracle
sometimes there's like structures that kinda look like a room divider
sour grove
like stairs or anything that cut the room in 2 ?
craggy pier
A3's first scout room is a good example, its not obvious but its 2 rooms
covert oracle
true yeah
sour grove
ok i see thank you all !
indigo wraith
What is the best way to complete B3?
wooden osprey
on what difficulty?
indigo wraith
high
wooden osprey
sentry and mines
wooden osprey
if you want you can get some c-foam
indigo wraith
which sentries
indigo wraith
alright, we'll attempt it
craggy pier
Ya'll are fast with the terminal commands I presume
shrewd dirge
Being poor on terminals can be agonizing.
Sometimes, if you know where the waves will be, we dont even bother setting up more than a mine and a sentry in case flanked
sudden burrow
Important thing to remember about terminal objectives is that the up arrow key is your best friend
Copies the previously executed command into the command line, can be pressed multiple times to cycle back further
Generally good for grabbing the verify commands and then deleting & replacing the keyword
shrewd dirge
Basically, once the codes appear, you should already be ready.
Lord help you if you type from scratch.
indigo wraith
Well, my team always seems to run low on ammo early in the level
shrewd dirge
Are they using guns for minor alerts?
indigo wraith
Yeah, for the beginning class two
shrewd dirge
Are they using guns on the cleanup?
indigo wraith
sometimes
shrewd dirge
Probably coming down to gun choice, or not hammering enough.
indigo wraith
yeah, we tend to wake up rooms full of enemies and have to resort to guns
shrewd dirge
Or ignoring the scans
sudden burrow
If there’s not too many enemies hammer should always be pref
craggy pier
Unless you trigger a giant, its best to use hammers
indigo wraith
It's just i run with two new people, so they kinda rely on their guns more than their hammer
craggy pier
Better time to get used to hammer combat earlier than later
shrewd dirge
If theyre new, all the better of the time to give em the ol quick rundown on how to bonk
sudden burrow
Learning can be slow, it’s most important to not get frustrated
craggy pier
Its fine to get frustrated, just don't give up trying
sudden burrow
Game’s hard for new folks, we were all there at some point
sudden burrow
I’ve not used LFG much, most of what I’ve picked up on was either through brief LFG experiences, my own experience, or occasional videos
I’ve not watched a single guide
But I’ve been playing since early R1
indigo wraith
I just notice when seeing my team fight, that most of the weapons and tools are just useless when a bunch of them bundle up, because you get overwhelmed and can't prioritize which enemy to shoot
shrewd dirge
Unless youre doing a reactor mission, its generally a bad idea to stand your ground
sudden burrow
Always be makin’ distance
indigo wraith
well, running is just suicide, they'll lick you dead as you run
sudden burrow
Stagger and move
shrewd dirge
Wrong
indigo wraith
My team is perfectly fine until the door goes down, then in seconds one member will go down, and then we lose men faster than we can kill em'
wooden osprey
well you can hold your ground
if you try hard enough
i cant as reactor levels= AHHHHHHHHHHH DEYSNC IM DYING
shrewd dirge
Running is one of the easiest means of survival
indigo wraith
Running seems to work, but by the end of it, we have all lost 80% of our health
shrewd dirge
Then youre lacking knowledge on dodging
sudden burrow
They’re new blood, cut them some slack
wooden osprey
agree
indigo wraith
Should we put the sentries facing the door on the outside or inside?
wooden osprey
well it depends on what sentry
shrewd dirge
Depends on type of sentry
indigo wraith
Which one is more efficient?
shrewd dirge
Sniper out, burst/auto in imo
indigo wraith
so, burst and auto in so when the door goes down, it staggers them?
sudden burrow
Auto is not a damage sentry, it’s made for the stagger
You want it placed where you can make use of the stagger, basically
indigo wraith
ah, I see, we've been using them as killing sentries
sudden burrow
Burst is alright for killing, but auto hell naw
shrewd dirge
Though, if you dont have mines or ammo, your hands might be tied
wooden osprey
auto sentry does 2 hitpoints of damage
indigo wraith
so, should we run, 1 C-foam, 2 auto sentries, and mines?
craggy pier
auto sentry does 2 hitpoints of damage
It does 1 or less
shrewd dirge
For b3 i personally enjoyed cfoam mine, sniper, auto.
sudden burrow
^Same
wooden osprey
i always did pe
sudden burrow
3x uplink, 2x alarm door, relatively low resources...
craggy pier
Thinking about it, you might be able to get away without using mines for B3 PE
might
wooden osprey
you might
sudden burrow
My group didn’t run mines for PE, pffff
wooden osprey
but if you do its going to be a challenge as you dont have that clearing power as you always do
mines are just op
craggy pier
The only times mines are good for B3 PE are the uplinks, the 364/5 alarm, and the blood door
shrewd dirge
Id advise against no mine. Without mines, you might as well keep doors open.
indigo wraith
I see mines as useless, I like using them, bu they only kill one, maybe two
craggy pier
You're placing them wrong if you kill only one
shrewd dirge
Then something is wrong
indigo wraith
was there a specific way I was supposed to be placing them?
wooden osprey
I see mines as useless, I like using them, bu they only kill one, maybe two
than you are useing them wrong da
yes close door
put mine on the door
indigo wraith
out or in of door?
wooden osprey
15/10 enemys gone
craggy pier
In the room you're in
wooden osprey
you put it on the frame of the door
and you put it inside
than whenever they break a door
they die
poof
indigo wraith
I do that, but still like 25 enemies are gunna come through
craggy pier
Like this #gtfo-media message
sudden burrow
Better than 30
wooden osprey
I do that, but still like 25 enemies are gunna come through
put more mines smh
shrewd dirge
Advanced tips are, when you can, point the mines at the door
indigo wraith
I thought more than one mine had the same effect as one
wooden osprey
agree as mines kill everything infront of them like a blast zone
wooden osprey
I thought more than one mine had the same effect as one
well not in the same spot
indigo wraith
That's what I was thinking
sudden burrow
Mines are weird
shrewd dirge
Putting mines on top of eachother is useless, yes.
shrewd dirge
Put them in varied positions in which they won't destroy eachothet
swift reef
Is there still the bug of the mine not creating an explosion?
wooden osprey
Is there still the bug of the mine not creating an explosion?
well they still kill but ye
indigo wraith
What is the best map where I can experiment with mines
wooden osprey
A1/A2
swift reef
C1 has a lot of blood doors
shrewd dirge
I was able to shoot a mine pb and not take damage, so, maybe bugs still there
sudden burrow
Yeah C1 seems nice for mine testing, even the first alarm door can be good
(The cIII keycard door, not the generator door)
atomic robin
the bug still ecustsy
steel valley
the c1 blood doors are kinda weird though
wooden osprey
yes as in like you can open all 3 blood doors with 9 mines\
steel valley
all the chargers spawn in a straight line in c1 if you aren't enemy capped
so it's really easy to kill them all with 2 mines consistently
indigo wraith
But won't mines blow up the door?
shrewd dirge
If you put the mine on the hot side, yeah
wooden osprey
if you put them outside they will :/
thats why you put them inside
so when door is broken it will hit
indigo wraith
ah, i see
steel valley
doors at full health don't take any damage from mines iirc
atomic robin
even if i hit doors and then blow up the mines, it stays intact usually
shrewd dirge
Funny that hammering the padlock damages the door
atomic robin
lol, does it actually?
shrewd dirge
Yeah, watch the door when you do it. Also i think it makes it want 1 more foam as well
atomic robin
lol
distant ice
Big doubt
You probably just managed to do the same thing as when you hit two enemies
shrewd dirge
Potentially me just being crazy. Ill test it again later.
spark wolf
it shows some similar behaviour as damaging the door does
which doesn't have to mean that it damages the door
dull gate
so ummmm, 2 room rule? is that still something to go by? bc in our runs its failing
vital sierra
2 room rule
dull gate
yeah they spawn in neighbouring rooms rather then 2 rooms away
craggy pier
Its mission dependent
Like in B2 high with an error alarm, they'll spawn forwards in 88 because that's the closest "2 rooms" away
vital sierra
the mechanic also did this
it will choose randomly 1 player
and then from that player, spawn 2 rooms away
austere bronze
so ummmm, 2 room rule? is that still something to go by? bc in our runs its fail...
you're doing b3 uplinks right?
dull gate
yeah
austere bronze
uplinks have a special rule
the enemies must spawn in the same zone as the terminal
so for one of the b3 zones
its literally 3 rooms
2 of which are next to the terminal
so they will always spawn 1 room away
dull gate
ah yep thats what we had
craggy pier
You can manipulate the pathing to make defending easy in uplinks
dull gate
do tell
hidden phoenix
Anyone got any tips on stealth killing monsters? My buddy and I keep going through A1 but whenever we kill an enemy the other enemies get triggered
ruby wasp
wait for the other sleeper to start sleeping
if it's right near the sleeper you want to kill, there's a good chance it'll trigger (also they are more sensitive to movements when you're close to them, so careful about that)
Also you can light them up for a short moment (even less than 0.5s is fine) to force them waking up then go back to sleep
In the end you can influence the sleepers' patterns to choose when to attack without triggering the nearby ones
onyx dust
also, if you triggered nearest sleepers you still may kill em by hammer faster then they wake up all room (growling and whole room would trigger)
steel valley
if you are in attack range they will 95% attack before screaming
ruby wasp
aim at their neck (a no-charge melee hit is enough if you hit them right into the neck)
steel valley
if they are staggered they won't scream
so you can try to recover by shoving them
and have your teammate finish the job
hallow laurel
why tho
austere bronze
hammers on woken sleepers make no noise
hallow laurel
huh
austere bronze
useful if there are too many close together to stealth kill
hallow laurel
so many strats are just understanding the exact jank of the game
spark wolf
but the shove will make noise instead
unreal edge
what do you do once you have opened the high bulkhead door on C3 PE? How do you take care of the giant chargers when you have the alarm going on? If everyone goes inside the high area the charger wave will spawn there
weary mesa
You can set up mines before going in
And lead them through them
or just shoot them well 
austere bronze
kill scout --> shoot giant chargers
sudden burrow
My group split 3-1, I sat back to shotgun the small chargers while they gunned down the bigs
At least one burst cannon recommended
craggy pier
does the b1 extraction point spawn enemies?
wooden osprey
no
craggy pier
thank you!
craggy pier
Question since it will be my first time playing again in a long time. Now that matchmaking in game is an option, can you voice chat in the game or do you need to be in a discord?
open pecan
I've introduced a friend of mine to GTFO and he said he's interested. I'd like to play A1 with him when he gets it, but I worry it'll end up being too easy since I know what things need to be done to win (which doors are good for C-Foaming, etc). If the the game isn't hard, it isn't fun. What should I do?
ruby wasp
Play with him but let him lead the game
thorny current
Tell him the essentials:
- how to do stealth
- how to do alarms
- maybe some basics about weapons
- dont do anything crazy (bunny hopping, kiting or something) so play slowly
- let him lead
- and have fun
ruby wasp
That may sound boring for your situation (since it'll be like playing on slow mode), but i can't think of another way for him to appreciate the game without being carried
open pecan
It might be a little slow but the idea of letting him call the shots actually sounds really fun! Thanks guys :)
jade lily
Quick question. For A2 while doing the Extreme objective, is it best to complete that before the primary Hard one? In the past HSUs when getting them for last objective in some other Rundowns triggered a hidden alarm and rush to the end. Is that true for this Extreme Objective?
wooden osprey
its better to do the main obj first as it is ez and you get supplys
jade lily
Alrighty, thankie. 
weary mesa
yea but don't put both cryos in extract
you can do extremes hsu scan but be ready for it
weary mesa
Pe but in reverse pog
same with C3
There's a few neat ways to do levels
A3 is another one of them
lament spoke
how far does another sleeper have to be without it waking up?
topaz anvil
like 5 metres
shrewd dirge
depends on its state and its direction
topaz anvil
you'll have sleepers waking up across a large room for no reason whatsoever sometimes
neon gust
you'll have sleepers waking up across a large room for no reason whatsoever some...
Ive always heard about that, never had that personally, how far would it be?
topaz anvil
20-25 metres
neon gust
20-25 metres
GODDAM
topaz anvil
maybe more
topaz anvil
I don't have any recordings of it, but an easy way to recreate it is kill an enemy as one really far away starts to glow on the same frame
shrewd dirge
ive had around 15 metres a few times. some times they're far enough that i cant even bunnyhop to it before it screams.
topaz anvil
I don't have any recordings of it, but an easy way to recreate it is kill an en...
This is also complete nonsense and i have no clue how it happenms
I think its something to do with the direction sleepers are facing when it happens and if they are glowing or not but I've had them wake up when fully asleep
sour vault
Hey Guys. I have seen the VR mod running with this game and have heard people were getting banned for using it. is this true or has the stance changed on the mod?
thorny current
Mods are not allowed. So it is forbidden to talk about or promote it, but you can use it I guess, As long as you are not running around screaming that you are using mods, then you should be fine.
sour vault
thats fair. I am not looking to stir up anything, Just legitimately curious.
thorny current
That is fine. 👍
craggy pier
Its fine to talk about the idea of mods, just not specific ones
There's a whole separate server for that
The future is now old man
frosty tinsel
YO
so
im doing c3 rn
on high
i just finished the room with scout after bulkhead
do the enimies come through the bulkhead door?
craggy pier
2 ways
craggy pier
From the key zone, and bulkhead door
frosty tinsel
:)
rugged dock
anyone know of a bug where all your cfoam goes through any and all doors? this is the 2nd map i've played and i can't cfoam any doors b/c they phase through (as opposed to the typical phasing through doors)
shrewd dirge
like, any floor 100% of the time c-foam misses?
flat rock
anyone know of a bug where all your cfoam goes through any and all doors? this i...
If you shoot too much foam in the same location the blobs will go through the door. It's best to spread out the foam when applying it.
rugged dock
like, any floor 100% of the time c-foam misses?
correct, i was on a2 and any door 100% would miss now i'm doing c1 and i can't foam any door.
rugged dock
i'll keep that in mind for if it happens again, thank you
forest loom
Hello! Does anyone have a link to R4D2 map? I want to analyse the fifth alarm spawns
sour panther
Is the full release going to be separate from the early access game?
wooden osprey
if you mean like you have to pay for the full release no
sour panther
ok, epic I have the game just wondered if they would re-release it like some games do
wary linden
Hello! Does anyone have a link to R4D2 map? I want to analyse the fifth alarm sp...
There is also a corean guide that contains all the maps of the current rundown on steam
forest loom
There is also a corean guide that contains all the maps of the current rundown o...
oôoh, do you have a link?
wary linden
Not on my pc right so no
forest loom
Not on my pc right so no
ok ty anyway
dull gate
where's the first apex door for R4?
wooden osprey
B1
dull gate
extreme?
shrewd dirge
yes
dull gate
or is it passed the trap on high
shrewd dirge
i dislike when they use apex doors for little reason.
dull gate
haven't encountered one yet 🤷♂️
shrewd dirge
too good of a set piece to be used randomly
dull gate
from what i've heard sounds like errors are the same
and even scouts to a degree, not enough variety of enemies/challenges so they end up having to overuse rather then create more original stuff
shrewd dirge
my gripes are the stair collision boxes, and enemy hitboxes, and the hammer damagebox
i shouldnt be able to airwalk down stairs, fall and take damage.
variety is good, but id prefer if they took another look at the core mechanics
dull gate
i find scout hitboxes buggy af but i could just be bad
man has the audiacity to yell when he almost touchs me smh
shrewd dirge
if a scout looks down, youll often hit the body because his back is higher than his head
if you're slightly off youll hit the shoulders
vital sierra
the game just being specific
dull gate
yeah 😦 sadness
dull gate
ikik
except for that one time it gave me the orange hit marker
smh
which levels are best for practicing scout kills solo
neon gust
A3
shrewd dirge
a3, b3.
shrewd dirge
they only hear the jump sound
dull gate
not even the landing?
sudden burrow
Should hear the landing, but it's not as loud as a sprint for some reason
shrewd dirge
probably because if you twist your ankle dropping off a 3 inch ledge it shouldnt set off the room
sudden burrow
I mean I guuueeeessssssss
shrewd dirge
clearly the solution to all this is to just give the running state priority to jumping
because they clearly want to maintain jumping as a mechanic
pearl badger
B2 extreme is amazing for speed scout killing practice
pearl badger
after some practice, i get 2 scout kills in 15 seconds
dull gate
damn
pearl badger
so yes, it a great place to practice the speed
and reflexes to react to what they decide to do when spreading tentacles
shrewd dirge
personally i like b3 better cause its more scouts for less effort.
pearl badger
B3 is just more sneaking
But its also a great place to practice sneaking and killing scouts with ennemies around
B2 is all about speed
D2 is ||shadows||
and A3 is to test how scouts react to what, at which range etc
shrewd dirge
makes sense
shrewd dirge
d2 it helps significantly if you grab a partner
pearl badger
one thing though, i once missed a B2 scout just because he put his head into the wall when spreading his tentacles
Thats one of the things that shouldnt happen
shrewd dirge
i take offense to ducking scouts
pearl badger
meh, ducking scout is fine, all you have to do is slide
if he has his back toward you, b hopping through and dealing a slam from the side works
just need to be quick and precise
which is what B2 is all about
👍
dull gate
im just bad at scout hunting 😦
pearl badger
All about practice
I used to have a 10% success rate
now its about 75%
90% for the ||shadows||
idk why, i find them easier
shrewd dirge
probably because the giant striker hitboxes are a bit more lenient than scout hitboxes
pearl badger
either that, or that i was already used to scout killing when i started killing those
shrewd dirge
probably a combination
craggy pier
Do you guys know if there will be added some form of progression / leveling as its the only thing really keeping me from playing
weary mesa
Probably next rundown but I don't know
This was the first rundown with big new thing to it which was layers
So It could be a few before they add progression
thorny current
Not sure if it is next Rundown, but you will be able to earn things when doing levels.
Later
So There is a plan for that
craggy pier
does the hel revolver onetap strikers?
steel valley
nope
craggy pier
😭
steel valley
still best weapon lol
vital sierra
back of the head
weary mesa
Pistol also does that
neon gust
😭
Pls dont use hel revo, it totally doesnt have the highest wave clearing capabilities in game
shrewd dirge
Hel revo is the worst at being bad :^)
jaunty tusk
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ruby wasp
no idea
it could be the next rundown
or in 4 rundowns
depends on the devs priorities
crude stream
Hopefully next rundown - I doubt the player base will remain for long if something along those lines doesn’t get added soon.
thorny current
I do not think this will happen next Rundown. I think the devs are working on mechanics to make this game more interesting to play.
vital sierra
the reason why the new rundown take a lot of time is because they are introducing dev tool to new devs
and also something big
distant ice
And how do you know that
And these blah blah playerbase blah dead soon have been going on since R1
For the date who knows
They pulled mm out when they said they wouldn't
Maybe they'll fkn do it again
hard wasp
we honestly have absolutely no clue
lilac fulcrum
Progression most certainly won't be making it into R5
placid cobalt
hallow river
Are we going to get them pretty rascal pics when dog arrives in 7 days? 
lilac fulcrum
yes
hallow river
hell yeah, now i go into power saver mode for a week
vital sierra
And these blah blah playerbase blah dead soon have been going on since R1
it's there for every game, heck payday 2 make a meme and a t-shirt out of it
profit
jaunty tusk
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thorny current
That is a cheat. There is no godmode bug.
jaunty tusk
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blissful sun
its even more of a scumbag thing to do in a1
where players get the wrong idea of the game if they run into them
jaunty tusk
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vital sierra
the important thing is
the game have no progression
so they just... cheat
and that's it
they gain nothing
jaunty tusk
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blissful sun
wouldn't be surprised if half of those cheating would have issues doing a1 ex properly
lmao
thorny current
I am doing a moderator thingy here and say that this topic can be closed or atleast moved to #gtfo-chat. Like, let this horse rest^^
blissful sun
imagine mini modding
distant ice
3 people is still quite a decent experience tbh
lament sparrow
My group of 3 gave up almost instantly at E1, so I guess I won't know what lies through that lol, but the rest is still really enjoyable as 3 man. I hope you all stick at it :>
wooden osprey
you can always try lfg :/
jaunty tusk
My group of 3 gave up almost instantly at E1, so I guess I won't know what lies ...
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wary linden
Depends on the runs for special weapons. Primaries anything can do in this rundown. Some mission you might want some primaries more if you are not a full team though
For example B3 overload you might want one person with autopistol
For tools just gather some info about the level and see what you will need for your real attempt
lament sparrow
The loadout would vary, but we all ended up on HEL Rev as primary near the end. I’m very keen on normal revolver as secondary, and aside from a couple of missions having a C-Foam player will be a big help on alarms
Honestly I'd say try out every weapon and find out which one suits you. There's a few that I think are really good for dealing with bigger/tougher enemies, same with tools. You'll also go a long way practicing your melees and 'stealth'
wary linden
What is stealth. Just run through and 
:p
jaunty tusk
The loadout would vary, but we all ended up on HEL Rev as primary near the end. ...
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distant ice
if you want to have any ammo you'll have to be hitting heads anyway
semi autos are technically actually easier to have max efficiency with
nova kite
The only thing you don't have to hit heads with is the auto pistol
weary mesa
Even if you don’t hit heads with revo it still will have a disgusting amount of ammo
craggy pier
20 bullets per ammo use is too good to pass
worn cove
Whats the best mission to practice scout kills
wary linden
A3, B3 ex, B2 ex, D2 ov (shadow scout). D2 need you to do a surge alarm first though
A3 is pretty simple but only 1 scout. You just rush to zone 28 which is a security scan
B3 extreme you'll face 4 scouts.
B2 extreme 2 scouts with some error alarm to make you rush them
D2 overload is 4-6 shadow scout if i recall correctly with some shadows sleeping
If you want to get good at killing shadow scout without bio D2 is good for that
worn cove
got it, thanks for the info
pearl badger
only 4
ruby wasp
D2 overload is 4-6 shadow scout if i recall correctly with some shadows sleeping
it's always 4 in overload
sudden burrow
4 scouts, some shadow sleepers and plenty of spitters
rain python
4 scouts
forest loom
Question for you beautiful people. A couple of friends and myself are running D2 PE and have pretty much nailed everything until the V alarm door in high in which we get messed over by spawns on the right side but we do not understand why or how they spawn there. Thank you for your help
oops hold up I cant send the image
sudden burrow
Spawns can happen 2 rooms away in any direction, that’s just gonna happen
There’s an invisible room border that you might not be accounting for
forest loom
Can I not send images in this chat?
sudden burrow
Nope, send it in #gtfo-media
forest loom
Oops ok
rain python
The top part of the T in the T part “0” of your screenshot is another zone
distant ice
area*
fickle gale
gtfo who?
frosty tinsel
i am confident
that c3 is borderline impossible
without some use of cheese
class 5 alarm with no doors to foam
in fog
with stairs
everywhere
like ????
craggy pier
Extreme makes that class 5 alarm marginally easier
The only catch is you have to do a class 4 alarm instead of a class 3
austere bronze
extreme is really easy because for every alarm apart from generator you only need to worry about 1 door
also you get more res
frosty tinsel
Its just getting so unfun
100 hours inthis game
and ive done
8 high
1 extreme
lol
thats around 10 hours per stage
craggy pier
: ^ )
craggy pier
I didn't say that
frosty tinsel
i can stand in one spot
and fend off
class 5
like im pretty sure at this rate my group is just going to quit
off of just
yo lets play gtfo
just to
spend another hour dying on the same stage
for ANOTHER 10 hours
and we would do even worse on the harder stagees
vital sierra
i wouldn't recommend playing C3
vital sierra
it's a balance level
frosty tinsel
theres 0 fun standing in a small circle fending off waves
vital sierra
it's 1 of the level that nerf C foam launcher by being the dev intended level
frosty tinsel
ah
vital sierra
it should have been this way from the start
frosty tinsel
used to it
vital sierra
since the alarm spawn multiple wave
instead of BOOM 20 enemies in this 1 area
and if you did it Overload first
you're playing it like it's E1
but you can't stop the error alarm
C3 is one the balance level that's hard the right way
frosty tinsel
but its too much shit
vital sierra
it's supposed to have too much shit
frosty tinsel
fog+class 5 + stairs o.o
vital sierra
there is A LOT of ammo in C3
which is why it's still C level
you either stealth the first fog area and waste a lot of time
or you lure them out by gunshots
and deal it with guns and hammer
if you do the stealth way, you will have almost no fog to use
until you open extreme and overload
vital sierra
just to get this straight
vital sierra
sekiro and dark souls have a save point for you to redo it
i would think those game are
a little easier
since it's soloable
and in sekiro
i think you can make it even HARDER
like some secret sequence or something i watch on youtube
in this game
if you want to make it easier
it's to have teammate that can do stuff
lament sparrow
Sekiro and Dark souls really aren't as hard as people make out, it's just pattern recognition
frosty tinsel
Like its not even aim
vital sierra
you can dodge the attack
vital sierra
and have 0 hp lost?
frosty tinsel
but they are melee
vital sierra
all of your points Dino are
lament sparrow
There's videos on dodging in GTFO, you can reliably dodge enemies and use melee yourself
lament sparrow
C3 is wacky on difficulty in comparison to the rest of C tier and below though imo
craggy pier
C3 in R4 is kind of like C2 in R1
vital sierra
i would say C2 in R1 is harder than C3 if there is no kiting ground
since the alarm are 100% charger
craggy pier
There is, its just that kiting wasn't as popular back then
frosty tinsel
Imean yeah i can kite but im still getting like 5% scan at a time
because theres not much room
vital sierra
There *is*, its just that kiting wasn't as popular back then
i mean no kiting ground, at all
basically R1C2 but with Lab tiles
craggy pier
Head destruction thing where it made kiting too easy by popping making it shuffle slowly the head then leaving it alive
Which also affected chargers
And when shooters lived even when their head was destroyed
lament sparrow
Honestly though Dino, I'd start looking at doing some earlier Overloads & Extremes since you said you've only done 1 extreme, then you'll probably go back to C3 and smash it
weary mesa
yea finishing previous levels fully helps a lot latter on
craggy pier
And don't use medipacks unless you're doing an alarm
weary mesa
But with the current unlock system for levels its dumb and lets you skip levels
and layers
craggy pier
Mhm
lament sparrow
I like the layered difficulty, but it does feel like you can skip a bit too much. That'll probably be fixed in future updates
weary mesa
Yea don't get me wrong layered is amazing
craggy pier
C tier with only 2 high and 1 extreme completion
weary mesa
but being able to skip a few levels without completing a tier is crazy
lament sparrow
Yeah exactly, C tier is too easy to reach
craggy pier
Then again, they made it easy to reach C tier pre extension
lament sparrow
I'm kinda fine with no extremes needed for B tier, then ask more for extremes & overloads for lower down
craggy pier
At least 2 highs to reach B, and 1 overload, 2 extreme, and 3 highs for C tier
lament sparrow
also to note is that the levels can be real long when you do PE stuff so it's nice to be able to do shorter runs and still feel some kind of rundown progression
weary mesa
true
lament sparrow
which you wouldn't get if high didn't matter for anything
weary mesa
There's a lot of objectives to cover and not enough mains to do that
lament sparrow
like C2 when we eventually did it was a goddamn marathon and we were all exhausted by the end of it lol
then again I've seen the clear times of E1 so it's probably nothing : ' )
weary mesa
yea even if you know the map
lament sparrow
I like the more 'open ended' style of C2 but just a bit too long in length
austere bronze
i feel like they should just reduce the number of GLPs needed or something
weary mesa
glps are just spread around a lot which isn't a bad thing but takes a lot of time
limpid ridge
Hi I had a question about buying the game would it be best to buy it off of steam or a different website ?
vital sierra
i think gather item should be optional objective
weary mesa
yea most likely because you have to get so many
neon gust
steam
craggy pier
Steam would be better
vital sierra
speedrun took almost an hour
lament sparrow
yikes
neon gust
its the surges
vital sierra
30 minutes to 45 minutes
weary mesa
it do be long
weary mesa
even with people splitting up to get glps
austere bronze
thats where the timesink is
vital sierra
gather items should be optional objective since it's just you running around getting G-fuel
limpid ridge
Yeah cause they had a website for it called eneba for $19 but if steam is better then I'll do that thanks guys !
weary mesa
yea people don't like to hold
neon gust
3 auto sentries all three surge scans
weary mesa
but who can blame them when scans go into the wave
neon gust
easy
weary mesa
even with setup
craggy pier
Gathering objective with an error alarm and 0 stealth sections and the error alarm stops after completing the objective
craggy pier
And 0 resources in that layer
austere bronze
only bio
weary mesa
only coom
austere bronze
pacifist run
weary mesa
I'm gonna coomlock the big striker 
worldly perch
hey guys! I haven't played since first rundown. How did the mine deployer change since then? I'm asking because mines used to deal a lot of AOE damage then, and now I can't really tell how good they are. It feels like a single mine can only kill one sleeper.
nova kite
It's a line
austere bronze
It's a cylinder...
ruby wasp
Isn't it a cone with the mine as a peak ?
austere bronze
The image on the mine deployer implies it's a cone
but i'm pretty sure it's a cylinder
just based on what others are saying and my own experience
distant ice
i always thought of it as a cylinder and from R2 i remember it was
i don't think mine deployer got any nerfs
after R1 it actually got buffed, more mines
the "one sleeper" thing is just how it hits things
or your placement
limpid ridge
guys, what is pe cheating? I just played a game with 2 dudes and the guy came in and said we're playing with a pe cheater... Im new here, just bought the game today
distant ice
pe is prisoner efficiency, a type of level clear related to sectors
cheater is obvious
why they'd be used together like one thing is beyond me
unless there's something i don't know here
vital sierra
what do you mean PE cheating?
ruby wasp
Probably some cheater that's clearing levels in PE by cheating
wary linden
"Game to hard so i must cheat" type of person. Kinda sad tbh
white kettle
Hey guys, got some tips for B1? The one with a lotta big guys
shrewd dirge
any particular sticking points?
white kettle
I guess, in terms of setup, currently we're running 3 sentries 1 biotracker, 3 shotguns 1 sniper and whatever primaries
we're getting better at stealthing but we always seem to get overrun at the very last door
shrewd dirge
the blood door for the extraction?
random locust
foam is good for last door
white kettle
Are the mines worth it? Cause it feels like there aren't great places to put them near the last door
shrewd dirge
just on the doors themselves is fine
thorny current
There are 2 doors they have bash in 2 doors right? There is high value there. Also you can use them for the blood door.
Nowadays the teams I play with runs always a mine deployer
shrewd dirge
personally, the big money ez clap loadout ive had on B1 is: cfoam,mines,auto,sniper/auto.
white kettle
I guess I did not make it as far as I thought, what is the blood door?
shrewd dirge
the door where you hear the sleepers playing the bongos on the other side
thorny current
Yeah that is a similar setup we were using
white kettle
Ah, will sleepers come through when we finish the alarms?
shrewd dirge
when you open it yes
white kettle
Okay, so we do have a bit of a respite before that happens then
white kettle
Thanks for the tips guys, one last thing, you think the bio-tracker is worth it?
white kettle
What direction should the mines face?
thorny current
You can run the bio, but not necessary I guess
shrewd dirge
left to right or right to left on the doorjam
white kettle
Ah, so in the door frame
shrewd dirge
if you have extra mines, set them up so they dont blow eachother up
thorny current
Most of the time 2 are enough
shrewd dirge
you still will have some doors left you could drag them to if you wanted to use even more mines.
but its not strictly necessary.
c-foam and mines trivializes that fog door scan fwiw anyway.
thorny current
one of the best combos
white kettle
I thought the best placements for mines is for them to face the door the enemies are breaking through
kinda get what I mean?
shrewd dirge
it is the best, but not strictly necessary
sometimes you just gotta roll with what you got
thorny current
If you can place them like that do it, but the other placements are effective too
shrewd dirge
^^^^
white kettle
Alright, thanks guys, good luck
thorny current
u2
sudden burrow
Persistent waves, generally small
frosty tinsel
ok
so on a2
wtf am i suppost to do
we were doing overload
and extreme
idk
we did the command
and then said find hsu
whats that
steel valley
kill them with hammers
frosty tinsel
not that
steel valley
hsu is in the extreme bulkhead
frosty tinsel
what is it
steel valley
query it
frosty tinsel
no like
steel valley
its a objective item
frosty tinsel
is it something i pick up
steel valley
no
steel valley
you team scan at it
frosty tinsel
i win>
because we did
Disable life supprot
then we just kinda lived
then opened the high door
and died
steel valley
you still have to extract after hsu don't forget
steel valley
yep
frosty tinsel
wait
steel valley
do it first
steel valley
dont put them in extract yet
put the cryos just outside the circle
so you don't trigger the extract alarm
frosty tinsel
ok
so
jsut to clarify
we do
cryos place at spawn
open extreme door
find the hsu
then thats it?
weary mesa
The hsu is not in the first extreme zone
it is behind one of the zones behind the second extreme bulkhead door
That's why you get another bulkhead key in the first extreme zone to choose if you want to do overload or just the extreme
frozen nymph
Just curious, has anyone tried killing a scout with mine(s) before?
vital sierra
not explosive mine consumable
frozen nymph
It does kill
With just one mine?
frozen nymph
not explosive mine consumable
Yes assuming it's using the mine deployer
vital sierra
With just one mine?
a normal mine can deal up to 100 damage or beyond that
frozen nymph
a normal mine can deal up to 100 damage or beyond that
But is that more or less damage than a bonk to the head?
neon slate
Though Bonk Scales with weak-points which could go up to 100+ damage in a single hit
neon slate
Just don't get stuck in 3m radius
neon slate
Shove when running through little guys
round phoenix
i see speedrunners just bhop around the room bonkin everyone with ease
the secret is just to not die
vital sierra
the devs might need to tweak sleeper
just imo
it's not priority
but it gonna happen
rain python
infinite ammo would be very good
That’s just called hacking 
neon gust
Games suppose to be hard, by putting a lot of preassure on to the player
weary mesa
Nerf kiting
craggy pier
Lower player jump height
steel valley
but how are you supposed to do b2 pe without circle kiting the alarms ???????? ?
wary linden
Imagine needing circle kiting for B2 PE
wary linden
Just do one door at a time. You got plenty of resources in the level
steel valley
but the guns do like no damage????????? how are you supposed to kill them fast enough?/??
wary linden
Heck you can even pull every room
For all the people thinking that.... They should really think about how 4 person can shread through wave after wave during a reactor lvl... Alarm doors are the same but your defense position changes that is all 🤷
ruby wasp
Just do one door at a time. You got plenty of resources in the level
It's all fun and game til you start the Z56 surge, get a scan in stairs and 2 hybrids come right in front of you along with 15 strikers 😳
wanton raptor
Is there a file in the game that can change the value of the sensitivity with numbers instead of percentages?
flat rock
but the guns do like no damage????????? how are you supposed to kill them fast e...
Just shoot better 4Head
shrewd dirge
list cryo
frosty tinsel
yeah
shrewd dirge
ping cryo_xxx
frosty tinsel
idk why taht woasnt working
shrewd dirge
will fail if you're outside the zone the cryo is in