If you're worried about it and can go kill it just do so
#gtfo-related-questions
flat rock
flat rock
You don't need to expend any of that if you hammer a scout
elfin crown
doesnt it take 4 charged shots through the hammers?
austere cloak
Just don't touch the silly string lol, scout retracts it's tentacles when it's moving around
flat rock
You can still kill it with tentacles out as well if you are more comfortable doing it while it is not moving.
elfin crown
Scouts are basically big ones
flat rock
wym
pearl badger
scouts are normal shooters
pearl badger
1 charged hammer to the head is a kill
craggy pier
Scouts are bigger than base shooters, but smaller than giant shooters
elfin crown
Even though it looks like a giant shooter
craggy pier
Scouts are the in-between
flat rock
The little shooter looks like the big shooter
pearl badger
I literally just killed 2 scouts that where 5m away from each other in 3 seconds
flat rock
It takes one hammer to the head to kill a scout. Walk towards it when it is walking towards you and hammer it.
pearl badger
👍
elfin crown
but what about the room being filled with infectios fog and enemies everywhere?
flat rock
Are you doing B1
flat rock
What area is the scout in
elfin crown
weve been at this for a month now
pearl badger
you slowly clear, choosing opponents that are killable silently and in the route of the scout, you then wait for the scout to come to you
elfin crown
but te tentacles will get us as were setting up
flat rock
Where is the scout
elfin crown
and then the enemies or the scout would sound the alarm
in the room with a bunch of small enemies
pearl badger
Lesson number one, fog repellers will be useful, allow2ing everyone to fight
elfin crown
True
flat rock
That doesn't help me sadly. If it is more than two areas away from the alarm it won't wake up.
elfin crown
but are limited
pearl badger
lesson number two, if they are about to trigger, shoot the scout with a heavy weapon
like a burst cannon or a sniper in the head
elfin crown
Weve been using snipers
flat rock
I'm going to assume the scout is near the disinfection station zone, and with that being the case you do not need to worry about it.
flat rock
Just do the alarm. The enemies will spawn in the zone prior to the ramp which took you out of the fog and towards the door you are about to do the alarm for.
So, it won't spawn enemies anywhere near the scout.
elfin crown
I believe it is in 55f
flat rock
It won't wake up
pearl badger
Cuz it will take forever to explain when an example is easier
pearl badger
?
flat rock
wym
elfin crown
Like
when i kill one
(sleeper striker)
and there is another one across the room
why would it agro
pearl badger
The range is 5x from when one is glowing and when it isnt
flat rock
if something is glowing it has a chance to aggro
pearl badger
no
elfin crown
if it is glowing
flat rock
There is a certain range, but until you are comfortable with the game more just go through the thought of if something is glowing to either group kill or wait
elfin crown
So i was right
pearl badger
There is also de-sync between host and client that make it look like its not glowing, but it is on host side
elfin crown
It was across the room
and It glowed
as i killed the one in fornt of me
and it agroed despite taking the blood
pearl badger
why do you think we sync their glowing usually
flat rock
It was in a state where the kill woke it yes.
elfin crown
but it wouldnt do that all the time
there would be times when it would light up despite being really close
it is off and on
and feels random
flat rock
There is a general kill range
pearl badger
its de-sync and timing
flat rock
That if you kill something
and something else is within said range
it will wake even if it is not glowing
elfin crown
It feels inconsistent
pearl badger
The inconsistency is the ping between you and the host
so if you are in Asia, dont go and play with NA, you will alert every room
pearl badger
(exageration but its for my point)
Because good players know to sync them
or just wipe the face of the earth with their hammers
flat rock
I don't only play with good players lol
flat rock
There are plenty of people who are new to the game that don't even wake rooms cause of desync
elfin crown
what about the right click for hammers
flat rock
shove
elfin crown
what is that for?
flat rock
it staggers enemies
pearl badger
Shove/cancel your charge
elfin crown
the shove
elfin crown
Does it shove enemies
flat rock
It updates the hp pool
pearl badger
(sleeper shouts, not scout)
flat rock
so technically it does damage, just a minuscule non-zero amount
pearl badger
like half a dmg
flat rock
less than that
pearl badger
0.001?
flat rock
essentially
something so small that it is basically 0
and won't ever kill
it would be odd to me if something that does no damage would be able to update hp
You can see that it does by killing something while it is on a ladder
it will still move around towards you, but once you shove it it will die
flat rock
Using a ladder you could do it
Just would be annoying af
Actually
You might not be able to
Cause bigs and tank don't take any shove stagger
at least iirc tanks don't
I've really only tried twice lol
flat rock
I may or may not have lived
pearl badger
Killing one with hammer is so satisfying
hard af, but so god damn satisfying
@elfin crown also i forgot to tell you but, Having the "high ground" is a good advantage against scouts.
wild lava
kinda bad question, but how does one rid themselves of a level spoiler they accidentally clicked on like a dummy?
craggy pier
Play the game
wild lava
fair, actually
weary relic
It def does 0 damage
But an hp check occurs
It’s a state check likely. So nothing complex, just jank as hell
neon gust
i hope they keep it
i dont care about enemies not dying on ladders
i wanna keep leggies
T.T
weary relic
Lol
rain python
weary relic
lusty bramble
I'd want a Sleeper with the same body destruction properties as the r1 shooter
I actually kind of want the sleeper r1 decap effect
I'm sure it could be abused, but having decaps affect sleepers in some way interests me
distant ice
It was interesting but made things way too easy
lusty bramble
Unfortunately
weary relic
Yup
wispy olive
anyone know if you only cough when you're health is being drained? or do you just have to be sufficiently infected?
austere cloak
i think you start coughing at 10% once it actually affects health, then increases in OOOMPH as you increase your infection
weary relic
I think you only cough when in the active health loss phase. I’m Not 100% tho
sudden burrow
That sounds correct, I don’t think I’ve ever heard the coughing when not actively losing HP from the infection
whole jacinth
How does one deal with scouts?
steel valley
bonk
whole jacinth
and if the first bonk doesn't do it?
whole jacinth
thanks
verbal nexus
sudden burrow
Certain guns can nail a scout, but that’ll typically set off the rest of the room
Bonk is ideal, but risky
shrewd dirge
Wish i could practice ||shadow|| scout bonks
whole jacinth
Does the scout react to sound?
sudden burrow
If you shoot near a scout, it’ll go off
Things like sprinting just make it noodle
Other sleepers waking up next to it or shouting will also set it off
feral sonnet
What about the big ones? How to bonk them?
craggy pier
3 full charged hammers to the back, or stagger lock the cunt
pearl badger
3 full hammer charge to the back, or 6 in the front
minor shadow
Any good guides for solo play? Obviously I'm aware you're not "supposed" to but I'm a masochist so
pearl badger
not really
craggy pier
Know your kite routes
pearl badger
you have to discover it on your own
minor shadow
Fair enough, worth a shot
craggy pier
Get better at chaining occiput hits in stealth
minor shadow
Yeah I read rayalot's guide to that, had no idea that existed
Helped out a ton, until I failed it on a shooter, who woke up a scout, who woke up two more scouts...
Just need to practice i guess
pearl badger
Recently, i fucked a scout kill, and there was another scout
but i hammered that 2nd bitch before the first screamt
safe!
If you learn that, it should help ya
minor shadow
Yeah, I imagine that depends also on the distance apart. Mine were perfectly spaced to screw me over. Two on one side, one on the other side of the room. The shooter wouldn't stagger either and there was a big boi on the stairs between me and the cleared rooms anyway.
whole jacinth
So what does the syringies do?
covert oracle
mmmm needle
ruby wasp
yellow doubles your melee dmg for 8s and gives you a bit of infection ( < 10% per syringe )
red gives you a bit of health ( < 20% HP per syringe ) along with a bit of infection ( < 10% per syringe )
craggy pier
yellow doubles your melee dmg for 8s and gives you a bit of infection ( < 10% pe...
Triples hammer damage
And Reds give 15% health max
craggy pier
I used enough needles in my life to know how much it heals : ^ )
covert oracle
blissful sun
yellow doubles your melee dmg for 8s and gives you a bit of infection ( < 10% pe...
8-12% health
for the red
sudden burrow
Yellow gives enough to solo a big boi, so it's more than 2x ye
flat rock
Yellow gives enough to solo a big boi, so it's more than 2x ye
Yellow is a 3x multi
Red is basically not worth it imo simply cause it gives you at least half of the hp you get back from the syringe as infection, which I think is sorta stupid.
If I wanted next to no hp return I would just wait for health regen
sudden burrow
Sometimes I just chug 'em if I find them, especially if I know there's no other infection sources or I'm never gonna be near 100% hp again lmao
blissful sun
It's always 6% infect iirc
Pretty sure its a range of infection but not sure how big of a range
sudden burrow
At the very least, it's never more than 10%
flat rock
I've consistently gotten 6 every time I use one
sudden burrow
Which is really the only important thing about it
flat rock
if there is a range it's incredibly inconsistent
sudden burrow
Reds are inconsistent in general
blissful sun
could test it out in a bit
flat rock
Ye, I might after I finish the lab write up I have to do lol
sudden burrow
I swear I always get 9hp out of 'em and then a friend uses the next one and gets 15
What a scam
blissful sun
red have a range of 8-12
%
at least what it says on the wiki
but i seen them take away health in a bug before
sudden burrow
I've seen 'em give more than 12, unless I'm big dumb and misremembering
Might go through some of my vods and check, because I'm mad
tribal juniper
Do you guys usually play alone with random people or with group of friends?
tribal juniper
I see
I use to play with some friends but they bailed after E1. They dont want to do anything about it.
neon gust
Theres a really good guide for E1 on youtube made by plant
E1 its really consistent once you understand whats going on
tribal juniper
I know how E1 works after reaching the reactor plenty of times: the problem is not playing with people that know.
RNG doesnt help either tbh
neon gust
But didnt you said you were playing with friends
tribal juniper
They managed to finish it with a random (3+1) then decided to uninstall.
Problem is i always played with them and never actually played with randos.
neon gust
Well ive meet most my friends via lfg
you should give it a try
randoms are not really as bad as people sell it to be
tribal juniper
Yeah these two weeks i mostly played on lfg but to no avail really.
True about the randoms part, but the problem stands. Nothing beats actually playing with friends really.
neon gust
thats not really what i meant
i said that you can meet new people via lfgs
get added or add people or even start a server
tribal juniper
I guess so.
neon gust
theres a lot of sub communities
If you lock yourself out then of course its gonna be troublesome on some aspects in game
tribal juniper
Thanks for the suggestions
frosty tinsel
question
neon gust
answer
neon gust
yes
frosty tinsel
oh shit
frosty tinsel
we did overload our first try
because we found the wrong key
and said
fck it
lets go
frosty tinsel
idk how u do it duo
neon gust
but yeah go for extreme
frosty tinsel
we always die on fog lvls
remember b1
awful
worse lvl
ever
now
more fog
:D
neon gust
r2 was worst the fog part its literally 3 rooms if your doing extreme
just push trought that part as fast as you can safely
the bulkhead bc its down there
frosty tinsel
furthest we got was bulhead
then the door we foamed was the wrong door
then we foam the other door
then they come from the other
if that makes sense
neon gust
Extreme makes the fog non infectious and gets the fog in the roof
frosty tinsel
thats not as bad
neon gust
at the start if you go to 150 they mostly come trought the middle door in fog, 149 depends on where they spawn
frosty tinsel
ahh ok
neon gust
after that you get keyt and go to fog area grab all your fog reppelers
neon gust
go down stairs, open the small door go left side to get to the bullkhead
neon gust
by the time you reach the bulkhead bc you'll run out of fog repellers on the first guy
no
frosty tinsel
why
frosty tinsel
true
also i run pistol revolver
is that fine
because pistol is fun af
u can reload and run
neon gust
pistol fun spam weapon
frosty tinsel
ikr
flat rock
There are absolutely ample amount of repellers available on C3 that you don't need to sack a player off to getting infected.
If you do imo you're only hurting your teams changes of success.
wicked crater
What conditions does hel revolver one tap enemies? 
Keep getting headshots but shit still lives
wicked crater
neon gust
pfffffff
weary mesa
raise the damage still won't make it OP 
plain token
this may be a dead horse but have y’all noticed the weird turn behavior with controllers?
Was trying a solo and was too lazy to sit at computer and use mouse and keyboard Lmaoo
distant ice
Controller support is not complete yet
vital sierra
i don't think the devs can really fix circle kite
unless they up the speed of normal striker = baby striker
i would like to hear the community thought on how to fix it
gilded jolt
And people did not like when the enemy speed got upped (idk if it was intentional or unintentional) in R3
vital sierra
curious
vital sierra
And people did not like when the enemy speed got upped (idk if it was intentiona...
well ye, they can't really kite without getting hit by a speedy boi
fixing AI will cause even more problem
and that's the only way to fix circle kite on normal enemy
i don't really think there is a fix for it, rather than just how player play the game tbh.
neon gust
unless they up the speed of normal striker = baby striker
You can circle kite babies
They either have to change how theyre hit reg work by giving them more angles in wich they can hit you more
They could make it so that every third attack that doesnt connect its a hitscan like the tank
vital sierra
so you want them to 100% hit you no matter what
neon gust
so you want them to 100% hit you no matter what
If your circle kiting yes :)
vital sierra
so you're saying
neon gust
The only time you get strikers constantly attacking its when yoy circle kite
vital sierra
normal kite will get effect as well
neon gust
Not when your regular kiting(given enough space)
Of course you can give it a cd so it doesnt affect eegular kite
That much atleast
But circle kite shoukd be affected by it
And if they find a new way it would be so fucking tedious no one would do it
vital sierra
normal kiter gonna get hit regardless
neon gust
You can still run away
They dont attack that fast alpha
Unless its a literal crawler
They dont
vital sierra
they attack every 3 - 5 seconds
distant ice
i'm interrupting here but
janky solutions like that ain't gonna do anything
the answer to this is simple, make smarter AI
neon gust
Its not theyre ai
vital sierra
ai tend to cause even more problem
neon gust
They literally do what theyre suppose to do
distant ice
yeah if they're intended to be brainless then yes
neon gust
Move to point a to b and within ranfe do attack
wary linden
It may be simple to say make a smarter AI... But programming a smart AI is a real pain in the ass
distant ice
but if they're living beings/somewhat sentient, you'd expect them to adapt
neon gust
Hut reg its the problem with how they tongue attack works
They already have rng with intimidation
distant ice
It may be simple to say make a smarter AI... But programming a smart AI is a rea...
and nobody said this has to be done by tomorrow now did they
neon gust
And even try to side step
Using general terms like "smarter ai" its more vague than my janky ass solution
distant ice
the hitscan thing could easily fuck over legit players that did nothing wrong
who'd even do something like "every 3rd hit is hitscan"
neon gust
"Smarter" what pathing?, the already have fast pathing to save process (even what the game consider fast already its weird enough)
Its a broad suggestion and im on phone
An raycast attack would fix the issue if done properly
distant ice
and cause several more kekw
neon gust
lusty bramble
I don't really think people want to be hit by something they weren't supposed to be hit by.
wary linden
Make some ennemis able to parkour like player 
distant ice
by smarter ai in this case i'd mean something more of several tongue attack variations strikers could use, and judgement of which to use would somewhat depend on the situation
neon gust
If your circle kite yes
weary relic
The tongues can definitely be bullshit. Especially with better PCs. But it really the best option atm
neon gust
by smarter ai in this case i'd mean something more of several tongue attack vari...
Thats a different attack
No smarter ai
lusty bramble
I understand your concern with circle kiting, but that isn't the solution
distant ice
more attacks means more decision making in what to do 🤔
i don't know what you define as ai
neon gust
The tongues can definitely be bullshit. Especially with better PCs. But it reall...
Theyre optimization csn make things funny and add some more difficulty
neon gust
Yes
wary linden
Just don't use the technique then
neon gust
Doesnt remove the fact that its there
distant ice
we're trying to find good solutions here sir
neon gust
Add snatchee
distant ice
or "trying"
wary linden
Personally it should be left to the player to decide if they want to use it or not.
lusty bramble
More enemy variants or frequency of different enemies during scans could help
neon gust
Pls enemies with hard control
weary relic
They need a standard a velocity for the tongues. Not based on PC performance. Tho it probably does and just bypasses it anyways
lusty bramble
But, assuming what normally is done, those enemies are just killed to cap the ones you can kite easily
distant ice
different ways to play for sure but i think this goes beyond that
it's over the border of what you should be able to do
lusty bramble
I think you're putting too much faith in an unreleased enemy
wanton raptor
They need a standard a velocity for the tongues. Not based on PC performance. Th...
You mean fps related, or just pc? bc there are some games that something is fps related
weary relic
Yes
neon gust
I think you're putting too much faith in an unreleased enemy
Not wise
weary relic
It’s actually a mix
lusty bramble
1 wave 1 snatcher babyyyy
Yes
weary relic
Some aspects are FPS, some are PC spec
distant ice
well even if that was a thing you wouldn't spam it on every corner
wanton raptor
Interesting
weary relic
Speed of enemies and rate of fire are FPS. The tracking directly of attacks are from Pc specs
Which isn’t how either. Except rof. Are supposed to work
neon gust
My nintendo switch its gonna be easy mode
weary relic
Lol
wary linden
Schaffer mentionned them... Maybe we will get them soon
weary relic
neon gust
You can hear he starts kiting
distant ice
devs could troll and name some other enemy snatcher
weary relic
Snatcher: enemy that grabs scouts and throws them at you
neon gust
So canonically you can kite snatcher
lusty bramble
It's crazy that they named the charger mother scout "The Snatcher"
wary linden
Snatcher could just slow down the player speed when it hits 🤔 then you would not want to circle kite in case it hits you
lusty bramble
If the snatcher's gimmick is that he slows you down when you get hit
neon gust
That would be so disappointing ot would make me quit the game
lusty bramble
there are definitely some better games to play
neon gust
Wise
wary linden
I don't mean like a permanent or big slow down.. it could just be a flinch making you stop running but you could still start another sprint right away. Tie it with a bit of dmg and if you get hit in the middle of a lot of ennemies it could give them a window to actually down the player
lusty bramble
The issue isn't the gimmick
wary linden
It's not too punishing but it can become a real threat with a ton of ennemies
neon gust
More like the slower
lusty bramble
The issue is that it'd be a big disappointment
neon gust
Am i right gellas
wary linden
I just took the snatcher cause we don't have a ennemy like that and we don't have a name
It could be another future ebnemy
neon gust
Thats like having the charger from l4d only hit you and not charge up to you
lusty bramble
Could we have the gtfo robot walk at you with a static electric fence that shocks you and slows you down periodically
neon gust
Chem lights?
lusty bramble
with DOT?
lusty bramble
now that's a good recommendation
pliant herald
It just needs more normal enemies in the pool. Strikers and shooters only go so far.
lusty bramble
the biomass scan 😳
neon gust
Would.be interesting but a lot of things feel underused
Big shooters they dont use them much
Big charger are in few levels
distant ice
never seen in an alarm for some reason
wary linden
Mothers as a common ennemy when? Every rooms get 5 mothers!
pliant herald
The solution isn't always just throw in a bunch of giants though
lusty bramble
I am hoping, and they definitely could, change the enemy variant frequency in scans
neon gust
Hybrids are only use in overloadd and stuff
wary linden
Yeah i know i was having fun :p
pliant herald
More standard enemies in the pool will change things up
neon gust
When i encounter a variation of enemies in one room things actually gdt scary
pliant herald
Without absolutely destroying balance
lusty bramble
They could make one or two giant spawns (or more) a set spawn in scans
rather than just a random chance
wary linden
Would want new common ennemies or old ones in the pool of commons?
lusty bramble
Both, honestly
neon gust
1 big shooter 1 big striker couple spawn when
wary linden
Big shooters are a joke though
neon gust
You gotta kiss ya fellow prisioner to finish to 100%
neon gust
Big shooters are a joke though
In a alerted room mix withe enemies not
lusty bramble
Big shooters are an ammo dump with anything that isn't a high damage special
distant ice
a joke because you only see them in stealth and not alarms
neon gust
by themseves are a joke
distant ice
i think i've heard wes say they're a priority in alarms
wary linden
Heeeeeh i had fun triggering rooms where they are mixed in with lots of ennemies and they are still not a threat
neon gust
Theyre scary if they get pulled from somewhere else
pliant herald
I like that chargers are in some alarms. But since the pool is only "strikers, shooters and chargers"
It's unbalanced
At least another 2-3 common enemies in the mix
Wouldn't make it mostly chargers in the wave
lusty bramble
I'm a bit impartial to the enemy variety being almost entirely rng
wary linden
Surge alarms sometimes spawns hybrid. Which makes them more challenging rather then just tedious
pliant herald
With more added in the pool
lusty bramble
Chargers do offer something different
pliant herald
You'd always see them
lusty bramble
But you can either have none or more than a few
neon gust
"More than a few"
😫
You see a lot more hybrids and chsrger this rundown
Atleast we have that
neon gust
Read that horribly wrong going for coffe right now
I think mothers they've used it too much
wary linden
It is the scariest ennemy we got though 🤔
neon gust
They know they game ending
lusty bramble
They're the dumbest enemy we have
neon gust
Not really.its the only one thst takes some coordination to takeout
Apart from tank obviously
wary linden
Coordination or you are probably not gonna recover ( pubs mostly)
neon gust
I was sad when i realize tank its just a big striker
neon gust
I.mean it was scary the first time but then you realize its mama again with no special attsck or anything
wary linden
I wouldn't be surprise if we see 2 tanks at once in the future
neon gust
I wouldn't be surprise if we see 2 tanks at once in the future
You can on e1
atomic robin
^
wary linden
I know but i mean like they did with mothers in e1 extreme
neon gust
I would for them to gie tank something that makes it special
Like grab you or something, it has 3 heads!
wary linden
Just randomly sleeping in the same room or like D1 extreme last room with 2 awoke mothers
strange skiff
Bringing back the circle kite thing, but the 3 hit ==> hitscan proposal would suck if you quite normally but when you turn around it's their 3rd attack
But it's a good proposal nonetheless, I like the way of thinking here
neon gust
You could add a cooldown wic resets back the counter
lusty bramble
Sleepers, after missing a certain amount of attacks, will explode dealing 100 damage in a 30 meter radius
neon gust
If i want a shitty bomber enemy i would go an play dying light
strange skiff
Maybe just increase the angle of attack. Like if right now it's something like 120°, get it to 180°
neon gust
Not this game
lusty bramble
Maybe just increase the angle of attack. Like if right now it's something like 1...
Just kite wider circles
neon gust
Raycast raycast
lusty bramble
It's essentially what's done with chargers
neon gust
Guarantee hit
lusty bramble
The game is already quirky enough with garunteed hits
wary linden
Circle kiting is basically optimized lowest distance kiting
neon gust
Where the players splits up
strange skiff
Guaranteed hit should come with increase gun power, so kitting isn't an option anymore
lusty bramble
God forbid people enjoy moving in this shooter
neon gust
We going down a rabbit hole
wary linden
Kiting is fine.
pliant herald
I think we should wait until we see what new enemies come into the game
Before worrying about kiting being a serious issue
strange skiff
I don't want kitting to be gone sure, but we were trying to find a solution to counter circle kitte
pliant herald
lusty bramble
The best counter to circle kite is to not circle kite
pliant herald
The best counter is to get more people that play other ways to stream and do content
lusty bramble
But if you want a fundamental change to counter it, one of the better ways would be to gimp the player
pliant herald
You can't combat the most popular things by not showing other ways to do it
neon gust
That too but avoiding the topic doesnt combat it neither
lusty bramble
You're suggesting the best way to combat circle kite is to reduce influence?
neon gust
We are separating normal kite to circle kite
One actually takes some knowledge the other its hit angle exploit
pliant herald
We've had the strikers for a year
How long are we going to be stuck with it as the only normal melee enemy
lol
neon gust
You can run away from enemies yes but not run in a circle and not get hit
Charger are no differente
craggy pier
^
strange skiff
Add a faster than player, melee only (punch, not tongue leash) normal ennemy
neon gust
The only one you cannot circle kite its big chsrger
lusty bramble
And we're back full circle
craggy pier
You can make a "lap" and have the bad ai pathing never reach you because you parkour a bit
As far as normal strikers go
neon gust
Thst its not the same as literally running in circle.and not get hit by 40 enemkes my friend
craggy pier
That's not circle kiting but no rocket science either
lusty bramble
I hold the entire wave with my dmr
lusty bramble
Just d/c
strange skiff
I you don't "hold" the waves with your DMR, you're killing it
Not the same effect on waves spawning
strange skiff
Oh, whoosh...
lusty bramble
You could change how enemy aggro works
strange skiff
I would like to have your opinion, but do you think E1 is balanced around Bhopping ?
(yeah off topic ^^)
craggy pier
Always makes me laugh when we split for A2's high, and a striker just starts running towards the other duo when alerted
pliant herald
I mean, most of this is off topic because this is a channel meant for questions about the game in the first place.
lusty bramble
You don't play the e1 stealth portion like stealth
craggy pier
I've no idea why that happens
neon gust
If your rushing it maybe i see the idea behind it
But if you actually ping stuff with terminal loke your ammopacks you ca stealth some areas if you really wanted too
lusty bramble
You could
lusty bramble
Or you could just kill everything
neon gust
Yep
strange skiff
Like running in every room ?
neon gust
I wouldn't say bhoping but hammering instead
You can get an sneaky occiput but once room.its alerted
Well its hammer time
strange skiff
Ok, in this case, bhoping just make it easy cause you can clear a few more sleepers before they actually wake up.
But if you're good enough, you don't need it
lusty bramble
Are you talking about the stealth portion or the pre stealth portion?
neon gust
Well its e1 every room.its a cursed
Havent play a match where i had completed that beggining portion stealth
lusty bramble
If you're talking about pre stealth, bhopping is inconsequential because you're going to want to alert everything in your path anyways
strange skiff
I was asking this because I've heard this take "E1 is balanced around Bhoping" but I haven't been in E1 yet. So just wanted to have your opinion on this
lusty bramble
It's a weird take because I don't really know what they're trying to say
wary linden
You want to pull the rooms cause if your not doing that daddy is gonna wake them up
strange skiff
Bhoping is OP is kindoff their take I guess
lusty bramble
It's a pretty poor take
neon gust
bhop lets you get an sneaky occi on a hybrid but that about it
strange skiff
Gonna be fix anyway as it's not intended behaviour
lusty bramble
Think of bhopping like this
lusty bramble
If and when they do change it so bhopping isn't what it is
strange skiff
Yeah so even if you bhop to zoom, everyone is glowing so you wake up everyone as it's s packed, got it
lusty bramble
There a more than a few alternatives that could and would replace it
strange skiff
I like Bhopping cause faster is good sensation
neon gust
Anyone here who plays the game on a regular basis do not want to go slower
specailly during stealth sections
nobody really wants to spend 15 min in a room
first time in a new rundown, yes perhaps
strange skiff
Hard agree on this. Started this rundown, getting faster and faster is like, the ultimate goal
neon gust
my inmersion first time, nobody bhop, but you have to move after that playtrought
you can only make the pulsating thing exiting once
lusty bramble
My immersion is Simon on the terminal every time 😍
With the pen and paper
Chiseled by the gods themselves
weary mesa
I like how the movement speed “bug” for sleepers is still in the game and hasn’t affect new players like some people said it would
It been one of the good way to nerf kiting
weary mesa
I didn’t really notice it back in R3
neon gust
: ^ )
weary mesa
I just shot enemies and used small drops to make distance
spark wolf
what brought you to that conclusion
if im new to the game
it means i've never seen it differently
so unless something is incredibly fucked or im making an actual in depth review
you're not gonna hear me talk about little things that don't seem entirely right
despite the fact that they may still bother me
spark wolf
"x didn't affect new players"
is an incredibly bad statement
because you have no way of confirming that other than using, "i haven't heard anyone complain"
weary mesa
Then why did people care about it on the first place
spark wolf
who's people and what's it
distant ice
i cared about the unintentional speed shit
still do
and new players even in R3 didn't care of course because they didn't know
literally had a convo here with one newbie about that
spark wolf
the highest speeds i've seen they literally make double the distance you can at max speed
but if you're new to the game
well maybe that's just how the game is
distant ice
what pisses me off the most is crawler speed
the other two i could forgive
that on top of them being buggy af already is just horrible
spark wolf
they could literally half the damage of all weapons and "new players wouldn't be affected"
distant ice
halve
spark wolf
(they would, but you wouldn't get to hear it from them)
only if one of of em decides to make a proper review and then they'll probably conclude that weapons aren't very powerful in this game
while a big majority of players that know how it used to be, will complain and be a lot more vocal about that
neon gust
only if one of of em decides to make a proper review and then they'll probably c...
aim 4 the head 4 head
taps 4head
spark wolf
i burst cancel which means i dont have to aim
neon gust
ye we know
spark wolf
neon gust
I can insta kill sleepers with every shot : ^ )
neon gust
not 100% efficient obviously
doesnt remove the fact that the gun busted as shit
bugged or not bugged
distant ice
devs are very good at balancing weapons clearly
neon gust
They are good, the feedback they recieve its iffy as shit
distant ice
jokes aside i'm not sure feedback is a legit argument considering first 3 rundowns had the head bug which throws balance out the window
lusty bramble
rifle with the head bug 🤤
neon gust
jokes aside i'm not sure feedback is a legit argument considering first 3 rundow...
fair
looking back at it, it was kind of fun
distant ice
i wasn't a fan of it except for hammers
weary mesa
Lmao
shrewd dirge
Give me a 2 round burst hel gun with no windup
weary relic
devs are very good at balancing weapons clearly
Clearly
1200 rpm on a shotgun
Balanced. As all things should be
weary mesa
but shotguns are shit
lusty bramble
which shotgun is 1200 rpm?
weary mesa
Choke
It's like the revo you can spam it but the recoil will be disgusting to manage and they both have low mag sizes
soft kiln
and it could crash your game
elfin sparrow
What was the head bug?
weary mesa
The head hit box was still present after the head was physically destroyed
elfin sparrow
oh LOL
weary mesa
So you could still get precision multi when it was gone
elfin sparrow
that is rather impactful
weary mesa
It made a lot of guns crazy
elfin sparrow
I was watching an old video of R2B2 to see if there were as many spitters as I remembered
gonna see if I can spot the bug in action
neon gust
I was watching an old video of R2B2 to see if there were as many spitters as I r...
they were
elfin sparrow
no kidding... good lord
neon gust
r2 had broken cyst spawns
weary mesa
after the first security alarm lmao
elfin sparrow
yeah the UV light room
weary mesa
It just became the spitter zone
elfin sparrow
when the light dimmed and you just see endless glowing spitters in the background...
elfin sparrow
I never played any of R3 and kind of enjoying watching old levels on youtube - any suggestions?
pliant herald
@elfin sparrow It depends on your preference. Whether it be 4 player, 2 player or solo content.
weary mesa
Not typical 4 mans
elfin sparrow
I'm not so much bothered by how many players there are as seeing the interesting levels I missed
any mission with a unique challenge or objective?
weary mesa
it was
elfin sparrow
🤷♂️ like I said I wasn't there
lusty bramble
rundown 1 would be the only one with a differing objective
as far as I'm currently aware, r4 features every objective
except baby stuff?
but trust me
neon gust
and reactor shutdown
lusty bramble
you don't really want to lug around the dumb baby
neon gust
^
weary mesa
terminal shutdown 👀
elfin sparrow
baby = neonate?
lusty bramble
right
pliant herald
Yes
lusty bramble
headass could get picked up through walls
neon gust
r3 was one hell of a fever dream
lusty bramble
stupid dumb baby
weary mesa
I like escort missions
pliant herald
Just throw into search "R1A1, R2A1, R3A1" you'll find channels that have content for all maps
neon gust
r3 was short not only in the duration of levels, but linear in the level layout
neon gust
it had little to no replayability
elfin sparrow
huh
lusty bramble
and yet I played d1 50+ times
elfin sparrow
did the devs give any reason why it was a smaller rundown?
lusty bramble
it was a fun level 😦
neon gust
D1 was a clusterfuck of colossal magnitude
lusty bramble
that's what I just said
neon gust
it was the only fun level imo apart from maybe b1 and c1
neon gust
dual uplinks
weary mesa
oh I'd rather carry something then just run to extract
lusty bramble
or maybe have the level flow be actually decent
to where it isn't just a run to extract after doing x
weary mesa
yea I'm not opposed to that
karmic comet
What's the highest tier alarm in any level in any rundown so far? I remember people complaining about a long ass one in R2.
flat rock
R2B1 pre-nerf C9
It wasn't even that long tbh, people just took way way too long to set up for it
karmic comet
Wow, I completed R2B1 (got no further in R2) and don't even remember that. I probably played it post nerf tbf
Also surprising it was in a B level
karmic comet
Rundown 2 compared to Rundown 4 had some high tier alarms
vital sierra
they put too much classes into 1 door
that's where layer difficulty a thing now
so they don't have to put in error alarm every single level to make it hard
karmic comet
I remember A1 even had a class 4 or 5 alarm with a guaranteed open security door into the hold room
But also I don't remember it being much harder than the current A levels either
weary mesa
But it had two scouts 
karmic comet
Oh shit yeah I forgot about that
neon gust
No A1's had a class 5 or 4 as of rundown 4
karmic comet
I remember R2A1 having a class 4 I swear
Also R4A3 has a class 4 alarm to the exit zone so that's not true
Oh wait you said A1 lmao
neon gust
My friend, i said A 1 not A 3
karmic comet
I just read it as A sorry
I'm gonna go watch a video of it because I feel like I'm goin mad lol
wooden osprey
hmmmmm
neon gust
I'm gonna go watch a video of it because I feel like I'm goin mad lol
Nope, your right r2a1 does have a class 4
karmic comet
I will live off the glory of this victory for the rest of my life
flat rock
Wow, I completed R2B1 (got no further in R2) and don't even remember that. I pro...
Post nerf was a C7, which for newer players was still hard but for obvious reasons was not as challenging as the C9
spark wolf
dragon
literally all A1's except for R4A1 have had a class 4
lol
it's always been a class 2 and a class 4 until R4
class 2 providing a key for the class 4
incredibly consistent till now
actually the key in R2A1 was a zone earlier but you needed a cargo from the class 2 instead
blissful sun
so they don't have to put in error alarm every single level to make it hard
yet they put error alarms in every single level anyways 
strange skiff
I like the error alarm in B2, it makes the level better. But A2 and A3 are not needed in my opinion, especially A2 -_-
vital sierra
Error alarm: exist
Me: I'm about to end this man whole career
blissful sun
errors are fun
sometimes
but most of the time they just wanna make you cry from forward spawns
vital sierra
well
on A level
they are fun
on C and E level
it's not
my mistake
C levels don't have error alarm
distant ice
forward spawns or spawns on top of you cuz someone was apparently 2 rooms away
you love to see it
strange skiff
I hate A2 error alarm. I can understant B error with forward spawn, I mean it's a B level.
But A2 PE is your first error alarm of the rundown and 90% forward spawn, and it can also be your first scout
strange skiff
All behind the overload door, waiting for the first waves. Wave cleared, open overload door. Second waves spawn, it's forward
this is the story of all my A2 PE attempt
Be ready to fight the scout wave
strange skiff
And you can repeat the story for A2 ext bulkhead xD
strange skiff
Oh yeah, right now scout waves don't bother me that much. But 60h ago, they did bother me a lot
strange skiff
unless you open alarm door already
Yeah it was A2 ext door after you clear the overload objectives
So door is open ^^
blissful sun
the only reason a2 is so bad is because it spawns more frequently
strange skiff
My point is just that the first Error Alarm you're facing is A2, but A2 error alarm is harder than a lot of other Error Alarm
Like A3 has a better Error Alarm for exemple
You have clear defence and attack side and in the first big room with 2 scouts, the Error Waves can't spawn forwards
So you need to go fast to clear the room, but you normally can't be rng-ed by the Error Alarm. Pretty balanced for a first time in my opinion
vital sierra
A2 error alarm spawn is
15 seconds
but because they spawned far away
it took them about 7 - 8 seconds to get to you
so you have 7 - 8 seconds to kill 2 enemies
charged hammer already 3 seconds
strange skiff
It's brutal ^^
blissful sun
but now imagine complete noobs coming to the game with r4 being their first rundown
strange skiff
but now imagine complete noobs coming to the game with r4 being their first rund...
It's my case, that's why I don't like A2 PE
vital sierra
dig site + error alarm = double spawn
blissful sun
i remember back when my entire friendgroup was new to this game in r4
everyone was afraid of scouts
a2pe wasn't fun
strange skiff
Maybe it's the map, maybe it's the 15sec Error Alarm. I haven't play enough to pin point the issue, I just know I rather do B2PE than A2PE
strange skiff
I can understand that xD
blissful sun
but thats mainly cos i hate fog 
blissful sun
i never seriously ran bio apart from d2 shadow practise
strange skiff
Bio is amazing, I pray to the BioTracker god every day
strange skiff
It allows you to go faster, the ping mechanics make you miss less shot
strange skiff
I don't know if there is one mission in R4 where you don't take mine deployer
The potential instant delete a waves behind a closed door is just so powerfull
wooden osprey
I don't know if there is one mission in R4 where you don't take mine deployer
E1 high
:/
strange skiff
Yeah I forgot the proper way to E1 is DMR / Sniper / Biotracker
How could I forget
spark wolf
still has its use
you could use mines on E1 to efficiently kill stacked up giants, which are pretty common
vital sierra
or bomb yourself
blissful sun
kamikaze charge into a room and place a mine at your feet
If you believe it will work, if you lose belief you will fail.
blissful sun
blissful sun
better be mozzarella
oblique relic
Nah better be some gouda shit
tranquil gale
im sure someone has asked before but i cant scroll enough to find it. there is not a way i can make a dedicated server instance of this game right? i have a full rack of 8 servers hosted in a NY datacenter that i use for various games and work so im just wondering if it can be done or if it would be a graphic instance that would need a gpu and such.
lilac fulcrum
im sure someone has asked before but i cant scroll enough to find it. there is n...
There are no "servers" so you can't make your own dedicated servers. The game is peer to peer and uses multiple 3rd party services that the game communicates with/uses so a dedicated server wouldn't work.
tranquil gale
thanks for the answer. i knew there wasn't any servers for it but wasn't sure as to the reason or if it was possible to host one privately as i was thinking.
upbeat pulsar
нужна тима
flat rock
has anyone else have trouble with not being able to continue in A3:Onwards
the keys are stuck behind bulkheads that we cant open
I need more to give you an actual concrete answer as to why you are experiencing this, but no I have never had any issues with finishing the level.
What particular keys are you having issues getting access to?
@valid scaffold
flat rock
Well, I am going to bed. I hope that someone else can answer your question if you reply to me.
topaz anvil
I am here if he does answer 👀 gn
latent swallow
I dislike Overload. It completely ruins the feel of the game. We went from stealth and tactics to abusing mechanics and run/gun. Such a false advertisement
vital sierra
it made you stealth faster
ruby wasp
Since when overload was described as a full stealth part ?
latent swallow
The game was described as tactical/stealth
ruby wasp
Also good luck trying C3 overload without tactics
vital sierra
so you mean
rough lynx
If overload was easy, then the lowest. difficulty wouldn't be called high
rough lynx
There's a reason 92% of expeditions are failures
vital sierra
and?
rough lynx
Purposely
vital sierra
extreme is like
ruby wasp
from what i remember, B2, B3, C2 & D2's overloads are stealth
vital sierra
the normal version of the game
ruby wasp
except for the end of C2 & D2 as you have to move an item
rough lynx
If every difficulty was the same on every map. THE GAME WOULD BE REPETATIVE
vital sierra
it called layered difficulty
ruby wasp
How do you want to make stealth difficult without having a bit of action ?
latent swallow
and its not with copy pasted segments of the map
ruby wasp
6 mothers in a room ?
latent swallow
Not infinite swarm coming from all sides for once
vital sierra
and?
latent swallow
But i have to
vital sierra
um
latent swallow
cus i am locked
vital sierra
B2 extreme is error alarm
ruby wasp
yeah
vital sierra
B2 overload don't have error alarm
vital sierra
which still prove the point of overload are not just error alarm
ruby wasp
ye