gtfo-related-questions

[timber shoal]

in terms of weapons, pick things with high ammo counts and decent range

they have a habit of firing regardless of how close enemies are so shotguns aren’t very useful

give them one of the machine guns or burst cannon in their special slot and something like hel revo in main

i like a lot of guns in this game

machine pistol is a fun main weapon to run

i also like combat shotgun as a special

burst cannon too but it’s got a high skill floor to use effectively

[somber crypt]

That's kinda funny

[timber shoal]

they also don’t check for line of sight properly so they’ll sometimes shoot walls or doors

[somber crypt]

Sick ! Thank you <3

[timber shoal]

so things like sniper will be wasted on them

[somber crypt]

I was just about to ask about that actually

[burnt inlet]

Bots also have the ability of burst canceling:]

[timber shoal]

ofc! don’t hesitate to ask if you’ve got any more questions

[somber crypt]

What does that mean? They can just choose to fire a single shot for burst weapons or what?

[burnt inlet]

Essentially yes

[somber crypt]

Is that, just on a whim or does their AI determine a single bullet is enough to kill an enemy, and so they only shoot once?

To save ammo or something

Or am I overestimating the AI coding lmfao

[burnt inlet]

I think its due to them thinking "how many bullets does this enemy need"

And then fire that amount of bullets

But like

Bots are hard to theorize

Their code has yet to be tapped methinks

[timber shoal]

burst cancelling is beneficial

is the bottom line

[burnt inlet]

The bots are ahem... they require a lot of knowledge to get working for high skill levels but for the levels you'll be playing now theyre fine

[somber crypt]

Wonderful ^^

Well, thank you both <3

[burnt inlet]

Theres one guy who started (as a newbie) last year methinks and has been doing every level with bots, there's only two levels he hasn't done but both of those have been done with bots by other players

[burnt inlet]

No worries :>

[somber crypt]

Playing with dolls any% runs sound really funny lmao

[burnt inlet]

They did 100%, you'll see it in later levels as to how we split any% and 100%

But almost everyone considers 100% to be more fun than any%

A few levels (R5D1) are a lot worse 100% but well you gotta do what you gotta do i suppose

[somber crypt]

To be honest I think that might go for a majority of games, it's not as interesting to see somebody skip the entire game or not interact with the game itself as a whole

[ebon light]

don't you dare shit on r5d1

[burnt inlet]

Go pub r5d1

And you'll see why everyone shits on it

[ebon light]

I have 10 clears on ts

[burnt inlet]

Yeppers

[burnt inlet]

Explains a lot

[ebon light]

I like to blow up the level

[burnt inlet]

Id like to too

Delete it from the game

[ebon light]

play client and take scatter

r4c2 is so much more offensive

[burnt inlet]

Womp womp have to go long

[burnt inlet]

Theyre both on the throne of shit

[ebon light]

r5d1 isnt even on the podium

[burnt inlet]

I think youre the first player who actually has defended r5d1

[ebon light]

maybe it will start a trend ....

[somber crypt]

Why is r5d1 bad?

[ebon light]

people dont like it because its long

[burnt inlet]

Its a slog

Its long and kind of a copy of another level

And not much interesting

[ebon light]

and because of random other menial complaints that can be solved by killing the enemies instead of not killing the enemies

[burnt inlet]

And a specific type of stealth that no pubs ever succeed at

[somber crypt]

Are pubs ever good at any type of stealth...?

[ebon light]

bro stealths in pubs

[somber crypt]

PD2 has taught me that the answer is no, always

[ebon light]

pd2 stealth is fun

[burnt inlet]

Theyre good at waking rooms up

[ebon light]

we did mall crashers dsod on stealth

[somber crypt]

Not on public lol

[ebon light]

it was me and one friend pubbing

[burnt inlet]

600 hours of in game time ago I did yea

Havent touched r5d1 ever since

[somber crypt]

Trauma

lmaooo

[ebon light]

thats not even that far off from where o am from you

[burnt inlet]

R4c2 and r5d1 are levels im never touching again

[ebon light]

im like 400 behind you

[burnt inlet]

Honestly would catch up in like 2 months

[somber crypt]

Is r4c2 the copy you were talking about?

[burnt inlet]

I havent played gtfo in a while

[burnt inlet]

No

R4c2 is very unique

Uniquely shit

[somber crypt]

How so?

[burnt inlet]

Pubbed today and last time before that was ages ago I feel like

[ebon light]

r4c2 I will never touch again outside of any%, r5c1 I will never touch again, r6d2 I will never touch again outside of any%, r7b3 I might touch again because of 100% speedrunning

[burnt inlet]

R6d2 is not worse than r5d1 😭🙏

[ebon light]

I hate r6d2

absolutely despise

[ebon light]

so imagine your mission objective is to go thru a bunch of zones to find pick ups

imagine if the secondary objective is doing that again

imagine overload is something insanely boring

imagine the level is 3 hours long

imagine a cjokepoint 2 hours in

[burnt inlet]

Its hardness graph is at a constant 0 until you want to 100% it and it flies up the roof

Spams the same alarm type several times

[somber crypt]

My imagination doesn't extend to hours that long icl

[ebon light]

well 4c2 and 5d1 are that long for first clear prob

[burnt inlet]

My r4b1 clear was a solid 4 hours iirc

[ebon light]

my first 5d1 clear was 3 hours and 4c2 was 2 and a half

[burnt inlet]

(I had dinner mid way thru or smth I cant remember)

[somber crypt]

Average sherpa destiny raid clear

[ebon light]

did them both in the same session 🤤

[burnt inlet]

Explains a lot ngl

Ok i need to go grab food

[ebon light]

[burnt inlet]

R5c3 is not fun

(As in the act not the level)

@timber shoal someone is slandering your level again

[ebon light]

r5c3 would be fun any% if the main and sec were swapped

why is main a corruptlink

[burnt inlet]

Cruplink

[raven copper]

r5c3 is top 10 lvls

[timber shoal]

suboptimal

[burnt inlet]

Starving is bottom 5 experiences I've ever had

And I commit it to myself every weekend

[raven copper]

top 10 experience for me an top 5 with dodo

fosho

[ebon light]

in r5 yeah

[ocean spindle]

r5c3 the nothing burger

the one cool tile

r5c2 is more based

[timber shoal]

killing uou with my mind

[ocean spindle]

:3

[ebon light]

i mean yeah r5c3 doesnt do anything

[timber shoal]

with 4 people i guess

[ebon light]

lame ahh main objective and then a cool sec

[timber shoal]

duo r5c3 is peak though

[fathom ice]

🥀

[timber shoal]

i disagree with you about this level

i’m shutting down the conversation

[raven copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/750929154949513368/1504360089799364728/arr2hs.gif

I agree with you so im re-opening this conversation.

[normal ingot]

I think I did r4c2 yesterday during the melee expansion lobby and it wasn't that bad if it's the one with the sustain alarms

unless it's r4c2 that they're running rn

[raven copper]

secondary with shadows in the zone with scouts

3 surges if pick ups aren't in same zone

overload is shadows with data sphere

an shadow error

[normal ingot]

yes, we did that yesterday and had to rely on 2 people kiting when we all went down during the surge

[raven copper]

like 12 or 15 pick ups for main

[raven copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/950399917304729651/1322842797350322297/attachment-14.gif

[rough gulch]

i want some non spoilery tips on how to do R2D1, we've gotten to the extract and just can't for the life of us have enough resources to finish the extract. we haven't entered the 2 alarm doors that we believe have anything useful to us (zone 611, zone 613) and we only entered zones we absolutely needed to to get the cells and dip. we also haven't used a cell to enter zone 614 either. other then that we've seen the entire mission pretty much and have adopted a pretty solid strategy of clearing rooms with just mines so we don't bleed ammo and health where we don't need to. the only time we actively engage are for small rooms with a couple of people (melee only), screamer doors and alarms and when we're working on getting rid of the feelers so we can do our shenanigans

🙏 please help rundown 2 is gonna be the death of me

[timber shoal]

lemme check zone numbers rq [[R2D1]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R2D1

[timber shoal]

open zone 614

that’s the resource zone

[rough gulch]

thank you king

[timber shoal]

r2d1’s a pretty interesting level starting off

one of the first legitimately hard levels the game throws at you

but yeah if you need any more advice don’t hesitate to ask around here

plenty of helpful ppl that can provide info

[rough gulch]

yeah we spent a total of 9 hours doing attempts over the course of 2 days, our latest attempt was the most flawless we've gone and it just wasn't enough to cross the finish line

40% on the extraction scan and we just didn't have ammo anymore and got destroyed by the 17 strikers licking us

[timber shoal]

happens to the best of us

[errant wraith]

Im sorry, but my friend is having a Network Error screen

How can he fix it?

[burnt inlet]

is he using vpn?

[errant wraith]

ill ask him

no he does not

[burnt inlet]

does he live in any country with a big "firewall" (ie the country or its isp's ban a bunch of internet related stuff)

[errant wraith]

the big U.S

eastern

so not sure

[burnt inlet]

ok so no to that

tell him to open up a #1049599987878723635 thread and have logs in there (can be found in appdata/locallow)

[errant wraith]

okay thanks

[timber shoal]

[[Burst Cannon]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Burst_Cannon

[burnt inlet]

The “Burst Cannon” in GTFO is the Techman Klust 6 Burst Cannon, a special weapon designed for extremely high burst damage against large enemies and crowds.

Key characteristics:

Fires a 3-round burst after a short charge-up
Very high damage per trigger pull
Strong against:
Giants / “Big Strikers”
Scouts
Bosses
Dense waves of enemies
Limited ammo and slower handling compared to main weapons

The weapon is especially known for being able to:

one-burst Scouts,
quickly kill large enemies,
and shred clustered enemies if all rounds connect.

Stats from the official wiki include:

20-round magazine
3-round burst fire
66 total damage per burst
0.7s charge time before firing

[timber shoal]

im gonna kill you

[burnt inlet]

:3

[ocean spindle]

now do one for the pistol

[burnt inlet]

The “Pistol” in GTFO is the Techman Klust 6 Burst Cannon, a special weapon designed for extremely high burst damage against large enemies and crowds.

Key characteristics:

Fires a 3-round burst after a short charge-up
Very high damage per trigger pull
Strong against:
Giants / “Big Strikers”
Scouts
Bosses
Dense waves of enemies
Limited ammo and slower handling compared to main weapons

The weapon is especially known for being able to:

one-burst Scouts,
quickly kill large enemies,
and shred clustered enemies if all rounds connect.

Stats from the official wiki include:

20-round magazine
3-round burst fire
66 total damage per burst
0.7s charge time before firing

[ocean spindle]

:[

[normal ingot]

this and the 14 scouts is why it's become my favorite level so far

[timber shoal]

yk what hell yeah

a lot of people really dislike that level but imo its overhated

[normal ingot]

I get hating it for the fog diving and spitter bug tbh

but that doesn't bother me

also, my R4 is cursed

this is what happens when I join in on the melee expansion fun lol

[uneven kiln]

it's also why StuckEnemyFix was created

[minor fractal]

You can check resource on term, btw. Same w/ cell location.

LIST ZONE_614 or LIST RES E_614 or some other variation.

Gives you more information to decide where to go, recognize if an optional zone is a resource room or not, etc.

And you can query resource packs if you really want to know their exact amounts

[bronze terrace]

how does the hel rifle do into giants? my team doesn't believe in the hel rifle so I'm stuck on sniper duty

[frail heart]

hel rifle is decent into giants, and very goood if you get pens

in general hel rifle will be doing more for your team than sniper

sniper isnt that great of a weapon

[bronze terrace]

does it 2shot or 4shot? I know it's great against normals but my team is way too worried about the giants (even though we run a scattergun smh)

[dapper kestrel]

4 shots to the front

But like great value if you are getting pen shots against the giant and killing smalls, or just hitting several of them at once

If your team is that worried about giants, scatter obv, if you want some range burst cannon is also great into them while being able to wave clear and boss kill fairly well

[hallow stratus]

Hel Rifle is really good and basically a much better Sniper Rife and performs that role perfectly. As already said, getting pen is key for getting best from it, and as someone who used it for Giants for a while I can only suggest Hel Gun instead - basically Hel Gun has near same TTK on Giants due to firing way faster despite needing more bullets, and is much better into waves. My 2cents. Takes a while to get used to though, overall I feel Hel Gun is much more flexible

[bronze terrace]

anyone know a level where I can have my way with a giant so I can record giant ttk cause now I'm curious

[hallow stratus]

I think I was testing it on the last level on R1 because you spawn into a hallway with usually a buncha Giants

[dapper kestrel]

R4b1 comes to mind having a bunch if giants in starting zone

[hallow stratus]

Actually R2B2 has a ton in the beginning too come to think of it

either one of those

[bronze terrace]

hell yeah

thanks guys

[minor fractal]

Sniper is very underrated

[hallow stratus]

you'll think the Hel Gun is less powerful than the Rifle at first, and it is, but try to fire at max rate and you will see what I am talking about

[minor fractal]

It's very level dependent

But it is just Scatter ammo at long range

[hallow stratus]

that 2 ammo count hurts so bad

[minor fractal]

(and generally better for hybrids).

[hallow stratus]

I wasn't playing this game before that nerf

[minor fractal]

It's possible to get used to

It's not as much able to carry giant clear like it used to

[hallow stratus]

I'm sure it'll be a possibility for levels I haven't done, we're still working on R2E1 and going in order so it'll be a while. So far it's been awful for anything in R1 & R2

[minor fractal]

but Main power creep makes it not nearly as much a detriment to have a Special dedicated to a narrow enemy pool

It's solid on R2D2, but not very impressive anywhere else there.

[timber shoal]

sniper's viable in any level where giants/hybrids are even modestly prevalent

[bronze terrace]

wait, should I not go for headshots on giants? is it still a 4 shot on hel rifle either way?

[timber shoal]

but not amazing by any means in a lot of levels

[minor fractal]

HEL Rifle doesn't care, you probably should aim body and try to get a line

[hallow stratus]

It does good yeah but I find my issue is getting swarmed by smalls during reloads lol

[minor fractal]

Either add a small or let more giants come in behind

If you're killing one giant at a time pretty often you might be better off w/ BC, but it depends on how much wave clear you're doing

If you're most of the wave clear on HEL Rifle then bad giant eco is completely fine.

If you're just using it for giants and not getting lines then you're not fully using HEL Rifle

[timber shoal]

if you're hitting pen lines then you can spam your main weapon to clear up any straggling smalls

[minor fractal]

Disagree w/ this, falloff makes it a lot worse for giant lines

Also tends to feel like it misses some staggers and gets weird clumping

It was very noticeable on R5E1 in my experience

[hallow stratus]

I watched your video going over the guns with D4RKEVA and others and it helped a lot. Probably suggest people start there tbh, but I'm still learning this game

[minor fractal]

I'm not sure the exact reason, but HEL Rifle is just significantly more reliable for giants in that level

Might also have to do w/ HEL Gun needing more commitment?

Like, you can shoot and then go behind a corner 2-3 times

[hallow stratus]

The extra ammo in the Hel Rifle makes it better than sniper but that's probably skill issue, Sniper just feels bad to me

[minor fractal]

But if you did that w/ HEL Gun it would take way too long

[hallow stratus]

Once I got used to 1 shotting smalls with Hel Gun I overlooked the weaker Giant performance because it does so good on horde clear

[timber shoal]

sniper is specifically for giant clear

[minor fractal]

Sniper is drastically more ammo if you're not getting lines w/ HEL Rifle

It's very close to Scatter

[timber shoal]

hel rifle is an all rounder

[bronze terrace]

I read on the wiki that the hel revolver has a max penetration of 2, is that real??? is there also a max pen for hel gun and rifle?

[minor fractal]

Yes, 4 and 5 respectively.

[normal ingot]

hel rifle is 5

[minor fractal]

There's jank w/ how these get applied

HEL Rifle cannot get more than 5, both are going to stop after 3-4 (closer to 4) targets most often in practice.

There's a separate cap of 5 limb pens for every pen gun that can trigger multiple times per enemy and ends up affecting higher pen weapons.

[hallow stratus]

Does any of that play into being the Host or not like Scattergun does

[minor fractal]

Nope.

Should work the same for both host and client afaik

[south phoenix]

wait what do you mean by this

[hallow stratus]

I have read that not being Host with Scattergun gives advantage because it'll lag and you'll get multi-hit instead of 1 hit as host

so better to take as Client

[south phoenix]

damn

didnt know the host thing

[minor fractal]

It's not lag exactly, it's more the order in which stuff happens

[south phoenix]

thanks

[hallow stratus]

yeah not lag, bad term for it but the multihit thing seems super OP

[normal ingot]

mainly good against mothers/big mothers

and tank

[ocean spindle]

it is

it b

[hallow stratus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/1qvrb8c/comment/o3y4zpw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

It's all fine and good to read the best strategies and uses for Hel Rife/Gun/Sniper on Giants but in practice I just panic and unload 3-4 sawed-off into it most of the time

[minor fractal]

Tbh R2D2, R1C1, and maybe R1D1 are really the only levels w/ substantial big density in waves.

It's very encounter specific even past that

[hallow stratus]

R2D2 I started with Hel Rifle which was great but personally I found myself doing better with Hel Gun to give me more ammo on horde. That's me though, what a pain in the ass level

we are stuck on R2E1 currently and I'm Buckland/Combat to even have a chance, it's worse than R2D2 by a mile

[minor fractal]

Revo is my 4-fun pick there (but w/ Sawed-Off).

[hallow stratus]

Revo has no pen though right?

I mean neither does combat but I'm kinda just using it to stagger them into the turret realistically

[minor fractal]

HEL Gun is probably better?

It's hard to say, it's not a good lines level

the RoF is genuinely pretty helpful

Might be a rare case where they're pretty even

[hallow stratus]

Issue we are having is Surge Alarms, killing doesn't seem to matter as much as control because they'll just insta-respawn anyway so doesn't matter much

[minor fractal]

Insta-respawn is still much further away from you than right next to you

It's more about when you kill

If you're sticking a scan (or a few back-to-back), killing as much as possible is ideal.

If you're waiting on scan draw, ignoring and kiting is usually better

First surge has a lot more kiting, third surge has basically no kiting

[hallow stratus]

that's been our strat for the first one and we got it, we're mainly getting stomped on the second one that spawns in big shooters

[minor fractal]

That one is just ass

Really hard room for it

[hallow stratus]

we had a perfect run and because we're idiots that have 2 bots, they glitched and wouldn't get in the scan. So that was that

[minor fractal]

You can try kiting through spawn, it's a lot better than trying to survive in that room

Otherwise if you can game out you play to full stick and hope you have the clear speed for it

ah

Yeah I'd kite through spawn and kick them when you get the chance

[hallow stratus]

kite through the spawn meaning what, run circles till they start lining up?

[minor fractal]

You go down ladder and let enemies catch up to you at the corner that dips in elevation a bit

then finish the loop and run to scan

It gathers all of the enemies in that room and on one side of it + it's a much better room for stalling in

[hallow stratus]

Oh nice I'll need to try that strat

[minor fractal]

In scan room you get flanked no matter where you stand

and anywhere you run to scan from, enemies will ride your ass

It's the main reason sticking all scans back to back is so difficult

the tile is just super harsh

[hallow stratus]

It's really the only part that is giving us issues with how random it can be, everything up to that scan has been figured out pretty much

[minor fractal]

I sleep

[ocean spindle]

we wove sleeping

i mean wah

[rough gulch]

yeah i'm aware, i made an entire document for my teammates to understand the terminal better. we just never thought to check into that room because we were so sick of the mission that we didn't want to actively commit to exploring another zone that we've never seen before and we just wanted to end the 1.5h run at that point (and also we all had to go because it was late on a sunday)

originally after posting the question i was going to hop into the level solo quickly to check what's in that zone but then i got an answer that that zone has resources so i didn't bother anymore

[normal ingot]

I always recommend going to 614 since the cell is almost always in 614B for me and there's going to be a ton of extra resources there

no fog as well

[ripe hamlet]

Res zone is free

[frail heart]

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[final terrace]

how is this stuff still not being auto modded

[wet bear]

Why they even use different pictures for that

[old mountain]

It's kinda hard to ban a specific image with our bot set up

Not without removing all embed and image perms or making a honey pot channel

Which people would inevitably ban themselves in by not reading the description

[final terrace]

that's on them though

[frail heart]

natural selection

usually the bots post in every channel they can

so just put it like above everything so no one who is real would go write in it

and if they do, lowk thats their fault

maybe get some eyes

and a brain while you are at it

[tardy ingot]

you can even call it „dont message, youll get banned“ or smth

[burnt inlet]

Or all the way at the bottom

Below the lfg vc's

[tardy ingot]

Nah then you get people to message all other channels too which leads to phantom messages

[burnt inlet]

Mmm ic ic

[bronze terrace]

how is burst rifle ammo efficiency wise

[prime musk]

theoretically you can get 18.8 striker kills per ammo use on client

in practice you're probably getting about half that on either client or host if you hit close to all your shots

(because the 18.8 requires hitting all 3 pellets in a single burst into head)

[minor fractal]

Good process.

[minor fractal]

All Mains are basically the same. In practice, pen is significantly better and autos are significantly worse.

I would not think in terms of the on-paper eco almost ever, though.

It makes more sense for Specials since they actually have major differences, but you still have to put it into context (Short Rifle and Revo are much better eco than the MGs in actual gameplay, for example).

You can also point to burst clear like High-cal as being a lot more efficient than you'd expect because it's such a consistent one-tap to body.

There's a much smaller difference between High-cal and Revo than you'd expect from just what the stats tell you.

[azure walrus]

can the drekker precision rifle 1 shot a normal scout to the head at any range? ive never looked into how falloff works really

[raven copper]

[[Precision rifle]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Precision_rifle?action=edit&redlink=1

[raven copper]

can take a look into this

o wait i did the wrong one

[azure walrus]

i got there in the end

ic ty

[ocean spindle]

it has less range than u might think

so be careful over very long distances

focus the occiput

[azure walrus]

i don't really have a good instinct for ranges yet so ill probably work that out the hard way

the room that prompted the question is that large square one with a trench that goes around the sides with 4 doors, the one at the start of r1b1

i assume i wouldnt be able to 1 shot across that to the front, but from a door to the middle island would probably be fine?

[tacit cedar]

that sounds close enough

[ocean spindle]

frol the very back wall of the first room to the end of the northern door i would guess its not enough

tiles are kinda - restricted in size i believe since the game loads them with a set of similarly sized squares, one 'big tile' its always around the same size if it takes a whole room

in the case of b1s it also inclused the start i think so it is smaller

but i think its 40 m still so kinda lingering on the edge

or maybs im just being stupid

[minor fractal]

Full size tile is 64x64, so most big rooms are 64 units front to back

So PR one-shots about halfway across some big rooms

less reliable if you shoot across the diagonal

[minor fractal]

So, exactly this is just in your range, yeah

[azure walrus]

good to know, thanks

[bronze terrace]

anyone know which level I can practice scout kills

[normal granite]

in vanilla, therent arent really many good ones

but there is a mod called scout playground

[raven copper]

r2e1 there is a scout immediately as you drop

[normal ingot]

r2d1 for vanilla also sometimes has a scout right at the beginning and then there's zone 611 with 7 scouts in it

[ebon light]

r1a1 has a scout past a class 2

r1b1 has a scout past a team scan

[normal ingot]

I suck at scout playground, only ever make it to zone 88 so far (EDIT: I finished it and it was a lot easier than I expected)

I just need to be better at jump kills

and more patient

[burnt inlet]

What you could do is do r1a1, dont kill the scouts, do checkpoint then go kill scouts, die and repeat

[bronze terrace]

oh thank you

[undone raven]

is there a way you can check your specific hours in one level

[tardy ingot]

The logger can give you some info on that if you got all your logs all time

[copper rivet]

Also, modding was super easy to set up! I set it up to practice fighting scouts and it was ez to set up and totally worth it

[raven copper]

OH YA

[normal ingot]

I love scout playground

currently trying to do the shadow scout level

[raven copper]

I never be melee them hoes

jus pew pew

[normal ingot]

after trying this level a couple times, I see why

[raven copper]

I be silent shooting them🤫

[frail heart]

was that silent

[raven copper]

YUP

[south phoenix]

Was checking achievements till i saw the completion rate... do people hate r2e1 that much?

[frail heart]

Achievement stats are for every play who played the game, but are only counted after r8 came out

[south phoenix]

oh..

[frail heart]

so people who played before r8 came out wont have their achievements

as you can probably tell, more than 30% of players have filed an expedition lol

also i looked at the steam charts and damn the game has been pretty steady with players for the past 2 years

[vagrant wasp]

i want to do R2E1 eventually but i skipped it initially because i was new to the game and there was no way 2 of us were beating it.

although i did do a few solo attempts to check it out first and i made it to the part where the lights temporarily black out.

[topaz anvil]

Bwoah not bad

[vagrant wasp]

honestly didn't think i'd make it that far. Now with some improved skills having beaten many more levels, might have to give it a try later see how it goes.

[wraith fox]

Does anyone know the steam achievement for “completing A level without using primary and secondary” determine through my own action? Or the entire team?

Like if I don’t shoot but my teammates (bots) do, will I still get the achievement?

[prime musk]

entire team

if anyone uses their gun it's ggs for the achievement

[wraith fox]

Oh, I see. Gotta find my teammates then, lol.

[prime musk]

ye

it's really all about utilising your tools to the fullest extent

[wraith fox]

I don’t think it’s a big challenge despite “persuading” the bot not to shoot 😂

[uneven kiln]

also this applies to the Pure Will achievement as well

if ANYBODY uses a medpack or disinfect pack/station, gg

so realistically, no bots there either

[final terrace]

or go solo

[civic wave]

ridiculous move

[prime musk]

idk i solod the no guns a tier it was pretty reasonable

[frail heart]

What’s the best level for that

[wraith fox]

“I rather face 15 birther…” quote from professor Scaler

[prime musk]

i did it with r1a1 and mine deployer
grabbed every tool refill on the map and deployed a mine field for the class 4

did not have to kill a single enemy with melee for that alarm

[ebon light]

I think i did r7a1 and slotted the hel auto

[wraith fox]

Not with giants. I can’t melee an awaken giant with knife.

[frail heart]

That’s where the mines come in

[ebon light]

theres gonna be giants no matter what a tier you do

lwk r3a2 with mines 👀 👀 👀

[prime musk]

r3a2 extract is also beaten by grabbing every tool refill on the map and deploying a mine field

(i did this as well)

[ebon light]

ye

[frail heart]

Lowk r4a1 not that bad

[ebon light]

idr what r4a1 main only is

r5a1 with a hel auto wouldnt be bad tbh

the alarms are either 1 door or a funnel

[prime musk]

r8a1 with hel auto is super fine as well

[bronze terrace]

weird question but

does the community have an undisputed GOAT of killing scouts

[prime musk]

yes it's the scattergun

[bronze terrace]

I need to learn the method 😭

*without waking up the whole room

[prime musk]

yes it's the client scattergun

[bronze terrace]

how does that work

[burnt inlet]

Hammer more efficient ;p

[raven copper]

you click your mouse in its general direction while being kinda close to it an boom bye bye

[burnt inlet]

Without waking its definitely hammer

[raven copper]

oh without waking its jus silent shoot scatter mhm

[normal ingot]

spear is technically easier to kill scouts with, but hammer is just better at everything else that there's no point in using the spear

I'm finally shedding my spear ways

which is funny because I started with the knife

[prime musk]

team i cannot believe i make a stupid joke and everyone takes it as the real interpretation

they are asking about the b est player at killing scouts

[fathom ice]

surely it's me

[raven copper]

client scatter gun silent shoot mhm

[normal ingot]

scattergun is a person, too

[raven copper]

yes it is me

I am client scatter gun silent shoot

[burnt inlet]

Me but like I wake up the scout cuz i get distracted

Dw I kill the scout after...

[tardy ingot]

we have an anti goat of killing scouts

@little pilot

[little pilot]

i wanna breed them, not bonk them

[burnt inlet]

same problem

[raven copper]

"im gonna coin flip it"

[burnt inlet]

same result

[raven copper]

love that moment in one of or your r5c2 video of tgb saying that then the scout screaming immediately after

[tardy ingot]

tgb had a <50% scout kill rate in our first R5C2 sessions

[burnt inlet]

sounds like me

[raven copper]

it was quite entertaining to watch

[uneven kiln]

what about your rate

[tardy ingot]

I barely encountered scouts in that run (the zones I went to just basically didnt have em)

[bronze terrace]

can you kill a giant with a knife solo

[prime ore]

backshot spam yeah

go for head and then aim for each limb and he should go down BUT only from the back or else you get back handed into the nearby wall

[tardy ingot]

you can kill it with just slashes if you rly wanted to

(not stealth at that point realistically xD)

[prime ore]

at that point give that fucking giant a 50 caliber

[burnt inlet]

@pseudo coyote

[pseudo coyote]

clients do not sync hp information of enemies so as a result orange kill markers do not operate correctly - u only get them if your weapon one shots an enemy with a single bullet

its one of the mechanisms used to fix orange kill hit markers on client

its bundled separately to killindicatorfix because it has modded uses outside of hit markers such as for healthbar mods that display enemy hp on clients

[tulip kraken]

Hey, some tips on mods for solo play with bots?

[burnt inlet]

what levels?

[tulip kraken]

Propably all 😄 I didnt play this game around 4 years

idk how much is changed

[burnt inlet]

start out with 0 mods for them, with the right loadout theyre actually pretty good

bots can unironically beat the entire game relatively consistently, you just have to learn how to play around them and use them properly

[tulip kraken]

So its no more imposible to beat as solo player?

[civic wave]

every level has been done solo in some form, with bots it's been done easily

[burnt inlet]

it was never impossible to beat as a solo player

[tulip kraken]

Well yeah, but frustrating

[civic wave]

well, easily from the perspective of being someone with so much time in the game that you can pilot it in your sleep

[burnt inlet]

from my experience either its frustrating and challenging or super easy but boring

[raven copper]

W lizer doing all e tiers with bots

[burnt inlet]

frfr

the big Luq be goated

[prime musk]

haven't seen the r8e1 from him yet

[civic wave]

i did r2e1 then r4e1 main because of raj

[raven copper]

he did it

[civic wave]

he did, but the bots were added/removed halfway through or something

[raven copper]

@tacit cedar

[civic wave]

wonder how the r4e1 sec attempts went

[tulip kraken]

cool, good to know. I readed something about useles bots at steam and its almost imposible to play it solo. So I rather asked there

[raven copper]

plug the video lizer

I dont remember where it is xd

[civic wave]

i have a feeling it shouldn't be too difficult of a run, i did do a cconsole test run in reactor and it felt kinda

not challenging

oh he posted it this morning

no wonder i didn't see it lmao

[raven copper]

ye

its somewhere around here

[burnt inlet]

he did it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_7JUhcZhcw

[civic wave]

yes moth it is on my second monitor

[burnt inlet]

my bad

[civic wave]

thank you for reading my previous two messages

[burnt inlet]

😭

yea i read one line act then read the next

[civic wave]

double bio kinda interesting

i think my idea was to claim that having player hold bio doesn't offer that much

and slot another sentry or mines

[tacit cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2DXGIdNK7g

ft long kiting

im not really interested in trying it normally since there's a lot of rng with where stuff spawns

[prime musk]

big

[tacit cedar]

and the bots get stuck a lot on this level for some reason

you could also just do the sec cheese for an easier clear

didn't know about that until recently

[burnt inlet]

robs 👀

[tacit cedar]

it's very nice for figuring out where moms are quickly

also good insurance in case the bio bot goes down during a big wave or something

[prime musk]

faster than my true solo i think
i had a very fast true solo long kite setup but i never managed to get a run with it so my time is like 30 still

[tacit cedar]

ye the bot firepower is very helpful for everything that's not the long kite lol

makes it nice and quick

[tardy ingot]

Honestly the r8e1 solo long kite seems worse than pacifist

[raven copper]

billions must long kite

[high minnow]

hi! question about mods, if I'm using netstat (to track my horrible ping) therefore launching the game from r2modman, will I get completion for a map I haven't finished if we win? Or am i not gonna get it because i'm running mods technically (only a visible ping value in my HUD) Thanks!

[burnt inlet]

youll be getting a completion yes, if the game has a red DEV in the bottom right you wont be iirc

[high minnow]

thanks!

[vital light]

Meow,.....

[burnt inlet]

theres only a few mods that wont allow you to get achievements, youll get level clears regardless though

i kinda misspoke earlier

the red DEV means you wont be getting achievements

but youll still clear the level and be able to progress

[vital light]

I have just read the wiki page about the back multiplier...... I feel enlightened

And why my giant kills with the knife is so wonky sometimes

[burnt inlet]

surely the gtfo.gg page and not fandom page

actually i cant remember new wiki link

[frail heart]

not challenging 🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱 i tested it

[burnt inlet]

ggs

[frail heart]

wiki.gg bozo

[burnt inlet]

vro dissing big luq

[high minnow]

oh thanks for clarifying! I don't mind not getting Steam achievements, I only care for the level completion and the apparel 😄

[burnt inlet]

once youve completed the game id recommend the mod "all vanity" since it gives you all of the vanity, currently you cant get like 10 of the apparels because the game has more apparels than is given

[high minnow]

nice thanks!

[vital light]

You're telling me this is directly behind their back....... I'm learning so many new things today

[timber shoal]

they're slightly misaligned

i think anyways

the caption on that photo is confusing

[vital light]

I mean, since he's aligned with the facing direction, that means that he's directly behind the Hybrid's back, nyo? qwq

[frail heart]

where they are standing they get full back damage

[timber shoal]

frosty help

ah

thats a weird wording i feel

[frail heart]

Ya i feel like it shouldnt be the caption

Under some other thing

[vital light]

Ofc I guess it might not be 300% perfectly aligned but nonetheless it's so silly that the back is slightly to the right ;3c

[timber shoal]

no no

the caption is saying (in a somewhat confusing way) that where the player is standing will mean they benefit from the full x2 back damage multiplier

[vital light]

Yeah yeah

[timber shoal]

you dont have to be perfectly aligned to benefit from the x2, just close to it

[vital light]

So I just meant that the like..... perfect center of the back is slightly to the right, which is pretty silly me thinks

[civic wave]

that is not what it is saying but yes you are still correct about the back damage

[timber shoal]

its not 😭

i dont think?

am i stupid?

[raven copper]

no no

you are big brain smart :3

[vital light]

And it's also silly of them how the back multiplier and the backstab multiplier is calculated on two different things. Where one is independent of the animation and the other is dependant on their position of the spine or whatever it was qwq

[raven copper]

youll come to learn this game is quite silly within its coding xd

[vital light]

I love it sm

And I'm amazed how I learn these things like 300h into the game.....

[raven copper]

I learn stuff 1k+ hrs in

[burnt inlet]

did you know that the sound you make is slightly delayed?

[frail heart]

PHYSICALLY like what you see is different to how the hitboxes are and how back damage is calculated

Thats all it is

[burnt inlet]

ive had moments where i shoot in one room, quickly go into anotehr and therefore lose the run due to a room being pulled (which shouldnt have been)

[frail heart]

dw i learn new stuff even after 3k+ hours

[burnt inlet]

i think its 0.3 seconds but i dont remember

[frail heart]

not delayed it just lingers for a bit

[vital light]

They prolly implemented the speed of sound and the way it bounces off the walls and into other rooms and the speed at which the brain processes the information of a potential other lifeform.......

[burnt inlet]

whats the diff 😔

the result is the same

actually it isnt

but still

[frail heart]

waittttttt yoou might be onto something

[vital light]

Fr, that's why the fps might be slightly dropping..... it calculates all the "rays" of sound bouncing off the entire Complex, when they die out, when the sleepers are glowing and whether this specific sleeper's personality is sensitive enough to wake up his neighbours (trust)

[frail heart]

im trusting

[minor fractal]

Why is cryostasis not hydrostasis?

It's so obvious

[upper ginkgo]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1506648382758981663
@undone raven consider posting in here

[undone raven]

voxy i get the joke

you want me banned

its funny

[upper ginkgo]

i got the whole chat laughing

[undone raven]

🦗

[frail heart]

they FINALLY took my suggestion holy

[ocean spindle]

cuz climate change b vaporizing the water now we use liquid nitrogen

[burnt inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/kakaka-kakakaka-gif-5016242645496860379

[burnt inlet]

I wonder if the bots spam to channels that they can see or all channels they can send to

[wraith fox]

Technically, it depends on how the code is written.
But usually, it will be all channels they can send since programmers like me are lazy.

[burnt inlet]

so you code the bots interesting interesting

[wraith fox]

I did, but for legal purpose.
plz don't ban me XD.

[calm pulsar]

Maybe I just end it all by putting a message in there eventually

When my time comes

[flat field]

Anyone down for R1C1 rundown? Team of 4
ID: 109775241466191754
Team: 825

[flat field]

109775241466191754

[fathom ice]

you should try lfg channels

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[vital light]

I wanted to download some mods since I'm starting a fresh steam account and lost all my progress. I definitely want the apparel mod and unlocking all levels mod. Any else would you guys recommend that I could use?

From the top of my head, I was thinking about the sandbox (?) mod where you can go to any level. If any knowledgeable person is out there and is willing to recommend me some specific mods, I would be thankful a ton :3

[uneven kiln]

[[Bug Wiki/Tech Support Wiki]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Bug_Wiki/Tech_Support_Wiki

[uneven kiln]

have a gander at this

see what strikes your fancy

[vital light]

Uoooooh okay I shall o7

Thamk

What is MTFO....... me no understand smart beep boop language

[uneven kiln]

it's the backend modded framework that a lot of the deeper end type of mods operate on. It's not necessary for any of the bugfixes listed there, but it's disclosed so that you know when you can still get achievement progress. It was originally created to help 10 Chambers out to get better data and to separate vanilla lobbies from heavily modded ones

there is 1 fix on there that requires it to be installed but not enabled because that one is LGTuner which is another backend modded framework that is being used to correct some colliders to prevent some softlocks

for modded rundown devs it gets additional utility for their purposes making levels, but in vanilla we get to enjoy a few random pipes having misaligned colliders not randomly softlocking us when we walk over the floor grate where they are (If everyone in the lobby runs it of course)

unfortunately that's the reality of fixing softlocks: it requires touching how a level generates and that throws off the checksum process. That is all disclosed on the page as well. If everyone in the lobby doesn't run LGTuner + BCGF (Navmesh and tile generation fixes), then both should be disabled

[vital light]

Okay, thank you for the thorough explanation o7 I suppose I won't be downloading it then qwq

[tardy ingot]

Archive is a great qol/fix mod

What ghostly sent probably has a bunch of stuff, but some id use when using modded are:

accurate crosshair
Medals Mod

[vital light]

But I couldn't find this one sandbox/go wherever you want mod. Where I could spawn into any level and test some stuff, anyone know the one? qwq

[uneven kiln]

that's CConsole

I use it a ton when debugging

[ripe hamlet]

The medal mod ads 🥀

Anyway accurate crosshairs lwk cheaty

[tardy ingot]

I mean medals mod is genuinely a pretty solid quality of life mod even if just used for the clear time saving

[uneven kiln]

I probably should disclose that about the crosshair... it's not entirely accurate if one is not at default FOV setting and accurate crosshair ensures it always is + after you fire you see how large + the shrink back down between shots, as in most games

[tardy ingot]

In a way but its also a rly good qol mod as it makes stuff accurate while not changing actual spread

[uneven kiln]

something else accurate crosshair does is disclose another hidden mechanic, first shot perfect accuracy

[ripe hamlet]

That is super handy

[uneven kiln]

like that's just a thing vanilla does and you could very well play through the whole game without ever knowing its a thing

[ripe hamlet]

It was one of those thing you could know since it’s such a common mechanics on fps

[uneven kiln]

yeah true, just not something the average player might think about though

there's just so, so much tech in this game and that is part of what just keeps me coming back to document it

[mystic rock]

the pop of accurate crosshair is not up to scale at all and the pellets of shotguns can land outside of the crosshair because of shotgunconesize

[uneven kiln]

good to know... in the case of shotguns, is it only accurate for the initial blast or is that also inaccrate

[mystic rock]

I'd imagine it just checks bulletspread

although it does seem like there is somewhat of an attempt to implement shotgunconesize

it's just not good enough to be a perfectly accurate representation of the crosshair

therefore if a kill needs all pellets like a c scout back damage shotgun kill then you can fail it despite the crosshair provided by the mod showing that it is completely inside

[uneven kiln]

combat shotgun I believe is that exact scenario

needs every pellet before falloff

[mystic rock]

hel shotgun and combat shotgun do have the highest shotgunconesize iirc

higher than their spread

do have a representation of how shotguns work if you're itnerested

[uneven kiln]

I would be interested yes

[mystic rock]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/5ys1qrr03a?lang=fr

[uneven kiln]

shotguns I knew would just be the complicated case compared to other weapon types in regards to behavior

[mystic rock]

default is hel shotgun's

you can end up with funky guns just by using vanilla values

if you try you'll see that a pellet count of 3 would be a fully horizontal shot

[uneven kiln]

I do see that

[mystic rock]

just evenly spreads from 0 rad

so you'll always have your center shot and a full right shot

[vital light]

Archive by Hikaria or AuriRex?

[mystic rock]

auri

auri was original

hikaria's is a fork and honestly I'd consider it bloatware considering that all their plugins now have their version as a depedency

[vital light]

Okay okay, I was asking since Hikaria has like 20x the downloads, but also the ominous <test only> text

[uneven kiln]

auri's has only semi-recently been available on TS

its been sheerly github for awhile

[vital light]

Should I get all bottom three?

[vital light]

Ohhhh I see

[mystic rock]

core and essentials

richpresence if you want

core is the menu thing, mostly downloaded alone if you plan to use the in game config feature as it adds a mod settings

essentials are the things auri did (and got help with I'd imagine for some cause there's a few that are the same as on TS)

rich presence is the most optional one, literally just a discord only thing that adds compatibility to discord rich presence API that they use and that anyone can use

reason hikaria's has so many downloads is because each download and update of the mod is a download added to the count

any rundown with a massive amount of updates will accumulate thousands of downloads even though only really like a thousand at most have downloaded them

just that an update requires a re download of the full package for thunderstore

(this is why we should switch to modworkshop fr)

[vital light]

Thank you sm <3

And I just use Thunderstore cuz my friends told me to use it......

[mystic rock]

there's no other thing that thunderstore

the modworkshop comment I made would require an entire migration to their server with the current packages and would have to be agreed with most of the people

[ripe hamlet]

There is one other thing but no one use it

[mystic rock]

the humble dead nexus cousin

anyway that was my one appearance of the day, back to being busy for a while

[vital light]

~Thank you sm :3

[burnt inlet]

use r2modman 👀

literally thunderstore without the trackers and ads

[vital light]

I was considering..... but idk anything about it

[burnt inlet]

its exactly the same

without the overwolf/thunderstore bloat

[uneven kiln]

Or gale

[burnt inlet]

Or gale

[austere oyster]

Why do people in matchmaking type random numbers in the chat?

[burnt inlet]

If its spamming the same number over and over again then theyre checking ping

Also

Don't use in game matchmaking plzzzz

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[austere oyster]

Lol

[burnt inlet]

Anyways what numbers was it?

[austere oyster]

One guy just typed 2 3 and 4 in a sequence and the other just spammed 12

[burnt inlet]

🤔

What level was it?

[austere oyster]

We weren't even in a level we were in the lobby

[burnt inlet]

Then idk

[mystic rock]

ping checking

which is what takina and random's mod does

sends a chat message that has no owner (nullrefs so it doesn't appear in the chat) and times how long until the infos get sent back

[topaz anvil]

But like does it need to spam my console 😭

[mystic rock]

the rate could be turned down I have to agree

and a fix for it to not spam console would only work client sided

I'm sure I could workshop one rq if you really hate it

[topaz anvil]

How bouts it just pings every minute :3

[mystic rock]

would only report the lobby's ping every minute

[topaz anvil]

Exactly

[mystic rock]

the point of a ping is to be a constant/ when needed report of the current connection between two clients

and they decided to be a constant thing because it's just more user friendly for the mod user

that way you just check ping if you feel a spike in delay

[topaz anvil]

Damn i got automodded

[burnt inlet]

i just hide my console

AtiGrin

[vital light]

Did they really just put the overload into R7D1 to.... be there

It doesn't really change that much and I really thought it would uncover some interesting lore qwq

Since it's a piss level

[topaz anvil]

You weren't there on launch

It changed the whole level by breaking it

[ocean spindle]

wdym its kinda funk :]

[civic wave]

i still remember softlocking my team by putting the baby into the uterus and having to restart from checkpoint

[ocean spindle]

i get it snawwers might be not as scary

[civic wave]

and just... plugging the overload command after we had opened extract

[ocean spindle]

but this would be facing so many

for the first time

i kinda like the idea plus u didnt have big guns for them

the best was a 30 dmg shotgun which was p good

but not enough

[vital light]

Yeah it is fun, just thought there'd be some cool loreeeee

[uneven kiln]

you get to lightly hotbox the level permanently and get a free snatcher every 4 minutes

[ocean spindle]

lore is theres lots of those guys :3

lots lots

so many

[vague bridge]

does anyone know what im doing right now? im a little confused

[burnt inlet]

well we cant remote into ur pc ;3

[ocean spindle]

unconfuse urself

[vague bridge]

what? im confused

[ocean spindle]

unconfuse urself

[vague bridge]

oh

[south phoenix]

man why is there 2 scouts in r1a1 along with chicken and giants

did i miss something

[frail heart]

Its not an easy A tier

[ocean spindle]

chimnken

[austere topaz]

There's any recommendation on how pass the alarm that is in 602 in r2e1?
We are two players trying to pass it with bots using c-foam, 1 turret, biotracker and mines and we tried a lot of times pass that part and we cant do the alarm somebody has any clue on how to do it?

[vivid sparrow]

can confirm this shit is hell

we've been stuck for so long ples halp

[civic wave]

you could try using multiple sentries and dropping the mines and foam, an auto sentry placed as shown should do a lot versus the alarm wave

[burnt inlet]

foam doesnt do that great in r2e1 unless you use it to ladderfoam and even then its meh

[vivid sparrow]

omg thank you guys so much

[austere topaz]

we'll try do that then ty guys

[austere topaz]

if we use 3 sentries like where and which one?

1 auto and 2 burst?

[uneven kiln]

Foam is honestly such a huge trap for R2E1 yeah

[austere topaz]

like why specifically?

[ripe hamlet]

one mine 2 sentries

[austere topaz]

could explain?

[ripe hamlet]

hel auto sentries solo the surge

[vivid sparrow]

wait fr?

[civic wave]

i'd probably say 2 auto and one burst

yeah hel auto sentry is kinda fuckin crazy if it shoots into the enemies' backs on a choke point

[ripe hamlet]

the fog surge is ezclap with hel auto sentry

basically free

[vivid sparrow]

aw man thank you guys so so much really

[austere topaz]

like only 1 hel auto sentry there?

[uneven kiln]

1. it doesn't allow you to properly learn how to deal with surge alarms without relying on it
2. it seems like it would, but doesn't really help during the 2nd surge alarm, because once 1 of those three doors breaks down, the rest is useless, and you would have been better off with another sentry
3. third surge is honestly way more fine than it may seem even if you don't ladderfoam cheese it, the tile just works out well for enemy flow and giving the team a chance to move to largely avoid getting pincered
4. doesn't help at all in the alarm to get Neonate HSU
5. you cannot consistently predict where the waves spawn during the error alarm, you may very well lose the critical doors for the 2nd to last surge, and they may very well spawn in the right room even if you ladderfoamed the left
6. final surge wants the door downstairs opened anyway

[austere topaz]

oka ty man

got it

[civic wave]

depends on your run and how things are progressing, same for how confident/competent you are as players

an experienced team can go with only one sentry, a less experienced team might want to put another sentry down

[vivid sparrow]

you are amazing man thank you

[civic wave]

likewise, for the surge in 600 you can place the auto sentry like this

bottom of the ladder, facing into the room

[vivid sparrow]

will do, thank you so much!!!!

[austere topaz]

ye we do that

our main problem its the 602 the rest we can do it fine i think

[uneven kiln]

yep those placements are great

[vivid sparrow]

"i think"

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[austere topaz]

stfu lets go and try it

[civic wave]

you'll do great

[vivid sparrow]

hell yeah

[vivid sparrow]

thank youuuuuuu :3

[next siren]

what mission u trying to do?

[uneven kiln]

R2E1 final stretch is seriously intense, especially that 2nd to last surge. save some fog repellers from the starting zone and put down that turbine if you can

but it's definitely satisfying win

[vivid sparrow]

r2e1 💀

[next siren]

oh i hate that one

[vivid sparrow]

oh yeah it will be amazing 😎

[austere topaz]

like we dont wanna some veteran players do all for us

[next siren]

infection and evetything

[next siren]

vets just left meeee

[austere topaz]

wanna come and try with us?

[next siren]

i died alot is that okay??

[vivid sparrow]

that is fine :>

[austere topaz]

ye lol

[vivid sparrow]

we die a lot too dont worry ahshashash

[austere topaz]

like its a game we can try always until win

[next siren]

okay thennnn

[vivid sparrow]

yayyyy

[austere topaz]

https://discord.gg/2r2c9MfMw

109775241644701118

[next siren]

its 2 peeps vc

[austere topaz]

oh fck

mb

[vivid sparrow]

well join u if thats oki

[austere topaz]

https://discord.gg/S2XCaGtnc

[vivid sparrow]

oh nvm just join us on 550

[normal ingot]

yeah, ladder foam cheese is nice and all but it's seriously not needed. I just like doing it since it can be used for the surge and the alarm afterwards

[frail heart]

If you know how to use ladderfoam well it’s better than sentry

From experience

[burnt inlet]

Yea but I doubt they know how to do it well

And ladderfoam is ew for clears

[frail heart]

Yeah that’s the point

Sentry is just easier to use

[burnt inlet]

Sentry is easier to use and more legit :>

[frail heart]

Just don’t shit on others for using it if they want to

[normal granite]

Ladder foam = last resort

I assume this is r2e1?

[burnt inlet]

I'll tell them that its cheese and voice my opinion about it

[frail heart]

Yeah obv you can

[normal granite]

Ladderfoamfix my beloved

[burnt inlet]

Breaks floor foam 😔

[ripe hamlet]

just cap fps

[normal granite]

me who also runs enemy animation fix

[ripe hamlet]

that mod interferes with fps cap tech?

[normal granite]

Think partially

Definitely stops host culling at least

[next siren]

How to fix the settings to see shadow sleepers?

[normal granite]

Turn up shadow related settings

[ripe hamlet]

the shadow option should be not lowest setting

the higher the better

[normal granite]

Shadow quality mainly iirc

[next siren]

Contact shadow?

[ripe hamlet]

but its incremental

[next siren]

is that the one?

[ripe hamlet]

shadow quality and shadow resolution

[normal granite]

Contact shadows is not necessary, but can help a small amount

[ripe hamlet]

as long as its not the lowest its good

obviously the highest setting is best

but also, bright environment make it super hard to see them

[normal granite]

Contact shadows can give enemies are more clear outline, but by the time you are resorting to that, you need to get your eyes checked

[ripe hamlet]

and shining multiple light source at it makes it also impossible to see

[frail heart]

Actual game nerf

[normal granite]

lets giant use their scream animation so i like it

[strange hinge]

Im a fairly new/returning player and i was wondering were the rundowns in the past like gone like when rundown 6 was out rundown 1-5 were just gone?

[frail heart]

yeah

they only started adding back the rundowns in r7

[ripe hamlet]

not anymore

the dev re-release the old rundown as remaster alt rundowns

[frail heart]

the singular dev

DOCRED

[ripe hamlet]

yeah

10c dev is one singular abomination

a bunch of humans stitched together into one blob of flesh

[strange hinge]

Holy

Goated dev

[strange hinge]

So like it was sorta like a live events the rundowns i mean

Where you had to be there to experience it

Or just miss out

[frail heart]

yeah

[ripe hamlet]

yes

[strange hinge]

Damn cool

[ripe hamlet]

apparently it was only that way because the newer update broke the old stuff

LMAO

[frail heart]

software limitations etc

[strange hinge]

Yeah thats what i read onljne too

[frail heart]

wait

anyway yeah that was one reason

but its not a goood reason

[strange hinge]

Does the devteam plan on releasing anything new/similar

[frail heart]

there are no more updates coming

[strange hinge]

:((

No mo

[ripe hamlet]

the game story finished at rundown 8

[strange hinge]

Ohhh okok

I was referring to like future projects of the team

But yeah i expected that too

[frail heart]

.t dow

[uneven gulch]

Learn more about Den of Wolves, the next title by 10 Chambers - a techno-thriller heist game.

• https://DenofWolves.com
• https://discord.gg/DenofWolves

[ripe hamlet]

they have dow yeah

[frail heart]

theres one gun in the trailer that was so fun to play and i miss it bad 😔

[strange hinge]

Ooh

Cool xool

Also i got another question

Isnt the ram requirement of gtfo a tad bit high

[ripe hamlet]

game is hilariously unoptimised

[frail heart]

what they say is recommended is not what i would recommend

[ripe hamlet]

v. ram hungry

[strange hinge]

Shi makes me freeze up

[frail heart]

whats ur specs

[strange hinge]

Uhhh

I forgot

[frail heart]

are you on a laptop

[strange hinge]

But i got a 3050 and like 6gb?

[strange hinge]

Yuh

[frail heart]

that'll do it

[strange hinge]

:((

[ripe hamlet]

should be fine

[strange hinge]

Yea it can run

Just sometimes freezes up especially when enemies are rushing

[frail heart]

if you are getting issues tho post a thread in tech support

[strange hinge]

Or when i alt tab

[ripe hamlet]

might want to look at #1049599987878723635

i believed some ppl also got the random freeze up issues

[frail heart]

ya

[strange hinge]

Ayt ayt thsnks

[little pilot]

I had a 3050 ti too and I had no freezes, bad fps but that's what happens in a laptop

[upbeat flame]

My shit freezes when someone places down a sentry

My specs are solid, I think, but yeah it just happens

[topaz anvil]

Just need to let it cook sometimes

[violet radish]

every launch, my game freezes for 6-8 seconds upon first drop, after the character gets off the pod. how do I fix this?

[timber shoal]

i think running the archive can fix this issue, but outside of a modded solution im not sure there's something you can do

im not certain on that though

[raven copper]

might be a pc or internet issue

when i join people that have bad internet or are far af from me that happens consistently

[violet radish]

I'll try this. I'm running QOL and fixes anyway

[violet radish]

This only happened recently. Back in 2024 this was never an issue. no spec changes made on machine, internet got better since

although I'm always connected to a mesh router now. I'll try connecting to parent router

[violet radish]

which one do I take?

[ocean spindle]

core and essentials

rich presence for discord and the test uh i dont remember what it was but, is not it

[civic wave]

i think that was just hikaria porting it over to r2mm before auri did it, used to use melon launcher for it iirc

[raven copper]

no i mean in terms of connection like who's hosting cause I play with a decent amount of people all over the place an sometimes connection does that to the host

[violet radish]

I doubt it because I often play bots only, it still does the freeze on the first drop of every game launch regardless of leve

I'll try the archive and connecting to parent router. if this doesnt work, I guess I'll just live with it

[raven copper]

ye ye its jus something to keep in mind

archive is the goat so dw

[violet radish]

I remember now.. this is the mod that breaks Dauda bot.

[raven copper]

sacrifice WE are willing to make

[violet radish]

it did work though.. thank you for the help

[bronze terrace]

Which weapons get significantly better with main/special damage boosters?

[ocean spindle]

dmr cuz it oneshots any small, revo cuz it two shots chargers plus with like 40% u oneshot smalls to the body, hel revo oneshots with a single shot with like 14 or 16 main dmg

[ripe hamlet]

hel revo and dmr

[ocean spindle]

its not... significantly better but its funny to stack dmg boosters on machinegun

[ripe hamlet]

and i think sniper can oneshot ||nm|| scout with dmg booster

[ocean spindle]

spoiler scout

we not saying which

[ripe hamlet]

too late

[ocean spindle]

edit to spoiler it

[ripe hamlet]

how much max special dmg booster can you stack

if it could get hel rifle to 48 it could two shot giant

wait no

it has worse precision multi

yeah prob not

[ocean spindle]

15, 20 and 30 with perfect boosters which is 65

no

yes

maths

[topaz anvil]

Do we have two gamers for GTFO? ||( @ocean spindle , @ripe hamlet )||

[ocean spindle]

gaming

[ripe hamlet]

unfort no

[topaz anvil]

😔

[burnt inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1489359740038414467/1489359740638335097/vyper_butt_naked.gif

[topaz anvil]

MOTH

Get in here

[ripe hamlet]

with booster hel rifle could only three shot giant

precision mult makes it unable to two shot

[topaz anvil]

Stop having a life

[burnt inlet]

Im supposed to be cleaning the attic

[ripe hamlet]

😔

[ripe hamlet]

prime gtfo time

[burnt inlet]

Prime lay in bed time

[ripe hamlet]

play gtfo in bed time

[topaz anvil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205416984150540359/1506709505717571664/1779293153029681.gif

Get in

(not bed)

[burnt inlet]

My bed be comfortable as fucj

[topaz anvil]

I will remove the bed

[burnt inlet]

I'll use you as a bed

[daring grotto]

quick question, is it better to try to beat r4e1 or r5e1 first

[burnt inlet]

R4e1

[hallow lake]

Is there a mod that increases lobby size

[upper ginkgo]

https://thunderstore.io/c/gtfo/p/Cactus/LobbyExpansion/

[lone pewter]

I thought modtalk was not allowed in the server? Or was i taking rules to seriously

[civic wave]

they don't mind anymore

and haven't for a few years

[lone pewter]

Oh

Noice

[hallow lake]

why does matchmaking take you to the tutorial sometimes

[frail heart]

no idea but please let me know if you can reproduce lol

[raven copper]

oh I can show you i can reproduce alr

[frail heart]

ROFL!!!!!

[frail heart]

the speedrunners dream

[ebon light]

let's run 4 player tutorial

[hallow lake]

literally how does this happen

it's already happened like 4 times during matchmaking

[raven copper]

jus dont matchmake vro

it'll make your life way better

[copper rivet]

We finished r4b1 over the weekend. we've done all sectors in r4 so far. They have significantly lengthened the amount of time it takes for us to finish an expedition, but I feel like doing all this extra work is going to make r2d2 much simpler when we do go back and deal with it

that's not a question

I guess my question is "do you recommend doing all the sectors in everything first time through"

[ocean spindle]

sometimes, if ur struggling, doin a main only run or 2 sectors instead of 3 works for scouting the level and not losing a run after a lot of work

for example innnn a2, doing a main / sec run omitting ov is ok to check whats inside

[copper rivet]

Are overloads always ||error alarms||?

[ocean spindle]

nuh r4 just LOVES them

das why its my least fav rundown

v long levels v repetitive levels

ur gonna b disappointed in b2

[copper rivet]

Each time we've done one I've said to my friends "maybe this one won't be!" lol

oh noooo is b2 truly hell?

[ripe hamlet]

It’s a hard b lvl

Ovl not error though