gtfo-related-questions

[grizzled patrol]

it fixes the orientation in relation to you, it does not just turn back into a weakspot

[flat river]

like when enemy is back to you because of animation, it doesn't mean it is back to you

hits through walls just because devs didn't want to make check for wall collision

fps dependency on enemy updates

not talking about bugs like shotgun kills corpses and etc

there are quite many such things that like... doesn't make sense

game is still good

but anyway

[timber shoal]

i see

[ripe hamlet]

can you make that into hours long vid pls ty

[timber shoal]

dw i gotchu

[raven copper]

2

[mystic rock]

ok but who knows the optimal stam reset timing

[frail heart]

hpv does

[mystic rock]

who

🦉

[frail heart]

thc

[mystic rock]

uh huh

[prime ore]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yuh-uh-cat

[flat river]

does extraction scan goes quicker when more people stand there? or they are different?

[upbeat flame]

depends

[flat river]

I remember some times it was quicker when full team was in zone, but sometimes it is not

any way to differ?

[upbeat flame]

usually with extracts that have items you need to extract with, doesn't matter how many people on it

you just need one person and the item, with extracts where you need to get out I think it does matter

[fathom ice]

extracts scale
extracts with heavy carries don't

[flat river]

understood

[final terrace]

nah it's stupider than that, it depends on the mission

if you're extracting an item, more people never make it faster, but with regular extractions more people make it faster on some mission and don't on others

[flat river]

consistency is not about this game, k

[grizzled patrol]

Error Alarm or other enemy spawns. Most of the slow Scans come with defense at the scan

[little pilot]

every non item extract is faster with more people

[final terrace]

nope

[little pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qA6ryZ-jWaZFXcM1v0jRNmrVX_p9wsdihca0KB1Exak/edit?gid=1244243169#gid=1244243169

[final terrace]

like maybe I'm just stupid but I swear I've tested this cause I wondered too

and noticed no difference in being the scan alone and with multiple people in the level I was doing

[frail heart]

its always faster

[final terrace]

also if that is the case the wiki is wrong, cause that also says that it depends

[little pilot]

kenny datamined every extraction scan data, i fact checked his ass and it holds

[final terrace]

damn

[dreamy socket]

That makes sense

[timber shoal]

r2e1's scan isnt labeled as item btw

[little pilot]

ye he missed the item labels on a few

[timber shoal]

gotcha

[little pilot]

r3b2 for exaxmple, r3a1

r2b4

r4a2

[prime musk]

am i stupid

why is the r4c3 scan scaling

or it at least has times filled in for other stuff than solo

[little pilot]

brb bullying kenny rn, that's probably a mistake

gonna double check just in case but i highly doubt that extract is special

[prime musk]

i think it's like the same scan as the other static scans that are like
40s

[little pilot]

wait that time is also wrong

extract is longer than that

[prime musk]

it looks like he accidentally just copied over the 4c2 data

[little pilot]

extract seems to be 80 seconds

yrd

yes*

multi is 0.25 not 0.5

standard scan with id 11

[prime musk]

also how does 4c2 scan work

like if you do main only it scales

but if you do overload and put in datasphere does it stop scaling?

[little pilot]

if you do overload it does not yeah

the moment u pickup the datasphere the main extract scan dissapears and simultaneously the overload extract scan appears

exact same for r4d2 or other levels with same mechanic if there are any

[prime musk]

5c3

i think that's the only one

[little pilot]

actually i don't know if dissapears is a good description

changes is probably more accurate

[prime musk]

does scan progress carry over??

[little pilot]

someone should test if doing 50% of the scan on main and then going to pickup the objective item resets the progress OR leaves the progress to be the same

yea

needs testing

cant right now

[prime musk]

i can take a look

[little pilot]

fun fact about r4c2: the main scan speed multi is 0.5 while overload has 0.2

so if it would carry over "technically" it's a timesave surely

[prime musk]

i mean

[little pilot]

it is not

[prime musk]

it's pretty significant if the scan difference is like 30s or smth

[little pilot]

u wanna get glps while carrying melon

[little pilot]

main extract is: 20seconds
overload extract is: 100seconds

so it is significant

[prime musk]

tgb

i tested

i did main scan to 80%

went and grabbed datasphere

and coming back the scan was the exact same with requirement of datasphere

kept % and scaling

[timber shoal]

so you can preload it?

[prime musk]

stepping in triggers an error but yes

[timber shoal]

oh right

[prime musk]

well

it\s like if you deal with a error of normals on top of error of shadows but you save a minute of extract

[little pilot]

sadly i dont even think it is worth preloading in normal PE either

[prime musk]

yee

datasphere carry is far too long for it to be worth

most of the time you can spawncap shadows behind you as well so

[little pilot]

r4d2 it is not worth either, r5c3 probably not cause there's a lot of teamscans

[prime musk]

r5c3 im not sure
does the last key door have a teamscan

it does right

[cedar heath]

Any difference in r4a2?

[little pilot]

probably

[little pilot]

r4a2 main is item carry

so it is always the same time

[prime musk]

idt it\s worth in 5c3 it\s just way too far to run

[cedar heath]

Oh, extraction time scaling only works with secondary and overload.... got it

[tardy ingot]

Typically items just spawn too far away

[little pilot]

the only way it is worth it is if one player runs THE MOMENT u finish the last team scan on the alarm so they get on extract when the second uplink finishes and then maybe they cook a bit and then run back

[tardy ingot]

Also sry for comin in late
Couldve verified that it works like zed tested from back when we did extract cargo skip testing

[little pilot]

i highly doubt u even remotely get back in time for the secondary scan

[prime musk]

well 5c3 does not feature a secondary scan

but there is teamscans in the secondary to reach

i suppose

stepping into the scan "saves" that it scales so MAYBE it's worth

[tardy ingot]

I guess if you are insanely lucky in r4c2 you could theoretically preload a few %

[prime musk]

the big thing isn't really preloading it's that you get to keep the scaling scan imo

because it means that when cargo arrives you have to spend 20s in scan instead of 80s

[tardy ingot]

oh thats a thing

[tardy ingot]

If so this is a pretty realistic thing to delay the carry for

[little pilot]

please keep in mind that r4c2 the "theoretical" seed is not possible

like i dont think you rolling a 1/1000^16

[tardy ingot]

Id say it moreso

in that you delay datasphere by 40 seconds (send solo) and rush the main

so you win 40 seconds

like if you send someone solo vs 2 people

for datasphere

Then 1 person grabs sec late

[little pilot]

yea but don't u wanna gather the glps while the melon is being carried?

[tardy ingot]

2-3 people grab main stuff

[little pilot]

even if u delay it you'd have to delay by far more than 20 seconds

[tardy ingot]

You grab stuff the second the door is opening to ovl

you arent waiting for the pick up

you go

split up asap

[prime musk]

it's a lot of running to get back to main tbf

[tardy ingot]

issue is rng and run time tho tbf

[prime musk]

datasphere really is not that deep

[tardy ingot]

lets say

You get all in 12

[prime musk]

compared to the far glps

[tardy ingot]

most in 10

all or most in 11

[little pilot]

1 person on secondary, 2 and 3rd eventually on main is fucking really bad...

[tardy ingot]

then you still need the ones from 14/8

[little pilot]

u need to grab 3 zones which is ok but they are far

[tardy ingot]

And I dont think you reach 8/14 before datasphere is picked up even with solo hunting dor it

I mean you have 80 seconds of leeway

We could test

what duo going in

vs solo going in

compared to runback to 14 glps

[little pilot]

i am willing to help testing it

BUT

i doubt it is even remotely faster compared to just duo goes in for melon and 2 people run back to secondary and main

[tardy ingot]

eh I can do that alone realistically

Since duo just means you trust your defender

But yea

Theres also the fact that usual route cares less about rng

since datasphere gotta move

[prime musk]

well with this "pre charge" of main
you REALLY REALLY care about your glps since they directly determine the delay of datasphere

[little pilot]

also doesn't aiming for this mean u gotta essentially pick the glps from the fog zone instantly before going towards the 2nd main alarm?

[prime musk]

i think so

like you are never getting those in time it's just
way to far to run

[little pilot]

what is the fog zone number?

[tardy ingot]

not necessarily

Its a time thing

[tardy ingot]

14

[little pilot]

ok i mean

a 1/5 4 times...

ehh

0.16%

[tardy ingot]

Acrually

Tgb

[little pilot]

jesus

oh no

[tardy ingot]

Fucked idea

You send someone

[little pilot]

during alarm?

[tardy ingot]

During the alarm to zone 12

[little pilot]

ye

fuck

shit

[tardy ingot]

xD

[prime musk]

you probably send 2

[little pilot]

nah 1

[tardy ingot]

nah

[little pilot]

1 is more than enough

[tardy ingot]

you gotta do alarm, get key and glps

In mom zone

[prime musk]

oh during THAT alarm

that checks out

[tardy ingot]

yeye

[prime musk]

i was thinking of doing it during the 1st alarm

[tardy ingot]

its the longest time you get

where you are still close

And doing it earlier

Is death

You dont survive when you pull the blood door

[prime musk]

why?

[tardy ingot]

like 6 hybrids

[prime musk]

omg my favorite gun for r4c2

sniper

[tardy ingot]

ah yes

kill and get the fresh wave spawn

or die anyways

[prime musk]

no like i understand it would be completely abysmal

[tardy ingot]

but yea you run during zone 12 alarm

Least time loss aswell

If you run during zone 10 alarm you will be late

Issue

[prime musk]

you probably to teamscan to z11 before z12 alarm then as well

[tardy ingot]

You now are rolling about a 1 in 1000

[little pilot]

And for a minute timesave on end it is worth even if you tank like 30 seconds in next zone

[tardy ingot]

which… sucks

[tardy ingot]

not necessarily in this strat (depends on timings). But likely still ya

It depends on if zone 14 runner is time gate or zone 12 grabbers

[prime musk]

z12 rolling probably

sucks

2 keys

glps

[little pilot]

I mean... Is there any downside to team scanning during z12 alarm too?

[prime musk]

mom somewhere

[tardy ingot]

nah you kinda just full kill

with 3 people

[little pilot]

Ah I think z12 is too far

Nvm

[tardy ingot]

Yes
Its not rly faster and its extra enemies

youd do 11 -> 12 if 14 runner is timegate by a lot

or 12 -> 11 (once done) if not or 12 grabbers are

[prime musk]

is there a place for z13 in this route (since it is less running from ovl to get there?)

[little pilot]

Z13 sucks to clear solo

[tardy ingot]

the distance from ovl is more for 13 though o.O

than 12

unless you mean over 14

[prime musk]

´nono instead of 14

[tardy ingot]

but then its too slow

[prime musk]

12 is required because of keys

[tardy ingot]

Alarm scan takes ages

Since you need to do them

[little pilot]

Yea

[prime musk]

mm

[tardy ingot]

And full team run

actually im 99% sure

[prime musk]

what about
do teamscan to 12
do teamscan to 11
do teamscan to 13
split up to do scans and get 12 and 13 in parallell
to skip 14

[tardy ingot]

That you can geab zone 12/14 and 10

during the time there

You sack like 20 seconds

and then only need zone 11

Which is free

so you might even be able to so a 2-2

at which point it depends solely on the run time

[little pilot]

12 and 13 in parallel is really bad

[tardy ingot]

From ovl to extract

[little pilot]

Alarms are really far

[tardy ingot]

14 is just way faster sadly here

[prime musk]

yee it makes sense

[tardy ingot]

the rng is still abyssmal btw

1/100 for 4 zone setup generally

1/200 for specific

1/400 if you add ids sec

if you want a decent datasphere

Its probably around 1/2000

then good ids in 14 (are kinda necessary) is 1/5000 minimum

if The runner can get from ovl to main

in time

if not we spare all this bs

[little pilot]

New YouTube title: "how we used a data center to reset for optimal r4c2 PE rng"

Or

"how much water did we waste for optimal r4c2 PE rng"

[prime musk]

realistically you are not rolling for datasphere when you are rolling for the glps in question

[tardy ingot]

Mmh you gotta compare to the other strat

And deeper datasphere spawn is still timeloss

Since you still care about carry duration

[little pilot]

Honestly this seems like a strat for setseed

[tardy ingot]

absolutely

though at that point the run becomes very funky

[little pilot]

The rng is already on the level of r1a1

[tardy ingot]

and it still depends

On if ovl to main run

Is fast enough

compared to spawn

[prime musk]

i will say
i think instead of rolling for any of the glps

a realistic route for an actual run is probably hitting the really rare but close datasphere or smth

and insta carrying it

because by the time it reaches extract main is completed regardless of how you rolled glps as long as you don't need any extra teamscans

[tardy ingot]

well yea that was the prior idea for the route

As it can also run a 5 zone

[frail heart]

Maybe Kenny’s dream of running r4c2 PE will come true

[tardy ingot]

Which makes the run waaaaaay more realistic anyway

[little pilot]

honestly r4c2 is an interesting speed

it's just

[tardy ingot]

Rng

[little pilot]

the resets are just crazy

[frail heart]

You don’t wanna know what tgb was gonna say

[little pilot]

i am fucking glad i did not hit send

that was worse than that one thing i said to aleksandra

[soft crater]

[viscid wolf]

what is the current R8A2 code

or where can i find it

[long atlas]

https://andocas.com/gtfo/r8a2/

[long atlas]

Forgot to notify

[viscid wolf]

ty

we unlocked the terminal but the bulkhead is still under lockdown

is that a bug?

[frail heart]

if you open ANY of the sec doors after checkppoint itll lock

[viscid wolf]

OOH

thank you that makes sense

[rancid smelt]

Any advice for R2D1? Having supplies for the final part feels really rough

[timber shoal]

are you opening the resource zone?

zone 614 takes a cell to open but it gives a bunch of resources plus a free cell inside so its not a waste

basically just free res

[rancid smelt]

Oh I had never gone in thinking it was simply a 1-1 trade for a cell and nothing more- thanks!

[timber shoal]

yep! those resources can be the difference between a failed run and a successful one so its highly recommended to pop in there

[wicked flame]

any advice for r1d1 solo

[timber shoal]

true solo or with bots?

[wicked flame]

lets say both

[viscid wolf]

the extreme bulkhead is still under lockdown after unlocking the terminal

we restarted the lobby and all too

[timber shoal]

enter the command in the terminal

[viscid wolf]

yeah we did

and we didnt touch any doors after the checkpoint

[timber shoal]

you typed EVAL_INIT into the term?

[viscid wolf]

nvm

i might be stupid

[timber shoal]

imo hel rifle is gonna be very strong for d1 since there's decent lineup spots

plus its decent into bigs

sniper sentry will be good too because the sightlines are goated

sawed off because sawed off

that'd be my recommendation

[wicked flame]

and for the invis strikers at the end?

[timber shoal]

use your flashlight

thats about all you can do

otherwise you sacrifice sawed off for pdw

[wicked flame]

wont thermal scopes work?

[timber shoal]

they will

[wicked flame]

oh i see

[timber shoal]

sawed off is just miles away in strength from every other main weapon

[long atlas]

They are slower than you so provided you run past the shadows without being hit, they'll be a non issue

[timber shoal]

also true

shoot what you need to but run past what you can

[wicked flame]

havent tried sawed off yet ill give it a go

[long atlas]

This is after reactor of course

[wicked flame]

yes

[timber shoal]

dont be afraid to spam the shit out of it

its got more range than you'd expect and it oneshots smalls

[wicked flame]

i spam all the time XD

[timber shoal]

sawed off spamming saves lives

[wicked flame]

i spam shots like the bandits spam voicelines in stalker

alright then imma give sawed off a shot thank yuo very much

[timber shoal]

mhm!

dont hesitate to ask if you've got any more questions

[wicked flame]

will do

OH YEAH THE SAWED OFF FUCKS

[raven copper]

yes it's extremely op

[delicate oxide]

Hello, I have a quick question about the communication menu for bots on controller. Is there anyway to get it to scroll through the options? (It will only select the first one.) Or do I just have to use the keyboard to tell them to do anything?

[ebon light]

keyboard im p sure

[winter breach]

Its usually on keyboard but you can map your controller inputs ingame

[burnt inlet]

I pity you in reactor missions, and when shooting

[ebon light]

i pity you in doing anything

[upper ginkgo]

smh keyboard elitists

[tiny wyvern]

It's not that bad
You just have to spend LITERAL HOURS rebinding everything to suit your needs

And have a seperate toggle for steam input keyboards

[burnt inlet]

Meow :3

[tiny wyvern]

Also smart console or whatever that helps you with doing terminal stuff

[ebon light]

bro

you are otterly ridiculous

[burnt inlet]

I play with a wheel, pedals and shifter

Mogged

[burnt inlet]

Or just have a keyboard nearby

[upper ginkgo]

sorry just being philoslothphical... 🦥

[ebon light]

amooseing...

[winter breach]

I play on a tamogachi

[hollow sandal]

what does gtfo stand for

[winter breach]

Get The Fried Onions

[burnt inlet]

Getting the femboys out

[hollow sandal]

i have this game

[final terrace]

out of what

[winter breach]

The complex duh

[ocean spindle]

get me out pls

[burnt inlet]

Complex question with the complex answer

[burnt inlet]

Methinks i have it too, not sure

[hollow sandal]

femboys and getting out two of the most complex things in the world

[burnt inlet]

X² + 1 = 0 type thing

[echo eagle]

No GTFO stands for Get The F*** Out

(the censored word is fuck but im not gonna say it cuz it's a bad word)

[fathom ice]

.t gtfo

[uneven gulch]

The game is called GTFO and it doesn't stand for "Get The Fuck Out" but rather the feeling you have that you want to complete The Warden's objective and GTFO.

[livid stone]

It's not funny to spread misinformation 🥀

[winter breach]

Youre such a bummer

[dreamy socket]

X = i , typa shit

[winter breach]

Algebra type shit

[dreamy socket]

imaginary numbers type shit

[burnt inlet]

Frfr

[safe cradle]

Can you do TeamWork achievement (noone falls) with only 3 players? (no bots)

I remember doing mine with just me, a foam launcher and kiting on R1A1

but maybe I'm misremembering

[dapper kestrel]

work together achievement specifies 4 players for the no teammate downed

[ocean spindle]

TeamWork achievement:3

[safe cradle]

wanna come?

It's R1A1 it takes longer to find a team for it than to say "permafoam"

[ocean spindle]

im on uni

[cedar heath]

Which rundown is best for the low-tech achievement?

[timber shoal]

r6c1 is a pretty easy level for it imo

[ocean spindle]

r1c2s p gaming too

lots of funnels in every alarm

[timber shoal]

not a very difficult level to begin with plus no shadows or anything that'd necessitate bio

[raven copper]

r6c1 is also the best lvl in the game

one of

[cedar heath]

Tks for the recommendation. I'll give it a try tomorrow

[raven copper]

its so good

I think dodo an I did tru duo no tool that lvl as well xd

[upbeat flame]

I did r3c1 like a psychopath cuz I thought r3 was easy

which yknow what, for the most part it was

that was perhaps just not the optimal level for low tech

[tiny wyvern]

R3 in comparison to the R4 and the rest is easy

[vestal crest]

In r4e1 during the surge alarm is it best to have both burst sentries close to the scan or close to the big door leading to the scan room?

I’m guessing close to the scan since it delays enemy spawns a bit?

[raven copper]

you can put em on the like rocks that go back an forth that they path on

that little whindy aaahhh path

[frail heart]

ya

[vestal crest]

My group took a break from that level and I’ve been realizing how shit our error alarm plan is

[tiny wyvern]

Well, a plan is usually better than no plan at least

[vestal crest]

Yeah we got past the error twice with it

But both times we were basically counting on our scatter gun player to kill the last tank since we all were 0% on ammo

[prime musk]

are you finding all the ammo

[vestal crest]

Usually

[prime musk]

how many tanks are you fighting before surge usually

[vestal crest]

I think we are fighting 1 too many

[prime musk]

fighting 3 is standard (1 before every alarm)

as long as your tank kill is reasonably efficient (which it is if you scatter is the main damage dealer to it) you shouldn't worry about taking 4 or 5 though

it is NEVER worth it to skip an ammo pack to avoid a tank

[vestal crest]

Yeah I think we are doing 4-5

Our plan was basically this, kill first tank, pull first alarm, loot for resources, kill second tank/enter next zone, pull alarm, search for resources, enter 3rd zone/kill tank, clear/loot fourth zone, kill 4th tank and pull surge, lower fog and kill 5th tank

[calm pulsar]

You can actually get away with pulling surge before tank spawns

[frail heart]

ya

if you can pull surge before tank spawn you should

because surge will alwas block out tank

[vestal crest]

Surge stops tank right?

[calm pulsar]

Since surge will fill spawn cap

[vestal crest]

Ah yeah

Even the second alarm can stop a tank as we discovered

[calm pulsar]

Eh kinda

[frail heart]

yeah but its only if a wave is alive

[vestal crest]

Ye

[frail heart]

once you kill wave itll spawn

[calm pulsar]

A bit risky to try if you don't know what you're doing

[vestal crest]

We only pull the second alarm if we are behind less than 20 seconds

Usually

We’ve only had issues once

Delaying one tank delays all tanks right?

[calm pulsar]

Another thing to take into consideration is how efficiently you kill tank

[ocean spindle]

no

i believe it only delays current tank

[frail heart]

but ideally you should kill first tank, grab ammo first zone, do first alarm, loot up a bit in second zone, kill second tank, do alarm, push in zone a bit or loot whatever you didnt get, kill third tank, loot surge zone, do surge, kill tank, plug cells, profit

[vestal crest]

When we delayed the tank with the second alarm all future tanks were ~20 seconds off

[calm pulsar]

More time spent killing a tank means more ammo spent and more time for next one to spawn

[prime musk]

yes, delaying a tank just "shifts" the cycle forwards

[frail heart]

yeah

[ocean spindle]

damn nevermind

[vestal crest]

Neat

[ocean spindle]

u learn something every day

[vestal crest]

We definitely stressed the fourth tank too much then

[frail heart]

yep

you could pull surge 10s before tank is meant to spawn and you wont get the tank

just as long as you pull before tank spawn

[prime musk]

that said IF you kill a tank right before surge, you will have time to put in the cells before next time spawns

[vestal crest]

But if we delay tank with surge we will get 1 tank to deal with during cells?

[prime musk]

yes

or well, after surge

[vestal crest]

I’m good at entertaining the tank while my friends insert cells so that should work well

It might be troublesome to kill surge enemies with tank tho

Oh wait

[calm pulsar]

I mean it's generally an easy clean up

Tank takes his time

[vestal crest]

I forgot you can wait to open the generator zone

I was worried about killing surge enemies with sleeping bbcs lol

[calm pulsar]

I mean, if you have bio go in, or a scatter, it's not bad

Definitely depends on how comfortable you are at wave clear

[vestal crest]

We are fairly good

We just go a bit slower because having a bot makes things a little tricky sometimes

[calm pulsar]

Generally can have two go in clearing room (or just moving cells if skipping killing is possible) while other two kill

[vestal crest]

I guess what I’m thinking is all 4 of us clear surge wave and make sure the tank is in the previous room (one right before the big surge room), then 2 can run ahead while I stick behind and hold tank

[tacit cedar]

your scatter person can solo the bbcs if they get pulled and pinged instantly

but you might want them behind to help with the tank

[calm pulsar]

Eh

[vestal crest]

I’m a little hesitant to go into the fog zone as biotracker. Our mine guy has internet issues so holding a tank might be problematic, so that leaves either the scatter guy or me (bio) to hold the tank

It’s kinda sucky

[calm pulsar]

You also have the option of ignoring tank and letting the people inside deal with it

If your scatter went in *

[vestal crest]

Our current plan is that I hold tank (not really trying to kill it) while the cells get put in

Then we regroup and kill

Having a fourth person would make killing it so much easier

[prime musk]

the tank only spawns when you have killed at least 15 and usually all of the surge wave´
and since your tank cycle is from that one after surge, you have like so much time. you can easily play 4 together for surge cleanup and tank kill and cell plug (send one back for bhk to avoid infection)

[vestal crest]

Have 1 person do both cells?

[prime musk]

it doesn't really matter how you split but i would recommend 2-2

[calm pulsar]

I think they're trio

[vestal crest]

Yeah bot

3/4 competent players

Having scatter and other kill tank while bio inserts cells seems kinda good tbh

Honestly it’s not the error alarm we are struggling with at this point, just wanted to make it a little smoother

[calm pulsar]

Again like zed said, if you're fast enough

You can kill tank and wave with 3 and have 2 carry cells in

While one goes back to avoid infect

[vestal crest]

Yeah we try to only have one person in the room when the last cell goes in

That same person gets turbine

[prime musk]

you should have that person be across from all the fog when last cell goes in already

[calm pulsar]

You just have one person rush to the sec door that has turbine before cells get plugged

[prime musk]

so that they take 0% and can carry the turbine back to the others so that they take 0%

[vestal crest]

Oh true

[calm pulsar]

Just make sure your cell pluggers sit on the cat walk above

[vestal crest]

With the disinfect pack though we are at 0% infection after getting the turbine

Last cell+running to get turbine is less than 40% infection

But yeah delaying the tank seems like it would give us so much more breathing room

On an unrelated note, how efficient does the code runner in the secondary have to be? I feel like resources get really tight towards code 6

[prime musk]

you have effectively infinite resources in the secondary

[vestal crest]

We had one run end because hybrids overwhelmed us (and we were getting really low on ammo and 0% tool), our second run ended during 5th code because of a catastrophic misclick in mother room (and resources were also looking rather scarce)

[prime musk]

connector to reactor has 20 uses
reactor has 10 uses
back connector has another 20 uses
moms has like 15 uses

moms resources are inaccessible during the run itself

[vestal crest]

Yeah

[prime musk]

but if you take the moment to loot back connector/back reactor during earlier waves you should NEVER be remotely tight

[vestal crest]

I’m guessing finding a quick and safe route in mom room is essential

I think our resource runner did fine but maybe didn’t get everything

[prime musk]

having a good route in moms is pretty nice but it should matter

[vestal crest]

I’m also trying to figure out the hybrids, they were just barely too much pressure our first run

[prime musk]

my personal "benchmark" for resources when holding is that it is 25% sentry and a 2 use ammo per wave, 3 use if it is wave 6

specifically the ammo here is also a very generous overestimate

[vestal crest]

Yeah tool though?

[prime musk]

yeah 25% sentry per wave is pretty reasonable

it is usually what it takes

for reference in an 8 cycle of reactor i usually need to find 1 big tool (4+) and burn all of it and it lasts through all of reactor

[vestal crest]

Is it worth running down earlier waves with no sentries to ensure we have tool for the last wave?

We have never had tool go far enough

[prime musk]

tool is a lot more limited than ammo ye

if you don't lose hp to it you should

[vestal crest]

Yeah I shouldn’t during 1-5

Those are all super manageable

[prime musk]

i recommend either 1) spawnpushing the shadows to get space for hybrids or 2) baiting hybrids to enter reactor by never giving them los in connector, so that you can sawed off spam them before shadows pull up (shadows are slow)

[vestal crest]

I see

We ran into issues with hybrids pushing us back and shadows entering reactor

But only after like 5-6 reactor sequences

Like I said slightly too much pressure

[prime musk]

if your wave 6 is taking more than 3 cycles something is seriously wrong on codehunt end

[vestal crest]

That last zone looks like hell

[prime musk]

are they playing bio?

[vestal crest]

No

Pdw

Scatter

[prime musk]

that zone is BY FAR the easiest if they are playing bio and burst cannon or pdw and burst cannon

scatter requries getting close which is just. scary

but with burst cannon they can just pull every room and shoot scouts from afar

even then pdw scatter taking 5 cycles is
concerning

do they like
play around 10m rule

[vestal crest]

It was our first attempt there

Horrible scouts

Far terminal

[prime musk]

oh ok if so that makes sense

as long as you don't have scout in B and scout in C the scouts don't matter

the big issue is just if you have a scout in B that you can't shoot because you have a scout in C

[vestal crest]

We had both b and c

[prime musk]

well im starting to understand why it took so long

[vestal crest]

Yeah our code hunter really tried to stealth that room

Took too long

[prime musk]

you should not stealth those rooms ever

[vestal crest]

I think he did A loud

[prime musk]

with bio MAYBE you can stealth something

but without you pull every room 1 at a time

[vestal crest]

I’m guessing A is the connecting room and B/C are room dividers and terminals?

[prime musk]

ye

[vestal crest]

How do you manage double far scout? B and C

Burst cannon B from far away?

Hope c does hear?

[prime musk]

you try to force melee scout in B and shoot scout in C

[vestal crest]

Ah

I’m guessing PDW can substitute bio good enough?

I don’t want to bring 2 bios or try reactor hold without one

[prime musk]

for purposes of stealth pdw is completely fine

for active combat it's a lot worse

[frail heart]

you can also wait for scout to get closer to door to where you can shoot it from A

pretty safe and reliable option

[vestal crest]

Dope

I’m guessing double bio is the other option than pdw?

[prime musk]

yeah but only an option if they have bio

[burnt inlet]

ive seen it be ran (assuming this is r4e1)

[frail heart]

double bio isnt bad to take

[raven copper]

I like it

[vestal crest]

Ok we just rely on double sentry quite a bit for error

Kind of

Mainly just the surge

[prime musk]

double sentry double bio is very strong

like mines is GOOD
but not at all required

[frail heart]

^

you can find an explosive mine

[prime musk]

(and also even if you don't you just play B)

[vestal crest]

Hmm. I guess idk how much the code runner depends on mines

But if you can find them that might be nice

[prime musk]

it is ONLY the blood door that mines matter at all for

everywhere else bio is SIGNIFICANTLY better

but blood door is the hardest (more accurately, most mechanically demanding) spike of difficulty in the code hunt when doing it solo

[upbeat flame]

I've really only done double bio mine and sentry

I don't know where double sentry is that strong in error

maybe for surge?

[prime musk]

it basically full kills the surge for you

[upbeat flame]

yeah good point

[prime musk]

double sentry is also really good for ||class 6 at ending||

and it does help your reactor hold at the cost of being harder to keep up with resources

[upbeat flame]

reactor was very manageable with only one on the bright side if you do want to take mines

[upbeat flame]

is there even that much tool in reactor to sustain that?

you would probably only place down the 2nd for late waves no?

[prime musk]

well depends how fast your codehunt is

personally it has always been an issue of not having the time and space to refill both

but i also have only played double sentry in the quad speeds really

ie we one cycle reactor

[upbeat flame]

One cycle is crazy work I assume you just run it down and kill everything

How do you deal with the blood doors?

[prime musk]

i mean yeah

you kill the blood door

well 2 people kill it

3rd player jumps through and grabs cell and leaves

[upbeat flame]

Oh so only one person defends, that makes a lot of sense

For some reason I thought 2 were defending that didn’t clock

[prime musk]

having 2 defending is not doable because it means you only have 1 person for code 6

which makes one cycle very inconsistent and also just slower even when it does occur

it is also purposeless because solo defending is like
really not hard at our level of gameplay

[upbeat flame]

Oh does the person who takes cell back get code 5 from chargers and the instaplug to code 6?

[prime musk]

i think the last time it got scary was because we pulled 4 scouts and i got pushed back when i had to plug codes

[prime musk]

reactor defender usually gets code 5 because they are on sec door to open it when cell gets plugged

and then cell plugger takes over reactor defense for a moment there

for wave 6 you have 2 ppl as well

[upbeat flame]

Oh so a swap

[prime musk]

but it's usually solo defense while other player does resource management and code plug

[upbeat flame]

I see

Do you guys just ignore the final ||tank and mom onto extraction||

[prime musk]

we kill mom

then kill tank on extract

[frail heart]

and also its a 50/50 for code 4

sometimes

like its just not viable

esp bc solo hold is so easy with hel rifle and sentry

relative

[upbeat flame]

Wym 50/50

[prime musk]

yeah but that's at least not raw timeloss

[frail heart]

ya

reactor is ideally just time gated until code 6

[upbeat flame]

Oh you mean 50/50 terminal spawn?

[frail heart]

where getting code fast matters

[frail heart]

code 4 has 2 terms which are opposite sides of the room

you basically have to gamble 1 term

which is what people used to do lol

and we got made fun of for solo holding

[upbeat flame]

So what’s the not viable part about this

[frail heart]

ahhhh the good ol days

[frail heart]

if you dont roll the term, you reset

[upbeat flame]

Do you also have to gamble for cell spawn?

[upbeat flame]

Oh damn that tight?

[frail heart]

ya

[frail heart]

you roll for it with keys

[upbeat flame]

Keys?

[frail heart]

keys

for doors

bulkhead keys

coloured keys

[upbeat flame]

How do you roll cell with keys I’m lost

[frail heart]

you are rolling for cell while you roll for keys

[upbeat flame]

Does cell spawn correlate to key names or something

[frail heart]

its the same as rolling for keys

do you know what logs are?

[upbeat flame]

Is this that logger thing yall be talking about

Oh ok

[frail heart]

yeah

logs category

[upbeat flame]

I kinda assumed this was log less

[frail heart]

r4e1 logless is like

not good

at least when going for wr

[upbeat flame]

Curious

Honestly I kinda want to play the OG rundowns just so I can see schaeffers original message about the snatchers

Cuz I think they changed the log in the alt rundowns

[frail heart]

i think they did idk

you can find it on the wiki im pretty sure

i'm like 99% certain theres an archive somewhere

[upbeat flame]

I do like reading thru the lore logs and piecing together the story

Honestly I did a good chunk of r8 and I’m still not sure why we are here and how there’s alternate universes

All I’m getting is some virus and parasite touched down on earth and shit got fucked up fast

[delicate oxide]

How important is ammo economy as you progress? Between the enemies dodging around whenever I aim at them, my character looking all around whenever they take a hit, and bots walking in front of me I am genuinely missing like half my shots minimum lol

[timber shoal]

you generally wanna hit your shots whenever possible

for many reasons

[calm pulsar]

As far as enemies dodging, try to prioritize shooting enemies that are walking at you with the intent to queue an attack. This makes their movement predictable and easy to hit. Positioning is also important to take into account, as giving yourself a longer sightline/distance between you and the enemy, gives you more time to notice them and adjust your aim for

Ammo isn't quite as tight in this game as people would claim, but not missing shots definitely helps a LOT

[delicate oxide]

I see, ill try putting that into practice. Thank you

[minor fractal]

It eventually is the largest factor for ammo economy (alongside weapon choice).

~70% acc. is probably good enough for the entire game, though.

<50% is bad and worth improving

[safe cradle]

You can also consider taking weapons that dont rely on being very precise to be effective

[minor fractal]

High-cal is probably underrated because of

When I check my accuracy in replay

I'm always surprised that my Revo HS and High-cal BS brings the ammo pools a lot closer together

[safe cradle]

yeah I remember a conversation some years ago about Hical and the gist of it was "just aim body at everything and call it a day"

[minor fractal]

85% acc. HCP -> 8.5 BS
80% acc./70% crit Revo -> 10.29 HS

Obv it's not entirely that simple

Revo bodyshots are still really good

and there are other things to compare

(also I lose some crit acc. on giants and such)

[safe cradle]

Revo reloads much faster but the QoL of just body-onetapping normal strikers makes me want to take HiCal a lot more than Revo

[prime ore]

I forgot revolver even existed mostly because I picked high cal way more because it's way better for charger missions

[lavish mirage]

Does the health bar turning yellow after running a lot have any adverse effects or is it just to signal low stamina

[keen seal]

low stam

[minor fractal]

Signals max stam iirc

(or empty)

[lavish mirage]

And the yellow syringe boosts damage for a bit but shows as the same yellow health bar?

[mystic rock]

health bar turning yellow signals <10% stam

and the yellow syringe effect is indeed the same color but without the yellow stamina flash

infection warning happens at >86% and health warning at <14% if you want other tresholds for those flashes

[soft crater]

Max infection / 20% hp is the norm

[lavish mirage]

Starts mission, is at 20% hp in 3 minutes

[normal granite]

is respawn 2 rooms away, or is it based on being in the zone?

[fathom ice]

if you're in the zone it doesn't matter things does not respawn while you're in it

[tardy ingot]

Stuff respawns if

1. in a different zone
2. 2 rooms away from player
3. (internal timer passed)

[dreamy socket]

Thats weirdly specific, but sorta makes sense.
Also means less worry about respawns for me imo

[verbal rose]

are these conditions AND or OR ?

[burnt inlet]

And

[timber shoal]

?

[burnt inlet]

Im trolling

Read wrong

Im tired ok

I just had a evil maths question ok

Shush

[normal granite]

you just cant read tho moth

[timber shoal]

stuff needs to be 2 rooms away + in a diff zone and the internal timer needs to have passed

it’s AND

[burnt inlet]

Bluh

[digital mural]

evil math?

[burnt inlet]

I read wrong first then right the second time then wrong the third

[burnt inlet]

Yes

One question

3 C points 3 A points

Takes legit like

3 pages to solve

2.5 maybe

[digital mural]

thats pretty evil

just like the residents

[verbal rose]

you get a bonus .5 pt if you throw in a sick one liner?

[fathom ice]

or

wait no i'm stupid

and

[tardy ingot]

[timber shoal]

was gonna say

[tardy ingot]

Sky
Did moth take over your account

[burnt inlet]

Team my bad

[fathom ice]

i brain lagged

[burnt inlet]

^

Wait what's the timer one?

Oh right

[ripe hamlet]

what is this internal timer thing

and how can i abuse it

[timber shoal]

correct me if im wrong but there’s an internal check that happens every so often which respawns a room

[burnt inlet]

Wait @tardy ingot you forgor one thing no? The enemies actually being dead

[ripe hamlet]

how often is this check

[timber shoal]

so there’s a chance that if you just step out for a second you might not respawn the room

[timber shoal]

eva would prolly know

maybe 10 seconds?

[burnt inlet]

I've gotten abused enough by hidden timers in this game that I'll start to abuse it

[fathom ice]

listen when I was doing my 7e1 solo

I grabbed code 3 and went out and my B didn't respawn

and it was like 15 seconds at least

[tardy ingot]

… I figured that was obvious in this case

Its Re-spawn

not more-spawn

[ripe hamlet]

more modded rundown idea

infinitely spawning sleeper hive

[burnt inlet]

Until I duo speeded r6d1 I thought it was just a spawn room if ur 2 rooms or more away from it

[ripe hamlet]

crazy

[burnt inlet]

Don't underestimate stupid people

[timber shoal]

i didn’t know until like 50 hours of gameplay ago

[burnt inlet]

After all that's how we got ----- ---- review of gtfo

[timber shoal]

was duoing with lakana and i said something abt respawns and he was like wtf are you talking about 😭

[burnt inlet]

😭🙏

[fathom ice]

he would

dad behaviour

[ripe hamlet]

gg

maybe the hate vid has a point after all 😔

[timber shoal]

shhhh

it never became relevant for me until this point

mostly

[burnt inlet]

^

[timber shoal]

r5d2 was where i learned

fun duo

[burnt inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1391099704330424340/1485124380424929290/IMG_1560.gif

[lavish mirage]

Does the ingame matchmaking ever make matches?

[upbeat flame]

yeah but it's not good

[lavish mirage]

I waited for like 10 minutes and didnt find a single person xd

It was jus brrr ing

[uneven kiln]

never use ingame match making

[burnt inlet]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[meager mortar]

has anyone ever made a tool that plots the distribution of levels posted in the LFG chat

[timber shoal]

get tgb on this immediately

[ocean spindle]

plots?

like

cinema like? a story?

[lavish mirage]

Or plotting like a plant

[past mesa]

Oooo this could be fun

It also sounds miserable because people change the way they go about writing text

[fathom ice]

you just look for R1A1 or smth in the message no

[past mesa]

Yeah but what about a message like r1a1 or r2a1 you have to check the entire string

And you could have someone just say

Any E tier

or level names(insane)

[upper ginkgo]

i feel like logistically you can just ignore those

[past mesa]

Maybe

definitely

[upper ginkgo]

like people who say lfg any level

[past mesa]

Maybe we should count just voxy alt messages

and see what level you play the most

[upper ginkgo]

my web dev idea was gonna be a pubdex

where we collect data on every gtfo pub

and have it be publicly available

[past mesa]

Honestly we should find out who posts them most

In gtfo lfg

king of the pubs

I think it is a good title

THERE Is 1 million posts

In lfg

North America

Omg

[upper ginkgo]

i have 2k messages in lfg-na

[past mesa]

There is about 2 million messages overall

Honestly this could be done in maybe like a day or two

[upper ginkgo]

and maybe like 30% of them are shitposts

[past mesa]

Thanks for slow mode

Also voxy would you just ingore someone double posting for levels

like someone goes r1d1 then 2 mins later says it again

[upper ginkgo]

probably not

like you'd probably just use the timestamp and then determine a post as "new" if 30 minutes have elapsed since the og post

[past mesa]

Ehhh string computation is fast so surely it wouldn’t take to long to run through all the messages

[upper ginkgo]

yeah even if you write a script in python i don't think it'll take too long to finish

[past mesa]

My research project took 6 hours to finish running in python I think this would take less time?

o just don’t know if I want to download 2 millions discord messages

[upper ginkgo]

idk what computations you were running

[past mesa]

Mini max on 2700 positions about 4 legal moves from any given position, at a depth of 20

With alpha beta pruning and a position table

But no move ordering

Or iterative depth searches

[upper ginkgo]

yeah i have no idea what this means cause i took like two cs classes in uni

[past mesa]

It is just a depth searching algorithm the depth positions and legal moves are supposed to give you an idea of how many positions

There are

but it is shitty and barely runs the visted table was kinda a waste of time

[meager mortar]

you alone are a thousandth of the posts in lfg na

that's an amazing rate

[livid stone]

@whole summit

[whole summit]

das me

[past mesa]

@livid stone

[balmy sedge]

r3 doesn't have an E level?

[ocean spindle]

nopik

is a easier rundownn overall than r2

[balmy sedge]

yes, i was just suprised, thats all. anticipated some "secret" or something 🙂

[ocean spindle]

nahh this games v straighttforwad ksks

[ripe hamlet]

the humble r3e1

[ocean spindle]

how bout i AAAA u how bout that

[fathom ice]

those who know

[civic wave]

tfw 8 different r3e1s exist

[fathom ice]

^

[ripe hamlet]

we need r6e1 to complete the trifecta

r1e1 already been done

[fathom ice]

dw it also exists

i haven't been a part of a clear

[raven copper]

need r1e2

[uneven kiln]

The consuming black fog is now permanent

[ebon light]

is this good

[fathom ice]

MID as hell

you're just starving for the whole level

[ebon light]

FUCK

play r6e1 an get back to me ❤️

[fathom ice]

6e1 is better I think but I wasn't around when peeps cleared it

[raven copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841800228990222371/1301289866394341487/togif.gif

[fathom ice]

it's a reactor

or something

idk

[ebon light]

shiiiit

[fathom ice]

I don't remember most maps tbh

f.01 and f.03 are kinda chill

you could do them

[ebon light]

when i get a team

[fathom ice]

one day

[ebon light]

some year

when syntav can play during the week

[fathom ice]

I could ask you to fill but like

we're at f.08 and it kinda needs very good players so

[ebon light]

id want to start at 1

[fathom ice]

ye mayb when we finish

[vestal crest]

Are the tank and mother spawns at the end of r4e1 fixed or is it random?

[prime musk]

it is static ish

there are two patterns

but both spawn them at a very similar location in the front of the room

[vestal crest]

Do they just switch spots sometimes? Is that what you meant?

[prime musk]

no, it's always tank to the left of pmom

but sometimes they spawn like
on top of each other

inside of each other

whatever you want to call it

[vestal crest]

Oh wack

[prime musk]

in that case they are in the middle of how they spawn when they are split

[vestal crest]

So is rushing pmom with a c-foam tripmine a decent strategy?

I was worried it might be inconsistent if the spawns were random

But if pmom is always right

[prime musk]

you should NOT go for the "speed" strategy of jumping through door and ctripping and killing pmom

but if you're willing to backtrack so that everyone can have a lot of health, and then learn the ctrip placement, and bring at least 2 client scatters

then you could play for it

[vestal crest]

What’s the alternative? Pulling tank out of the room and dealing with pmom later?

Hoping pmom gets stuck and doesn’t see you?

[prime musk]

the standard strategy is to pull out tank and ctrip tank to kill

you can do sentry aggro tech for pmom

[vestal crest]

What that?

[prime musk]

specifically using room divider to make it sprint through

[prime musk]

mom needs los to the player she is aggrod on to birth
she aggros on player that last damages it
ie

place sentry

it shoots pmom

that player doesn't peek

everyone else can los freely

[vestal crest]

Wait that’s crazy lol

Always a good time learning new GTFO quirks

So in other words 3 players can get behind the pmom and shoot before she aggros?

[prime musk]

yeah

[vestal crest]

Might be a bit tricky with a bot shooting

Maybe just have the bot and sentry aggro guy camp together away from pmom?

Then 2 people can get behind before she aggros

Actually can mother even aggro bots?

[prime musk]

yes

[vestal crest]

So just to make sure I have this right, you pull tank out of the apex door through the room divider and ctrip him, meanwhile a sentry facing into the apex door aggros mom so 2-3 people can rush into apex room without pmom aggroing?

[prime musk]

the strategy i would suggest (assuming you have 2 ctrips) is almost as you describe

place sentry facing away from matrix door but on it so that it continually shoots mom to reaggro
ctrip on wall in divider so that when tank sprints through it triggers and your scatter(s) and burst cannon(s) can just kill

then use aggro to get free approach and ctrip on mom

[ocean spindle]

does mom aggroes in normal circumstances to whoev does los first?

[vestal crest]

Oohhh I see

So you can ctrip both and make it free

[prime musk]

no mom aggro works like every other enemy

ie it is largely random

[ocean spindle]

why does it always seem to spawn when any player peeks?

not just like r4e1 sentry situation but any, a normal team of 4 hiding in r3d1

[prime musk]

well in r3d1 it tends to be the case that everyone give her los at roughly the same time

but in general having los when she triggers a reaggro

means you're getting aggrod on

[frail heart]

i think they are both on the tanks usual position no?

[prime musk]

pretty sure they are at least moved a bit to the right of where tank usually is

even if it isn't middle middle

[ocean spindle]

thaaaat makes sense

✨

i rlly thought mom just had like universal aggro

waos

[prime musk]

im sure you know how los works for tank and how you grab aggro by shooting it, it's the same for mom

hiding from tank when another player has los just instantly loses aggro on you and gives aggro to the other player

[vestal crest]

I’m guessing when sentry stops shooting mom she reaggros pretty quick?

[prime musk]

it is

inconsistent

[vestal crest]

W

[prime musk]

because she does need to roll a reaggro

sometimes it stops shooting and you can full sprint to her and afk for 15s before she births, and sometimes she can almost isntantly reaggro on someone else

[ocean spindle]

ah that example just made me realize i was not thinkin

[vestal crest]

Point Kid would go crazy with that info

[prime musk]

so true

[vestal crest]

Well I’m guessing even if she reaggros at least we should be able to ctrip her while she is in the birthing animation

Thanks for the guidance, I just gotta actually pass the secondary first

[prime musk]

foaming a mom or pmom after babies have begun spawning in does NOT stop the birth

[vestal crest]

Oh 🔥

I see the issue

If we ctrip while she is in the windup?

[fathom ice]

while she's in windup it's fine

whenever she actually births she just will keep birthing

[vestal crest]

Wrong reaction lmao

[prime musk]

you can also waait for pmom to scream to approach

it is deceptively one of (if not the?) longest scream animations in the entire game

with sentry aggro and only approaching on scream you're 99.9% likely to get foam trip off on her

[surreal lodge]

me watching the .1% chance of a pub to miss the trip

[ocean spindle]

dont say that once i missed a cmine on a sleepin hybrid

[prime musk]

every mistake you have ever done i have done and more probably

so don't worry about it

[keen seal]

stagger the mom while shes birthing for a surprise

[vestal crest]

Doesn’t that cause her to run while birthing?

[grizzled patrol]

@prisma cradle

[prisma cradle]

@grizzled patrol

[grizzled patrol]

1984 Running is bad
1984 Crouch on front Clapclapclap
1984 Do not shoot during birth

[prisma cradle]

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[burnt inlet]

1984 we aren't number 1

[civic laurel]

is this m as in thousand

[keen seal]

m as in mixed

[timber shoal]

yes

1004 bioscans + team scan

[topaz anvil]

no bc its VM its 5000

[raven copper]

500 bioscans

[topaz anvil]

500 cigarettes 🔥

[raven copper]

[timber shoal]

you're so right

[raven copper]

5 million bioscans

[timber shoal]

class 5000 supercluster

thoughts?

[topaz anvil]

Isn't that just r8b4 secondary by default?

[timber shoal]

no i mean 5000 supercluster scans back to back

[topaz anvil]

oooooh

hmmm

idk

needs some variety

[timber shoal]

toss in a few blink teamscans for funsies

[raven copper]

I WAS JUS GKNNA SAY THAT😭😭😭

make it random too

so it jsnt consistent

[topaz anvil]

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