gtfo-related-questions

[ripe hamlet]

😔

i wont relapse maybe

[winter breach]

https://tenor.com/view/william-afton-burning-in-hell-gif-22798912

Homophobia kills

[timber shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1438937971947475185/1449497628994965715/ezgif.com-speed1.gif

[ripe hamlet]

the result of my union with infected chicken

[timber shoal]

😭

baby bleeder is your child

interesting

[keen seal]

baby bleeder? hell no

sound obnoxious as hell

[winter breach]

Buddy this is not fear and hunger

[timber shoal]

wouldnt know

its moth's ss

[keen seal]

well Imagine every time you get hit you lose like an extra 15 health over time because fuck you

[ripe hamlet]

😍

we love bleeding status

how about hitscan-tongue grabber

what if we combine them

[keen seal]

hallowed striker on its way to ruin your day

[ripe hamlet]

we need hitscan shooters

[keen seal]

I mean you have nightmare shooters

and hallowed ones too

[ripe hamlet]

not fast enough

[keen seal]

you need to pull off some olympic levels athletics to dodge those

[timber shoal]

snatcher but it captures you with projectiles instead of melee and it runs to the furthest corner of the map and waits there while you bleed to death

[ripe hamlet]

it has to shoot projectile that goes through one or two layers of walls so that you cant just hide behind an object to dodge it

[timber shoal]

wait wait

snatcher that takes both you and itself into snatcher dimension so you can 1v1

and once you're in there it squares up with you

hind legs and everything

and it tries to beat the shit out of you

[ripe hamlet]

domain expansion ahh snatcher

[timber shoal]

wait am i just reinventing a valorant character

isnt there one that does some shit like that

sends you to the pocket dimension to have an aim check contest

[ripe hamlet]

gamer rage skill

[timber shoal]

its iso

that one

chud ass character

[grizzled patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-league-league-of-legends-lol-aram-aphelios-gif-231158413285149456

[subtle warren]

Okay, how do you get all cosmetics? Like i get that you have to finish for the first time n what not, but i really wanted the robot hand one but i couldn't get it.

i lowkey wanna reset progress specifically so i could grab those cosmetics

[hollow harbor]

https://thunderstore.io/c/gtfo/p/AuriRex/AllVanity/

[normal granite]

Unfortunately/fortunately, you cannot reset progress

Getting cosmetics has some rng to it, since there are too many cosmetics but not enough levels

[subtle warren]

man...

[normal granite]

Edited

I said items instead of levels by accident lol

[grizzled patrol]

You had to play since early access

[subtle warren]

Guys is there a time traveler in this server?

[grizzled patrol]

yes. called downpatching. unfortunately tho, it does not affect the item server

[mystic rock]

the method to reset progression is still there but no input returns any successful behavior by the playfab servers so it's a scrapped feature of the game

[lean quiver]

Hi. I'm new to the game and want to practice my movement and melee fights with groups of enemies, but every guide on yt i find is outdated , so do you have any guides to recommend or some tips and technics to learn

[frail heart]

I would recommend checking out all these guides as they are made by some of the best players in the world and give very good information:

Hanimoon's Advanced Mechanical Guide - https://youtu.be/bz7Wf9MtRDo?si=N49u1XvVDxp5esZ3

Hanimoon's Micro Management Guide - https://youtu.be/yGkl8LQMLyQ?si=8z3Q8dv28pgT4-mO

Hanimoon's Macro Management Guide - https://youtu.be/piw1474754Y?si=SZ6jwzNYyeY8iABj

Beth's Shooting Guide - https://youtu.be/4vEjf2w5e2M?si=S-02ZnYrDk2mFsPb

D4rkeva's "How to SPEED UP Your GTFO Runs" - https://youtu.be/ZkgdH1k0e4A?si=Ef32mzhq4P2aDs7r

D4rkeva's Stealth Guide - https://youtu.be/I0PP1U_MM74?si=166AGTfd7-PK634S

okay bro

whats with the embeds

[lean quiver]

Thanks a lot

[minor fractal]

It's still mostly circling, just you have to take opportunities to reset stam.

Knife is easily better than anything else for this, as charged melee has no stamina cost.

Generally for vanilla gameplay you should favor shooting, especially for sake of conserving health. If melee would cause you to take damage, you should avoid melee in that instance.

Respect the naruto and crawler stances the most, as they have the fastest tongue anims.

Dodging tongue before melee is often correct, but knife can get a kill into stagger w/ a partial charge to head on the second swing.

Needs to be just 2 or delayed tongues if there are more.

If you have more than 3 or 4 strikers, you really should shoot to make space.

[timber shoal]

pluh

[vernal marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/pluh-cat-cat-meme-caption-worldbox-gif-8990606681903386683

[timber shoal]

thats what i woulda did

bio midterm time :3

hopefully i don’t get giga fucked

[vernal marsh]

I slept thru my first class today

https://tenor.com/view/celinedionathan-gif-7629606290022455893

[vernal marsh]

gl

[upbeat flame]

Bio midterm lightwork fr

[timber shoal]

could’ve been worse

there was more on there than i was expecting

also some stuff i dont think we covered in class but wtv

[upbeat flame]

Yeah it be like that sometimes

[lone elbow]

Ah I hate it when that happens lol

Just put stuff in an exam that we haven’t gone through yet

[burnt inlet]

What’s worse is when they only cover it for one lesson and you’re sick that lesson…

[lone elbow]

Ooo yeah

[burnt inlet]

And then there’s only one question in the book that covers it

[lone elbow]

And u got homework relating to that lesson too

[burnt inlet]

And then there’s 0 thing you can do about it

[lone elbow]

Fr

[burnt inlet]

No it shows up on the test

And you’re now c*cked

Anyways

[lone elbow]

Ah yeh

[upbeat flame]

sometimes you jus gotta tank that

gg go next yknow what I'm sayin

[lone elbow]

Real

Tough it up

[burnt inlet]

Eh one C question an like I’m doing good on everything else methinks

[lone elbow]

broski why they be breaking every single fucking door at the class 4 alarm in zone 608 of r2d1

[mystic rock]

2 spawn points each with their own 4 sets of doors except for the middle one totalling at 7 potential door targets for pathing if all are closed + the fact that they can spawn on top of doors, you can probably estimate at least 4 door breaks on average on that alarm if not funneling at all

[ripe hamlet]

which one is 608

[mystic rock]

it's 607

608 is last zone and has no alarm

door furthest north

[ripe hamlet]

is it the fucked up alarm in a large room

[mystic rock]

requires key and the door is in gen cluster room

[lone elbow]

its 608

that has the class 4

[mystic rock]

door to 608 sure

but in zone 607

[lone elbow]

i tried funnelling them through 607c

by opening the door that goes to it but then they just started breaking every door and im like waht the fuck

[mystic rock]

just spawning too close to door

their spawning room in A is very tiny and room D is so huge that they can sometimes just take the double door break path over double open doors if far enough into the room

[lone elbow]

;damn

i had no sentry ammo and two waves spawned one from top one from bottom

so i was universally fucked

[ripe hamlet]

just do both blood doors

ezclap

[mystic rock]

it is quite a bad alarm in practice yet seems so simple on paper

honestly yeah for r2d1 I just do all fog dives

[ripe hamlet]

i never did that alarm

its too annoying

[lone elbow]

it has the disinfection station zone key

thats why i wanted to do it

[mystic rock]

I mean unless your entire team fog dived you don't need dis room

just do resource zone

[ripe hamlet]

if you only let one or two people fog dive you dont need that station

theres enough disinfect packs

[lone elbow]

its just me with bots

i only got through that alarm once

[ripe hamlet]

Then you don’t need disinfect station

The bots don’t get infected

And they see through fog

[lone elbow]

yeah

[ripe hamlet]

Just do both blood doors

[lone elbow]

yeah

[burnt inlet]

Isn’t that for disinfection zone?

I see snek covered that

[indigo lion]

wiki.gg says r5d1 zone 509 contains 40 medi 100 tool, but it actually has 40 medi 120 disinfect

i dont feel like creating an account for 1 edit so you can change that if someone actually cares about wiki ofc

[thick stump]

@uneven kiln

[uneven kiln]

I can take a look shortly

[sick mauve]

damn 40 uses of med is a lot of med

[winter breach]

not if youre playing survival

[glacial cairn]

What are the best guns. Ideally one for high dps and one for good range

[uneven kiln]

updated, thanks

does anyone have that common tierlist that gets thrown around

[timber shoal]

sawed off is best main, hel gun/hel rifle/scatter in special

hel revo, hel shotgun, burst cannon, combat shotgun, hi cal are all good too

[simple ember]

1. Do guns get the back of the head multipliers
2. How do I dash and or drop slide ;0;

I'm playing with friends for the first time through R1 and I saw them doing it but couldn't figure it out

[upbeat flame]

Guns do get back of head multipliers

To dash just press shift while strafing iirc

Not exactly sure what you mean by drop slide but if you sprint and crouch for a bit you do slide

[lone elbow]

Dash just press shift and the two directional keys being A and D

A for right and D for left uk

[upbeat flame]

Yeah

[burnt inlet]

Explain a bit more on the drop slide, is it whilst they’re running and they’re like half sliding bobbing up and down?

[simple ember]

Yeah exactly that

[burnt inlet]

So that’s slide canceling

You crouch and uncrouch when sprinting

Useless for regular gameplay, saves about 11 meters over 5 minutes

[simple ember]

Is sprinting and running different?

I crouch while running and it doesn't slide, just puts me in crouch walking

[burnt inlet]

Nop

[burnt inlet]

You need to do it quickly

And also not too often

There’s a timing to it

[simple ember]

I'll have to practice it later

Thanks for telling me

[burnt inlet]

Not super useful

Cuz again

It saves a very small amount

Learning when to stamina reset (110 bpm) is better

[civic wave]

140 is what i learned for stam reset lmao

110 you're still moving at great pace

[burnt inlet]

TGB did some calcs and 110 is closer

I think 114 is the optimal

Iirc

[tardy ingot]

it depends on distance

But 110s is actually quite optimal

[timber shoal]

short for calculator

[burnt inlet]

Frfr

[tardy ingot]

The time lag if you do it at late 120s or early 130s isnt that noteable tho

If you dont reset once you hit 140 you are either in range of the goal, about to die or ass

[burnt inlet]

😭

So blunt

[civic wave]

actually i think you'll find i'm quite talented and a trailblazer

[tardy ingot]

ass at stam management tbf

but in range of goal/about to die cover basically all realistic reasons (aside from not giving a shit)

Trailblaze is a pretty meh move tho smh goat

Run with the meta game

wood hammer >

[burnt inlet]

I’m so hungry

Could devour a 9 piece bicken bugget large meal rn

[little pilot]

the graph, X axis is how many seconds u are running, Y axis is when you should reset to cover the most distance in that amount of time

not that below around <40 sec you should not reset

[burnt inlet]

Me when I snow to stam reset at 110 cuz im running for 69 seconds

[little pilot]

and crouch slides basically elongates the graph to the right

[burnt inlet]

Is this in combat?

[little pilot]

yep

non combat graph:

[simple ember]

This is confusing can I just choose 110 and reset when it goes above that ;0;

[timber shoal]

yes

[little pilot]

generally yes, the technical strat for like speedruns would be to check how many stamina resets u need such that ur stamina is always below 125 and then do that, but ehhhh, u see 120 on the bpm, u can probably reset and you will still end up being faster as long as u dont get to ur target in the next 20-30 seconds

[burnt inlet]

No one saw that

[lone elbow]

Bro like I’m so confused genuinely what the fuck is a stamina reset

😭

[burnt inlet]

So when you run for a long time in combat you start running slower

Cuz theres a stamina function

It’s shown via the heartbeat/BPM thing

[lone elbow]

Yeah u go super sayan

[burnt inlet]

And at 110 BPM you should start to walk instead of running

Unless ur target is close

[lone elbow]

And that’s what it is?

[burnt inlet]

Thats what stamina resetting is yea

[lone elbow]

I just like did the thing where u crouch/slide occasionally while running and that makes ur stamina longer

[burnt inlet]

Yea its only a minor improvement though

[little pilot]

that needs to be combined with good stamina resets

[lone elbow]

Ah

[little pilot]

generally just stop running at around 110-120

[lone elbow]

I c

[burnt inlet]

when should you start running again?

[lone elbow]

Also when do I know if I m in combat is it just me swinging or shooting or is there another indicator

Or did I get it wrong

[burnt inlet]

The music generally

[little pilot]

when u see ~60, altho over time u start to get the timings on the stamina resets

[lone elbow]

Ah

[burnt inlet]

If something is woke then ur in combat

[lone elbow]

Oh I c

I didn’t know combat stat was a thing

And does stamina decrease faster in combat?

[burnt inlet]

You cant go below 70%(?) stamina (like 120 iirc) when ur not in combat

[burnt inlet]

Yes

So normal running is 2/3% decrease

And in combat its 5/3% decrease (1.67%)

[lone elbow]

Ah I c

[burnt inlet]

And I believe other stamina reducing stuff is also affected

But i run knife

So I wouldn’t snow

[cedar heath]

Are there mods or ways to track how many logs collected?

[simple ember]

And what is artifact heat

[sudden nexus]

.t artifacts

ending it

.t heat

oh its so over

multiplier on how much eah artifacts counts towards a booster

[simple ember]

Booster?

[sudden nexus]

archive has that afaik

[sudden nexus]

collect artifacts = get booster

.t artifact

guhp

[simple ember]

And booster does?

[sudden nexus]

temporary boost to yourself

[simple ember]

So the more I play a mission, less artifacts affect it?

[sudden nexus]

yea

and play other ones to restore heat

[simple ember]

Alright I get it now

Thank you

[burnt inlet]

LogLibrary by jme or "the archive" by auri (recommended)

[prime musk]

https://andocas.com/gtfo/log-tracker/

[cedar heath]

Tysm. It's easier to 100% achievement now

[mystic rock]

mfw they promote the Ando website (my boyfriend has clout fr fr)

[frail heart]

ando has crazy aura

[livid prairie]

My group has a question regarding the end of R4E1:
|| Does the P-Mother have a mandatory baby spawn upon opening the door, or is it still line of sight like other mothers? ||

[timber shoal]

line of sight

[livid prairie]

Ok, thanks

My group just returned from a long break and died at the end on our third attempt, and are debating amongst ourselves if there is a better strategy than what we did. Based on that info, our alternate should work better.

[ripe hamlet]

Losing at the end is gigachoke ngl

[timber shoal]

pmom death my beloathed 😔

[ripe hamlet]

They forgot to bring hel shotty

😔

[calm pulsar]

So we're cheating on Chill

[flat river]

Hello!

I have a question related to horde spawns.

I know that horde should spawn in second room from where alarm was triggered, but in this case, after we activated terminal to connect, horde spawned in adjacent room to us, not in 233B as we thought (as it is the only second room from us).

Does terminal hordes spawn differently than alarm hordes or I understand something wrong?

[ripe hamlet]

Uplink?

Uplink alarm will almost always spawn only in the zone

So if there isn’t 2 room away they will spawn 1 room away

[flat river]

oh, that is why is was like this...

[timber shoal]

uplinks are a niche case ye

alarms, uplinks, and reactors all have different spawn logic from one another

[tardy ingot]

They spawned 1 room further left

Thats 2 seperate rooms

They spawned in E basically

Since there is „E“ there is 5 rooms. With the room your marked being another one

[flat river]

Yes, they are separate, I meant this.

Alarm hordes have 1 room buffer, so in case of alarm they had to spawn in room marked as "2" always.

But people above already explained that uplink alarm works differently.

btw no idea where Room C was lol

[burnt inlet]

Uplinks always spawn in the same zone as you

But as Eva said, there’s a second room to the left that also is two rooms away, so it’s guaranteed spawns from that room

[flat river]

Where...

[burnt inlet]

Roughly this

You can see it’s named E, meaning there’s 5 rooms in the zone, you’ve mapped out all but one

It’s a room divider

[flat river]

oh... so wall was broken and no door

[tardy ingot]

open room divider

Same thing as every spawn

the room signs are a good indicator that people tend to overlook when new

[burnt inlet]

It’s just a room divider, can be seen quite often via 1. Triangles on the corners of the upper entrance to the room 2. Room changing letter 3. Getting a feel for it

[tardy ingot]

Im more concerned that dodo and snek didnt realize the room divider

[burnt inlet]

Pubs

[flat river]

yeah, need to track more things in this case... good that mission is easy, in hard ones could die because of it, as we put all sentries here lol

[burnt inlet]

For the number 3. You can get a feel for it via looking at the layout of the room, in this case it’s a bit of a oddball with it being like pinched

[burnt inlet]

Good thing to note with normal uplinks is that they only spawn in your zone

[flat river]

yep

[burnt inlet]

I think there’s a few exceptions though? Right @tardy ingot?

[tardy ingot]

with exceptions ya

[burnt inlet]

Ye

If the room is the entire zone I think they spawn 2 rooms away

[tardy ingot]

ya

and theres R7C3 which is just unique

[burnt inlet]

My uplink broke

It done got no money

[flat river]

Also just to confirm: alarm hordes spawn depending on where alarm was triggered or where team is located?

[tardy ingot]

Where players are located

but also a few other things

It actually gets semi complicated

[little pilot]

it depends on alarm too

some alarms will spawn enemies only in designated areas, some will randomize based on where players are and where the alarm was started

some alarms will spawn only towards the entrance of the level

[burnt inlet]

Hai that one reactor an that one error

[ripe hamlet]

I’m so washed 😔

[burnt inlet]

Frfr

[flat river]

As I already joined, I have one more question.

Which sentry is better overall (not specific rare scenarios): Shotgun or Burst?

Burst kills Striker for 4 shots (12 bullets) and Shooter for 5 shots (15 bullets).
Shotgun kills both for 2 shots and spends 2 bullets.

With max ammo Burst can kill 21 Strikers or 17 Shooters.
With max ammo Shotgun can kill 33 Strikers or 33 Shooters.

Shotgun also have higher detection speed and gets buff from marked enemies.

And they have same RPM.

So... mathematically Burst wins everywhere except range of fire, which is compensated with detection speed. But maybe mechanically there is difference that makes Shotgun worse?

[ripe hamlet]

Shotgun is the worst sentry with no redeeming quality

[flat river]

Oh... Math doesn't mathing then, I guess

May I know why?

I thought sniper one is worse, feels useless, slow, low ammo

[ripe hamlet]

Miss a lot, overshoot, short range

Sniper is very good for long sight line

It’s potentially the most efficient and strongest

Hel auto is more niche and is a staller

[minor fractal]

Sniper is good for all targets, where-as burst really wants small targets specifically.

[tiny wyvern]

Well, Shotgun sentry burst fires, has less than ideal accuracy and generally just doesn't perform very well unless you know how to put it

[tardy ingot]

1. Shotgun sentry has awful accuracy. So it often flat out can just miss
2. even if it doesnt fully miss it tends to not hit its full shot due to spread
3. Even if it somehow fully hits it doesnt necessarily kill as it doesnt have crazy high dmg like sniper
4. even if it does kill it tends to shoot the dead body again (multiple times even when under bio tracker buff) wasting extra ammo

On top of that it kinda struggles due to its low range not being super beneficial.
The moments where shotgun sentry „should“ shine is when hel auto sentry out performs it in efficiency and killing power. All without even needing bio tracker.

Sniper sentry does need good sight lines and prefers bigger targets and bio pings. But it genuinely gets rly strong in the right circumstances

There rly isnt ever a reason to use shotgun sentry in this game

[tardy ingot]

Hel auto is actually a killing sentry if used correctly

[burnt inlet]

Dunno if this was said but shotgun sentry targets head (like every sentry), this makes it so that a large amount of the pellets miss

[tardy ingot]

Looking at raw numbers only rly works if you know exactly how stuff interacts in the game and whats important aswell

[flat river]

Good that I asked, as after me and friends checked wiki we started taking only Shotgun Sentry as mathematically it is great. Turns out we made our efficiency wose lol

Thanks

[tardy ingot]

we love the sentry that misses, shits itself or shoots dead bodies baiting beginners again and again

You arent the only one who fell for it

But funnily enough its always the worst sentry that this happens with

[ripe hamlet]

Also only hel auto sentry has back dmg multiplier

[burnt inlet]

Same with spear and sniper (as in the gun)

😭

[tardy ingot]

OG R5 -> burst was used by newbies (sniper and even auto better)
OG R6 -> auto sentry (burst/sniper waaay better)
R7 onwards -> shotgun sentry (burst and sniper and then hel auto waaay better)

[flat river]

I love spear, taking it everywhere and can solo giants with no damage taken

[tardy ingot]

Sniper at least is a very known archetype

And spear seems like comfort plus range

[ripe hamlet]

Spear is a crutch

[burnt inlet]

With enough skill you can solo giants with hammer too ;3

[ripe hamlet]

If you can do anything and better with hammer

[burnt inlet]

Crutch*

[tardy ingot]

Tbf all melee weapons can

Spear is the worst melee generally (but the downside is less so than shotgun sentry or some bottom tier guns)

[tiny wyvern]

Early game spear's fine
When you need to start running though it starts to hurt

[tardy ingot]

As long as you werent using smth like

Melee: spear
Main: AR/Bullpup
special: sniper/arbalist mg/short rifle
Tool: shotgun sentry

You were still fine

[burnt inlet]

R2C2 is first level youll see it fall

[flat river]

ok, won't tell what weapons I use to not feel that even here I use worse options...

[tardy ingot]

[tiny wyvern]

You're new
Most of the weapons that were mentioned feel really good to use

[flat river]

We are currently in R2E1, but couldn't make it and went to R3

[tardy ingot]

If you ever wanna check (mostly) spoiler free stuff I recommend scrolling up in the #guides-and-reviews message channel

[burnt inlet]

The error part is rough for new players, same with the surges if you don’t snow the Strats

But yea skipping is right choice

[ripe hamlet]

R3 is easy

R4/5 is where shit hits the fan

[normal granite]

R3 my favourite rundown

[ripe hamlet]

Surely not

[burnt inlet]

Not R8 lmao

Or R6

😭

[ripe hamlet]

It only has one good fun lvl

[normal granite]

A1, A3, B2, C1, D1

[ripe hamlet]

Not c1 🥀

[normal granite]

i like C1

[flat river]

ok fine, my ONLY setup is:

Spear
Buckland SBS III (I wanted shotgun and this one feels the most efficient, as have fast reload)
Drekker Del P1 (I really love thermal scope and oneshots Strikers and Shooters, can't use anything else)
Bio Tracker (I am communicating my team, others don't want to do this)

[ripe hamlet]

Use weapon name not manufacture name

[flat river]

umm...

sec

these

[ripe hamlet]

Sawed off is the best main

[normal granite]

precision rifle and sawed off

[tardy ingot]

Sawed is the best main in the game

So thats good

[tiny wyvern]

Those are fine

[ripe hamlet]

Prec is meh

[normal granite]

precision rifle is okay

[ripe hamlet]

It’s reload is too long for me

[normal granite]

its managable

[tiny wyvern]

And you get to see the stupid shadow scout head

[ripe hamlet]

But I just true duo only so I need that uptime

[normal granite]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mad-so-no-head-sonohead-U6SqBmifGGHkae9JFQ

[tardy ingot]

Precision rifle is niche

It falls off in later rundowns due to its bad matchup into chargers and generally being outvalued by the top tier choices into smalls (and obviously big enemies arent great for it either)

Though funnily enough its rly nice on 2 E tiers xD

(Just dont become reliant on the thermal. Especially if you are a bio tracker)

[ripe hamlet]

If you want thermal just use pdw and pick better special

[normal granite]

thermals are nice until you get a better game sense, then you just dont need thermals

[ripe hamlet]

But yeah you run bio so don’t use thermal

[burnt inlet]

r3a3 (solo), R3B2 (only cuz mom), R3C1 and R3D1

[flat river]

I hate SMGs as a concept

Can't play with them in any game

[burnt inlet]

Sawed off mentioned raaaah

[tardy ingot]

Pdw is a noteable downgrade to top tier mains aswell

PR in the right level actually gets very close to good specials

Pdw never does to mains

[normal granite]

pdw is like the bullpup of main options (yes i know bullpup is a main)

[tardy ingot]

I enjoy running PR on R6D3 (a level its rly good on) and just vibing

[ripe hamlet]

I’d rather have pdw and hel rifle/gun instead of sawed off + pr

[normal granite]

id rather use ears + light

[burnt inlet]

I’d rather use sawed off hel gun

[ripe hamlet]

Real and true

[flat river]

I play with two more friends + one bot and friends are using machine guns, so they compensate downsides of Precision Rifle

[burnt inlet]

Pls tell me the bot is running biotracker, also machine guns aren’t great (theyre decent ish afaik)

[flat river]

bot running Sentry, I run biotracker to communicate

[tardy ingot]

Unless you are getting permanent high pen value the pdw is actually doing less

Plus … why take pdw at all with those guns. It only rly makes sense in the combo of sniper for meme shots and scatter for utility aggro play in say E2 when you need the lil extra help

[burnt inlet]

Bot biotracker is better in combat, stealthing with bio is also… a bit of a crutch

[tardy ingot]

Machine guns dont actually compensate for PR downsides well (veruta is good for 1 of them. Arbalist… isnt)

[tardy ingot]

Its fine tho

Learning to play bio is good

[burnt inlet]

Yea

It’s like

A double edged sword imo

Cuz you wanna realistically snow how to stealth without bio

[flat river]

especially in missions where a lot of shadows, I have no idea how to play there if player doens't have Bio

[burnt inlet]

But yanno its fine for now

[tardy ingot]

Flashlight

[burnt inlet]

You listen to their crackling, you can turn slowly to pin point where they are

And flashlight ofc

[flat river]

but flashlight triggers them

[tardy ingot]

But yea bio on player is perfectly fine

Just dont depend on it at all time

[burnt inlet]

Well you only need to flash for a small amount of time

And that wont wake them up if youre quick

[tardy ingot]

Only very Slowly
Plus you can light up to see where they arent

And you can look at their feet which doesnt trigger them at all

[tardy ingot]

No
Moth no

I hate this advice

People doing the stupid „quick flashes“

[flat river]

didn't know about feet

[tardy ingot]

its so bad

QQ

[burnt inlet]

Ok like just scanning the area

[tardy ingot]

you can look at them for over a second and be fine

[burnt inlet]

But also yea you can look at them longer (also i mean quick being like a second)

[flat river]

ok so I will leave my gun setup as is, but maybe try hammer instead of spear

[burnt inlet]

Yayyy

[normal granite]

absolutely

[flat river]

I am just comfotable with my guns

[burnt inlet]

Yea you should be ngl its fine enough

[tardy ingot]

Id recommend trying other specials

Mainly cuz its the slot that has the most impact when adjusted well

But also cuz its good to get off a thermal and get used to looking around more naturally (skill growth)

but sawed off is basically the best pick for 99% of situations

[burnt inlet]

“Ehrm achtually hel shotty into babies”

🤓 👆

[flat river]

I like weapons that have high dmg per bullet, even if shoot rarely, but not pure snipers.

don't know examples from game, but from real life sort of these.

[burnt inlet]

Scatter gun ;3

Hel rifle

[ripe hamlet]

the humble hel rifle

[flat river]

that is why I use Perc one

it is similar

[burnt inlet]

Wait yea isnt hel rifle legit a nagant

Cuz its like

Same mag size

High dmg

[ripe hamlet]

and is actually way stronger than pr

[burnt inlet]

And pen

[ripe hamlet]

and can deal with basically everything

[flat river]

but thermal scope also gives so much benefits...

[burnt inlet]

||pablo||

[flat river]

need to test

[burnt inlet]

Does it really though?

[ripe hamlet]

you just dont use your bio enough

[flat river]

yeah, I can easy kill enemies that are FAAAR evey from me, and see them in darkness

[ripe hamlet]

thermal really doesnt matter except for very very rare case

[flat river]

easier to headshot, idk

[burnt inlet]

Biotracker ;3

And its flashlight is pretty good ngl

[burnt inlet]

Headshot doesnt matter for hel rifle

Body shot kills

[flat river]

but I won't see silhouette

[burnt inlet]

Except for like scouts

[burnt inlet]

Aim slightly lower than the ping

And you got a hit

Prommy

Do you remember R1C1?

[tardy ingot]

Prec rifle is actually on the „low-ish“ side

Hel gun/hel rifle are the kinda type aswell tho (just higher dmg each)

[ripe hamlet]

there are very few situation where you are in fog with long sight line

[tardy ingot]

Bio pings
You dont need to kill an enemy 50 meters away (hel rifle body shots does the same thing though while not even needing to get a headshot)

[ripe hamlet]

which is basically the only place where pr would be better than its counterpart

[tardy ingot]

Thermals arent even good in fog

[ripe hamlet]

but even then you just have bio and its basically the same

[burnt inlet]

Also thermals dont show enemies projectiles right?

[ripe hamlet]

yeah

getting bullied by shooters

[tardy ingot]

Its a noteable downside yea

[flat river]

ok, so you suggest instead of Perc use Scattergun, HEL Gun or HEL Rifle

[burnt inlet]

Hel rifle would be the one that would be the most like prec i think

And with hel rifle

Go for lining up enemies

(Easier when theyre pinged)

Scattergun is more so for bosses and stuff that have high hp

Though its not bad for waveclear either

Hel gun req a bit more skill, lining up headshots and its timing/recoil feels different from hel rifles

[flat river]

@tardy ingot I checked your last speedrun for R2D2 out of curiosity and see that you were lagging like really much, enemies were dying after 1s you kill them and also desync issue that you couldn't use annything and timer stopped for you.

Is it internet connection issues or game is just like that? Asking because me and friends sometimes also having such issues, wonder on whose side issue is: bad netcode or just our internet connection not stable...

[tardy ingot]

I was playing with an australian host (im from germany)

But desync and such can happen even if you live in the same district of a city

The game being peer to peer leads to some connections between players being a bit rough sometimes

[flat river]

ok, I see

fun enough that even with such lags you could make world record speedrun lol

[tardy ingot]

usually its @frail heart and Kenny playing on the ping
but because Frosty had awful internet recently we swapped to australian host

[ripe hamlet]

austrian host is quite bad for frosty

[frail heart]

now my internet is good

[tiny wyvern]

bold statement

[subtle warren]

Quick question, is the fog in r6d3 infectious?

or just blinding?

if infectious, welp.

if not, i can manage.

also fellas, what should i pick? Basically pick yo poison

[frail heart]

no

[subtle warren]

oh then why's everyone saying it's hard n stuff

and something about fog

[uneven kiln]

you cant really see that well in the fog

and there is no turbine

that is the basic prognosis

[burnt inlet]

Well youll find out

When you hop into it

Specially if ur doing it with bots

Also do sec R6C2

And R6D2

[subtle warren]

eh r6d2 sec is aids with bots, r6c2 sec i forgo

[burnt inlet]

Krill issue

(Yes it is)

But R6D3

Is gonna be way worse

Specially if you do intended path

[uneven kiln]

kill the bots after the alarm in sec and long kite it

[burnt inlet]

Frfr

[uneven kiln]

alternatively alarm cancel

[burnt inlet]

Ghostly when does the first deactivate alarms terminal open up?

[uneven kiln]

wdym first

theres only one

[burnt inlet]

R6D3

Mb

Does it only open if you do the shutdown?

[uneven kiln]

yes otherwise Z278

[burnt inlet]

I’m tryna figure out what a solo with bots route would be

[ripe hamlet]

you do main -> ovl -> sec

[uneven kiln]

this is correct

any other way is horrible

[burnt inlet]

That shadow error is gonna suck ass then

😭

[ripe hamlet]

use reactor to cancel ovl alarm

and rush sec

cant you just leave the bots behind

[burnt inlet]

Temporarily yea but id want one or two as a like

Clear with me

[ripe hamlet]

i mean leave them to hold shadow

[burnt inlet]

They clip thru walls

And stuff

To get to you

[ripe hamlet]

gg

just long kite it then

[burnt inlet]

But i mean i could theoretically

Actually yea id prolly close doors

Behind me

And maybe foam

[uneven kiln]

later missions with bots really do just boil down to long kiting for dreadful amounts of time

its not fun

possible but super boring

[burnt inlet]

R4D1 !!!!!!

R7D1 !!!!!!

[uneven kiln]

I dont see where youd have to long kite in R4D1 with bots

[burnt inlet]

Thats my point

[uneven kiln]

R7D1 I do

[burnt inlet]

Some later missions

Not all

[burnt inlet]

Eh ig the thingy

Yea

I forgor lowkey

R7D2 !!!!!!!!

[uneven kiln]

R7D2 with bots is just a slot machine

[burnt inlet]

Would R5E1 even be like giga bald with bots?

[uneven kiln]

they cannot handle you getting the charger zone

[burnt inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/slot-machine-slot-cat-cat-machine-like-gif-5133810680897775703

[ripe hamlet]

you barely get charger zone anyway

[uneven kiln]

thats what you think

until I get it 4x in a row

[burnt inlet]

I mean why not go shadow zone?

[ripe hamlet]

the humble term password:

[burnt inlet]

I’ve gotten term password and gotten back

At least i swear i have 😭

[uneven kiln]

its not the term password thats the problem its just how awful bots handle chargers in constant combat

[ripe hamlet]

yeah the bots will get their ass kicked by charger error

[uneven kiln]

your ass has to be doing terminal work and carrying cell

[ripe hamlet]

and term password forced you to go to charger zone sometimes

[burnt inlet]

Wait is it rng between shadow and charger zone?

Didn’t snow

[uneven kiln]

yes

[ripe hamlet]

????

this guy only job is holding i guess

[uneven kiln]

not only is it RNG, charger zone has a rerolling subseed

so that can get pretty disorienting in pitch black

[ripe hamlet]

the lvl is just significantly harder with charger term

[burnt inlet]

Yes 🥀

And i like it

[ripe hamlet]

the error actually spawn inside that zone im pretty sure

[burnt inlet]

Give me like hel gun infinite ammo an like

[ripe hamlet]

its so cooked

[burnt inlet]

I will have infinite fun

[ripe hamlet]

ive never gotten far duo with charger zone seed

[burnt inlet]

Pretty sure ive had shadows spawn in shadow zone too

But mayeb game bug out

[uneven kiln]

the shadow zone doesnt change its own layout and its also not pitch black

you can also fairly often get term pretty fast in there

[ripe hamlet]

shadow zone term is literally in a

and the zone is 3 room

[burnt inlet]

Ye

I was wondering why I didn’t get code that one time

[ripe hamlet]

anyway

talking about r7d2

does opening the mom/tank door add the mom/tank to error

or is it just one off thing

[burnt inlet]

I snow a tank appears from error

[ripe hamlet]

since im pretty sure its one off but the wiki said otherwise

[burnt inlet]

Iirc it’s right after plugging code/entering next zone?

[ripe hamlet]

mom/tank spawns after opening sec door

im just not sure if its one-off or an additional error

[uneven kiln]

the tank zone is also a trap with bots

they can actually do something to moms

they just die of cringe to tanks

[ripe hamlet]

just go to mom zone always anyway

[burnt inlet]

Dauda has gotten a decent amount of tank kills

[ripe hamlet]

just solo scatter pmom

you got a ctrip

maybe its better to open tank zone as quad but for duo mom zone is just way better

[hasty karma]

are the bot's ai bugged, they don't seem to want to enter bio scans and its extremely annoying

[burnt inlet]

Kick them if ur like in the middle of a level, otherwise you need to restart the lobby (or even better restart the game)

Happens after running the same level over and over again iirc

[hasty karma]

are they able to join back afterwards?

[burnt inlet]

Ye you can set them to join back after

But like

If ur doing an alarm

You better be quick with that first team scan

[hasty karma]

thanks

[burnt inlet]

Btw kicking them is pressing esc, setting their slot to locked and then after team scan you set it to bots only/bots and players

[shrewd shoal]

i found if you kick two bots from a two player game it removes half of the packs in all lockers and these to not come back if you add them back. anybody else with this observation?

[civic wave]

the game does not do that on its own

[subtle warren]

okay wtf is wrong with bots, they just stood there for solid 15 seconds without doing anything.

[burnt inlet]

found a box or smth to ping

its a thing

[burnt inlet]

this is not vanilla btw

you have to be running a mod

[subtle warren]

and i can't pick this up 🙂

[civic wave]

oh dear, the dreaded dirt piles

[burnt inlet]

unfort

[civic wave]

generally when a cell is stuck like that, the bots can pick it up

however the bots cannot do that during combat, and r2c2 is constantly in the combat state

[subtle warren]

yep

[flat river]

Does GTFO have issue when host have high FPS, but lobby member have lower FPS, then they have lags?

[little pilot]

lag generally has nothing to do with fps numbers unless it is something truly atrocious aka <20 fps

host having high fps has nothing to do with it however

most of the time lag is because the connection between the 2 players is not great

[subtle warren]

???

SO FCKING DUMB**

imma go cool out for a moment, this run was almost it, had the bots just... NOT staring at the turbine.

[sudden nexus]

"atrocious" is normal gameplay for some of us lmao

[civic wave]

🕯️ jishwasha
🕯️ voidspace

[little pilot]

yea, i was one of you

[sudden nexus]

actually optimal as host for slower door break

[ebon light]

all 1 usable times 🥹 🥹 🥹

fewsable times

like 4

[ripe hamlet]

r6cx brazil is actually hell with <20 fps

[prime musk]

all im going to say is that if your host gets like 1 fps in 6cx dim your team has enough time to finish all the uplinks before the waves manage to break the doors

[lone elbow]

Dw I turned out to be using assault rifle and revolver for most of my runs which are like the worst guns so ur choices are actually good lol

[timber shoal]

revo my goat

[burnt inlet]

Revo isnt bad

[lone elbow]

Yeah but the assault rifle 💀

I forget is the choke mod good?

[timber shoal]

solid

[lone elbow]

Or is the combat shotty better

[timber shoal]

esp into bosses

[lone elbow]

Ik choke mod does good dmg

[timber shoal]

id personally say combat shotty better

[lone elbow]

But combat has more ammo

[timber shoal]

more versatile

[lone elbow]

Yeah

[burnt inlet]

So bald

[timber shoal]

but also they have very different purposes

[lone elbow]

Choke mod has like such less ammo

[lone elbow]

Ah

[timber shoal]

you dont use choke mod for waveclear

[lone elbow]

Combat ig for like plebs and choke mod for bosses and bigs?

[timber shoal]

yes

choke mod into tumors is very strong

[undone raven]

choke mod is really bad into giants

its like only good into bosses

[timber shoal]

can you three tap hybrids from the front with choke mod

[undone raven]

no

[timber shoal]

lame

anyways its more ammo inefficient than bad into giants

kills them quick at least

[undone raven]

no its just bad

1 giant per mag

from front

like

we cant be serious

and the reload

but i love my choke mod <3

[upper ginkgo]

we love outputting 120 dmg in less than a second

[timber shoal]

thats what im sayin

i can pull the trigger so fast my recoil makes me miss two thirds of my pellets

thats what i need out of a gun

[prime musk]

you can
you need to hit limbbreak -> limbbreak (or headshot) -> occi

same tech as bbc spinning to hit 3 shot on hel rifle

but since they have more hp you need to hit occi at end fo finish

[timber shoal]

ah okie

[prime musk]

wait im stupid

it's choke mod

[lone elbow]

I used to run hel auto pistol and scattergun for a combo once

[prime musk]

you have 1x precision

no you just kill with 3 headshots regardless

[timber shoal]

see i remembered

im not completely stupid

[ocean spindle]

dodo big smart

[prime musk]

the tech i mentioned is required for hel rifle which is a different 30 dmg gun but it has bad precision

[undone raven]

my bad IM completely stupid

[timber shoal]

nah its fine

[undone raven]

scatter gun

[upper ginkgo]

yeah but i can click more

[undone raven]

you could click the short rifle way more

[upper ginkgo]

gotta pump up your clicks per second

[normal granite]

That is what i ran for my whole playthrough after R2

And i was host lol

[cedar heath]

Where should I aim to 2-shot kill mom with scattergun?

[timber shoal]

if you're not host, just get close and aim for tumors

if you're host its harder

[ripe hamlet]

its basically impossible to do it on host

[timber shoal]

actually i dont know the strat for maximizing damage on mom for host

[past mesa]

you need to not overdamage tumors

[timber shoal]

is it to aim for the most tumors possible to reduce your chances of putting too many pellets into an individual tumor

okie

[keen seal]

yur

[prime musk]

there is a correct angle to damagesplit the tumors correctly on host and get it in 2.
but i never really go for it i got for every tumor but bottom 2 with my 2 scatters sos that 2 sawed off finishes

[prime musk]

your goal is to with your first shot get close enough and aim such that every pellet hits the same tumor on mom
your 2nd shot has a lot of leeway if your first shot is correct

[proven kernel]

русскоговорящие тут есть?

[somber sundial]

Does anyone have room for 1 noobie?

[ocean spindle]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to join and share lobbies, the instructions on how to post are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
if you havent be sure to do the tutorial first [on the top left] and start on rundown 1/6 since they are the simplest/easiests ones

[cedar heath]

Tks for the advices. Can I also apply it to tank?

[prime musk]

same concept

on client you want to hit as few tumors as possible at as close range as possible, on host you want to damage split as many tumors as you can

[cedar heath]

got it. I'll try with Pablo next time xD

[hard nexus]

не

[subtle warren]

game crashed specifically at this map.

[keen seal]

did it crash when you opened map?

[subtle warren]

i think yeah

i did press tab and it instantly crashed

[keen seal]

yeah when you get audiobug opening the map bricks the game

[subtle warren]

💀

[ripe hamlet]

get spitter bug mod fix, called gluefix

[keen seal]

has happened to me on that same level

[uneven kiln]

R2D1 strikes again!!

[ripe hamlet]

or

as a toxic vet would say

[uneven kiln]

One of the most common audio bug levels

[ripe hamlet]

just play faster 4head

[uneven kiln]

It's due to the soundemitter not culling properly from spitters/generators/cocoons

there is absolutely nothing you can do in vanilla except hope you don't get it

crashes when you open the map bc audio is put through a filter

GlueFix is how you avoid it other than just playing fast, latter of which still isnt an ultimate guarantee

[grizzled patrol]

E2 vs 2D1. Place your bets on what Level is more fucked

[uneven kiln]

It's E2

[ripe hamlet]

which lvl is the buggiest one

[uneven kiln]

It's E2

[grizzled patrol]

A Winner is you

[ripe hamlet]

e2 hardest because buggiest confirmed?

smh my head

[civic wave]

last time i played r4d2 the entire lobby got spitter bug

thankfully i just said the thing and we made it out fine

don't open map or you could crash the game

[ripe hamlet]

how was the alarm

having no sound sucks so bad doing some particular alarms

[civic wave]

it was level end/cargo carry so like whatever

[ripe hamlet]

nice

[uneven kiln]

Glad it was at the very end

[grizzled patrol]

Now that i think about it, i also remember Run where everyone except for me Got it, but then i Got deafened at the end aswell

D2 Sounds barely Matter ngl

[uneven kiln]

helps for final alarm to know where waves are coming from if you have Bio, I suppose

[grizzled patrol]

It is a massive room, If you dont See black chargers in a White room then its a Skill issue

[uneven kiln]

What would be a mission where sound really matters

[prime musk]

any mission with crawlers ie all of them

[uneven kiln]

R5D1 calls to mind as an obvious choice

[winter breach]

Even with enemyanimation fix

[uneven kiln]

cant really afford to wake every single zone

[fathom ice]

all of em

just playing with no queue sounds is already bad

[ripe hamlet]

soundless gtfo% speedrun

[winter breach]

The worst mission of all of them is the tutorial

How are you gonna hear the robotic voice

[uneven kiln]

Wyvernking is the only person I know who has fully done GTFO soundless%

and they have to take things slow and always go bio

[ripe hamlet]

it has to be the entire team

[uneven kiln]

💀

[ripe hamlet]

you can just carry one person tbh

[prime musk]

reminder that every level in the game can be carried by 2 players in the lobby

[fathom ice]

reminder that every level in the game 2 players in the lobby

[civic wave]

wyvern still has some powers of hearing afaik, but might forgo the setup to just play

[subtle warren]

also am i tripping or the fog in this lvl lowering? Oh cuz of hte battery in the gen?

[indigo lion]

yes

every cell inserted lowers the fog

opening new areas for exploring

[mystic rock]

r8e1 but they don't have movement keys

[prime musk]

jade any level if the people you're carrying don't have movement keys can't be carried

[mystic rock]

curious

the message said that any level with 2 people can be carried

[prime musk]

buh

[grizzled patrol]

4 man GTFO but two of the Players cant move and have to be pushed around by meleefriendlyfire

Would Love to See someone doing that

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[keen seal]

somebody cooked here...

[mystic rock]

another andocas mention

my baby got too much clout

[ocean spindle]

ando gaming

[tardy ingot]

R3A2 if you get the players moved through giant swings

[frail heart]

when is andodown

[tardy ingot]

thats… one hell of a clear

[flat river]

What are best weapons for bot?

[frail heart]

Hel revolver and burst cannon

[tardy ingot]

burst rifle/hel revo
Burst cannon (for killing power)/veruta mg (for not running out of ammo while you kill)

[prime musk]

this opens up a lot of levels actually

exceptions being like
r3a3 (unless you can roll a promotion?)

[tardy ingot]

many levels without giants in spawn zone no?

[prime musk]

yeah but something like r1a1 you can pull alarm to get one

[tardy ingot]

you can only do like R1C2 and D1 in R1

[prime musk]

and something like 2d2 you have hybrids

[tardy ingot]

Oh true

[prime musk]

r1c1 is fully impossible though

unless you can like
shove a striker into a player and then the soft collision pushes them apart ie moves the player a bit?

[tardy ingot]

No it actually is!

if we allow disconnecting

So many levels are mega fucked though damn

R1A1 and moving a guy to the team scan through giant melee while perm alarm…

Oh boi

R3A2 is def doable though

Anything that is as easy?

[tardy ingot]

Dont think soft collision moves players

Shooter/striker hits might do minor movement though maybe

[prime musk]

3d1 has a lot of teamscans but also a lot of meds and giants
ig moving to final blood door teamscan might be problematic

[tardy ingot]

Moving teamscans also are FUCKED

I think even r3a2 is fucked

Leave 1 giant

Get to teamscan

by chain reviving over and over with kiting inbetween

then move them to gen cluster with that giant

then level is done

R2B1 seems doable

The teamscan is annoying though

but you get giants/hybrids and only 1 teamscan

[prime musk]

r2c1? a lot of teamscans but you get a lot of giants in rooms that you can pull 1 by 1

and you can deactivate the 2 alarms with the uplinks as well

so the moving teamscan on the one doesn't matter

and the rest of teamscans are static position which is pretty good

[tardy ingot]

Might be impossible based on which uplink you get xD

[terse stratus]

Is there a possibility to get a performance patch?

[tardy ingot]

its unlikely we will get a patch for that

[prime musk]

yeee but it's like
otherwise pretty doable i think

[tardy ingot]

If you are having performance issues there is a few things that can help though

(Aswell as a mod)

[terse stratus]

Please show me the way

[tardy ingot]

Im actually not quite versed on that

@uneven kiln or @tiny wyvern are more likely to help (and also likely actually have time. Im with my grandma rn xD)

[terse stratus]

My game usually runs at 90-110 fps but FOR SOME REASON every time an alarm starts it goes down to 50-60 and it keeps itself there until the waves finish

[terse stratus]

Awwww enjoy your gramma time 😋

[prime musk]

actually @tardy ingot
isn't it the case that you don't take kb from the giant punch unless you survive it

like if you get downed by it you don't get knockbacked

that might pose some issues

[tardy ingot]

force pub to take regen cap

(Unsure if theres no knock back or reduced)

or any change at all

I rarely check that in moments it happens xD

[prime musk]

regen cap does solve that issue if it is the case
like i think it's the case but i just don't really pay attention to the exact down position when someone downs to a giant punch

[frail heart]

https://youtu.be/tCTLBKtvA4g?si=10pHp-YNFnF1UKCB

this literally raised my fps by like 30

[elfin echo]

Any suggestions on which rundown would be easiest for the In The Shadows achievement?

[normal granite]

R1B1 is long and slow, but pretty safe

R2B1 is short and fast, but notably harder (it has a class 7 alarm)

[elfin echo]

Rog. How about the bio tracker one?

[normal granite]

R2B1 for bio tracker

[elfin echo]

Sweet. Thanks

[ocean spindle]

kinda dark tho

r2b1 is well notably harder is big words- but well lit mostly

[sudden nexus]

r2b1

most of the rooms are well lit

and theres very little stealth

[normal granite]

Just not sure of their skill level

[flat river]

What specials would you suggest? When main is Sawed-off Shotgun

[mystic rock]

HAR most underrated special

[upper ginkgo]

it's time to slot in the revo

[flat river]

I didn't really like HEL Rifle and Scattergun from what was suggested to change Precision Rifle to

But on R2E1 Prec is not usable after error alarm

too close range fights

not even mid range

[upper ginkgo]

revolver is like your precision rifle sidegrade (or upgrade) if you wanna commit to your playstyle

[flat river]

I like shotguns too, but I doubt that Sawed-off + shotgun is good idea

[safe cradle]

shotgun's pretty solid

[upper ginkgo]

this game is pretty heavily cqc so it's not actually the worst idea

[safe cradle]

can kill cscouts, is decent against chargers and can very reliably onetap strikers

[upper ginkgo]

like sawed off + combat shotgun for r2e1 is just a good loadout

[safe cradle]

Combat shotty is perhaps better meta-wise because lel 22 shells per ammo refill

and you can onetap strikers reliably if you're host (I meant client) and hit your shots well enough (I cant but my aim ain't good)

[ripe hamlet]

sawed off scatter is actually the combo for r2e1

[ripe hamlet]

you mean client?

its easier to onetap as client than host

im not sure if you can even onetap as host tbh

[safe cradle]

yeah

it's hard but you can

[sturdy glen]

you can

hel shotgun is the one that cant

[safe cradle]

I think it's some fuckery about enough pellets hitting head or all pellets hitting the enemy or something like that

[ripe hamlet]

ic

[safe cradle]

One an unrelated note: is there a scientific way to 7-mine a tank?

[upper ginkgo]

pray to the science god

[safe cradle]

I swear I've tried replicating what I see working and fucking it up

[sturdy glen]

pretty much no

in theory yes but like

practically its never gonna work

[safe cradle]

is it one of those things that is easier as client?

or host or whatever

[sturdy glen]

no

[safe cradle]

it's just rng to what posture he has when mines go boom?

[sturdy glen]

short answer yes

[safe cradle]

thanks

[sturdy glen]

the only way to make it consistent is by having the entire mine capsule hitbox only hit tumors without hitting any armor

[safe cradle]

jeez

[sturdy glen]

so like

in theory you could set it up but getting tank to behave consistently is impossible

[safe cradle]

I see, thanks

[coral dune]

can burst canon burst a scout without waking it up?

[timber shoal]

yes

i believe you only need to hit two bullets out of the burst for it to be a kill as long as you’re not too far away

[minor fractal]

Ngl, host one-tap on CS is easier

but it might depend on ping

If you are very low ping client might have it easier

High ping, being in effective range is not very consistent

[ebon galleon]

The only time I have some-what consistently 7 mined a tank is the last one in R4E1

[tardy ingot]

You can get it 100% consistent as a solo appearantly (no bots)

(Or close enough)

but its inconsistent with multiple people

[burnt inlet]

wouldnt doubt it

[ebon galleon]

All the times I have done it was with a 4

[ocean spindle]

ive never mined a tank

[ebon galleon]

It's never really necessary imo but I like doing it in R4 because its funny

[past mesa]

You just need to maintain the sprint animation through mines with an angle such that the mines will hit a tumour first

It is very consistent assuming you can get those conditions

[icy smelt]

Is it possible to run any missions solo? I just started

[past mesa]

Almost everything is possible

good luck

[prime musk]

every mission is possible solo (no bots) and realistically doable solo (with bots)
but it is not advised to go further than r1 and some early levels in other rundowns with bots as a beginner, and true solo is off the table if you are a beginner

[icy smelt]

RIP i was just trying R1 true solo for like an hour or more

[burnt inlet]

😭

[prime musk]

as long as you are having fun running true solos is completely fine

[burnt inlet]

R6A1 is prolly easier if you want to solo a level

[prime musk]

just know that it is
very hard

as im sure you can tell

[icy smelt]

definetly, any meta loadouts for solo?

[prime musk]

sawed off + hel rifle + relevant tool (level dependent)

usually sentry, sometimes mines, rarely foam, almost never bio

[burnt inlet]

this but also hel gun is up there if its a like level that doesnt have that many giants

[prime musk]

hel gun is just harder to use for no real reward

but if your aim is good it has very real advantages

[burnt inlet]

theoretically more kills per mag no?

and more efficient into smalls iirc

[prime musk]

i mean

those stats rely on hitting headshot pen

which you just

don't hit

consistently

[burnt inlet]

(doesnt matter cuz ur already more efficient as a solo)

[burnt inlet]

i mean if you funnel well you can hit them relatively consistently for some levels

eh ig its enviromental

[prime musk]

listen the main issue with hel gun in vanilla

is that hitting the pen doesn't really give you any value most of the time

because you still have to shoot the enemy again

[burnt inlet]

eh ye ig

[prime musk]

in hard modded content this is a lot lesser of an issue because hitting a pen on a charger or nightmare is genuinely strong value since you need to hit bodyshot on them anyways

so your mixed waves, hitting headshot on a striker into penning chargers and nightmares is just really strong

[icy smelt]

I just tried mines behind all the doors with an assault rifle and machine gun on A1 but i never had a big enough mag before I died on the first security scan💀

[prime musk]

for your information

ar and mg are considered bottom tier guns

like

bottom 1 tier guns

ie worst guns in the game

so pick anything else and you'll have a better chance

[icy smelt]

thanks I was just going for as many bullets as i could get before reloading

[minor fractal]

You want burst damage more than anything.

[prime musk]

^

[icy smelt]

back into the depths I go o7

thanks for the intel

[past mesa]

Closing doors sometimes is bad btw

Closing doors with mines is okay but it will group enemies up

And it means you don’t get to use that door later

[calm pulsar]

Just shoot the enemies when that happens

[icy smelt]

Heard, yeah the plan was to blow as many as possible

[icy smelt]

Too many😭

[calm pulsar]

Hmmm

Have you tried shooting more

[grizzled patrol]

True solo beginner?

Based

[icy smelt]

Thats me😎

[subtle warren]

joever. I crashed

[ripe hamlet]

chat

putting two sniper sentries together so that they lock onto giant at the same time and double-hit the head to insta kill it

is this tech

wait im dumb

[civic wave]

giant gets 2 shot anyway

just about

[ripe hamlet]

sniper sentry already two shot giant

i thought it got 40 dmg not 48.1

[keen seal]

wait it's tech

[flat river]

Is it a bug that boxes without any items still marked as orange on map? sometimes they are grayed, but most of the time they are orange

[thick stump]

they might be glowsticks or other stuff in it but if they are completely empty, then it must be a bug

[frail heart]

yeah its not super consistent with it

i wouldnt rely on it

[ripe hamlet]

its a bug