gtfo-related-questions

[safe cradle]

And I'm by NO MEANS good at aiming

[frail heart]

i think its very debatable

[safe cradle]

you can think that

But I've been with a 3-premade that were good at fpses and I just feel the difference a lot

Of course if you have both it's better

[frail heart]

Do you mean technical knowledge as in like how AI acts and other stuff or including level knowledge?

[safe cradle]

no, not level knowledge

but you need like 1 guy to know the level decently enough not all 4 usually

I meant yeah intricacies with AI and how it works and whatnot

[frail heart]

Hmm I probably still think technical knowledge carries more

[ripe hamlet]

i dont think you need that much aim when playing quad

its pretty underwhelming most of the time

technical knowledge is much more impactful

there are very few instances where i feel you have to game it out with skillz

[uneven kiln]

I can make it every instance by using this really cool command called START VENTILATION_OVERRIDE.EXE

[ripe hamlet]

is there a command for hybrid error

[fathom ice]

yes it's called drop in r6c2 BLIND

and pick up the CARGO in the SECONDARY

yw

or ALTERNATIVELY

[ripe hamlet]

r6c2 hybrid error is so peak

[fathom ice]

drop in r5 E1

[ripe hamlet]

we need more hybrid error

[uneven kiln]

@fathom ice have you told zed about ventilation override for R7B3 btw

it actually makes the fog LESS dense and improves your visibility

[ripe hamlet]

we need max infect + nightmare baby alarm

[uneven kiln]

wait about 15s after HSU scan then run the command

fog has to rise to the fog ceiling (just about the level of the terminal in the HSU zone)

[ripe hamlet]

is this the only time ventilation override helps youi

[uneven kiln]

doesn't waste time because you have a heavy object to carry in PE too

it is the primary example because the fog ceiling in the level is so low and the density is very high

[frail heart]

wait this is fire for solo

[uneven kiln]

it's really funny that it works this way

vanilla density

ventilation override density

[fathom ice]

it's not visibility problem really

it's max infect

[uneven kiln]

yeah the max infect is still a thing without a turbine at least (in the screenshots I took them after flying in before infection takes hold)

[frail heart]

its free visibility

[little pilot]

max infect comes both ways

and max infect doesn't really matter when u have about 2min max left of gameplay

[fathom ice]

well

it's not two minutes for solo so

[civic wave]

shoutout to the r4e1 ventilation override theorycraft that was very clearly going nowhere

[frail heart]

that was a thing? 😭

[civic wave]

hang on let me try find it

#1039958024263057419 message

[frail heart]

damn i was in that convo

[tiny wyvern]

why can't I see the messages
Are they like in the old speedrun chat or smth

[civic wave]

they are in the speedrun info server

[neon gust]

Is this gtfo related question

If so

Can I ask a gtfo related question

[burnt inlet]

NO !!!!! (yes you can :3)

[neon gust]

Cool cool

[final terrace]

they say, not asking a gtfo related question

[silent creek]

Turret scumming my beloved

[lone elbow]

im sorry what did u do here?

[uneven kiln]

START VENTILATION_OVERRIDE.EXE as host

[mossy aurora]

do you think that good aim can cover more for not great decision making/map knowledge more than good game knowledge can cover for not great aim?

i think clear rates on any difficult map would be higher with players that have better game sense/knowledge than just cracked aim

[tardy ingot]

Game knowledge > aim

[little pilot]

ye just look at me

[tardy ingot]

If you look at extremes, at some point theres 0 aim and just shooting in the same spot enemies run into

But if you have no clue about any gameplay related thing you kinda just… cant do much

[little pilot]

someone bring up a clip of some big r6s streamer playing gtfo and dieing despite hitting head everytime

r8a1 btw

[tardy ingot]

Honestly a goated example would be cheaters

god mode + insta kill

Yet they actually sometimes dont finish levels cuz they have 0 understanding of what to do

[ripe hamlet]

the humble e2 kraken spawncap

[hard nexus]

speaking of cheaters bad aim is also death

seen peeps drop in with infinite ammo and get wiped instantly

[subtle warren]

Do yall place mines like on the ground? Or on the side of the wall?

Like i find placing mines on the ground have this neat trick where enemies might miss it and a more denser horde are more likely to step on it.

[timber shoal]

in doorways mostly

along the wall

when enemies break the door they get killed instantly

and they clump nicely

[subtle warren]

that and walls.

[digital mural]

Never place mines randomly in the ground or walls, it's a waste.

Place them on doorways as dodo says

[subtle warren]

yeah but what if there's no doors?

[timber shoal]

prolly dont need mines too much then

just place a sentry

[upbeat flame]

Probably just shoot then

[digital mural]

If there's giants maybe place them on giant height if not then save them

[subtle warren]

also do Mines really not trigger a room? Like i heard someone said you can use mines to take out scouts

[timber shoal]

uhhhh

would not rely on that

but mines have a 20 meter noise radius inside the room they detonate in

which is better than shooting obvs

50m by comparison

any situation where you're blowing up a scout is one where you could melee it though imo

[keen seal]

goofy ahh strat

[upper ginkgo]

most effective cscout kill

[timber shoal]

cscout kill without cfoam, guns or two people meleeing is the only case where i see this being even remotely useful

[frail heart]

cscout without anything ahh scenario

[timber shoal]

so very very useful

[timber shoal]

get me a cscout kill with nothin

[upper ginkgo]

there's probably a situation in modded where this is relevant

like a level where you don't take cfoam (cause who uses cfoam) and you have like two people in a stealth section

and they both have knives

[frail heart]

samdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[upper ginkgo]

and they're ammo starved

[keen seal]

all hail sniper sentry

[upper ginkgo]

oh the sniper sentry kill is kinda fire

silent shot with the sniper sentry

[keen seal]

I meant it more as you prob won't have mines anyway cuz you usually just wanna run 2 sentries

[prime musk]

this is where the 1500 ping player that can stab the scout 3 times before it triggers comes in

[keen seal]

go for the limb break gronk

[upper ginkgo]

cscout kill with stuck bug would also be kinda banger

[frail heart]

wait thats fire

[burnt inlet]

Hit level starvation?

[upper ginkgo]

buh

[burnt inlet]

R5C3

Starvation

[upper ginkgo]

awugh

[hardy grotto]

Gonna pay my cat to fiddle with my Ethernet cable so I can knife the scout

[bronze halo]

does anybody know if gtfo merch wil return anytime soon?

[frail heart]

dont think so

[burnt inlet]

Probably not

I blame frosty grrrrr he bankrupted 10c grrrrrrrrr

[frail heart]

true

i stole all the merch

[civic furnace]

what ...

[civic wave]

they didn't have to bring the speedrunners out...

[frail heart]

what is that

[burnt inlet]

They got two birds with one stone

[civic wave]

10chambers will only grow from here...

[frail heart]

ur just jelly i got to meet docred

[civic wave]

did you close the door on him

locking him out

[frail heart]

hes genuinely nice in person

which like, im not surprised

all the devs are pretty goated

rip vlad tho

you will be missed

[burnt inlet]

Those ive meet/played with been nice (hi kobb)

[frail heart]

ulf scares me a bit

[tiny wyvern]

(honestly after the streamathon I don't know what to think about the devs playing this game)

(...Well, former devs I guess, I still think of them as the devs

Is that bad?)

[frail heart]

wdym former devs

we dont even know which ones are gone

apart from like docred and vlad

[tiny wyvern]

I don't know anymore
I really should go eat lunch

[runic roost]

Make a list of which dev can actually play the game

[civic wave]

guy named dev who's actually pretty good at the game:

[burnt inlet]

Calle is decent afaik

[bronze halo]

damn will it return in the future? or never again

[burnt inlet]

I wouldn’t count on it

[bronze halo]

damn

https://tenor.com/view/sad-mario-phone-check-walk-gif-15818126186478764678

[frail heart]

i will sell you one of my caps for $100

[safe cradle]

For the lack of a better term, I think that the ceiling on one is much lower than the ceiling on the other, and thus the difference is a lot more prominent, of course looking just at the extremes gives a rather skewed perspective. But getting the "basis" right of not waking every room up isn't exactly hard either and can be learned to a decent degree pretty easily.

There have been plenty players with 400 hours range that knew what to and what not to do with a decent enough degree.

Take as a counter example, for how much dumb it is, betterbots with aimbot, true, NO PLAYER will ever cap a striker in super-low visibility from half the map, but you can wake pretty much every room up, dont shoot, and the trio of the bots basically clear the level for you.

Also, plenty of levels that have the team splitting, for example some reactors, turn one side into basically little more than a tower defense where you're the tower.

[frail heart]

The limit for aim is 100% accuracy where the limit for knowledge is how much the game actually has to offer, so aim is always going to have a magnitudes higher ceiling than knowledge

[safe cradle]

It's anedoctal but I've been pugging for a long time with randos for the most part, and I can really FEEL the difference when I'm a team and anyone pulls their weight ONLY in terms of damage.

[safe cradle]

yeah but part of my argument is that reaching the "decent enough" level of game knowledge is something that quickly gives more diminishing returns compared to "aim better"

[frail heart]

Yeah thats because aim has a much higher ceiling. Its WAY easier to have very very good knowledge in the game rather than aim

Your aim can always improve

[mossy aurora]

idk i still feel like the impact of aim caps out too

and stuff like movement and not taking damage is way more important when your mistakes are not able to be covered by your team as much depending on how the map objectives are set up

even the cracked solo players are basically movement carried imo in addition to having really good aim

[frail heart]

ya

[safe cradle]

I wouldn't really put solo in the equation tbh...

For more than one reason

[frail heart]

The point is the movement impacts the run more than the aim

Which is true

If you know how to dodge licks, you can take your time with your shots and you will have much more success than someone who just stands in one spot

[safe cradle]

nah, this goes beyond just taking your time with your shots

[frail heart]

what

[safe cradle]

And dodging AND aiming is part of aiming very well

[frail heart]

If your aim is good, you dont need to take as much time with your shots. If your movement is good, you can help the fact that your aim isnt very good by taking your time a lot more

[safe cradle]

I get what you say for games like Apex that (at least when I played it) had movement as a real part of your skill to win

[mossy aurora]

solo play is obviously different than team play, but failure points in maps will either be stealth related or combat related where essentially players are potentially forced to fight their own "solo" engagements with mobs when team is getting overrun

[safe cradle]

But in GTFO? I dont really see that

[safe cradle]

but then you take more time to deal damage

[frail heart]

Movement and positioning is SUCH a massive skill to have in gtfo

[safe cradle]

There aren't scenarios realistically where you can take all the time you want to line shoots up

[frail heart]

I am talking about 0.5 seconds vs like 2 seconds

Getting pen value is ALL about positioning

like 90% positioning 10% aim

[safe cradle]

Hurray for HEL Rifle and to a much less degree HEL Rev

[safe cradle]

eh... for HEL Rifle since you dont gotta hit the head on basically anything

HEL Gun really benefits from being able to pop heads consistently and from my limited understanding because my aim is kinda bad, HEL Rev wants head+body consistently

[mossy aurora]

i guess a better question is how much of "a player carrying their weight in damage" is due to raw aim vs their ability to position properly and have good movement?

enemies run at you in a straight line if you position well

and they have predictable animations

[frail heart]

If your positioning is shit your "good" aim is going to suffer from it

[safe cradle]

This is a mischevious point because I know the animations of a striker crawler getting hit by memory yet I can miss it anyway especially if I try to go for head

[safe cradle]

IMHO this kinda goes back to the "extremes" department...

[frail heart]

Not really?

Like if we are talking about aim then I would be on the extreme end for this game

[safe cradle]

🧐 as in good I guess

[frail heart]

But, if i didnt have skills like positioning, target prioritisation, movement, etc i would just be way worse

[safe cradle]

yeah well, sure you'd be way worse without those

but how I can put it into words

I think that those being good enough are, well, good enough, and you can learn them (to be good enough) without a fuckload of effort, while aiming carries you more at that point

[frail heart]

As someone who is at that point, i just disagree

[mossy aurora]

Yeah I think it's the opposite

[safe cradle]

That's okay

[mossy aurora]

Aim gets good enough then movement/knowledge becomes way more impactful

[frail heart]

ya

[mossy aurora]

It could also just be that there is so much more room to improve for a player starting the game in that regard than raw aim

[subtle warren]

Okay, R2 difficulty risen is so weird

like other R2 runs seems perfectly normal and all the suddenly R2C2 hit the fan.

How do i like make it through this? The bots for some reason do not want to pick up objectives.

[ocean spindle]

weird i see more people strugglin on c1

[frail heart]

yeah r2c2 is where the difficulty kinda spikes and then it just keeps getting harder

[ocean spindle]

oh yeah bots dont like alarms and objects, carry cell first then fog turbine

u onky need the turbine for one zone maybe 2

[frail heart]

The bots will never pick up heavy carries in that level because of the constant error alarm

[subtle warren]

also wtf is wrong with the bots, i saw two spawn in from the distant, the bots saw it, shoots and misses and then switches to melee.

[frail heart]

if you know the zone i wouldnt even carry the turbine

just tank the infection and then you disinfect literally 1 zone later

[ocean spindle]

bots shoot on lineof sight

thats why longer range bodyshor guns tend to be good for them

[tardy ingot]

Alex was better than a majority of pubs when locked in

Regarding the knowledge vs aim convo

As someone whos easily in the highest knowledge tier (that people actually have) theres not a lot of levels where I even need to have aim do much with correct plans.

Aim also stops being as relevant when you get to the actually threatening things like bosses where knowledge has a far bigger impact

[civic wave]

knowledge has stopped being a limiting factor, so all my focus on the topic turns to "if i had better aim i could stand ground harder and destabilise less"

[ripe hamlet]

just have perfect aim

become betterbots

[grizzled patrol]

I would say its a Balance of both. Having brains but Not being able to execute and having absolute aimbot but cimball monkey for brain are both traits that will lead to a fail.

And thats fine, it is a Coop Game. Just Offset eachothers weakness

[runic roost]

Open it

[runic roost]

Does decision making fall into the knowledge part

Cuz theres people that can aim and they know the game well

[frail heart]

Your decision making is based on your knowledge

[runic roost]

But my god their stupid

Ykwim

[runic roost]

So many instances where they dont feel the same at all with some people

Feels like it needs to be a separate measurement sometimes

[tardy ingot]

You can do the wrong decision by being stressed out etc

even though you know better

But you cant make good decisions with poor knowledge rly

[runic roost]

Yeah lets make another skill gap cat

“Keeping da cool”

[grizzled patrol]

Just get lucky

[normal granite]

In R8B4, is going back to the start of the level to turn off the fog intended? Or did they just forget to make it a single use command

[tardy ingot]

No

[normal granite]

So they just forgot?

Pretty neat optional tho

[prime musk]

similar to the deactivate at starting term in 5e1 it\s like
a missed thing because they just copied over some stuff from elsewhere that did the same thing but did not erase specific data related to deactivation

[grizzled patrol]

I remember During the Dev Interview commenting on the R7D1 funny room scan terminal, how the Game Code is very limiting in what you Could do with that, so Most of the time it was developing while building everything on crutches

I would assume it is the Same Here because devs couldnt Figure Out how to do it otherwise

[sturdy glen]

I would just like to say decision making is almost always the problem in the high skill end of players for this game

[silent creek]

Are we aware of if anyone has or if it's even possible to solo?Reactors for the bit

[timber shoal]

every level is soloable

so very possible

[burnt inlet]

Only levels that haven’t been solod without glitches is r7e1 and R6CX

I’ve solod 2 reactors if that’s what you’re asking

[timber shoal]

solo e2 and get your third

[burnt inlet]

Solo deeze nutz

[timber shoal]

i could

i need to get back on the solo r2d2 grind

[prime musk]

worth noting that

r7e1 reactor has been solod without glitches

just not in a real run

like r7e1 glitchless with boosters is very close to free

without boosters it\s extremely tight unfortunately

[burnt inlet]

You mean like every part has been solod glitchless but like not in one whole run?

[prime musk]

yes

[burnt inlet]

Zed when’s the next solo upload

R7E1 needs to be conquered

[prime musk]

the 3 remaining levels (r4e1 r6cx r7e1) all have fully glitchless no boosters strats labbed out

and have been done segmented

someone just needs to get to it

[burnt inlet]

R4E1 hasn’t been solod?

Oh yea didn’t they kite or smth

[prime musk]

??

r4e1 solo rn is
no kiting glitchless
but
boosters and set seed

[burnt inlet]

Well I say kite

Aight

Ye

Mb

Im high

Bleh

[prime musk]

i have strats labbed for no boosters no set seed

same for 7e1

probably going to end up doing 7e1 before 4e1 just because the grind is so much shorter and easier

the level is just not that hard in a lot of ways compared to 4e1

it also helps that 4e1 would be 4+ hours and 7e1 would be max 2 hours

[burnt inlet]

😭

[prime musk]

2 hours is a reasonable clear time for solo

4 hours is pretty bad

[burnt inlet]

I’d kms if I was 4+ hours in a level solo

[prime musk]

also 4 hours is like
a very generous estimate of reactor only taking 2 hours

[burnt inlet]

”Only”

😭

Isn’t there some part with like giga shadows?

[prime musk]

yeah after the reactor you're killing 2 zones of shadows doing a class 6 double double boss fight and then extracting

correct

[burnt inlet]

If it was mid reactor would you just kite shadows?

Like there being a ton of shadows

[prime musk]

reactor strats do involve kiting shadows

[burnt inlet]

Ye I did think it’s prolly easiest

[fathom ice]

pub

dms

[prime musk]

sky like shut up

im talking to a pub

[fathom ice]

pubpubpubpub

yes i'm a pub

[prime musk]

pub

[fathom ice]

pub

[hardy grotto]

i remember seeing a like 6 hour solo by tnenpi for og r5e1 i think it was

suffering man

[fathom ice]

it was a LOT a lot of giant kiting afaik

[hardy grotto]

yeah i never watched it

[fathom ice]

but yeah that shit is so long

props to them ig

[hardy grotto]

my eyes will not be glued to the screen for 6 hours watching all that

[fathom ice]

ye

[burnt inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-pub-nick-frost-simon-pegg-locker-room-gif-12131870938482682695

[prime musk]

hinokis alt r5e1 is 7 hours

guven it was releass altr5 so different guns and stuff

[tardy ingot]

tbf r6cx rn iirc might just be "glitched" according to the general perception (due to pathing) but its rly not smth you can avoid unless you use a mod to fix it or intentionally kite into the enemies inbetween every code or some shit

[prime musk]

i have a strat for cx uplinks that doesn't rely on enemies getting stuck

[tardy ingot]

less rely and more "game be stupid"

[prime musk]

but personally i don

't think the enemies getting stuck is actually like
glitched

pathing as fast as possible between the uplinks is your job

[tardy ingot]

technically R6CX runs (without boosters) would just get accepted most likely since its a pathfinding issue for a perfectly normal spot

[prime musk]

the enemies failing to path to you is their problem

[tardy ingot]

ya, hence the difference between speedrun glitched and "no glitches used at all" in a more general perspective

Its also why R8C1 has the fucked navmesh and its

like wtf are the player ssupposed to do when the game cant do its shit at all

[prime musk]

from a speedrun perspective, 8c1 with no allowed stuck enemies is just fucked

like

"oh we can't do teamscan because we have to backtrack and kill 12900912912012 stuck enemies"

[tardy ingot]

imagine if you had to force full stealth for the first 4-5 rooms (and avoid opening doors) lol

[prime musk]

more like

you're full sprinting and resetting if you get a room wake

which is just abysmal

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/accept-tf2-call-solder-mge-gif-15493589622082641537

[silent creek]

WAO

W

neat

[burnt inlet]

No they’re like

Baby reactors

[silent creek]

One does not have to be Herculean in strength to impress

It is neat that you have done it irrelevant of difficulty

:3

Using exclusively revolvers has forced me to learn how to aim so much better

Lmao

[burnt inlet]

Well I think R5C2 with 3 bots was harder than R3A3/R1C1 solo ngl

[burnt inlet]

Ye happens

[burnt inlet]

Even combined I think R5C2 still outclasses

R2D2 with bots also way harder

Other than that I haven’t done that many reactors with bots or solo that are noteworthy

[pseudo glacier]

@timid flax what's your opinion on a tank

[ocean spindle]

p based

[normal granite]

PE or main?

[ripe hamlet]

R4d1 with bots

[burnt inlet]

PE

[burnt inlet]

Also harder than R1C1 and R3A3 combined

[normal granite]

R1C1 kinda easy ngl

just a big difficulty jump and skill check over R1B2

[burnt inlet]

Ye

[stable cove]

would hel guns be good for rundown 2?

[thick stump]

hel guns are good almost everywhere

I am not sure if there is a scenario where it isn't good

[ripe hamlet]

a bunch of bigs and bosses

[ocean spindle]

r1c1? easy? nahhhhh wdymmmm

how could r1 be easy

[ocean spindle]

hel rifle is p fire with lots of bigs lined up tho

[ripe hamlet]

hel rifle would be

but hel gun would not

[burnt inlet]

Still efficient

[ocean spindle]

so, the hel weapon

is in fact

still good

[ripe hamlet]

real and true

"just hit the pen" brutal 🥀

[silent creek]

Which of the bots do you think would be best at playing go/Weiqi

And\nDoes bishop eat chess pieces when his opponent isn't looking

[prime ore]

Hackett talks like your average gamer

[silent creek]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1457227806567043194/1471338403827154968/makesweet-obxsce.gif

Irish boy my beloved

[fair halo]

Anyone having trouble with GTFO rn. like I cant open it rn cuz steam cloud is doing weird stuff

[prime ore]

Steam is dying rn

So nobody can play

Kicked us out in the middle of a good run too

[fair halo]

ye same here

and now we cant even host a game or start the game

[prime ore]

Better luck next time I guess

Steam hates gtfo players cuz this only happened to me while playing gtfo

[hoary mason]

Bro it's happening to everybody lmao

p2p games just take a hit because of that

[stable cove]

can you ping zone doors?

[burnt inlet]

Yes

You can ping

Any door

(That you can open/interact with)

[prime musk]

normal doors are
DOOR_xxx
sec doors are SECURITY_DOOR_xxx

[normal granite]

Are triangle doors any different or nah?

[burnt inlet]

apex doors?

[normal granite]

Ya

Didnt say apex because on the map, other doors can have the apex label

[ocean spindle]

can they

[normal granite]

Yeah because i remember my first time playing R1A1 and the map saying apex

So for a while, me and my friend called alarm doors, apex doors

[ocean spindle]

oh for alarms

[final terrace]

no

[ocean spindle]

goober behavior /lh

[final terrace]

they just look different

they usually use them on like, milestones for the level

leading into a reactor for example

[normal granite]

In vanilla, are there any small apex doors?

[ocean spindle]

r2e1

das he only one

[normal granite]

Damn

So underutilised

Used even less than cluster sustain

[timber shoal]

small apex door my beloved 🥹

[undone raven]

my scatter is not killing giants even when all pellets connecting

heeelp

guys why are my scatters not killign the giants

[upper ginkgo]

are you pointing your scatter in the right direction

[ebon light]

are you sure?

[upbeat flame]

perhaps the giants didn't consent to dying?

[prime musk]

if you're running like
deadbodyfix

it fucks with it

[undone raven]

ohhhhh

[prime musk]

and you miss a bunch of oneshots

[civic wave]

bug fix users stay losing

but anyway dead body fix isn't really a fix

[undone raven]

came with qol modpack i didnt know

[burnt inlet]

Me when I give burst canon 3 pen

[frail heart]

i hope cconsole was also in it

[normal granite]

Well shit

Good to know

[uneven kiln]

How about small flat bulkheads that are blood doors

[normal granite]

are there even any of those that exist?

[uneven kiln]

R7B2 Main Bulkhead

[ocean spindle]

inmean that lvl introduced flat bulkheads so they cohld make blood doors lol

[burnt inlet]

Also R3C2 secondary bulkhead door

[keen seal]

small apex blood door

[normal granite]

Bruh the what now?

[burnt inlet]

Ye R3C2 sec bulkhead door

[normal granite]

R3C2 speedrun when moth

[burnt inlet]

Level sucks ass

Rather do R5D3

[normal granite]

Nah we should do R3E1 sometime

[burnt inlet]

True

[ripe hamlet]

R3e1 and r6e1 when

What’s the guy who made r1e1 doing

[keen seal]

hop on project eternal

need to play contagion

[ripe hamlet]

good luck

cant play pub

[finite cobalt]

aaaaaaaaa i came back to playing gtfo after a long time and now it wont launch, im on arch, it used to work with proton hotfix now it doesnt, i tried reinstalling the game, using proton experimental and thats about it, it just wont launch, it says launching and it does launch for a brief moment but it just quits, and i cant find logs to debug this, any one? help?

even on steamdeck what proton version are you guys using?

[ripe hamlet]

take it to #1049599987878723635

there are probably some threads about that issue

or make a new one tbh

[finite cobalt]

yea, i opened that issue once already long ago when i had the same problem

asking here since not that many check there and i found my own answer way before anyone else answered, not calling it slow response, basically have 2 or at most 3 hours a week to play some games and i rather not spend it all waiting when its smth a normal user can answer too

welp found the fix, proton 9.0-4 currently

gonna go update my thread on that

lets go be horrible at the game

[unborn glen]

in r2e1, the room you scan for the surge alarm to get into zone 605 is completely fogged over- but i swear to god i've seen the same tile unfogged in another level and i cannot for the life of me remember which one- if anyone knows a level that has that tile unfogged so i can teach my team how to pathfind there i'd be so grateful

[prime musk]

r2d1 z609A

[unborn glen]

THANK YOU

[prime musk]

also in r5a3 z40D

[unborn glen]

tysm 😭 that will make life so much easier

[prime musk]

ye it's a bit more accessible

it's probably somewhere else as well, places im unsure of the variant of that tile being present is r4c2 ovl and r4a3 sec

[unborn glen]

tyty

[main peak]

whats actuall good guns for the normal enemies like the small dudes spiky guys and big gaints

[ripe hamlet]

hel gun very good for both small guys

hel rifle is less efficient but also does well with giants

for easier options but worse performance you can take high calibre pistol thats good into most things or specialise with shotgun and combat shotgun

[main peak]

ty

[subtle warren]

Is it canonically that the group actually managed to finish all run downs?

Or only out of 22 possible branches of timelines?

[frail heart]

hel rifle

[burnt inlet]

Sawed off is good into all of those

[keen seal]

sniper and bullpup rifle

[uneven kiln]

Yes. All sectors/Prisoner Efficiency, all missions, all successful, and everybody always extracts.

||Exceptions are R8A2 and possibly R8B4 ||

[subtle warren]

Maybe we're just scrubs and they're actually very proficient at this

[uneven kiln]

Canonically we’re effectively the A-Team of The Complex

[normal granite]

R8B4 sec canon

[uneven kiln]

There is unique dialogue if you do or don't do it and there is no confirmation either which way, there is precedent for both

[normal granite]

well the reactor is going into meltdown in later missions

so doesnt that mean we went for the meltdown?

which is sec

[uneven kiln]

yes, it goes into meltdown but WHO does it isn't clear

[ripe hamlet]

the og team is goated

so ofc its them who did it

schaeffer could never

if the og can first try r7d2 and e2 they can do the meltdown

[frail heart]

fuck yeah

[uneven kiln]

they definitely can do it but they would also be exactly the ones to be the first to realize they can disobey due to their massively strong will to survive

schaeffer is pissed no matter what in the very next mission at the start

[normal granite]

maybe that secondary was what made them realise they will be at a huge risk if they do what schaeffer says

causing the events of R8C2

[uneven kiln]

yeah, that's yet another way to interpret it

There is no definitive statement at this time by the devs

on wiki it mentions both choices (Main Only or including Secondary) and the unique dialogue in turn (this is also due to the achievements requiring you do both choices)

[normal granite]

"on wiki" didnt you do that page lol

[uneven kiln]

I overhauled it yes

mainly because of the whole checkpoint bug thing after rigorous testing

not like the OG Team canonically ever uses/needs checkpoints but that checkpoint harms you more than it helps

[normal granite]

i honestly like using that checkpoint when i do that level

without checkpoint is hard, but i want more

i guess i like it because its like R2E1 error

[grizzled patrol]

Checkpoint for people who Got jumpscared by the Tank and shafted by BBCs

[normal granite]

lol

wait, what tank?

[grizzled patrol]

Wait i was thinking about C2

Mb

[normal granite]

is there even a tank in R8B4

ah k

fair lol

c2 has no checkpoint

iirc

[grizzled patrol]

One before the MRI room

[normal granite]

ah ok

[grizzled patrol]

B4 pre Nerf was pog

[normal granite]

yeah wasnt it a nightmare surge for sec?

because thats what i always remembered

[uneven kiln]

no, the error for Main was just basically a surge

they lowered the numbers by like half

[normal granite]

man

why do i remember nightmares then

[uneven kiln]

well there are nightmares specifically if you do sec

[normal granite]

in the shutdown specifically

[uneven kiln]

that is a surge alarm

while doing the megacluster

and then the error afterwards is a trickle

[normal granite]

yeah my brain keeps remembering it as a nightmare mega cluster surge

[grizzled patrol]

Wasnt B3 also changed?

I remember there was Something with the Ned of secondar

End of secondary* autocorrection

[normal granite]

ned of secondar

[uneven kiln]

it was a Snatcher instead of a Tank

[normal granite]

oh thats lame

snatcher boring

[grizzled patrol]

Oh yeah. Thats why it was Not memorable

[normal granite]

only memory i have of the main is unlocking the 12 code uplink with the code "odor" with a random guess

wait is it 12 or 10

i think 10

i like the sec tho

[uneven kiln]

10 is r5c1

12 is r8b3

[frail heart]

10

r5c1 is 12 i believe

[uneven kiln]

whoops

[civic wave]

r5c1 is 10

[frail heart]

nvm r5c1 is 10

[civic wave]

7 7 10

i don't remember r8b3 well so I'd guess its either 7 or 9

[frail heart]

r8b3 is 10

[civic wave]

she's a 10 but she's a terminal uplink

[uneven kiln]

R4C1 is the 12 code

[civic wave]

correct

[normal granite]

hey @uneven kiln

is there a mod that makes levels load faster or nah?

[uneven kiln]

they already load really fast but you can try RockBottom

[civic wave]

cconsole

[normal granite]

yeah already got cconsole going

thing is, im repeatedly dropping into E2 so it takes a while lol

[little pilot]

oh for that

nah

good luck

when i was gathering data for map generation gtfo would crash once every 2 drops for me

[normal granite]

lmao

[grizzled patrol]

get yourself a friend who will do the early drop bug

[normal granite]

if you ever need repeated drops again, hit me up

ive got one of the faster computers in the server

[burnt inlet]

TGB finally got a decent pc

[normal granite]

oh pog

@little pilot what is your pc now?

[little pilot]

9600x 9060xt 32gb ram

256 slow ssd with OS, 1TB ssd with games and projects

[normal granite]

poggers

9600x will be great with gtfo because single thread

did you get 8GB or 16GB 9060 XT?

[little pilot]

16

[coral dune]

is hel gun any good or used in any level at all?

[hardy grotto]

hel gun is very good

[silent python]

not a big fan of hel gun

i'd rather use a bazooka

[ocean spindle]

hel guns pretty based

✨

[upbeat flame]

hel gun is good, all hel weapons are very good

[timber shoal]

hel gun 🤤

[coral dune]

what about hel revo?

[frail heart]

very good

top 3 main weapon

[digital mural]

Everything with hel = OP

[coral dune]

hel auto sentry?

[digital mural]

Except hel pistol but it's really good

And hel auto sentry is meh

Can be really good in ideal circumstances

[sudden nexus]

hel auto is goated

you just need to know how yo use it

[frail heart]

hel auto sentry is either really good or meh

its used a lot in speedruns

[subtle warren]

Yo is pdw good? Like people saying it's the machine pistol but with heat sight on it

[upbeat flame]

it's only good for the thermal imo

damage is not good

[frail heart]

its like a meh weapon

its main use is the thermal

but you never really need it

[prime musk]

thermal utility is strong. as a weapon it's pretty mid

[subtle warren]

back to the hel autopistol, it is like optimal in a bots playthrough?

Like i felt like the staggers help dealing with hordes better

[frail heart]

hel revolver is just better

but if you give them burst cannon they'll just kill everything anyway

[digital mural]

Nope

Hel pistol is good if you have someone else that can actually deal with the enemy groups

Bots suck at that so you must do all of the heavy lifting

[grizzled patrol]

Hel autopistol helps you lose slower, it is better to win faster with Higher damaging weapons

There are some niche cases where your objektive is Not to kill, but in General waveclear its Better to kill instead of making them dance

[subtle warren]

just incase which rundown i can play to like

train my scout killing using bat and knife

[winter breach]

R8c1 has a lot of scouts

Pretty much everysingle scout type is there

[subtle warren]

Bat has a very odd arch when swinging for me

[upbeat flame]

personally I used r2e1 to train stuff like that cuz there's always a scout in the first room

but yknow not everyone got that one unlocked

[winter breach]

Its ok

Bat has also a weird hitbox

You may sometimes hit the neck instead of the head

[winter breach]

Thats also a good mission if you want to do as much as practice as fast as possible

[upbeat flame]

yeah I would just drop 2e1 kill the scout and reset

and I'm still shit at it 🗣️

[winter breach]

Tho honestly r8c1 gives you almost every scout type to practice

Main has a lot of normal scouts

Like 3 scouts per some zones

Secondary has shadow scouts

And overload has nightmare scout, zoomer scout, shadow scout and a normal scout

The only problem with this is that youre spending a lot of time to clear the lvl

Unless you just want to kill normal scouts doing main only is fine

[upbeat flame]

oh that's cool, something to look towards

all da scouts

[timber shoal]

r8c1 is not a fun level unfortunately

probably the only r8 level that i was actively miserable while playing

[winter breach]

What about r8b4?

[timber shoal]

i like r8b4

granted i was holding door for the t scan so the spawns would never reach the people in the pit

but i’m ngl our clear was smooth as butter

[winter breach]

Yeah what about the last part of the mission?

[timber shoal]

it’s fun

holds aren’t too bad with those long straight halls they give you

and it’s just a shooting gallery for a little while

with a sneaky mom in the pocket

[winter breach]

Honestly it was a strugle for me cuz i was the guy looking for the cell

[timber shoal]

understandable

[winter breach]

And im bad at hearing cells

[timber shoal]

ah that makes sense

i gotta do cell hunt next time tbh

learn the layout

[winter breach]

Yeah

[civic wave]

i think all the cells are static

[timber shoal]

that’s what i was gonna say

thought it was set spawns

but i didnt quite remember

[winter breach]

I think it has 1 spawn or 2 spawns i think

Other than that I was doing with was in the same mood every cook would be when everything was going down

"WHY IS THE FOG HIGH"

"WHERE IS THE CELL"

[timber shoal]

oh yeah if you don’t turn off the fog that’d be pretty miserable

i understand the gripes

[winter breach]

"WHY IS THE MOM STILL ALIVE"

[winter breach]

Yeah

The pressure is high for 1st time

[timber shoal]

very true

i love supercluster scan

it’s so peak

[winter breach]

Remembering where to go in r8b4 for cell and killing mom is like memorising 1st half of r6c3

[timber shoal]

i still need to do that 😭

i got lost in c3 vro

[winter breach]

Pub

[burnt inlet]

Ain't no way

[winter breach]

I think the problem was the lack of pressence of spear

[burnt inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717498714259980378/1464616893783478455/attachment-3-1.gif

[winter breach]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-sigma-alpha-how-bro-felt-after-saying-that-sigma-lion-gif-13957304746104521882

[prime ore]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sigma-face-1

[coral dune]

what’s the use case for burst cannons? is it just big bois like giants or can it work for mob clear as well?

[prime musk]

it's the strongest flex weapon in the game

it is strong into smalls, bigs, and bosses but doesn't excel at any in comparison to the strongest guns in those roles

[prime ore]

its a really good weapon for chargers

cuz it 1 shots them too so with good burst skill you can kill alot of chargers pretty efficiently

[prime musk]

??????

chargers is like

its big weakness because it just kinda has terrible ammo into them

[coral dune]

how does burst cannon work against smalls? do you just save it for big groups and use primary otherwise?

[prime ore]

Its definetly not the best weapon for chargers but I find it pretty good

[prime musk]

burst cannon deals 22 damage. which is enough to oneshot a striker to the body, and a shooter to the head. at a high level you can consistently kill 2-3 per burst when there are a few around

[prime ore]

its maybe because I get fed ammo packs 90% of the times when I run burst cannon so I dont see my ammo effic is bad or something so

[prime musk]

when there aren't enough enemies for this to be realistically achievable by a high skill player, there also aren't enough enemies to be remotely threatening so main suffices for the situation

[prime musk]

it's not bad. it kills them fast and has good uptime. it just suffers a lot on ammo compared to the other good options, and pen is incredibly strong and burst cannon notably doesn't have that

[prime ore]

hel rifle funny moments

[frail heart]

bc is goated on r3d1 solo

[prime ore]

I wanted to mention how good is burst cannon for R3D1 and R4D2

[burnt inlet]

Hel gun is also pretty fire into chargers

[coral dune]

is there something hel rifle can’t do?

[prime musk]

it's pretty mid at bosskill

like into mom/tank it just doesn't have good dps compared to a lot of other guns

[burnt inlet]

Ig fliers also pretty bad no?

[prime musk]

it's perfectly acceptable but falls short compared to more specialised options

[burnt inlet]

Like theres only R6D1 reactor where you get lines on them afaik

Maybe R7E1 too?

[prime musk]

r7e1 r8e2

r6d2

[burnt inlet]

E2 fliers get stuck anyhow

[prime musk]

e2 reactor flyers

is what im referring to

[burnt inlet]

Oh right

Forgot about those

Anyways getting lines on fliers is kinda bald no?

Cuz its a bunch of rng

[prime musk]

geting lines is rng

but spawnkilling them is 100% consistent

and you get crazy pen value there

[burnt inlet]

Fairs

[prime musk]

and even just shooting 1 by 1 hel rifle is a pretty good gun for it

[burnt inlet]

Didn’t snow taht

[prime musk]

like it isn't as good as hel gun

but

[burnt inlet]

Sawed off also better ish if its close/mid range?

[prime musk]

sawed off is less efficient

than single shotting

with hel rifle

reminder

[burnt inlet]

Huh didnt snow

[tardy ingot]

sawed off also genuinely has range limitations against an enemy that… flies off

[burnt inlet]

Lowkey havent been that bad when ive done R6D1 reactor skip

[frail heart]

its placebo trust

[normal granite]

shotgun has range limitations? WOOOOW

[burnt inlet]

Truke

[prime ore]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fig-7

[flat pecan]

Hey guys, is there any video setting that helps with seeing shadows ? My mates are having trouble spotting them

Depending on the lights in the rooms it can be tricky and I'm not sure about the distance between me and the shadow sometimes

[subtle warren]

Am i missing something or DMR doesn't one shot kill normal strikers headshot but can kill shooter

[burnt inlet]

Having the graphics setting “shadows …” on highest will make them the easiest to see

#gtfo-chat message

Has some good pointers too

[flat pecan]

Thanks I'll have a look

[burnt inlet]

Shooters have a diff head multiplier than strikers

It’s insanely high

[cedar belfry]

Guys without spoilers how hard is R4E1? Is it harder than R2E1?

[prime musk]

significantly harder i would say

[burnt inlet]

^

R2E1 is like 7th in difficulty, R4E1 is like 3rd-4th id say?

[frail heart]

R4E1 is the 2nd hardest (3rd if you ask some people) level in the game

[cedar belfry]

Damn now I am scared xD our team barely got through R2E1 and we're more than half way through the R4, coming close to E1

[prime musk]

you're significantly better now than when you barely got through r2e1 you got it trust

[burnt inlet]

^

It’ll take a bit

Cuz its a info level

But you got this

[prime musk]

if you got through all of r3 and r4 up until r4e1 you'll have so much more experience just playing the game that it'll be fine

[thick stump]

I recommend you play more and also doing R5 to practice more because R5 also has difficult mission which is a really good practice, after doing most of R5, you can go back to R4E1, because the story starts at R6

[thick stump]

I haven't known this is a thing, now I am curious and want to test it O.o

[frail heart]

You want to have shadow resolution on the highest setting to be able to see shadows the easiest

[thick stump]

do you know a level where can I load in and find shadows immedately?

[frail heart]

r5d2

[thick stump]

thank you very much

[cedar belfry]

I hope so, we were stuck on R2E1 for over a year cause we were missing the 4th teammate, and now for the past 4 months we started playing with a friend and we actually make progress xD

[prime musk]

r4e1, while harder than r2e1, has the most challenging sections up front instead of having them at the end after a long attempt

[elfin arrow]

any gamers out there know how to stop mobs queuing in r2d2? we cannot stealth zones because of infinite straggler waves. do we need to run back over the bridge and waste ~1 minute every time before entering new zones?

[thick stump]

what about the reactor with the || 4 mothers || ? I think they can ruin the run if you are not prepared of it

[thick stump]

1 - 2 people just can kill the straggler waves while the other 2 - 3 can go stealth and loot

[prime musk]

it is still in the beginning of the run. before that point there isn't really any sections that are comparatively easy

[cedar belfry]

Oh okay, thank u for all the help :3

[elfin arrow]

what about the delayed waves on top of stragglers, whoever stays back to clear just dumps all their resources on the hybrids etc?

[prime musk]

reactor spawnpush.
you'll have fewer stragglers the closer to reactor room you hold the wave in.
holding in reactor itself, or 1 room away from it, is usually enough to not have stragglers. if you're further than that you'll get A LOT of stragglers as you describe

[elfin arrow]

yeah we open the first security door and we have permanent stragglers basically lmao

[prime musk]

try always holding on bridge in front of reactor, accepting that you have 2 people defending each direction of bridge after wave 4

you can help out the other direction of course but it's important you always have someone watch each direction to make sure no one gets attacked from the back

[thick stump]

take Zed's advice because he is so much better than me in this game

[elfin arrow]

what about the hold people always say to do at the entrance to zone 196 with the crossfire and closed doors, overrated or?

[prime musk]

having people stay back and defend against the stragglers is correct. because getting the code as fast as possible is important to leave time for looting.
but it is better to reduce the number of stragglers to begin with.

[prime musk]

it is effective for having your entire team stay safe and has an acceptable amount of stragglers. but
specifically during later waves towards the end, you will have to push INTO reactor to get code plug in time, which can be very difficult.
i VASTLY prefer holding the top catwalk in room with code 2 if you want something similar to that. imo it is actually a lot better, since the lines are better and you can look down towards the reactor entrance to bait hybrids to shoot them and effectively separate them from the rest of the wave

it also has a "drop" to cut past most of the wave so that you don't actually have to push through it to get codeplugs during those problematic waves i mentioned

[burnt inlet]

So reactors spawn enemies 2 rooms away from you + how many rooms you are away from reactor, you generally want to hold from reactor or very close to it to not push spawns, unless it’s when you know they’ll only come one way (first 4 codes)

Honestly it’s only about 3 later codes where you’ll have to defend the person plugging code

[elfin arrow]

thanks for the help, we see how we go.

[elfin arrow]

we can enter the codes just fine, its stragglers causing us to hemorrhage resources and aggro rooms we're trying to clear.

[prime musk]

specifically code 7 9 and 10 are not so simple to enter if you have stragglers.

[burnt inlet]

I think you just need to lowkey clear out waves quicker

[elfin arrow]

as in put down 3 sentries and kill as quick as possible to force stragglers to mvoe earlier?

[elfin arrow]

we have the commands pretyped, is the reactor room full of mobs at that point and even entering the word at the end hard?

[prime musk]

this is the case if you're not defending in reactor itself, yes. since only if you're defending in reactor itself do you truly get no stragglers at all, and your wave is fully dead by codeplug time

[burnt inlet]

Prolly just aiming better or different weapons

[prime musk]

you don't really need to think about killing things faster since
generall you're either dying or killing things as fast as they come to you
(if you don't, well you're getting overrun)

so it's about choosing a holding spot where the enemies come as fast as possible to you while still not so fast you can't keep up

[safe cradle]

I think that, at least for some maps, holding reactor is the option you can take if you dont want stragglers or want as little as you can

[prime musk]

for r2d2 a very valid strategy is to have 1 person defending each of the 3 directions and then have the 4th person help out wherever needed since it is rare all directions have enemies at once

[safe cradle]

For R2D2 specifically, until you open the side zone that needs a key, you can hold in B of the first zone so they spawn only on player spawn and you kill them super fast

[safe cradle]

yeah it's what I've done on some R4D1's (1 per side and bio cycled in case the scream wasn't on their side) and we didnt get stragglers

[elfin arrow]

yeah people keep saying 196b but i guess we just suck at dealing with stragglers

[safe cradle]

you mean A

[elfin arrow]

uhh yeah A i guess

whatever the 2 closed door 1 open door is

[prime musk]

196B is also a strategy. but it has VERY severe straggler problems.

like the hold spot is good. but you're accepting have 2 people permanently on straggler defense if you do that.

[winter breach]

It must be bc of traffic

[elfin arrow]

did you say you true solo'd the mission zed

[prime musk]

yeah like 6 times

i did it twice with hel rifle twice with burst cannon once with sniper and once with hel gun

[elfin arrow]

do you have to kite as a solo or use some cheese?

[prime musk]

i utilised it every time for wave 9 and 10. but it is not required

shooting wave 9 and 10 is just REALLY hard solo

i have done it when skipping to there with cconsole

there are people who have done the solo no kiting as well, i just haven\t bothered since it isn\t really interesting to me

[elfin arrow]

how did your ammo management work? were you using overpenetrating and getting more use per shot?

[prime musk]

it is the easiest yes

but as stated i did it with SNIPER as well

which is the least ammo efficient gun in the game into smalls, which is mostly what you\re shooting

generally ammo is not an issue if you make sure to fully loot every ammopack in the code zones

[elfin arrow]

did you stealth the last scout room every time?

[prime musk]

which one

z195b?

[elfin arrow]

not the doughnut room

[prime musk]

ye the 5 scout zone

[elfin arrow]

whatever has the 5 scouts or whatever

[prime musk]

ye

i stealth B only if required

[elfin arrow]

right, and you just deal with the aggro from the 2 scouts in doughnut if you dont manage to take one out?

[prime musk]

generally i get to doorshoot my way to bottom term and if it isn\t i take the extra time to finish killing the room

[prime musk]

i generally shoot the 1st scout and tank the scout wave. it\s only 12 smalls so for the guaranteed clearing speed shooting the room immediately provides the extra enemies is a very small cost

[elfin arrow]

is there a brute force cheese for specific codes?

[prime musk]

it is not realistic

there are only a few thousand codes

so you could write a script to bruteforce try all of them

but

[elfin arrow]

people just enter it when theres downtime?

for a small % chance?

[prime musk]

you have the issue of not getting any resources from side rooms

[elfin arrow]

so in terms of ammo management, only really need to stealth the 5 scout room and loot everywhere else?

[prime musk]

listen

you can FULL SHOOT every room everywhere on the map

as long as you don\t pull scouts outside of the 1 in donut room

you\ll have enough ammo if you loot everything

iff you force a bunch of melee clearing it just adds to your leeway

[prime musk]

yeah
and bringing acceptable guns as well
but anything should suffice as long as it\s not the actual worst guns

[ripe hamlet]

which one is donut room

doesnt that one has like 2 scouts

oh i just misread the convo

[prime musk]

ye it has 2

[ripe hamlet]

r2d2 hardest code hunt is code 4 lwk

[prime musk]

man im a pub i can\t even full shoot wave 10 solo in reactor first try

[ripe hamlet]

whats the hardest wave of r2d2

[frail heart]

12

[ripe hamlet]

thanks chat

forgot the secret 11th and 12th codes

[keen seal]

like 7 or 9 prob cuz you have to get code plug possibly while there are enemies still coming

[ripe hamlet]

just hold in reactor

ezclap

[prime musk]

ok i did it

it\s not as bad as i remember it but still pretty rough

carrying 2use ammo at 100/100 is enough but bit scary

[ripe hamlet]

wheres the solo hold zone

[prime musk]

no

for wave 10 you

play reactor

like there isn\t a "hold spot"

you just shoot your first striker wave that alway comes main

and from there you're permanently killing as fast as you can just to stay alive and if you manage to stay in reactor and stay alive you have killed enough to have clear stack at end of codeplug

hel rifle burst cannon and scattergun are all playable (i have done it with all 3) but i would probably recommend scatter because it's the easiest to "play life" with in reactor

bc has to eat too much ammo and hel rifle is too low output

[ripe hamlet]

yeah i figure scatter would probably be the play for reactor

[prime musk]

it just

sucks

for everything else in the solo

or is at least like
inconvenient

[ripe hamlet]

understandable

[prime musk]

ill throw a link to wave 10 solo hold in a moment when i get a clean run

https://youtu.be/39AoolA9PJk

processing

[ripe hamlet]

nice

almost peak

that one shooter taking 3 hel rifle shots ruined it

😔

[prime musk]

well
my mechanics are bad

what do you want

[ripe hamlet]

its okay

[normal granite]

get good

[ripe hamlet]

the crawling shooter also my bane of existence

[prime musk]

correct

[livid python]

Which rundown is it where it has a secret level? Like the map is the tutorial level but corrupted

[timber shoal]

||rundown 8 a2 secondary objective||

[livid python]

Got ya, thank you

[cyan crater]

what are good guns for solo clearing?

[timber shoal]

most of the meta weapons are good for solo, so sawed off in main and hel gun/rifle or scatter in special

[cyan crater]

how many shots does it take to OHKO giants with sawed off?

[timber shoal]

from the front you can kill giants with 4 shots at fairly close range with sawed off

from the back it takes two (usually only happens with sleeping giants)

and if you;re up for it you can break a limb with your first shot, jump through the giant/run around it while its staggered, and shoot twice into its back for a 3-shot kill on awake giants

[ripe hamlet]

only if all pallets hit

[timber shoal]

yeah thats the other thing, aim center of mass with sawed off to maximize damage

[burnt inlet]

It’s consistent if ur not solo to run behind the giant

[timber shoal]

yeah but they’re asking about solo

but yes

[burnt inlet]

Ye

[timber shoal]

you can get back damage just by running around it

[burnt inlet]

Sawed off hel Gun 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[burnt inlet]

Ring around the Rosie

[normal granite]

hel rifle > hel gun

https://tenor.com/WuDHdsmqRu.gif

[ocean spindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1415404895636426935/1417590127336755311/makesweet-dy1unb.gif

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[subtle warren]

What's the best weapon for bots?

[subtle warren]

TRUE! I really like Hel Rifle because it still one shot grunts and does reasonable damage to giants

[frail heart]

burst cannon

[subtle warren]

what about primary?

i put Hel Revolver on em

and it seems to do relatively well

[winter breach]

Hel revo is most ammo efficient so you should be fine with it

[prime ore]

any burst weapons they will shoot way better honestly

DTR they are pretty good with that

and obv burst cannon only burst special

[ripe hamlet]

i dont think theyre good with dtr

[frail heart]

yeah hel revo is prolly the best

[frail heart]

burst cannon being good isnt because its a burst weapon, its because they can burst cancel with it

[winter breach]

They are decent

But not the best weapon obv

[livid stone]

Slug shotgun

[nova gyro]

have the devs fixed desync issues when u bring friends in late to a rundown?

[uneven kiln]

No, but it has a partial fix in modded

in vanilla all bets are off with that, its pretty much the same as restarting from a checkpoint for latejoins

[lone elbow]

guys what are some mods i can try with a friend who apparently thinks this game is boring cuz he cant beat any missions to get the new enemy types

[burnt inlet]

R1C2 has new enemy

R1D1 has new enemy

[winter breach]

youre saying your friend doesnt like seeing new enemies?

[burnt inlet]

R2E1 has new enemy

[winter breach]

like the most basic vanilla enemies?

[burnt inlet]

R3B2 has new enemy

R3D1 has 3 new enemy

i could go on for longer

[ocean spindle]

d1 has like 3 new enemies lol

[ocean spindle]

take em to rundown 6

[burnt inlet]

oh true

R1C1 also has new enemy

[winter breach]

wouldnt that be too much?

like the guy might get overwhelmed after he gets to C tier missions

[digital mural]

if its only the first on each tier it will be alright

the levels arent really difficult, just more complex

[winter breach]

i guess so

[winter breach]

thats the true issue

[ocean spindle]

while r6 does up in difficulty faster is very afable introfucing things up until r6c2

[frail heart]

So we’re cooked

[winter breach]

he might not be cooked as one guy that i know of that has watched all sleeper podcasts, tutorials, tips and tricks and lore and still sucks ass at the game

[timber shoal]

how many hours

[frail heart]

Yeah cause watching shit won’t make you good

[timber shoal]

exactly

[frail heart]

That’s like saying “yeah I watch a shit tonne of ufc so I know how to fight”

[winter breach]

yeah

[timber shoal]

thats what i woulda did

[winter breach]

when i was explaining how to solo kill a giant he went "i know bro, you dont have to tell me" and then he dies in 5 seconds

[ocean spindle]

me

[winter breach]

funniest shit to the rest of the team

[frail heart]

Those types of people are like tier 1 rage baiters ngl

[winter breach]

100 im guessing

cant see through his profile

[timber shoal]

no shit hes a pub then

[ripe hamlet]

i watch astralspiff

[glacial cairn]

Hey chat. I have no idea what I'm doing on this game. How do i get started?

[ripe hamlet]

i know how to beat e2

[timber shoal]

have you played the tutorial

[ocean spindle]

tutorial ✨

[winter breach]

he got more ragebait by me explaining how room deviders affect enemy spawning in alarms

[glacial cairn]

yerb

i still have no idea what I'm really doing

[timber shoal]

what are you confused by

[ocean spindle]

then r1

[timber shoal]

we can explain mechanics if you need clarification

since the game doesnt give a whole lot of insight

[ripe hamlet]

you shoot enemies and then complete objective thats on the corner of your screen

[glacial cairn]

well i got killed like immediately by this invincible monster thing and i have no idea where to go

[ocean spindle]

are u matchmaking

[glacial cairn]

i did terminal and query where the reactor was it said 454 cool how do i get there

[glacial cairn]

yerb

[ocean spindle]

i wouldnt

[upbeat flame]

What level???

[timber shoal]

sneaky pablo in the pocket 😭

[ocean spindle]

use the LFG in this discord

[glacial cairn]

E

[timber shoal]

thats why you're confused

[ripe hamlet]

based asf

[ocean spindle]

matchmakinf throws u jntk a randomizer basically

[upbeat flame]

Oh yeah r7e1?

[glacial cairn]

ohhh okay

[timber shoal]

play r1a1 with bots

[ripe hamlet]

we love dropping into e tier as a newbie

[timber shoal]

or with people from the discord

[glacial cairn]

I think so

[glacial cairn]

okag

[timber shoal]

matchmaking is giga cooked

[upbeat flame]

Dawg that’s like throwing a new born baby into an industrial vat of acid

[glacial cairn]

Next time i get on I'll just do it with discord peeps

[upbeat flame]

E tiers are some of the hardest missions in the game, with a tiers being the easiest

[glacial cairn]

oh

[frail heart]

LMAO

[glacial cairn]

i thought it was the other way round