gtfo-related-questions

[heady berry]

im very aware of how the basegame weapons perform

[tardy ingot]

I have a course this week same as my thesis I wrote

So Im just checking pokemon calcs during my classes mainly

[heady berry]

oh i forgor to mention that the amr does overpen to 6 enemies lol

[burnt inlet]

ye but like i like snipers usually

[burnt inlet]

ok so we have hel rifle but sniper stats

[topaz python]

ah but I have 1% on my laptop I must go. Sniper is goated ignore all evidence
and trust 🙏

[heady berry]

and no bullets

[burnt inlet]

i mgiht get behind this one out of fear... dont wanna get hit with it

[burnt inlet]

sniper has like 0 bullets no?

[heady berry]

it has 6

total

[burnt inlet]

at least in its mag lmao

anyways

seems like a funny gun

[raven copper]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-is-so-mean-to-me-heartbroken-heartbreak-shower-everyone-gif-9844935362240232951

[burnt inlet]

we make you kite

go long !!!!!!

[tardy ingot]

I mean

I love the sniper

I played it for all of alt r5 with scaler n co
But Sniper in this game rn is eeeh

[burnt inlet]

ye ik

but i like sniper in like almost every shooter

[tardy ingot]

same

[burnt inlet]

i did main widowmaker back in prime overwatch

[tardy ingot]

Im also not saying not to use it for fun

[timber shoal]

haiiii sniff :3

[raven copper]

HHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

DODO

[tardy ingot]

Its more my stance of

„That gun seems or is hella weak“

[raven copper]

HHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1383286674779537448/1469806235330023690/speed.gif

[timber shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/waffascraffa-hamster-meme-happy-hamster-joyous-chiikawa-happy-gif-16374986407687065427

[burnt inlet]

ye

[raven copper]

YAY

[burnt inlet]

also i hate mio

mio is the worst

grrrrr

(opinion changed in about 5 mins)

grrrr this game sucks and i will spend the rest of the day playing it

grrrrr

[tardy ingot]

Play bingo you f

[burnt inlet]

i dont have the facilities for that

laptop sucks ass

i can maybe get 15 fps in gtfo

and thats nothing open except gtfo

and lowest settings

lowest res

[tardy ingot]

that sounds like a you issue to deal with

Void speedran on 10 fps

smh

[burnt inlet]

yea but void has skill

i have a carried by loadout sticker on my back

[little pilot]

tgb speedruns on 20 fps

smh

[burnt inlet]

25% better framerate than im getting

and prolly better res

[little pilot]

1080p on a 2k monitor so it is worse

[burnt inlet]

i CANT even run 1080 on this laptop

oh yea and i get that fps with the performance optimizing mod thingy

[tacit cedar]

just use dynamic res on lowspecgaming

[burnt inlet]

I already have that toggled on

[tacit cedar]

oh

GG then

mine is pretty bad but gets 30fps on 720p at least

[winter breach]

yall get fps?

on my laptop i get only frames per sometimes

[upbeat flame]

60 seconds per frame

Gotta input everything a minute in advance

[winter breach]

gotta play like im predicting the future

[burnt inlet]

ez speedrunning strat

[silent creek]

Imagine not having the facilities ( My lap has third degree burns from this game)

[tiny wyvern]

I think you need a desk and a better laptop

The desk is more important

[burnt inlet]

I don’t have a proper laptop 🥀

[normal granite]

bro you have a pc with a 7900 XTX

[burnt inlet]

The pc is NOT where I am

[livid stone]

You are not where the PC am

[burnt inlet]

True

[normal granite]

steam remote play
kde remote desktop
moonlight + sunshine

[burnt inlet]

My internet is worse than Foholos when he doesn’t have electricity

[silent creek]

Oh.\nYeah, I have a lap.\nDesk because reasons

I was just making an exaggerated statement for comedic effect

[keen seal]

blud pulled out the \n

[frail heart]

this aint vs code lil bro

[uneven kiln]

it’s downstairs

[burnt inlet]

It is

[silent creek]

This is a disabled person Lil bro

[frail heart]

it was a joke 😭

[silent creek]

More like i'm a joke gottem

[silent creek]

Candid disabled person make fun of themselves for being disabled

I wasn't trying to like be upset with you.I was just responding

[frail heart]

nah ur chill

[silent creek]

Waow

all the girlies say, I'm pretty fly for a white guy

[wraith wedge]

He can fly omg

[dense rover]

What do the -, -, - mean?

[tiny wyvern]

N/A
First slot is Main, Second is secondary, third is Overload and fourth is PE/All Completed
If it's - there is no secondary or overload depending on the position.

Until R4 you will not see any Secondary or Overload side objectives

So don't worry about that for now

[dense rover]

Ahh thanks I am pretty new to this game. Just finished the R1A1 few times and was confused about the rest

[normal granite]

you dont have to worry about it until R4

[minor fractal]

Burst Rifle, Slug, or Pistol

which is best/worst

[ocean spindle]

burst rifle is for me v clearly the best option, its a sidehrade to carbine sort of
pistol issss fine for most things
slugs sort of bad in more situations?

those two r v interchangeable

[burnt inlet]

I would say burst slug pistol but im also insanely biased for shotguns

[minor fractal]

Makes sense

[fathom ice]

lowk
slug / br / pistol

[minor fractal]

I am having a brain blast of Beth and I checking this on R4D1

[fathom ice]

W

[minor fractal]

where slug was just better for chargers

It might be a burst damage wins kind of deal

[fathom ice]

Slug is not even like remotely bad

literally the only thing is ammo

but it's like

same efficiency into smalls

and you usually 2 shot chargers with sawed off regardless

so 2 shots on chargers doesn't matter

[ocean spindle]

but sawed off does it in 0.2 seconds

[fathom ice]

I think shot delay is fine

you can swap to special / if it's just one guy shot delay doesn't matter since you get the stagger

and if it's multiple chargers you shouldn't be close fighting them regardless

[civic wave]

i'd prefer to play burst rifle

but into chargers yea i can see slug doing more

[silent creek]

Preference

Though the personally , I tend to be a weapon harlot

[fathom ice]

br is good by itself ye

I like it on high ping client

[silent creek]

Saw off and combat shotgun my beloved

[sudden nexus]

combat shotgun my goat

[minor fractal]

Tha's cope.

[silent creek]

Cope a feel of these nuts

Everything's cope.It came free with the Exist.\nIng

[sturdy glen]

so close to a banger joke

[next siren]

on terminal, what commands i need to put so it keeps pinging?? i remember like ping (stuff) T??

[fathom ice]

-T

ping item -T

[next siren]

alright

how to list all items in room u in? i remember like "list e something something"

[fathom ice]

so E is a filter for zone

you can only list by zone, not by specific rooms

you can also use filter U which will show all the consumable items

so try
list u e_zonenumber

and it should show u packs / objective items (excluding IDs)

[next siren]

wait. so its "list u e_zonenumber"

[fathom ice]

yes

with zone number being the number

list u e_455

[next siren]

so if i wanna ask for medkit, "list medpack e_27?"

[fathom ice]

that would work ye

[next siren]

whats the u stands for

[fathom ice]

consumable

[next siren]

ohhhhh

[fathom ice]

ye

(excluding glowsticks, e mines, c trips etc.)

cuz they're not listable / pingable

[next siren]

has anyone got tips for r3d1? we kept dying but we made progress like finding next to next door

[fathom ice]

how far did u get

[next siren]

i dont remember the rooms, but in that room has fog turbine, so many giants, and we forgot our neonate

the room where u supposed to put neonate

[prime musk]

(it's MEDIPACK, not MEDPACK but yes. usually there is little reason to not just list all resources with filter U, RES, or something similar)

[next siren]

we were there and we lost track of our neonate, i mean can u ping it??? its too far, and its weird, because shouldnt we see the neonate mark anyways???

[fathom ice]

so you should carry neonate over in the first place

and once you plug it enemies stop comingg

[prime musk]

if you don't have marker you either A) never picked it up or B) already placed it in the objective to stop the alarm

[civic wave]

key blue/orange and fog turbine send their regards

[fathom ice]

:P

[civic wave]

waiting to board the plane

[next siren]

we did pick it up, thats why we asking like why cant we see the green mark.. like :"). tots to tag it along with us next time

[ocean spindle]

moreso U just happens to appear in everything important

[civic wave]

security, resource, unknown

[next siren]

oh yea zone 397

do they not have disinfection station in r3d1?

[ocean spindle]

they do, in the plug-the-baby room

[next siren]

at the last room we did find the fog turbine, but they came at many angle, lick my tralala, and i was down XD

[ocean spindle]

its on the side of the wall of the hole up the stairs

pro gaming tip, plug the baby in right away

✨

[next siren]

we try we try

[silent creek]

Glowstix my beloved

[dreamy socket]

Glowsticks are so peak

[silent creek]

They're so great for throwing it at everything

And they're wonderful for the bit there was one time where all of our centuries were empty , and we had to do a I wanna say it was class seven Alarm scan or something And\nI was like, wait, trust me, I have an idea.And then I proceeded to put twelve glow sticks on the other side of a door and then close it and be like they'll never make it through

And when my partner came over to check what I had done , they reached so hard that they accidentally fired their scatter gun

Wheezed not reached

[steep ivy]

Do we know the rough stats of how many people have beaten 8e2?

[ripe hamlet]

A few hundreds?

[ocean spindle]

individuals probs like r2e1 og stat numbers

which would mean 800 or so ~

except this time not counting reclears

[frail heart]

its probably more ngl

i would say a couple thousand

[livid stone]

3742 players

[steep ivy]

how many people played sinced r8?

[grizzled patrol]

A Lot. There have been a free Weekend, so there is a huge ammount of Players who played since R8

[steep ivy]

so like at least 2?

[grizzled patrol]

I can confirm only one Player, with the absolute error of +-1 it Could be either 2 or 0 Players aswell

[ocean spindle]

more like 3

[normal granite]

where'd you get that number?

[livid stone]

from my head

[normal granite]

fair

hey @shadow flower do you have access to the level completion numbers for R8? (and probably some other missions, mainly E tier)

[timber shoal]

just email john 10 chambers

he prolly knows

[normal granite]

nah, @frail heart knows, trust

frosty boy, how many

[timber shoal]

frosty how many people have beaten r8e2 with burst pistol

i need to know

[normal granite]

i can actually confirm that it is more than 2

@rocky sand

you did an e2 run with burst pistol right zev?

[timber shoal]

i need to play e2 more so i can run stupid shit in it

[normal granite]

Now that me and friends are doing modded stuff, normal game feels easy

We have been doing survival on X2E1, and god damn that is a hard level

Tank of second wave

[timber shoal]

its like playing gtfr

[normal granite]

Tank on third wave, which you have to repeat minimum 6 times

[fathom ice]

the reboot

yessss

[timber shoal]

suddenly you;re not dealing with one million nightmares every wave

[fathom ice]

it's a bit too long but good otherwise

[normal granite]

Going back and doing r8e2 just felt really easy after

Even though we were struggling on ammo (literally had 3 scattergun shots at the end, and every one else was 0/0)

Dont know how we missed so much ammo

[timber shoal]

i ated it

[fathom ice]

did u do link?

x1-d1

[shadow flower]

Not at the ready, no

[grizzled patrol]

cant you just calculate it with steam achivements?

[timber shoal]

there’s not an e2 specific achievement though is there?

[prime musk]

well no

[fathom ice]

there's r8

[prime musk]

but all secondary sectors, all r8 level, all logs, etc require it

[timber shoal]

main sectors for r8 i suppose

[fathom ice]

ye

[normal granite]

Is that the first level?

If so yes

I remember mega mother either after or before a teleport with mwp

[keen seal]

yah

ending is a little funky

[normal granite]

X1D1 was good

[keen seal]

what about BATTERY

X2-D2

[normal granite]

X1D1 is literally the ONLYZ ONE WE HAVE BEATEN

[keen seal]

erm

[fathom ice]

listen

did you full sneak all the scouts

in the uplink room

[normal granite]

Im thinking yes

C foam

I think we only triggered 1 scout

[fathom ice]

oh

well scout waves are moms

[normal granite]

Oh yeah i do remember that

[fathom ice]

and in my both clears it was a 6 mom fight or smth

funky

[normal granite]

Because we woke up entire room once

Yeah

Funny

[keen seal]

oh wait that

certified banger

[silent creek]

Me when I talk about What Happened at the family cookout

[vital lark]

I forgot how to kill a giant with a knife, how was it again? XD

[fathom ice]

start with occi and hit limbs from the back

[vital lark]

Ty ty

[mystic rock]

throat goat

[humble night]

Where is my survival lobby

[heady atlas]

Hello everyone. My friends and I are passing R8E2, and we want to try to complete it using alarm skip. However after receiving the code of the first reactor wave the light in the E_619 zone stops turning off. Moreover after entering this code in the reactor terminal the light finally goes out and doesn't turn on again. In this regard, corrupted circles don't appear, and the entire passage fails. Has anyone encountered this problem? What could she be connected to? How to solve it?
There're two videos on YouTube where this bug occurs with other players, but I haven't found any relationship between them and me

[tacit cedar]

iirc the lights will only continue to turn on if you put the code in before a certain amount of time has passed

[fathom ice]

You have roughly 3 minutes to get code plug in, otherwise it disappears

[minor fractal]

Specifically, timer starts after opening code 1 door

That starts the events that turn the scans on and off, and if you take too long before plugging the final state will never bring scans back

[fathom ice]

Ye oops

[frail heart]

This isn’t a bug, you have 3 minutes to plug the code after you open the security door to code 1 zone

[tiny wyvern]

wut's alarm skip?

Is it a worse secondary skip or smth?

[frail heart]

This is the explanation if you care

[frail heart]

You use the trap scan to cancel the second nm6

[uneven kiln]

I will add this

[frail heart]

Thank you

I wanted it on there for a while but yeah

[normal granite]

Hmm yes i agree

[normal granite]

okay so, after 3 minutes, they stop turning on and off?

[frail heart]

Yes

[normal granite]

weird

[frail heart]

And inputting the reactor code turns them off

So you NEED one of those events to turn them back on

[normal granite]

i wanna full stealth that room tbh

[prime musk]

you can consistently full stealth code in time to keep scans solo. it just makes you unable to shoot in part of your reactor room later which is why it's like
never stealthed

[frail heart]

i find shooting more consistent ngl

and also yeah i wanna shoot in reactor

[prime musk]

shooting is very consistent if you practice it yeah

and my wave 2 strats rely on being able to
shoot in reactor and code 1
so

[prime musk]

also restarting a reactor wave (restarting wave 2 at least, not sure about 3) ALSO kills the scans.

[frail heart]

i only really kill wave 2 tank in code 1 room

and i could easily kill it somewhere else

[prime musk]

yeah the reason i need it is so that i can spawnpush my tank to guarantee he pulls up last in wave

and it also gives me like free space to kill my flyers easily

theoretically i could probably do it using front connector + code 2 a instead

it's just a lot less convenient since it's just a worse line and kinda annoying to force spawnpush forwards instead of by backing up

[heady atlas]

Damn, thanks guys. I never thought there was a time limit for this room.

[undone raven]

does a hel rifle stagger a bbc on no limb break to the front

[fathom ice]

no

[prime musk]

40 stagger hp. 15 limb hp. 30 damage on hel rifle.
limbbreaks heavy stagger.
your first shot needs limbbreak to stagger.
your 2nd and 3rd shot will always stagger.
assuming no falloff your 4th shot will always kill.
you can kill in 3 shots if your first 2 are limbbreaks because of enemy facing direction updating when it spins due to heavy stagger

the only location in the game where the last thing actually is useful is r4e1 extract. it's very very nice for ammo in case you're a bit tight on it (which is usually the case in the duo/duo speed)

(alternatively if your ammo is tight and yor scatter has ammo, you shoot 1 hel rifle to stagger out of lick and then scatter kills when it approaches for punch)

[past mesa]

What if you hit the hips of Steel

@minor fractal give me the Shakira clip of the giant

[minor fractal]

Idfk what this clip is

[prime musk]

this is covered since i said that your first shot needs limbbreak to stagger !!

[sturdy glen]

stagger hp is not a continuous bar tho?

[fathom ice]

ye i thought so

I thought it resets every time u get a stagger

(both heavy and light)

[prime musk]

oh apparently it does

i have NEVER had that come into play for me

[uneven kiln]

probably just with HAP or Sniper

[desert marlin]

What happened to @lilac fulcrum 's dev role?

[ocean spindle]

10c got a wave of layoffs

https://fxtwitter.com/pcgamer/status/2022353665617752335

PC Gamer (@pcgamer)

Den of Wolves studio 10 Chambers announces 'significant restructuring' and layoffs, 'including several of the studio’s co-founders' www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/den-of-wolves-studio-10-chambers-announces-significant-restructuring-and-layoffs-including-several-of-the-studios-co-founders

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[desert marlin]

Oh no!

[past mesa]

well

it could have been worse

dow could have launched

[lilac fulcrum]

I left the studio shortly before the layoffs. But it impacted a lot of good people, friends and coworkers of mine.

[tiny wyvern]

sorry to hear that

[vestal ice]

does adsing a scattergun tighten the spread of it?

[burnt inlet]

Yikes

[burnt inlet]

Nop no shotgun is affected by ads

[desert marlin]

It makes it easier to aim (RMB) right mouse button by default on keyboard and mouse (kb+m)

[dapper kestrel]

Ads for shotguns just let you shoot them faster when swapping to them

[frail heart]

it goes for any gun

and also bio

[ripe hamlet]

and it makes you feel like a gamer when you quick scope

quick scope hel rifle = peak gaming

[civic wave]

that gun is not peak!!

[ripe hamlet]

mb

quickscoping scattergun

[winter breach]

360 no scope better

[frail heart]

ONLY PLAY THE GUNS THAT I THINK ARE COOL NO META FOR YOU

[civic wave]

hel rifle feels like you're sleeping under a tree

hel gun feels like you're hopped up on adrenaline and amphetamine and are taking a kids scooter to pursue a demonically possessed Tony Hawk across Los Angeles

[frail heart]

hel gun is what people who cant play revo use

[winter breach]

Well i find hel rifle cool

So why shouldnt i use it

[frail heart]

because i said so

[winter breach]

Well idc

Still gonna use it

[frail heart]

hop on burst cannon little bro like a true good player. and while you're at it, duo r4e1 for me, show me that you're actually good. that shit better be logless as well or we are gonna have issues. i better see NO scattergun and NO hel rifle

[winter breach]

Hop on spear

Then talk to me

[frail heart]

fire

[winter breach]

https://tenor.com/view/average-chad-gigachad-fan-enjoyer-gif-21285250

[prime musk]

team doing r4e1 duo is like
the minimum to be approaching toxic vet status

[fathom ice]

true

[ripe hamlet]

im still a long way off it seems

[winter breach]

Thats why its better to use spear

[prime musk]

you're just like
a cool duo player and that's about it
but soon you can make a claim to toxic vet since it's 4e1 soon

[fathom ice]

he'd never say I'm cool

[prime musk]

no you're a pub

[ripe hamlet]

😔

[fathom ice]

see

[ripe hamlet]

at least youre not a brick

right

[prime musk]

no he is like the ultimate brick as well

[ripe hamlet]

gg

[winter breach]

Well its bc youre not cool

[fathom ice]

true

[safe cradle]

In BC's defense, I get much more satisfaction by doing 2-3 kills in 1 burst than penning with HEL Rifle.

[ripe hamlet]

burst dragging is a dophamine hit

[winter breach]

Idk i find hel rifle cooler than bc

[ripe hamlet]

but hel rifle pen line is a flow state

[burnt inlet]

Hel gun is going on a car ride with your crazy uncle driving, you dont snow if youre gonna make it out alive but its gonna be a funny ride

[winter breach]

Veruta:

https://tenor.com/view/assasin-mode-gif-10004245741319730508

[burnt inlet]

If only veruta was good

[ocean spindle]

its fun that's all that matters

[prime musk]

the run

[winter breach]

Its just as good as spear

[tardy ingot]

I did not read the level at first and was shocked thinking you got a 35 min r8e2 lol

[winter breach]

Which means its very good

Goated even

[burnt inlet]

Mhm

[ripe hamlet]

zed and sky would be cooking the best meal of their lifetime for that

imagine practising a secret strats for it

[civic wave]

given the nothing i know about r8e2 duo, i brandish this theoretically impossible

[civic wave]

yeee it's not so bad

i wanna do some cool runs when i get home, got an itching for it

[fathom ice]

unless new strat is implemented 47 ish is prob as much as u can go

[tardy ingot]

Well we didnt specify enough

R8E2 duo is def possible in that time :^ )

[civic wave]

no, nobody is running OOB unless you're the one doing it, eva

[tardy ingot]

Tbf it needs massive practice anyhow for a run thats cool for concept and the skip

[frail heart]

[lone elbow]

uhh ok so is it possible for enemies to spawn in the same room as me while doing a reactor mission

cuz i thought reactor rule was 3 rooms away type shit

and alarms rule was 2 rooms away

[burnt inlet]

Reactors spawn 2 rooms away + amount of rooms you are away from reactor

Not 3 rooms

What mission was this?

[ocean spindle]

depending on if ur cornering or ur teams separated they can spawn on u

[runic roost]

I need to know how 3 rooms came into the mix

Whoever told him 3 rooms as a rule hang mah boi now

[burnt inlet]

Held 1 room away from reactor (and another person in reactor) and saw enemies behind spawn 3 rooms away from reactor person? I dont snow

[runic roost]

I lowkey have no idea what reactor this is

2D2?

[burnt inlet]

Could be any tbh

[runic roost]

4D1?

[burnt inlet]

Except R1C1, R6D1

Bacisly any where you have a code hunt

[runic roost]

And 5B1

[burnt inlet]

R4E1 not possible too

[runic roost]

I think

[burnt inlet]

Ye R5B1 isn’t a code hunt

E2 I think also isnt possible due to layout?

[civic wave]

what level was it, and can you provide any more information on the circumstances

[burnt inlet]

And like where you held

[keen seal]

if I had to guess R4D1 alarm to the last code

that's like the only place where it's happened to me

[mystic rock]

doesn't help that reactor rule isn't even for "reactors" and isn't used by all reactors

can end up with a 0-4 room spawn with reactors

and then you have from elevator that often just works only for host's room

[undone raven]

wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[prime musk]

w hitscan melee moment

[runic roost]

Game said no

Your hitting the neck today

[ocean spindle]

not even neck just metal bar

the hitbox tbh

seems like it that

cuz u release before the circle gets there

[frail heart]

pretty sure that scout it made of metal

[ocean spindle]

tru

n not the 0067

[frail heart]

very important distinction

[minor fractal]

Looks like hitscanning the wall

if it were hitbox, it might double hit

[ocean spindle]

didnt know u could hitscan walls

tats p funny

[livid stone]

cause of mods

[safe cradle]

You jumping made it go slightly over I think

[safe cradle]

One of the times you can see something vaguely similar to what syntav posted, is when a scout is underneat a low ceiling like a platform (for example the ones found often in storage environments) and you jump to bonk it, you end up hitscanning the ceiling instead.

Because hammer arc etc etc

[frail heart]

you've got them mixed up

that scenario is due to the hitbox being an arc, not hitscan

hit scan is when the circle turns small and it will always hit that spot

thats why when you double hit you cant have hitscan

[ocean spindle]

but i swear ciircle doesnt get small when lookin at objecta

[frail heart]

when you look at enemies it does

[ocean spindle]

yeah i do see it with enemies

just not on surfaces so hitscan surfaces sounds funny

i gotta try it

[past mesa]

No

There is 5 checks hit scan wall is one of them

[civic wave]

hiiiii jish

[lone elbow]

sorry for not replying earlier, R3A3 the reactor one i was showing to my friend he was holding the hallway where the reactor room is and i was getting some tool ammo to a zone that unlocks on the left of the terminal and as the wave started im getting destroyed and see them spawning in the same room as i am

[minor fractal]

You're at max distance from reactor over there, so you can get spawned on

4th code zone is also the first time that global spawn push gets a room that is as far away as the rooms towards spawn.

[lone elbow]

ah i c

[vernal marsh]

[[Carbine]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Carbine

[ocean spindle]

:O

[vernal marsh]

:o

[ocean spindle]

look look

{{Carbine}}

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Van_Auken_CAB_F4_Carbine

GTFO Wiki

Van Auken CAB F4 Carbine

The Van Auken CAB F4 Carbine is a four-shot burst carbine that fills the main weapon slot, it was released in Rundown 003 as a rundown specific weapon.

​

Details

Weapon type

Main

Fire mode

Burst-Fire

Max ammo Bursts

376
(94 bursts)

Reserve ammo Bullet Cost Remainder

328
1.4
0.57

Magazine size Bursts

48
(12 bursts)

Starting ammo Bursts

214.29 (56.99%)
(53.57 bursts)

Ammo per refill Bursts

64.29 (17.1%)
(16.07 bursts)

Damage

(2.38 x 4) = 9.52

Precision Multiplier

0.7413333x

Precision damage

(1.764373 x 4) = 7.057493

Stagger Multiplier

1x

Damage per mag Precision

114.24
(84.689916)

Total damage Precision

894.88
(663.404344)

Rate of fire DPS

1170.73 RPM
46.44 DPS

Burst RoF DPS

1714.29 RPM
68 DPS

Reload Time Reload Cancel

1.6s
1.07s

Falloff Start Falloff End

10m
65m

[burnt inlet]

🚬

[vernal marsh]

ah

weird squiggles

[tiny wyvern]

ooo I never knew that could happen

[fathom ice]

my jaw just dropped

am I the only one who can read like all the info without even going to the link ???

that shit is mad awesome

{{R4E1}}

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/ALT://R4E1

GTFO Wiki

ALT\:/\/R4E1

ALT://R4E1: Downwards is the final expedition in ALT://Rundown 4.0.
Prisoners are tasked with distributing Power Cells to lift the ongoing Emergency Lockdown in this sector and reach the forward extraction point. This expedition introduces an Error Alarm that spawns a Boss Enemy with each wave. Furthermore, the Secondary Secondary Objective introduces a significant twist to Reactor Startup.
The expedition name, Downwards, is part of the slogan "Onwards and downwards!" used by the Santonian Mining Company.

​

Overview

Rundown

ALT://Rundown 4.0

Previous Expedition

ALT://R4D2

Next Expedition

ALT://R5A1

Sectors

Main Secondary

Environment

Mines

​

Main Main

Common Enemies

• Striker
• Shooter
• Giant
• Big Shooter
• Scout
• Hybrid

Unique Enemies

• Big Charger
• Shadow
• Big Shadow
• Shadow Scout

Boss Enemies

• Big Mother
• Tank

Infection

• Fog

​

Secondary Secondary

Common Enemies

• Striker
• Shooter
• Giant
• Big Shooter
• Hybrid

Unique Enemies

• Charger
• Big Charger
• Shadow
• Big Shadow
• Shadow Scout
• Baby Striker

Boss Enemies

• Mother

Infection

• Fog

[fathom ice]

uhh good enough

[ocean spindle]

reads preview and funny box :3

check check

dammi4 tried to do e2 in bot chat

[fathom ice]

thats a huge W

[ocean spindle]

but no embed j thi k

[fathom ice]

i'm a fan

like just big props to peeps who work on wiki

[vernal marsh]

if you do squiggly [ you can read???

woah

[ocean spindle]

yeah

:3

p cool

[cedar heath]

how can you see shadow scout's head and melee kill it? I failed most of the time and have to rely on high dmg gun

[tiny wyvern]

Flashlight
Thermals
Turn on high shadows helps I believe

[timber shoal]

or just jump and melee above triangle of ping

[prime ore]

Their tentacles appear from the neck of the scout, so just aim above the tentacles with the spear and hammer and for other 2 meeles look in which direction he is going and then hit from the opposite

The most consistent way for me atleast

[cedar heath]

thanks for the advices. I'll try to do so in my next runs

[prime musk]

it's like
assuming you can ping it
just treat it like a normal scout (like, make the same movement as you would) but you have to judge the distance based on the ping instead of what you actually see

[cedar heath]

that would take time to get used to. Shadow's visual is kinda weird in my experience

[prime ore]

The only diff from scout and shadow scout are shadow scouts are obviously invisible but they are also like giga taller right

[prime musk]

a little bit

but they also just have

a better hitbox

like their head hitbox is just larger

and non obstructed by neck and stuff

[cedar heath]

so it would be less chance to hit the neck on accident instead of the occiput, right?,

[prime ore]

Yup

[tiny wyvern]

They have licker heads, so it's easier to hit their heads... kind of

[prime ore]

Lately I've found shadow scouts like way less dangerous than normal shadows

Idk I just got so good at quickscoping them the last time I played R5E1

[timber shoal]

they're no more dangerous than regular scouts realistically

[tiny wyvern]

Unless there's like shadow giants teaming up with them they're alright

[ocean spindle]

abour equal except shadow scouts on light suck a bit

[timber shoal]

i mean shadow giants are annoying in of themselves bc of pose and whatnot

[prime ore]

Shadow giants and hybrids make me wanna doubt in my aim way more

Especially hybrids I hit him once and he starts doing backflips

[ocean spindle]

hybrids i love snipin feel sk good

[prime ore]

Yeah I was sniper duty when we played R5E1

For 5 hours

[prime musk]

w +10

[prime ore]

For me to even land a shot I'd have to wait for them to try to shoot so I can line up a shot

[prime ore]

The mission was actually so aids the first 3 hours cuz I was the only person using a long ranged weapon so I had to kill every scout

Thank fuck I didn't had to do allat on the winning run

[prime musk]

what about
the hammers
and
the scatterguns
and
the sawed offs
and
the knifes

like all of those kill scout

[prime ore]

We didn't bring scatter the first 3 hours lmao

I guess it was good 3 hours of practice since I didn't touch the game in 2 months

It was so good we won R5E1 in 1 day which is insane

And only one dude had known what atleast happens in the mission

[prime ore]

Lowk sniper is prob best weapon for R5E1 with scatter

I got so many giant and scout kills

On our winning run one of our friends woke up a guy next to a shadow scout

And I insta scoped him

It was so fun it happened twice and I saved it twice

[ocean spindle]

now imagine 3 mag sniper :[ on r5e1

cries

[prime ore]

Actually when you think about it

R5E1 has an error for 3 giants

Did they nerf that so you couldn't just clear the full error in one mag every time?

Who knows

[prime ore]

Before this I never played sniper and never thought it would be this fun just quickscoping everything instead of using hel rifle to just abuse body shots mostly

[vestal crest]

Oh wait 3 mag sniper would make that error alarm even easier than it currently is lol

[prime ore]

With 3 mag you could 1 shot all 3 giants reload and then wait for another wave

[vestal crest]

Yeah

[prime ore]

With enough ammo packs you can defend with 1 guy so it's prob got nerfed cuz of that

[vestal crest]

Especially when preparing for the surge, one person could easily clear the waves

I mean

1 person can clear anyways

But 3 mag sniper would make it so free

[prime musk]

correct sniper is a top 2 special in r5e1
with the best being scatter

[prime ore]

With sniper you don't even have to be close to the slow wave

[prime musk]

you probably slot sniper hel rifle double scatter for easiest clear

[prime ore]

So having a 2 mag makes you get close with the 3rd unless you have a teammate with another ranged weapon

[vestal crest]

Is sniper top tier for any other missions? Seems kinda niche

[prime musk]

6d1

that's like it

[vestal crest]

R6d1?

Never would’ve guessed

[prime ore]

Also R8E2 isn't it

[prime musk]

it's good in e2 but

[prime ore]

There's like a boss in every room

And a kraken fight

[prime musk]

the other good guns also are really good there so it isn't much higher in the ranking than mid

[prime ore]

For my first clear of R8E2 I GOTTA run the sniper

[prime musk]

sniper is only good into tank and pmom
and in e2 all your encounters with bosses are generally close quarters unless you force it to be distance
so scatter masssively dominates.
in r5e1 playing range is actually good

[prime ore]

You are right on that

But like scatter is literally OP on everything

The only thing that it doesn't instantly erase is probably flying enemies from a far and kraken

[vestal crest]

Any niche weapons that are good for r4e1?

[prime ore]

Burst cannon PDW and prec rifle are so good

[vestal crest]

I have bc on bot rn, pdw on code hunter, never thought about prec rifle tho

[prime ore]

There is ungodly amount of shadows in E1

[vestal crest]

Ye

[prime ore]

So prec rifle is just very good especially if you suck at shadow scout sniping

Prec rifle is the best shadow killing weapon as you can lit just hipfire it

[vestal crest]

Is it worth bringing prec rifle even if the person using it wouldn’t really help with reactor much?

[prime ore]

If the person is code hunting

Use a prec rifle

Or bio

[vestal crest]

Code hunter is currently using scatter pdw

[prime ore]

Without those 2 you are fucked 99% of the times

That's why ppl do 2 bios

One for defending and 1 for code hunting

[vestal crest]

Hmm

[uneven kiln]

not if there is fog. For some reason the PDW just ignores fog and the PR just cannot see through it whatsoever

[prime ore]

That's also why

[vestal crest]

Is it worth just running 1 turret then?

[prime ore]

Best for code hunting if you are in a quad

In our winning run

[prime musk]

pdw and pr are both pretty niche but actually solid choices on 4e1

[prime ore]

Guy with PDW burst cannon

And a guy with sawed off prec rifle

[prime musk]

pdw sniper for quickswapping shadow giants

[uneven kiln]

that sounds more correct

going double thermal on 1 person is excessive, best to split the two if you take

[prime ore]

There's no reason to take double termals

Cuz then you have 2 dog weapons for both shadow giants and bosses

[vestal crest]

Maybe have pdw on code hunter and prec rifle on the person running resources/codes?

[civic wave]

i'm just thinking right

[prime musk]

like
if you're slotting pdw it's to have information when going in for code hunt
if you're slotting pr it's to have good small clear into shadows for reactor defense

[prime ore]

And also like there's a strat I used with PDW burst cannon where I'd aim with PDW and just insta swap to burst cannon and just shot there

[civic wave]

sawed off is still better at killing shadows than pr

esp when hipfiring

oh noooooooo i don't have thermals so i can't see the enemy! let me just wait until they queue the attack and blast them lmao

[prime ore]

Let's be real

If you have

Like 500+ hours on average

PDW and PR just dont exist for you

Cuz you played so many shadow missions you already know mostly how to spot them

So that's why sawed off is just

[timber shoal]

what's the logic behind warden protocol enemy spawning

[prime ore]

Better in every way

[civic wave]

idk i still ran them on occasion for r4e1

[prime musk]

stev at 500 hours i hadn't progressed past r3

[fathom ice]

that is true

he was a pub

[uneven kiln]

and still is

[prime ore]

Dude at 200 hours I am still struggling at shadows without running bio myself

That's why I am mostly the one using it in our team

[civic wave]

pussy

[prime ore]

https://klipy.com/gifs/3fs-scary

[fathom ice]

TRUE

[prime ore]

Lowk in this server

It's better to be a pub

[ebon light]

pdw fun

[prime ore]

Some weapons are actually so funny to use but because they are like on average not good most of ppl don't pick them

[ebon light]

pdw is alright to use tbh

its dps is fine if youre really close

obv riskier to use than sawed off but sawed off is sawed off

[prime ore]

Not only pdw

I've seen exactly 0 people take slug shotgun because it's just that bad even tho it's a funny gun

[ebon light]

ive never tried slug shotgun

almost 400 hours and still some guns ive never slotted

[prime musk]

incorrect

it's like above average for a main

most good players recognise that it's a fun gun to slot whenever you're not playing for max power

[prime ore]

I played it myself and I find it good but randos that I play with 90% of times tell me it's horseshit lol

Ofc they are in the wrong but that just shows how badly ppl are brainrotted w meta which is just funny to me

If one weapon is better than the other doesn't mean the worse weapon is instantly horseshit

[ebon light]

people are harsh like that its pretty sad

but nothing wrong with running whats good

[prime ore]

I guess that

Idk I just love adding flavour to my runs

I let like 1 guy run a scatter which he hopefully doesn't have 3k hours

And 3 rest of us idiots just bring the first thing that comes to our minds that would be good for this mission

[ebon light]

i like slotting bullpup and chokemod when i pub

[prime ore]

Yk a R4E1 run doesn't go as hard until a guy who didn't do a single R4 wants to do E1 first with a assault rifle and a sniper

[ebon light]

sniper is fyre

[fathom ice]

idt u get it really

like it's more of a thing that much more people play non meta

than meta

like there's only so little of people like me and zed who call out guns and stuff

[prime ore]

I mean

How many weapons does this game have?

[fathom ice]

before r8 pulled up

[prime ore]

The number is so high I don't even remember

[fathom ice]

like 25

or smth

[prime ore]

There is so many guns to pick from there is no reason to stick to just meta

And just play around with everything

[fathom ice]

yes and people don't have to regardless

cuz you can clear anything with anything

[timber shoal]

whats the enemy spawning logic behind warden protocols

[fathom ice]

I want to say its queue but I'm not sure

@prime musk

[timber shoal]

it must be

[fathom ice]

like it is not an error

[minor fractal]

You're at a pretty large disadvantage if you play off-meta

[fathom ice]

it's events that get queued maybe?

[minor fractal]

Like, you intentionally make the game harder for yourself

[prime ore]

Yeah actually

The exact reason why people play meta

[timber shoal]

thats what i figured

[prime ore]

Is they don't wanna bother with retrying a mission over and over again when they have 2 weapons that just deals with everything

[fathom ice]

ye

[prime ore]

If you enter a mission without knowing anything

[fathom ice]

it's really not that

[prime ore]

You can just pick sawed scatter and clear it 1st attempt if you aren't stupid enough

[fathom ice]

at least for me personally

I like forcing different guns when I'm pubbing

and I stick to meta if I'm in challenge runs

which I think is valid

[fathom ice]

I do

[prime ore]

The only times I've used meta or actively asked for a specific build

[fathom ice]

It's playable

and fun with shotgun so

[prime ore]

Is when mission gets so unfun because we are stuck on 1 part of it

[fathom ice]

Ye

And I think it's valid

[prime ore]

So from there we just take the meta weapons and giga rekt

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-tf2-team-fortress-2-sfd-superfighters-gif-2189315122200271084

[timber shoal]

slug shotgun is fun

[fathom ice]

like you can play whatever but if you get stuck it's super fine to just switch gear to op

it's somewhat what I do in modded

like I don't stick to pure wave clear / boss kill or whatever

I would get my double shotgun out and call it a day

cuz I have fun playing it

even if it's not best

[prime ore]

It is mega fun to play with no meta weapons

[timber shoal]

short rifle 🤤

[prime ore]

It's just like every time I go to like play a mission with randos that isn't my team which I am mostly not doing anymore

There's always a dude that keeps calling me a dog or tells me I am selling the game

Cuz I didn't bring the exact fucking loadout he told me

That's like engraved in this community already

[civic wave]

most people are fucking idiots

like the experiences one can recount

lmao

[sick mauve]

try getting new friends?

[prime ore]

My friends are just as fine bruh

[vernal marsh]

I sure do wonder why are you not doing it anymore

[prime ore]

They are not the problem

[vernal marsh]

When we doin r6 with luci

[civic wave]

the only people you should trust to give proper advice don't care to give said advice because they just rock up to play the game and they can probably compensate

[prime ore]

Cuz I love when tsm

Keeps telling that his father will fucking behead him

If he plays with us once a month

https://tenor.com/view/ez-get-tf-out-cat-kratos-god-of-war-gif-4827313512397508571

[prime ore]

I do wonder which is worse? An average GTFOer or a league player

Cuz ik league players purely from my brother

[vernal marsh]

true!

[prime ore]

The average teammates I get in this game are either like people with like 5 hours tryna do an E tier or a guy with 3k hours jumping in thinking he is a superhero

[vernal marsh]

if you’re not playing much with us anymore just find a group here that suits you I dunno

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prime ore]

Holy dog moment

That's the point

I WANT to play with y'all so that I don't get teammates with 2 or 2k hours

[burnt inlet]

Damn breaking up with Jade

[vernal marsh]

thanks I indeed am holy

[burnt inlet]

🥀

[vernal marsh]

Ask for people with 500+ hours just to not join

guh

[prime ore]

Tbh I've been talking with her more than playing at this point lol

[prime ore]

I gotta start being specific ig lmao

[burnt inlet]

Hop on the R5E1 cs duo

[prime ore]

No need R5 is already dead

[vernal marsh]

no i get that you don't wanna pub at all

[prime ore]

I feel like jade would be proud more if I've beaten it without her atleast for the first time

[vernal marsh]

but if u really wanna play the game just do this ^

[burnt inlet]

Or roll the gamba and have fun anyways

[vernal marsh]

ehhhh

[vernal marsh]

true

[prime ore]

I've barely met anyone with hours that are close to mine

[vernal marsh]

anyways stev we should like

[burnt inlet]

It’s fun to see the newbie Strats

[vernal marsh]

play r6 with luci

cause he needs it

[prime ore]

Not at 11pm

But sure tmr

[vernal marsh]

ik

[prime ore]

W hokma supp if we have leftover time

[vernal marsh]

we are newbies 🙏

[burnt inlet]

Play R2D2 with pubs or like R4D1

Always fun missions

[burnt inlet]

Nah yall are giga ultra pubs

Wait nvm

You have less than 1k hours

[prime ore]

I guess??

[burnt inlet]

Newbie alert 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨

[prime ore]

Trying to play any mission outside of

First half

Is people with atleast 500 hours and having all clears lmao

[vernal marsh]

1.5k*

forgot that

[burnt inlet]

Surely

[burnt inlet]

Truke

[prime ore]

Every time I wanted to play R5 is always a guy above 1k hour mark

Hell when I host R5D1 I got exactly 0 people to play it which is just funny to me

[burnt inlet]

”When I hosted the worst level in the entire game no one joined”

[prime ore]

No there is worse

[burnt inlet]

Mhm?

[prime ore]

R4C3 I've actually gotten players atleast into it

[burnt inlet]

Yea cuz it’s like

[prime ore]

Even tho it's atleast for me

[burnt inlet]

Entertaining

[timber shoal]

which one

[prime ore]

The worst mission

[timber shoal]

ah

[burnt inlet]

R4C3 isn’t the worst mission at all what😭😭😭😭😭

[prime ore]

R4C3 I had exactly 0 amount of fun

[burnt inlet]

It’s like skill dependent but it is not that bad

[burnt inlet]

Oh yes let me just shadow stealth in R5D1 in respawn rooms

A key into a key into a key into an alarm

Ah yes

Great fun

And R4C2

[vernal marsh]

hm

[burnt inlet]

Find 50 items

[vernal marsh]

yes

[prime ore]

Comparing trash can to a garbage disposal

[burnt inlet]

Then go do 3 surge alarms

[prime ore]

Like those 3 missions

Are pretty close

[burnt inlet]

That are all like class 4’s or smth

[prime ore]

But all 3 are dumpster fires I had at most 1% of fun in them

[burnt inlet]

Just cuz you can’t deal with charger error 🥀

[burnt inlet]

Team R4C3 is not that bad

Entirely a skill issue ngl

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/ez-get-tf-out-cat-kratos-god-of-war-gif-4827313512397508571

[vernal marsh]

blows up kratos with mind

[burnt inlet]

Just cuz a level is hard doesn’t make it bad

[prime ore]

Still you get the idea

[burnt inlet]

Next thing you know stev is placing R5C2 in the bottom of bottoms

[prime ore]

Trying to pub outside R4 is like an impossible mission lmao

[burnt inlet]

R6 is popular

[vernal marsh]

r8 too :low_quality_troll:

[burnt inlet]

R1 is goofy cuz you got a lot of newbies but is funny

[prime ore]

Nice low quality troll

[burnt inlet]

R2D2 is pubbed a lot

[vernal marsh]

thanks

[prime ore]

R2D2 is like

Best mission out of first 3 rundowns I'd say

It's just so stupid that it's the longest reactor in the game

So many things can happen which makes it funny

[vernal marsh]

r3d1

😔

[burnt inlet]

I mean it’s a bit long but I see the vision

Personally R3A3 duo and R3C1/D1 outclass it

And that mom intro level

[prime ore]

R3D1 has like 2 really funny rooms but from there it's like an average mission

[burnt inlet]

Do you like not hold W when doing errors?

Like what’s happening stev?

Entire error is fun

Mom is fun cuz you get to see people panic at mom in fog

Alarm is fun

[prime ore]

That is the funny room

[burnt inlet]

Cscout zone is fun cuz pubs panic

[prime ore]

That and the Satan room

[burnt inlet]

And then the giga mom is fun too

[prime ore]

With like cscouts and giant chargers

[burnt inlet]

And extract is fun

And I just listed entire level btw

[prime ore]

It's like mission gets funny mostly after error cuz in error there is not that much happens

You do like one key and two alarms right?

Not too long it's not bad

But the other half is really good

[burnt inlet]

Team what are we saying 😭😭😭😭error sections are always fun

This is like spear opinions

But yea mom fight most fun

Cscout is funny if your teammate messes up

[vernal marsh]

R5A3 error

[prime ore]

I lit said "it's not bad"

It's good

[vernal marsh]

It’s just stretched too much

[prime ore]

But yk

[prime ore]

On the winning run we absolutely did

Made it even more funny

[burnt inlet]

Ok like ofc there’s exceptions to the rule

[prime ore]

Imagine this you have like 30 hours or sum

You enter the room

It's lit full of fog so all 4 of you gotta get close

And the entire room is filled with insane amount of strong enemies and a scout

Literally cannot be a better recipe for a disaster

[burnt inlet]

I wanna do that level with bots flowlowkirkenuinely

That’s lowkey not a bad idea

[dreamy socket]

Shoot the scout, then win. Simple

[prime ore]

That's the point

If you do shoot the scout you wake up atleast 30 angry enemies which are mostly giant chargers or hybrids

So when you are new at the game

That will like always happen

It's just too good

[dreamy socket]

Simply play better, then win.
If ur new, win anyway. Simply

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[timber shoal]

cscout just spawns regular smalls yeah?

[prime ore]

Pretty sure yeah

[dreamy socket]

Think so, ya

[prime ore]

If there isn't a mission that gets a R5E1 treatment and spawns chargers instead of smalls

[dreamy socket]

Fun ass mission

[tardy ingot]

R6D2 scouts spawns chargers

[ebon light]

r3d1, r2e1

[burnt inlet]

I unironically think R1C1 duo/solo > R2E1😭

[ebon light]

how many times have you played 2e1

[prime ore]

Extreme ball knowledge

[tardy ingot]

R2E1.. naaaah

[prime ore]

Around 20 times

[tardy ingot]

R3D1 is easily best of first 3 rundowns

[prime ore]

R2E1 is not it

[ebon light]

r2e1 is great imo

[terse stratus]

Guys are the mothers immune unless theyre hit on the spheres?

[prime ore]

Yup unless you hit in their tumors they practically take no damage

Same for tanks

[terse stratus]

Thanks

[tardy ingot]

tbh R2E1 isnt even top 3 for me in R2

[terse stratus]

R2E1 is horrible

[tardy ingot]

not immune
but any dmg you do is basically worthless so ya

[prime ore]

Based opinion

[little pilot]

moms take 0.1% damage to non tumors

[prime ore]

That would be fun

I should like make a tier list of all mission from R1 to R6

[tardy ingot]

stev when he uses one of the many tierlists I created

colour coded and easily readable

[ebon light]

r2e1 is my second fav mission

[tardy ingot]

F

flawed, but interesting level
pretty bleh speedrun

[prime ore]

I meant from my like how I enjoyed that mission

I am just doing it for the funnies

[ebon light]

speedrun is why i liked it

[tardy ingot]

yes

[timber shoal]

based

[tardy ingot]

I have created most of the tierlists people use

Ive myself made one for
enjoyment/design
difficulty blind
difficulty with knowledge
speedrunning any%
speedrunning 100%

and prob 1 or 2 more

[burnt inlet]

7 clears iirc

[burnt inlet]

I’ve been think about making one

Enjoyment

I just realized that every D2 level is B or above for me lmao

[tardy ingot]

D2s are genuinely big Ws

[prime ore]

R6D2 is such a based mission

[burnt inlet]

R6D2 might be the only B tier

Rest A or S/S+

[tardy ingot]

the fuck

can we send moth into the mines

[burnt inlet]

Ok like

It’s fun

It’s good

It’s upper B tier

Name one D2 that’s worse

[tardy ingot]

R2, R4, R5, R8

eh R8 is debatable tbh

other 3 for sure though

[burnt inlet]

Eva i love shooting galleries

[tardy ingot]

and R6D2 is one

[burnt inlet]

R2D2 is like A tier

[tardy ingot]

imo for the D2s
R7>R6/R8>R5>>R2>R4

[burnt inlet]

Doing R8 dirty

R8D2 is my fav mission

[tardy ingot]

its quite good

but it has flaws

[burnt inlet]

Ok you run for a bit

[fathom ice]

I genuinely don't know how you think 6D2 sec is good

[tardy ingot]

it isnt

[fathom ice]

or main doesn't have flaws

[tardy ingot]

well tbh

[fathom ice]

so?:

[tardy ingot]

the secondaries weakest part is the uplink itself

[burnt inlet]

I like R6D2 sec…

[tardy ingot]

everything else is rly sick

[fathom ice]

not

really?

[timber shoal]

i think the tank door surprise is funny

[burnt inlet]

Ye

[tardy ingot]

yes, really

[fathom ice]

u have a terrible flyer alarm

[tardy ingot]

I like that too ya (though I wouldve liked a lil bit more)

[burnt inlet]

I like that alarm😭

[tardy ingot]

the flyer alarm works, is actually decently executed and is a breath of fresh air

the double uplink is executed poorly due to the piss poor tile for it

[timber shoal]

its a cool gimmick kinda like the r8b2 extract

where you're looking the wrong direction

[tardy ingot]

R6D2 main is the best execution of a (pseudo) gather objective

[timber shoal]

and dont expect the threat behind you

[burnt inlet]

Ehrm R4C2

[tardy ingot]

it has nice paths that you can all chose to play aggro

[tardy ingot]

ok banned

[burnt inlet]

😭

[tardy ingot]

that one is rly sick too ya
(way better than R6D2 tank though)

[timber shoal]

oh for sure

[tardy ingot]

the big flyer one for sec specifically

is

[timber shoal]

id been making jokes about a bunch of flyers spawning from the elevator prior to ever playing b2

and i was so happy they actually did it

[fathom ice]

I disagree but sure

[frail heart]

It’s not samdown !!!!

[burnt inlet]

Samdown boring

Like

It’s just split up simulator

Sam literally just copied levels of vanilla and said “ye run ts duo” and smooshed together two vanilla levels into one level

Like its so boring and goofy

[frail heart]

Nah I think samdown has some good levels

No one asks me to play modded anymore anyway 😔 😔

[burnt inlet]

I think vanilla is better designed than samdown ngl

[tardy ingot]

get back your good internet and we can

smh

[minor fractal]

Duo/duo just plays decently

and genuinely makes for some good hard content

Samdown's biggest issues are level length and weapon balance

Mains feel kind of ass and boss kill is very one-dimensional

Meanwhile you have all of the multi-pen wave clear as in vanilla, so it's the only fun role.

[minor fractal]

It's pretty hard to design multiple back-to-back difficult encounters that are balanced for quad.

[ripe hamlet]

forced split is just so based

[minor fractal]

Vanilla doesn't need to work as hard to engage the entire team because the vast majority of content is just not meant to be that hard. Two people can be doing most things while two other people mostly tag along if there's enough of a skill difference between players. If we were judging vanilla's ability to offer comparably engaging content, vanilla is significantly worse at that than Samdown both because there is a lack of complex teamplay and because the required skill is far enough below the ceiling that 1-2 players can fully compensate for anything their teammates are not doing.

[mossy aurora]

Boss kill is a fun role...

[minor fractal]

It's fun to play Sniper when in the mood for Sniper

And it's fun to play flex if a level is relaxed enough to afford it

[mossy aurora]

Is choke mod still op in it

[minor fractal]

Idk tbh

Slug mod is fine, I think Sniper is probably generally better and maybe underrated

But it depends on enemies a little

[mossy aurora]

Split parts were always pretty fun imo, definitely forces each person to carry their own weight

[minor fractal]

Samdown does it correctly in a lot of ways, too.

Played some Vega recently, and the splits there fucking suck because you get moved to fully separate zones and wipe if one part dies

[mossy aurora]

Saying that a map is just vanilla but split up doesn't apply at all to parts where it's hold and push objs

Time and resource don't apply the same

[minor fractal]

Yeah

the splitting is because there are multiple things you need to do

It comes from threats in the level itself.

And people can move back and forth to react to what the other is doing

[mossy aurora]

Ray did u ever play the legacy omicron map?

[minor fractal]

Don't think so

[mossy aurora]

The one where u only get HUD if you're in range of those blue beacons

[minor fractal]

Def not

[frail heart]

wtf

[mossy aurora]

That one had hold/terminal finding shit that was in like different dimensions which was pretty cool

Tough map tho

[safe cradle]

Aim does a lot in general in most maps tbh

Did R6CX with 3 people that never done it before and we all had the same damage output more or less

no checkpoint, relatively smooth

I've had groups there where its just painful because 1-2 players simply refuse to do damage

Same story for R8B4 Secondary

No, it aint the tactics that fuck us

its that it's me and the other guy doing 75% of the damage

I've perhaps repeated it among the years but great aim allows you to clear content more than technical knowledge does