gtfo-related-questions

[normal granite]

Speaking of R4 solo

@prime musk have you done R4C3 PE solo?

[fathom ice]

Jade did

@mystic rock

[mystic rock]

R4c3 pe solo is fine but if you're trying for absolutely no kite then you need to roll the west door for key on main because rolling east just forces south east spawns constantly and it's just not shootable because their stair path there is so close to the scanning area so they just lick you from above with no pen chance

Oh and rolling the hsu closest to tank bd is just a reset because they spawn so close and keep splitting and you're fighting in fog

[upbeat flame]

Oh so you’d want HSU in 322?

[mystic rock]

absolutely

it's infinitely more playable

you either get a spawn left which is a very easy kill and very far or a right spawn which is close but pretty nice line

[upbeat flame]

Hmmm

[mystic rock]

I took mines cause really needed something efficient on the tool department

did it with no boosters and used basically the entire level's worth of ammopacks

[timber shoal]

[[Flyer]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Flyer

[prime musk]

what jade has said

if you're fine with kiting it isn't really that bad actually

[silent creek]

Why did the lock Mini game change colors to blue and Not do that really cool three d effect thingy anymore

Does the echo chamber have an answer?

[uneven kiln]

that was changed before even R1 released

so much so those assets do not even exist anymore

[silent creek]

Okay , cause I was watching some media from forever ago and I was like , wow , that hot

I wish I had orange bars on my screen

I do like the new 14 like actually being able to do it

But there's just something captivating about the really old version

To me

[dull geyser]

what are some of the better guns to use?

[burnt inlet]

Hel weapons, burst canon, scattergun

[dull geyser]

what about things like the carbine pdw and dmr

[burnt inlet]

Carbine is decent afaik, other two are meh or bad (not sure though)

MAIN
Oppressive: Sawed-Off
Best-in-slot: HEL Shotgun / HEL Revo
Second-choice: Carbine / DMR / HEL Autopistol
Niche or Mediocre: DTR / PDW / Pistol / Slug Shotgun / Burst Rifle
Bad: Machine Pistol / Burst Pistol / Rifle
Excessively Bad: SMG / Heavy SMG / Bullpup
No Redeeming Qualities: Assault Rifle

SPECIAL
Oppressive: Scattergun
Best-in-slot: HEL Gun / HEL Rifle / Burst Cannon
Second-choice: Combat Shotgun / High-Cal / Shotgun
Niche or Mediocre: Revo / Sniper / Precision Rifle / Choke Mod
Bad: Short Rifle / Veruta
Excessively Bad: Arbalist / HAR

credits to Rayalot

Here’s a list by a vet

[mystic rock]

yeah but ray smells

[burnt inlet]

Would ping ray but cba

[frail heart]

revo is goated guys dont trust this list

[tiny wyvern]

is it really?

[burnt inlet]

It feels good so it must be good

[frail heart]

its good for solo

[prime musk]

my most recent opinion(s):
Main:
sawed off >> hel shotgun > Hel revo, hel autopistol > dmr, pdw > carbine, dtr > rifle, pistol, burst rifle > burst pistol, smg, hsmg machine pistol > bullpup, assault rifle
special:
scattergun >> hel rifle > hel gun, burst cannon > sniper, revolver, combat shotgun > high cal, shotgun, choke mod > precision rifle > veruta, arbalist, har

[frail heart]

i feel like carbine over pdw is a little crazy

[ocean spindle]

backwards

pdw over carbine

[frail heart]

oh yeah

thats what i meant

[ocean spindle]

but yeahh thats insane

[frail heart]

carbine > pdw imo

[ocean spindle]

also burst rifle still so low sads

[prime musk]

pdw has reason to be slotted at times. carbine doesnt

[ocean spindle]

so thats why revo is above..... shotgun

[frail heart]

but thats like saying sniper has reason to be slotted sometimes and shotgun doesnt, but shotgun is probably better than sniper

[ocean spindle]

?

[prime musk]

well yes i also put sniper > shotgun

like im aware my tierlist is pretty off in a lot of ways

but it's like
a ranking of pickability in their desired situations

weighed a bit by their actual strength as a gun

[ocean spindle]

thats an oddly vague and specific prompt for a tierlist

whats the pick situation for revo

im curious

[prime musk]

any situation in which you want small clear with good eco and good uptime

which is

virtually every level that doesn't feature chargers or nightmares

[timber shoal]

outcompeted by hel gun though

[ocean spindle]

which is why hel guns above

[prime musk]

revo is also pretty good into bosses

[frail heart]

i would rank stuff as if you remove the guns above then what would you prefer out of the remaining

[ocean spindle]

but i think combat shhottie does quite a lot better in that

[frail heart]

combat shotty is prolly better in a team setting

[prime musk]

combat shotty is cqc waveclear/babykill/wave control
while revo is mid range waveclear with perfect uptime

[ocean spindle]

not convinced but oh well
i dont hhave a tierlist cuz my opinions are boring

except on the fun department

[prime musk]

omg what's the fun ranking

[ocean spindle]

i think my tierlist died cuz it was on media

[frail heart]

WOW almost as if media was an IMPORTANT channel

[ocean spindle]

:[

my clips

i had a funny clip of me missing a scout with revo

ill redo my fun tierlist

[prime musk]

found it

[ocean spindle]

omgg

lemme see

is old

oh is it urs or

is it mine i have no idea

i guessin mine cuz i ranked ar high-ish lol

[prime musk]

it is yours

i went through media and found it

[ocean spindle]

yippiee

i disagree in many points

updated version, some of these r very driven by trackpad gaming

[silent creek]

I enjoy the slug shotgun and the precision rifle.But that's solely so that I can remove the rest animation and use the thermal to sneak around

[ocean spindle]

that sounds like an agonizing combo ngl

[silent creek]

It's\nGreat , as long as I never miss

[ocean spindle]

also u can remove the anim from settings

[silent creek]

Ye

[silent creek]

I removed the animation so that I could use it So that I never have to turn on my flashlight

Like, I do, turn it on once.I've cleared a space but other than that , I don't turn it on

It's just so much easier for me

And of course , I change it for reactors

[ocean spindle]

so odd
i like the anim so i just keep it and i am v flashlight intensive
i like thermals i just dont like the 4 second reload of prec rifle

and slug shottie is fine but admittedly underwhelming for me cuz

i dont wanna aim

[silent creek]

Ye.\nAh, the reload's definitely annoying.But I generally keep more than twenty to thirty meters between me and whatever i'm shooting at

So\nIt's not that big of a problem

[silent creek]

Yeah I really love aiming

But my play style is mostly if there's a horde , I distanced myself from it , pick them off and then run away again

Like , if i'm anywhere within ten meters of an alerted sleeper , then i've already failed my play style if it's Not an alarm

[ocean spindle]

yeah i just- do, at whatev range i am, cuz sometimes u dont have a choice in some alarms
plus trackpad gaming

so shotguns my beloved

[silent creek]

Yeah I totally get it

[ocean spindle]

the exception is r6d1

which sniper my beloved

[sudden nexus]

horrible tierlist

cs is so much fun

[primal silo]

What is a good solo loadout. i took a long break from the game and now i am back

[frail heart]

sawed off and then it depends on the level for special

[prime musk]

depending on strats some very specific levels want a different main weapon, but it's sawed off for 99% of cases

[tiny wyvern]

What do you take instead?
(genuine question)

[prime musk]

on r6d2, if you're doing full kiting strats, hel shotgun is preferable as it is just stronger into the beginning section (which is the only non kiting part)

it's just a lot of babies to deal with

in r1b2 you take dmr probably as well

just because it's r1b2

i think there's a solid argument for slotting something other than sawed off for 6d1 as well
probably slug or dmr

r7d1 is probably dmr as well actually

[upbeat flame]

Is there any level where shadows are such a problem pdw or prec rifle is a slot for solo

[prime musk]

for 7d1 you do slot pr

but it's only because

you deadass kite shadows for 25 minutes or something

and then

you kite shooters for 25 minutes

and then

level is done

probably more like 2 hours of kiting total actually but

you get it

[upbeat flame]

Wow, sensational

[prime musk]

the main thing with shadows in solo is that

if you're under time pressure (ie error alarm or smth) then you just shift to kiting the shadows

and if it is shadow giants you just blast them and then kite

in vanilla there just aren't any levels where you're forced to stand your ground vs shadows

(in solo)

[frail heart]

Basically TLDR don’t solo

Unless kiting gets you going

[upbeat flame]

Yeah wasn’t planning on it cuz I’m not psychotic

But whatever floats ya boat

[prime musk]

actually now that i think about it

i think

r2c1

you slot pr

and i think it is correct and optimal

[upbeat flame]

What even was c1

Terminal uplink?

[prime musk]

3 uplinks

shadows

see there is a reason it took me a moment to remember it is a level that exists

[upbeat flame]

Right that one, pretty forgettable

I only remember c2 cuz that’s the whole

Introduce error

[prime musk]

im bored make a pub and pick a level

[upbeat flame]

Bruh I’m going to SLEEP, gotta wake up and volunteer tmrw

LMAO

[stiff hearth]

R6bx?

[frail heart]

kite

[ocean spindle]

r8e2 third VI?

[prime musk]

kite

like slendi

shadows are slow

they are ALWAYS kiteable unless you're like
on a huge S scan or something

or you actually just don't have any rooms

[ocean spindle]

not like i dont know

calm down ksdmksm

thats why i said VI cuz it has an ending S scan

[undone raven]

someone get on r8e2 duo

[ocean spindle]

no

[fathom ice]

@mystic rock

[mystic rock]

Syntav hates me

[undone raven]

i dont hate anyone

[fathom ice]

zed is promoting himself as well

pick one

[undone raven]

zed and jade can fight to the deaht

[prime musk]

i think jade would like
destroy me

im a pub

[undone raven]

yeah me too

[mystic rock]

I get it

Zed would lose on purpose

He a freak like that

[undone raven]

ohhhhh

[undone raven]

so do you wanna play or do you actually hate me instead

[mystic rock]

Maybe in a few minute to an hour

[undone raven]

kk

[mystic rock]

Eating and might keep playing a bit

Also working on a mod

[prime musk]

omg it's the jadedown

[mystic rock]

No

A ui mod

[prime musk]

ok so

jadedown is releasing when

[mystic rock]

To allow for full customization of the in game ui

Idk not keen on datablock kind of modding

[undone raven]

ohh i want that so i can see my mag without equipping my gun

because i dont count my bullets

[mystic rock]

Already a feature right now

Can force every weapon to have selected state

[keen seal]

just compulsively reload whenever you have downtime

[undone raven]

i do obv

[prime musk]

syntav hop on e2 duos

[undone raven]

shore

[undone raven]

sigh

[fathom ice]

gg

[ripe hamlet]

why is it overexposed

[undone raven]

idk

[calm pulsar]

Me when I sigh

[undone raven]

when i take a windows screen shot it increases my gamma

[ripe hamlet]

actually cheating

invalid run fr

[upper ginkgo]

syntav turning up the gamma so they can see shadows

[livid stone]

hdr

[ocean spindle]

cuz we all seeing it

it very exposed

[ripe hamlet]

mod

explode his pc

make his cloud backup corrupted

[burnt inlet]

Mods, delete short formed content

[ripe hamlet]

mods

force yt algo to only recommend ai slops

[burnt inlet]

Mods delete sneks freedom of speech

Mods force me to breathe a rag soaked in chloroform

[upbeat flame]

mods atp just kill them

[ocean spindle]

:[

[ripe hamlet]

Kink

[unreal ocean]

where did @dry prairie go?

[frail heart]

not my goat

[unreal ocean]

he's been oddly quiet lately 🙂

[ocean spindle]

should i go to sleep or stay awake another 4 hours

✨

[unreal ocean]

what is sleep? (unless you have work)

[ocean spindle]

uni

but close enough

[unreal ocean]

sleep but alarm and coffee

and maybe Celsius

[ocean spindle]

wdym celcius

like

have a thermometer?

[unreal ocean]

Celsius (energy drink - 200mg caffeine 2 x per day limit)

[ocean spindle]

9h fuck wnergy drinks

they do absolutely nothinf to me

caffeine is shit for me, might as well have a nap

and most taste like gone off soda

✨

[unreal ocean]

shrug. try celsius pineapple ginger or kiwi strawberry and tell me it did nothing. stuff usually works a tide for a couple hours for me or more and long last even at half a can.

usually kicks better than coffe and less jitters than monster

or cold brew

but legit. man... GO TO SLEEP!

[ocean spindle]

fine

one more mental breakdown ans ill sleep

[grizzled patrol]

Must be a hermit crab then

[frail heart]

caffeine makes me shit everywhere

but i drink it anyway

monsters are goated

[grizzled patrol]

Rehab peak

All other Monsters meh

[frail heart]

people who say bad apple is good are tweaking

i like mango loco, the white one, ultra peachy keen, uhhhhh other ones

[grizzled patrol]

Bad Apple enjoyers Just Like drinking nitric acid

[frail heart]

i try to drink the sugar free ones tho

[grizzled patrol]

The sugar free taste terrible imho

Ultra is good, but everything Else is Just...no

[frail heart]

artificial sweeteners haters 🥀

you just havent tried enough flavours

[grizzled patrol]

I have tried them all. Out of all sugar free ones Lewis Hamilton is defo the best

[frail heart]

i think my step mum thinks artificial sweeteners give you cancer

[frail heart]

ok bro ur actually tripping

that one is like MEGA mid

if not ass

oh wait

[grizzled patrol]

Mb in Aussieland

[frail heart]

im thinking of lando norris one

that one is ass

i havent tried lewis hamilton

[grizzled patrol]

Its good, it doesnt taste Like battery acid Like all other sugar free ones

[frail heart]

nah man i like the sugar free ones

ultra peachy keen is fire

[grizzled patrol]

I Bet you buy the watermelon one even If its Not on discount

[grizzled patrol]

Now that i think about it. I think there was a study proving it, but you have to Drink Like 17 cans a day

Good luck surviving that

[frail heart]

nah never had that one

[frail heart]

you have to drink like 20 cans of diet coke to reach the maximum daily limit pretty sure

and at that points theres other things that will do more damage lmao

like the water

[grizzled patrol]

"Why wouldnt you want to eat 1000 bananas in one sitting"

[normal granite]

all energy drinks suck

[frail heart]

nah they taste fire

[little pilot]

they taste nice, i like my 1 monster pre speedrun session

[dreamy socket]

Ultra Rosa for breakfast, lunch and dinner

[winter breach]

Water is better

[burnt inlet]

Yes !!!!!

[tardy ingot]

Water > energy drinks

[frail heart]

bros stating the obvious

i will still drink my energy drinks

[long atlas]

I like chasing my 2 liter mountain dew with a shot of water

[burnt inlet]

Coke > energy drinks, wakes me up better

[tardy ingot]

damn moss is a druggie

[burnt inlet]

Yeppers

Those who snow

[winter breach]

Yes cuz it aint clear enough

[wraith wedge]

I need to get to class work soon but need to aska question

Me and my 2 friends been playing r7e1

And I just realized that the immortal is supposed to despawn after a certain point, we didn't know that we've been trying to play through it thinkin it's intentional

Is that a bug caused by some mod we'd be running or is that something in the base game that bugged recently?

[digital mural]

the immortal "despawns" after you come back from destination

[burnt inlet]

Despawns after coming back

[surreal lodge]

I ate it

[wraith wedge]

Yeah that didn't happen the last 2 times we've played

He's respawned in the room after the jump

[burnt inlet]

Brazil skip is that you 🥹

Send modlist

[digital mural]

guys pls no brazil skip, brazil is cool

[burnt inlet]

The only time ive done R7E1 was via not going to Brazil

I didn’t become a footballer that listened to phonk

[surreal lodge]

I slept in my skips

[burnt inlet]

Samesies got mega giga carried

[surreal lodge]

not carried but boring

[burnt inlet]

Well i did my job

But i didnt snow how to do my job

[surreal lodge]

No matter how we do R7E1 it is always so boring

[burnt inlet]

Dont kill tanks

Live with a few more Pablo’s

[surreal lodge]

We should do shrimp%

[burnt inlet]

But i thought you didnt like shrimp

[surreal lodge]

We do not talk about that

[burnt inlet]

Can’t be cheating smh

[surreal lodge]

no no I like shrimp

[wraith wedge]

Dm it to you right? They don't want modlist here right

[burnt inlet]

Curious

Sure

[surreal lodge]

I just became shrimpless after a failed attempt

[burnt inlet]

Rory failing? Unheard of

The R5E1 cs lobby is still lfging?

[wraith wedge]

I can post the code here iA just didn't remember if mods weren't supposed to be talked about or not

[surreal lodge]

it will live

[burnt inlet]

Mods are fine nowadays

[timber shoal]

rules are outdated, mods are fine

[surreal lodge]

YOU are outdated

joking

ly

[burnt inlet]

If you use cheat mods we will shun you slightly but like its whatever

[burnt inlet]

Wow so mean

[surreal lodge]

yk me

[burnt inlet]

Barely

You pop up every once in a while

[surreal lodge]

OK my bad

I got things to do and pubbing is not like it use to be

[burnt inlet]

Yea ur bad for not interacting with a like moody ass community 😭

[burnt inlet]

So true

[surreal lodge]

facts

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068284122830745621/1441214846489333860/Shrimp.gif

[burnt inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234984645884641351/1284637853405675620/IMG_4719.gif

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-shrimp-check-posture-gif-5966522503887123243

[wraith wedge]

@burnt inlet 019c44b7-7d3b-c0c3-07bc-79edc4ea6f4c

[surreal lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-shrimp-check-posture-gif-5966522503887123243

[wraith wedge]

That should be the mod list the host is using

[burnt inlet]

I’m not at my pc i cant check 😭

[wraith wedge]

Darn

[burnt inlet]

Just like take screenshots surely its not that long

Or Rory checks it

[surreal lodge]

I gottchu

[wraith wedge]

It's kinda long lol

[burnt inlet]

Surely its all bug fixes

[wraith wedge]

He plays solo stuff and modded rundowns so he turns off stuff

mostly yeah]

[burnt inlet]

Why not create separate profiles

What

[surreal lodge]

jesus

[burnt inlet]

This prolly is why the game bugging out 😭

[surreal lodge]

Ya kinda big for a QoL pack lol

[burnt inlet]

😭

Tell em to organize the mods

[surreal lodge]

right off the bat you have Console in it

[burnt inlet]

By like modded rundown or whatever

[burnt inlet]

😭

[surreal lodge]

I will dm you

[wraith wedge]

Okey

[wraith wedge]

I mean we've gotten throuhg every level till now without issue so
byeah

[burnt inlet]

Eh i think still the simpler it is for all parties involving the duct taped together game the better

[wraith wedge]

Yeah that's why we set it and forget it ez

I don't touch anything lol

[burnt inlet]

😭

Ok honestly if im gonna be real

I saw the modlist

I’d suggest just like

Creating a new profile

And like not even running that many mods

[wraith wedge]

I mean we'll figure it out I just wondered if it was a known issue you guys already knew the solution to

So we'll figure it out in time

Or just roll with it

ty for the help

[burnt inlet]

Honestly a ton of these aren’t needed at all

[sudden nexus]

you only need archive and gtfr

[burnt inlet]

^

And also ur not gaining achievements cuz of cconsole

[wraith wedge]

?

It's disabled

[surreal lodge]

CConsole clears for levels will not count to the Main/Secondary/Ovl clears on the achievements

YOu get a +1 but it is a dev +1 end screen

[burnt inlet]

Nop it isnt 😭

[wraith wedge]

??

If they didn't import enabled disabled then that's not gonna help I guess lol

[surreal lodge]

At least it is disabled

I am not downloading all your mods ngl

I just pulled the list

[wraith wedge]

Ah okay

[surreal lodge]

Cause that is a massive modlist for vin running

[wraith wedge]

Well if the immortal tank respawning isn't a known thing then that's that and we'll figure it out o our own

[burnt inlet]

What does STFU even do?

I like have no clue about 75% of these mods

[surreal lodge]

logs on console

So like all the stuff sent to your console is reduced to more important lines only

[burnt inlet]

Oh

[ripe hamlet]

why are there so many dev mods stuff

[surreal lodge]

yuh

[surreal lodge]

I already like this person with the keep media dead

[ripe hamlet]

it has to be done

[burnt inlet]

Genuinely id try running a profile that just has the archive

[runic roost]

HOLY FU-

[tardy ingot]

Why even have most of these

[surreal lodge]

yuh I am looking more into it

[runic roost]

Now this

This is adhd incarnate

[surreal lodge]

ya

[burnt inlet]

No like

The list is bigger

[tardy ingot]

oof

[burnt inlet]

I’ve never heard or been affected by some of these fixes/bugs

[runic roost]

Got that CC on standby too

[tardy ingot]

thats genuinely not a mod list

wtf

[runic roost]

Thats just a list

[surreal lodge]

yuh I am still conflicted on some of the ones

[wraith wedge]

Well I'm off to go do school work now

[burnt inlet]

o7 good luck

[wraith wedge]

If any of you figure out which mods is causing the issue greatly appreciated to get a ping

[burnt inlet]

But yea id suggest trying to not run modded/light modded and see if that fixes it

[wraith wedge]

And remember not my mod list so I can't vouch for most of it i just run it

I could yeah

We'll see if we figure it out

[burnt inlet]

Cuz it might be taht some of these are conflicting with one another

[wraith wedge]

ONly got like 1 day this week we can play so we'll just roll with it if nothing works

[burnt inlet]

Yuuuur

[wraith wedge]

I'm guessing it's gonna be one of the mods affecting enemy spawns, one of those fixes for it

[burnt inlet]

“Fixes”

Tihi

[runic roost]

Atp just make one yourself

[wraith wedge]

We played r6d4 before and had perma combat when playing unmodded

[surreal lodge]

I can send you a normal QoL mod list if you want

[runic roost]

That dosnt have the entire database on it

[burnt inlet]

happens

[wraith wedge]

Nah I'm okay ty for the offer

[burnt inlet]

I can even send mine too, mine isnt as much QoL as it only has the archive and bug fixes but whatever

[runic roost]

Youll probably want it…..

Or else sifting through every mod on there is gonna be an E mission

[burnt inlet]

Some of those mods are a bit like iffy on first clear of gtfo cuz like they undermine the difficulty aspect

[wraith wedge]

We're still having fun

Idk which ones you mean exactly anyhow

[burnt inlet]

Eh fairs ig

Betterbots and zombified initiative are specific ones

[wraith wedge]

I suppose yeah that's prolly the biggest one

[upbeat flame]

What does zombified initiative do?

[surreal lodge]

Bettercommands for bots

[burnt inlet]

Can control bots even more but like

[upbeat flame]

Oh cool

[burnt inlet]

You can essentially stealth kill every enemy in the game except Pablo

AFAIK at least

Heard diff stuff about it

[wraith wedge]

But having a dumb bot isn't really condusive for fun I'd say

[wraith wedge]

WE can do that but we don't

[upbeat flame]

Can’t normal bots also stealth kill pretty well?

[burnt inlet]

🤷

[upbeat flame]

I’m talking giants anyways

[wraith wedge]

Like at most I've seen him kill like one guy delibrately every few rundown levels
But like hes' standing right next to them anyway so it's no biggie

We don't abuse it

[burnt inlet]

I mean you can tell them to initiate melee

[wraith wedge]

Really just making them not be dumb idiots and yummers the packs from us

That's the biggest thing

[burnt inlet]

Fairs ig but you can control that without mods

[wraith wedge]

Can you tell them to not pick up packs?

And such?

[ripe hamlet]

no

[tardy ingot]

you stand next to the box/locker

[ripe hamlet]

you will have to manipulate their ai to do it

its quite annoying

[surreal lodge]

I just never use bots so I never need to deal with it

[wraith wedge]

Yeah that's the main thing we use it for is just turning it on and off when we need to

[burnt inlet]

Eh not that bad

[wraith wedge]

(it's more enjoyable having a bot that isn't quite as stupid)

[burnt inlet]

If you start to give them a pack they’ll cancel anything theyre doing

And as eva said stand next to box

[wraith wedge]

[surreal lodge]

I think the main point Moth is trying to convey is the list you sent is more then a QoL modlist and really odd for a first clear run

Like if it is fun keep going I am not gonna say it is bad

[wraith wedge]

I know but I'm not looking to be convinced just looking for a fix that's all

And if we don't know the fix that's fine too!

[tardy ingot]

But like ngl

The list has so many unnecessary mods that are likely leading to issues

[wraith wedge]

Just figured to ask since a google search didn't turn up anything right away

[burnt inlet]

And that it’s prolly breaking stuff with so many mods ngl

[surreal lodge]

exactly

[tardy ingot]

on top of there being 1 or 2 non qol mods aswell

[surreal lodge]

I think there is multiple mods causing this issue with spawn bugging

but I would also need to go load it up and check it myself to make sure

[raven copper]

mods of doom

[tardy ingot]

the fix is likely running with a more typical qol mod list and then adding stuff you REALLY want

[surreal lodge]

What moth was trying to say^^^^^

[tardy ingot]

like if you want to not have bots pick up packs that wont break a normal mod list

But this list is…

A library

[wraith wedge]

of runia...

Anyhoo yeah we'll figure it out ty for the help fellas

[silent creek]

Does anybody know if there's any actual reason to use Shelling nano

Cause like i've not found a situation where I would ever want it

[timber shoal]

burst pistol 🤤

[burnt inlet]

Which guns that (we use the non manufacturers name)

[silent creek]

Oh

The pistol that bangs twice

[ripe hamlet]

this pistol got games

[silent creek]

Yeah the burst pistol

[wraith wedge]

That's a great name

I love it

[burnt inlet]

Burst pistol is like bad afaik

[silent creek]

Cause like i've never found a situation where the hell auto pistol wasn't better

[timber shoal]

short answer: not really

[silent creek]

Or the normal pistol wasn't better

[burnt inlet]

Hel autopiss also more fun

[silent creek]

It feels like a love child of the two

[silent creek]

Hell auto pistol and combat shotgun , my beloved

[timber shoal]

long answer: burst pistol is one of the worst guns in the game and really isnt viable outside of killing basic strikers

[burnt inlet]

If you want a shit gun run assault rifle 😭

[wraith wedge]

Oh does it really have the worst ttk of the primaries

Lol?

[tardy ingot]

burst pistol is quite weak

Not quite bottom 2

[timber shoal]

its close i believe

[tardy ingot]

but also def not solid or even good

[burnt inlet]

It’s bald like Jeff bezos

[silent creek]

Okay , cause I have a friend that swears by it and they make me feel like i'm going insane

[wraith wedge]

What is lower you think?

[ripe hamlet]

use carbine if you want semi auto

[burnt inlet]

Assault rifle

[timber shoal]

assault rifle methinks

[burnt inlet]

No its bad

[wraith wedge]

really?

[tardy ingot]

Typical AR/bullpup user style

[timber shoal]

automatic weapons in this game are not good

[burnt inlet]

Yes

It’s sososososoos bad

[timber shoal]

besides auto pistols

[silent creek]

I mean , the combat shotguns pretty good , and you can just hold down on that

[timber shoal]

and even those arent very good

[ripe hamlet]

hel shotty and combat shotty be like

[silent creek]

At least as far as crowd control for me goes

[tardy ingot]

Shotgun

[timber shoal]

outside of shotguns i meant

[silent creek]

Ah

[burnt inlet]

Ehrm achtually hel shotty

[tardy ingot]

Full auto typically encompases weapons that are designed for full auto brr

[silent creek]

I thought you meant the Gun action

[surreal lodge]

sawed off is bottom 1 worse gun trust

[timber shoal]

being smgs machine guns assault rifles

[tardy ingot]

And arent shotguns

[wraith wedge]

I should try it sometime then lol

[burnt inlet]

TRUTH NUUUUKE

[surreal lodge]

can't change my mind

[wraith wedge]

Prolyl headshots it's bad

[burnt inlet]

Surely

[tardy ingot]

precision rifle weirldy is also full auto

But we dont count it as one

[wraith wedge]

but body shots yoo

Cooking

[ripe hamlet]

nah thats scatter

[silent creek]

It is such a slow full auto that it's practically semi auto

[ripe hamlet]

its full auto because you went into auto pilot mode when reloading

[tardy ingot]

it actually shooty quite fast

If you hold down left click

[silent creek]

Like I in real life , i've slammed fired pump actions faster than that gun fires

[ripe hamlet]

you can take a nap in one reload cycle

[burnt inlet]

Scatter and hel rifle and sawed off is like bottom of the barrel shit, scraping the barrel with that one

[ripe hamlet]

real and true

be a chad and pick hel revo hel gun

always

[neat vapor]

its actually a very useful feature

[silent creek]

You could cook a five course meal in that reload cycle

That reload cycle is so long that when i'm perched at a vantage point by the time I reload , strikers have run sixty meters towards me

[ripe hamlet]

you can two shot scouts with like almost every gun in the game

[burnt inlet]

Ima be chadette an run that

Skill level rises like crazy after slotting that

[neat vapor]

this is a one shot

[silent creek]

I'm confused about the scout with the precision rifle.Because I've shot it in the head with a precision rifle.Well , it's tentacles , we're in and it didn't do anything

It's still just when you know what i'm going to scream about it

[ripe hamlet]

you headshot it and it die

unless its too far

then you are possibly cooked

[silent creek]

Yeah, I.\nThink it might be that i'm shooting from too far with the rifle

I've never really figured out the effect of range , and I should probably look that up at some point

[ripe hamlet]

iirc it doesnt have that good of a range

[neat vapor]

pr stops one shotting scouts at ~35-40m

[silent creek]

Oh.\nWell then that makes sense

[burnt inlet]

Woa crazy range

[ripe hamlet]

35040m is quite large

[burnt inlet]

Nvm

[burnt inlet]

Thats what im sayin

Kinda

Massive

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-ninjaishyper-low-taper-fade-massive-crazy-gif-13735679314385451792

[silent creek]

And here I am two Zone sections away from it

Wondering why at like 60 to 80 m?Nothing's happening

I guess it's my fault for expecting it to be sort of similar to literally any rifle in real life

[neat vapor]

it can go farther with back damage but i wouldnt rely on that

[tardy ingot]

So how is this exactly about the full auto?

[silent creek]

My brain was like precision rifle.Ah , clearly that should be at least a hundred meters

[wraith wedge]

Nooooo lol

Just use the sniper for that :3

[burnt inlet]

Hey go do ur school work

[burnt inlet]

Surely

[neat vapor]

im joking
full auto recoil corrected the shot

[wraith wedge]

arugh

[tardy ingot]

Or dont
You know
Dont use the sniper

[burnt inlet]

My brain thinks the precision rifle should be precise…

[wraith wedge]

Don't use the sniper for killing scouts at range, indeed yes...

[silent creek]

My brain thinks the precision rifle should be having the same effect of range as a precision rifle

[burnt inlet]

Yea go do taht thing

[silent creek]

Which is like hundreds to thousands of meters

[burnt inlet]

The precision rifles scope is off center btw

It’s not precise 😭

[silent creek]

Lmao

[burnt inlet]

Hel rifle covers that role and wave clear

Sniper is decent in like 2 levels

Cuz the main target is far away

😭

[ripe hamlet]

is sniper still good in r6c3

[burnt inlet]

Running sniper on R6C3 is like bringing a thermonuclear bomb to kill a coughing baby

[wraith wedge]

But, but I'm not considering wave clear just the hypothetical 200m shot that totally exists in some level uh, right

[burnt inlet]

@tardy ingot is the fight im thinking of this distance?

[tardy ingot]

Being outside of render distance to shoot an enemy surely is a good idea

[burnt inlet]

😭

Nvm

[wraith wedge]

[tardy ingot]

Kraken doesnt even show up at 100m range lol

[wraith wedge]

Anyway yeah hel rifle is real good wibble

[burnt inlet]

Eva just like read the bits urself and like

Read the positions of the enemies

Ez

Waiiit a second

This is starting to sound familiar

[burnt inlet]

😭

[burnt inlet]

Wait till you find out about hel gun

[ripe hamlet]

hel gun kinda peak

[tiny wyvern]

what's the furthest it shows up at?

I assume ||R6D1|| is the furthest range?

[ripe hamlet]

what about b2

[burnt inlet]

Giga close

Scatter would be viable

[burnt inlet]

Average range yea id assume (dont forget about twin towers or whatever that callout is)

[ripe hamlet]

really?

isnt that e2?

been so long since i did it

[burnt inlet]

E2 felt oddly close

Specially from ground floor

Like sawed off close

[ripe hamlet]

i know you can scatter e2

not sure about b2 since no one would bring scatter to that lvl anyway

[burnt inlet]

B2 is very close

It’s like literally in front of the cliff iirc

[timber shoal]

b2 is giga scatterable

also its fun to run scatter on that level highkenuinely

[ripe hamlet]

you run dmr and high cal

and then you solo it

[timber shoal]

i run bp sr

not for solo 😭

[ripe hamlet]

u so real for dat

[last hornet]

What are the best main weapons for chargers?

[timber shoal]

sawed off and hel revo

[last hornet]

my two favs, thanks

[topaz python]

Furthest R2E1 yet!

we had to huddle around a mine and kill ourselves because it was super late and I have astrophysics exam early tomorrow buuuuuut we did very well

[upbeat flame]

how far yall get?

[prime musk]

it happens for e2 kraken if you shoot from balcony

like for some kraken positions

[tardy ingot]

tbf if you know where tumor is from genuine 0 render distance you are not struggling much with the game xD

[tardy ingot]

But yea I mentioned it a bit below iirc

[prime musk]

ouh you mentioned it but i interpreted it as "kraken will never be 100m from you" rather than "kraken isn't rendered more than 100m from you"

[desert marlin]

let's do it! what time are you available today?

[frail heart]

rip simonriley is wild ngl

[grizzled patrol]

Dont sleep on Hel Auto PP into chargers

With one on the Team it doesnt Matter what you Take If you dont mind efficiency slightly tanking

[grizzled patrol]

Calculate me the gravitational pull of a Scout gyatt. NOW

[last hornet]

I thought to ask about it, it seemed like a powerful option to help the squad

[burnt inlet]

15 m/s^2 at 1 meters distance

[last hornet]

especially my friend who feels like they should be running at them with the sledge lol

[burnt inlet]

You should almost never run at a woke charger with a melee imo

[last hornet]

yeah, it wasn't the best sight to witness twice lol

had to cover for them a couple times, but we managed fine

[grizzled patrol]

just jump and turn around mid air. needs some practice, but its really not that bad

[last hornet]

we did R1C2 last night and plan on R1D1 today, I got a bit impatient and ended up soloing D1 last night

pretty easy compared to C2 imo, but that's R1 for you ig

[grizzled patrol]

true solo or moth "solo" with bots?

[last hornet]

with bots, I'm not at that level yet lol

it'd be pretty tough for me without the extra sentries for that one

[ocean spindle]

c2 and d1 are two sides of the game
d1 is ez if ur gaming on stealth
c2 is ez if ur gaming on combat

[last hornet]

that's a good description of what it was like. We've done all A and B except for R4/5 and the second half or R8. Def glad my group is going for completing R1 before jumping around to the other C levels, it's made us a lot better at the fundamentals

not to mention the introduction of shadows in D1 is pretty well set up, so that'll be fun for them to experience

[grizzled patrol]

ngl its rare to see people progress laterally and not vertically

you will have a lot of fun eith the D tiers

[upbeat flame]

Yeah that is interesting

We only go to A tiers of the next rundown if we are stuck on a hard level of the previous

[burnt inlet]

Hey just cuz I’m bald

[grizzled patrol]

bald = bald like a bot = bot = 0 players clear

[burnt inlet]

🚬at least I did one of the hardest PE with bots

[grizzled patrol]

R8C1?

[burnt inlet]

R5C2 🚬

[grizzled patrol]

sybau its not the hardest

[burnt inlet]

”One of the hardest”

[long atlas]

As I've recently learned, R8C1 PE with bots only is actually quite easy if you get all 3 soloable terminals in a row, just roll the dice :)

[grizzled patrol]

wont even place it in top 3

[grizzled patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[long atlas]

It is weird though because it only took 3 tries to just get the same terminal every time. I feel like the RNG for which terminal is selected is broken somehow

[burnt inlet]

#gtfo-related-questions message

[prime musk]

the zone it rolls the terminal in is random. but confined to the same run, it only ever rolls the same terminal in a given zone.

[civic wave]

it picks ONE terminal per zone for each run

[long atlas]

Ohhh, okay I had read something like that somewhere but it never truly clicked til now. So it's really just like a 1 in 4 chance to get the correct zone(I think) in that case

[civic wave]

ya

[long atlas]

Presumably this is a persistent detail between checkpoint reloads or does it reroll from there

[civic wave]

unsure, i think it persists

[long atlas]

I'd be willing to bet that based on the other quirks of this game

[grizzled patrol]

Silence pub, He is talking in a context of a 4man group. Not the solo goon

With bots its different

[burnt inlet]

I snow

Still

😎

[grizzled patrol]

Then begone

[burnt inlet]

Love to goon alone with my boys

Also who got carried more in the E2 pub?

Don’t wanna hear it

Even the shotgun sentry was better than pubefic

[raven copper]

your all pubs

[civic wave]

the worlds only gtfo commentator agrees with the statement that you all are pubs

[raven copper]

w comms goat

[burnt inlet]

Truth nukes

[raven copper]

trukes

[grizzled patrol]

Obviously it was Bio that killed everyone

[burnt inlet]

Mhmhmhmhmhm

[grizzled patrol]

Besides, i am Not even Pub now. Just someone that you used to know

Hosting 3D1 once a week

[burnt inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/gotye-somebody-that-used-to-gif-18057819436208352058

[topaz python]

we got past the second surge alarm!

[grizzled patrol]

Very Close to the fun part

[topaz python]

g = g☉. This is why I always bump into it when im trying to smash it

[topaz python]

lol, it was almost fun!

we had a lot better of time this past time

[upbeat flame]

Sweet, good progress

[topaz python]

hell yeah!

last good attempt we died to that alarm

so we were honestly so solid

good on health and ammo and tool and everything but alas we had to sleep

good to know for next time, we gotta do the same strat

[grizzled patrol]

Whats your strat?

[topaz python]

3 shotgun sentries and a bio tracker :P

shock and awe strat

[grizzled patrol]

Holy based

[upbeat flame]

Blud

[topaz python]

real

[upbeat flame]

3 shotgun sentries is psychotic LMAo, respect

[topaz python]

nothing is getting past those doors

[grizzled patrol]

@burnt inlet have you malinfluenced them?

[topaz python]

its how we did R2D2

[burnt inlet]

Yes !!!!!!

[topaz python]

they spawn so quick in the surges there is always something for those sentries to shoot

[burnt inlet]

When the hel auto and double burst does it more efficiently, but eh if it works it works ig

[fathom ice]

Yeah that's like

The problem

[topaz python]

maybe so, but the shotguns havent let us down yet

[upbeat flame]

Yeah shotgun sentry is by far the worst of the gang, but whatever works

[burnt inlet]

We shouldn’t call in Eva o. This one lmao

[topaz python]

aint broke dont fix it strat

[burnt inlet]

You don’t really want to kill the waves coming from surges

Well

[grizzled patrol]

Dont listen to the SSentry unbeliebers, Stick to the gun

[burnt inlet]

You wanna delay killing then

[burnt inlet]

😭

[fathom ice]

Like you just have cheaper options

[topaz python]

we thought so too at first using foam and mines

but the shotguns just work better

[grizzled patrol]

Foam clears are lame

[fathom ice]

You can replace 3 shotgun sentries with 1 hel auto

For the same efficiency

[burnt inlet]

Foam and mines ain’t great on R2E1 (unless ladderfoam ew)

[topaz python]

hard sending the scans in utter peace

then mopping up when they are done

[topaz python]

also dosnt help if you trip a scout or a room. Sentries better for that

[topaz python]

I heard that and thats why we tried the iconic R2D2 strat that worked for us

[grizzled patrol]

Killing Scouts with Shotgun sentry? Mental

[topaz python]

no no, you put it down if you accidentally trip the scout

kill with hammer then just shoot the other

[burnt inlet]

i mean double burst an a sniper sentry works very well on R2D2

[grizzled patrol]

The killbox reigns supreme

[topaz python]

yes but.... 3 shotguns

cant argue with results 💀

[burnt inlet]

😭🚬yes I can

[topaz python]

any shotgun can be a sniper if youre goated enough

[mystic rock]

Sure

[burnt inlet]

😭

[grizzled patrol]

Everything can be beaten with Triple Shotgun sentry.

[burnt inlet]

That’s why it’s so good

Gives moral support 🔥

[tardy ingot]

Basically Everything can be beaten melee only :|

[topaz python]

no enemy is too strong

they all fold

[tardy ingot]

its such a shame that 3 shotgun sentrys with bio support kill slightly worse than 3 hel auto sentrys while also somehow being less efficient (and hel auto is already known as being inefficient)

[burnt inlet]

Pablo…

Eva Mio been saving me from boredom 🔥

[topaz python]

yeah thats probaly true

[tardy ingot]

Me with vgc

[topaz python]

I just like the shotguns

[burnt inlet]

Been progging like crazy

[topaz python]

so satisfying to watch the little enemy pings disappear

is there any more surge alarms as the level goes on I think there might be

[burnt inlet]

Maybeeeee

[topaz python]

yeahhh I figured

we were about to go into the error alarm room I believe?

[heady berry]

like 4

[topaz python]

lots of finding cells to go

[heady berry]

we got about halfway to the error alarm part

[topaz python]

ah I see

[heady berry]

i should mention for lurkers in the discussion that were playing with the weaponpack mod and some weapon balances that change a few things, its still easily as hard as the normal game but some of the guns that had little use are now just a bit better

[heady berry]

hi, im another person in robyns party, we play with weaponpack which makes a bunch of modifications to the weapon system and adds some mechanics to make it more realistic. it also lifts some guns up to make more weapons viable options

this is the change list for armaments

[upbeat flame]

Interesting

[topaz python]

gf is popping off rn

[heady berry]

this is further balanced with my own mod that drops bullets in the mag if you reload during the middle of combat

[upbeat flame]

Sounds cool, explains why the shotguns sentry actually does something 😭

[burnt inlet]

^

also lowkey fire

[topaz python]

yeah!

[heady berry]

yep, honestly its a really great way to play the game that tailors it to the level of pain you wish to experience

[topaz python]

I didnt think about the balancing mod

[thick stump]

what does the armor penetration do? does it mean you can shoot a tank from the front and do damage without hitting the tumors?

[topaz python]

max pain that is....

[heady berry]

no i dont believe so, lemme check

[burnt inlet]

thinking about it i dont think id be very affected cuz i reload cancel and the reload time for my usual loadout aint that bad

but interesting concept

[upbeat flame]

I mean I’d like to experience the game for what it is, I only run minimal mod usage to make sure my game is not at 3 fps

[thick stump]

I can play this game perfectly fine without that mod to be honest

[heady berry]

these mods do not reduce performance lol

[burnt inlet]

when the automod gets bypassed

[timber shoal]

amity pfp in my gtfo server

more likely than you’d think

[upbeat flame]

Yeah I mean I didn’t say that, I’m saying I run mods to make sure my game don’t blow up

[burnt inlet]

hai dodo :>

[topaz python]

many mods that fix bugs very helpful :)

[timber shoal]

haiiiii :>

[heady berry]

i am that kind of queer

[burnt inlet]

afaik every mod reduces performance, some by a smol some by a lot

[timber shoal]

based

[topaz python]

real

[heady berry]

i mean sure lol

[topaz python]

they are very based

[timber shoal]

every time a queer person joins this server we grow exponentially in strength

[heady berry]

reallll

[burnt inlet]

and then you "attack" the non queers and turn them queer

those who snow 🤔

[tardy ingot]

Checking these guns/sentrys dont rly seem to be changed in actual output?

also with the mod I know you are running its not as bad

But I rly dont vibe with the „remove ammo balance being a thing to do“ changes

[heady berry]

no, they just have slight changes to bullet mechanics and the way damage works when applied

[tardy ingot]

shotgun sentry still in the dumpster

[winter breach]

Cant relate

[heady berry]

theyre really good with damage output but not efficient really

[tardy ingot]

devs when they buffed it for the 5th time in a row not understanding its issues was unforge

[burnt inlet]

youre next on my target list buddy

[thick stump]

the problem with the shotgun sentry is that it shoots 3 times a dead enemy if it is pinged with the bio tracker

[heady berry]

it only saves about 30% of lost ammo

[heady berry]

dw this mod doesnt change that at all lol

[tardy ingot]

Dmg output in ideal situation is 2nd best (but you have a better and more efficient AND easier to use sentry for that exact niche)

Then burst is super efficient all round fine and sniper is long range nukeage

[winter breach]

Just remove me from the list cuz its impossible

[heady berry]

this is the trans agenda

[burnt inlet]

mhmhmhmhmhmhmh

[timber shoal]

not my fault they can’t resist the transgender beam

[burnt inlet]

dodo been putting in work

[tardy ingot]

I wish they merged hel auto and shotgun back in the day

[burnt inlet]

they could never... those who snow

[tardy ingot]

Give us a true aoe stall machine that if stacked kills

[topaz python]

Biden Blast

[tardy ingot]

Instead we got pen + back dmg hel auto that is the best killing sentry in the game…

[winter breach]

Thank god that doesnt work on me

[heady berry]

the burst is really efficient but it cant cope with the number of enemies here, armaments gives the sentries target adhd so they forget about shit they already shot at and switch to closest

[burnt inlet]

you jsut dont snow it yet

[burnt inlet]

burst sentry is a support its not made to hold one entire wave 😭

[winter breach]

Nah im just that good at dodging it

Trust

[burnt inlet]

mhmhmhmhmhmh

as good as i am at preserving hp when i see a cliff

[heady berry]

ofc lol

[thick stump]

sorry to ask so many questions, but have you checked the armor penetration thingy? 🤔

[burnt inlet]

anyways try the hel auto + 2 burst sentries plzzzzz

[tardy ingot]

And yet outside of a surge 2 burst kill massive amounts

[burnt inlet]

😭

[winter breach]

Yeah but way way way more better

[burnt inlet]

support + support and bam death box

[burnt inlet]

mhmhmhmhmhmh

[tardy ingot]

but yea hel auto + 2 burst or 2 hel auto and a burst usually

Tho also ngl. You basically dont rly use any tool until the 3rd surge xD

[burnt inlet]

when the kiter kites

[heady berry]

i couldnt find good info on it lol, i think basically some ammunition that would cannonically be hollowpoint fragments inside the enemy and damages multiple parts depending on where it hits

[topaz python]

how....

im bad

[heady berry]

i mean we literally just are a little less hardcore than a lot of this playerbase

[timber shoal]

dw you’re a work-in-progress

[burnt inlet]

first alarm you just run around in a circle whenever wave is close ish to you (complete first scan then run in circle etc)

second you just shoot

[topaz python]

._.

[burnt inlet]

GRRR YOU WILL USE OUR STRATS 😠 😠 😠 😠 /j obv

[topaz python]

but there so many

[burnt inlet]

they all come from one direction

[topaz python]

they kill you 😭

[burnt inlet]

heyoooooo thats the name of a band

[tardy ingot]

1st surge tools actually dont help a lot (outside of foam/mines but the surge is also so early and free that you dont rly care if you die)

When on scan -> blast enemies
When scan is done, see where scan goes. If fast follow if able. Otherwise run away from enemies (usually that means up or down the hill path side)

2nd is a bit tougher but again. Sentrys dont help that much. Especially with hybrids being the main problem

[topaz python]

💀

[winter breach]

That work-in-progress is gonna be soon a closed case cuz yall cant make any progress and it will all fall down

[burnt inlet]

its closer than you think

[upbeat flame]

Don’t you funnel second surge w/ hel auto on top catwalk in shadow area

?

[timber shoal]

nah trust, next time we’re playing r5a2 it’s all over for you buddy

[winter breach]

No i know already thats its very close for the downfall of yalls plan

[tardy ingot]

Basically moth explained it poorly

If you drop down or jump up a cliff (not taking dmg obv) then enemies need to repath around again and that takes time. During that scan drops and you can do it. Then repeat until done

[winter breach]

As long as i use the spear its not over

[tardy ingot]

1 funnel isnt reliable cuz 2 room away spawn
2 there is 2 sides for spawns

[burnt inlet]

i always do

[tardy ingot]

3 hybrids say fuck you to the funnel if unlucky

[burnt inlet]

hybrids 🤤

[heady berry]

for context on my standpoint, i beat most of the rundowns as they came out and dont have a lot of inhibitions with switching up the guns and having some fun, i care more about getting a good challenge and beating it with friends rather than spending every moment playing it (of which i dont get a lot cause college and life) grinding shit into dust. as a group we are still having a very tough time beating E but we have a good strat rn and were having fun and thats all i care about

[burnt inlet]

very fair

[topaz python]

I have a sniper tho

[heady berry]

also i dont think any of the mods make the game inherently much easier, just change some mechanics to push it toward a little more of a realistic shooter rather than kiting simulator

[burnt inlet]

kiting mentioned obligatory @raven copper ping

[topaz python]

yeah this is a good point. Im a astrophysics student and jessie is a space ops we dont have too much time. Also theyve beaten all the levels before anyways and I like the variety balanced guns bring :)

balenced guns balenced by dropping mags

[tardy ingot]

But why

[heady berry]

cause it good

[topaz python]

its good trust me bro

[burnt inlet]

🙏

im praying for you two

praying you get the good end of this convo 🙏

[tardy ingot]

sadly
no

But its obv viable as everything is in this game

[burnt inlet]

good ending achieved

lessgo

[topaz python]

my source? dead hybrid :P

[heady berry]

in the game or in college because i am fighting a boss harder than R2E1 (my calc professors)

[tardy ingot]

Smh im a physics/geoscience student and still have time for my 4k hours

Now start the grind

[topaz python]

🫡

[burnt inlet]

i meant this convo (and ur life too)

[heady berry]

weaponpack rebalances the guns so the sniper has even less ammo but does a bit more weakpoint damage so it has a really good niche

[topaz python]

my physics professors...

they want me dead more than the charger scouts 😭

[burnt inlet]

yea but thats like saying "what the fucking kinda rock is this? this is coal, very useful due to its energy output when heated" (in that one instagram voice)

[burnt inlet]

i like reg scouts more 🤤

i mean

waaa

[topaz python]

insane

[little pilot]

honestly the mod can't be as unbalanced as arsenality

[topaz python]

but real

[heady berry]

it also adds a goofy ass "AMR" with 6 shots (firing 20mm ammo) that does 150 damage but has 6 total shots lmao

[burnt inlet]

scatter is that you

[topaz python]

i love the modded AMR

[heady berry]

its actually like, more "balanced" than the base game, every gun has a niche

[topaz python]

its so fucking bad I love it

slowest reload in the west

absolutely obliterates anything it fires it

grand total of like 2 bullets

[burnt inlet]

ok so its literally scattergun

[little pilot]

isn't that just scattergun with ranged but bad into bosses?

[topaz python]

yeah!

but its a cool sniper

[heady berry]

scattergun has way more shots and does less damage

[little pilot]

or sniper but doesn't need headshots?

[topaz python]

yeah

[little pilot]

honestly that does not sound more balanced than vanilla... ngl

[heady berry]

nvm im dumb it has similar scattergun stuff

[topaz python]

no ammo or reload speef tho you get one shot and you better hit it

[tardy ingot]

Uuuuh

Do you want an explanation for why this actually only makes sniper worse ?

[burnt inlet]

hmmm so its just the scattergun of scattergun

[heady berry]

im not really in the mood to care tbh

[topaz python]

nah its good trust

[tardy ingot]

Math professors in physics studies are the WORST imo

[heady berry]

im dumb its very similar but 1 shot rather than 31 pellets in the mod

[burnt inlet]

hmmmm

sounds goofy

[heady berry]

its a lot of fun

[tardy ingot]

reminder moth

If sniper had 500 dmg the only things that changes is that you now body shot bigs and do more vs || the kraken and mega mom ||

capped dmg to tumors is a bitch :(

[topaz python]

we are legit in class rn lol. This is much more interesting

[tardy ingot]

[heady berry]

again, im a vet of the game and i just have fun with this, i like the more realistic weapon behavior