gtfo-related-questions

[vestal crest]

Ah

[burnt inlet]

ye

[vestal crest]

Maybe I should convince someone on my team to take a scatter

We were relying on bc mostly

I’m assuming the code gatherer in reactor would benefit most from scatter?

[prime musk]

bc is good but consider.
it takes half an ammopack to kill a tank with scatter
it takes an entire ammopack to kill a tank with burst cannon

[vestal crest]

Yeah scatter seems much better assuming we can actually get close to the tank

Again without doorfuck we keep accidentally fighting in rooms without easy kiting options

[burnt inlet]

you dont need to kite tank

you just need someone to grab aggro and another to like

[vestal crest]

Kite might be the wrong word

[burnt inlet]

capitalize

[vestal crest]

Fighting in open rooms by mistake

Like the surge room was really annoying to fight a tank in

[prime musk]

yes that is a terrible room to fight the tank in

you should just be paying attention to timer

[vestal crest]

Tbf we are blind

We were experiencing that zone for the first time

[prime musk]

ye

[vestal crest]

I’m guessing we are going to die a lot to the reactor so we’ll probably get really good at the error alarm

[prime musk]

if your reactor defense is stable (which it should be) you have A LOT of resources to work with.

so your code hunters are not really under time pressure, they should play it as safe as they need to to make it through

[dusky glade]

hi can someone help me i need to find hydrostatis hsu_816

how can i find it can someone help me

[upbeat flame]

You can go to any terminal and then do “Query (whatever the HSU is)”

Then if you’re in the zone you can ping it with the ping command

[fathom ice]

Query HSU_816
Go to the zone where it is
Ping HSU_816
Follow the ping

[upbeat flame]

If not you have to go to that zone, find a terminal and then ping it

[dusky glade]

thanks a lot guyss <33

[nova cape]

really quick question for anyone who knows any lore, but how do the terminals determine what zone they're in? is it hardcoded into them or is it connection based?

[tiny wyvern]

Are you trying to ask if the terminal positions are random or whether what's in them is random?

[prime musk]

the question is like really weird so if you can reword it maybe it can be answered

[nova cape]

sorry sorry, like do the terminals know where they are..? do they use an internet connection to get their information? im not really sure how i can word this :/

[prime musk]

the terminals are just local computers so that information is probably hardcoded in them in-universe

[nova cape]

thank you :D

[tired fog]

the terminals are interconnected enough that you can List All Items

[tiny wyvern]

Oh yeah next time ask that in #gtfo-lore

Cause the lore folk are there

[nova cape]

oh sorry, i didnt see the lore channel, might not have the role for it

[tiny wyvern]

You have it, you just have to add it in the channel list

[burnt inlet]

So how I like to think of it is that entirety of garganta (where we are located) is one big area, its gigantic floors/areas have for some reason been blocked off (levels) and even on a connection based level, they can still communicate with the warden however which is how ||schaefer|| gets all of his information, you can’t send data packets across these however to actually know where terminals outside of the ”floors” (levels) are. I’m just guessing for the majority of this and more lore accurate things can be found in #gtfo-lore

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah just ask the same question in lore chat and frostty would probably be able to tell you more about that

whenever she's around

[burnt inlet]

I think there was a convo about it

[last hornet]

How difficult is R8B2, and is it a good way to introduce players to the ||Kraken||? My crew is used to doing C-level expeditions fairly well at this point, and I want to spice things up a bit with spectacle.

[sudden nexus]

just wait till r6d1

alarm cancel if your fancy

[fathom ice]

R6D1 is intended ||Kraken|| fight, you should just take your friends there

[ocean spindle]

yeah i think r6d1 is just a way better introduction to it

[ripe hamlet]

r8b2 kraken is super easy

also

depends on what you mean by c tier

r1c1? r4c3?

theres a wide range of c tier

[sharp barn]

im at r6d1 kraken with three bots and an unoptimal loadout is it possbile to get players in so i can more probably get through

[raven copper]

yes

[sharp barn]

🙏

[minor fractal]

Not too hard

R8C1 Overload is really rough

I'd do that very late

[ripe hamlet]

R8C1PE lets goooo

[upbeat flame]

good jorb

[burnt inlet]

R6D1 kraken fight kinda req you to be having a long ranged ish weapon if ur with 3 bots (hel rifle is best cuz you can hold reactor with it insanely well too)

[winter breach]

Another good long range weapon is spear

[burnt inlet]

Best kraken killer

[winter breach]

Yeah

Killed all of them with the mighty spear

[burnt inlet]

Bat is better tho cuz it can kill moms without births

An like

There’s more moms

Do the math

[winter breach]

Youre right

But does that really work with the tank?

[burnt inlet]

But there’s more moms

[winter breach]

Wait

[frail heart]

Erm what about the tank error

Checkmate liberal

[burnt inlet]

The mom error in R1A1 HELLOOOOOO

[frail heart]

My bad king

[winter breach]

But everyone forgot about the kraken error in r9a1

Which makes spear even more viable

[burnt inlet]

Also WHY isn’t this PUB checking the DMs 🤦🤦🤦

[frail heart]

Blud what

[winter breach]

So pub of him

Thats bc he doesnt use spear to kill krakens and tanks

[sharp barn]

I had a carbine and combat shotgun lmao

[winter breach]

But how did you forget about the spear

[burnt inlet]

Hop off the combat shotty for that level lol

[ocean spindle]

tbh hel rifle u go through so muxh ammo for a single tumor i prefer taking sniper and just doing reactor skip

[burnt inlet]

Ye but it’s with bots

[ocean spindle]

yeah

so reactor skip

[burnt inlet]

I ain’t reactor skipping with bots

[ocean spindle]

well cuz ur weak

[burnt inlet]

Yes I am 🚬

[timber shoal]

burst cannon 🤤

[ocean spindle]

how bout i cannon

[burnt inlet]

She cannons on my kraken till I burst

[timber shoal]

impeccable

oh right now i get to do logs

huzzah!

also need someone to do a c tier without using tools w me

[ocean spindle]

bot run r1c2

[timber shoal]

hmm

what about solo r6c1

without bots

[ocean spindle]

showoff

[timber shoal]

😭

well i dont want a meh clear

i like r6c1

[ocean spindle]

r8c1 pe solo then

[timber shoal]

and its not a crazy difficult level

[burnt inlet]

Team WHAT are we saying

R6C3 solo

[timber shoal]

oh wait why didn’t i think of that

[burnt inlet]

Or better yet R6CX

[timber shoal]

at least that’d be entertaining

r8c1 would make me blow my brains out

[burnt inlet]

Could I do that too?

[timber shoal]

of course vroski

[burnt inlet]

YAYYYYYYY

[uneven kiln]

R6C3 PE done Sec -> Ovl -> Main order when

[timber shoal]

optimal

[uneven kiln]

I actually have a version of R6C3 that I want to make

it can probably be done with existing tiles

[tardy ingot]

its actually genuinely not that hard

bots pull A LOT of weight for the skip

[burnt inlet]

I think I’ve done it or smth

[uneven kiln]

basically you start with a big central hub and this is where you'll keep coming back during the protocol (think like R1B1 type layout) and the sectors are on separate branches of Main, you will need to visit these branches of Main throughout each stage with different tiered objectives aside the Sectors which will have larger effects

[burnt inlet]

Can’t remember

But I did reactor skip into Kraken into reactor

Cuz logs

[timber shoal]

make the center hub a respawn zone

depending on which objectives are completed dictates what respawns

[grizzled patrol]

Surely you parkoured your way down, right?

[uneven kiln]

yes

part of the problem with making Warden Protocol objectives is they often end up just being a lot of waiting

it's why I can appreciate R7C3 despite having one of the most disgusting Overload sectors in the entire game

Main only is pretty boring once the protocol happens

[grizzled patrol]

Just do a Reverse. Dont Lock Players with timegamed Doors. Make the Protokoll spawns and Events much more punishing to incentivise speed

If the time Runs Out they are fucking dead or something

[uneven kiln]

yep I was thinking down this route

I would be down to be even more ruthless like saying "if you do not complete overload before the protocol ends, those terminals shut off"

so you can't bide time in main with the billion weakdoors

[timber shoal]

if you run out of time the remaining security doors become inactive in the rest of the level or smth

you get locked out of winning if you’re not quick

[uneven kiln]

This is actually what I thought was the case in R6BX

I thought you had 10 minutes to get inside the room

[timber shoal]

ooh or make an alarm’s difficulty scale with how long it took you to get there

[grizzled patrol]

Honestly, thats what i wanted when ive First played R7C3 when the gooners locked out Our quadrant

Doors opening even though local overrides were prohibited was lame

[timber shoal]

what if security doors started off being open but if you ran out of time they shut in your face hehehe

[uneven kiln]

it's a delicate balance making players punished for going slow and rewarded while going fast to still be challenging

[timber shoal]

like you’re running to extract and the timer runs out and the sec door shuts in your face

[tardy ingot]

dak did a thing where you can decide to open sec doors early

but it leads to the spawn of a punishing wave

[grizzled patrol]

It can trivialise the Game If the Wave spawns when the door is about to Close, risky Level design

[timber shoal]

oh for sure

it might be a one-off gimmick in a level or something

or you give the enemies alternate routing

ways to get through the shut door that are inaccessible to players

[ocean spindle]

i dont think softlocking players is the way
daks c2 also closed off the sec, but it wasnt a timer, it was a conscious choice you took cuz u needed to power up a gen for it to lock

[uneven kiln]

Interesting

[ocean spindle]

i dont think u can expect people to just win first time on a warden protocol
u need to take into account the skill of ur players, i think if u wanna lock doors you should do so with optional doors rather than just main path ones

and if u wanna make it more punishing, theres ways around it

not just a softlock

[timber shoal]

yeah i dont think it’d be a particularly fun design

would be interesting if doors locked and forced alternative routes into zones

not even if you were slow

maybe if you were fast

the main path through is locked but a side zone thats slightly more threatening is available if you’re early

not enough to be a time loss if you’re skilled

[ocean spindle]

can you even interconnect zones? i dont think ive ever seen it done so idk if its possible

[timber shoal]

i have no idea 😭

if you can though

could be interesting

[prime musk]

the level gen system does not allow you to "interconnect" zones without major fucking with the system

[timber shoal]

😔

tragic

[prime musk]

it's doable (some mods do it) but you can't do it by changing around settings in the levelgen

you need extra plugins for it to be done.

[grizzled patrol]

Just use the allmighty crutch the Jumpdimension

[timber shoal]

actually that’d be interesting in of itself

warden protocol which changes what dimension you’re in

[uneven kiln]

LGTuner my beloved

[timber shoal]

but idk if there’s a way to make the point where you spawn in dimension variable based off where you were prior to being teleported

[prime musk]

yes there is a way it is called that's just how it works

[timber shoal]

alr

[grizzled patrol]

You can bind different Location to different triggers

[timber shoal]

gotcha

[grizzled patrol]

Like, every Zone you enter Updates the worldevent to TP to a new place

[timber shoal]

all the dimensions in a level are loaded simultaneously correct?

so they affect performance?

[grizzled patrol]

Yesnt

Culling does exist

[uneven kiln]

they are initialized but the current dimension is what is unculled

[timber shoal]

okie

[grizzled patrol]

Dodown when?

[timber shoal]

first i gotta learn how to code lmao

[ripe hamlet]

dodown goes hard asf

[timber shoal]

it does lwk

[ripe hamlet]

you have to make it happen now

[grizzled patrol]

Fuck coding. Unity Level Editor is Not that bad

Just a little Bit of C#

[timber shoal]

i’ve worked with unity a tiny bit

surely it carries me

[grizzled patrol]

@pseudo glacier will we ever See Racoondown?

[timber shoal]

dw i gotchu

[pseudo glacier]

Never bro I don't really play anymore sorry

[grizzled patrol]

I was going to sleep with a Hope that one day it will See the light of day

What do i do now 🥀

[pseudo glacier]

Get @timid flax to make one

[grizzled patrol]

Its Not the same

[timid flax]

lies, deception

[pseudo glacier]

Is deception the name you choose?

[burnt inlet]

Ye

[ocean spindle]

ffunny

[sinful fiber]

Okay so I did some thinkity thinking for R4D2 PE, yes; you clear Overload to find the Cargo but don't pick it up, from there you do Secondary, however do you have to put the Power Cells into the Generator in order to continue onto Main or could it be saved for later when you come back for Cargo after clearing?

[ocean spindle]

u need to put the cells cuz it unlocks the bk key

[prime musk]

unless you roll the overlapping ovl and main scan ig

or overlapping sec and main but i have never seen that

[ocean spindle]

samies

[sinful fiber]

So the Cells unlock the Bulkhead?

[prime musk]

putting in the cells unlocks your zone that gives you a bulkhead key to open main

[sinful fiber]

Got it, that makes more sense now...

[tardy ingot]

[sinful fiber]

Thank you for the answers, going for first clear PEs is fucking tough but I wouldn't have it any other way when it comes to banging my head into a wall

[timber shoal]

we get the clear next time

i miscommunicated with how the class 7 should work

we ended up wasting a lot of foam ammo and time because of it

[upbeat flame]

Yall going for more attempt tn? I might join since I also need 4d2

[sinful fiber]

All good, we didn't have clear comms with some of our members (headache+deafened and others in vc talking) [I still love those who showed up thooo even if ya'll intimidate me]

[timber shoal]

i might be on depending on how bad the lab report i have to write is

[timber shoal]

yeah i wasn’t able to get any info across during that whole segment 😭

[upbeat flame]

Org chem lab?

[timber shoal]

yeppers

well actually not exclusively that

[upbeat flame]

Aldol rxn?

[timber shoal]

i’ve got a paper to write for my environmental class, prep for a presentation tmrw also for that class, the lab report and the notebook prep for tomorrows lab

the paper was due a week and a half ago though so at this point there’s no rush

[upbeat flame]

LMaO wdym it was due a week ago

[timber shoal]

didn’t realize it was assigned 😭 it’s so fine

imma prolly skip out on doing it for now just to try and balance out all the shit i need to do

[upbeat flame]

Thas crazy

Thank god I’m not taking that many classes this semester, just spending my time volunteering n researching n shit

It’s so nice not having to worry about what’s assignments due when

[weak geode]

Me and some friends are doing every level in gtfo in order
We are currently in rundown 2 d2
Holy shit that level is so hard and we are always running out of sentry by wave 5/10
Is it worth taking 4 burst sentry

[timber shoal]

nope

take bio plus 3 sentries

1 or 2 sniper sentries

the rest burst

[weak geode]

Oh and I have an idea i really wanna see if it works
By any chance you know the map on that level?

[timber shoal]

yes i do

whats the idea?

[weak geode]

Okay so the first blood door leads to the bridge and then the reactor
After wave 5 would it be easier to go back across the bridge and hold it inside the blood door
Since behind us is only 1 room and thats the extraction point anyway so we have to hold 1 direction

[ocean spindle]

i would recommend giving up on that idea

✨

[timber shoal]

this is actually a valid strategy

[ocean spindle]

the next level after d2 is e1 and thats top 10 hardest out of 83 MISSIONS

[timber shoal]

but you will get spawns from elevator

[weak geode]

Trust me we each got like 50 hours in the game now because of it
Can't wait for r2e1

[ocean spindle]

i will be happy for u ✨ if u dont abandon the game

afterr 10 hours of r2e1

good luck

[weak geode]

We are on like attempt 6 in r2d2

[timber shoal]

the reason this works isnt because they wont spawn in the elevator room, its because they will spawn there - you get close spawns that you can kill very quickly so the waves dont get stalled as much initially

[weak geode]

And our best run was we entered code 7/10

[timber shoal]

its a more difficult strategy than others

but it does work

[weak geode]

Hmmm

[timber shoal]

just gotta be locked in

an easier strategy, if you so choose to use it, is holding in the south room that has the class 4 alarm tied to it

[ocean spindle]

dont they will get hyper pushed if they spawn anywhere thats not elevator?
or is d2 only reactor spawns

cuz after wave- 2 u open spawn points

[ocean spindle]

yeah thats the ideal one

[weak geode]

Thats what we have been trying
The problem isn't the waves
Its the time limit terminals we have to do in a room with 2 scouts and then another room with 5 scouts

[timber shoal]

you kill initial wave because its guaranteed to be an elevator spawn

and then you back off to bridge

[ocean spindle]

ah i see

[weak geode]

I leave the bottom right door closed

[timber shoal]

shoot one scout, kill the other scout wave

the donut room isnt too threatening

[ocean spindle]

that or learn how to speedrun scouts ✨

meleeing scouts fast i mean

[timber shoal]

also true

[weak geode]

Trust me I been practicing killing scouts in r1a1
But it gets infinitely more difficult when there is like 3 sleepers next to them

[prime musk]

this doesn't work. some of the waves are forced to spawn in elevator so you're forcing yourself to defend 2 directions while omega spawnpushing a bunch of stuff so you don't even get to fully use your codehunt time

[weak geode]

Alright thank you

[ocean spindle]

dat what i suspected, dies

[prime musk]

the mod scouts by brandonius, practice map scouts for normal scouts and scouts+ for practicing normal scouts mixed with normal enemies

play to full kill the maps and you'll get goated at it in no time

(my time for solo full clearing the scouts map is 15 minutes, so that's a goal you can push for over time)

(i haven't really played to full clear scouts+ ever so can't comment on that)

[ocean spindle]

i need a meme thats that line of super-showdown-bowl but instead of SHUT UP BLACK WIDOW IS TALKING! is SHUT UP ZED IS TALKING!

[tiny wyvern]

what's going on?

[weak geode]

They helping me with tips on r2d2

[tiny wyvern]

Oh
What are you dying to?

[weak geode]

Correct

[prime musk]

you can play to open donut room at timing when scout is in front of sec door and either doorshot or 2 room shoot it

and then partial pull entrance

[weak geode]

Me and some friends are trying it
We mainly die to the rooms we have to get to the terminal
Since someone screws up and we just go low on ammo or run out of tool by wave 6

[prime musk]

for 195 you can doorshoot all of B and doorshot 1 of the scouts in A with good timing

[tiny wyvern]

That's normal for pubs

Are you getting all the resources you can?

[weak geode]

Anytime we went there the scouts aren't infront of the door they are on like the 2 opposite sides of the donut room

[weak geode]

Trying to yea

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah, that's normal as well

[weak geode]

We are thinking of maybe the weapons are the problem but I dont think it is

[tiny wyvern]

what weapons are you running?

[prime musk]

ye then you partial entrance and lowkey you can probably grab one of the enemies you partial and bully them for scream cd while 3 players go in and kill all of room

[weak geode]

I use cabine and short rifle
The sniper and pistol
Combat shotgun ,rifle
Hel rifle and carbine

[tiny wyvern]

...Oh

[prime musk]

eh that's fine

like sniper cshotty and hel rifle are all good

carbine is good

pistol is fine

rifle is fine

[upper ginkgo]

they aren't dying to wave so they're fine tbh

[prime musk]

short rifle is very questionable but it genuinely has good ammo efficiency so

[prime musk]

^

[tiny wyvern]

They are running out of ammo though, which is... concerning

[weak geode]

Mainly why I use it since my go to gun is the double tap rifle and high calibar pistol
Which aren't the best for long waves

[prime musk]

that's neither a shooting nor gun issue i think they're just not having enough time to actually loot the zones they open

[weak geode]

Yea most likely that

[tiny wyvern]

How much time do you usually have after you finish code 4?

[prime musk]

zone with code 4 contains 8 uses of ammo. and zone with key to code 4 contains another 8 uses.

and 16 uses should be MORE than enough for a wave and everything inbetween

[weak geode]

Probably a minute
Our best run we had 2 and a half minutes
I think anytime we went in the south room someone screamed so we had to fight

[prime musk]

you should always just kill everything there

[weak geode]

Oh shit is that garunteed

[prime musk]

yes

resources are static per zone, even if the amount of packs they come in and location is random

[tiny wyvern]

Just go into the zone thinking you're going to shoot everything and just try to loot code 4 term zone dry before starting next code

[ocean spindle]

it would b very cruel to have rng resources

[prime musk]

there is (very minor) variability in resources. in all the zones where it matters it can change by up to 2 uses max.(there are some zones in the game with such an insane amount of resources that you just never run out, and in those sometimes you have larger variance)

[weak geode]

I will say one run was especially bad with resources in the reactor room
Every crate and locker had stuff in it but they were all under 3 uses

[tiny wyvern]

And you should have more than enough ammo?
Like, unless you pull double scout waves in donut room you really, REALLY shouldn't be running out of ammo on 6?

Unless I'm forgetting something

[ocean spindle]

they are running BULLPUP!!

⚡️⚡️⚡️

thunder noises

[tiny wyvern]

nah they aint

[ocean spindle]

dammit

my joke

[prime musk]

nah, you had more packs then

[weak geode]

Nope didnt like the bullpup

[tiny wyvern]

this their loadout

[ocean spindle]

oh short rifles equally bad yippieee joke works

[weak geode]

I might be missing something i can check medal to see if any clips have our loadouts

[prime musk]

like you can get a 4 use or 2 2 packs

[tiny wyvern]

Either that or your hold angles are bad for hel rifle

[prime musk]

tbf im not sure they're even playing for pen (and if they are, chances are they're doing it badly)

and that shouldn't really matter

any reasonable holding spot gives them free value with pen and that's as far as they should have to think

[weak geode]

It might be not holding angles since the floor plan they sent we hold at the entrance of the south door
Not by the left door

It just might be we are wasting alot of ammo on bad positioning

[tiny wyvern]

Oh the usual hold?
You're doing that one?

[sinful fiber]

I did R2D2 with a Friend (Duo Players + 2 Bots) If Needed: I can tell you what we did (from my memory at least)

[weak geode]

Yea we are at the entrance looking at the reactor

[weak geode]

Sure whatever help i can get
Me and my friends are gonna try again tomorrow anyway

[past mesa]

R2d2 is a mission of all time

[weak geode]

Can't wait for r2e1

[tiny wyvern]

Eh E1's more about performing well dw

[past mesa]

e1 has more gameplay your used to by now

[weak geode]

I mean so far worst level for me was i think c2 it was where it was a constant alarm throughout the level

I was so overstimulated I had to close the game and look at the wall for 10 minutes after finishing it

[tiny wyvern]

With what you've been saying D2 should be fine tbh
E1 will trip you up a bit but you'll get through

[ocean spindle]

me fr first time

[ocean spindle]

isnt that all the game

[prime musk]

nah most of the game is about having good strats

[weak geode]

Icarus has been tying for a while now

[prime musk]

e1 is about good strats and good execution

[tiny wyvern]

I suppose so ye

[upper ginkgo]

gonnna hit you with the biggest r2d2 guide ever

[sinful fiber]

Sorry trying to word this correctly from memory, give me a bit lmao

[weak geode]

You can dm it to me if you want if its that long or hard to say rn

[sinful fiber]

Got it, I'll finish typing this out in another server of mine and then send it over to see if it helps.

[weak geode]

Thank you

[tiny wyvern]

I hope it'll at least be good advice

Duo + Bot runs are usually different from teams,

right?

[prime musk]

not really

not to like

flame people

it isn't targeted

but ppl playing duo + bots are like

[ocean spindle]

flame people flame people

[prime musk]

not actually good enough usually to do any splitting up to begin with

so it's just quads with less comms

[tiny wyvern]

fair

[ocean spindle]

oh thats just facts thats why bots fill in

smh

[weak geode]

Yea

Like we are constantly shouting and anytime a giant comes you can hear 2 of us say giant for our sniper dude to kill em

[tiny wyvern]

Does sniper have enough time to reload for every giant/hybrid?

[past mesa]

Giant giant giant

[past mesa]

Generally no

But most yes

[prime musk]

answer is yes
source: i beat r2d2 true solo with sniper as my special

[weak geode]

Thats why we also run hel rifle he can handle some giants if our sniper guy dosent kill them off

[past mesa]

An yes hel rifle the giant clearing Gunn

Honestly devs did it to themselves

[tiny wyvern]

It's not terrible for limb breaking at least

[prime musk]

well the devs sure made some balance choices

[past mesa]

(High damage)

[weak geode]

I do hate that some weapons are just infinitely worse then some
Hel auto pistol is still the single worst weapon i used

[ripe hamlet]

the humble four giants pen line

we love to see it

[prime musk]

considering it's like 4th best main weapon that's kinda crazy

[ripe hamlet]

hel auto piss is like the only auto weapon good in the game

bar hel shotty

[weak geode]

Dude it does like no damage i would much rather use the revolver or a carbine

[ripe hamlet]

it got crazy stagger

[prime musk]

yes but it has 5x stagger and 100% uptime

and pen

[ripe hamlet]

you can solo hold surge with it ez

[tiny wyvern]

(they don't know what a surge is yet do they?)

(They're on R2D2)

[fathom ice]

It's a support gun to prevent your team from taking damage

[prime musk]

team im pretty sure they don't know what stagger multi is to begin with

[weak geode]

Probably not let's be real

[prime musk]

or reload cancelling

[fathom ice]

If you see anything in front of anyone you shoot it once and it cancels a lick

[ripe hamlet]

stagger means you dont get hit

its massive value

thats why you aim for limb break on giants

hel auto piss means you get infinite on demand (soft) stagger

[tiny wyvern]

It's better than machine pis at least

Unless you're me, and you actually use it as a faqing mop

[weak geode]

Yea we know how to melee kill giants i know staggering but Is it that worth it to use over a rifle

[ripe hamlet]

what rifle

its a main weapon

[upper ginkgo]

regular rifle

[prime musk]

they probably mean the rifle

[weak geode]

Yea the main weapon rifle

[ripe hamlet]

rifle ass tho

[fathom ice]

The rifle 556

Twk

[prime musk]

like hel auto has better dps and stagger and ammo etc etc than rifle so

[tiny wyvern]

So rifle is just a longer range pistol

[fathom ice]

Conclusion

Play sawed off

[ripe hamlet]

^

[weak geode]

K I'll try and use it over my carbine

[tiny wyvern]

On R2D2?

[ripe hamlet]

get sawed off for r2d2

[weak geode]

I AM NOT A SHOTGUN PERSON
Ill be sure to tell this to my friend tho

[fathom ice]

Play hel revo

[ripe hamlet]

unfortunately this game is a shotgun game

[tiny wyvern]

what are you guys prompting newbies to use these days my god

[fathom ice]

Or be a twink and play DTR

[weak geode]

Choke mod barely counts so its fine

[ripe hamlet]

out of all the shotguns you picked the worst one 🥀

[weak geode]

Yep

[prime musk]

idk team i think at some point in their journey ever player should see like
a good speed of like r2e1 to see how the game is like
actually supposed to be played at a high level

[sinful fiber]

So chatt...

[tiny wyvern]

yes icarus?

[sinful fiber]

my message has gotten over 2000 letters.

[prime musk]

like ppl just misunderstand fundamentally so much about how to play guns and what guns to play

[weak geode]

I dont like shotguns idk what yo say
Even in csgo and other games I hate shotguns

[tiny wyvern]

That's normal

You're talking about R2D2

If you don't know how to actually prompt people to do well on that level it'll easily go over 2000

[sinful fiber]

Like, Imma have to send this in multiple messages.

[upper ginkgo]

the instant skill prog from the simple act of watching someone play the game better

[fathom ice]

True ^

[ripe hamlet]

you dont know what you dont know

[prime musk]

well

[fathom ice]

I was a pub and then I watched Beth play

[tiny wyvern]

Or rather, if you don't know how to tell people how to do things well

[prime musk]

my favorite piece of advice that i never see anyone actually take seriously
is to press m1 more

[fathom ice]

And I'm still a pub

[tiny wyvern]

How the f do i say this

[ripe hamlet]

seeing good play is like opening a new dimension

[fathom ice]

Ye

[tiny wyvern]

If you don't know how to keep it concise R2D2 guides are easily going to take up more than 2000 characters

yes that's what I meant

[fathom ice]

Was wondering if we're even playing the same game

[ripe hamlet]

just play duo

youll learn to press m1 a lot more

[prime musk]

well see the people with the issue of not pressing m1 enough usually don't have it solved by that

[sinful fiber]

It's more so I'm struggling to remember how my R2D2 runs went, and my ADHD isn't making things easier with it all blurring together, as well as trying to cover anything that could've been missed.

[ripe hamlet]

i mean

isnt r2d2 just hold at bridge then hold at that one funny room

or you become a chad and hold at reactor

[fathom ice]

^

[upper ginkgo]

they're dying to stealth rooms apparently

[tiny wyvern]

They're running out of tool/low on ammo on 6

[prime musk]

team

[weak geode]

Holding ain't the problem we dying from going to terminals to find the codes

[upper ginkgo]

but if they're clearing waves surely the best piece of advice is to tell them to shoot stealth rooms

[prime musk]

there are TOO MANY PEOPLE here trying to help them

[tiny wyvern]

Yes zed?

Yes

[weak geode]

Yep

[fathom ice]

I'm going to bed

[prime musk]

like we cannot have 6 people arguing about how to answer their question correctly when any one of use could give correct and concise advice that is good enough

[fathom ice]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-woo-yeah-twerk-gif-14809987

[tiny wyvern]

Ye

[ripe hamlet]

how did you lose

[tiny wyvern]

no not again

[weak geode]

How my brain feels after 1 level in gtfo

[ripe hamlet]

running out of time or waking up room

[tiny wyvern]

@prime musk I don't remember, but was there a turbine for fog in donut room or is that some other level?

[fathom ice]

There is

And it is in donut ye

[tiny wyvern]

Ok good

[prime musk]

it has a couple of spawnpoints but you just ping it if you really can't find it

[weak geode]

Well first the donut room 2 scouts woke up
Next time only 1 woke up but we got pinched and had to restart that wave so thats how we died
The other is a class 4 alarm in the north where we died
Then the 3 scout room a sleeper screamed and we managed to sniper 1 scout before the other 2
And then the rest was just we ran out of ammo so we couldn't hold the bridge/south room

[ocean spindle]

combat shottie

[weak geode]

Yes

[ripe hamlet]

scout wave is like 10 sleepers

2 scout screams are very fine if you have a plan about where to funnel

thats like a normal alarm wave

[prime musk]

nah

normal alarm wave (non-ramped) is 15-20

2 scouts is 24

[weak geode]

Our best run was we input the 7th code but I was out knifing them at the end

[prime musk]

w knife gameplay

[ripe hamlet]

running out of ammo is overshooting

or w/e the term is when you shoot the same guy

[weak geode]

Most likely this and bad positioning that we talked about before

[ripe hamlet]

kinda have to divide role better

[tiny wyvern]

Could also just be the good ol R1C1 issue of not being able to kill stuff effectively

who knows
Only you will when you do another run tbh

[sudden nexus]

hel shotty / combat shotty

[ripe hamlet]

cant fix that without just playing and slowly improving

[weak geode]

Nah cuz r1c1 even tho its a c level we cleared on the 3rd try

[ripe hamlet]

c tier means nothing

[ocean spindle]

dont excuse their mistake

[ripe hamlet]

some c tiers are crazy hard

others are basically free

tiers are only relative within the rundown, also without optional objective

[weak geode]

Like we had practice with reactor that one was so much more easier then whatever tf this one is

[ripe hamlet]

yeah r2d2 is a big jump in reactor diff from r1c1

[ocean spindle]

well cuz this next one is one tier below in the fourth hardest rundown of the game

[ripe hamlet]

you might want to skip to r3a3 first if you give up

[ocean spindle]

mayb fifth

depends on who

probs fift

[ripe hamlet]

r3a3 is basically a mini version of r2d2

[sudden nexus]

r3a3 lwk harder than r1c1

[ocean spindle]

yes

[ripe hamlet]

no doubt

[prime musk]

all of r1 is B tier difficulty at best

r3a3 is a solid B tier as well so it checks out

[ocean spindle]

r1d1 is an easy c1 in overall difficulty for me

[weak geode]

One of my friends did mention that if we cant beat it (even tho we all agree it feels doable its just skill issue) might be best to go to r3a1 and once we get better come back to r2d2 and r2e1

[ripe hamlet]

r1c2 hardest of r1

[ocean spindle]

das the strat always usually
u get stuck, u jump to the next rundown, u return eventually

[ripe hamlet]

you could probably beat r2d2 if you keep trying

but r2e1 probably not

itll be pain and suffering

[ocean spindle]

even if u beat r2e1 u will need to skip eventually
u might try but r4 needs to be skippable it has the second/third hardest level in da game

so yes

[prime musk]

eh r4e1 is so overrated in difficulty people just don'

t

learn how to play it

[timber shoal]

yeah because they die

because its hard

[ocean spindle]

well it took me a while

[timber shoal]

as fuck

[ocean spindle]

i had to be carried ✨ a lil

r5e1 i like to think ii pulled my weight

[prime musk]

no ppl just apply the standard gameplan despite it being a very unique level in how it functions

[sinful fiber]

Done, I'mma just send those messages privately since my ADHD is all over the place with trying to remember my two runs and how It's done I don't even know how the fuck we got it done we just kinda did anyways Imma go retreat to GTFO-Chat baiii

[ocean spindle]

r4e1 fuck not

[ripe hamlet]

ppl get cooked by one-note lvl r2e1

r4e1sec ofc beat their ass

[ocean spindle]

wdym the newly added enemy u hav to encounter 4 more times in high stress situations kills ur run
like i get it but its a bitch that levels a bitch

[prime musk]

4e1 sec requires gameplan of
"defend reactor until my codehunters have figured out all the codes"
and
"ill press m1 and eat ammo if there are enemies approaching"

[ocean spindle]

it has so many unpredictability

[timber shoal]

lmao

[ocean spindle]

if u tell me r4e1 is "fair" and "predictable" whats behind the apex door

[prime musk]

you can see them through the apex door before it finishes opening

and you can see them on bio before you pull the door

[timber shoal]

😭

[ocean spindle]

thats not enough time

[timber shoal]

this is gold

[ocean spindle]

thats 2-3 seconds of time

[prime musk]

solid 15 seconds

slendi

sec door opening

is over 10 seconds

from pulling to actually open

[ocean spindle]

5 of those are it turning

thhen 3 of ominous half opening

then it starts opening

and even if it was 15 i doubt u can adapt so fast to an auto wake door

if it was like daks blood door, i would get it

[prime musk]

listen maybe im cooked from playing modded where you do anything and game goes "well have a pmom" and you have to go "oh well i guess we're positioning for pmom now and figuring that out"

[timber shoal]

you are cooked from that

exactly

[ocean spindle]

yeah u seen pmom, TWO TIMES BY NOW

MAYBE 3 if u did r5 for some reason

whichh would be odd

but i did so

i am odd-est

[prime musk]

but it's really not that hard to just read "oooh big scary door with 2 dots behind it" and looking through the door while it's opening and going "oh shit we should RUN AWAY"

[upbeat flame]

where does pmom show up the 2nd time?

[sudden nexus]

whats the second time?

[ocean spindle]

oh yeahh just one

the single time

[prime musk]

there is no second time they're imagining it

[ocean spindle]

that makes it worse

ii feel like we overrate how good a player is based on the lvl
by r4e1 ur a baby that has brought pdw cuz u thhought it was good fo da shadow people

and i seen people take it on e2 a lot so yes it happens

i seen 4 people pdw teams

they are out there

[prime musk]

not my fault most people don't actually go into the game with the intention to soak up as much information about it as possible and with the intention to get as good as possible

[timber shoal]

so like

[ocean spindle]

i did, i soaked info like a sponge in a trash filled container flooded by rain
it took me 1k hours

[upper ginkgo]

not everyone gets gtfo autism unfortunately

[timber shoal]

nevermind lmao

[ocean spindle]

maybe im bad

[sudden nexus]

no having fun only minmaxxing yourself

[ocean spindle]

but i know i am not th only bad out there

[prime musk]

well the 1/4 that is retained should have it

[ocean spindle]

my hyperfixated ass

[prime musk]

!!!!!!!!!!

[tiny wyvern]

I wonder if I have gtfo autism

Or if it's just gtfo bug autism

[ocean spindle]

i only have 3 hyperfixations, gtfo dusty and fucking apple juice

[fathom ice]

As a beginner R4E1 is catastrophically hard

[upbeat flame]

you fuckin da apple juice?

[ocean spindle]

it feels salty in ur mouth if u soak ur balls in it

its like coffee

[sudden nexus]

wdym dusty is a hyperfixation

[ocean spindle]

shes a cutie i like talking to her

[sudden nexus]

another gtfo discord e couple

wonderufl

[upbeat flame]

many such cases

[ocean spindle]

we not couple i like saying stupid jokes and she laughs

also im bi but prefer men

[sudden nexus]

thats what happened when lakana and rainbow met.........

[ocean spindle]

well but shes not a male and not near me and i need hugs or i will breakdown

[upbeat flame]

with valentines day coming up I've decided to obliterate any couple showing a shred of happiness, starting tomorrow 10 am est

I'm so excited

[sudden nexus]

real!!!!

[ocean spindle]

remded and dodo officialy dead

what a way to start the year

[sudden nexus]

remded is ded this is wild

how could this happen........

[ripe hamlet]

gg

[sudden nexus]

also dodo and i arent dating

[ocean spindle]

oh but i am ok imposter

i see ur game

[sudden nexus]

good will triumph over evil

[ocean spindle]

thats my motto

thats why i always fuckin hit rock bottom

✨

[sudden nexus]

on valentines day we do 8 person gtfo but its all the single and depressed people from this server

[uneven kiln]

https://thunderstore.io/c/gtfo/p/hirnukuono/RockBottom/

[ocean spindle]

oh but i cannot mod

im even lonelier

yippie

[ripe hamlet]

gotta have to expand the lobby to 64

at least

[uneven kiln]

Rock bottom has you wake up from HSU instead of elevator drop

[tiny wyvern]

So everyone except frosty?

[sudden nexus]

poggers

and no sky

[ocean spindle]

the suns fucking dead

good night people thats all for our broadcast

next in line how to underperform at r4d1

[sinful fiber]

Can it include just depressed people or do they gotta be single?

[sudden nexus]

have to be single

[sinful fiber]

Smh, have fun.

[burnt inlet]

Surely I’m included

[sinful fiber]

Yeah but Dodo and Chud aren't

[burnt inlet]

(I wouldn’t be included I think regardless)

[vestal crest]

Where do I solo hold in r4e1 reactor?

Can I funnel all enemies up on the catwalk?

[frail heart]

Holding in reactor with hel rifle is very easy

[vestal crest]

Inside reactor?

[frail heart]

Yeah like sitting right on the sec door

[vestal crest]

Both turrets a little forward?

[frail heart]

It means enemies spawn as close as possible

Also you get to plug codes easier

[upbeat flame]

setup I've seen is sentry left side sec door holder is right side door

[frail heart]

You can keep them with you

You can also use one as leak cover

[vestal crest]

I’m holding with a bot so it might as well be solo

Oh true

I guess Idk what to expect from this reactor so we will see what happens lol

[prime musk]

you can watch any of the solo holds done in duos to figure out how you want to play it

there are a lot to go around on youtube, be it speed or just a general clear

there are quite a few spots different people prefer to hold so you should feel free to experiment a bit. you\re slightly limited by having to also plug all the codes, but if your codehunter isn\t very fast you can get away with holding quite far away and only coming back for plug when necessary

[vestal crest]

Ok we do have a third person who can plug in between waves

1 code hunter, one holder (+bot), and one runner for resources codes and helping code hunter

I’m assuming that’s a decent setup

[prime musk]

realistically it should probably be solo holder + bot with 2 ppl going in for codes

but if your hold is not super stable having them play a bit floating and catching leaks (from both directions) isn't a bad idea

[upbeat flame]

is solo holder the play in a 4 man?

while the other 3 go code hunt?

[prime musk]

in speed yeah
in playing for clear you for sure have 2 ppl holding

[upbeat flame]

I see

does that leave one guy for code hunt while the other shuttles res?

or two code hunt while the other two hold

[prime musk]

idk what's up with ppl havving someone run res

it's really not something that someone has to do

when you need a resource as reactor holder you just go grab it

[upbeat flame]

gotcha

[hard nexus]

Did u finish 4d2

[upbeat flame]

yeah

[hard nexus]

How was it

[upbeat flame]

it was interesting, went by pretty fast

I think I'll enjoy it more with my group when we struggle with it for a bit

kenyi kinda perma foamed everything, even then the ending was still tight

so slightly concerning

[hard nexus]

It's fun in matchmaking

[upbeat flame]

in like a more normal run of the level is it worth it to go for turbine?

assuming no boosters for the perma foam

[prime musk]

for sure not

[upbeat flame]

I would assume those rooms would have res, and a more thorough full loot might be better for my slow team

ah ok

[prime musk]

getting the turbine requires clearing the surge alarm to it.

which is just like
awful

[upbeat flame]

oh there's a surge to it, hmmmm

yeah I just assumed it would be free after plugging cell for gen

[prime musk]

there's some res inside, but also enemies

[upbeat flame]

I see

[tacit cedar]

before we beat it our team tried the turbine route once and died to the cargo runback, it's definitely not worth it I'd say since it slows you down to the point where you'll probably be dealing with fog during the class 8 when you could otherwise outrun it

also having an extra thing to carry on top of the cargo sucks

[upbeat flame]

true

class 8 was pretty easily dealt with repellers, couldn't imagine what it would look like if the fog was higher

oh also with extract should someone be staying outside, like one room away to push spawns? like 4c3?

I assume extract time is the flat same no matter how many ppl b/c of cargo

[prime musk]

not worth. you are better off staying as 4 on extract with foggies

[upbeat flame]

k sounds good

yeah thinking about it if our group swaps out some of the perma foams for funnel and sniper sentry we should have enough to beat the level?

[tacit cedar]

btw if you don't mind doing this I recommend resetting runs until you get a good cargo placement

[raven copper]

brute force everything

[tacit cedar]

it can sometimes spawn all the way in the back of overload and other times you get a better spawn more in the middle

and getting out of overload is probably the hardest part

it takes like 5 mins to get to the cargo which isn't too bad

[upbeat flame]

yeeeessss by any means necessary

[prime musk]

listen you can do the ovl tech

[upbeat flame]

closest we were doing this typa thing was with 4c2 with the ids

[prime musk]

where you pick up cargo between extract scan finish and end screen

and don\t have to carry it

[upbeat flame]

but we decided against that

oh yeah I've seen that tech, but like obviously it's massive cheese

[tacit cedar]

lmao wtf

[prime musk]

ye it\s banned in speeds

[tacit cedar]

that's funny

[upbeat flame]

makes sense

I'm sure this level won't make use tweak that hard

[upbeat flame]

Oh yeah wait what’s defined as good placement, can it spawn in any part of the zone or only like c d e etc

[tacit cedar]

uhh I'm pretty sure it can only spawn in C or D

[prime musk]

idt the cargo spawn matters

[tacit cedar]

not 100% though

[raven copper]

could spawn not even 30 seconds away from the door

[tacit cedar]

there's probably a map somewhere

[prime musk]

because you can just spawnblock chain all of overload and bit of main

so your cargo is free out of ovl

[tacit cedar]

true

[dapper fiber]

Which level is this?

[upbeat flame]

By spawnblock chain do you mean one person in each room from the cargo?

[prime musk]

yeah

[upbeat flame]

R4d2

[dapper fiber]

That level sucked so hard

Idk how anyone can get PE on it

[sudden nexus]

suffering

its not that bad just boring asf

[dapper fiber]

No kidding

[raven copper]

never had any issues on it

[dapper fiber]

It took me ages to beat

[raven copper]

jus once cause we left our games on too long so we had a surge of shadows

still did it in like 2 attempts with that

was funny

[dapper fiber]

That sounds awful

[sudden nexus]

waiter waiter! more backtracking and heavy carry cross map and fog and shitass level design because this game lwk sucks

[raven copper]

it spawn capped so chargers didnt spawn so was actually worth

[tacit cedar]

right before we extracted our host got dced and the migration rubberbanded us from extraction to halfway across the map

it was scuffed asf

[raven copper]

you get more charger errors instead remmy :>

[upbeat flame]

I just know this is gonna take a bit with my group cuz they move at the pace that old people shag

[sudden nexus]

need to go do samdown

[raven copper]

bruh

unfortunately I have a 9-5 here helping people with clears

[dapper fiber]

Might have to utilise your services sometime

[upbeat flame]

That might be the one thing worse than working retail

[raven copper]

im tired boss......

[sinful fiber]

You deserve your rest, I try and help.

[dapper fiber]

Not today lol

[raven copper]

what lvls

[dapper fiber]

Not trying to go through and get PE everywhere

[raven copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1409039778506080396/1468845770655531070/togif.gif

[dapper fiber]

I haven't beaten the game yet so im not too fussed about PE

Doing r2e1 atm

[upbeat flame]

You running 2e1 again

[raven copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1016593161583341600/1299124645617733774/rabid__betl.gif

[dapper fiber]

What is that supposed to mean

[raven copper]

r2e1 isn't fun unless its being speedran

[sinful fiber]

Cleared it twice with the help of others, only right that I return the favor. Although maybe not now, am eepi

[upbeat flame]

Nah you got it, 40 min in and out

[dapper fiber]

Just sitting in the lobby waiting for some people to join

[raven copper]

@violet violet someone requires your r2e1 services

[sinful fiber]

So you gonna help with that or what.

[upbeat flame]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-me-run-0qmadethis-antmadethis-gif-13956043708576156698

I’m ass bruh I am an active detriment

[sinful fiber]

40 minutes, in and out, just like you said

[upbeat flame]

Nah nah nah you got it

I volunteer you as a sacrifice player

[sinful fiber]

I ain't being one unless I got a homie with me

[upbeat flame]

Hmmmmm

[dapper fiber]

I have space for 2

[upbeat flame]

Nah I should go to bed tho, I got class early tmrw, so sorry fellas

[dapper fiber]

All g

[upbeat flame]

If you still need help w the level lmk, I might be available tmrw

[dapper fiber]

Will do

[raven copper]

ill also be sleeping early tonight

in about a hr

[dapper fiber]

Wanna join?

[raven copper]

if we arent speeding it I'll not have enough time

[sinful fiber]

I'm tempted but wayy too eepi

[frail heart]

all i see is bro saying hes eepy 😭

[timber shoal]

i can relate

[raven copper]

I can also relate

[upbeat flame]

Real asf tbf, only in death do we get our eternal rest

[sinful fiber]

Imma fucking eep, gn

[vestal crest]

Dayum those hybrids get bad on code 6

Huge W we made it that far tho

[upper ginkgo]

gg

[tardy ingot]

5th/6th

Which means 3rd to 4th from the bottom btw xD

[tender flame]

hello , for the "Swift" achievement , do I need to win the run as well or can i just kill the pmom and then die?

[raven copper]

jus killing it should be enough

we had a instance where it woke an spawned but we died without getting hit from the babies an it gave achievement to some friends of mine so xd

[tender flame]

i see.. i will give it an other shot thx

[raven copper]

ye that ones kinda weird idk y, I think since the lvl derendered an despawned everything the mom technically died an since we took no dmg to it, it was like ok here's achievement xd

[flat pecan]

in my group we got it randomly in a level without a p-mom at all

[tiny wyvern]

You could've gotten it beforehand, it just didn't update the achievement thingy

[thick stump]

for me we just killed a sleeping one because we wanted to kill it as fast as possible, we haven't even known that it was an achievement xD

[flat pecan]

thats probably what happened to us

[ocean spindle]

theres 2 achivs
Swift which is "Kill a P-mother without taking any damage from baby strikers"
and Rapid Respone which is "Kill a Mother without it having used its spawning ability"

[ocean spindle]

that u know of >3>

the pmom in the wall

[flat pecan]

wait is that a thing ??

we already had sleepers in walls but pmom ? xD

[ocean spindle]

ksdmksm

no

but what lvl was it=

?

[flat pecan]

well to be honest I Don't remember it was like 3months ago

[ocean spindle]

cuz i know of one instance that u can get the achiv cuz theres a /kill all command

which is ||R7E1||

[its an E tier]

[sudden nexus]

use brazil to kill pmom?

[flat pecan]

it was in R4-R5 based on the progression

thas all I can say but I clearly remember getting the achieve for no reason and wondering what was going on

[sudden nexus]

are there pmoms in r5?

[flat pecan]

probably R5

[sudden nexus]

r4 has one

[ocean spindle]

not like purposefully but it does it and u can get it for free

also yes in ||D1||

[flat pecan]

||R4e1|| has one but

[sudden nexus]

oh yea stinky level

[flat pecan]

I'm pretty sure it was in a random level of R5

[sudden nexus]

does brazil clear scout queue?

[ocean spindle]

not shure then

[prime musk]

in 7e1?
i believe so

[flat pecan]

the first time we finish the ||tank error||and reach that point we just wiped on the ||screaming door|| cause of the surprise hahaha

wasn't expecting a double boss after the rest of the level

[sudden nexus]

oh im talking a different level lmao

r4e1 is eh

[ocean spindle]

funnt code

my internet is dying help

[raven copper]

give it cpr

[flat pecan]

what do you mean by scout queue ?

[raven copper]

the humble scout nukes

[sudden nexus]

if you wake a bunch of scouts at once they cant spawn all enemies because spawncap

so it queues the waves

spawns them when cap is open

[flat pecan]

oh and due to brazil skip the cap is already reached

or close to it I guess

[raven copper]

the humble almost 5min worth of scout waves

[flat pecan]

how does this work with reactor wave, is it semi random like half brazil wave half reactor

[raven copper]

i cant recall but eva would be best person to ask

i believe they hold pablo an react wave in their speedrun

[sudden nexus]

are you talking brazil skip?

[raven copper]

yes

idk enough about it to talk about it

[flat pecan]

yeah same and its way too hard for our group haha, we already had trouble clearing 7e1 haha

[tacit cedar]

I think the charger waves get delayed a little bit during reactor waves

[raven copper]

it should in theory but idk fs

dont wanna misinform so not gonna say anything concrete cause idk

[tacit cedar]

ye not 100% sure either

there is def some inconsistency with the charger timing

[raven copper]

ye thats fs

but the actual like details of how it all works idk

[little pilot]

they 100% do

depends on rng slightly

[prime musk]

it just spawns the group that fits as soon as possible regardless of from what it was queued

[sudden nexus]

which is more likely to fit?

[prime musk]

the one with the smallest group is the one that spawns in?

[tacit cedar]

looking at a replay the chargers spawn every 90-100s on average

110s was the biggest gap I found during a wave

[sudden nexus]

.....and how big is reactor compared to charger?

[prime musk]

rem i have NO clue

like listen

group size != wave size

every wave spawns in as groups

so like 1st nm6 in e2 for example
wavesize scales from 17 to 25 and group size scales from 5 to 10

(which is why split spawns happen btw because the groups spawn in different rooms)

reactor waves usually have pretty big group sizes though so i would imagine that the room scan group size is smaller than it

[fathom ice]

Zed idt reactors have groups

Or like

It has initial group if it makes sense

And if stuff from the initial group doesn't fully spawn in it's like a surge

Where it would spawn whenever cap is free

[little pilot]

ALL alarms have groups: some just happen to have only 1

or to be more exact

ALL enemy waves spawns have groups

[prime musk]

when it has picked a wave to spawn in it treats it as surge i believe
but it picks the wave based on which one has a groupsize that allows it to initially spawn in

[tacit cedar]

the room scan is just 1 group of 10 chargers every time so ig it only gets delayed when reactor queues a group with less than 10 enemies?

[prime musk]

is it actually 1 group

[tacit cedar]

they all spawn in at once with like 0.2s between spawns

[flat pecan]

yeah but each spawn is a group right ?

[prime musk]

i can check the datablock in a moment

[prime musk]

nevermind apparently im not good enough at reading datablocks to figure it out

i would have to start looking into the event datablock and that seems very very annoying because i can't read which event actually is tied to the waves without checking all of them

[tacit cedar]

ye but they all spawn basically simultaneously

it would make sense for it to be 1 group since they only spawn in that one room

could be wrong tho

[flat pecan]

yeah don't worry it was just out of curiosity

[flat pecan]

yeah well atleast I got a rough idea about how its supposed to work , thanks

[uneven kiln]

I would think you just check SWS

[prime musk]

well the wave should be tied to one of the events tied to the terminal command no?

but none of the trigger an alarm in the "triggersalarm" flag

so something else is in their event data in that datablock

[uneven kiln]

      "m_pauseBetweenGroups": 20.0,
      "m_wavePauseMin_atCost": 1.0,
      "m_wavePauseMax_atCost": 10.0,
      "m_wavePauseMin": 1.0,
      "m_wavePauseMax": 20.0,
      "m_populationFilter": [
        "Standard",
        "Special",
        "MiniBoss"
      ],
      "m_filterType": "Include",
      "m_chanceToRandomizeSpawnDirectionPerWave": 1.0,
      "m_chanceToRandomizeSpawnDirectionPerGroup": 1.0,
      "m_overrideWaveSpawnType": true,
      "m_survivalWaveSpawnType": "OnSpawnPoints",
      "m_populationPointsTotal": -1.0,
      "m_populationPointsPerWaveStart": 10.0,
      "m_populationPointsPerWaveEnd": 10.0,
      "m_populationPointsMinPerGroup": 10.0,
      "m_populationPointsPerGroupStart": 10.0,
      "m_populationPointsPerGroupEnd": 10.0,
      "m_populationRampOverTime": 0.0,
      "name": "Trickle 10-20 SSpM Spawnpoints",
      "internalEnabled": true,
      "persistentID": 209
    },```

This is the wave used in the room scan with a filter of 5 to make it all chargers

[prime musk]

well that's easy

1 group

what chain of ids did you follow from levellayout and finding correct zone

[uneven kiln]

I just fired the command on the terminal and did ListWave with CConsole and that give me populationID 5 and persistentID 209, then I went to SurvivalWaveSettingsDataBlock

It’s a combination of SWS and Population dbs

[prime musk]

i get it you didn't actually read the datablocks to find it smh

[uneven kiln]

I don’t unless I have to because it can get really messy because dbs are autogenerated compared to what the devs themselves used in unity

[prime musk]

valid ig

[timber shoal]

[[R4E1]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R4E1

[ocean spindle]

look at this goober

checkin wiki of the lvl being played

smh

[timber shoal]

i dont know r4e1 code hunt <3

[ocean spindle]

smh

die trying

that the way

[crystal blaze]

Shoot in zone 513 (or whatever)

The mothers will applaud you

[ripe hamlet]

Wake all moms

Get infinite babies

Get game to shit itself making you unhittable

Ez W

[prime musk]

tanks and normal enemies still hit you
(babies basically cannot hit you. normals struggle a lot. tanks still always hit you)

[undone raven]

where do you put the sentry for holding bulkhead door?

r4e1 reactor

[keen seal]

he's solo holding

I cast curse of desync

[undone raven]

im host

fuck you

[keen seal]

I said I cast curse of desync

you will see

the code hunters are gonna wake mom zone because they are desynced and don't notice

[undone raven]

glorp

[prime musk]

you place it on left platform at back of connector
you never really hold bhk door perma, you shoot 1 or 2 waves and then back up for any variety of reasons (code plug, res grab, stability, reloads)

[undone raven]

unfort i read this to late and placed it right on bk door

the hold was fine i just ran outta medi

with the sentry back it wouldve been suuuper stable

[prime musk]

ye it's like
it doesn't help you much in bhk door but having it as cover for backing up and reloading/pinging/eating res is REALLY nice

[undone raven]

yeah in bhk door its doin a whole lotta nothing

but its actually so much more stable than i thought

sawed off is like

kiiinda fuckin busted

[prime musk]

ye holding bhk door with sawed off scatter is actually really stable and kinda fun

[undone raven]

revo kinda burns through ammo cz just spam at shadows and stuff cuz you cant see head

but its fine

[prime musk]

revo you just gotta spam yeah. like you're going to be spamming sawed off into your hybrids and stuff regardless so you can spam revo to balance

[undone raven]

its kinda nice how the hybrids just run out to you can sawed off spam

kindaaa goated spot

[past mesa]

Woke up a mom but it is fine bro

just chill

[prime musk]

you can do the same holding reactor by just hiding in reactor

if you do it before they ever peek you you get to kill them way before your shadows come in

[undone raven]

yeah but when i hold reactor i never use sawed off

dtr goes tooo crazy

[prime musk]

based as fuck

[ripe hamlet]

r4d1sec duo done

the last wave is somewhat scary but otherwise very chill reactor

[prime musk]

ye

gj

[normal granite]

R4D1 pretty chill in general
Its one of the ones im pretty excited to do solo