gtfo-related-questions

[unborn agate]

Like kf1 when my mates weren’t on I usually played with sea / china / South America (tho this was a bit harder ping wise but the Argentinians and Brazilians were nice guys)

[frail heart]

im so used to playing on high ping in this game that i dont really care anymore

playing on aussie host is like a treat for me

[unborn agate]

Where r u from?

Oh ur Aussie

U should carry me in r2d2 (pls i just wanna do all the missions in order lmao)

[frail heart]

yeah im aussie

[frail heart]

we can duo it if you want

or just pub it

[unborn agate]

Yea if u want to host we can duo or pub idm, no one really join pub tho from my experience

[normal granite]

@unborn agate if you need a hand clearing, ill be free soon

Like 10 minutes

Or until i get my pc booted

Whichever happens last

Ah you got a team

Nvm

[unborn agate]

oh hi sir

[upbeat flame]

How does slug shotty do into chargers?

[mystic rock]

2 tap

still gotta be somewhat close but not as close as hitting the one tap against strikers

[upbeat flame]

So not great is what I’m getting

[mystic rock]

ye

[upbeat flame]

Well it’s better than the heavy smg atp I’ll take what I can get

[prime musk]

lowkey it's one of the better mains into chargers still

like all the autos suck except autopistol

[mystic rock]

top 5 I guess

[prime musk]

and it's guaranteed stagger which is nice

[thick stump]

you can take the sawed-off shotgun and one shot them

[mystic rock]

really inconsistently*

and more dangerous as client

[upbeat flame]

Oh I’m taking the sawed off, my teammates are not

Why more dangerous as client?

[mystic rock]

start licking from further visually and have to hit earlier to not get hit back

so less time and more distance

just always go for double tap unless it's a free one tap

[upbeat flame]

Gotcha

Yall thinking taking the hel gun into 4c3 would be better than the hel rifle?

[prime musk]

nah

[mystic rock]

rarely a reason to take hel gun over hel rifle

[prime musk]

i suppose
if your team is slotting a bunch of random shit

[mystic rock]

hel rifle has a faster chargup so it's even better than hel gun for reactive shot despite doing literally more damage

[prime musk]

then hel gun dealing half dmg on pen is like pretty good as well

[upbeat flame]

Yes they are :)

[mystic rock]

and if you feel like you're lacking in the reactive department just slot sawed off/dmr/hel revo to just stagger chain multiple chargers

[upbeat flame]

I feel like reactive damage is fine I’m running the sawed off

I’m just wondering if the hel rifle is overkill

[prime musk]

no

it is not

[mystic rock]

no reason to not take hel rifle into chargers

[prime musk]

it is the special for killing chargers

[upbeat flame]

Alright fair enough

Also can the hel gun kill scouts

[prime musk]

needs occi

[upbeat flame]

Damn

[prime musk]

or you can headshot+bodyshot

fire rate is high enough that it's 100% consistent if you actually hit the shots

[upbeat flame]

Does the headshot leave a big enough stagger window?

[prime musk]

stagger not required

[upbeat flame]

Oh neat

[mystic rock]

is it though ?

you roll a 0.25 and you're fucked

[burnt inlet]

Is cscout wake timing diff?

[prime musk]

no

the only scout with different timings is zoomer scout

double hel gun to back is 100% consistent if you mechanics are on point.

[burnt inlet]

Swear someone said it’s inconsistent with hel Gun then 🚬

[prime musk]

they're a pub

[burnt inlet]

#gtfo-chat message

Damn

Jade pub

[prime musk]

maybe i have misunderstood how hel gun fire rate behaves. but i have never failed a cscout with hel gun so i doubt it isn't at least very consistent

[ocean spindle]

host stuff?

[drifting stirrup]

Theres something i dont get about HEL guns

Idk what

Its just they feel weird

[thick stump]

maybe because you need to charge them up, so you must predict your shots, more or less

[civic wave]

you don't really predict at all, because the charge up time is so short and the bullets function as hitscan

you wait for line up

and fire or whatever

[thick stump]

yeah that's true

[upbeat flame]

Hel gun did feel a bit weird to use when I first fire it but you get used to it pretty quick

[modern reef]

my friend cant join mid mission right?

im on the lobby and it says waiting for master, my friend cant join, anyone know a solution?

[keen seal]

should be able to

first thing that comes to mind is to check if the slots are set to allow players to join

[modern reef]

yeah we were just playing fine like 5 mins ago

is set to players and bots

we did like 2 missions, i had to step out for a second, now im inviting him and he cant join

[urban sorrel]

chances are the code is not in clipboard or only part of the code is

[modern reef]

im inviting him directly

[urban sorrel]

I can't think of anything else without seeing a screenshare or something

[modern reef]

he would be able to see the lobby after accepting the invite, but then game would say waiting for master and then boot him out

[urban sorrel]

never seen that before; I would try changing hosts/restarting if I were you

I always use lobby codes, I wasn't even aware you could join through steam UI

[modern reef]

after searching in the server, seems like a common error

shucks

but is weird cause we were just playing

[drifting stirrup]

Im more concerned about who on earth switches to Linux and wants to play games online

[ripe hamlet]

vpn?

[modern reef]

xd lmao thats besides the point

[ripe hamlet]

if not vpn then i guess its just bad internet/desync nuking the lobby

[modern reef]

no, nothing changed, we were already playing

[tiny wyvern]

Is your lobby just dead thanks to the mem leak thing

And you're inviting him to a bugged out lobby

[modern reef]

we both restarted pc

[tiny wyvern]

Try rebooting the game and then setting up a lobby

And you just had this issue?

Was playing fine?

[modern reef]

yeah

we played 2 missions, i had to go out real quick do something, came back and then boom

[tiny wyvern]

What time is it for you?
Your ISP might be having some sort of maintenance that's faqing with your connection

Most likely something to do with ISP if it was working properly

[minor fractal]

Did you clear Steam download cache?

[modern reef]

No

Didn't think it'd get that far, ill try thay tomorrow

[vestal crest]

Is the goal In r4d2 (pe) to save doors during alarms so that you can close them on the way to extraction later?

We basically had no doors last time and got overwhelmed on extract because of no ammo

[tardy ingot]

1 or 2 can be nice
Typically on the alarms that you rather funnel than foam

[vestal crest]

Makes sense

If we save some doors can we outrun the shadows enough to make them move even slower?

[tardy ingot]

the class 3, class 4 and 1 of the doors leading to class 6 aswell as 1 or even 2 leading to class 7 are easily saved

[vestal crest]

It was the chargers that got us the first time, if we delay shadows that should help right?

[tardy ingot]

eh. In a way

But also you still usually gotta shoot on extract. Ammo shouldnt be too much of an issue unless you are very wasteful

[vestal crest]

I think we just didn’t have room for some ammo packs going through the zones and when going back to overload we forgot to pick them up

I’m assuming if we all had ammo the chargers wouldn’t have been too much of a problem, but if we could delay them it would make it so much easier I think

We also kinda messed up by all sitting on extract instead moving up a room

[slim viper]

That’s a very tactful way to say “if you have bad aim”

[prime musk]

if you save EVERY DOOR, you don't have to shoot during extract without foam
if you save most doors and foam them, you also don't have to shoot on extract. these both have advantage of killing tank being optional. (you can do a parkour to avoid walking next to tank)
but in general you will spend enough doors during alarms that you're only foaming them to get to full carry you cargo without fighting.
on extract you should have at least 2 foggies to last the entire duration, but preferably 4 to give you good visibility forwards as well.

[burnt inlet]

Or if you pull stuff you shouldn’t be

[vestal crest]

im seeing 6 doors i can save

that wont really affect alarms so im guessing ill be fine

[vestal crest]

yup saving 6 doors made it so free

shadows trickled in, no chargers until like 60%

[fervent turret]

how hard would you guys say r4e1 is?

its the one with the error alarm of spawning in a tank every 4 mins

[timber shoal]

yes

its a very difficult mission

not a lot of room for mistakes

[prime musk]

it is pretty chill
a good mission to play if you just want to shoot guns for like 1 hour

[minor fractal]

It doesn't really hold up after R8 tbh

but it's still much harder than average

[frail heart]

R4E1 is so goated

[strange rover]

Top 3 hardest missions, tank error is very fun with other players and the right weapons

Motherroom in the reactor is the worst part

[civic wave]

i wonder how r4e1 would be if you patched to make it more like the og (with enemies in zones, having more hybrids in code search, more scouts, less res in code search, and no c tripmines)

like i feel half the reason it doesn't hold up as well is that the level gives you too much to work with for too little

[prime musk]

i mean sure

but at a high level removing res or ctrips doesn't make a difference

[civic wave]

ye

high level play you still demolish everything

mid level and below you'd get squeezed

[prime musk]

i think the main thing that irks me about the sec design is just the ctrips

like

there is no reason to give you the ctrips

it only helps you destroy main more

[flat pecan]

hello guys, we're currently doing R8A2 , we typed the password for the secondary objective

but for some reason the bulkhead door doesn't want to be opened

[civic wave]

if you progress too far into the main objective, you will not be able to use the terminal command to open secondary

[flat pecan]

ah right

reset it is then

[civic wave]

EVAL_INIT i think the command was, if that part matters

[flat pecan]

I think we went too far in the main, we were going blind and I remembered about the password thing and tried to backtrack into the secondary

but thx

[frail heart]

Yeah you can't open any of the security doors after the checkpoint door

Or you won’t be able to do it

[modern reef]

What is nrv probe

[ashen frigate]

Some form of probe measuring the state of the operative. I don't think it was tied to any real vital measurement from the real world

It made me think of HRV, for Heart Rate Variability

[modern reef]

So it means nothing?

[ashen frigate]

Nothing that we know of, or how the game determines it, I believe

[modern reef]

Weird stat to include in the end screen, if its been this long and people still haven't figured it out 🤣

[ashen frigate]

I do believe that it is a similar indicator as HRV, however, used to determine "how stressed out " the person is, at the end of the expedition (the value being always very bad in game)

[safe cradle]

cant you just open the bulk for secondary, wait for the scan to appear, then open the sec doors?

I swear I did something to be able to get the res from the side zones before going into secondary

Maybe it got patched along the way and previously you could?

Or maybe I'm just misremembering.

[frail heart]

i mistyped in myy message whoops

[willow sun]

Hi, i've been struggling with r2d2 a lot but I finally got it a couple of days ago, how much harder is r2e1 in comparison?

[tardy ingot]

A lot

R2D2 is ~25th in difficulty
R2E1 is ~5th

[willow sun]

Ooh I see, I think I'll try it out for a bit and see how it goes and if it's not going well my team will probably just move to R3

[tardy ingot]

Thats always a good idea

[somber bluff]

what is R4D2 PE intended route by design? Is it "complete overload" and then go complete main?

[civic wave]

you open overload, do extreme/secondary, then main, then carry cargo to extract

[minor fractal]

Most likely get cell+turbine, backtrack w/ turbine to fetch cargo

[somber bluff]

@civic wave @minor fractal thanks guys!

[minor fractal]

Turbine is extremely unpopular, ofc.

[sudden trellis]

Seems I found a Chinese knock off server here

[minor fractal]

?

[safe cradle]

I still want to know how fast fog rises to its maximum point in R4D2

Because all the times I've cleared it with pubs it weirdly looked like it was always the same despite some runs being way slower than others

My speculation is that it just reaches its top point in something like 20-30mins

[minor fractal]

Have you looked at the DB for it?

I don't actually know how fog transitions work

[safe cradle]

Nope

[minor fractal]

I might cconsole

to see what the max is

[safe cradle]

If you really have spare time 🤷‍♂️ It's just a curiosity that I assumed speedrunners knew because, well, time

[minor fractal]

Extremely few people run PE speeds

and best PE route one-shots the Overload carry (Secondary -> Overload w/ immediate cargo grab -> Main w/ Cargo).

You don't interact with fog almost at all iirc

Maybe class VI and the last alarm

[uneven kiln]

There is no maximum point but the whole map gets covered in ~90 minutes

[ocean spindle]

i wonder how they test that

do they put a timer checking what zones r filled after x minutes

[safe cradle]

I believe you, I just find it bizarre because it oddly always look like it rises at the same thresholds both in 70 and 90mins runs

Maybe it's just the way elevation works there that gives me the false impression of it always being "roughly" the same

[minor fractal]

It's probably a map layout breakpoint thing

[safe cradle]

After all extraction is pretty low-ish

[minor fractal]

After X amount of time, certain things get covered

and it takes a really long time before anything else important also gets covered

[safe cradle]

Yeah that makes sense

[minor fractal]

Like, the zones before and after the zone w/ class 5

Those will probably always be covered on the way back no matter what you do

But you'd have to take exceptionally long for fog to start creeping into the class V zone or second to last zone

K, after like 40 minutes at 10x timescale it's already way higher than I've ever seen it

[tiny wyvern]

You from the CN community or smth?

[topaz anvil]

One of life's greatest mysteries

[cerulean fjord]

can someone pls explain to me what Queue Frames is about in the game settings?

[ripe hamlet]

More input lag for better performance

[burnt inlet]

the red reticle stays the same regardless of dmg right?

[keen seal]

rectangle?

[burnt inlet]

reticle dunno why my autocorrect doesnt recognize that word 🚬

and im saying specifically red

not like gray or whatever

[keen seal]

you get 4 lines from the corners on normal hit

and 8 lines on a crit hit

[burnt inlet]

never noticed 🚬

[keen seal]

can't tell you if back counts as crit

but head and tumor def do

[burnt inlet]

tank tumor does

[keen seal]

and I'm pretty sure kill marker is just crit but orange

now I wanna check this

[burnt inlet]

ik armour is 4 gray

[burnt inlet]

slightly bigger id say

[keen seal]

prob that too

at least thicker lines if nothing else

and maybe less opaque

[burnt inlet]

why tf doesnt cconsole spawn strikers from the name "striker"

🥀

[keen seal]

numbers

do Enemylist

[burnt inlet]

yea but lke

tank

spwawns from tank

[keen seal]

l bozo idk

[burnt inlet]

ok i have to attribute it to wave or sleeping

[normal granite]

Striker wave and striker hibernate pretty sure

[keen seal]

mmm right

white people be like

[normal granite]

And striker_bullrush

[keen seal]

also yes back damage gives the crit hit marker

[keen seal]

get that away from me

it's gonna melee me

[normal granite]

Striker_bullrush_big

[burnt inlet]

yea cconsole moment

anyways

didnt snow

[normal granite]

Okay legitimate question, but unrelated to gtfo

My ear is blocked. How do i unblock it

[keen seal]

hold your nose and try to blow air out of it

honestly idk

[burnt inlet]

go to doctor

ask them to squirt some water behind the clogg

ez

tuho im bored

hop on smth

[keen seal]

hop on Vega

[burnt inlet]

🚬

[upbeat flame]

Anyone know that config for archive that I can turn off to not autokick players

[burnt inlet]

go to settings (in the game) then mod settings and then scroll all the way down

[upbeat flame]

Oh word

[raven copper]

w comms

[upbeat flame]

l comms

does duplicate logs count towards d-lock cipher achievement? the archive actually lets me know which logs I'm missing but some of them are the duplicate logs, so I'm wondering if they count

I would assume not cuz I thought the magical number was 180 for the achievement, but I see 188 logs

[ocean spindle]

i think they count as they are on diff lvls

but

v not sure

it be 188 so

[upbeat flame]

wait nvm I just got the number wrong I'm tweakin

[ocean spindle]

waos

[hard nexus]

What moth said. There is a specific doctor with a chair that's like at the dentists. He puts some shit in your ear then vacuums it. I've done it in a different country for about 80usd, but if u have Medicare could be free here idk.

He told me not to use qtips and just get in with my fingers to remove wax from now on. Didn't have an issue since

[civic wave]

depends on the blockage, i find that pressing my palm against my ear to increase the pressure then releasing sometimes helps

[timber shoal]

bueno

[upbeat flame]

did the sniper sentry flick shot you????

[timber shoal]

yes

my favorite part of the sniper sentry

[upbeat flame]

you got put in the sentry's MLG montage

[glass agate]

Hey, just got here and trying to make sure I don't screw up looking for a party, are the voice channels created when you post in the lfg channel, or do you just snag an empty one?

[upbeat flame]

you gotta click the group of 4 vc to make a vc

or make a group of 3 or 2, whatever your desired size is

[glass agate]

Gotcha, thank ya!

[upbeat flame]

then it shuttles you in to a new vc where you can then make an LFG post and invite ppl

[tiny wyvern]

ye you got that right

[unborn agate]

anyone know how to make names / teammate info tags bigger?

like i find it hard to see names / the info above their head if they're far away

[timber shoal]

should be under hud settings

[ripe hamlet]

finally got that r4c2pe duo

hopefully never again

has bad scan rng and has to go into all zones to get more ammo

two and a half hours

[burnt inlet]

goated

[ripe hamlet]

the only hard part is the surge

but only because it was mind numbing walking across the map to get res in other zones

then you save doors for the shadow error and its free

[prime musk]

what tools did you bring

bio + hel auto?

[ripe hamlet]

bio and hel auto

yeah

[prime musk]

w choices

c3 next?

[ripe hamlet]

d1 first

c3 is another mind numbing one

cant do them back to back

[prime musk]

c3 just do ovl before sec

and it's pretty fast and chill

[ripe hamlet]

charger error kinda annoying

[prime musk]

just feed the hel rifle while scatter pushes

[ripe hamlet]

more hel rifle gaming for me

[prime musk]

trade roles

it's both fun and good for improvement

[ripe hamlet]

yeah i should do that

need to get some practice in for scatter anyway

[prime musk]

playing both roles also give you like
understanding on how both roles want to play a situation so it allows you to adjust your decisions better on both the roles

[ripe hamlet]

were somewhat flexible when it come to roletrading

the only thing that is a me only thing is bio

[prime musk]

considering bio is usually a thing you throw on bosskill that's a bit surprising but i guess it makes some sense

because in the situations where bio is forced on a specific player it is almost always onto waveclear

[lean kiln]

can anyone tell me if flashlights trigger the sleepers? I always put them off and wait for them to pulsate, but i cant see shit if i let it turned off. just wanted to ask to save time for my runs

[keen seal]

yes it does, not instantly though

[lean kiln]

can you tell me the about time i can leave it on before waking them up?

english isnt my first language, so, sorry for any mistakes

[keen seal]

idk like around 2 seconds

[lean kiln]

alrighty thank you

[keen seal]

I mean you can also test it yourself

if you just flash them briefly they should only glow

[lean kiln]

the second i boot up the game one of my friends texts me to play, tbh its extremely exhausting at times, cause hes almost finished. the problem is, he cant explain anything. So he just carries me through and hopes i pick it all up.

therefore i try to get to know more about the game, to make it easier for us both. still very fun, id just like to not be a burden and show some engagement.

[tardy ingot]

Good info for you

Have the flashlight on
But not directly on the enemy. Look at their feet or around them

[ocean spindle]

not the carry :[

being carried feels so boring

[ripe hamlet]

if youre going to get carried do it in true duo at least

or you can just make lfg post here for easier missions

[prime musk]

imagine a "wakeup" meter for the enemies. it fluctuates randomly by default, and having your flashlight on it increases it at a fixed rate. at 100% the enemy is awoken. and at certain breakpoints inbetween it transitions from sleeping to glowing (can alert from long rate) and from glowing to shaking (no difference in behaviour, but extremely close to waking up now)

[ripe hamlet]

best advice for flashlight is that you can flash the entire room so that you sync the sleepers cycle

[lean kiln]

that i picked up already, still good to have a verification on that

thank y'all for the help and informations <3

not to bother, but theres another thing thats popped up in my mind. something i have no idea on how it might work, feels a bit random. my buddy calls it "long aggro". sometimes, enemies randomly awake from a far, if for example i stealth kill a lone sleeper, all of a sudden the whole rooms on top of us. Can anyone give me some advice on that?

[ocean spindle]

so when sleepers glow, they are sensing not only movement and light, but actively listening
if u kill an enemy and another is glowing in, say 10 meters ~, it has a chance to wake up and scream, causing thhe room to also be woken up

this is where the light trick comes in play, as u can light around and make everyone sync so they stop glowin

[lean kiln]

but its not just when im technically in his line of sight right?

[ocean spindle]

u can also practice going a bit faster by killing one and walking towards the next awoken one

[ocean spindle]

it- it be
they have to be in line of sight of his ded buddy to wake up, stuff like columns and glass block long range aggro :3

[lean kiln]

yeah, the only real thing i got explained was "dont panic". If one wakes up, you got a chance to not fuck it all up

[lean kiln]

thats very good to know, thank you for that

[ocean spindle]

if u see it not attacking, u can press right click with ur melee to do a shove
if ur fast, the cancel wont go through and the room will stay asleep

shoving is underrrated :3

[lean kiln]

so shoving is basically a stun to open a window for the melee kill?

[ocean spindle]

yes - its a damageless stagger that can allow u to cancel an enemy attack or a scream, givin u a window to charge and move to kill :3

its v useful to go for the back of the head of an enemy

which is the spot that takes the more dmg

[lean kiln]

that'll help, thanks alot

[lean kiln]

is that for every type of enemy?

[ocean spindle]

yes - theres enemies that vary how much dmg u do on their weakspot
but the weakspots are head, back [which is always a x2 dmg] and occiput, which combines both

for example on a normal

its head its a x3 dmg multi :]

[lean kiln]

"occiput", is that a typo? again, sorry for my english

[ocean spindle]

occiput is back of the head ksks

is ok

evryone learns what occi is thanks to gtfo

[lean kiln]

thats some good info for the next rundown. i think last time we finished r1c3, where you have to do the waves by the reactor. took some tries but i gained lots of those artifacts haha

[ocean spindle]

ohhh r1c1 :]
u got past the very first wall of the game then

yippiee

🎉

[lean kiln]

my role was just bruteforce tbh. took cover on the bridge past the connecting hallway, and constantly fired an lmg into the breach, was funny tho

[ocean spindle]

das the way ✨

its good practice to get used to enemy walkin anims

learning how to pew pew is important too

well maybe not as muchh for c2 but-

thats for u later to see :3

[lean kiln]

yeah my experience is that the gunplay is rather clunky, bot not bad. i was constantly switching weapons so i got to get used to a good variety

[ocean spindle]

nice nice, these r the missions to check what u like, what u dont like and what feels comfy to u

u only rlly need to start learning "metas" way later

[lean kiln]

hel revolver is my fav rn. but its sadly very occasional what to use as far as i got to know as of now

guess borderlands pushed my love for pistols but thats another story

[ocean spindle]

keep on at it maybe u find uses for hel revo >:3

i am big fan of

shotguns

✨

[lean kiln]

yeah those seem fitting for the setting for sure

but i like more bullets

[ocean spindle]

fair :]

either way some missions ask for some guns and others require other kinds of guns so
stay flexible and u will be ok

[lean kiln]

i like guns, that should be no problem

[ocean spindle]

gaming

[lean kiln]

geming

[prime musk]

sorry you already got an answer but it was kinda wishy washy imo
long range aggro works like this:
if you kill or damage an asleep enemy, the closest enemy within 15m (of the damaged enemy) that is glowing and has line of sight has a chance to wake up.
if you wake an asleep enemy by any other means the the closest enemy within 15m (of the woken enemy) that is glowing and has line of sight is guaranteed to wake up.
your flashlight when you have melee out has a range of 14m.

syncing every enemy, so that no enemy is glowing, guarantees that no enemy will wake when you stealth kill something (barring proximity aggro, which is a different mechanic)
another option that is less broadly applicable but usually faster and safer is to intentionally make the closest enemy to the one you want to kill glow, guaranteeing that if long range aggro triggers, it is on an enemy easily within your reach to kill before it can wake the room.

proximity aggro is very simple. every enemy close enough (1m i believe) that has line of sight to an enemy you damage or otherwise wake up, will also aggro. if waking an enemy triggers proximity aggro, it blocks it from also triggering long range aggro.

an enemy woken by either proximity or long range aggro does not check for aggroing other enemies by either long range or proximity, ie no "chain reaction" aggro can occur

[tardy ingot]

^ this for the explanations

but 13 meters for long range aggro. 11 meters (iirc) for the head lamp (aka melee and stuff)

prox aggro is about 3ish meters

[ripe hamlet]

Chat

Am I crazy or the white dot in bio that represents the sleeper is the proximity aggro range

[timber shoal]

lowkenuinely maybe

that'd be kinda cool if it was anyways

[minor fractal]

P sure it is

I tend to look for center of a dot in the white sphere

[wispy osprey]

my game just crashed as host, friend is still in but cannot interact with anything. I've tried rejoining via lobby code but that doesnt seem to work. Is the run done for?

[raven copper]

maybe try joining off steam

usually should be able to get back in if you crash

[wispy osprey]

will do

friends game is also bugged it seems, enemies dont react and nothing is interacteable. Unfortunate

[raven copper]

interact bug is a thing ye that you have to restart for it to work again

an wdym enemies dont react like they jus run around the room an nothing wakes?

it lowkey might be chopped😭🙏

[wispy osprey]

yeah, attacking doesnt do anything either :(

friend just left so it is definetly done for

oh hey theres my friend

typing right now!

[chrome peak]

yeah im the teammate, im a little bit suicidal rn

[wispy osprey]

no its ok!

behappy

[raven copper]

o ya the lobby mightve just nuked itself tbh

[wispy osprey]

seems so

[chrome peak]

i left the lobby so yeah its gone

[raven copper]

if your interested modded has alot of bug fixes for stuff like that

[wispy osprey]

perhaps

[raven copper]

I personally run it to have stupid shit and to fix certain issues

works wonders

what lvl was it?

[tiny wyvern]

lobby probs crashed

[wispy osprey]

oh uhhh

R4B3 i think

yeah, think thats the one

[frail heart]

yeah ur cooked

[wispy osprey]

yep

[raven copper]

r4 is like super laggy rundown I swear

always have issues on that rundown

[wispy osprey]

aw man :(

[ripe hamlet]

Never have issue with r4

R6 and r7 otoh

[raven copper]

ive had some issues with every run down besides like r1/r2/r3 and i dont think r6

out of all of em r4 fs gave me most issues bug wise

[frail heart]

krill issue

[winter breach]

Skill issue

[raven copper]

i mean ye tbh it is shouldve had bug fixes then

[grizzled patrol]

Downpatch to OG R4

Major optimisation improvements thrust me bro

[timber shoal]

do what now

[grizzled patrol]

You Heard me

[timber shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1394870671737356440/1463345390991577109/togif.gif

if you insist

[safe cradle]

When host leaves/crashes, game tries to host migrate

if it cant for mumbo jumbo reasons (corrupted some snapshot or steam fucked up) then the lobby is done

I cant remember which map but once I had the host migrate set us back to the start of the mission, 40mins gone.

Which is ironic since at that point you'd just redo the lobby entirely.

[undone raven]

what do i do in r4e1 solo hold when the hybrids just run up past me in reactor and start shooting me while the shadow wave is coming

like they are behind me in reactor while shadow wave in front

[frail heart]

Uhhhh don’t let them run past

I try and start shooting them literally as soon as I can

Then they should always aggro onto you

[undone raven]

diddy blud i was hella shooting them

[frail heart]

Take scattergun

[undone raven]

stuf

stfu

[frail heart]

Bro

It’s actually good

[undone raven]

nah its not fun though

[frail heart]

And not very hard to solo hold with

It’s more fun than hel rifle

[undone raven]

i play hel gun

[frail heart]

Hel rifle is braindead shoot same spot

[undone raven]

which is very fun thank you very much

[frail heart]

Oh

Uhhhhh you take sawed off as well?

[undone raven]

nah dtr or hel revo

like why did they push me

they want to order

[frail heart]

Bc ur in a different room

[upbeat flame]

how are you rapid firing the hel gun? is it just timing?

[frail heart]

Also the other one ran past because you didn’t shoot it

[undone raven]

yeah tbf i was kinda unstable

before

because of bad plug

[frail heart]

On 5?

[undone raven]

yeah

i pushed spawns

2

twice

so

[frail heart]

Oof

Is this speeds or just normal clear

[undone raven]

so my bad but they shouldnt have pushed to back of fucking reactor

[undone raven]

double super pub clear

[frail heart]

Yeah I mean your teammate can plug 5

[undone raven]

yeah i asked lowk

but diddyblud ran away

[frail heart]

And plug late so you have time to clear spawn push

[undone raven]

its cuz i didnt have dtr 😔

[frail heart]

Ok so we have a diddyblud

[frail heart]

Fax

[undone raven]

one time i try to bring hel revo

[frail heart]

Man someone needs to study the hel revo falloff

[undone raven]

not "a" diddyblud THE diddyblud

[frail heart]

Who’s the diddy

[undone raven]

lowk (100% deadass) i think dtr is better for solo hold than hel revo

due to being able to shoot from farther away

[undone raven]

not naming any names..

[frail heart]

Yeah it might be

[frail heart]

Cmon bro

Dm me at least

[undone raven]

i said that cuz i dont remember

lmaoooo

[frail heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245847930133418007/1363741785935056906/nk-image-edit-caption-gdn6nxus.gif

But solo holding with scatter is hella fun

[undone raven]

nah

just ragebait bc you cant run up to hybrid and scatter

hel gun is more fun

i got really close with revo i wanna do that

but i fear i need a dif hold spot

maybe bulk door

with revo sawed off

with turret outside

but then you get peaked by 10 shadows and fall back and maybe you get unstable

idk

[fathom ice]

Sawed off can solo hold by itself

[undone raven]

booooring

i wanna shoot the revo

[fathom ice]

Yes you can shoot revo, point is if there's any scary situation you can get out with sawed off

[undone raven]

but yeah i can imagine if you just sit on the sec door and spam sawed off in the door it might be free

i dont know if they come like ungrouped enough though

[fathom ice]

It doesn't matter

You can just back off at any point to get a reload

[undone raven]

no way sawed off is that good right

surely ammo is a problem

[fathom ice]

I mean

You just spam your special until anything gets close

I'm struggling to balance sawed off usually

Cuz I have too much of it lol

[undone raven]

well i meant if its just sawed off

[fathom ice]

Get gtfr and slot both in main and special

You can slot shotgun in 2nd slot

[undone raven]

ohhhh

[fathom ice]

Basically same thing

[undone raven]

does it get more ammo?

[fathom ice]

Lemme check

A bit more

8 vs 9,4

[undone raven]

hmm

its unbelieably free

i will lab the sec door spot its surely free

revo is so fun to shoot

but i cant see the shadows

[fathom ice]

You have pings

Just don't bother with shooting heads

Or use your sawed off for shadows

[frail heart]

Yeah you can lil huzz

[frail heart]

Real

[raven copper]

[[R4B3]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R4B3

[ebon light]

@undone raven <-- diddy

[raven copper]

https://tenor.com/view/fact-fact-checked-alien-fakt-zheked-true-gif-818054962495396425

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-gang-praised-gif-14847923944265501688

[grizzled patrol]

Iirc the standalone dll is already on thunderstore

[copper pelican]

Guys does aiming down sights tighten the spread of shotguns and/or scattergun?

[keen seal]

it doesn't

[prime musk]

there is no purpose to use ads on shotgun weapons except for quickswaps.

only result of it is that you stop being able to see shit because your fov gets narrrowed while in ads

[copper pelican]

ah oki

btw which is better the combat shotgun or the scattergun?

[fathom ice]

Scatter

[keen seal]

they do different things

[copper pelican]

but overall?

[keen seal]

as sky said scatter

[copper pelican]

even with the low ammo?

[fathom ice]

Yeah

[keen seal]

yeah

[fathom ice]

It is the best special

[keen seal]

it's great into bigs and bosses and isn't even that bad into waves

[copper pelican]

okay

thxx

[normal granite]

Sometimes i cant see shit without ads because of fov

Wrong server or nah

[hard nexus]

Scatter usually taken if ur gonna be the boss guy

Combat is fun

[copper pelican]

indeed 😭

[normal granite]

I liked being the boss guy

But now i am dedicated host because ive got the best pc and most consistent internet out of me and my friends

[copper pelican]

but

like

cant u still be boss guy...?

[ocean spindle]

scattergun works best as client

[copper pelican]

why?

[mystic rock]

pellet overkill

as host a tumor breaks as soon as the damage is higher than the health (health depleted)

so any other pellet hits that tumor but does no extra damage

while client you can tumor overkill

[copper pelican]

:0

[mystic rock]

because every pellet is a hit and counted as damage

[copper pelican]

good to know

[mystic rock]

because host calculation and netcode is funky and not accorded properly

also because as host you can stagger an enemy and they will instantly go into their stagger pose and you might miss pellets

but that's very minor

[copper pelican]

ill keep that in mind next run

thankss

[mystic rock]

fuck trying to find that clip of me shooting c scout but he doesn't die because host animation insta switch

I guess it was on an r5d2 I played, I thought it was on my solo clear whatever

entire crosshair was on his back and it misses

[civic wave]

the bossman

[ripe hamlet]

reject scatter embrace burst cannon

[keen seal]

Hallo boss? Yee Michael Michael. I have a problem.

[ripe hamlet]

is thats a fnaf reference?????

[fiery quartz]

New to the game. In R1A1, I collected the HSU sample (playing with 3 bots) does it cause the alarm to go off or is there a way I can go back to the entrance without alarming them

[hard nexus]

It does

Some levels it's like that

Some levels it's not

[fiery quartz]

So what should I do? The bots just dies on me. When we get to the that part. I tried running straight back to the entrance and I died anyways since I have to hold the spot until 100%

[hard nexus]

U gtfo

[fiery quartz]

I’m trying 😭

[hard nexus]

Give bots not shotguns and try better

[civic wave]

you can try and go faster? it's hard to suggest ideas when we have no idea what you are doing at base

if you run straight out there shouldn't be much of a problem, if you're getting lost or slowing down along the way that could make it more precarious

for that, you could demo the run back and make sure you're familiar with it

[hard nexus]

If you run straight out you can't miss them, maybe they are getting hit

If no biotracker give 1 bot biotracker

[tiny wyvern]

Or play with real people

Learn from them

Then solo again

Usually knowing wtf happens helps a lot

[oak oxide]

bring in CFoam and place it on the ground all in front of you, and just shoot

[fiery quartz]

The sample is at 52E (I had to climb a ladder to find the sample) from there I just dip out. the bots were low on health 1 at 20%, 2 at 40% and I’m at 54%. 1 bot has biotracker, 2 with sentry, and I have c-foam grenade. I was able to stay stealthy for the most part.

[hard nexus]

It's weird because it's not even a particularly difficult extraction. Most people don't even find the hsu. It's two levels down where extract is tough.

[fiery quartz]

Or c-foam launcher*

[digital mural]

that wont really do much tbh

sentries are better

[tiny wyvern]

For R1A1 you have so much foam it's actually doable
Though you have learn how to use it properly first

[fiery quartz]

What does this do? Slow the enemy down?

[oak oxide]

I'm saying if they already had it and the AI died, it can at least help them a bit

[fiery quartz]

Didn’t know I could do that

[tiny wyvern]

(Should one of us like solo and show you what to do)

[oak oxide]

it freezes them in place for about 15 seconds, and it stays lingering on the ground

[tiny wyvern]

(I can pull one out of my ass in a bit)

[oak oxide]

if you want I can hop on real quick and help you out

or you can come vibe with a buddy and me, we play slightly modded tho

[digital mural]

slightly?

[civic wave]

please don't play mods with beginners

[oak oxide]

duo_mode bc hes not the best at the game, and some QOL stuff, like the mod that makes it so if you take damage after you get up, but host didnt register you up yet, you dont insta die
BetterTexChat
BetterBots

thats pretty much it

[digital mural]

yikes

yeah dont play with those as a beginner

[tiny wyvern]

Oh shit duomods

[fiery quartz]

I’ll keep trying for a couple more days by myself. I like a challenge, just needed some tips what I can do. I’ll restart and make sure bots have better health

[oak oxide]

Yeah but at the same time, my friend wouldnt have played without duo_mode or the betterbots because he cant handle the difficulty

[tiny wyvern]

You may also be lacking resources and such, did you do the resource room?

[oak oxide]

he still complains about the fog and saying its bad game design, until I point stuff out lol

[tiny wyvern]

What he means is don't play in public lobbies/official disc with those

Play with them in your own time, that's fine

[fiery quartz]

I only looted the room that I needed to go to. I didn’t bother going to other rooms to find more resources lol

[digital mural]

i understand, just dont LFG with those

[oak oxide]

oh, yeah no I dont. I have a vanilla+ pack for normal MM just has viewmodelfov and bettertextchat

[hard nexus]

You can go to that optional zone to get some meds maybe. Before taking hsu go back and check on terminals maybe u missed some supply packs.

[tiny wyvern]

eva has guides on how to solo
right eva

[tardy ingot]

The difficulty is about knowledge

Watching a guide or two genuinely does as much as making the game easier with mods (or cheats) unless you go into smth like the shitty solo mode or aim bot better bots mods

[oak oxide]

yeah you arent wrong

[tardy ingot]

Fog is always so weird

Its genuinely good design for most of the game but I get that some people just cant vibe with it

Some people do act like minor visibility issues with fog in say r1b1 are as bad as the r5b3/r5d2 fog…

[tiny wyvern]

Anyways, if you need more help feel free to asks

[tardy ingot]

Not solo no

But knowing basic mechanics helps a ton. Specifically if you also have bots

[digital mural]

i wonder if DOW will have spicy fog

[thick stump]

spitters 🔥

[hard nexus]

Thought fog is fine as a noob, became fog diver. After several years of gtfo my eyesight worsened

[tardy ingot]

You can genuinely shoot A LOT more than you think

And trading resources to get more is usually quite worthwhile if you know where to go for them (using terminals)

[oak oxide]

yeah. As I said last nght, bro has NEVER beaten a single mission, even when we modded he was struggling. I got the game LAST NIGHT and managed to take him through 5 or 6 missions already by just explaining certain things.

Though I will say, duo_Mode isnt that bad. Still decently tough. Though betterbots I will say, I use just because I hate how incompetant the normal ones are. but thats just me

[thick stump]

normal ones are not that bad, you just need to know how to work with them and you can complete half of the game easy

[hard nexus]

Even with knowledge game is difficult at times tbh

[tardy ingot]

People who struggle that much rly block out trying to learn things (at least thats what Ive gathered from watching a few dozen hundred beginners)

[civic wave]

bots have their limitations and quirks, and a handful of bugs, but if you know how to wrangle them they are very consistent

[oak oxide]

fair enough. I just got annoyed by them running out of the room EVERY TIME I closed a door. BetterBots teleports them too you if they run off so.

[tardy ingot]

Idk the balance of said duo mode so without that I cant say much

But all of those mods I know of that kind are usually trash at balancing

[thick stump]

that's true, I lost 90% of my nerves only because of that 🥲

[oak oxide]

dont get me wrong, I still play vanilla, but if I'm running solo or with that friend I'll use our modpack

[tardy ingot]

Yea better bots (without the aimbot) does genuinely fix a few of their quirks

[digital mural]

they just lower the enemies a 50% as well as resources

thats all it does

[tardy ingot]

…

thats not a good change

[hard nexus]

When u half 1 tank do u round up or down

[tardy ingot]

better than that 1 solo mode that quarters the amount, hp and dmg they do (aswell as giving mega mom like 80 hp total)

But still not good

[oak oxide]

bruh lmao

[tardy ingot]

I love 1 shotting strikers with rifle bodyshots so balanced

[oak oxide]

I solo'd some duo_mode stuff and wanted to use trio_mode (75%) instead but I know the friend already dislikes the difficulty

[tardy ingot]

Especially when a whole zone gets like 5 enemies

[tardy ingot]

Honestly if you are using bots I feel like shoving info about how the game works down their throat isnt the best way

But it may make them realise that the game is not unfair or anything

[oak oxide]

nah I mean he calls a bunch of stuff unfair and then complains until I explain it.

like R3A2

[hard nexus]

What's there to complain about in 3a2

[oak oxide]

he rushed into the fog room and complained nonstop, and I said "dude, theres probably somewhere we can vent the fog out, we likely arent meant to be there yet. Low and behold, we forgot one of the batteries. It was a mistake on both parts

[tardy ingot]

people have complaned about:

1. starting giant zone being bullshit (for sneaking and killing purposes aswell as „taking too much ammo“)

2. the fog zone being bullshit since you dont get a turbine for it (not plugging cells)

[hard nexus]

1 understandable

2 is like half the game

[oak oxide]

dawg hes gonna be mad when we get to invisible enemies

either way

he struggles so I use mods to make it easier on him. Not his fault, the game is fucjing hard, but it is what it is

[hard nexus]

Respawn rooms full of giants

And maybe something else too

[oak oxide]

I told him about r8e2 and he pretty much was like "yeah we aren't doing that"

[hard nexus]

Bring him to 5c1

[oak oxide]

don't got it yet

as I said I started yesterday. I just know A LOT because I used to watch fuck loads of videos

[hard nexus]

Oh ok

[civic wave]

the game is hard, but imo most the difficulty comes from lack of knowledge rather than anything mechanical

[hard nexus]

Do 5a3pe

[civic wave]

like, knowledge is a major determinant

[tardy ingot]

The game has accessability issues (basically what goat said for it. Its just hard to get a lot of the info unless you test rly carefully or look up stuff)

[tardy ingot]

Its gonna be spiff videos or smth

[oak oxide]

I did watch the spiff videos but I watched proper gtfo youtubers too

[tardy ingot]

thats like

Scaler? And uuh tnenpi if you watched solos

[digital mural]

you count as well

kinda

[oak oxide]

I do t remember I ain't watched in a hot minute. I know I watched drewski'drewski's but they aren't FULL of info

[civic wave]

everyone always forgets hinoki's solos

[digital mural]

drewski does suck at GTFO ima just tell you that

[oak oxide]

oh I know lmao

[tardy ingot]

I did meme a bit about spiff

But he genuinely did the highest quality content of anyone not a main gtfo player

[hard nexus]

Once in a blue moon the algo gives me a 2hr video of comparing gtfo main weapons in russian

[civic wave]

is it a good comparison

are they smart

[hard nexus]

Idk I couldn't be fucked

[civic wave]

time to learn russian

[digital mural]

on my way at your location

[hard nexus]

I just like to get high and listen to gtfo survival theme or reactor level 3 and algo goes nuts

[tardy ingot]

For raw videos its mainly speedrun videos

But guides, challenge runs n all ya

Hide and seek is starting again this weekend though.
And the gtfo bingo event that people can do whenever as a duo is up rn

[oak oxide]

TTbf his group was actually pretty decent at the game

[tardy ingot]

They did end up getting pretty ok ya

Far better than the average player

About the level of the average gtfo discord player or so

[little pilot]

kenny made sure they learned about scattergun

[tardy ingot]

i love how the first streamathon was a main reason that led spiff to use hammer

He genuinely believed spear was the best melee before that

[hard nexus]

It was pretty funny when it was released for a few days

Where u could move cam and multi kill

[digital mural]

😭

[tardy ingot]

technicalyl the time spear was at its best

[oak oxide]

genuine question. Is carbine and high caliber pistol a good combo? Because I have been enjoying it Hella on duo_mode and im praying its still good for vanilla

[digital mural]

yes

[hard nexus]

It's ok

[burnt inlet]

True duo you might experience some pains in harder levels but like viable

[thick stump]

does the duo_mode reduce enemies HP to half?

[burnt inlet]

I thought that was just them saying they’re duoing 😭

[digital mural]

no

just enemies and resources

[tardy ingot]

2 very solid A tier weapons that dont rly have any bad matchups into enemies

both are comparably easy to use and wont rly hurt you if you know what you are doing (the main things are for high cal: Can kill scouts on headshot (or back dmg), 4 shots to kill giants from front. Dont aim for head on anything that isnt a scout)

[oak oxide]

it reduces boss health nowadays too, which that i am upset about

[thick stump]

so enemy spawns are half?

[tardy ingot]

there is better options for both but you arent gonna feel the pain of it being bad or anything like that

[digital mural]

yes

[burnt inlet]

Wait so high cal is higher dmg than hel rifle into scouts backs?

[tardy ingot]

the thing is that halved enemy spawns arent actually balanced to half the player count

say 20 enemies for 4 players

or 5 enemies for 1 player

what is easier

[digital mural]

20 for 4 :3

[tardy ingot]

its clearly the 5 enemies for 1 player since there isnt any split attention or random double targetting

[burnt inlet]

20 for 4 imo lmao

[hard nexus]

20 for 4

[burnt inlet]

But we run hel weapons sooooo

[tardy ingot]

yea

[little pilot]

usually when u play as 4, in reality it isn't 4 people shooting a wave, it is 2 people max shooting while the 2 others scan or do other stuff

[tardy ingot]

and 5 enemies can get killed in 2 shots by 1 guy

[burnt inlet]

Ok fair enough ig

One against five can also melee

[tardy ingot]

It might be more appearant with smth like 4 giants vs 4 players and 1 giant vs 1 player

[hard nexus]

I don't have friends so it's 3 bots shooting and me doing scans 😭

[tardy ingot]

with 4 players theres a higher chance you get licked through gun fire (and/or overspend resources)

[burnt inlet]

Bots imo ain’t that bad when doing alarms

It’s just whenever you need to split up or whatever

Be quick

[hard nexus]

They are great

[burnt inlet]

That’s when it gets iffy

[hard nexus]

Only if you remove hel rifle from the equation methinks

[thick stump]

on specific missions they refuse to get into the team scan, that's the best

[digital mural]

its all Bishop's fault

[tardy ingot]

its simple

if you multiply the enemies and player count by the same number you are bound to run into moments where multiple players target the same thing. leaving smth else unconvered

its even worse if hp is reduced

cuz then you run into the fun of some weapons nuking shit even if they shouldnt

[hard nexus]

Like wrong turbine in 2b4

[oak oxide]

I find its not actually that bad, we still have decently low ammo economy

shrug

[tardy ingot]

reduced enemy hp makes some weapons incredibly overpowered. even moreso than vanilla stuff

[burnt inlet]

Eh I think they’re having fun regardless

[safe cradle]

More people also means more situations you can cover

[minor fractal]

They can do true duo afterwards as a hard mode.

[tardy ingot]

yea but if the amount of stuff is quartered there isnt anything to cover xD

[safe cradle]

No I mean

[ripe hamlet]

eva CONFIRMED full squad HARDER than true duo

geegee

[tardy ingot]

(well to a certain degree. 4 people will have an easier time into 1000 enemies than 1 into 250)

hence vanilla numbers

imagine a surge with a spawn cap of 6

like

surely

people see the point

[safe cradle]

I'd rather have to deal with 10 enemies with another player than 5 enemies alone because if those enemies are, for example, big flyer/fliers and hybrids/giants or shooter/striker combos and I've guns that dont cover well multiple of those, it's worse for me

[ripe hamlet]

instead of lowering number we should increase it

spawncap would be 80 for quad

thatll fix it

[tardy ingot]

what about 100. nice round number

[ripe hamlet]

real asf

suddenly r2e1 becomes hardest lvl in the game

[tardy ingot]

thats role diversity plus with those examples only the flyers would show up in even semi high amounts (those being 5-6)

a wave with a giant
would be 1 giant and 3 smalls

vs 2 giants and 16 smalls

(as a more normal vanilla wave)

[safe cradle]

Still, if I dont have a good combination to cover multiple types of enemies I'd be worse off

[tardy ingot]

wdym good combination

[safe cradle]

than with more enemies but I can divide the role/targets...

[tardy ingot]

you can kill giants with an mg

[safe cradle]

fringe but

[ripe hamlet]

well you just get hel rifle and youll be fine 99% of the time no?

[tardy ingot]

if theres only 3 smalls

it doesnt rly matter

or high cal

shotgun

[safe cradle]

fliers and I've HEL PP/Veruta

[tardy ingot]

combat shotty

[safe cradle]

is a pain in the ass

[tardy ingot]

why are you picking hel pp veruta

if you are solo

into waves of 5

though funnily enough with most enemies hp halved those guns MELT

[safe cradle]

I guess I could pick up Sawn off/HEL Rifle and cover most cases

but come on

[tardy ingot]

even with sniper

you 1 shot the giant

and any main kills the 3 smalls

[safe cradle]

I think you get what I meant

[ripe hamlet]

you will use sawed off hel rifle and you will like it

[safe cradle]

I mean, Personally, I think that #gtfo-related-questions message

Now, for how personal that take might be

I didnt sell it as a universal truth

heck

[minor fractal]

I think there's an argument that you can afford to be less specialized the fewer enemies there are.

[safe cradle]

I feel like if I said I liked the color blue I'd get an execution squad

[tardy ingot]

solo only rly becomes harder if theres specific enemies that arent designed for solo combat or take up way more attention (snatcher, kraken, tank/mom etc)

[ripe hamlet]

mod this man like colour blue take him to the back and get him

[tardy ingot]

not purple?
get the sniper rdy

[safe cradle]

My argument certanly comes from the nowadays fringe consideration of "I dont know what I'll have against me"

[tardy ingot]

Imo look at it like this

tutorial alarm
vs
r1a1 class 2 alarm (no mines for both obv)

in the r1a1 class 2 you are way more likely to take chip dmg

[safe cradle]

which, granted, isn't realistic due to well, the game being mapped and known

[tardy ingot]

people underestimate how few enemies there are if you only have 25% of em

zones are near empty

alarms are super super tame

the only weird parts are boss fights

since those rly dont work well. even with the reduced hp for solos

(looking at non experienced players for that)

[ripe hamlet]

game do be playing a lot differently when the enemy-to-player ratio changes

[tardy ingot]

duo mode also kinda removes the boss issue
so the 50% reduced spawns reduce the impact of most of the game by a lot

[ripe hamlet]

i basically only play true duo and when i try doing quad it feels extremely different

50% reduced spawn duo would be a cake walk

[tardy ingot]

a fun thing the change in spawn cap and spawns does is that mines lose A TON of value

and sentries become so much better

2 burst sentries clear like 90% of all things in a level

[ripe hamlet]

2 burst sentries already almost solo normal alarm wave

[tardy ingot]

I do love the look of a 6 spawn cap surge tho

thats just the tutorial alarm xD

[tardy ingot]

they thin them out quite well ya

[ripe hamlet]

6 spawn cap surge is just those 10s extract error

[normal granite]

I want a mod that just multiplies spawn cap by 4 for every level

Imagine r2e1 surges with 60 enemies

[fathom ice]

100*

[normal granite]

Right

Im braindead atm

1am

Where the hell did i get 60 from

[normal granite]

I think this

6x10

[minor fractal]

This is quite easy to set up

Just use ConfigurableGlobalWaveSettings

To make it like vanilla, disable boss and set cooldown to 1.0

[ripe hamlet]

beating r2e1 with 100 spawncap

[vestal crest]

I feel kinda dumb asking this but what are some good weapon combos for holding reactor in r4e1? I’m planning to basically hold solo with a bot

[upper ginkgo]

sawed off / hel gun / hel rifle

[burnt inlet]

sawed off hel rifle

or if you want it to be mroe fun hel gun

[vestal crest]

Wow that’s exactly what I was thinking lol

[burnt inlet]

but its gonna be a bit harder

[vestal crest]

I’m terrible with hel gun

[burnt inlet]

"what are some good wea-" sawed off hel rifle an scatter

[vestal crest]

True

[prime musk]

have sentry cover the left platform close to reactor door
and play right side yourself
and it's free with hel rifle
(you sawed off spam when necessary for balance)

[upper ginkgo]

burst sentry is the goat

burst sentry will never let you down

[vestal crest]

Are there codes in the reactor that are worth holding for a bit? Does putting codes make the reactor waves worse?

[raven copper]

I mean if your solo holding you shouldn't really have to worry bout inputting anything tbh

unless im geeking

[burnt inlet]

putting codes in does make them worse

[upper ginkgo]

typical strat is to delay code 4 plug until code hunters come back into reactor with cell

but idk it's kinda whatever to deal with more wave 4 than wave 5

[prime musk]

wave 4 adds shadows. wave 6 adds 2 hybrids to every wave. all the other codes you plug whenever available

[uneven kiln]

me when I ask moth to use anything except these three weapons:

[burnt inlet]

im on hel gun wdym

an knife

an cfoam/sentry

[vestal crest]

Use bat trust

It’s obviously the best since it can stunlock mom

[burnt inlet]

yuuur

[tiny wyvern]

What's funny is usually when i use thesse weapons my performance jumps off a cliff

And when i use machine pis burst cannon I somehow work better

[uneven kiln]

i am scared

[tiny wyvern]

I was mostly joking dw
Mostly
I can't balance scatter ammo well, usually I waste it all on singular dudes

[tired fog]

I suppose scatter is quite useful the moment a big door breaks and all the baddies are piled up

[fathom ice]

You can use mines

[tired fog]

But then you need to feed the mine deployer, and use it in place of all the other things

[burnt inlet]

i mean mines are very efficient

[fathom ice]

Yeah or you feed your scattergun

[burnt inlet]

but yea scatter is a top 2 gun

[fathom ice]

Mines are better at that but scatter is not far behind

Tool vs gun

[vestal crest]

As in it’s the second best or it’s comparable to another top 2 weapon?

[burnt inlet]

so like its kinda even between the top 2 in my rankings cuz they fill diff roles

hel rifle vs scatter

wave clear vs boss clear

[vestal crest]

True

Aren’t both of those also decent at the other category as well?

As in hel rifle isn’t too bad for bosses and scatter isn’t too bad for wave clear?

I haven’t used either all that much

[burnt inlet]

pretty much but scatter depends on if ur host or not

host you have an easier time running wave clear scatter

and client is easier for boss clear

[vestal crest]

Interesting

Why is that?

[burnt inlet]

so clients when having shotguns (with pellets) can deal the entire shots worth of dmg to tumors/bodyparts whilst the remaining hosts pellets (after tumor/bodypart reaches max dmg) will continue on its path

[vestal crest]

Ooooh, so host can only do so much to tumors (until tumor pops), but client can get all pellets into 1 tumor?

[burnt inlet]

yep

and to body parts

and like

reg enemies work the same way

[vestal crest]

Ooh so host is better because pen

[burnt inlet]

well

not entirely

how far are you into the game?

[vestal crest]

r1-5 done except r4e1

[burnt inlet]

so moms and tanks

are client scatter angle

and "regular" (non tumor enemies) are host scatter angle

[vestal crest]

Is that why I have a hard time one cycling moms with scatter as host?

[prime musk]

yes it is very hard and inconsistent on host

[vestal crest]

Crazy

[prime musk]

you are almost always required to finish her off with your main

[vestal crest]

That makes so much sense

And is wave clear easier as host because the excess pellets don’t stop on dead enemies?

[prime musk]

ye

[vestal crest]

So in other words I shouldn’t host and scatter when possible

Especially with boss enemies

[burnt inlet]

pretty much since hel rifle/gun fills that role better

[prime musk]

if you're bringing scatter for mom and tank, it should be client holding it. otherwise, having it on host is better

[vestal crest]

So if we bring to r4e1 client should 100% have it

[prime musk]

yes

[vestal crest]

And host should bring hel rifle

[prime musk]

probably

[vestal crest]

Or it doesn’t matter as much

But I’m bio so it makes sense to bring for reactor

[burnt inlet]

host goes hel rifle or like burst canon or hel gun

[vestal crest]

I would do bc if I wasn’t wave clear

I love bc

[prime musk]

it doesn't matter much but given the bigger context of solo holding r4e1 reactor it is imperative you don't down ie you having host and best ping is very very good

bc is waveclear

it's the waveclear/bosskill hybrid choice

does both well but neither is insane

[civic wave]

you can really get away with anything, but it's easier to play what's strong

one of the first clears was using 2 shotguns

a lot of the clears around that time used revolver too

because hel gun wasn't back yet

[vestal crest]

I’d prefer whatever works best, so probably hel rifle

[civic wave]

and few people played hel rifle

[vestal crest]

Hel rifle just feels like it takes so long to kill hybrids

[prime musk]

for wave 6 in specific if you're playing sawed off hel rifle you're either
A) spawnpushing your shadows so you have space to hel rifle your hybrids or
B) not spawnpushing anything and baiting your hybrids through reactor door to sawed off spam them before shadow reach you

[vestal crest]

I can’t wait

I’m usually not wave clear so I guess we will see how I do

We gotta beat the tank error alarm first tho

We keep having issues finding places to fight tanks

[prime musk]

learn to doorfuck if you want the simplest answer

[vestal crest]

Doorfuck lmao

No idea what that is

Is it just playing on either side of a door?

[prime musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523134183237746706/1432145845167456387/2025-10-27_00-15-12.mp4?ex=69832a81&is=6981d901&hm=10cdeb15de43902f10f3fada8dcd73b0f163aff67c2eab557a56c3900e38056d&

doing this with client scatter is 100x easier so

[vestal crest]

Oh damn

Idk, feels a bit cheesy so we might only use that if we have a lot of issues

[prime musk]

it works on small doors as well but it's a lot harder

[vestal crest]

But we died in the surge alarm last time after 2 unnecessary tank kills so I’m assuming we shouldn’t need it (someone went afk for 10 minutes)

[prime musk]

ye it is quite cheesy
if you want a safe but slow way is to just wait for tank to scream and then have your 2 scatters approach and stagger chain him to death

[vestal crest]

That’s a really goofy Strat tho lol

[prime musk]

ye

every enemy kinda bricks out while attacking a door but the tank espescially is exploitable

[vestal crest]

Yeah I’ve noticed it before, didn’t know you could take advantage of it tho

[burnt inlet]

btw tell scatter to like wait with their second shot a bit

so tank gets even more staggered

helps out imo

[prime musk]

mmm

like scatter can take their time shooting their second round